Dear Juergen, This type seems to present what protocols allocates this label and how to allocate it. I can find that this label is allocated by RSVP-TE, if this type is 0x01 TE-MIDPT. In the case of 0x02 PW, it is allocated by target-LDP with VCID. But, in the case of 0x03 VPN, I don't sure what protocols allocates this label. It can apply several patterns, for example, there are L3VPN, PW, VPLS. I would like to eliminate such vague in this type, if it is not clear. If I receive 0x03 VPN, I cannot decide which MIB modules should be selected.

For example, if this type is TE-MIDPT, we can get related TE informations from MPLS-TE-MIB. If it is LDP, we can select MPLS-LSR-MIB. If it is PW, we can select MPLS-PW-MIB. If it is BGP, we can't select particular MIB. In that case, there is not particular MIB and it is only method that we search information from BGP full dump. I think that this type is more useful if this type is related with each MIB module. I felt that 0x03 VPN type is vague, in that point.

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All is good. >> >> Later I start a second exporter, but by some quirk (administrative >> typo, lightning strike, whatever) it's reporting eth-n as observation >> domain 0x000n+1. >> >> The data from each exporter is quite self-consistent, and it's not >> much of an issue if these exporters report to different collectors. >> >> However the data from the two exporters cannot be correctly >> reconciled when the data from the two collectors is eventually >> cross-referenced or when both exporters are reconfigured to export to >> just one collector. >> >> Clearly the observation domains must be consistent across all the >> exporters on the device, and not unique per exporer. >> >> This is because observation domains are a property of the system as a >> whole, related to the metering processes - and certainly not a >> property of each individual exporting process! > > Observation domains are not a property of an IPFIX device. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C6908F.29A46300-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 15 18:22:16 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr0EC-0004Vu-7I for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:16 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr0EA-0003x2-Qb for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:16 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr0BS-0003T8-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:19:26 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr0BQ-0003T3-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:19:24 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5FMJNC18698; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:19:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.21.97.218] (sjc-vpn1-474.cisco.com [10.21.97.218]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5FMJJC22929; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:19:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4491DCE6.9000905@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:19:18 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e472ca43d56132790a46d9eefd95f0a5 Hi Juergen, Thanks for this effort. In a nutshell, for the sake of finalizing the documents, I agree with your proposed changes. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] > * Observation Domain > > An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation Points for > which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. > For example, a router line card may be an observation domain if it > is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an Observation > Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the Collecting > Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX > Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per > Exporting Process. First of all, there is a discrepancy in the Observation Domain definitions of [IPFIX-ARCH] and [IPFIX-PROTO]. [IPFIX-ARCH] * Observation Domain An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation Points for which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. For example, a router line card may be an observation domain if it is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an Observation Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the Collecting Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per Exporting Process. [IPFIX-PROTO] Observation Domain An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation Points for which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. For example, a router line card may be an Observation Domain if it is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an Observation Point. In the IPFIX Message it generates, the Observation Domain includes its Observation Domain ID, which is unique per Exporting Process. That way, the Collecting Process can identify the specific Observation Domain from the Exporter that sends the IPFIX Messages. Every Observation Point is associated with an Observation Domain. > NEW [Just appended a sentence] > * Observation Domain > > An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation Points for > which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. > For example, a router line card may be an observation domain if it > is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an Observation > Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the Collecting > Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX > Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per > Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that an Observation Domain IDs > is also unique per IPFIX device. If you would add the sentence "It is RECOMMENDED that an Observation Domain IDs is also unique per IPFIX Device." to the [IPFIX-PROTO] definition, I would be fine. Then this definition should be used for both [IPFIX-PROTO] and [IPFIX-ARCH] > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering > Process and an Exporting Process. > NEW > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Exporting Process. It may host > further Exporting processes and arbitrary numbers of Observation > Points > and Metering Process. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH] > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. > Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a single > Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple Observation > Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of Observation > Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID within > the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple > Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be > transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That unique ID > is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. > NEW > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points. Each {Observation Point, > Metering Process} pair SHOULD belong to a single Observation Domain. > A single IPFIX Device may have multiple Observation Domains, each of > which contains a subset of the total set of Observation Points. > Each Observation Domain MUST carry a unique ID within the context of > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also > unique per IPFIX Device. > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.1] > Observation Domain ID > A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is > locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting > Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely identify > to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that > metered the Flows. Collecting Processes SHOULD use the > NEW [inserted one sentence] > Observation Domain ID > A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is > locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting > Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely identify > to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that > metered the Flows. It is RECOMMENDED that this identifier > is also unique per IPFIX Device. Collecting Processes > SHOULD use the > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 4.1 and section 4.2] > sourceId An identifier of an Observation Domain > NEW > observationDomainId An identifier of an Observation Domain Yes, already corrected in my temp version. > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.4.2.1] > exportingProcessId, sourceId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX > NEW > exportingProcessId, observationDomainId, etc. are also valid > scopes. The IPFIX Yes, already corrected in my temp version. > > OLD [in IPFIX-INFO] > 5.1.10. sourceId > > Description: > An identifier of an Observation Domain that is unique per > Exporting Process. Typically, this Information Element is used > for limiting the scope of other Information Elements. > NEW > 5.1.10. observationDomainId > > Description: > An identifier of an Observation Domain that is unique per > Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this identifier is > also unique per IPFIX device. Typically, this Information > Element is used for limiting the scope of other Information > Elements. > Yep. Regards, Benoit. > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 15 18:22:24 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr0EK-0004W8-M8 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:24 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr0EI-0003x6-7w for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:24 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr03L-0003LA-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:03 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr03K-0003Kw-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:02 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2006 00:10:59 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k5FMAwrq012935 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.31] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4128.cisco.com [10.61.80.31]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16155 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:10:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:10:57 +0100 From: Andrew Johnson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5d7a7e767f20255fce80fa0b77fb2433 Hello all Paul and I sat down in a room discussed this, and the complicated implications of it, for most of the day. We finally reached an agreement and I'd like to summarise our discussion here. Note that most of the arguments presented here have been presented by various people on the list. The question was a simple one, should the Observation Domain ID be considered unique per Exporting Process or per IPFIX Device. In the end we agreed that it should be unique per Exporting Process. CASE 1: Observation Domain Unique by Device =========================================== So let us consider the case of a Linux box running two seperate monitoring /exporting applications. Since the box is considered a single IPFIX device with multiple Metering and Exporting Processes, if the observation domain ID was unique per device, both Exporting Processes should export using the same Observation Domain ID. This will involve some administrative process to co-ordinate, such as: 1. Some magic process to co-ordinate all the Exporting Processes 2. Manual configuration 3. Some fixed scheme that works out an ID as some hash of some identifiers of the Observation Domain. Now some other IDs are considered to be unique within the observation domain. These IDs will now require to be administered via the same process so that they can be properly shared between Exporting Processes operating within the same Observation Domain. Alternatively we will have to redefine them to be unique per Exporting Process, but that will mean that if we have a distributed Exporting Process operating on several Line Cards (and each Line Card is considered a separate OD) then the EP will have to co-ordinate these IDs across Line Cards. Unless we redefine these IDs to be unique across Observation Domains and Exporting Processes, which is what we have today if the Observation Domain ID is considered unique per Exporting Process. So what do all these complications and changes gain us? We can match the Observation Domains of flows sent from the same device, but different EPs. This still isn't enough to match duplicate observations, we'll also need to match on all the key fields and perhaps some timestamps. Even then is it sufficient? Different sampling and filtering rules could result in different MPs having different observations at the same Observation Point! It is clear we are a long way from defining de-duplication rules for a general case. Furthermore, if the two Exporting Processes are exporting using different source IP addresses, then how can the collector know they are from the same device? Are we going to force all Exporting Processes on a device to export with the same IP address, or in the case of SCTP, set of IP addresses? In fact, perhaps two different IPFIX devices are being used to monitor the same information. Either through passive probes or some sort of remote monitoring application or perhaps because they are simply a seconds stage aggregation. Now changing the odId scope has gained us nothing and we still can't match the Observation Domains. CASE 2: Observation Domain Unique by Exporting Process ====================================================== Perhaps knowing something about the observation domain will be of use to your collector though. Would a better way to solve this be to have each collector export an option identifying information about each observation domain? Note that we already have: 149 sourceId -> observationDomainId 300 observationPointId Perhaps using these, and some way of uniquely identifying a device then we can build up a true picture of what the Observation Domain is and we can find matches on the Observation Domains regardless of whether the reports are from different Exporting Process or IPFIX devices. Aggregators will even be able to aggregate the information to identify the superset of Observation Points that make up their Observation Domain. OUR CONCLUSIONS =============== Changing the scope of the Observation Domain ID will add complexity to the protocol and generate other problems that will need to be solved. It won't really solve any problems as we can expect to want to match observation domains from different IPFIX devices. Identifying matching domains from different Exporting Processes may be useful, but there are other ways to do it that will scale to matching ODs across different IPFIX devices. The Observation Domain ID should remain unique within the Exporting Process. regards Andrew -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 15 18:45:19 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr0aV-0000mE-0R for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:45:19 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr0aT-0005Ma-NU for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:45:18 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr0XW-0004Kh-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:42:14 -0500 Received: from harpo.itss.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.190.13]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr0XV-0004Ka-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:42:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by harpo.itss.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D438335CC4; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:09 +1200 (NZST) Received: from harpo.itss.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtpc.itss.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06115-29; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:09 +1200 (NZST) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by harpo.itss.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C38E35E7C; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:09 +1200 (NZST) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5FMg9xD018387; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:09 +1200 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id k5FMg8dr018385; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:08 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from nevil-laptop.cs.auckland.ac.nz (nevil-laptop.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:08 +1200 Message-ID: <20060616104208.nuyr563c7bgkoo8g@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:42:08 +1200 From: Nevil Brownlee To: Benoit Claise Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents References: <4491DCE6.9000905@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4491DCE6.9000905@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Hi Benoit: Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the definition of * Observation Domain, to ... a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also unique per IPFIX Device. Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C690A3.4731E8C0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 03:25:31 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr8hv-0005qM-6a for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:25:31 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr8hs-0000uu-TI for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:25:31 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr8EN-0003bP-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:54:59 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr8EL-0003bI-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:54:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AB51BAC4D; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:43:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:54:49 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Benoit Claise , Andrew Johnson Cc: Paul Aitken , Gerhard Muenz , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals Message-ID: <644030C97D1E02DC3E964E21@[192.168.1.128]> In-Reply-To: <449176A8.2000402@cisco.com> References: <447C5FEE.6070700@cisco.com> <27523DAC-C962-4957-8B57-059D25DF6503@cert.org> <44898147.4000302@cisco.com> <448AB6F0.8050304@cisco.com> <448DF34A.6090409@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <6EA3D9A6D338F353A36B0E57@[10.1.1.104]> <448F376D.6010108@cisco.com> <448F68B6.4010406@cisco.com> <449176A8.2000402@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Hi Benoit, --On 15.06.2006 17:03 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > Andrew, >> >>> Imagine that I configure an exporter reporting on each interface such >>> that eth-n is observation domain 0x000n. All is good. >>> >>> Later I start a second exporter, but by some quirk (administrative >>> typo, lightning strike, whatever) it's reporting eth-n as observation >>> domain 0x000n+1. >>> >>> The data from each exporter is quite self-consistent, and it's not >>> much of an issue if these exporters report to different collectors. >>> >>> However the data from the two exporters cannot be correctly >>> reconciled when the data from the two collectors is eventually >>> cross-referenced or when both exporters are reconfigured to export to >>> just one collector. >>> >>> Clearly the observation domains must be consistent across all the >>> exporters on the device, and not unique per exporer. >>> >>> This is because observation domains are a property of the system as a >>> whole, related to the metering processes - and certainly not a >>> property of each individual exporting process! >> >> Observation domains are not a property of an IPFIX device. Traditionally >> we are used to the set of observation points to be within a single >> device, >> but there is no need to this to be the case. If I have a set of devices >> communicating to a concentrator device, the concentrator will have an >> ID which represents the superset of all the observation points it is >> reporting on. > This is the key question, as summarized in my initial email. Which IPFIX > definition do we choose? > Proposal 1: We keep the IPFIX device definition as defined right now, > and it doesn't cover the special devices from RFC3917. Protocol unchanged. > Proposal 2: We include all special cases in the IPFIX device definition, > and we have to change something in the protocol. Which changes do you think we would need to apply? Thanks, Juergen > Regards, Benoit. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 03:41:47 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr8xf-0005hF-Rj for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:41:47 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr8xe-0001sR-IG for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:41:47 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr8Jt-0003hU-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:00:41 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr8Js-0003hP-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:00:40 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5G70dm19820; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.65.164] (ams3-vpn-dhcp420.cisco.com [10.61.65.164]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5G70cC04809; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44925715.6010606@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:00:37 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: Andrew Johnson , Paul Aitken , Gerhard Muenz , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals References: <447C5FEE.6070700@cisco.com> <27523DAC-C962-4957-8B57-059D25DF6503@cert.org> <44898147.4000302@cisco.com> <448AB6F0.8050304@cisco.com> <448DF34A.6090409@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <6EA3D9A6D338F353A36B0E57@[10.1.1.104]><449176A8.2000402@cisco.com> <644030C97D1E02DC3E964E21@[192.168.1.128]> In-Reply-To: <644030C97D1E02DC3E964E21@[192.168.1.128]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Hi Juergen, > Hi Benoit, > > --On 15.06.2006 17:03 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Andrew, >>> >>>> Imagine that I configure an exporter reporting on each interface such >>>> that eth-n is observation domain 0x000n. All is good. >>>> >>>> Later I start a second exporter, but by some quirk (administrative >>>> typo, lightning strike, whatever) it's reporting eth-n as observation >>>> domain 0x000n+1. >>>> >>>> The data from each exporter is quite self-consistent, and it's not >>>> much of an issue if these exporters report to different collectors. >>>> >>>> However the data from the two exporters cannot be correctly >>>> reconciled when the data from the two collectors is eventually >>>> cross-referenced or when both exporters are reconfigured to export to >>>> just one collector. >>>> >>>> Clearly the observation domains must be consistent across all the >>>> exporters on the device, and not unique per exporer. >>>> >>>> This is because observation domains are a property of the system as a >>>> whole, related to the metering processes - and certainly not a >>>> property of each individual exporting process! >>> >>> Observation domains are not a property of an IPFIX device. >>> Traditionally >>> we are used to the set of observation points to be within a single >>> device, >>> but there is no need to this to be the case. If I have a set of >>> devices >>> communicating to a concentrator device, the concentrator will have an >>> ID which represents the superset of all the observation points it is >>> reporting on. >> This is the key question, as summarized in my initial email. Which IPFIX >> definition do we choose? >> Proposal 1: We keep the IPFIX device definition as defined right now, >> and it doesn't cover the special devices from RFC3917. Protocol >> unchanged. >> Proposal 2: We include all special cases in the IPFIX device >> definition, >> and we have to change something in the protocol. I was reading/answering the emails in sequence. Let's forget about this track (of changing the protocol) to focus on your last proposal http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html, which I support. Regards, Benoit. > > Which changes do you think we would need to apply? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > >> Regards, Benoit. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 03:58:39 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr9Dz-00085q-8w for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:58:39 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr90p-0001xE-Hw for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:45:03 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr90n-0006h4-Ss for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:45:03 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr8Gk-0003dC-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:57:26 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr8Gj-0003d7-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:57:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FEF1BAC4D; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:57:21 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Andrew Johnson , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals Message-ID: <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> In-Reply-To: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> References: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Hi Andrew, --On 15.06.2006 23:10 Uhr +0100 Andrew Johnson wrote: > [...] > The Observation Domain ID should remain unique within > the Exporting Process. Would you be fine with stating that it SHOULD be unique per IPFIX Device? Thanks, Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 04:55:11 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrA6h-0000Yy-Ip for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:55:11 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrA6g-0005La-9K for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:55:11 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr9xl-0000Ws-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:45:57 -0500 Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fr9xk-0000Wk-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:45:56 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5G8gNTO001062 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:42:24 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:45:53 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Thread-Index: AcaQzTA8RfS6jS7DQNyWsPg+80pxJgAU7pbw From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Nevil Brownlee" , "Benoit Claise" Cc: X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait for the next telechat which I son 7/6.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver=20 > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents >=20 >=20 > Hi Benoit: >=20 > Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of=20 > draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the=20 > definition of * Observation Domain, to >=20 > ... > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also > unique per IPFIX Device. >=20 > Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get=20 > new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts=20 > published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we=20 > could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland=20 > http://www.auckland.ac.nz >=20 >=20 > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help"=20 > in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say=20 > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >=20 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From jacobinefolmar@baystar.com Fri Jun 16 05:04:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrAFb-0006BU-80 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:04:23 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrAFZ-0005fs-V7 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:04:23 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrA6n-0000zA-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:55:17 -0500 Received: from baystar.com (cm218-252-108-141.hkcable.com.hk [218.252.108.141]) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k5G8tDu4009003 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:55:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c69122$970635c0$3493a8c0@tqx21> Reply-To: "Jacobine Folmar" From: "Jacobine Folmar" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: test fifoi Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:55:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C690E7.EAA75DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C690E7.EAA75DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 R w ef g ina d nce $ 20 t 0 , 0 o 00 for $ 82 g 5 / mon p th =20 These R a ate b s W v on' j t L v ast Forever ,=20 Re d fi o nan p ce T q oda d y and S s av y e =20 =20 _____ =20 passages they had come through. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C690E7.EAA75DC0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 06:11:25 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrBIT-0000tu-DM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:11:25 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrBIS-0001hb-4n for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:11:25 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrB8N-0004M3-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:00:59 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrB8M-0004Ly-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:00:58 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2006 12:00:56 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k5GA0trq007324; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:00:55 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.31] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4128.cisco.com [10.61.80.31]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04530; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:00:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44928156.3090505@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:00:54 +0100 From: Andrew Johnson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals References: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> In-Reply-To: <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Juergen Quittek wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > --On 15.06.2006 23:10 Uhr +0100 Andrew Johnson wrote: >> > > [...] > >> The Observation Domain ID should remain unique within >> the Exporting Process. > > Would you be fine with stating that it SHOULD be unique per IPFIX Device? I don't think this change adds anything to the protocol, especially as a collector cannot rely on the IPFIX device implementing this recommendation. In other words, is anyone on the list still insisting on the change? I would prefer to not have the change, however if it is wanted I don't object. Andrew -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 07:28:31 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrCV5-0006Qh-75 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:28:31 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrCV2-0004ph-N6 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:28:31 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrCM2-0001ew-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:19:10 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrCM0-0001er-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FB81BAC4D for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:19:01 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals Message-ID: <30445D7687417D56F55CFEF8@[10.1.1.104]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 17e5edc4dfd335965c1d21372171c01c Dear all, I posted a list of changes to the documents as a proposal for a compromise solution for the long discussion on observation domain ID uniqueness per exporting versus uniqueness per IPFIX device. Now it seems that we are close to an agreement on uniqueness per exporting process, which is in line with the current protocol and info model drafts. In case the WG agrees on that, here is the alternative (and shorter) list of changes to be applied: OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] * IPFIX Device An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering Process and an Exporting Process. NEW * IPFIX Device An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Exporting Process. It may host further Exporting processes and arbitrary numbers of Observation Points and Metering Process. OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH] 5.4. Observation Domain The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a single Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple Observation Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of Observation Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID within the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That unique ID is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. NEW 5.4. Observation Domain The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single identity for a group of Observation Points. Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair SHOULD belong to a single Observation Domain. A single IPFIX Device may have multiple Observation Domains, each of which contains a subset of the total set of Observation Points. Each Observation Domain MUST carry a unique ID within the context of a single Exporting Process. OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 4.1 and section 4.2] sourceId An identifier of an Observation Domain NEW observationDomainId An identifier of an Observation Domain OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.4.2.1] exportingProcessId, sourceId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX NEW exportingProcessId, observationDomainId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX OLD [in IPFIX-INFO] 5.1.10. sourceId NEW 5.1.10. observationDomainId Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de --On 14.06.2006 17:28 Uhr +0200 Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, > > It seems to be difficult to come to an end with this discussion. > Therefore, I try another approach. > > Below please find a proposal that might be acceptable to > all of us. It is a rather detailed one already containing > already concrete suggestions for text changes in our the three > documents. > > Please comment. > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] > * Observation Domain > > An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation Points for > which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. > For example, a router line card may be an observation domain if it > is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an Observation > Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the Collecting > Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX > Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per > Exporting Process. > NEW [Just appended a sentence] > * Observation Domain > > An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation Points for > which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. > For example, a router line card may be an observation domain if it > is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an Observation > Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the Collecting > Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX > Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per > Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that an Observation Domain IDs > is also unique per IPFIX device. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering > Process and an Exporting Process. > NEW > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Exporting Process. It may host > further Exporting processes and arbitrary numbers of Observation Points > and Metering Process. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH] > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. > Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a single > Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple Observation > Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of Observation > Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID within > the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple > Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be > transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That unique ID > is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. > NEW > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points. Each {Observation Point, > Metering Process} pair SHOULD belong to a single Observation Domain. > A single IPFIX Device may have multiple Observation Domains, each of > which contains a subset of the total set of Observation Points. > Each Observation Domain MUST carry a unique ID within the context of > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also > unique per IPFIX Device. > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.1] > Observation Domain ID > A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is > locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting > Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely identify > to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that > metered the Flows. Collecting Processes SHOULD use the > NEW [inserted one sentence] > Observation Domain ID > A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is > locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting > Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely identify > to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that > metered the Flows. It is RECOMMENDED that this identifier > is also unique per IPFIX Device. Collecting Processes > SHOULD use the > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 4.1 and section 4.2] > sourceId An identifier of an Observation Domain > NEW > observationDomainId An identifier of an Observation Domain > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.4.2.1] > exportingProcessId, sourceId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX > NEW > exportingProcessId, observationDomainId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX > > OLD [in IPFIX-INFO] > 5.1.10. sourceId > > Description: > An identifier of an Observation Domain that is unique per > Exporting Process. Typically, this Information Element is used > for limiting the scope of other Information Elements. > NEW > 5.1.10. observationDomainId > > Description: > An identifier of an Observation Domain that is unique per > Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this identifier is > also unique per IPFIX device. Typically, this Information > Element is used for limiting the scope of other Information > Elements. > > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 10:16:20 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrF7U-0003XL-Fn for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:16:20 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrF7T-0000Gh-6N for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:16:20 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrEsK-00026b-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:00:40 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrEsJ-00026W-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:00:39 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5GE0cT17632; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.65.187] (ams3-vpn-dhcp443.cisco.com [10.61.65.187]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5GE0aC00292; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:00:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B983.90309@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:00:35 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Johnson CC: Juergen Quittek , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals References: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> <44928156.3090505@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <44928156.3090505@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Andrew Johnson wrote: > Juergen Quittek wrote: >> Hi Andrew, >> >> --On 15.06.2006 23:10 Uhr +0100 Andrew Johnson wrote: >>> >> >> [...] >> >>> The Observation Domain ID should remain unique within >>> the Exporting Process. >> >> Would you be fine with stating that it SHOULD be unique per IPFIX >> Device? > > I don't think this change adds anything to the protocol, especially > as a collector cannot rely on the IPFIX device implementing this > recommendation. > > In other words, is anyone on the list still insisting on the change? Yes, I insist. It would be more convenient for a router (I don't want to speak about the special devices) to assign the Observation Domain based on Line Card ID: one solution is the ENTITY-MIB to make sure it's unique. This is why I like the proposal from Juergen "It is RECOMMENDED that an Observation Domain IDs is also unique per IPFIX device. " Let's take this example: One sysadmin configures line card 1 with observation domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures line card 2 with the same observation domain Id 1. If each observation domain exports using its own exporting process with the identical source IP address, how would the collector differentiate the template IDs? [IPFIX-PROTO] says: Collecting Processes SHOULD use the combination of the Exporter (exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or exportingProcessId) and the Observation Domain ID field to separate different export streams originating from the same Exporting Process. If the Observation Domain Id is RECOMMENDED to be unique per device, ... - we don't have to deal with the notion of uniqueness per session (in this case 2 sessions) - we don't have the issue to clearly identify the Exporting Process on an IPFIX device with an exportingProcessId (in this case 2 exporting processes) as the management of this exportingProcessId is not described. - we don't have to describe in IPFIX what the Observation Domain is (in this case 2 different line card) ... in order to know that the flow records comes from two different line cards. BTW, the case of "One sysadmin configures line card 1 with observation domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures line card 2 with the same observation domain Id 1" would not be possible. Regards, Benoit. > > I would prefer to not have the change, however if it is wanted I > don't object. > > > Andrew > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 10:21:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFCI-00047N-Aq for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:21:18 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFCH-0000MQ-1V for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:21:18 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrEwV-0002LU-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:04:59 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrEwU-0002LP-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:04:58 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5GE4vq17995; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:04:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.65.187] (ams3-vpn-dhcp443.cisco.com [10.61.65.187]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5GE4uC04624; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:04:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492BA86.6080203@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:04:54 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals References: <30445D7687417D56F55CFEF8@[10.1.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <30445D7687417D56F55CFEF8@[10.1.1.104]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Juergen, > Dear all, > > I posted a list of changes to the documents as a proposal for > a compromise solution for the long discussion on observation > domain ID uniqueness per exporting versus uniqueness per IPFIX > device. > > Now it seems that we are close to an agreement on uniqueness > per exporting process, which is in line with the current > protocol and info model drafts. Note quite. See my previous email > > In case the WG agrees on that, here is the alternative (and > shorter) list of changes to be applied: Since you removed "It is RECOMMENDED that an Observation Domain IDs is also unique per IPFIX device.", then I favor your previous proposal http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html, which btw nobody objected. Regards, Benoit. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering > Process and an Exporting Process. > NEW > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Exporting Process. It may host > further Exporting processes and arbitrary numbers of Observation > Points > and Metering Process. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH] > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. > Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a single > Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple Observation > Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of Observation > Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID within > the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple > Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be > transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That unique ID > is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. > NEW > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points. Each {Observation Point, > Metering Process} pair SHOULD belong to a single Observation Domain. > A single IPFIX Device may have multiple Observation Domains, each of > which contains a subset of the total set of Observation Points. > Each Observation Domain MUST carry a unique ID within the context of > a single Exporting Process. > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 4.1 and section 4.2] > sourceId An identifier of an Observation Domain > NEW > observationDomainId An identifier of an Observation Domain > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.4.2.1] > exportingProcessId, sourceId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX > NEW > exportingProcessId, observationDomainId, etc. are also valid > scopes. The IPFIX > > OLD [in IPFIX-INFO] > 5.1.10. sourceId > NEW > 5.1.10. observationDomainId > > Thanks, > > Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 10:35:56 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFQS-0001RH-EV for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFQR-0002PT-4I for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrFCh-0003cW-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:21:43 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrFCg-0003bt-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:21:42 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2006 16:21:42 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k5GELerq023397; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:21:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [144.254.153.27] (dhcp-144-254-153-27.cisco.com [144.254.153.27]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03697; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:21:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4492BE73.3050409@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:21:39 +0100 From: Andrew Johnson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise CC: Juergen Quittek , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals References: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> <44928156.3090505@cisco.com> <4492B983.90309@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4492B983.90309@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Hi Benoit I recognise that having the observation domain unique per device is a useful convention and by all means we can recommend it. I think below you have highlighted a large problem. I will deal with this in a separate mail with a change of subject. Then the rest of the mailing list might read it :). Andrew >> In other words, is anyone on the list still insisting on the change? > Yes, I insist. > > It would be more convenient for a router (I don't want to speak about > the special devices) to assign the Observation Domain based on Line Card > ID: one solution is the ENTITY-MIB to make sure it's unique. > This is why I like the proposal from Juergen "It is RECOMMENDED that an > Observation Domain IDs is also unique per IPFIX device. " > > Let's take this example: One sysadmin configures line card 1 with > observation domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures line card 2 > with the same observation domain Id 1. If each observation domain > exports using its own exporting process with the identical source IP > address, how would the collector differentiate the template IDs? > [IPFIX-PROTO] says: > > Collecting Processes SHOULD use the combination of > the Exporter (exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or > exportingProcessId) and the Observation Domain ID field to > separate different export streams originating from the same > Exporting Process. > > If the Observation Domain Id is RECOMMENDED to be unique per device, ... > - we don't have to deal with the notion of uniqueness per session (in > this case 2 sessions) > - we don't have the issue to clearly identify the Exporting Process > on an IPFIX device with an exportingProcessId (in this case 2 exporting > processes) as the management of this exportingProcessId is not described. > - we don't have to describe in IPFIX what the Observation Domain is > (in this case 2 different line card) > ... in order to know that the flow records comes from two different line > cards. > BTW, the case of "One sysadmin configures line card 1 with observation > domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures line card 2 with the same > observation domain Id 1" would not be possible. > > Regards, Benoit. >> >> I would prefer to not have the change, however if it is wanted I >> don't object. >> >> >> Andrew >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >> message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 10:38:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFSk-0002fu-Dw for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:38:18 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFSi-0002Ti-Rn for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:38:18 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrFHL-0004Jr-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:26:31 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrFHK-0004Jm-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:26:30 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.20) with ESMTP id k5GEQS3G024683 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:26:28 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id k5GEQJXd024671 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:26:19 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id k5GEQFLL024666; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.238.222] (vpn-10-25-4-16.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.16]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.60) with ESMTP id k5GEQEO9000364; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:26:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <30445D7687417D56F55CFEF8@[10.1.1.104]> References: <30445D7687417D56F55CFEF8@[10.1.1.104]> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2-362078393" Message-Id: Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness - summary and proposals Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:26:09 -0400 To: Juergen Quittek X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.000005 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ba0ec39a747b7612d6a8ae66d1a873c This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2-362078393 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Juergen, These changes look good. And now for the related problem: Are we planning on keeping the Observation Domain ID header field definition in 3.1 (page 13 of -21) as-is? Either this or the Template ID definition in 3.4.1 (page 18 of -21) must change; else Templates are scoped within Observation Domains are scoped within (one of exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, exporterProcessId), which are not guaranteed to be available to the Collecting Process (i.e. exporterProcessId is not present in the message header, addresses are not unique over SCTP) without explicit export, which requires a template. I would propose changing the Template ID definition to read as follows: OLD Template ID Each of the newly generated Template Records is given a unique Template ID. This uniqueness is local to the Observation Domain that generated the Template ID. Template IDs 0-255 are reserved for Template Sets, Options Template Sets, and other reserved Sets yet to be created. Template IDs of Data Sets are numbered from 256 to 65535. There are no constraints regarding the order of the Template ID allocation. NEW Template ID Each Template Record is given a unique Template ID by the Exporting Process. This uniqueness is local to the session in which the template is transmitted (e.g., the TCP connection or the SCTP association). Template IDs are managed and reused as in sections 8, 10.3.6, and 10.4.2.2 of this document. Template IDs 0-255 are reserved for Template Sets, Options Template Sets, and other reserved Sets yet to be created. Template IDs of Data Sets are numbered from 256 to 65535. There are no constraints regarding the order of the Template ID allocation. [Note that I have not yet reviewed the language in the referenced sections to ensure congruence with this change; I will volunteer to do so if required, and if the WG consensus is to go with this.] The primary negative impact of this change is that templateIDs have no meaning outside their use in the transport protocol, and can no longer be abused as generic scope. With commonPropertiesId now available with 2^64 codepoints, this is not, I think, a significant drawback. Regards, Brian On Jun 16, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, > > I posted a list of changes to the documents as a proposal for > a compromise solution for the long discussion on observation > domain ID uniqueness per exporting versus uniqueness per IPFIX > device. > > Now it seems that we are close to an agreement on uniqueness > per exporting process, which is in line with the current > protocol and info model drafts. > > In case the WG agrees on that, here is the alternative (and > shorter) list of changes to be applied: > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering > Process and an Exporting Process. > NEW > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Exporting Process. It may > host > further Exporting processes and arbitrary numbers of > Observation Points > and Metering Process. > > OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH] > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. > Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a single > Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple Observation > Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of Observation > Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID within > the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple > Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be > transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That > unique ID > is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. > NEW > 5.4. Observation Domain > > The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single > identity for a group of Observation Points. Each {Observation Point, > Metering Process} pair SHOULD belong to a single Observation Domain. > A single IPFIX Device may have multiple Observation Domains, each of > which contains a subset of the total set of Observation Points. > Each Observation Domain MUST carry a unique ID within the context of > a single Exporting Process. > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 4.1 and section 4.2] > sourceId An identifier of an Observation Domain > NEW > observationDomainId An identifier of an Observation Domain > > OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.4.2.1] > exportingProcessId, sourceId, etc. are also valid scopes. The IPFIX > NEW > exportingProcessId, observationDomainId, etc. are also valid > scopes. The IPFIX > > OLD [in IPFIX-INFO] > 5.1.10. sourceId > NEW > 5.1.10. observationDomainId > > Thanks, > > Juergen > -- > Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 > 4342-115 > NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 > 4342-155 > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http:// > www.netlab.nec.de > > > > --On 14.06.2006 17:28 Uhr +0200 Juergen Quittek wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> It seems to be difficult to come to an end with this discussion. >> Therefore, I try another approach. >> >> Below please find a proposal that might be acceptable to >> all of us. It is a rather detailed one already containing >> already concrete suggestions for text changes in our the three >> documents. >> >> Please comment. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Juergen >> >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] >> * Observation Domain >> >> An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation >> Points for >> which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. >> For example, a router line card may be an observation domain >> if it >> is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an >> Observation >> Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the >> Collecting >> Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX >> Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per >> Exporting Process. >> NEW [Just appended a sentence] >> * Observation Domain >> >> An Observation Domain is the largest set of Observation >> Points for >> which Flow information can be aggregated by a Metering Process. >> For example, a router line card may be an observation domain >> if it >> is composed of several interfaces, each of which is an >> Observation >> Point. Each Observation Domain presents itself to the >> Collecting >> Process using an Observation Domain ID to identify the IPFIX >> Messages it generates. Observation Domain IDs are unique per >> Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that an Observation >> Domain IDs >> is also unique per IPFIX device. >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH and IPFIX-PROTO] >> * IPFIX Device >> >> An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a >> Metering >> Process and an Exporting Process. >> NEW >> * IPFIX Device >> >> An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Exporting Process. It >> may host >> further Exporting processes and arbitrary numbers of >> Observation Points >> and Metering Process. >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-ARCH] >> 5.4. Observation Domain >> >> The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single >> identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. >> Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a >> single >> Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple >> Observation >> Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of >> Observation >> Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID >> within >> the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple >> Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be >> transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That >> unique ID >> is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. >> NEW >> 5.4. Observation Domain >> >> The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single >> identity for a group of Observation Points. Each {Observation >> Point, >> Metering Process} pair SHOULD belong to a single Observation >> Domain. >> A single IPFIX Device may have multiple Observation Domains, >> each of >> which contains a subset of the total set of Observation Points. >> Each Observation Domain MUST carry a unique ID within the >> context of >> a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is >> also >> unique per IPFIX Device. >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.1] >> Observation Domain ID >> A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is >> locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting >> Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely >> identify >> to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that >> metered the Flows. Collecting Processes SHOULD use the >> NEW [inserted one sentence] >> Observation Domain ID >> A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is >> locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting >> Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely >> identify >> to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that >> metered the Flows. It is RECOMMENDED that this identifier >> is also unique per IPFIX Device. Collecting Processes >> SHOULD use the >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 4.1 and section 4.2] >> sourceId An identifier of an Observation >> Domain >> NEW >> observationDomainId An identifier of an Observation >> Domain >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-PROTO section 3.4.2.1] >> exportingProcessId, sourceId, etc. are also valid scopes. The >> IPFIX >> NEW >> exportingProcessId, observationDomainId, etc. are also valid >> scopes. The IPFIX >> >> OLD [in IPFIX-INFO] >> 5.1.10. sourceId >> >> Description: >> An identifier of an Observation Domain that is unique per >> Exporting Process. Typically, this Information Element is used >> for limiting the scope of other Information Elements. >> NEW >> 5.1.10. observationDomainId >> >> Description: >> An identifier of an Observation Domain that is unique per >> Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this identifier is >> also unique per IPFIX device. 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References: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> <44928156.3090505@cisco.com> <4492B983.90309@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4492B983.90309@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 Benoit Claise wrote: > Let's take this example: One sysadmin configures line card 1 with > observation domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures line card 2 > with the same observation domain Id 1. If each observation domain > exports using its own exporting process with the identical source IP > address, how would the collector differentiate the template IDs? OK, so let's assume that your two processes are exporting using the same IP address, however since they are different processes they will use a different UDP source port. Let's also consider a second example at the same time. Imagine a second exporting process on line card 1. It will export for the same observation domain (coincidently or because we have used the recommendation). Again, these processes are exporting using the same source IP address, but different UDP source ports. > [IPFIX-PROTO] says: > > Collecting Processes SHOULD use the combination of > the Exporter (exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or > exportingProcessId) and the Observation Domain ID field to > separate different export streams originating from the same > Exporting Process. OK, so in your example, the two processes have the same IP address and the same odIds. The collector can't tell the difference, which is bad! Your proposal of odIds which are unique per device solves this issue by giving your two processes different odIds. Great, but in my example the two processes are operating from the same OD. The collector still can't differentiate between them. The problem is that the IP address alone is not sufficient to differentiate between Exporting Processes. For that to work we would have to insist that each Exporting Process in a device MUST export with a unique IP address. I think that a collector must also use the source port from the transport protocol to differentiate between Exporting Processes. Brian has conveniently highlighted another problem. SCTP allows a connection to be maintained across a set of IP addresses. SCTP will send the complete set of IP addresses currently in use no matter which IP address it is using at the moment. So the collecting process will have to be a bit cleverer at identifying that the IP address of an Exporting Process is from the set of IP addresses it could be using. regards Andrew > If the Observation Domain Id is RECOMMENDED to be unique per device, ... > - we don't have to deal with the notion of uniqueness per session (in > this case 2 sessions) > - we don't have the issue to clearly identify the Exporting Process > on an IPFIX device with an exportingProcessId (in this case 2 exporting > processes) as the management of this exportingProcessId is not described. > - we don't have to describe in IPFIX what the Observation Domain is > (in this case 2 different line card) > ... in order to know that the flow records comes from two different line > cards. > BTW, the case of "One sysadmin configures line card 1 with observation > domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures line card 2 with the same > observation domain Id 1" would not be possible. > > Regards, Benoit. >> >> I would prefer to not have the change, however if it is wanted I >> don't object. >> >> >> Andrew >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >> message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From brown_4_bbc@yahoo.co.jp Fri Jun 16 11:10:51 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFyF-00061c-FL for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:10:51 -0400 Received: from [221.122.157.65] (helo=megatron.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFyD-0004Yn-PE for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:10:51 -0400 To: From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?cXFx?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCIXk1Lkp9JEAkMSRLIXkbKEI=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 $B$"$J$?$K$*2q$$$7$?$$$H$$$&=w@-$+$iO"Mm$,Mh$F$*$j$^$9!*(B 1000$B?M$K0l?M$N40A4(BVIP$BBT6x$G$N$4>7BT$H$J$j$^$9$N$G5.J}$@$1$N8fM%BT$H$J$j$^$9!*(B $B7n(B1$B!A(B3$B2s$N%G!<%H$G7n(B30$B$N5U%5%]$,:GDc8B$N%i%$%s$J$N$G!"(B $B=w@-$K$h$C$F$O$=$l0J>e$N5U%5%]$,4|BT$G$-$^$9$h(B(o^-') $B!!(B $B!!(B $B!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y!y(B $B$5$i$K!"??7u$J8r:]$r4uK>$5$l$kJ}$N$?$a$K!"L5NA$G5.J}$N$*=;$^(B $B$$$N6a$/$N=w@-%;%l%V$rL5NA$G8!:w$9$k?7$7$$$4>R2p%5!<%S%9$rDs(B $B6!$$$?$7$^$9!#(B $B$5$"!"H`=w$r$5$=$C$F!"?M@8$N>!$AAH$_$K$J$j$^$7$g$&!#(B $B$^$H$^$C$?$*6b$,M_$7$$5.J}!"?M@8$N%Q!<%H%J!<$,M_$7$$5.J}!"R2p$7$^$9!#(B $B!Z=w@->R2p![(B $B"#??H~"M(Bhttp://rrnj.com?mami $B"#(B28$B:P(B $BI>!'%9%?%$%kH472$N$+$o$$$$%-%e!<%H$J=w@-!#$O$_=P$7$?B@$b$b!"$*?,$H9x$K$T$C$?$j$N%[%C%H%Q%s%D%U%!%C%7%g%s$O7]=QIJ$G$9!#O"Mm$7$F$/$l$?$iH`=w$N4i$H?-=L$N$"$k%[%C%H%Q%s%D$K$*?,$N%i%$%s$,%/%C%-%j$Ny%^%s%7%g%s$K=;$s$G$$$^$9!#;E;v$@$1$N(B $BI>!'#F%+%C%W!#%-%e!<%H$5$HBg?M$NJ70O5$$N=w@-!#%m%s%0$NH1$H9x$N$/$S$l$H%R%C%W%i%$%s$O?'5$H472!*G/<}(B1500$BK|1_(B $B!X%9%?%$%k$,$$$$$M$C$F8@$o$l$^$9!#FC$K%R%C%W%i%$%s$H%_%K%9%+!<%H;Q$K<+?.$,$"$j$^$9!De$2$F$$$?$i!"6a$/$G8+$F$$$?CfG/$N$*$8MM$,;d$N%H%l!<%K%s%0%9%Q%C%D$rM_$7$$$HGw$k$N$G!";EJ}$J$$$+$i:9$7>e$2$A$c$$$^$7$?!#$"$J$?$H@e$r$+$i$^$;$F;d$NB)$rSL$$$G$/$l$^$;$s$+!)$=$7$FBC1U$r0{$_$"$$$^$7$g$&!#$<$R!"5.J}$HH)$HH)$r=E$M9g$o$;$?$$$N$G!"$*JV;v$/$@$5$$$M!#!Y(B $B"#fF;R"M(Bhttp://rrnj.com?punch $B"#(B30$BBe(B $BI>!'$4.$5L\$N#T%P%C%/$O$$$F$$$k$s$@$1$I!"CQ$:$+$7$$OC$@$1$I!"EEe$2$F$/$@$5$$!#$=$l$,$9$4$/5$;}$A$,$$$$$s$G$9!#%9%?%$%k$@$C$F<+?.$,$"$k$7!"5.J}$r4n$P$;$k<+?.$O$"$j$^$9!#(B $B;d$^$@$^$@=w$G$$$?$$$s$G$9!D;I7c$rM?$($F$/$@$5$$!#$*4j$$$7$^$9!#!Y(B $B"($=$NB>!"B?$/$N%j%C%A$J=w@-$r5.J}$K>R2p$7$^$9!#(B $B"($*Ni$K4X$7$F$O!":GDcJs>)6b0l2s(B20$BK|0J>eJ]>Z$7$^$9$N$G!";YJ'$$J}K!$OH`=w$i$H8r>D$7$F$/$@$5$$!#(B $B"($J$*!"5.J}$+$i$N%a!<%k$,L5$$>l9g$O!"B>$NJ}$X$4>R2p$9$k$3$H$K$J$k$+$bCN$l$J$$$N$G!"$J$k$Y$/Aa$a$N%a!<%kAw?.$r$*4j$$$7$^$9!#(B $B40A4(BVIP$B>7BT>u$,FO$$$?$"$J$?$@$1$,F~$l$kF~$j8}$+$i$*F~$j2<$5$$!#(B $BCm!K$4MxMQ$N:]$K$O%^%J!<$H%b%i%k$r To: Subject: Need a{} Diploma? 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Telephone Us Instantly +1 (831) 302 66 63 24/7 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ alveolar aleph dactyl chastity amphetamine benelux centimeter adsorb From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 16 16:52:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrLIv-0001HA-8z for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:52:33 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrLIt-0001SS-SA for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:52:33 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrLFn-0001OV-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:49:19 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FrLFm-0001Mc-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:49:18 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5GKnCj13085; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.65.187] (ams3-vpn-dhcp443.cisco.com [10.61.65.187]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k5GKn8C29341; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:49:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44931943.3020205@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:49:07 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" CC: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000603090904000805080505" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a76bcd37b1c8a21336eb0a1ea6bbf48 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000603090904000805080505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, All, I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. Unless someone objects. Regards, Benoit. > 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you > can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait > for the next telechat which I son 7/6. > > Dan > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: majordomo listserver >> [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee >> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM >> To: Benoit Claise >> Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu >> Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents >> >> >> Hi Benoit: >> >> Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of >> draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the >> definition of * Observation Domain, to >> >> ... >> a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also >> unique per IPFIX Device. >> >> Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get >> new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts >> published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we >> could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------- >> This mail sent through University of Auckland >> http://www.auckland.ac.nz >> >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" >> in message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >> >> > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > --------------000603090904000805080505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, All,

I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html.
Unless someone objects.

Regards, Benoit.

6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you
can submit the updated  documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait
for the next telechat which I son 7/6. 

Dan

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Hi Benoit:

Sounds fine to me.  I'm working on a new revision of 
draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the 
definition of * Observation Domain, to

   ...
   a single Exporting Process.  It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also
   unique per IPFIX Device.

Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get 
new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts 
published by about next Tuesday (20 June)?  If we can, we 
could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ...

Cheers, Nevil

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= ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C692A4.19190600-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Sun Jun 18 15:04:43 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fs2Zf-0002qK-GN for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fs2Ze-00087N-3S for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fs29w-0006nT-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:38:08 -0500 Received: from wsip-24-234-204-2.lv.lv.cox.net ([24.234.204.2] helo=hilton-auth.coxhn.net) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fs29t-0006ku-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:38:07 -0500 Received: from [10.192.0.34] (helo=[10.192.0.34]) by hilton-auth.coxhn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 1Fs28k-0006G7-00; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: <44959D3C.5000701@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:36:44 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise CC: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" , Nevil Brownlee , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents References: <44931943.3020205@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <44931943.3020205@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050804070000030203000409" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97c820c82c68af374c4e382a80dc5017 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050804070000030203000409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, > Dan, All, > > I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in > http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days. Regards, Benoit. > Unless someone objects. > > Regards, Benoit. >> 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you >> can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait >> for the next telechat which I son 7/6. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: majordomo listserver >>> [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee >>> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM >>> To: Benoit Claise >>> Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu >>> Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents >>> >>> >>> Hi Benoit: >>> >>> Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of >>> draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the >>> definition of * Observation Domain, to >>> >>> ... >>> a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also >>> unique per IPFIX Device. >>> >>> Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get >>> new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts >>> published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we >>> could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... >>> >>> Cheers, Nevil >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------- >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------- >>> This mail sent through University of Auckland >>> http://www.auckland.ac.nz >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" >>> in message body >>> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >>> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >>> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >> > --------------050804070000030203000409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Dan, All,

I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html.

FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days.

Regards, Benoit.

Unless someone objects.

Regards, Benoit.

6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you
can submit the updated  documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait
for the next telechat which I son 7/6. 

Dan

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Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents

Hi Benoit:

Sounds fine to me.  I'm working on a new revision of 
draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the 
definition of * Observation Domain, to

   ...
   a single Exporting Process.  It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also
   unique per IPFIX Device.

Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get 
new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts 
published by about next Tuesday (20 June)?  If we can, we 
could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ...

Cheers, Nevil

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--------------050804070000030203000409-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From cebalimiham@jebonline.com Sun Jun 18 15:16:53 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fs2lR-00079d-GH for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:16:53 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fs2lQ-0002gJ-7A for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:16:53 -0400 Received: from [62.37.152.36] (helo=jebonline.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fs2MO-0007DA-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:51:01 -0500 X-RBL-Warning: (bl.spamcop.net) Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?62.37.152.36 Message-Id: From: cebalimiham@jebonline.com Bcc: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:51:01 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon Jun 19 02:15:34 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsD2s-0007pb-4N for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:15:34 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsCnk-0004yw-UB for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:00:01 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsCFf-0001YN-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:24:43 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsCFe-0001Xs-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:24:42 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5J5LpHl007549 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:21:52 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69360.A7D5E637" Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:24:36 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Thread-Index: AcaTBkfy+SSTtV9vQw6b1TeYCTg8mwAWc/wg From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Benoit Claise" Cc: "Nevil Brownlee" , X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cbb41f2dbf0f142369614756642005e3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69360.A7D5E637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the effort.=20 =20 Do you have the draft available so that it can be referred to before it shows up in the I-D repository?=20 =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 PM To: Benoit Claise Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Nevil Brownlee; ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents =09 =09 Dear all, =09 Dan, All, =09 I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. =09 FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days. =09 Regards, Benoit. =09 Unless someone objects. =09 Regards, Benoit. =09 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait for the next telechat which I son 7/6.=20 =09 Dan =09 =09 =20 =20 =09 =20 -----Original Message----- From: majordomo listserver=20 [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM To: Benoit Claise Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents =09 =09 Hi Benoit: =09 Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of=20 draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the=20 definition of * Observation Domain, to =09 ... a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also unique per IPFIX Device. =09 Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get=20 new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts=20 published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we=20 could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... =09 Cheers, Nevil =09 =09 -------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand =09 =09 -------------------------------------------------------------- --------- This mail sent through University of Auckland=20 http://www.auckland.ac.nz =09 =09 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help"=20 in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say=20 "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ =09 =20 =09 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69360.A7D5E637 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the effort. =

Do you have the draft available so that it can be referred to = before it=20 shows up in the I-D repository?

Dan

From: Benoit Claise = [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 PM
To: Benoit=20 Claise
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Nevil Brownlee;=20 ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: = [ipfix-protocol]=20 FInialising documents

Dear all,

Dan,=20 All,

I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed = changes in=20 http://ipfix.doit.w= isc.edu/archive/3366.html.

FYI,=20 done. The draft should appear in a few days.

Regards, = Benoit.

Unless = someone=20 objects.

Regards, Benoit.

6/20 is too late in order to catch the =
6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you
can submit the updated  documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait
for the next telechat which I son 7/6.=20

Dan


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Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents

Hi Benoit:

Sounds fine to me.  I'm working on a new revision of=20
draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the=20
definition of * Observation Domain, to

   ...
   a single Exporting Process.  It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also
   unique per IPFIX Device.

Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get=20
new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts=20
published by about next Tuesday (20 June)?  If we can, we=20
could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ...

Cheers, Nevil

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C69360.A7D5E637-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon Jun 19 03:12:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsDwC-0000Ih-AK for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:12:44 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsDvZ-0004hc-5L for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsDn6-0001oz-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:03:20 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsDn3-0001ou-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:03:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596211BAC4D; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:03:12 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Cc: Benoit Claise , Nevil Brownlee , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6640e3bbe8a4d70c4469bcdcbbf0921d Hi Dan, I just posted a revision of the IPFIX info model. It includes all changed requested at AD review and the results of all recent discussions on the mailing list. It looks like we have all docs ready at the same time. Please find it at Thanks, Juergen --On 19.06.2006 8:24 Uhr +0300 Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Thanks for the effort. > > Do you have the draft available so that it can be referred to before it shows up in the I-D repository? > > Dan > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 PM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Nevil Brownlee; ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > Dear all, > > > Dan, All, > > I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. > > FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > Unless someone objects. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > > 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you > can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait > for the next telechat which I son 7/6. > > Dan > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > Hi Benoit: > > Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of > draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the > definition of * Observation Domain, to > > ... > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also > unique per IPFIX Device. > > Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get > new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts > published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we > could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... > > Cheers, Nevil > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland > http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" > in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon Jun 19 03:35:26 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsEIA-0004Sg-Hw for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:35:26 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsEI9-0006PC-3W for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:35:26 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsE9F-00032L-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:26:13 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsE9E-00032G-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:26:12 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5J7NOh9032714 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:23:25 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:26:10 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Thread-Index: AcaTbnOFwrVLfjOYTOSpM8RtPly6uAAAE5CA From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Juergen Quittek" Cc: "Benoit Claise" , "Nevil Brownlee" , X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d Thanks to everybody for the effort. Bert is on vacation, and I still need to check that all comments were incorporated, but I believe it should be OK.=20 It is good indeed to have all three documents (architecture, protocol, info) ready for IESG evaluation at the same time. Because of the volume I would suggest that we do not rush to present them as late submissions to the IESG for this week call, but we plan for the 7/6 IESG telechat. It may take anyway a day or more to see those submissions announced, as today is the busy 00 drafts submission deadline and the people dealing with Internet-Drafts must be overloaded.=20 Dan =20 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Quittek [mailto:quittek@netlab.nec.de]=20 > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:03 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: Benoit Claise; Nevil Brownlee; ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents >=20 > Hi Dan, >=20 > I just posted a revision of the IPFIX info model. > It includes all changed requested at AD review and the=20 > results of all recent discussions on the mailing list. > It looks like we have all docs ready at the same time. >=20 > Please find it at > info-12.txt> >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Juergen >=20 >=20 > --On 19.06.2006 8:24 Uhr +0300 Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 > > > > Thanks for the effort. > > > > Do you have the draft available so that it can be referred=20 > to before it shows up in the I-D repository? > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 PM > > To: Benoit Claise > > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Nevil Brownlee;=20 > > ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > > Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Dan, All, > > > > I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed=20 > changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. > > > > FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days. > > > > Regards, Benoit. > > > > > > Unless someone objects. > > > > Regards, Benoit. > > > > > > > > 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat.=20 > Unless you=20 > > can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will=20 > need to wait=20 > > for the next telechat which I son 7/6. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: majordomo listserver > > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM > > To: Benoit Claise > > Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > > Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > > > > Hi Benoit: > > > > Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of=20 > > draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the definition of *=20 > > Observation Domain, to > > > > ... > > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this=20 > ID is also > > unique per IPFIX Device. > > > > Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get new=20 > > versions of the protocol and architecture drafts published by about=20 > > next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we could ask Dan to get=20 > them onto=20 > > the IESG telechat on 22 June ... > > > > Cheers, Nevil > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS > > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------- > > This mail sent through University of Auckland=20 > > http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > > > > > -- > > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" > > in message body > > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe=20 > > ipfix" in message body > > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say=20 > "help" in message body > > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe=20 > > ipfix" in message body > > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From twiggs@awos.com Mon Jun 19 03:55:30 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsEba-0005xK-6n for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:55:30 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsEbY-00086P-K9 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:55:30 -0400 Received: from [58.230.98.61] (helo=awos.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsEXH-000568-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:51:04 -0500 X-RBL-Warning: (bl.spamcop.net) Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?58.230.98.61 Message-Id: From: twiggs@awos.com Bcc: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:51:04 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon Jun 19 04:27:56 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsF6y-0004Dv-Bs for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:27:56 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsF6w-0002I9-Ns for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:27:56 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsEwS-00077U-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:17:04 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsEwR-00077P-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:17:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847F61BAC4D; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:16:59 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Benoit Claise Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Message-ID: <9020E6EFB91C2108ABF0B27C@[10.1.1.104]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c Dan, Please find all three documents at Juergen --On 19.06.2006 8:24 Uhr +0300 Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Thanks for the effort. > > Do you have the draft available so that it can be referred to before it shows up in the I-D repository? > > Dan > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 PM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Nevil Brownlee; ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > Dear all, > > > Dan, All, > > I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. > > FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > Unless someone objects. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > > 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you > can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait > for the next telechat which I son 7/6. > > Dan > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > Hi Benoit: > > Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of > draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the > definition of * Observation Domain, to > > ... > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also > unique per IPFIX Device. > > Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get > new versions of the protocol and architecture drafts > published by about next Tuesday (20 June)? If we can, we > could ask Dan to get them onto the IESG telechat on 22 June ... > > Cheers, Nevil > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITSS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland > http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" > in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon Jun 19 04:32:15 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsFB9-0005up-LJ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:32:15 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsFB8-0002n4-A1 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:32:15 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsF3X-0007HA-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:24:23 -0500 Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsF3W-0007H5-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:24:22 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5J8KcQX022889 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:20:39 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:24:20 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents Thread-Index: AcaTeMFjv/cqi9bDS0utaF52tnD1wwAANcnQ From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Juergen Quittek" , "Benoit Claise" Cc: "Nevil Brownlee" , X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6ba8aaf827dcb437101951262f69b3de Thanks. I am right now polling the IESG whether they would accept the three documents as late submissions for this week, or rather defer them for 7/6. This helps. Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Quittek [mailto:quittek@netlab.nec.de]=20 > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:17 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Benoit Claise > Cc: Nevil Brownlee; ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: RE: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents >=20 > Dan, >=20 > Please find all three documents at >=20 > Juergen --On 19.06.2006 8:24 Uhr +0300 Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Thanks for the effort. > > Do you have the draft available so that it can be referred to before it shows up in the I-D repository? > > Dan > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:37 PM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Nevil Brownlee;=20 > ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > Dear all, > > > Dan, All, > > I will submit the draft on Sunday, with the proposed changes in http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/3366.html. > > FYI, done. The draft should appear in a few days. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > Unless someone objects. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > > 6/20 is too late in order to catch the 6/22 IESG telechat. Unless you=20 > can submit the updated documents by Sunday 6/18, it will need to wait > for the next telechat which I son 7/6. > > Dan > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Nevil Brownlee > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:42 AM > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: [ipfix-protocol] FInialising documents > > > Hi Benoit: > > Sounds fine to me. I'm working on a new revision of=20 > draft-architecture now, I'll make the change to the definition of *=20 > Observation Domain, to > > ... > a single Exporting Process. It is RECOMMENDED that this ID is also > unique per IPFIX Device. > > Following up on an email I sent Benoit yesterday, can we get new=20 > versions of the protocol and architecture drafts published by about=20 > next Tuesday (20 June)? 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Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:58:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4497F0F9.4020304@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:58:33 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Johnson CC: Benoit Claise , Juergen Quittek , ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-protocol] Collectors cannot differentiate between Exporting Processes properly! References: <4491DAF1.4020200@cisco.com> <506BE0E841DACF34613747D4@[192.168.1.128]> <44928156.3090505@cisco.com> <4492B983.90309@cisco.com> <4492C45C.2080804@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4492C45C.2080804@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Andrew, > The problem is that the IP address alone is not sufficient to > differentiate between Exporting Processes. Yes, that's definitely a problem. > I think that a collector must also use the source port from the > transport protocol to differentiate between Exporting Processes. That would work. Can you propose some text for the drafts? -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue Jun 20 11:50:54 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsiVC-0004XN-9R for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:54 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsiVA-0008As-Tm for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:54 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsiRY-00078W-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:47:08 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FsiRX-00078R-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:47:07 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (unknown [195.37.70.133]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25CD1BAC4D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:35:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:47:01 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix] new version of the IPFIX information model Message-ID: <6AA5730EAA04A4F15B7DAC1A@[195.37.70.133]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Dear all, I submitted a new version of the IPFIX information model. Until it gets posted, please find it at . The new version includes all changes that were requested by the AD review. Also changes discussed recently on the mailing list are included. Furthermore, a lot of clarifications and minor changes have been applied. Please find a diff between the previous version -11 and the new version -12 at . 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This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. Title : Architecture for IP Flow Information Export Author(s) : G. Sadasivan, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-11.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2006-6-21 This memo defines the IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) architecture for the selective monitoring of IP flows, and for the export of measured IP flow information from an IPFIX device to a collector. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-11.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C69592.00FEF2F0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 22 04:09:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtKFL-0006fn-81 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:09:03 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtKFL-0003DJ-6Z for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:09:03 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtK5E-0007sa-3M for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:58:38 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtJzy-0006aU-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:53:10 -0500 Received: from tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.102]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtJzw-0006aP-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:53:08 -0500 Received: from vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.110]) by tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k5M7r4vB029697; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from mfs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (mfs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.112]) by vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k5M7r3vR027521; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.100]) by mfs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k5M7r2uE019531; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.69]) by nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k5M7r2K7014665; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5M7r1Nh010816; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from imm.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (imm0.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.151]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5M7r18u010813; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([129.60.80.96]) by imm.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7qxXF024785; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <449A4C62.1080608@lab.ntt.co.jp> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:53:06 +0900 From: Hitoshi Irino User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new version of the IPFIX information model References: <6AA5730EAA04A4F15B7DAC1A@[195.37.70.133]> In-Reply-To: <6AA5730EAA04A4F15B7DAC1A@[195.37.70.133]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Dear Juergen I (probably) found a mistake of the Draft. Section 5.4.11 is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, but ElementId 30 is destinationIPv6Mask in the table of Page 16. Correct IE is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, isn't it? regrads, Hitoshi Irino Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, > > I submitted a new version of the IPFIX information model. > Until it gets posted, please find it at > . > > The new version includes all changes that were requested > by the AD review. Also changes discussed recently on > the mailing list are included. Furthermore, a lot of > clarifications and minor changes have been applied. > > Please find a diff between the previous version -11 and > the new version -12 at > . > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message > body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > -- ---------------------------------------------- NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories Broadband Network Systems Project Service Edge Group Hitoshi Irino Email: irino.hitoshi@lab.ntt.co.jp Tel: +81-422-59-4403 Fax: +81-422-59-4549 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 22 04:57:26 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtL0A-0002I0-Lh for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:57:26 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtL09-0005xj-9h for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:57:26 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtKrc-0007iz-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:48:36 -0500 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtKrb-0007iu-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:48:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE5A11C for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:48:33 +0200 (MST) Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13170-01 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:48:26 +0200 (DFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8073115 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:48:25 +0200 (MST) Message-ID: <449A591D.2030504@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:47:25 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix] [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-00.txt] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f Hello, I submitted a -00 draft on IPFIX device configuration based on XML: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-00.txt As I understand, IPFIX configuration is currently not a working group topic, but maybe also other people in the IPFIX community consider this as an important topic that is worth being discussed. The proposed new charter includes work on an IPFIX MIB for reporting information and statistics, but not for configuration. It seems that the general trend in network management goes towards XML-based description of configuration data, independently from the ongoing discussion on the best transport protocol (Netconf, SOAP or whatever). One opinion that I heard at NOMS2006 was that having a common configuration data model is more important than having a common protocol. According to this, the data model presented in this draft is not specific to any protocol. The draft is a refinement of work accomplished in the European project Diadem Firewall where we decided to use the Netconf protocol for configuring monitoring probes. This approach was also presented in a poster at NOMS2006: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/fileadmin/RI/members/muenz/documents/using-netconf-short.pdf Best regards, Gerhard -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-00.txt Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:50:02 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : IPFIX Configuration Data Model Author(s) : G. Muenz Filename : draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-00.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2006-6-20 This document proposes a configuration data model for IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Devices based on Extensible Markup Language (XML). 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce at ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 22 08:42:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtOVl-0007Mo-7n for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:42:17 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtOIj-0008Tw-9p for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:28:50 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtOBx-0004cO-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:21:49 -0500 Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtOBw-0004cJ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:21:48 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5MCHpBp017152 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:17:52 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:21:46 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Thread-Index: AcaV9UwayRswx6y2SVuKo2LXNPVA0wAANu1Q From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Tanja Zseby" , Cc: "Bernard Aboba" , "Gray, Eric" X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 I would like to draw your attention that draft-08 is still in IESG LC until today. It would be preferable not to issue revised drafts while a document is in LC. You may expect comments on draft-08 until today COB (including mine :-)). Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver=20 > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Tanja Zseby > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:14 PM > To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Cc: Bernard Aboba; Gray, Eric > Subject: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > I submitted a new version of the applicability statement=20 > (attached). In order to address Bernard Abobas comments on=20 > the IPFIX limitations for billing, I incorporated a section=20 > on the reliability limitations of IPIFX and warned in related=20 > sections, that IPFIX is currently not able to support=20 > commercial-grade billing. I did not remove the AAA examples=20 > because I think that they are still useful and especially may=20 > be valuable if reliability extensions from Benoits draft are=20 > incorporated.=20 > Furthermore I tried to address all the comments from the=20 > Gen-ART review, did some re-wording and added a section on=20 > remote configuration in the limitations section. >=20 > Thanks to all that reviewed and commented the draft. >=20 > Regards, > Tanja >=20 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 22 08:42:53 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtOWL-0007sA-9o for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:42:53 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtOWJ-00018I-Up for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:42:53 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtOSF-00055L-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:38:39 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtOSE-00055G-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:38:39 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5MCZent014347 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:35:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [ipfix] RE: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ipfix-as) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:38:36 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ipfix-as) Thread-Index: AcaLVGnXAxP2SlK0S2ywtePRPylJSAKmSYwg From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: , Cc: X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Please find below my comments: 1. The orientation of the document seems to be very IPv6 centric. Yes, there is a 'IPFIX and IPv6' section, but it's very limited in scope, and then all examples in the text use IPv4 addresses for example. I suggest that at least a note is included in the 'IPFIX and IPv6' section mentioning that although examples use IPv4, all applicability statements apply in IPv6 networks. If there are any exceptions, these need to be mentioned, obviously.=20 2. The last but one paragraph in Section 2.4 (the one starting with 'Security incidents can become a threat ...' seems to belong more in the Security Considerations section, rather than being a security application applicability statement 3. Section 2.5: to 'The calculation of those QoS metrics requires per-packet processing.' it would be good to add '... and clock synchronization of multiple observation points'. 4. It is not clear why congestion awareness is considered to be an inter-domain issue and is mentioned in 2.6.=20 5. Typo in 3.2 s/addressd/addressed 6. Syntax : 'The TPM-MIB breaks out the APM-MIB transactions into sub-application level transaction' s/transaction/transactions/ 7. 'Again sub- application level transaction could be measured using IPFIX with=20 an appropriate flow definition and by combining the reporting of=20 both directions of the data transfer (for reporting bi- directional flow information see also section 4.5).' This sentence is broken in multiple ways. What is being measure? Maybe application level transaction performance? Or maybe we are talking about transactions? Then, what is the meaning of 'Again'? In the previous paragraphs the editors seem to be of opinion that IPFIX does not map well into APM MIB, here they suggest some kind of usage of IPFIX to map with into TPM MIB sub-transactions. =20 8. In Section 3.3 I would prefer to see a stronger statement that IPM metrics should be used to the possible extend, and wherever applicable - e.g. for measurements of delay, delay variation, packet loss, etc. RMON documents for example follow a similar strategy.=20 9. Question - was section 3.4 (and the whole document actually) reviewed with the AAA Doctors team?=20 10. Why is section 4.6 located under 'Limitations'?=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:45 AM > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to Informational=20 > RFC (draft-ietf-ipfix-as)=20 >=20 > The IESG has received a request from the IP Flow Information=20 > Export WG to consider the following document: >=20 > - 'IPFIX Applicability ' > as an Informational RFC >=20 > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and=20 > solicits final comments on this action. Please send any=20 > comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists=20 > by 2006-06-22. >=20 > The file can be obtained via > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-as-08.txt >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From nessmbh1@bonbon.net Thu Jun 22 10:26:20 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQ8S-0002Bj-VF for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:26:20 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQ8P-0000nl-MI for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:26:20 -0400 Received: from client-81-107-218-65.glfd.adsl.virgin.net ([81.107.218.65] helo=HOME) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtQ42-0007Mo-00; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:21:46 -0500 From: "Marie" To: Subject: Tired of being overweight? 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I'm halfway to my goal, Hoodia 920+ will get me the rest of the way ;) Jewel Sprague From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 22 11:00:43 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQfj-0001H4-IB for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:00:43 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQfh-0007Ec-GM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:00:43 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtQZA-00004x-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:53:56 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtQZA-00004q-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:53:56 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5MEonga028977 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:50:50 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix] RE: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ipfix-as) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:53:46 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix] RE: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ipfix-as) Thread-Index: AcaLVGnXAxP2SlK0S2ywtePRPylJSAKmSYwgAAd9OuA= From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" , , Cc: X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Please read 'very IPv4 centric' rather than 'very IPv6 centric' in the first paragraph.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver=20 > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:39 PM > To: iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org > Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: [ipfix] RE: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to=20 > Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ipfix-as)=20 >=20 > Please find below my comments: >=20 > 1. The orientation of the document seems to be very IPv6=20 > centric. Yes, there is a 'IPFIX and IPv6' section, but it's=20 > very limited in scope, and then all examples in the text use=20 > IPv4 addresses for example. I suggest that at least a note is=20 > included in the 'IPFIX and IPv6' section mentioning that=20 > although examples use IPv4, all applicability statements=20 > apply in IPv6 networks. If there are any exceptions, these=20 > need to be mentioned, obviously.=20 > 2. The last but one paragraph in Section 2.4 (the one=20 > starting with 'Security incidents can become a threat ...'=20 > seems to belong more in the Security Considerations section,=20 > rather than being a security application applicability=20 > statement 3. Section 2.5: to 'The calculation of those QoS=20 > metrics requires per-packet processing.' it would be good to=20 > add '... and clock synchronization of multiple observation points'. > 4. It is not clear why congestion awareness is considered to=20 > be an inter-domain issue and is mentioned in 2.6.=20 > 5. Typo in 3.2 s/addressd/addressed > 6. Syntax : 'The TPM-MIB breaks out the APM-MIB transactions=20 > into sub-application level transaction'=20 > s/transaction/transactions/ 7. 'Again sub- > application level transaction could be measured using IPFIX with=20 > an appropriate flow definition and by combining the reporting of=20 > both directions of the data transfer (for reporting bi- > directional flow information see also section 4.5).' > This sentence is broken in multiple ways. What is being=20 > measure? Maybe application level transaction performance? Or=20 > maybe we are talking about transactions? Then, what is the=20 > meaning of 'Again'? In the previous paragraphs the editors=20 > seem to be of opinion that IPFIX does not map well into APM=20 > MIB, here they suggest some kind of usage of IPFIX to map=20 > with into TPM MIB sub-transactions. =20 > 8. In Section 3.3 I would prefer to see a stronger statement=20 > that IPM metrics should be used to the possible extend, and=20 > wherever applicable - e.g. for measurements of delay, delay=20 > variation, packet loss, etc. RMON documents for example=20 > follow a similar strategy.=20 > 9. Question - was section 3.4 (and the whole document=20 > actually) reviewed with the AAA Doctors team?=20 > 10. Why is section 4.6 located under 'Limitations'?=20 >=20 > Dan >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:45 AM > > To: IETF-Announce > > Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > > Subject: Last Call: 'IPFIX Applicability' to Informational RFC=20 > > (draft-ietf-ipfix-as) > >=20 > > The IESG has received a request from the IP Flow=20 > Information Export WG=20 > > to consider the following document: > >=20 > > - 'IPFIX Applicability ' > > as an Informational RFC > >=20 > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,=20 > and solicits=20 > > final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the=20 > > iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-06-22. > >=20 > > The file can be obtained via > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-as-08.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > IETF-Announce mailing list > > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > >=20 >=20 > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help"=20 > in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say=20 > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >=20 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 22 13:57:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtTQM-00063l-Vi for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:57:02 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtOTb-0000k0-PD for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:40:03 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtOE0-0003jo-V1 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtO4H-0004Nz-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:13:53 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtO4E-0004Nu-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:13:50 -0500 Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id k5MCDWb05264; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:13:32 +0200 (MEST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C695F5.4C2C173E" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:13:40 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA11C7DA5@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Thread-Index: AcaV9UwayRswx6y2SVuKo2LXNPVA0w== From: "Tanja Zseby" To: Cc: "Bernard Aboba" , "Gray, Eric" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 53a1754727d2be1e1d13b7140e24f91c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C695F5.4C2C173E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I submitted a new version of the applicability statement (attached). In order to address Bernard Abobas comments on the IPFIX limitations for billing, I incorporated a section on the reliability limitations of IPIFX and warned in related sections, that IPFIX is currently not able to support commercial-grade billing. I did not remove the AAA examples because I think that they are still useful and especially may be valuable if reliability extensions from Benoits draft are incorporated.=20 Furthermore I tried to address all the comments from the Gen-ART review, did some re-wording and added a section on remote configuration in the limitations section. Thanks to all that reviewed and commented the draft. 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I will keep a record for the next revision. Thanks, Juergen --On 22.06.2006 16:53 Uhr +0900 Hitoshi Irino wrote: > Dear Juergen > > I (probably) found a mistake of the Draft. > Section 5.4.11 is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, but > ElementId 30 is destinationIPv6Mask in the table of Page 16. > Correct IE is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, isn't it? > > regrads, > Hitoshi Irino > > Juergen Quittek wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I submitted a new version of the IPFIX information model. >> Until it gets posted, please find it at >> . >> >> The new version includes all changes that were requested >> by the AD review. Also changes discussed recently on >> the mailing list are included. Furthermore, a lot of >> clarifications and minor changes have been applied. >> >> Please find a diff between the previous version -11 and >> the new version -12 at >> . >> >> Thanks, >> >> Juergen >> >> >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message >> body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >> > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------- > NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories > Broadband Network Systems Project > Service Edge Group > > Hitoshi Irino > Email: irino.hitoshi@lab.ntt.co.jp > Tel: +81-422-59-4403 Fax: +81-422-59-4549 > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 23 07:23:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ftjkn-0004y2-Lq for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:23:13 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ftjkl-0006bI-Cc for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:23:13 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtjhS-0003CJ-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:19:46 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtjhR-0003CE-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:19:45 -0500 Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id k5NBJKb24693; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:19:21 +0200 (MEST) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [ipfix] RE: IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:19:32 +0200 Message-ID: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA11C7E40@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Thread-Index: AcaWGdnEY09jXAdbTCCHvcxGUkPd+gAmduEw From: "Tanja Zseby" To: "Bernard Aboba" Cc: , "Gray, Eric" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Hi Bernard, o.k. I can substitute the term commercial-grade billing by usage-based billing in the next version. I need to make another version anyway in order to incorporate Dans (and others) comments :-) Thanks for your review and kind regards, Tanja > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba@internaut.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:35 PM > To: Tanja Zseby > Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Gray, Eric > Subject: Re: IPFIX-AS draft version 09 >=20 > I have read the -09 document, and I think it could be more clear.=20 >=20 > The term "usage-based accounting" is used along with a=20 > statement that IPFIX isn't sufficiently reliable for=20 > "commercial-grade billing". =20 >=20 > This is confusing because the issue is really "usage-based=20 > billing" not usage-based accounting. Where bills are not=20 > based on usage (e.g. flat rate services), the usage=20 > information provided by IPFIX would not represent a problem=20 > if it were to be lost in transit. Usage-based accounting=20 > (how accounting data is collected) is a different thing from=20 > usage-based billing (how the accounting records are rated).=20 >=20 > So my recommendation is to replace "commercial-grade billing"=20 > with "usage-based billing". =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Tanja Zseby wrote: >=20 > > Hi all, > >=20 > > I submitted a new version of the applicability statement=20 > (attached). In > > order to address Bernard Abobas comments on the IPFIX=20 > limitations for > > billing, I incorporated a section on the reliability limitations of > > IPIFX and warned in related sections, that IPFIX is=20 > currently not able > > to support commercial-grade billing. I did not remove the=20 > AAA examples > > because I think that they are still useful and especially may be > > valuable if reliability extensions from Benoits draft are=20 > incorporated.=20 > > Furthermore I tried to address all the comments from the=20 > Gen-ART review, > > did some re-wording and added a section on remote=20 > configuration in the > > limitations section. > >=20 > > Thanks to all that reviewed and commented the draft. > >=20 > > Regards, > > Tanja > >=20 >=20 >=20 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri Jun 23 07:35:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtjwZ-0002fq-GV for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:35:23 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtjwY-00089S-78 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:35:23 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtjtQ-0003h6-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:32:08 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FtjtP-0003gS-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:32:07 -0500 Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id k5NBVnb27045; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 (MEST) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:32:00 +0200 Message-ID: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA11C7E45@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 Thread-Index: AcaWHUGrfyW2pkc0RIaBa/fpyoFN+gAm1aAQ From: "Tanja Zseby" To: "Gray, Eric" , Cc: "Bernard Aboba" , "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Hi Eric, I will produce a version 10 based on the comments I got on the 08 version. I assume that I now have all comments because IESG LC on 08 has ended, correct? Is this o.k or do I need to somehow officially withdraw version 09? Kind regards, Tanja > -----Original Message----- > From: Gray, Eric [mailto:Eric.Gray@marconi.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:59 PM > To: Tanja Zseby; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Cc: Bernard Aboba; Gray, Eric; Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 >=20 > I agree with Dan. >=20 > People making review comments aim those comments at the LC=20 > version (including page numbers, sections and referring to=20 > text as they saw during the review period). Modifications to=20 > the document during the review period results in a "moving=20 > target" and makes the review process difficult for everyone. >=20 > If the revised edition already submitted is not withdrawn,=20 > then I suggest extending the last call until two weeks after=20 > the revised edition is available for review. >=20 > -- > Eric >=20 > --> -----Original Message----- > --> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > --> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:22 AM > --> To: Tanja Zseby; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > --> Cc: Bernard Aboba; Gray, Eric > --> Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 > -->=20 > --> I would like to draw your attention that draft-08 is=20 > still in IESG=20 > --> LC until today. It would be preferable not to issue=20 > revised drafts=20 > --> while a document is in LC. You may expect comments on=20 > draft-08 until=20 > --> today COB (including mine :-)). > -->=20 > --> Dan > -->=20 > -->=20 > -->=20 > -->=20 > --> =20 > --> =20 > -->=20 > --> > -----Original Message----- > --> > From: majordomo listserver > --> > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Tanja Zseby > --> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:14 PM > --> > To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > --> > Cc: Bernard Aboba; Gray, Eric > --> > Subject: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 > --> >=20 > --> > Hi all, > --> >=20 > --> > I submitted a new version of the applicability statement=20 > --> > (attached). In order to address Bernard Abobas comments on the=20 > --> > IPFIX limitations for billing, I incorporated a section on the=20 > --> > reliability limitations of IPIFX and warned in related=20 > sections,=20 > --> > that IPFIX is currently not able to support commercial-grade=20 > --> > billing. 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Just please take care to consider all comments.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tanja Zseby [mailto:Tanja.Zseby@fokus.fraunhofer.de]=20 > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:32 PM > To: Gray, Eric; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Cc: Bernard Aboba; Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 >=20 > Hi Eric, >=20 > I will produce a version 10 based on the comments I got on=20 > the 08 version. I assume that I now have all comments because=20 > IESG LC on 08 has ended, correct? Is this o.k or do I need to=20 > somehow officially withdraw version 09? >=20 > Kind regards, > Tanja >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gray, Eric [mailto:Eric.Gray@marconi.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:59 PM > > To: Tanja Zseby; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > > Cc: Bernard Aboba; Gray, Eric; Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 > >=20 > > I agree with Dan. > >=20 > > People making review comments aim those comments at the LC version=20 > > (including page numbers, sections and referring to text as they saw=20 > > during the review period). Modifications to the document=20 > during the=20 > > review period results in a "moving target" and makes the review=20 > > process difficult for everyone. > >=20 > > If the revised edition already submitted is not withdrawn, then I=20 > > suggest extending the last call until two weeks after the revised=20 > > edition is available for review. > >=20 > > -- > > Eric > >=20 > > --> -----Original Message----- > > --> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > > --> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:22 AM > > --> To: Tanja Zseby; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > > --> Cc: Bernard Aboba; Gray, Eric > > --> Subject: RE: [ipfix] IPFIX-AS draft version 09 > > -->=20 > > --> I would like to draw your attention that draft-08 is > > still in IESG > > --> LC until today. It would be preferable not to issue > > revised drafts > > --> while a document is in LC. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C69804.3BD9ABD0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Sun Jun 25 08:26:14 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuTgs-0000fG-J2 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:26:14 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuTgq-0007eh-8q for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:26:14 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FuTcT-0001jU-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:21:41 -0500 Received: from nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FuTcS-0001jP-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:21:41 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5PCHVJh029541 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:17:32 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ipfix] new version of the IPFIX information model Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:21:38 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ipfix] new version of the IPFIX information model Thread-Index: AcaWdDDt0Qp7IQUjSKO73XybAcjipgB3Y7eg From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "Juergen Quittek" , "Hitoshi Irino" Cc: X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 As I am preparing the info model draft to go to IESG Last Call soon, I suggest to consider this comment a LC comment.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: majordomo listserver=20 > [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Juergen Quittek > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:05 AM > To: Hitoshi Irino > Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: Re: [ipfix] new version of the IPFIX information model >=20 > Dear Hitoshi Irino, >=20 > Thank you for the thorough review. > I will keep a record for the next revision. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Juergen >=20 > --On 22.06.2006 16:53 Uhr +0900 Hitoshi Irino wrote: >=20 > > Dear Juergen > > > > I (probably) found a mistake of the Draft. > > Section 5.4.11 is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, but ElementId 30 is=20 > > destinationIPv6Mask in the table of Page 16. > > Correct IE is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, isn't it? > > > > regrads, > > Hitoshi Irino > > > > Juergen Quittek wrote: > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I submitted a new version of the IPFIX information model. > >> Until it gets posted, please find it at=20 > >>=20 > . >> >> The new version includes all changes that were requested by the AD=20 >> review. 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In this draft, Information Elements grouped into 12 groups in a table of contents. 12 groups are: 5.1. Identifiers, 5.2. Metering and Exporting Process Configuration 5.3. Metering and Exporting Process Statistics 5.4. IP Header Fields 5.5. Transport Header Fields 5.6. Sub-IP Header Fields 5.7. Derived Packet Properties 5.8. Min/Max Flow Properties 5.9. Flow Time Stamps 5.10. Per-Flow Counters 5.11. Miscellaneous Flow Properties 5.12. Padding But, in section "5. Information Elements" in page 18, this draft describes: >The elements are grouped into 9 groups according to their semantics and ^ >their applicability: > > 1. Identifiers > 2. Metering and Exporting Process Properties > 3. IP Header Fields > 4. Transport Header Fields > 5. Sub-IP Header Fields > 6. Derived Packet Properties > 7. Min/Max Flow Properties > 8. Flow Time Stamps > 9. Per-Flow Counters > 10. Miscellaneous Flow Properties The sentence describes "9" groups and 10 groups are listed. Isn't this an error in writing? regrads, Hitoshi Irino Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear Hitoshi Irino, > > Thank you for the thorough review. > I will keep a record for the next revision. > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > --On 22.06.2006 16:53 Uhr +0900 Hitoshi Irino wrote: > >> Dear Juergen >> >> I (probably) found a mistake of the Draft. >> Section 5.4.11 is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, but >> ElementId 30 is destinationIPv6Mask in the table of Page 16. >> Correct IE is destinationIPv6PrefixLength, isn't it? >> >> regrads, >> Hitoshi Irino >> >> Juergen Quittek wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I submitted a new version of the IPFIX information model. >>> Until it gets posted, please find it at >>> . >>> >>> >>> The new version includes all changes that were requested >>> by the AD review. Also changes discussed recently on >>> the mailing list are included. 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The Protocol and Architecture drafts are being considered by IESG for approval, and the Information Model draft for IESG Last Call. The AS draft has finished IESG Last Call and is being revised. 3) Work items in the new charter Reports on each of these (would the people working on these email me and tell me who will be reporting, please?) 1. IPFIX Implementation Guidelines draft, to be an Informational RFC (6 months) 2. IPFIX Testing draft, to be an Informational RFC (6 months) 3. IPFIX Reducing Redundancy, to be an Informational RFC (6 months) 4. IPFIX MIB, to be a Standards Track RFC (12 months) 5. 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Falko Dressler Computer Networks and Communication Systems University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany Phone: +49 9131 85-27914 / Fax: +49 9131 85-27409 EMail: dressler@informatik.uni-erlangen.de / fd@acm.org WWW: http://www7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~dressler/ --------------040001080903040208050105 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-03.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-03.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-6-27122621.I-D@ietf.org> --------------040001080903040208050105 Content-Type: text/plain; name*0="file:///C|/DOKUME%7E1/DRESSLER/LOKALE%7E1/TEMP/nsmail.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="file:///C|/DOKUME%7E1/DRESSLER/LOKALE%7E1/TEMP/nsmail.txt" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce --------------040001080903040208050105-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu Jun 29 00:38:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvoIg-0005vg-HQ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:38:46 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvoIg-0004Js-2k for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:38:46 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FvoDP-0007VW-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:33:19 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FvoDN-0007VR-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:33:17 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5T4TvII020858 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:29:58 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [ipfix] RE: WG Action: RECHARTER: IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:33:14 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WG Action: RECHARTER: IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) Thread-Index: Acaa9ON41TjcORR4QNiqXFwxxn/5EAAP2Slg From: "Romascanu, Dan $Dan$" To: "IESG Secretary" Cc: "Nevil Brownlee" , "Dave Plonka" , , "Juergen Quittek" X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8041eca2a724d631b098c15e9048ce9 I was expecting for the announcement to go out with the 4th paragraph including the improved text, and not with the old text and the comment.=20 Can you please make the change on the WG charter page:=20 OLD:=20 Out of scope are modifications to the core IPFIX and PSAMP protocol specifications. In scope is the definition of new IPFIX and PSAMP information elements. NEW:=20 Modifications to the core IPFIX and PSAMP protocol specifications is out of scope for this charter. However, the definition of new IPFIX and PSAMP information elements is within the scope of this charter. =20 Also, please replace the name of Dave Plonka with Juergen Quittek on the WG Chairs line.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: IESG Secretary [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:50 PM > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org > Cc: Nevil Brownlee; Dave Plonka; ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > Subject: WG Action: RECHARTER: IP Flow Information Export (ipfix)=20 >=20 > The charter of the IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) working=20 > group in the Operations and Management Area of the IETF has=20 > been updated. For additional information, please contact the=20 > Area Directors or the working group Chairs. >=20 > COMMENT >=20 > Better wording for 4th paragraph: >=20 > "Modifications to the core IPFIX and PSAMP protocol=20 > specifications is out of scope for this charter. However, the=20 > definition of new IPFIX and PSAMP information elements is=20 > within the scope of this charter." >=20 > No need to change the meeting minutes, I believe.=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 > +++ >=20 > IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Current Status: Active Working Group >=20 > Chair(s): > Nevil Brownlee Dave Plonka=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > Operations and Management Area Director(s): > Dan Romascanu =20 > David Kessens =20 >=20 > Operations and Management Area Advisor: > Dan Romascanu =20 >=20 > Mailing Lists: > General Discussion: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu > To Subscribe: majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu > In Body: subscribe ipfix > Archive: http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >=20 > Description of Working Group: >=20 > The IPFIX working group has specified the Information Model=20 > (to describe > IP flows) and the IPFIX protocol (to transfer IP flow data from IPFIX > exporters to collectors). The PSAMP working group has specified the > usage of the IPFIX protocol for exporting packet records. With both > specifications available, several implementers have started building > applications using the IPFIX protocol. >=20 > At two interoperability testing events, several IPFIX protocol > implementations were tested. The experiences made at these events were > fed back to IPFIX protocol specification, particularly for removing > ambiguities. In addition, several lessons were learned about how to > implement and use IPFIX correctly and efficiently. The exchange among > different implementers further led to new ideas for advanced usage of > IPFIX. Many of these ideas are currently documented in individual > Internet drafts. >=20 > The goal of the IPFIX working group is now to produce 'best current > practice' and 'guideline' documents concerning implementation, > application and usage of the IPFIX protocol. >=20 > Out of scope are modifications to the core IPFIX and PSAMP protocol > specifications. In scope is the definition of new IPFIX and PSAMP > information elements. >=20 > Specific Goals >=20 > o Develop guidelines for implementers based on experiences > gained individually by implementers and jointly at interoperability > testing events. The guidelines will give recommendations for > integrating IPFIX observation points, metering processes, > exporting processes and collecting processes into the packet flow > at different kinds of IPFIX devices. They will make suggestions for > efficient implementation of the IPFIX protocol features and identify > parts of the IPFIX specification that have already been misunderstood > by several implementors. For some implementation choices that the > protocol specification leaves to the implementer, the guidelines will > discuss advantages and disadvantages of the different choices. > Several recent individual drafts call for new Information Elements; > The implementation guidelines will explain procedures for requesting, > reviewing and approving new IEs. > Deliverables: > 1. IPFIX Implementation Guidelines draft, to be an Informational RFC > (6 months) > 2. IPFIX Testing draft, to be an Informational RFC (6 months) >=20 > o Develop methods and means for an efficient use of the IPFIX > protocol by reducing redundancy in flow reports. The basic idea > to be followed is very simple. For multiple flow records that all > report the same value in one or more of the contained IPFIX > information elements, those values are removed from the flow > records and instead reported once for all in a separate record. > Such an approach integrates very well with the IPFIX protocol and > only needs a few simple methods for expressing the relationship > between flow records and corresponding separate records. > Deliverable: > 3. IPFIX Reducing Redundancy, to be an Informational RFC (6 months) >=20 > o Create an IPFIX MIB, for reporting information and statistics > of IPFIX metering, exporting and collecing processes. Much of this > work has already been done by the PSAMP working group, and by > individuals working on IPFIX collectors. Deliverable: > 4. IPFIX MIB, to be a Standards Track RFC (12 months) >=20 > o Develop an effective method for exporting information about > bidirectional flows ('biflows'). The IP security community has > expressed a strong need to collect data on bidrectional flows. > A recent individual draft discusses several different ways to > support biflows in IPFIX - this work will produce a single, > best-practice method for handling them, without requiring changes > to the IPFIX protocol. > Deliverable: > 5. 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