Subject: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps

From: Nevil Brownlee <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:05 +1200

Hi all:

At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of  
possible
new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week.  This
note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite  
proposal.

a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of
    RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC,  
IETF LC
    and IESG again.  There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol  
Draft
    authors have been working through the necessary changes.

    That work has also brought to light two other issues:
     - Padding, see slide 7 of
       http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf
     - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX
       testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport'
       section of the Draft

    These - of course - are not related to SCTP.  Nonetheless, they
    would require small changes, and making them would improve the
    Protocol RFC.
    =>  I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we
        should make them, or whether we should only make the
        SCTP-related changes.  (And I certainly don't want to see any
        proposals for further changes!)

b) SCTP per-stream draft.  Discussion centred on whether this should
    be Informational or experimental.  Since 'Reducuing Redundancy'
    is Informational, I believe that SCTP per-stream should be also.
    => Proposed: Adopt this for an Informational RFC, time: 3 months

c) File Format: General agreement that we need this, and that it should
    be a Standards Track RFC.  One interesting comment: "it's really a
    fourth transport for IPFIX."
    => Proposed: Adopt this for a Standards Track RFC, time: 3 months
         Note that those working on this draft will have to decide
         how best to handle "Extended Types."

d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some
    from network operators.  However, the current draft is very broad
    in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview
    draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics,
    e.g. aggregation and anonymisation.  If the WG is to work on this,
    we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to
    work on.

e) Other possible items did not get much discussion.
    => Proposed: Individuals involved should continue to develop them
         further.

Summary:
--------

Right now:
    Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap.

Short term [3 months]:
    Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above.

Longer term [12~18 months]
    Adopt item (d) above.

Who's going to work on these?
-----------------------------

I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts
for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them.  If you're
prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll
review for.

Cheers, Nevil

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:03:05 +0000 (GMT)

Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees in #69 were in favor to have 
the configuration draft as a WG item. I support this decision fully.

Mehmet 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps
> 
> Nevil,
> 
> >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft.
> > 
> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at
> > all about it on the list.  If it's to be a WG item, we need to have
> > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at
> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.
> > 
> > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is 
> still open,
> > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for
> > them on the list.
> 
> I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles 
> converted into an email ASAP.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
> 

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) 
but at least the Jabber log says:
http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html 

[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model

[15:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this.  (clearly it's along-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 
[mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 
PM
To: Mehmet Ersue
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: 
Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and 
useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees in 
#69 were in favor to have 
the configuration draft as a WG item. 

This is also my recollection. I was just looking in my 
meeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be normal since I 
was presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek 
on the mailing list, and the only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised 
any objection to working on such a model."

Regards, Benoit.

I support this decision fully.

Mehmet 

> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New 
work items: From [email-masked] Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Cc: IPFIX <[email-masked]>

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) 
but at least the Jabber log says:
http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html 

[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model

[15:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this.  (clearly it's along-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 
[mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 
PM
To: Mehmet Ersue
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: 
Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and 
useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees in 
#69 were in favor to have 
the configuration draft as a WG item. 

This is also my recollection. I was just looking in my 
meeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be normal since I 
was presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek 
on the mailing list, and the only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised 
any objection to working on such a model."

Regards, Benoit.

I support this decision fully.

Mehmet 

> still 
open,
> I support this 
draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles 
> IPFIX mailing 
list
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

Regards, Benoit.

Mehmet 

> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New 
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Regards,
Mehmet

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Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

Regards, Benoit.

Mehmet 

> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New 
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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

Regards, Benoit.

Mehmet 

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

Regards, Benoit.

Mehmet 

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

Regards, Benoit.

Mehmet 

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From: Mehmet Ersue <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT)

Regards,
Mehmet

From: ext Benoit Claise 

Mehmet, 

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Hi Nevil, All,

Regards, Benoit.

Mehmet 

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