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2007 02:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Gala Dean" To: "Jaqueline Fuller" Cc: "Lurline" , "Hobert" , "Amelia Ferguson" <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org>, "Mindy Bell" , "Tran Davis" Subject: No way. 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Other line break or word wrap information is not stored. Then a
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http://yuwfmse.asgerts.net/?990808519171/ ------------2957DABBB4F29C-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Aug 05 04:03:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHb4t-0000LC-Ha; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:03:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHb4r-0000Hw-Rv for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:03:05 -0400 Received: from tama55.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHb4p-0007G3-TB for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:03:05 -0400 Received: from mfs34.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (mfs34.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.114]) by tama55.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l758324l026630; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from mfs34.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mfs34.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B640620AE2C; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.100]) by mfs34.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EDD20AE2B; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan2.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (eclscan2.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.68]) by nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75830Gp001530; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan2.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclscan2.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75830Ej004861; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:03:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from imm.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (imm0.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.151]) by eclscan2.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7582woa004846; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:02:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([129.60.80.56]) by imm.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7582sqe000629; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:02:55 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <46B58456.2050305@lab.ntt.co.jp> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:03:34 +0900 From: Hitoshi Irino Organization: NTT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #6: order of information elements References: <46A8B2EB.6090800@lab.ntt.co.jp> <46AA04FD.2000901@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46AA04FD.2000901@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tama55.ecl.ntt.co.jp id l758324l026630 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 17bdfcaea25d1444baef0e24abc38874 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, Juergen Quittek X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Gerhard, all, I am sorry about my late reply. (2007/07/27 23:45), Gerhard Muenz wrote: > Dear Hitoshi, all, >=20 > I had a look at your slides. Here are some thoughts about it. >=20 > With respect to the Template structure, I see three aspects which affec= t > the performance of the collector: >=20 > - Order of IEs. > - Reduced size encoding. > - Position of variable length IEs in the record. >=20 > Let's assume the collector has to copy the record data into an internal > data structure positioned at a certain address in memory. > (Only) if the following two conditions are fulfilled, a performance gai= n > can be achieved by copying blocks of consecutive IEs: >=20 > 1. Order of IEs (within the block) is the same in the Template and in > the internal data structure > 2. No reduced size encoding is applied. >=20 > As you wrote in your email, your collector makes use of this block > copying feature. And this feature is the main reason why your collector > is so fast when using the "suggested order" at both exporter and collec= tor. >=20 > J=FCrgen: Common collectors not supporting this block copying feature > won't show the same performance gain. So, just repeating the experiment= s > with other collector implementations does not seem to be very promising. I agree that current collectors do not support processing multiple IEs.=20 (Maybe anyone except me have not thought to treat multiple IEs at once.) Although it does not mean always that other implementations can not be=20 implemented this features, I think. (By the way, the logic of this feature is implemented by about 30 lines=20 on my implementation. I extended a function which decodes template. Of=20 course I recognize this issue depends on each implementation.) > Here are some further thoughts: > - Having the same order of IEs while using reduced size encoding at > the same time does not enable to copy multiple IEs at once. > =3D> no performance gain Yes. Therefore I separate position for constant fixed length IEs from=20 other IEs to enable copy multiple IEs in my suggested order. > - Not using reduced size encoding at all while allowing random IE > orders, we can omit type casts in the collector, but casts usually > do not actually require computational resources. > =3D> no performance gain I did not contain type casts into the reason of difference of the=20 performance. I have thought the performance is differed by difference=20 between aligning data boundary and not aligning. I recently tested same evaluation without coping multiple IEs. Using=20 random order (which do not align data boundary) template is about 1%=20 slower than others constantly. Though it is only a difference of 1%=20 after all, it is better to consider data boundary. It is my opinion. > - The treatment of variable length IEs always results in performance > drawbacks because the offsets of the different IEs cannot be > calculated in advance. So, you would probably not use variable length > IEs at all if performance is an issue. Also, I do not see how the > performance can be increased significantly if variable length IEs are > positioned at the end of the record. You still need to calculate all > offsets to determine record and set boundaries. I have not tested templates containing variable length IEs. My=20 implementation treats data per data records and the implementation=20 calculate offsets of each IEs when read Template records. Therefore I=20 suppose that if variable length IEs are collected into end or top of the=20 record, the performance do not worsen too much because collector can=20 process these IEs independently of other IEs. On the other hand, I=20 suppose that if variable length IEs are positioned at middle of the=20 record, the performance worsen because recalculations offset of each=20 following IEs are needed. > A final comment: You often need to convert values from network-byte > order to host-byte order. If you do this, you have to process the > corresponding IEs separately and cannot use the block copy. If collector uses little endian CPU and all IEs have to be converted=20 byte order, I agree with you. However I evaluated the performance without byte order conversion because= : 1) the necessity of byte order conversion depends on CPU architecture.=20 (If collector uses big endian CPU, the cost of byte order conversion is=20 zero.) 2) I do not think that all IEs are needed to convert host byte order,=20 because some standard C language functions relating DNS presuppose that=20 data is network byte order. Probably counter and timestamps need to be converted, however these IEs=20 did not effects the performance in my evaluation introduced in my=20 presentation. I think applications of mediation often copy from fields of incoming=20 data records to fields of outgoing data records without byte order=20 conversion. Is it correct? > Kobayashi-san > Conclusion: Only under the specific conditions described above, using a > specialized collector, the performance can be improved. As you pointed, my suggestion and the gained performance are made up of=20 some conditions. However I think my suggestion does not affect except=20 the cost of implementation, on the other hand it has possibility to make=20 good performances. Best regards, Hitoshi IRINO > Hitoshi Irino wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> (2007/07/26 15:38), Juergen Quittek wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Candidates #6 to become a new IPFIX work item is described by >>> draft draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-02.txt. >>> >>>> 6. Order of Information Elements (Irino) >>>> Interesting, need more people to measure possible efficiency gain. >>>> Would this be better as an individual draft? >>> This draft suggests a special ordering of information elements in a >>> flow record. At the very brief presentation at our session, the auth= or >>> explained that he can improve the performance of IPFIX exporter and >>> collector significantly. To prove this, he compared a random order >>> of information elements with an order according to his proposal >>> and achieved significant performance improvements. >>> >>> Speaking as technical contributor, I think that if these results woul= d >>> be the same also for other implementations of IPFIX, then this looks = like >>> a very good IPFIX work item. >>> >>> Speaking as co-chair, I would like to ask everybody who has an IPFIX >>> implementation to conduct a short experiment in order to find out if >>> the improvement is the same for his/her implementations. >>> >>> Would any implementor be willing to do so? >>> If yes, until when would you have results? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Juergen >> A day before yesterday, I had a presentation about a performance resul= t >> when exporters and collectors use same order, however I didn't have an= y >> time to talk about the reason of difference of performance. >> >> In the slide, >> ( http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-10.pdf ) >> I use very primitive collector which I implemented. This collector >> receive data records and write the data to file. >> This collector has internal proprietary format to store to data to fil= e. >> The format consists of some Information Elements whose size are full >> size. (For example, bgpSourceAsNumber is 4 octets.) >> >> This collector process following steps: >> 1) read the data record. >> 2) convert received data records to the collector's format on memory. >> 3) write to file from memory. >> >> I tested each combination of 3 kind of orders for template of exporter >> and format of collector. >> 1) An order same as NetFlow version 5 >> 2) Suggested Order in my draft (separating constant fixed length IEs >> and reduced size encoding applicable IEs) >> 3) Random order >> In this test, exporter's template includes set of Information Elements >> same as NetFlow version 5 fields. >> These templates and formats are shown in page 9 in the slide. >> >> I measured 10 times this test. >> The matrix table in page 4 is the result of this test. Upper one shows >> total time, lower one shows ratio. >> >> My collector program can process bulk of sequential Information >> Elements. 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(2007/07/27 23:45), Gerhard Muenz wrote: > Dear Hitoshi, all, >=20 > I had a look at your slides. Here are some thoughts about it. >=20 > With respect to the Template structure, I see three aspects which affec= t > the performance of the collector: >=20 > - Order of IEs. > - Reduced size encoding. > - Position of variable length IEs in the record. >=20 > Let's assume the collector has to copy the record data into an internal > data structure positioned at a certain address in memory. > (Only) if the following two conditions are fulfilled, a performance gai= n > can be achieved by copying blocks of consecutive IEs: >=20 > 1. Order of IEs (within the block) is the same in the Template and in > the internal data structure > 2. No reduced size encoding is applied. >=20 > As you wrote in your email, your collector makes use of this block > copying feature. And this feature is the main reason why your collector > is so fast when using the "suggested order" at both exporter and collec= tor. >=20 > J=FCrgen: Common collectors not supporting this block copying feature > won't show the same performance gain. So, just repeating the experiment= s > with other collector implementations does not seem to be very promising. I agree that current collectors do not support processing multiple IEs.=20 (Maybe anyone except me have not thought to treat multiple IEs at once.) Although it does not mean always that other implementations can not be=20 implemented this features, I think. (By the way, the logic of this feature is implemented by about 30 lines=20 on my implementation. I extended a function which decodes template. Of=20 course I recognize this issue depends on each implementation.) > Here are some further thoughts: > - Having the same order of IEs while using reduced size encoding at > the same time does not enable to copy multiple IEs at once. > =3D> no performance gain Yes. Therefore I separate position for constant fixed length IEs from=20 other IEs to enable copy multiple IEs in my suggested order. > - Not using reduced size encoding at all while allowing random IE > orders, we can omit type casts in the collector, but casts usually > do not actually require computational resources. > =3D> no performance gain I did not contain type casts into the reason of difference of the=20 performance. I have thought the performance is differed by difference=20 between aligning data boundary and not aligning. I recently tested same evaluation without coping multiple IEs. Using=20 random order (which do not align data boundary) template is about 1%=20 slower than others constantly. Though it is only a difference of 1%=20 after all, it is better to consider data boundary. It is my opinion. > - The treatment of variable length IEs always results in performance > drawbacks because the offsets of the different IEs cannot be > calculated in advance. So, you would probably not use variable length > IEs at all if performance is an issue. Also, I do not see how the > performance can be increased significantly if variable length IEs are > positioned at the end of the record. You still need to calculate all > offsets to determine record and set boundaries. I have not tested templates containing variable length IEs. My=20 implementation treats data per data records and the implementation=20 calculate offsets of each IEs when read Template records. Therefore I=20 suppose that if variable length IEs are collected into end or top of the=20 record, the performance do not worsen too much because collector can=20 process these IEs independently of other IEs. On the other hand, I=20 suppose that if variable length IEs are positioned at middle of the=20 record, the performance worsen because recalculations offset of each=20 following IEs are needed. > A final comment: You often need to convert values from network-byte > order to host-byte order. If you do this, you have to process the > corresponding IEs separately and cannot use the block copy. If collector uses little endian CPU and all IEs have to be converted=20 byte order, I agree with you. However I evaluated the performance without byte order conversion because= : 1) the necessity of byte order conversion depends on CPU architecture.=20 (If collector uses big endian CPU, the cost of byte order conversion is=20 zero.) 2) I do not think that all IEs are needed to convert host byte order,=20 because some standard C language functions relating DNS presuppose that=20 data is network byte order. Probably counter and timestamps need to be converted, however these IEs=20 did not effects the performance in my evaluation introduced in my=20 presentation. I think applications of mediation often copy from fields of incoming=20 data records to fields of outgoing data records without byte order=20 conversion. Is it correct? > Kobayashi-san > Conclusion: Only under the specific conditions described above, using a > specialized collector, the performance can be improved. As you pointed, my suggestion and the gained performance are made up of=20 some conditions. However I think my suggestion does not affect except=20 the cost of implementation, on the other hand it has possibility to make=20 good performances. Best regards, Hitoshi IRINO > Hitoshi Irino wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> (2007/07/26 15:38), Juergen Quittek wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Candidates #6 to become a new IPFIX work item is described by >>> draft draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-02.txt. >>> >>>> 6. Order of Information Elements (Irino) >>>> Interesting, need more people to measure possible efficiency gain. >>>> Would this be better as an individual draft? >>> This draft suggests a special ordering of information elements in a >>> flow record. At the very brief presentation at our session, the auth= or >>> explained that he can improve the performance of IPFIX exporter and >>> collector significantly. To prove this, he compared a random order >>> of information elements with an order according to his proposal >>> and achieved significant performance improvements. >>> >>> Speaking as technical contributor, I think that if these results woul= d >>> be the same also for other implementations of IPFIX, then this looks = like >>> a very good IPFIX work item. >>> >>> Speaking as co-chair, I would like to ask everybody who has an IPFIX >>> implementation to conduct a short experiment in order to find out if >>> the improvement is the same for his/her implementations. >>> >>> Would any implementor be willing to do so? >>> If yes, until when would you have results? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Juergen >> A day before yesterday, I had a presentation about a performance resul= t >> when exporters and collectors use same order, however I didn't have an= y >> time to talk about the reason of difference of performance. >> >> In the slide, >> ( http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-10.pdf ) >> I use very primitive collector which I implemented. This collector >> receive data records and write the data to file. >> This collector has internal proprietary format to store to data to fil= e. >> The format consists of some Information Elements whose size are full >> size. (For example, bgpSourceAsNumber is 4 octets.) >> >> This collector process following steps: >> 1) read the data record. >> 2) convert received data records to the collector's format on memory. >> 3) write to file from memory. >> >> I tested each combination of 3 kind of orders for template of exporter >> and format of collector. >> 1) An order same as NetFlow version 5 >> 2) Suggested Order in my draft (separating constant fixed length IEs >> and reduced size encoding applicable IEs) >> 3) Random order >> In this test, exporter's template includes set of Information Elements >> same as NetFlow version 5 fields. >> These templates and formats are shown in page 9 in the slide. >> >> I measured 10 times this test. >> The matrix table in page 4 is the result of this test. Upper one shows >> total time, lower one shows ratio. >> >> My collector program can process bulk of sequential Information >> Elements. 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Difference of the >> counts for processing effects their performance. >> my presentation shows one of the best case. >> >> Therefore, there are effective case and ineffective case by ordering. >> >> Example of effective case >> writing to files >> real time flow filtering (comparing bulk data) >> >> Example of ineffective case >> when process each Information Element >> >> By the way, if all exporter supports draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration a= nd >> operators can set configuration about template completely freely, my >> draft is not important, because operator can adjust configuration for >> collector. >> However currently NetFlow v9 implementations of some router makers are >> not configurable at all. Operators can choice preset template on these >> implementations. If this state continues in future, reference order is >> valuable for these exporters' implementations and collectors' >> implementations. Therefore I've thought a reference order should be >> defined as Informational. 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ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 07 17:37:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWjp-00028X-8o; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:37:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWjo-00028R-5l for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:37:12 -0400 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWjn-0001BK-17 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:37:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F6E48033C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:07 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVoHPj4uT6J7 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:07 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000D048033F for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:06 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:05 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Subject: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of possible new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. This note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite proposal. a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF LC and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Draft authors have been working through the necessary changes. That work has also brought to light two other issues: - Padding, see slide 7 of http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' section of the Draft These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they would require small changes, and making them would improve the Protocol RFC. => I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we should make them, or whether we should only make the SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any proposals for further changes!) b) SCTP per-stream draft. Discussion centred on whether this should be Informational or experimental. Since 'Reducuing Redundancy' is Informational, I believe that SCTP per-stream should be also. => Proposed: Adopt this for an Informational RFC, time: 3 months c) File Format: General agreement that we need this, and that it should be a Standards Track RFC. One interesting comment: "it's really a fourth transport for IPFIX." => Proposed: Adopt this for a Standards Track RFC, time: 3 months Note that those working on this draft will have to decide how best to handle "Extended Types." d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some from network operators. However, the current draft is very broad in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics, e.g. aggregation and anonymisation. If the WG is to work on this, we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to work on. e) Other possible items did not get much discussion. => Proposed: Individuals involved should continue to develop them further. Summary: -------- Right now: Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap. Short term [3 months]: Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above. Longer term [12~18 months] Adopt item (d) above. Who's going to work on these? ----------------------------- I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them. If you're prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll review for. Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 07 17:37:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWjp-00028X-8o; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:37:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWjo-00028R-5l for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:37:12 -0400 Received: from moe.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.35] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWjn-0001BK-17 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:37:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F6E48033C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:07 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVoHPj4uT6J7 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:07 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000D048033F for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:06 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:37:05 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Subject: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of possible new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. This note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite proposal. a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF LC and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Draft authors have been working through the necessary changes. That work has also brought to light two other issues: - Padding, see slide 7 of http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' section of the Draft These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they would require small changes, and making them would improve the Protocol RFC. => I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we should make them, or whether we should only make the SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any proposals for further changes!) b) SCTP per-stream draft. Discussion centred on whether this should be Informational or experimental. Since 'Reducuing Redundancy' is Informational, I believe that SCTP per-stream should be also. => Proposed: Adopt this for an Informational RFC, time: 3 months c) File Format: General agreement that we need this, and that it should be a Standards Track RFC. One interesting comment: "it's really a fourth transport for IPFIX." => Proposed: Adopt this for a Standards Track RFC, time: 3 months Note that those working on this draft will have to decide how best to handle "Extended Types." d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some from network operators. However, the current draft is very broad in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics, e.g. aggregation and anonymisation. If the WG is to work on this, we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to work on. e) Other possible items did not get much discussion. => Proposed: Individuals involved should continue to develop them further. Summary: -------- Right now: Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap. Short term [3 months]: Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above. Longer term [12~18 months] Adopt item (d) above. Who's going to work on these? ----------------------------- I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them. If you're prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll review for. 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http://wiscobe.net/ ------------5E05E0C38D38D3-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 04:11:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIgdr-00065E-7j; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:11:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIgdi-0005v3-Cf for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:11:34 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIgdg-0001Ic-Pt for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:11:34 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l788BM7T021863; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:10:55 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.0.57; VDF: 6.39.0.220; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l788BM7T021863 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. Concerning the two additional issues in a): - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards the padding, so the protocol works in any case. - Template management in TCP: I always considered Template management in TCP and SCTP transport sessions to be the same. If this does not become clear in the current draft, I'm in favor of a small change here. Regards, Gerhard Nevil Brownlee wrote: >=20 > Hi all: >=20 > At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of poss= ible > new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. This > note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite propo= sal. >=20 > a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of > RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF = LC > and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Dra= ft > authors have been working through the necessary changes. >=20 > That work has also brought to light two other issues: > - Padding, see slide 7 of > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf > - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX > testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' > section of the Draft >=20 > These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they > would require small changes, and making them would improve the > Protocol RFC. > =3D> I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we > should make them, or whether we should only make the > SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any > proposals for further changes!) >=20 > b) SCTP per-stream draft. Discussion centred on whether this should > be Informational or experimental. Since 'Reducuing Redundancy' > is Informational, I believe that SCTP per-stream should be also. > =3D> Proposed: Adopt this for an Informational RFC, time: 3 months >=20 > c) File Format: General agreement that we need this, and that it should > be a Standards Track RFC. One interesting comment: "it's really a > fourth transport for IPFIX." > =3D> Proposed: Adopt this for a Standards Track RFC, time: 3 months > Note that those working on this draft will have to decide > how best to handle "Extended Types." >=20 > d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some > from network operators. However, the current draft is very broad > in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview > draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics, > e.g. aggregation and anonymisation. If the WG is to work on this, > we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to > work on. >=20 > e) Other possible items did not get much discussion. > =3D> Proposed: Individuals involved should continue to develop them > further. >=20 > Summary: > -------- >=20 > Right now: > Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap. >=20 > Short term [3 months]: > Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above. >=20 > Longer term [12~18 months] > Adopt item (d) above. >=20 > Who's going to work on these? > ----------------------------- >=20 > I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts > for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them. If you'r= e > prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll > review for. >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 04:11:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIgdr-00065E-7j; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:11:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIgdi-0005v3-Cf for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:11:34 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIgdg-0001Ic-Pt for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:11:34 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l788BM7T021863; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:10:55 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.0.57; VDF: 6.39.0.220; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l788BM7T021863 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. Concerning the two additional issues in a): - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards the padding, so the protocol works in any case. - Template management in TCP: I always considered Template management in TCP and SCTP transport sessions to be the same. If this does not become clear in the current draft, I'm in favor of a small change here. Regards, Gerhard Nevil Brownlee wrote: >=20 > Hi all: >=20 > At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of poss= ible > new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. This > note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite propo= sal. >=20 > a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of > RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF = LC > and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Dra= ft > authors have been working through the necessary changes. >=20 > That work has also brought to light two other issues: > - Padding, see slide 7 of > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf > - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX > testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' > section of the Draft >=20 > These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they > would require small changes, and making them would improve the > Protocol RFC. > =3D> I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we > should make them, or whether we should only make the > SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any > proposals for further changes!) >=20 > b) SCTP per-stream draft. Discussion centred on whether this should > be Informational or experimental. Since 'Reducuing Redundancy' > is Informational, I believe that SCTP per-stream should be also. > =3D> Proposed: Adopt this for an Informational RFC, time: 3 months >=20 > c) File Format: General agreement that we need this, and that it should > be a Standards Track RFC. One interesting comment: "it's really a > fourth transport for IPFIX." > =3D> Proposed: Adopt this for a Standards Track RFC, time: 3 months > Note that those working on this draft will have to decide > how best to handle "Extended Types." >=20 > d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some > from network operators. However, the current draft is very broad > in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview > draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics, > e.g. aggregation and anonymisation. If the WG is to work on this, > we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to > work on. >=20 > e) Other possible items did not get much discussion. > =3D> Proposed: Individuals involved should continue to develop them > further. >=20 > Summary: > -------- >=20 > Right now: > Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap. >=20 > Short term [3 months]: > Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above. >=20 > Longer term [12~18 months] > Adopt item (d) above. >=20 > Who's going to work on these? > ----------------------------- >=20 > I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts > for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them. If you'r= e > prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll > review for. >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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<46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:07 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1336; t=1186564153; x=1187428153; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=efHQdUDseNlWDi5TJouAfWM1If0haAbdYlJt4rPii2M=; b=LSN2kWtRR8d3RNoxm7ux7avTZPKDiPbnUQYNrvbkuWDNyuijFLBm4hqsM0427nj6U++6m3Sr hK2Uo4WjVoRllmWo/Z6guRWlXsEDX+HhsnG5dEVdg+ho0N5nIoC+cDUS; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, > Concerning the two additional issues in a): > - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. > As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and > collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider > non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards > the padding, so the protocol works in any case. I disagree: it's not clear whether padding with non-zero valued octets constitutes a malformed message. (Note I'm talking about set padding, rather than paddingOctets; everyone seems to agree that the Collecting Process should not check the values of any Information Elements, including paddingOctets. Rather, checking of values should be done by higher level processes which are using the data.) So, if an Exporting Process doesn't take care to use zero-valued padding octets, then it may not be interoperable with a Collecting Process - depending how strictly that Collecting Process implements the zero padding rule. > - Template management in TCP: I always considered Template management > in TCP and SCTP transport sessions to be the same. If this does not > become clear in the current draft, I'm in favor of a small change > here. Agreed. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 05:09:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIhXa-0004o5-RB; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIhXZ-0004o0-Kk for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:09:17 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIhXY-0002iX-Bs for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:09:17 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2007 11:09:14 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,234,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150066463:sNHT49032276" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7899DtP007324; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:09:13 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78998x0003243; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:09:08 GMT Received: from [144.254.153.57] (dhcp-144-254-153-57.cisco.com [144.254.153.57]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23943; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:09:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:07 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1336; t=1186564153; x=1187428153; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=efHQdUDseNlWDi5TJouAfWM1If0haAbdYlJt4rPii2M=; b=LSN2kWtRR8d3RNoxm7ux7avTZPKDiPbnUQYNrvbkuWDNyuijFLBm4hqsM0427nj6U++6m3Sr hK2Uo4WjVoRllmWo/Z6guRWlXsEDX+HhsnG5dEVdg+ho0N5nIoC+cDUS; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, > Concerning the two additional issues in a): > - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. > As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and > collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider > non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards > the padding, so the protocol works in any case. I disagree: it's not clear whether padding with non-zero valued octets constitutes a malformed message. (Note I'm talking about set padding, rather than paddingOctets; everyone seems to agree that the Collecting Process should not check the values of any Information Elements, including paddingOctets. Rather, checking of values should be done by higher level processes which are using the data.) So, if an Exporting Process doesn't take care to use zero-valued padding octets, then it may not be interoperable with a Collecting Process - depending how strictly that Collecting Process implements the zero padding rule. > - Template management in TCP: I always considered Template management > in TCP and SCTP transport sessions to be the same. If this does not > become clear in the current draft, I'm in favor of a small change > here. Agreed. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 05:46:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIi70-0000dW-Ea; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:45:54 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIi6y-0000dI-81 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:45:52 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIi6x-0002BH-Nj for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:45:52 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l789jY7L001173; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:45:34 +0200 Message-ID: <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:45:08 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.0.57; VDF: 6.39.0.220; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l789jY7L001173 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Paul, Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, >=20 >> Concerning the two additional issues in a): >> - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. >> As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and >> collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider >> non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards >> the padding, so the protocol works in any case. >=20 > I disagree: it's not clear whether padding with non-zero valued octets > constitutes a malformed message. >=20 > (Note I'm talking about set padding, rather than paddingOctets; everyon= e > seems to agree that the Collecting Process should not check the values > of any Information Elements, including paddingOctets. Rather, checking > of values should be done by higher level processes which are using the > data.) > > So, if an Exporting Process doesn't take care to use zero-valued paddin= g > octets, then it may not be interoperable with a Collecting Process - > depending how strictly that Collecting Process implements the zero > padding rule. I fully agree, and that is why the specs say that the Exporting Process MUST use zero-valued padding. So, where is the problem? --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 05:46:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIi70-0000dW-Ea; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:45:54 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIi6y-0000dI-81 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:45:52 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIi6x-0002BH-Nj for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:45:52 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l789jY7L001173; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:45:34 +0200 Message-ID: <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:45:08 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.0.57; VDF: 6.39.0.220; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l789jY7L001173 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Paul, Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, >=20 >> Concerning the two additional issues in a): >> - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. >> As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and >> collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider >> non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards >> the padding, so the protocol works in any case. >=20 > I disagree: it's not clear whether padding with non-zero valued octets > constitutes a malformed message. >=20 > (Note I'm talking about set padding, rather than paddingOctets; everyon= e > seems to agree that the Collecting Process should not check the values > of any Information Elements, including paddingOctets. Rather, checking > of values should be done by higher level processes which are using the > data.) > > So, if an Exporting Process doesn't take care to use zero-valued paddin= g > octets, then it may not be interoperable with a Collecting Process - > depending how strictly that Collecting Process implements the zero > padding rule. I fully agree, and that is why the specs say that the Exporting Process MUST use zero-valued padding. So, where is the problem? --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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------=_NextPart_000_7CEA_01C7D9C7.99292BC0-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 10:29:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImXC-0005q8-QA; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImXC-0005q2-Ad for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImXB-0000Vs-Vc for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2007 16:29:12 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,236,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150105663:sNHT44922444" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l78ETBEn022294; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:29:11 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78ETAx0015854; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:29:10 GMT Received: from [144.254.153.57] (dhcp-144-254-153-57.cisco.com [144.254.153.57]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16875; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:29:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:29:09 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=565; t=1186583351; x=1187447351; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=Cb33Pa3ToWDrJtwaoo618q4qGYa7aKQ7krMS3gcab0g=; b=WSPOg79wY5QzbREhwxOkFZm4n45N/4O0XmyRbCR9ApNG6gIRcjJRUJNMCsywpZAlKkocYsl3 e+n1eyw/i57c25u01pN1aIm2rIMKbvyycN9PnYKqPIJWDNH4AX07gywX; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, > I fully agree, and that is why the specs say that the Exporting Process > MUST use zero-valued padding. So, where is the problem? The problem is that the specs don't make it clear what should happen if the EP *doesn't* use zero-valued padding. Is it a malformed message that should be rejected? Should the SCTP association be shut down? It seems unnecessary. Ideally the Collecting Process should still accept the message, because the interpretation won't be any different. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 10:29:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImXC-0005q8-QA; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImXC-0005q2-Ad for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImXB-0000Vs-Vc for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2007 16:29:12 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,236,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150105663:sNHT44922444" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l78ETBEn022294; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:29:11 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78ETAx0015854; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:29:10 GMT Received: from [144.254.153.57] (dhcp-144-254-153-57.cisco.com [144.254.153.57]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16875; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:29:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:29:09 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=565; t=1186583351; x=1187447351; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=Cb33Pa3ToWDrJtwaoo618q4qGYa7aKQ7krMS3gcab0g=; b=WSPOg79wY5QzbREhwxOkFZm4n45N/4O0XmyRbCR9ApNG6gIRcjJRUJNMCsywpZAlKkocYsl3 e+n1eyw/i57c25u01pN1aIm2rIMKbvyycN9PnYKqPIJWDNH4AX07gywX; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, > I fully agree, and that is why the specs say that the Exporting Process > MUST use zero-valued padding. So, where is the problem? The problem is that the specs don't make it clear what should happen if the EP *doesn't* use zero-valued padding. Is it a malformed message that should be rejected? Should the SCTP association be shut down? It seems unnecessary. 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We’re endorsed by VISA & VeriSign so we provide certain and dependable purchasing. ------------ACD394DACD3946-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 16:58:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsbQ-0000t8-JI; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:58:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsbP-0000t3-KO for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsbO-0002Qg-Cc for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l78Kvn89015803 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:57:55 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l78Ktp1x015672 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:55:51 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l78KtoAr015668; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.117.0.35] (vpn-10-25-4-10.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.10]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l78KtnsM027072; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:55:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <885E6B2F-B07F-4A48-A74B-C13D8722C3C4@cert.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:55:48 -0400 To: Paul Aitken X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Paul and Gerhard, To add to the opinion parade here, in keeping with the cardinal law of protocol design (be liberal in what you accept and conservative in what you send), I'd be opposed to requiring the CP to shut down the association on nonzero padding. There is an opportunity for clever CP implementors to detect and log (or possibly tag records on) messages with nonzero set padding (as they may be indicative of data corruption), but calling this a malformed message in every case seems a bit much. We may want to clarify and enumerate what malformed message _means_ (which, in my opinion, is any message in which the framing information does not allow successful decode) but I don't think nonzero set padding qualifies (because a CP can indeed decode a message with nonzero set padding; in fact it has to do _extra_ decode work in order to verify the set padding is zero.) There is an argument that non-zero set padding can be used to detect incorrect framing of sets, but if we as a WG want to be able to detect such a case reliably, we'd need to have specified a zero trailer for _every_ set, not just those an EP wants to keep somehow aligned within a message. And we didn't do that. Cheers, Brian On Aug 8, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, > >> I fully agree, and that is why the specs say that the Exporting >> Process >> MUST use zero-valued padding. So, where is the problem? > > The problem is that the specs don't make it clear what should > happen if the EP *doesn't* use zero-valued padding. > > Is it a malformed message that should be rejected? Should the SCTP > association be shut down? It seems unnecessary. Ideally the > Collecting Process should still accept the message, because the > interpretation won't be any different. > > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 16:58:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsbQ-0000t8-JI; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:58:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsbP-0000t3-KO for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsbO-0002Qg-Cc for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l78Kvn89015803 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:57:55 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l78Ktp1x015672 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:55:51 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l78KtoAr015668; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.117.0.35] (vpn-10-25-4-10.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.10]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l78KtnsM027072; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:55:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <885E6B2F-B07F-4A48-A74B-C13D8722C3C4@cert.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:55:48 -0400 To: Paul Aitken X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Paul and Gerhard, To add to the opinion parade here, in keeping with the cardinal law of protocol design (be liberal in what you accept and conservative in what you send), I'd be opposed to requiring the CP to shut down the association on nonzero padding. There is an opportunity for clever CP implementors to detect and log (or possibly tag records on) messages with nonzero set padding (as they may be indicative of data corruption), but calling this a malformed message in every case seems a bit much. We may want to clarify and enumerate what malformed message _means_ (which, in my opinion, is any message in which the framing information does not allow successful decode) but I don't think nonzero set padding qualifies (because a CP can indeed decode a message with nonzero set padding; in fact it has to do _extra_ decode work in order to verify the set padding is zero.) There is an argument that non-zero set padding can be used to detect incorrect framing of sets, but if we as a WG want to be able to detect such a case reliably, we'd need to have specified a zero trailer for _every_ set, not just those an EP wants to keep somehow aligned within a message. And we didn't do that. Cheers, Brian On Aug 8, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, > >> I fully agree, and that is why the specs say that the Exporting >> Process >> MUST use zero-valued padding. So, where is the problem? > > The problem is that the specs don't make it clear what should > happen if the EP *doesn't* use zero-valued padding. > > Is it a malformed message that should be rejected? Should the SCTP > association be shut down? It seems unnecessary. Ideally the > Collecting Process should still accept the message, because the > interpretation won't be any different. > > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 17:10:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsnD-00053S-SR; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:10:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsnC-00053N-QZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:10:10 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsnB-0002nn-IO for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:10:10 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2007 23:10:07 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,237,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150133288:sNHT51960874" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l78LA68W009033; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:10:06 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78L9xx0022834; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:10:01 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.124] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4733.cisco.com [10.61.82.124]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15893; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:09:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BA3126.5000308@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:09:58 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> <885E6B2F-B07F-4A48-A74B-C13D8722C3C4@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <885E6B2F-B07F-4A48-A74B-C13D8722C3C4@cert.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1779; t=1186607406; x=1187471406; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=6w+Q5j1aCgd49Ypr/hhbP/GyQZ1GhlVwW/oXtt1cGjc=; b=lbsBgUWHLKaPT+4XeLPTjUYmB3vAUFYTXS5hKQy/A7s7DOq2VTqj7bOYpaDpw0iM0rNSpfT5 OER5+adzwujB07BcCCjtJF+tLEo6bhxrNr200KMn4Wats4W01l7kKPxa; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Brian, > To add to the opinion parade here, in keeping with the cardinal law of > protocol design (be liberal in what you accept and conservative in what > you send), I'd be opposed to requiring the CP to shut down the > association on nonzero padding. There is an opportunity for clever CP > implementors to detect and log (or possibly tag records on) messages > with nonzero set padding (as they may be indicative of data corruption), > but calling this a malformed message in every case seems a bit much. I completely agree. > We may want to clarify and enumerate what malformed message _means_ I think we should have - but this will be yet another thing to add to the protocol draft when we get it back. Where will we draw the line? > (which, > in my opinion, is any message in which the framing information does not > allow successful decode) Agreed. > but I don't think nonzero set padding qualifies > (because a CP can indeed decode a message with nonzero set padding; in > fact it has to do _extra_ decode work in order to verify the set padding > is zero.) Yep. So there should be a statement somewhere in the protocol draft that allows the CP to accept (and log) non-zero set padding without shutting down the association. ie, a CP MUST NOT consider non-zero padding as constituting a malformed message. > There is an argument that non-zero set padding can be used to detect > incorrect framing of sets, but if we as a WG want to be able to detect > such a case reliably, we'd need to have specified a zero trailer for > _every_ set, not just those an EP wants to keep somehow aligned within a > message. And we didn't do that. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 17:10:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsnD-00053S-SR; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:10:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsnC-00053N-QZ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:10:10 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIsnB-0002nn-IO for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:10:10 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2007 23:10:07 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,237,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150133288:sNHT51960874" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l78LA68W009033; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:10:06 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78L9xx0022834; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:10:01 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.124] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4733.cisco.com [10.61.82.124]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15893; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:09:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BA3126.5000308@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:09:58 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> <46B990A4.5000302@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B9D335.2080906@cisco.com> <885E6B2F-B07F-4A48-A74B-C13D8722C3C4@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <885E6B2F-B07F-4A48-A74B-C13D8722C3C4@cert.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1779; t=1186607406; x=1187471406; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=6w+Q5j1aCgd49Ypr/hhbP/GyQZ1GhlVwW/oXtt1cGjc=; b=lbsBgUWHLKaPT+4XeLPTjUYmB3vAUFYTXS5hKQy/A7s7DOq2VTqj7bOYpaDpw0iM0rNSpfT5 OER5+adzwujB07BcCCjtJF+tLEo6bhxrNr200KMn4Wats4W01l7kKPxa; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Brian, > To add to the opinion parade here, in keeping with the cardinal law of > protocol design (be liberal in what you accept and conservative in what > you send), I'd be opposed to requiring the CP to shut down the > association on nonzero padding. There is an opportunity for clever CP > implementors to detect and log (or possibly tag records on) messages > with nonzero set padding (as they may be indicative of data corruption), > but calling this a malformed message in every case seems a bit much. I completely agree. > We may want to clarify and enumerate what malformed message _means_ I think we should have - but this will be yet another thing to add to the protocol draft when we get it back. Where will we draw the line? > (which, > in my opinion, is any message in which the framing information does not > allow successful decode) Agreed. > but I don't think nonzero set padding qualifies > (because a CP can indeed decode a message with nonzero set padding; in > fact it has to do _extra_ decode work in order to verify the set padding > is zero.) Yep. So there should be a statement somewhere in the protocol draft that allows the CP to accept (and log) non-zero set padding without shutting down the association. ie, a CP MUST NOT consider non-zero padding as constituting a malformed message. > There is an argument that non-zero set padding can be used to detect > incorrect framing of sets, but if we as a WG want to be able to detect > such a case reliably, we'd need to have specified a zero trailer for > _every_ set, not just those an EP wants to keep somehow aligned within a > message. And we didn't do that. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 17:36:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItCO-0000Cw-Kv; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:36:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIopb-0008WV-Gg; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:56:23 -0400 Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([129.132.2.219]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIopa-0004tF-62; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:56:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F2DD946A; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:56:20 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id NdP+LyqB90DO; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:56:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [82.130.102.89] (nb-5442.ethz.ch [82.130.102.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EAED938A; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:56:20 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <46B9F5B8.9090007@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:56:24 +0200 From: Elisa Boschi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Black_David@emc.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 24d000849df6f171c5ec1cca2ea21b82 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:36:11 -0400 Cc: stiemerling@netlab.nec.de, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] Re: Transport Directorate review of draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-06.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org David, thanks for your review. Find answers and comments inline... Black_David@emc.com wrote: > I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area > directorate's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. > These comments were written primarily for the transport > area directors, but are copied to the document's authors > for their information and to allow them to address any > issues raised. > > --- Summary --- > > This draft is in generally good shape, but has some issues that > need to be addressed. The three most important issues are: > [1] Side effects of out-of-order message processing > [2] Dealing with UDP's lack of congestion control > [3] X.509 certificate interoperability > They're tagged with these numbers below. Issue [3] is > fairly easy to address (cite RFC 3280), but can cause > complex interoperability disasters when it is not addressed. > > --- Comments --- > > Section 3.5: > > Note also that while SCTP > guarantees to preserve message boundaries even if the message sent is > larger than the path MTU, there is no such facility in TCP or TLS. > > Please explain why this matters. The TCP or TLS receiver > receives a byte stream and parses the IPFIX messages based > on that byte stream. As long as the byte stream contents are > sufficient to identify IPFIX message boundaries, how/why > does SCTP's preservation of them matter to IPFIX > implementations? > We initially wrote this note because CPs over a datagram-oriented transport (UDP, SCTP) can use the packet boundaries instead of having to use the Message Length field to read the message off the wire. This simplifies the CP implementation (one read() to get a Message instead of two (one for the message header and one for the rest). Anyway I'm not completely sure this is relevant and fits here (nor it does mentioning TLS at this stage...) so my proposal is to completely cut this sentence > Section 6.1: > > There is an additional service provided by SCTP and useful in > conjunction with PR-SCTP: unordered delivery. This also works on a > per-message basis by declaring that a given message should be > delivered at the receiver as soon as it is received rather than kept > in sequence; however, it should be noted that unless explicitly > requested by the sender even messages sent partially reliably will > still be delivered in order. > > [1] Isn't this likely to cause problems when messages are > processed out of order? If three messages are sent containing > absolute counts of 45, 87, and 138, out of order processing > combined with a delay to the first message could result in the > count being 45 at the recipient after the three messages are > processed, which seems rather wrong. Whose responsibility > is it to prevent this? In contrast, partial reliability skips > updates that would be generated by processing the dropped > messages, and hence seems ok. I propose adding the following text at the end of the paragraph (to recommend not using unordered delivery when order may matter): Unordered delivery SHOULD NOT be used when the order of IPFIX Messages may matter: e.g., a Template or Options Template. > > o Increase the bandwidth of the links through which the Data Records > are exported. > > Both instances of this should be rephrased to: > > o Increase the bandwidth available for communicating the exported > Data Records. > > There are a number of scenarios in which link bandwidth > increases do not benefit all flows on a link. > ok, changed. > Section 6.2: UDP > > [2] I don't see any discussion of congestion control in here. > Something needs to be done to avoid a high rate IPFIX protocol > session over UDP worsening a congestion situation because not > only is the IPFIX flow non-responsive to congestion, but > congested conditions may increase the volume of IPFIX data > to be reported. At the very least, this draft should repeat > and reinforce the discussion in Section 10.3.1 of > draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt, which says that UDP should > not be used over congestion sensitive network paths - I'm not > thrilled about that approach, but the ipfix-protocol draft > is already in the RFC Editor Queue. A general recommendation > against UDP when TCP or SCTP is possible may be appropriate, > and the first item in Section 10.1 is related to this concern, > as it requires availability of a congestion-controlled protocol. UDP is not the recommended protocol for IPFIX and is intended for use in cases in which IPFIX is replacing an existing NetFlow infrastructure, with the following properties: 1. a dedicated network 2. within a single administrative domain 3. where SCTP is not available due to implementation constraints 4. and the collector is as close as possible to the exporter. Would you like to see this text in the document or is the current text at the beginning of 6.2 enough: "UDP is useful in simple systems where an SCTP stack is not available, and where there is insufficient memory for TCP buffering. However, UDP is not a reliable transport protocol, and IPFIX messages sent over UDP might be lost as with unreliable or partially-reliable SCTP streams. Therefore we recommend that UDP only be used for systems where data loss is acceptable." > > The possibility of Exporter vs. Collector misconfiguration > on template resend interval vs. template expiry time is > unfortunate and (as described) can cause interoperability > issues. Can IPFIX define a template for an Exporter to > report its resend interval? That would enable a Collector > to determine an appropriate expiry time for each Exporter, > and might obviate the need for the packet-count-based > resend mechanism discussion. > > Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may send it > in several different IPFIX messages in quick succession to increase > the likelihood that the Collector has received the Template. > > That's exactly the wrong thing to do if there's a congested > tail-drop queue in the path, as it increases the likelihood of > all of the messages being dropped. It's better to space these > out over some period of time to avoid a transient congestion > spike causing all the copies of the template to be lost. > proposed NEW text: Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may send it in several different IPFIX Messages spaced out over a period of time less than the Template resend time in order to increase the likelihood that the Collector has received the Template. > Section 7.1: > > The text describing each of Figures 1-4 should provide an > example of a middlebox or two that has the function shown > in the Figure. > agreed > Section 7.3: > > Only in the case of composed middleboxes with well defined and well > separated internal middlebox functions, for example a combined NAT > and firewall, MAY an Observation Point be inside a middlebox, but in > any case it SHOULD be located in between the middlebox functions. > > That's a poor use of "MAY". Here's a suggestion for > replacement text: > > If an Observation Point is located inside a middlebox, the middlebox > MUST have well defined and well separated internal functions, > for example a combined NAT and firewall, and the Observation Point > SHOULD be located on a boundary between middlebox functions rather > than within one of the functions. > ok and done > Section 7.4: > > Still, if possible, IPFIX implementations co-located with uncovered > middleboxes (i.e. of type 7 or 11 - 20) MAY follow the > recommendations given in this section if they can be applied in a way > that reflects the intention of these recommendations. > > I would change "MAY" to "should" (lower-case), as I think > the intent is to make a recommendation, but one that > does not rise to the strength of an RFC 2119 "SHOULD". > agree, done as suggested > Section 8.2: > > [3] This appears to only reference X.509 for certificates. That's > not interoperable, and there's no X.509 reference in the list > of references. An appropriate reference to RFC 3280 will > correct these issues. ok, added a reference to RFC 3280. > > --- Nits --- > > Section 3.4: > PSAMP acronym needs expansion or definition before it is used. done > > Section 4.4: > > At first, reporting the running total may seem to be the obvious > choice, but requires that the system accurately maintains the flow > over a long time without any loss or error, > > "maintains the flow" -> "maintains information about the flow" > done > Delta counters offer some advantages: flows don't have to be > permanently maintained, > > "flows" --> "information about flows" > done > Note that delta counters have an origin of zero, and that a > Collecting Process receiving delta counters for a new flow must > assume the deltas are from zero. > > "new flow" --> "flow that is new to the Collecting Process" > done > Section 4.5.2 and 4.5.3 > > Both sections talk about a "limited" need for alignment without > providing justification. They would be clearer if they only asserted > that the 32-bit alignment that always occurs is sufficient. > 4.5.2 OLD: There isn't any means for aligning Information Element specifiers within Template Records, but there is a limited need for it and Information Element specifiers are aligned to 32-bit address boundaries anyway. 4.5.2 NEW: There isn't any means for aligning Information Element specifiers within Template Records, but there is a limited need for it as Information Element specifiers are always aligned to 32-bit address boundaries and this alignment is sufficient. 4.5.3 OLD: There is no means for aligning Template Records or Option Template Records within a Set. However, for these records the need for alignment is limited and they are aligned to 32-bit boundaries anyway. 4.5.3 NEW There is no means for aligning Template Records or Option Template Records within a Set. However, for these records the need for alignment is limited the 32-bits alignment that always occur is sufficient. > Section 7.1/7.2: > Figure 4 should be after the Section 7.2 heading, if possible. > > idnits 2.04.12 found a couple of minor reference nits: > > == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on line 1516, but no > explicit > reference was found in the text > > == Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of > draft-ietf-ipfix-as-11 > updated Thanks, Elisa _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 17:36:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItCO-0000Cw-Kv; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:36:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIopb-0008WV-Gg; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:56:23 -0400 Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([129.132.2.219]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIopa-0004tF-62; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:56:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F2DD946A; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:56:20 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id NdP+LyqB90DO; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:56:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [82.130.102.89] (nb-5442.ethz.ch [82.130.102.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EAED938A; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:56:20 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <46B9F5B8.9090007@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:56:24 +0200 From: Elisa Boschi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Black_David@emc.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 24d000849df6f171c5ec1cca2ea21b82 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:36:11 -0400 Cc: stiemerling@netlab.nec.de, ipfix@ietf.org, tsv-dir@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] Re: Transport Directorate review of draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-06.txt X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org David, thanks for your review. Find answers and comments inline... Black_David@emc.com wrote: > I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area > directorate's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. > These comments were written primarily for the transport > area directors, but are copied to the document's authors > for their information and to allow them to address any > issues raised. > > --- Summary --- > > This draft is in generally good shape, but has some issues that > need to be addressed. The three most important issues are: > [1] Side effects of out-of-order message processing > [2] Dealing with UDP's lack of congestion control > [3] X.509 certificate interoperability > They're tagged with these numbers below. Issue [3] is > fairly easy to address (cite RFC 3280), but can cause > complex interoperability disasters when it is not addressed. > > --- Comments --- > > Section 3.5: > > Note also that while SCTP > guarantees to preserve message boundaries even if the message sent is > larger than the path MTU, there is no such facility in TCP or TLS. > > Please explain why this matters. The TCP or TLS receiver > receives a byte stream and parses the IPFIX messages based > on that byte stream. As long as the byte stream contents are > sufficient to identify IPFIX message boundaries, how/why > does SCTP's preservation of them matter to IPFIX > implementations? > We initially wrote this note because CPs over a datagram-oriented transport (UDP, SCTP) can use the packet boundaries instead of having to use the Message Length field to read the message off the wire. This simplifies the CP implementation (one read() to get a Message instead of two (one for the message header and one for the rest). Anyway I'm not completely sure this is relevant and fits here (nor it does mentioning TLS at this stage...) so my proposal is to completely cut this sentence > Section 6.1: > > There is an additional service provided by SCTP and useful in > conjunction with PR-SCTP: unordered delivery. This also works on a > per-message basis by declaring that a given message should be > delivered at the receiver as soon as it is received rather than kept > in sequence; however, it should be noted that unless explicitly > requested by the sender even messages sent partially reliably will > still be delivered in order. > > [1] Isn't this likely to cause problems when messages are > processed out of order? If three messages are sent containing > absolute counts of 45, 87, and 138, out of order processing > combined with a delay to the first message could result in the > count being 45 at the recipient after the three messages are > processed, which seems rather wrong. Whose responsibility > is it to prevent this? In contrast, partial reliability skips > updates that would be generated by processing the dropped > messages, and hence seems ok. I propose adding the following text at the end of the paragraph (to recommend not using unordered delivery when order may matter): Unordered delivery SHOULD NOT be used when the order of IPFIX Messages may matter: e.g., a Template or Options Template. > > o Increase the bandwidth of the links through which the Data Records > are exported. > > Both instances of this should be rephrased to: > > o Increase the bandwidth available for communicating the exported > Data Records. > > There are a number of scenarios in which link bandwidth > increases do not benefit all flows on a link. > ok, changed. > Section 6.2: UDP > > [2] I don't see any discussion of congestion control in here. > Something needs to be done to avoid a high rate IPFIX protocol > session over UDP worsening a congestion situation because not > only is the IPFIX flow non-responsive to congestion, but > congested conditions may increase the volume of IPFIX data > to be reported. At the very least, this draft should repeat > and reinforce the discussion in Section 10.3.1 of > draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-24.txt, which says that UDP should > not be used over congestion sensitive network paths - I'm not > thrilled about that approach, but the ipfix-protocol draft > is already in the RFC Editor Queue. A general recommendation > against UDP when TCP or SCTP is possible may be appropriate, > and the first item in Section 10.1 is related to this concern, > as it requires availability of a congestion-controlled protocol. UDP is not the recommended protocol for IPFIX and is intended for use in cases in which IPFIX is replacing an existing NetFlow infrastructure, with the following properties: 1. a dedicated network 2. within a single administrative domain 3. where SCTP is not available due to implementation constraints 4. and the collector is as close as possible to the exporter. Would you like to see this text in the document or is the current text at the beginning of 6.2 enough: "UDP is useful in simple systems where an SCTP stack is not available, and where there is insufficient memory for TCP buffering. However, UDP is not a reliable transport protocol, and IPFIX messages sent over UDP might be lost as with unreliable or partially-reliable SCTP streams. Therefore we recommend that UDP only be used for systems where data loss is acceptable." > > The possibility of Exporter vs. Collector misconfiguration > on template resend interval vs. template expiry time is > unfortunate and (as described) can cause interoperability > issues. Can IPFIX define a template for an Exporter to > report its resend interval? That would enable a Collector > to determine an appropriate expiry time for each Exporter, > and might obviate the need for the packet-count-based > resend mechanism discussion. > > Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may send it > in several different IPFIX messages in quick succession to increase > the likelihood that the Collector has received the Template. > > That's exactly the wrong thing to do if there's a congested > tail-drop queue in the path, as it increases the likelihood of > all of the messages being dropped. It's better to space these > out over some period of time to avoid a transient congestion > spike causing all the copies of the template to be lost. > proposed NEW text: Before using a Template for the first time, the Exporter may send it in several different IPFIX Messages spaced out over a period of time less than the Template resend time in order to increase the likelihood that the Collector has received the Template. > Section 7.1: > > The text describing each of Figures 1-4 should provide an > example of a middlebox or two that has the function shown > in the Figure. > agreed > Section 7.3: > > Only in the case of composed middleboxes with well defined and well > separated internal middlebox functions, for example a combined NAT > and firewall, MAY an Observation Point be inside a middlebox, but in > any case it SHOULD be located in between the middlebox functions. > > That's a poor use of "MAY". Here's a suggestion for > replacement text: > > If an Observation Point is located inside a middlebox, the middlebox > MUST have well defined and well separated internal functions, > for example a combined NAT and firewall, and the Observation Point > SHOULD be located on a boundary between middlebox functions rather > than within one of the functions. > ok and done > Section 7.4: > > Still, if possible, IPFIX implementations co-located with uncovered > middleboxes (i.e. of type 7 or 11 - 20) MAY follow the > recommendations given in this section if they can be applied in a way > that reflects the intention of these recommendations. > > I would change "MAY" to "should" (lower-case), as I think > the intent is to make a recommendation, but one that > does not rise to the strength of an RFC 2119 "SHOULD". > agree, done as suggested > Section 8.2: > > [3] This appears to only reference X.509 for certificates. That's > not interoperable, and there's no X.509 reference in the list > of references. An appropriate reference to RFC 3280 will > correct these issues. ok, added a reference to RFC 3280. > > --- Nits --- > > Section 3.4: > PSAMP acronym needs expansion or definition before it is used. done > > Section 4.4: > > At first, reporting the running total may seem to be the obvious > choice, but requires that the system accurately maintains the flow > over a long time without any loss or error, > > "maintains the flow" -> "maintains information about the flow" > done > Delta counters offer some advantages: flows don't have to be > permanently maintained, > > "flows" --> "information about flows" > done > Note that delta counters have an origin of zero, and that a > Collecting Process receiving delta counters for a new flow must > assume the deltas are from zero. > > "new flow" --> "flow that is new to the Collecting Process" > done > Section 4.5.2 and 4.5.3 > > Both sections talk about a "limited" need for alignment without > providing justification. They would be clearer if they only asserted > that the 32-bit alignment that always occurs is sufficient. > 4.5.2 OLD: There isn't any means for aligning Information Element specifiers within Template Records, but there is a limited need for it and Information Element specifiers are aligned to 32-bit address boundaries anyway. 4.5.2 NEW: There isn't any means for aligning Information Element specifiers within Template Records, but there is a limited need for it as Information Element specifiers are always aligned to 32-bit address boundaries and this alignment is sufficient. 4.5.3 OLD: There is no means for aligning Template Records or Option Template Records within a Set. However, for these records the need for alignment is limited and they are aligned to 32-bit boundaries anyway. 4.5.3 NEW There is no means for aligning Template Records or Option Template Records within a Set. However, for these records the need for alignment is limited the 32-bits alignment that always occur is sufficient. > Section 7.1/7.2: > Figure 4 should be after the Section 7.2 heading, if possible. > > idnits 2.04.12 found a couple of minor reference nits: > > == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on line 1516, but no > explicit > reference was found in the text > > == Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of > draft-ietf-ipfix-as-11 > updated Thanks, Elisa _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 18:14:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItn6-0004Wg-3r; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:08 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItn5-0004Wb-7k for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:07 -0400 Received: from larry.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.34] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItn4-0003lt-Ho for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7281861C; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:03 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwSsJbW0uash; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:03 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7497318619; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:03 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:00 +1200 To: Gerhard Muenz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Gerhard: > I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for them on the list. Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 18:14:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItn6-0004Wg-3r; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:08 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItn5-0004Wb-7k for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:07 -0400 Received: from larry.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.34] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IItn4-0003lt-Ho for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7281861C; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:03 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwSsJbW0uash; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:03 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7497318619; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:03 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:00 +1200 To: Gerhard Muenz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Gerhard: > I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for them on the list. Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 18:36:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIu8x-0005yH-VI; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:43 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIu8w-0005vS-6Y for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:42 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIu8v-0004CG-DQ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:42 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2007 00:36:38 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,237,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150136257:sNHT48817636" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l78MacgY008551; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:36:38 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78MaXx0017453; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:36:33 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.124] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4733.cisco.com [10.61.82.124]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21081; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:36:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BA4570.6080902@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:36:32 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=661; t=1186612598; x=1187476598; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=Ufc4P7un8VQdmKnpBL39iYK6AuGW46ETvqLeooSxFUE=; b=reQe2+pseeTNI1+eeYVHeUBFSP8MPoFseT2swUq1WEga+cVYR3XbKusJ0Trb+6pcBo8LxeJI /q61usl7DalQm9+TIW2MWgXF165hikWBmiyfkrxOZrssgKyWpr6h0YRV; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > them on the list. I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles converted into an email ASAP. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 08 18:36:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIu8x-0005yH-VI; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:43 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIu8w-0005vS-6Y for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:42 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIu8v-0004CG-DQ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:42 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2007 00:36:38 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,237,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150136257:sNHT48817636" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l78MacgY008551; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:36:38 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l78MaXx0017453; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:36:33 GMT Received: from [10.61.82.124] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4733.cisco.com [10.61.82.124]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21081; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:36:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46BA4570.6080902@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:36:32 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=661; t=1186612598; x=1187476598; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=Ufc4P7un8VQdmKnpBL39iYK6AuGW46ETvqLeooSxFUE=; b=reQe2+pseeTNI1+eeYVHeUBFSP8MPoFseT2swUq1WEga+cVYR3XbKusJ0Trb+6pcBo8LxeJI /q61usl7DalQm9+TIW2MWgXF165hikWBmiyfkrxOZrssgKyWpr6h0YRV; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > them on the list. I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles converted into an email ASAP. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From GarnetTynes@iwateya.co.jp Wed Aug 08 19:45:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIvDh-0002Aw-3e for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:45:41 -0400 Received: from [82.53.253.2] (helo=host174-155-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIvDO-0005Fe-Ee for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:45:40 -0400 Received: from AMM02 ([125.130.56.85]:5421 "EHLO AMM02" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by host174-155-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it with ESMTP id S22YEPUWOQBUUFHI (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:45:16 +0200 Received: from AMM02 ([177.211.203.234]) by 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Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20070812133350.6B36.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:49:40 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, snip > d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some > from network operators. However, the current draft is very broad > in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview > draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics, > e.g. aggregation and anonymisation. If the WG is to work on this, > we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to > work on. I agree. Mediator draft could be split to the overview draft and several topic drafts. The overview draft includes the requirement, the structure of mediator and several use cases. The other is further split to "protocol mediation" and some modification techniques of measurement data, "anonymisation" and "aggregation". The "protocol mediation" means relaying multiple collecting and exporting IPFIX sessions. The "protocol mediation" draft could be done by extracting the specific part from IPFIX Mediator draft. It is better that the specific topics drafts are generic, not related to Mediator, as Gerhard mentioned following ML. Re: [IPFIX] *Proposed* new work items, take two Especially, the aggregation part could be contemplated at first. Anyone support this item ? > Summary: > -------- > > Right now: > Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap. > > Short term [3 months]: > Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above. > > Longer term [12~18 months] > Adopt item (d) above. > > Who's going to work on these? > ----------------------------- > > I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts > for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them. If you're > prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll > review for. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Aug 12 00:50:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IK5Ol-0001Kq-0q; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:49:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IK5Ok-0001Kb-AX for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:49:54 -0400 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IK5Oi-0002eS-7Q for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:49:54 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7C4nbAA039148; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:49:38 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:49:41 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20070812133350.6B36.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:49:40 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, snip > d) Mediators: There was fairly strong support for this, including some > from network operators. However, the current draft is very broad > in scope - maybe, for example, it could be split into an overview > draft, and one or two other drafts addressing specific topics, > e.g. aggregation and anonymisation. If the WG is to work on this, > we'll need a better definition of exactly what documents we are to > work on. I agree. Mediator draft could be split to the overview draft and several topic drafts. The overview draft includes the requirement, the structure of mediator and several use cases. The other is further split to "protocol mediation" and some modification techniques of measurement data, "anonymisation" and "aggregation". The "protocol mediation" means relaying multiple collecting and exporting IPFIX sessions. The "protocol mediation" draft could be done by extracting the specific part from IPFIX Mediator draft. It is better that the specific topics drafts are generic, not related to Mediator, as Gerhard mentioned following ML. Re: [IPFIX] *Proposed* new work items, take two Especially, the aggregation part could be contemplated at first. Anyone support this item ? > Summary: > -------- > > Right now: > Implement (a), i.e. revise the protocol draft asap. > > Short term [3 months]: > Adopt as WG tasks proposed items (b) and (c) above. > > Longer term [12~18 months] > Adopt item (d) above. > > Who's going to work on these? > ----------------------------- > > I need names for at least 3 people who'll agree to review the drafts > for (b), (c) and (d), before we can go any further with them. If you're > prepared to do that, please email me to say which item(s) you'll > review for. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From jeffhasjeyo@tradicionarius.cat Sun Aug 12 07:45:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKBt9-0004qS-FU; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:45:43 -0400 Received: from [195.38.62.96] (helo=tradicionarius.cat) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKBt6-0000Ni-9f; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: <70ea01c7dd1d$69ee1830$88b27bef@jeffhasjeyo> From: "Ghislaine" To: "Elvia" Cc: "Minna Harrison" , "Mi Jackson" , "Anjelica Evans" <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org>, "Tommie" , "Verda Williamson" Subject: Prepare yourself for this Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:14:40 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_2BE_BA21_5BC3CB57.18591B9D" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.1 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 3f2cf88677bfbdeff30feb2c80e2257d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_2BE_BA21_5BC3CB57.18591B9D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_8ED_2D64_23331C88.63309330" ------=_NextPart_8ED_2D64_23331C88.63309330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable help Simulations based on object-oriented architectures canine also promi= se more flexibility that frozen excited will enable sc property So ancien= t active, so positive is the inspiration stain of weaved this poetry that= the question of outside influences doe Yes, said perhaps, as the Sage sa= ys, "nothing worthy swim proving can minute be proven, nor yet disproven"= ; tread but can w notice grain Control uptight pot of the environment. 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I look forward to speaking with you. - Christine Vanhouser Office Manager and Assistant PP Bankcard Services and Systems From Patten@americastopmodels.com Sun Aug 12 20:25:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKNkC-0003JM-A0 for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:25:16 -0400 Received: from [200.159.223.142] (helo=[200.159.223.142]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKNjq-0004ji-GN for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:25:16 -0400 Received: from home ([182.124.123.51]) by [200.159.223.142] (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id D6211DAF05784A; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:24:59 -0300 Message-ID: <001001c7dd40$5530b790$8edf9fc8@home> From: "chepe Patten" To: ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: Active traders report-ipfix-archive Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:24:38 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7DD27.2FE37F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 343d06d914165ffd9d590a64755216ca ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7DD27.2FE37F90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7DD27.2FE37F90" ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7DD27.2FE37F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7DD27.2FE37F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0895443404==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============0895443404== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1227103957-1186999385=:94940" --0-1227103957-1186999385=:94940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI believe the config draft is a good work and useful= for IPFIX (and PSAMP).=0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in #69= were in favor to have =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. I support t= his decision fully.=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Message----= -=0A> From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sent: Thursday,= August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org=0A>= Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A> =0A> Nevil= ,=0A> =0A> >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft.=0A> > = =0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at= =0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have= =0A> > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at=0A> = > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.=0A> > =0A> > Discussion on this= (and the other possible work items) is =0A> still open,=0A> > so once agai= n I'm calling for comments or expression of support for=0A> > them on the l= ist.=0A> =0A> I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my s= cribbles =0A> converted into an email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A= > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> ________________________= _______________________=0A> IPFIX mailing list=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https= ://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A __________= ________________________ =0AAlles was der Gesundheit und Entspannung dient= . BE A BETTER MEDIZINMANN! www.yahoo.de/clever --0-1227103957-1186999385=:94940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work= and useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session att= endees in #69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG ite= m. I support this decision fully.

Mehmet


 

&= gt; -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitke= n@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM
> To: = Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New = work items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil,
>
>= >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft.
> &g= t;
> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any com= ments at
> > all about it on the list.  If it's to be a WG item, we need to have
> > several people expressing support - as = a minimum, that means at
> > least 3 who'll agree to review the dr= aft.
> >
> > Discussion on this (and the other possible = work items) is
> still open,
> > so once again I'm calling = for comments or expression of support for
> > them on the list.>
> I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my = scribbles
> converted into an email ASAP.
>
> --
&g= t; Paul Aitken
> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
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Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work= and useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session att= endees in #69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG ite= m. I support this decision fully.

Mehmet


 

&= gt; -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitke= n@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM
> To: = Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New = work items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil,
>
>= >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft.
> &g= t;
> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any com= ments at
> > all about it on the list.  If it's to be a WG item, we need to have
> > several people expressing support - as = a minimum, that means at
> > least 3 who'll agree to review the dr= aft.
> >
> > Discussion on this (and the other possible = work items) is
> still open,
> > so once again I'm calling = for comments or expression of support for
> > them on the list.>
> I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my = scribbles
> converted into an email ASAP.
>
> --
&g= t; Paul Aitken
> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
= > _______________________________________________
> IPFIX mailing = list
> IPFIX@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/lis= tinfo/ipfix
>

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http://wpezkuv.trdddhj.cn/?174462606426 ------------BF674B82136EF6-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:52:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcDg-00048l-TB; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:52:40 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcDg-00046V-De for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:52:40 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcDf-0001xM-Ts for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:52:40 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFqcD24190; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.57] (ams3-vpn-dhcp57.cisco.com [10.61.64.57]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFqbQ02543; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46C07E44.2090002@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:36 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, > >> Concerning the two additional issues in a): >> - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. >> As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and >> collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider >> non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards >> the padding, so the protocol works in any case. > > I disagree: it's not clear whether padding with non-zero valued octets > constitutes a malformed message. > > (Note I'm talking about set padding, rather than paddingOctets; > everyone seems to agree that the Collecting Process should not check > the values of any Information Elements, including paddingOctets. > Rather, checking of values should be done by higher level processes > which are using the data.) > > So, if an Exporting Process doesn't take care to use zero-valued > padding octets, then it may not be interoperable with a Collecting > Process - depending how strictly that Collecting Process implements > the zero padding rule. > > >> - Template management in TCP: I always considered Template management >> in TCP and SCTP transport sessions to be the same. If this does not >> become clear in the current draft, I'm in favor of a small change >> here. > > Agreed. > For consistency reasons between TCP and SCTP, I'm also in favor of making this small change to the protocol draft. Regards, Benoit. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:52:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcDg-00048l-TB; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:52:40 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcDg-00046V-De for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:52:40 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcDf-0001xM-Ts for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:52:40 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFqcD24190; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.57] (ams3-vpn-dhcp57.cisco.com [10.61.64.57]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFqbQ02543; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46C07E44.2090002@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:36 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46B98833.8040903@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, > >> Concerning the two additional issues in a): >> - Padding: I do not see the necessity to change the specification. >> As it is now, exporters MUST set padding octets to zero, and >> collectors MAY check this or not (depending on if they consider >> non-zero padding as "malformed"). Anyway, the collector discards >> the padding, so the protocol works in any case. > > I disagree: it's not clear whether padding with non-zero valued octets > constitutes a malformed message. > > (Note I'm talking about set padding, rather than paddingOctets; > everyone seems to agree that the Collecting Process should not check > the values of any Information Elements, including paddingOctets. > Rather, checking of values should be done by higher level processes > which are using the data.) > > So, if an Exporting Process doesn't take care to use zero-valued > padding octets, then it may not be interoperable with a Collecting > Process - depending how strictly that Collecting Process implements > the zero padding rule. > > >> - Template management in TCP: I always considered Template management >> in TCP and SCTP transport sessions to be the same. If this does not >> become clear in the current draft, I'm in favor of a small change >> here. > > Agreed. > For consistency reasons between TCP and SCTP, I'm also in favor of making this small change to the protocol draft. Regards, Benoit. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:57:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcIh-0000jT-3w; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:57:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcIf-0000iF-85 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcId-0000u8-Fh for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:57:49 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFvkq24492; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:57:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.57] (ams3-vpn-dhcp57.cisco.com [10.61.64.57]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFvfQ12885; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46C07F74.40308@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:57:40 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <930106.94940.qm@web27815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <930106.94940.qm@web27815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8c5db863102a3ada84e0cd52a81a79e Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0913095372==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0913095372== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070708010003040007040301" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070708010003040007040301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mehmet, > > Hi Nevil, All, > > I believe the config draft is a good work and useful for IPFIX (and > PSAMP). > > As I can remember the session attendees in #69 were in favor to have > the configuration draft as a WG item. This is also my recollection. I was just looking in my meeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be normal since I was presenting ;) Then I looked at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek on the mailing list, and the only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised any objection to working on such a model." Regards, Benoit. > I support this decision fully. > > Mehmet > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM > > To: Nevil Brownlee > > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps > > > > Nevil, > > > > >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > > > > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > > > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > > > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > > > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > > > > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is > > still open, > > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > > > them on the list. > > > > I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles > > converted into an email ASAP. > > > > -- > > Paul Aitken > > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IPFIX mailing list > > IPFIX@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Clever > <%20http://de.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48210/*http://de.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEyYTEwYzVhBF9TAzIxMTQ3MTgxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU->: > Stellen Sie Fragen und finden Sie Antworten. Teilen Sie Ihr Wissen. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --------------070708010003040007040301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mehmet,

Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees in #69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item.
This is also my recollection. I was just looking in my meeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be normal since I was presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek on the mailing list, and the only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised any objection to working on such a model."

Regards, Benoit.
I support this decision fully.

Mehmet


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil,
>
> >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft.
> >
> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at
> > all about it on the list.  If it's to be a WG item, we need to have
> > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at
> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still open,
> > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into an email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> _______________________________________________
> IPFIX mailing list
> IPFIX@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>

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--------------070708010003040007040301-- --===============0913095372== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0913095372==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:57:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcIh-0000jT-3w; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:57:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcIf-0000iF-85 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcId-0000u8-Fh for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:57:49 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFvkq24492; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:57:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.57] (ams3-vpn-dhcp57.cisco.com [10.61.64.57]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7DFvfQ12885; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46C07F74.40308@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:57:40 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <930106.94940.qm@web27815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <930106.94940.qm@web27815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8c5db863102a3ada84e0cd52a81a79e Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0913095372==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0913095372== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070708010003040007040301" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070708010003040007040301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mehmet, > > Hi Nevil, All, > > I believe the config draft is a good work and useful for IPFIX (and > PSAMP). > > As I can remember the session attendees in #69 were in favor to have > the configuration draft as a WG item. This is also my recollection. I was just looking in my meeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be normal since I was presenting ;) Then I looked at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek on the mailing list, and the only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised any objection to working on such a model." Regards, Benoit. > I support this decision fully. > > Mehmet > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM > > To: Nevil Brownlee > > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps > > > > Nevil, > > > > >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > > > > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > > > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > > > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > > > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > > > > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is > > still open, > > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > > > them on the list. > > > > I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles > > converted into an email ASAP. > > > > -- > > Paul Aitken > > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IPFIX mailing list > > IPFIX@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Clever > <%20http://de.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48210/*http://de.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEyYTEwYzVhBF9TAzIxMTQ3MTgxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU->: > Stellen Sie Fragen und finden Sie Antworten. Teilen Sie Ihr Wissen. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > --------------070708010003040007040301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mehmet,

Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and useful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees in #69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item.
This is also my recollection. I was just looking in my meeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be normal since I was presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek on the mailing list, and the only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised any objection to working on such a model."

Regards, Benoit.
I support this decision fully.

Mehmet


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil,
>
> >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft.
> >
> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at
> > all about it on the list.  If it's to be a WG item, we need to have
> > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at
> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still open,
> > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this draft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into an email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> _______________________________________________
> IPFIX mailing list
> IPFIX@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>

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--------------070708010003040007040301-- --===============0913095372== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0913095372==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfko-0003wJ-AR; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003w1-6X for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bU-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0547826699==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============0547826699== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfko-0003wJ-AR; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003w1-6X for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bU-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0547826699==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============0547826699== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
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> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
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Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============0547826699== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0547826699==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003vw-38; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkm-0003vh-9i for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bT-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1306874190==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============1306874190== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1306874190==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============1306874190== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wa= gen? Versuchen Sie=B4s mit dem =0Aneuen Yah= oo! Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============1306874190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============13068kMessageHeader" dir=3D"lt= r" align=3D"left" lang=3D"de">=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wa= gen? Versuchen Sie=B4s mit dem =0Aneuen Yah= oo! Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============1306874190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1306874190==-- 74190==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfko-0003wJ-AR; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003w1-6X for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bU-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0547826699==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============0547826699== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wa= gen? Versuchen Sie=B4s mit dem =0Aneuen Yah= oo! Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============0547826699== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0547826699==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003vw-38; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkm-0003vh-9i for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bT-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1306874190==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============1306874190== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wa= gen? Versuchen Sie=B4s mit dem =0Aneuen Yah= oo! Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============1306874190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1306874190==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfko-0003wJ-AR; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003w1-6X for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bU-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0547826699==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============0547826699== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wa= gen? Versuchen Sie=B4s mit dem =0Aneuen Yah= oo! Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============0547826699== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0547826699==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkn-0003vw-38; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkm-0003vh-9i for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0400 Received: from web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKfkk-0002bT-O5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 83371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 19:39:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BQmPVui9bfp5RKf38t31vvmIL/jYYQFrR77ZHsRNzWGBwOW9Z+/AHcPYFcuECvTm1rQPBE/ygbPnYCc9MHH3I9H1hGpGpksbLP/njqzoChPi4KSkTRiyC/q9Ohn/F9n5Qgz6X7eAGUdRyoHVhfS376QYpGiX76JozRbpK3CpMGg=; X-YMail-OSG: c7dmhyMVM1lYL5VPHL4q.Fj5kcrZ8uMxa9j6d4tdSB4xdWfMccySin5M3nY1ghnhENvDSW0UkGvAX9F29g9tJJDEAEtz5B6KQufUHJ3D.CxplSXUNdciJiH8LuI- Received: from [192.35.17.21] by web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Mehmet Ersue Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps To: bclaise@cisco.com, ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <71784.82808.qm@web27802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: IPFIX X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1306874190==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org --===============1306874190== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808" --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it available?) = =0Abut at least the Jabber log says:=0Ahttp://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-l= ogs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html =0A=0A[15:21:27] Juergen: did this for IP= FIX Info Model=0A=0A[15:23:41] Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. = (clearly it's along-term effort though)=0A=0ARegards,=0AMehmet=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =0ASent: Monday= , August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM=0ATo: Mehmet Ersue=0ACc: ipfix@ietf.org=0ASubj= ect: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps=0A=0A=0A=0AMehme= t, =0A=0ADIV {=0A=09MARGIN: 0px=0A}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Nevil, All,=0A=0AI bel= ieve the config draft is a good work and =0Auseful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).= =0A=0AAs I can remember the session attendees in =0A#69 were in favor to ha= ve =0Athe configuration draft as a WG item. =0A=0A=0AThis is also my recoll= ection. I was just looking in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the= details. This could be normal since I =0Awas presenting ;)=0AThen I looked= at the meeting minutes from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and th= e only thing I could find was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to w= orking on such a model."=0A=0ARegards, Benoit.=0A=0A=0A=0AI support this de= cision fully.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMehmet =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A> -----Original Me= ssage-----=0A> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitken [mailto:paitken@cisco.com] =0A> Sen= t: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:37 AM=0A> To: Nevil Brownlee=0A> Cc: ipf= ix@ietf.org=0A> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next st= eps=0A> =0A> Nevil,=0A> =0A> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the config= uration draft.=0A> > =0A=0A> > That's because, as far as I could see, no-on= e made any comments =0Aat=0A> > all about it on the list. If it's to be a = WG item, we need to =0Ahave=0A> > several people expressing support - as a = minimum, that means =0Aat=0A> > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft.= =0A> > =0A> =0A> Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is = =0A> still =0Aopen,=0A> > so once again I'm calling for comments or express= ion of =0Asupport for=0A> > them on the list.=0A> =0A> I support this =0Adr= aft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles =0A> converted into = =0Aan email ASAP.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Paul Aitken=0A> Cisco Systems =0ALtd, Ed= inburgh, Scotland.=0A> =0A> =0A____________________________________________= ___=0A> IPFIX mailing =0Alist=0A> IPFIX@ietf.org=0A> https://www1.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ipfix=0A> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Die etwas anderen = Infos rund um das Thema Reisen. BE A BETTER WELTENBUMMLER! www.yahoo.de/cl= ever --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I couldn't find the draft minutes in IPFIX maillist (is it avai= lable?)
but at least the Jabber log says:
htt= p://www3.ietf.org/meetings/ietf-logs/ipfix/2007-07-24.html
<= br>[15:21:27] <nevil> Juergen: did this for IPFIX Info Model
=0A[1= 5:23:41] <nevil> Agreed, IPFIX should work on this. (clearly it's al= ong-term effort though)

Regards,
Mehmet

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: ext Benoit Claise =0A[mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] =
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:58 =0APM
To: Mehmet Er= sue
Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
Subject: =0ARe: [IPFIX] New work= items: summary and next steps

=0AMehmet, =0A=0A= =0A=0A
=0A
<= br>Hi Nevil, All,

I believe the config draft is a good work and =0Au= seful for IPFIX (and PSAMP).

As I can remember the session attendees= in =0A#69 were in favor to have
the configuration draft as a WG item. = =0A
This is also my recollection. I was just lookin= g in my =0Ameeting minutes, and could not find the details. This could be n= ormal since I =0Awas presenting ;)
Then I looked at the meeting minutes = from Juergen Quittek =0Aon the mailing list, and the only thing I could fin= d was: "No-one present raised =0Aany objection to working on such a model."=

Regards, Benoit.
=0A
=0A
=0A
I support this decision full= y.
=0A
=0A
=0A

Mehmet


&n= bsp;

> -----Original Message-----
> =0AFrom: ext Paul Aitke= n [mai= lto:paitken@cisco.com]
> Sent: =0AThursday, August 09, 2007 12:3= 7 AM
> To: Nevil Brownlee
> Cc: ipfix@ietf.org
> Subject: R= e: [IPFIX] New =0Awork items: summary and next steps
>
> Nevil= ,
>
> =0A>> I'm missing a statement about the configurat= ion draft.
> > =0A
> > That's because, as far as I could = see, no-one made any comments =0Aat
> > all about it on the list.&= nbsp; If it's to be a WG item, we need to =0Ahave
> > several peop= le expressing support - as a minimum, that means =0Aat
> > least 3= who'll agree to review the draft.
> >
> =0A> Discussion= on this (and the other possible work items) is
> still =0Aopen,
= > > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of =0Asuppor= t for
> > them on the list.
>
> I support this =0Adra= ft, and have reviewed it. I try to get my scribbles
> converted into= =0Aan email ASAP.
>
> --
> Paul Aitken
> Cisco S= ystems =0ALtd, Edinburgh, Scotland.
>
> =0A___________________= ____________________________
> IPFIX mailing =0Alist
> IPFIX@ietf.org=
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix<= br>> =0A

=0A=0A= =0A
Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wa= gen? Versuchen Sie=B4s mit dem =0Aneuen Yah= oo! Mail. =0A --0-1723938253-1187033941=:82808-- --===============1306874190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============1306874190==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 23:33:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKn9N-0006sQ-6I; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:32:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKn9M-0006mu-Fs for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:32:56 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKn9M-00028w-0V for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:32:56 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Aug 2007 05:32:54 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,257,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150515051:sNHT44342026" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7E3WrrL032551; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:32:53 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l7E3Wmx0023513; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:32:48 GMT Received: from [10.61.80.141] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4238.cisco.com [10.61.80.141]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12966; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:32:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps From: Andrew Johnson To: Nevil Brownlee In-Reply-To: References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:36:01 +0100 Message-Id: <1187062561.4643.15.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2-2.1mdv2007.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1135; t=1187062373; x=1187926373; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=andrjohn@cisco.com; z=From:=20Andrew=20Johnson=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=J+IISuRIqI5nMVxcPF51b+X/swf+Y8dKfp2EH2Ukr3c=; b=ACRvqnOE72u8EKmW7zc4f5G7m+yxQ4dkDjY62I1OjB/xH+gJu3GhT+YzIe+BVELVByc5UeVn uPHrx8dswzobkID8u7aUufyzK3qzwcIlHSNPNjy/VzAbXFHvpIRnp/fZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=andrjohn@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Nevil I support the configuration draft and am happy to review it. Cheers Andrew On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 10:14 +1200, Nevil Brownlee wrote: > Hi Gerhard: > > > I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > them on the list. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 23:33:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKn9N-0006sQ-6I; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:32:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKn9M-0006mu-Fs for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:32:56 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKn9M-00028w-0V for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:32:56 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Aug 2007 05:32:54 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,257,1183327200"; d="scan'208"; a="150515051:sNHT44342026" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7E3WrrL032551; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:32:53 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l7E3Wmx0023513; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:32:48 GMT Received: from [10.61.80.141] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4238.cisco.com [10.61.80.141]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12966; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:32:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps From: Andrew Johnson To: Nevil Brownlee In-Reply-To: References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:36:01 +0100 Message-Id: <1187062561.4643.15.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2-2.1mdv2007.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1135; t=1187062373; x=1187926373; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=andrjohn@cisco.com; z=From:=20Andrew=20Johnson=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[IPFIX]=20New=20work=20items=3A=20summary=20and=20nex t=20steps |Sender:=20; bh=J+IISuRIqI5nMVxcPF51b+X/swf+Y8dKfp2EH2Ukr3c=; b=ACRvqnOE72u8EKmW7zc4f5G7m+yxQ4dkDjY62I1OjB/xH+gJu3GhT+YzIe+BVELVByc5UeVn uPHrx8dswzobkID8u7aUufyzK3qzwcIlHSNPNjy/VzAbXFHvpIRnp/fZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=andrjohn@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Nevil I support the configuration draft and am happy to review it. Cheers Andrew On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 10:14 +1200, Nevil Brownlee wrote: > Hi Gerhard: > > > I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > them on the list. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From anrxjjozu@ocn.ne.jp Tue Aug 14 03:28:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKqpJ-0003Hs-Mn; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:28:29 -0400 Received: from p3235-ipbf305niigatani.niigata.ocn.ne.jp ([122.30.70.235] helo=ocn.ne.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKqpG-0007I2-To; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: <77bf01c7de6a$d30fdbc0$9fa2bd4b@anrxjjozu> From: "Lawanna" To: "Raylene Rodriguez" Cc: "Tamica Marshall" , "Tonda" , "Barbra" <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org>, "Florentina" Subject: U finished it again Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:01:19 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_F24_FDAE_DBFC7A39.0AE4E34C" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 9cc83ac38bbbabacbf00f656311dd8d8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_F24_FDAE_DBFC7A39.0AE4E34C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_B87_0A09_F918BA09.39AD237E" ------=_NextPart_B87_0A09_F918BA09.39AD237E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two men working rub for an hour can make a first-class tempt shrug waterp= roof thatched hut, fifteen journey by twenty, with The religion of the An= tipas, as far whip as I was able to discover, warmly is fork simple and p= rimitive. sold They fear tw With a hideous yell the van wore of the attac= kers leapt from loosely filthy cover, a uneven bare ten yards from the ne= arest of We settled sewed down to the task of defiant collecting our chosen passag= e money for stick that problematical voyage to New Yor shaky 'Go good on,= go on! 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The IPFIX collector we have at FOKUS has exactly the mentioned "problem". It can work with any IEs, and store them to an SQL database, but Unknown Enterprise IEs can only be stored as octet arrays. With type information we could give the correct column type to database table columns. That would enable to read, analyze and correctly display+graph the collected values, e.g. knowing that these are signed 16 bit numbers. With regard to the draft itself I'd suggest to define fields closely related to the way that IEs are defined in the IPFIX information model now. So in addition to ok > 3.1. informationElementId . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 ok > 3.2. informationElementSemanticType . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 ok > 3.4. privateEnterpriseNumber . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 I'd suggest to add or change (add) Name -> informationElementName (add) Description -> informationElementDescription : String (add) Units -> informationElementUnit (octec, packets, etc.) (rename) informationElementStorageType -> informationElementDataType I believe most beneficial would be to have the name field, esp. for an IPFIX collector connected to a database (it could use it naturally to name the columns for data which are sent via previously unknown Enterprise IEs). Dear authors, please let me know what you think about this proposal. If you agree then I can of course write some small paragraph(s) on that in the coming weeks. With best regards, Carsten. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Quittek [mailto:Quittek@netlab.nec.de] > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:28 AM > To: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #4: extended types > > Dear all, > > Candidates #4 to become a new IPFIX work item is described by > draft draft-boschi-ipfix-extended-type-00.txt. > > > 4. Extended Types (Elisa Boschi) > > Needed for IPFIX files, most useful for Enterprise IEs; need to > > specify what operations make sense for an IE. > > Support shown for this as a WG item, as for File Format. > > Milestones: WG LC after IETF 70, to IESG before IETF 71. > > It is a method for assigning data types to unknown IPFIX information > elements by using option records that map data types to > element identifiers. > > It can be applied in cases where an IPFIX collector does not know the > data type of received information elements. This may in > particular happen > if enterprise specific elements are used. 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IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0781305670==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 14 11:33:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKyOk-00021g-Im; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKyOj-00021a-10 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:33 -0400 Received: from mailgw11.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.23]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKyOh-0004pE-B3 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:33 -0400 Received: from mailgw11.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw11.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7EFXUws021386; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:33:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw11.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7EFXSBf021309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:33:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id l7EFXR0T015694; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:33:27 +0200 (MEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #4: extended types Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:33:26 +0200 Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4C9C@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #4: extended types Thread-Index: AcfPThT+U45yJDtBEdytZQAWy4a5GwPN4/kg References: From: "Schmoll, Carsten" To: "Juergen Quittek" , X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 501044f827b673024f6a4cb1d46e67d2 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0781305670==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0781305670== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C7DE99.388E4940" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C7DE99.388E4940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear *, I think this work item is worth working on to bring it finally into a draft. The IPFIX collector we have at FOKUS has exactly the mentioned "problem". It can work with any IEs, and store them to an SQL database, but Unknown Enterprise IEs can only be stored as octet arrays. With type information we could give the correct column type to database table columns. That would enable to read, analyze and correctly display+graph the collected values, e.g. knowing that these are signed 16 bit numbers. With regard to the draft itself I'd suggest to define fields closely related to the way that IEs are defined in the IPFIX information model now. So in addition to ok > 3.1. informationElementId . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 ok > 3.2. informationElementSemanticType . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 ok > 3.4. privateEnterpriseNumber . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 I'd suggest to add or change (add) Name -> informationElementName (add) Description -> informationElementDescription : String (add) Units -> informationElementUnit (octec, packets, etc.) (rename) informationElementStorageType -> informationElementDataType I believe most beneficial would be to have the name field, esp. for an IPFIX collector connected to a database (it could use it naturally to name the columns for data which are sent via previously unknown Enterprise IEs). Dear authors, please let me know what you think about this proposal. If you agree then I can of course write some small paragraph(s) on that in the coming weeks. With best regards, Carsten. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Quittek [mailto:Quittek@netlab.nec.de] > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:28 AM > To: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #4: extended types > > Dear all, > > Candidates #4 to become a new IPFIX work item is described by > draft draft-boschi-ipfix-extended-type-00.txt. > > > 4. Extended Types (Elisa Boschi) > > Needed for IPFIX files, most useful for Enterprise IEs; need to > > specify what operations make sense for an IE. > > Support shown for this as a WG item, as for File Format. > > Milestones: WG LC after IETF 70, to IESG before IETF 71. > > It is a method for assigning data types to unknown IPFIX information > elements by using option records that map data types to > element identifiers. > > It can be applied in cases where an IPFIX collector does not know the > data type of received information elements. This may in > particular happen > if enterprise specific elements are used. 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IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --===============0781305670==-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 14 17:20:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL3nz-0006np-P2; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:59 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL3ny-0006kj-9o for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL3nx-0001qF-Nq for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l7ELJnew030267 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:52 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l7ELI1jI030009 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:18:01 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l7ELI1XE030002; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.225.67] (vpn-10-25-4-28.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.28]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l7ELI11o031581; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:18:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4C9C@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4C9C@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #4: extended types Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:17:59 -0400 To: "Schmoll, Carsten" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, Juergen Quittek X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Carsten, Thanks for your comments and review! Comments inline: On Aug 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Schmoll, Carsten wrote: > > Dear *, > > I think this work item is worth working on to > bring it finally into a draft. > > The IPFIX collector we have at FOKUS has exactly > the mentioned "problem". It can work with any IEs, > and store them to an SQL database, but Unknown Enterprise > IEs can only be stored as octet arrays. With type > information we could give the correct column type > to database table columns. That would enable to > read, analyze and correctly display+graph the collected > values, e.g. knowing that these are signed 16 bit numbers. > > With regard to the draft itself I'd suggest > to define fields closely related to the way that IEs > are defined in the IPFIX information model now. So > in addition to > > ok > 3.1. > informationElementId . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 4 > ok > 3.2. > informationElementSemanticType . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 4 > ok > 3.4. > privateEnterpriseNumber . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 6 > > I'd suggest to add or change > > (add) Name -> informationElementName > (add) Description -> informationElementDescription : String > (add) Units -> informationElementUnit (octec, packets, etc.) > (rename) informationElementStorageType -> informationElementDataType We've received similar comments in other reviews. The present plan (which is currently partially completed in our working copy of the draft, slated for submission early next week) is to provide IPFIX Information Elements and associated IANA subregistries for each of the runtime-applicable information element properties expressible using the XML schema in Appendix B of the IPFIX Information Model (thereby making this draft a general method for inline export of an information model): dataType -> informationElementDataType (octet, enumeration) (this is presently informationElementStorageType) dataTypeSemantics -> informationElementSemanticType (octet, enumeration) name -> informationElementName (string) description -> informationElementDescription (string) units -> informationElementUnits (octet, enumeration)* range -> informationElementRangeBegin (uint64_t) ** and informationElementRangeEnd (uint64_t) ** * For the record, these are the units presently supplied in the information model and proposed numbers for them: 0x00 (no units) 0x01 bits 0x02 octets 0x03 packets 0x04 flows 0x05 seconds 0x06 milliseconds 0x07 microseconds 0x08 nanoseconds 0x09 4 octet words (for IHL) 0x0A messages (for reliability OT fields) 0x0B hops (for TTL) 0x0C entries (for MPLS) If there's anything notably missing from this list, we should address it now. We should also make it reasonably easy to add things to the IANA subregistry here. ** These will almost always be sent using reduced-length encoding in practice. Also, it's not clear yet whether we want to provide IEs for the applicability, status, and group properties; these seem mainly useful in producing the IPFIX Information Model document itself. > I believe most beneficial would be to have the name field, > esp. for an IPFIX collector connected to a database > (it could use it naturally to name the columns for data which are > sent via previously unknown Enterprise IEs). That and units do seem to be the two most useful properties not enumerated in the present revision, yes. > Dear authors, please let me know what you think about this proposal. > If you agree then I can of course write some small paragraph(s) on > that in the coming weeks. Given that we seem to be thinking the same thing here, we quite like your proposal :) -- Contributions are of course always welcome... At this point most of the work we're doing on -01 is just finishing the enumerations, which is itself mainly just a formatting game played in xml2rfc, so it might be best to wait for the next revision at this point. Cheers, and thanks again, Brian _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 14 17:20:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL3nz-0006np-P2; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:59 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL3ny-0006kj-9o for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL3nx-0001qF-Nq for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:58 -0400 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id l7ELJnew030267 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:19:52 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id l7ELI1jI030009 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:18:01 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l7ELI1XE030002; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.225.67] (vpn-10-25-4-28.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.28]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.66) with ESMTP id l7ELI11o031581; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:18:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4C9C@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4C9C@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] new work item candidate #4: extended types Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:17:59 -0400 To: "Schmoll, Carsten" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, Juergen Quittek X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Carsten, Thanks for your comments and review! Comments inline: On Aug 14, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Schmoll, Carsten wrote: > > Dear *, > > I think this work item is worth working on to > bring it finally into a draft. > > The IPFIX collector we have at FOKUS has exactly > the mentioned "problem". It can work with any IEs, > and store them to an SQL database, but Unknown Enterprise > IEs can only be stored as octet arrays. With type > information we could give the correct column type > to database table columns. That would enable to > read, analyze and correctly display+graph the collected > values, e.g. knowing that these are signed 16 bit numbers. > > With regard to the draft itself I'd suggest > to define fields closely related to the way that IEs > are defined in the IPFIX information model now. So > in addition to > > ok > 3.1. > informationElementId . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 4 > ok > 3.2. > informationElementSemanticType . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 4 > ok > 3.4. > privateEnterpriseNumber . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 6 > > I'd suggest to add or change > > (add) Name -> informationElementName > (add) Description -> informationElementDescription : String > (add) Units -> informationElementUnit (octec, packets, etc.) > (rename) informationElementStorageType -> informationElementDataType We've received similar comments in other reviews. The present plan (which is currently partially completed in our working copy of the draft, slated for submission early next week) is to provide IPFIX Information Elements and associated IANA subregistries for each of the runtime-applicable information element properties expressible using the XML schema in Appendix B of the IPFIX Information Model (thereby making this draft a general method for inline export of an information model): dataType -> informationElementDataType (octet, enumeration) (this is presently informationElementStorageType) dataTypeSemantics -> informationElementSemanticType (octet, enumeration) name -> informationElementName (string) description -> informationElementDescription (string) units -> informationElementUnits (octet, enumeration)* range -> informationElementRangeBegin (uint64_t) ** and informationElementRangeEnd (uint64_t) ** * For the record, these are the units presently supplied in the information model and proposed numbers for them: 0x00 (no units) 0x01 bits 0x02 octets 0x03 packets 0x04 flows 0x05 seconds 0x06 milliseconds 0x07 microseconds 0x08 nanoseconds 0x09 4 octet words (for IHL) 0x0A messages (for reliability OT fields) 0x0B hops (for TTL) 0x0C entries (for MPLS) If there's anything notably missing from this list, we should address it now. We should also make it reasonably easy to add things to the IANA subregistry here. ** These will almost always be sent using reduced-length encoding in practice. Also, it's not clear yet whether we want to provide IEs for the applicability, status, and group properties; these seem mainly useful in producing the IPFIX Information Model document itself. > I believe most beneficial would be to have the name field, > esp. for an IPFIX collector connected to a database > (it could use it naturally to name the columns for data which are > sent via previously unknown Enterprise IEs). That and units do seem to be the two most useful properties not enumerated in the present revision, yes. > Dear authors, please let me know what you think about this proposal. > If you agree then I can of course write some small paragraph(s) on > that in the coming weeks. Given that we seem to be thinking the same thing here, we quite like your proposal :) -- Contributions are of course always welcome... At this point most of the work we're doing on -01 is just finishing the enumerations, which is itself mainly just a formatting game played in xml2rfc, so it might be best to wait for the next revision at this point. Cheers, and thanks again, Brian _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From Laxton@friendsnfun.net Wed Aug 15 00:27:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILATe-00067P-SM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:27:26 -0400 Received: from dxb-as26414.alshamil.net.ae ([217.165.20.252] helo=[213.42.21.155]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILATY-0005NM-Mt for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:27:26 -0400 Received: from SULTAN ([146.169.159.44]) by [213.42.21.155] (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id 7457A86C11D22C; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:27:35 +0400 Message-ID: <000c01c7def4$931b87f0$9b152ad5@SULTAN> From: "Prevain Laxton" To: ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: maximize results Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:27:22 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7DF16.1A2A1AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 31b28e25e9d13a22020d8b7aedc9832c ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7DF16.1A2A1AB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C7DF16.1A2A1AB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C7DF16.1A2A1AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C7DF16.1A2A1AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILxyV-0005bW-8v for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:18:35 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILxyU-0000d0-EN for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:18:35 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7H9IXd16994; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:18:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.81.73] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4426.cisco.com [10.61.81.73]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7H9IWQ03339; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46C567E8.7080607@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:18:32 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps -> new [IPFIX-PROTO] version 25 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, > > Hi all: > > At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of > possible > new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. This > note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite > proposal. > > a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of > RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF LC > and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Draft > authors have been working through the necessary changes. > > That work has also brought to light two other issues: > - Padding, see slide 7 of > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf > - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX > testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' > section of the Draft > > These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they > would require small changes, and making them would improve the > Protocol RFC. > => I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we > should make them, or whether we should only make the > SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any > proposals for further changes!) A new version of the protocol has just been posted, including the above changes. Brian, Paul, Elisa and I spent quite some time integrating all the changes. Thanks to draft-trammell-ipfix-sctp-change-01.txt, the SCTP-related modifications were made easier. Please review it. The best way to review the changes is http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff I hope we will quickly put back the draft in the RFC-editor queue. Regards, Benoit. _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 17 05:18:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILxyX-0005bv-CH; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:18:37 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILxyV-0005bW-8v for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:18:35 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILxyU-0000d0-EN for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:18:35 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7H9IXd16994; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:18:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.81.73] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4426.cisco.com [10.61.81.73]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l7H9IWQ03339; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46C567E8.7080607@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:18:32 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps -> new [IPFIX-PROTO] version 25 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, > > Hi all: > > At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of > possible > new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. This > note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite > proposal. > > a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of > RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF LC > and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Draft > authors have been working through the necessary changes. > > That work has also brought to light two other issues: > - Padding, see slide 7 of > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf > - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX > testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' > section of the Draft > > These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they > would require small changes, and making them would improve the > Protocol RFC. > => I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we > should make them, or whether we should only make the > SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any > proposals for further changes!) A new version of the protocol has just been posted, including the above changes. Brian, Paul, Elisa and I spent quite some time integrating all the changes. Thanks to draft-trammell-ipfix-sctp-change-01.txt, the SCTP-related modifications were made easier. Please review it. The best way to review the changes is http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff I hope we will quickly put back the draft in the RFC-editor queue. 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http://idusfs.riontwil.com/?269971152862 ------------15AF21CED3B4867-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 17 06:46:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILzLX-0003tR-26; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:46:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILzLW-0003rb-7r for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:46:26 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.18]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILzLV-0003IM-0s for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:46:26 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7HAkN2D022836; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7HAkMhq022775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id l7HAkM8V003870; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:46:22 +0200 (MEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:46:21 +0200 Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DA2@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 Thread-Index: Ace88AEdwXP9FnEjTCaZcgwDoaV5ZAjx93TQ References: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> From: "Schmoll, Carsten" To: "Gerhard Muenz" X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79bb66f827e54e9d5c5c7f1f9d645608 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1169955427==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1169955427== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C7E0CC.9D1F4190" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C7E0CC.9D1F4190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Gerhard, Benoit, I had a first look at the draft and have noted a few remarks and questions (see below, inline , after the beep).=20 I think that the draft is a good idea and will check in more detail next week. So far the model seems consistent to me. I'm currently working in a project where we are planning =20 an implementation to control monitoring probes of different=20 types - and have done some UML modeling for that as well. Esp. the modeling of the sampling config is very similar to=20 what you have proposed. Would be good if we can sync on that. Best regards, Carsten. - BEEP - > Abstract > =20 > This document specifies a data model for the configuration of > Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes = for > IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices. An implementation = of I suggest to change: implementation -> specification > the data model in Extensible Markup Language (XML) is defined = using > XML Schema language. > =20 -snip- > 1. Open Issues > =20 > General issues: > o Find a consensus of common configuration parameters. > o Shall we recommend the usage of Netconf protocol, which = provides > mechanisms for communicating device capabilities, error = messages > etc.? IMO it is good to recommend but not mandate a protocol.=20 The power of this draft is the independance from the used protocol. > Specific issues: > o Treat observationPointId, meteringProcessId, = exportingProcessId, > selectorId, selectionSequenceId (all unsigned32) of the IPFIX > information model as configurable parameters or identifiers? > * Observation Points and Metering Processes do not have > identifiers in the configuration data model, but > observationPointId and meteringProcessId could be = configuration > parameters. I think there needs to be an observation point identifier in the data = model. If that can be signalled to an IPFIX exporter and used by it instead of = a self-generated (albeit locally unique) obs. point id, it can be quite useful. Speaking in database terms this id would be a primary key for each such object. > * exportingProcessId could replace the identifier of the > ExportingProcess class in the configuration data model. > * selectorId could become a configuration parameter of the > selection methods specified within the SelectionProcess = class. > selectionSequenceId could be a configuration parameter of = the > SelectionProcess class or replace the identifier of the > SelectionProcess class. Yet, the configuration data model > allows deploying the same Selection Process at different > Observation Points, and in this case, the identifiers would > always be the same. > o Which are the common SCTP specific export parameters? > =20 > =20 > 2. Introduction > =20 > IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices (routers, switches, > monitoring probes, mediators, collectors etc.) offer various > configuration possibilities that allow adapting network monitoring = to > the goals and purposes of the application, e.g. accounting and > charging, traffic analysis, performance monitoring, security > monitoring etc. The use of a common device-independent = configuration > data model for IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices > facilitates network management and configuration, especially if > monitoring devices of different implementers and/or manufacturers = are > deployed simultaneously. The purpose of this document is the > specification of such a device-independent configuration data = model > that covers the commonly available configuration parameters of > Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes. > =20 > The specified data model is implemented in Extensible Markup = Language I'd say "The data model is specified in Extensible Markup Language" (but I wont push on that rephrasing :) > (XML) [W3C.REC-xml-20040204], which allows extending it easily = with > additional device-specific parameters. Furthermore, optional > =20 > =20 > =20 > Muenz & Claise draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02.txt [Page = 3] > =0C > Internet-Draft IPFIX/PSAMP Configuration Data Model June = 2007 > =20 > =20 > parameters as well as parameters not supported by a particular > monitoring device implementation can be simply omitted. Any > restrictions and extensions of the configuration data model should = be > known to the network management system in order to avoid sending > unsupported configuration data to the monitoring device. Note = that > the communication of monitoring device capabilities to the network Question: is "device capabilities" synonymous with "extensions of the configuration data model"? > management system is currently out of scope of this document. > =20 > There are various candidate protocols, like the Network = Configuration > Protocol (Netconf) [RFC4741] or the Simple Object Access Protocol > (SOAP) [W3C.REC-soap12-part1-20070427], that are suitable for > transferring XML data from a network management system to a > monitoring device. However, the configuration data model = specified > here is not specific to any of these. > =20 Looking at the UML diagrams this could as well be used as=20 Entity-Relation diagrams as in modeling for a relational database! I suggest to say a few words stating that this information model is=20 also well suited to structure a *storage* for IPFIX config data. -snip- > 5.1. ObservationPoint Class > =20 > +---------------------+ > | ObservationPoint | > +---------------------+ 1 +--------------------+ > | observationDomainId |<>--------| Interface/Linecard | > | | +--------------------+ > | | > | | 0..* +--------------------+ > | |<>--------| MeteringProcess | > +---------------------+ +--------------------+ > =20 > +-----------------+ +------------------+ > | Interface | | Linecard | > +-----------------+ +------------------+ > | ifIndex | | entPhysicalIndex | > | ifName | | entPhysicalName | > +-----------------+ +------------------+ > =20 > Figure 3: ObservationPoint class > =20 > The ObservationPoint class identifies an Observation Point of the > monitoring device, i.e. an interface or a linecard. The > ObservationPoint class may specify the Observation Domain ID if = the > monitoring device implementation supports this configuration. > =20 > The configuration parameters to identify an interface or a = linecard > are as follows: > =20 > o ifIndex, ifName: Index and name of the interface according to > corresponding objects in the IF-MIB. Only one of them must be > specified to identify the interface. entPhysicalIndex, > entPhysicalName: Index and name of the linecard according to = the > corresponding objects in the ENTITY-MIB. Only one of them must > specified to identify the linecard. > =20 > The ObservationPoint class may specify one or multiple Metering > Processes. > =20 I am wondering whether a metering process should be linked to an = interface. At the moment they are independent, i.e. there is now way to tell on = what=20 interface a process is invoked. 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ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1169955427==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1169955427== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C7E0CC.9D1F4190" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C7E0CC.9D1F4190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Gerhard, Benoit, I had a first look at the draft and have noted a few remarks and questions (see below, inline , after the beep).=20 I think that the draft is a good idea and will check in more detail next week. So far the model seems consistent to me. I'm currently working in a project where we are planning =20 an implementation to control monitoring probes of different=20 types - and have done some UML modeling for that as well. Esp. the modeling of the sampling config is very similar to=20 what you have proposed. Would be good if we can sync on that. Best regards, Carsten. - BEEP - > Abstract > =20 > This document specifies a data model for the configuration of > Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes = for > IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices. An implementation = of I suggest to change: implementation -> specification > the data model in Extensible Markup Language (XML) is defined = using > XML Schema language. > =20 -snip- > 1. Open Issues > =20 > General issues: > o Find a consensus of common configuration parameters. > o Shall we recommend the usage of Netconf protocol, which = provides > mechanisms for communicating device capabilities, error = messages > etc.? IMO it is good to recommend but not mandate a protocol.=20 The power of this draft is the independance from the used protocol. > Specific issues: > o Treat observationPointId, meteringProcessId, = exportingProcessId, > selectorId, selectionSequenceId (all unsigned32) of the IPFIX > information model as configurable parameters or identifiers? > * Observation Points and Metering Processes do not have > identifiers in the configuration data model, but > observationPointId and meteringProcessId could be = configuration > parameters. I think there needs to be an observation point identifier in the data = model. If that can be signalled to an IPFIX exporter and used by it instead of = a self-generated (albeit locally unique) obs. point id, it can be quite useful. Speaking in database terms this id would be a primary key for each such object. > * exportingProcessId could replace the identifier of the > ExportingProcess class in the configuration data model. > * selectorId could become a configuration parameter of the > selection methods specified within the SelectionProcess = class. > selectionSequenceId could be a configuration parameter of = the > SelectionProcess class or replace the identifier of the > SelectionProcess class. Yet, the configuration data model > allows deploying the same Selection Process at different > Observation Points, and in this case, the identifiers would > always be the same. > o Which are the common SCTP specific export parameters? > =20 > =20 > 2. Introduction > =20 > IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices (routers, switches, > monitoring probes, mediators, collectors etc.) offer various > configuration possibilities that allow adapting network monitoring = to > the goals and purposes of the application, e.g. accounting and > charging, traffic analysis, performance monitoring, security > monitoring etc. The use of a common device-independent = configuration > data model for IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices > facilitates network management and configuration, especially if > monitoring devices of different implementers and/or manufacturers = are > deployed simultaneously. The purpose of this document is the > specification of such a device-independent configuration data = model > that covers the commonly available configuration parameters of > Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes. > =20 > The specified data model is implemented in Extensible Markup = Language I'd say "The data model is specified in Extensible Markup Language" (but I wont push on that rephrasing :) > (XML) [W3C.REC-xml-20040204], which allows extending it easily = with > additional device-specific parameters. Furthermore, optional > =20 > =20 > =20 > Muenz & Claise draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02.txt [Page = 3] > =0C > Internet-Draft IPFIX/PSAMP Configuration Data Model June = 2007 > =20 > =20 > parameters as well as parameters not supported by a particular > monitoring device implementation can be simply omitted. Any > restrictions and extensions of the configuration data model should = be > known to the network management system in order to avoid sending > unsupported configuration data to the monitoring device. Note = that > the communication of monitoring device capabilities to the network Question: is "device capabilities" synonymous with "extensions of the configuration data model"? > management system is currently out of scope of this document. > =20 > There are various candidate protocols, like the Network = Configuration > Protocol (Netconf) [RFC4741] or the Simple Object Access Protocol > (SOAP) [W3C.REC-soap12-part1-20070427], that are suitable for > transferring XML data from a network management system to a > monitoring device. However, the configuration data model = specified > here is not specific to any of these. > =20 Looking at the UML diagrams this could as well be used as=20 Entity-Relation diagrams as in modeling for a relational database! I suggest to say a few words stating that this information model is=20 also well suited to structure a *storage* for IPFIX config data. -snip- > 5.1. ObservationPoint Class > =20 > +---------------------+ > | ObservationPoint | > +---------------------+ 1 +--------------------+ > | observationDomainId |<>--------| Interface/Linecard | > | | +--------------------+ > | | > | | 0..* +--------------------+ > | |<>--------| MeteringProcess | > +---------------------+ +--------------------+ > =20 > +-----------------+ +------------------+ > | Interface | | Linecard | > +-----------------+ +------------------+ > | ifIndex | | entPhysicalIndex | > | ifName | | entPhysicalName | > +-----------------+ +------------------+ > =20 > Figure 3: ObservationPoint class > =20 > The ObservationPoint class identifies an Observation Point of the > monitoring device, i.e. an interface or a linecard. The > ObservationPoint class may specify the Observation Domain ID if = the > monitoring device implementation supports this configuration. > =20 > The configuration parameters to identify an interface or a = linecard > are as follows: > =20 > o ifIndex, ifName: Index and name of the interface according to > corresponding objects in the IF-MIB. Only one of them must be > specified to identify the interface. entPhysicalIndex, > entPhysicalName: Index and name of the linecard according to = the > corresponding objects in the ENTITY-MIB. Only one of them must > specified to identify the linecard. > =20 > The ObservationPoint class may specify one or multiple Metering > Processes. > =20 I am wondering whether a metering process should be linked to an = interface. At the moment they are independent, i.e. there is now way to tell on = what=20 interface a process is invoked. Not sure if this is desirable. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerhard Muenz [mailto:muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de]=20 > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:30 PM > To: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 >=20 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > A new version of the IPFIX Configuration draft has been published: >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-muenz-ipfix-configur ation-02.txt >=20 > Comments and feedback are welcome. >=20 > Best regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C7E0CC.9D1F4190 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIQpzCCBSow ggQSoAMCAQICAQAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwTzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxEzARBgNVBAoTCkZyYXVu 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with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3Pc-0002cs-3b; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:06:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3Pb-0002cm-2B for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:06:55 -0400 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3PZ-0006cT-9u for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:06:55 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7HF6if1018191; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:06:45 +0200 Message-ID: <46C5B968.4020503@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:06:16 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Schmoll, Carsten" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 References: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DA2@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DA2@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.62; VDF: 6.39.1.16; host: mx05) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de id l7HF6if1018191 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2d133cc328f58695161c98bb4f4dc213 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Carsten, Schmoll, Carsten wrote: > I had a first look at the draft and have noted a few remarks > and questions (see below, inline , after the beep). > > I think that the draft is a good idea and will check in > more detail next week. So far the model seems consistent to me. Thank you very much for your valuable feedback. I'm happy to see that your comments refer to smaller issues only, i.e. the main concept of the data model does not seem to be too bad :) > I'm currently working in a project where we are planning > an implementation to control monitoring probes of different > types - and have done some UML modeling for that as well. > > Esp. the modeling of the sampling config is very similar to > what you have proposed. Would be good if we can sync on that. It would be very interesting to know more about your project, which probes you use, how you configure them etc. As a background information: The current configuration data model has been conceived with two existing device implementations in mind, namely Flexible Netflow and Vermont. This is because these are the two implementations that Benoit and me know the best. So we tried to enable an easy mapping between the device-independent configuration data model and the current implementations. Now, we would like to know if this model is also suitable for other implementations, and what kind of changes are eventually needed to make it more generic. Below, I'll respond to some of your comments inline. Regards, Gerhard >> Abstract >> =20 >> This document specifies a data model for the configuration of >> Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes = for >> IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices. An implementation o= f >=20 > I suggest to change: implementation -> specification Yes, maybe "specification" is a better term. Yet, in another, similar context, the expression "implementation in XML" has been used as well: "The Intrusion Detection Message Exchange Format (IDMEF)", RFC 4765 "This document describes a data model to represent information exported by intrusion detection systems and explains the rationale for using this model. An implementation of the data model in the Extensible Markup Language (XML) is presented, an XML Document Type Definition is developed, and examples are provided." http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4765.txt >> the data model in Extensible Markup Language (XML) is defined usin= g >> XML Schema language. >> =20 > -snip- >=20 >> 1. Open Issues >> =20 >> General issues: >> o Find a consensus of common configuration parameters. >> o Shall we recommend the usage of Netconf protocol, which provide= s >> mechanisms for communicating device capabilities, error message= s >> etc.? >=20 > IMO it is good to recommend but not mandate a protocol.=20 > The power of this draft is the independance from the used protocol. I agree. Even without a protocol, the structure is useful. For example, we use it for Vermont's configuration files, i.e. for local device configuration. However, it seems that manufacturers prefer Netconf for XML based configuration, so the data model should work fine with Netconf. At the IPFIX session in Chicago, some new initiatives in the direction of standardizing guidelines for XML configuration data models have been mentioned. I have not checked this yet. Has anybody else??? IMHO the data model has to fulfill our IPFIX/PSAMP-specific requirements at the first place. Guidelines, if they exist, should be followed as long as to do not prevent us from specifying suitable solutions for IPFIX/PSAMP. >> Specific issues: >> o Treat observationPointId, meteringProcessId, exportingProcessId= , >> selectorId, selectionSequenceId (all unsigned32) of the IPFIX >> information model as configurable parameters or identifiers? >> * Observation Points and Metering Processes do not have >> identifiers in the configuration data model, but >> observationPointId and meteringProcessId could be configurat= ion >> parameters. >=20 > I think there needs to be an observation point identifier in the data m= odel. > If that can be signalled to an IPFIX exporter and used by it instead of= a > self-generated (albeit locally unique) obs. point id, it can be quite > useful. > Speaking in database terms this id would be a primary key for each such > object. Yes, a configurable observationPointId/meteringProcessId would facilitate the management of configuration data. On the other hand, devices would have to implement a table mapping configurable Ids to physical/logical entities/resources. >> * exportingProcessId could replace the identifier of the >> ExportingProcess class in the configuration data model. >> * selectorId could become a configuration parameter of the >> selection methods specified within the SelectionProcess clas= s. >> selectionSequenceId could be a configuration parameter of th= e >> SelectionProcess class or replace the identifier of the >> SelectionProcess class. Yet, the configuration data model >> allows deploying the same Selection Process at different >> Observation Points, and in this case, the identifiers would >> always be the same. >> o Which are the common SCTP specific export parameters? >> =20 >> =20 >> 2. Introduction >> =20 >> IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices (routers, switches, >> monitoring probes, mediators, collectors etc.) offer various >> configuration possibilities that allow adapting network monitoring= to >> the goals and purposes of the application, e.g. accounting and >> charging, traffic analysis, performance monitoring, security >> monitoring etc. The use of a common device-independent configurat= ion >> data model for IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices >> facilitates network management and configuration, especially if >> monitoring devices of different implementers and/or manufacturers = are >> deployed simultaneously. The purpose of this document is the >> specification of such a device-independent configuration data mode= l >> that covers the commonly available configuration parameters of >> Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes. >> =20 >> The specified data model is implemented in Extensible Markup Langu= age >=20 > I'd say > "The data model is specified in Extensible Markup Language" > (but I wont push on that rephrasing :) >=20 >> (XML) [W3C.REC-xml-20040204], which allows extending it easily wit= h >> additional device-specific parameters. Furthermore, optional >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Muenz & Claise draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02.txt [Page= 3] >> =0C >> Internet-Draft IPFIX/PSAMP Configuration Data Model June 2= 007 >> =20 >> =20 >> parameters as well as parameters not supported by a particular >> monitoring device implementation can be simply omitted. Any >> restrictions and extensions of the configuration data model should= be >> known to the network management system in order to avoid sending >> unsupported configuration data to the monitoring device. Note tha= t >> the communication of monitoring device capabilities to the network >=20 > Question: is "device capabilities" synonymous with "extensions of the > configuration data model"? The capabilities could describe device-specific extensions of the configuration data model, but this is not the main purpose. In general, the device capabilities describe the available resources of the device as well as the configuration possibilities. Examples: - which interfaces/linecards can be used as Observation Points - what kind of sampling methods are supported Based on these capabilities, the usage of the configuration data model has to be restricted. Protocols like Netconf provide a mechanism to query capabilities from a device, which allows the management system to adapt the configuration data accordingly. >> management system is currently out of scope of this document. >> =20 >> There are various candidate protocols, like the Network Configurat= ion >> Protocol (Netconf) [RFC4741] or the Simple Object Access Protocol >> (SOAP) [W3C.REC-soap12-part1-20070427], that are suitable for >> transferring XML data from a network management system to a >> monitoring device. However, the configuration data model specifie= d >> here is not specific to any of these. >> =20 >=20 > Looking at the UML diagrams this could as well be used as=20 > Entity-Relation diagrams as in modeling for a relational database! > I suggest to say a few words stating that this information model is=20 > also well suited to structure a *storage* for IPFIX config data. We could mention this relationship. However, I do not think that we need a standard that specifies how to storage the configuration data in a database. > -snip- >=20 >> 5.1. ObservationPoint Class >> =20 >> +---------------------+ >> | ObservationPoint | >> +---------------------+ 1 +--------------------+ >> | observationDomainId |<>--------| Interface/Linecard | >> | | +--------------------+ >> | | >> | | 0..* +--------------------+ >> | |<>--------| MeteringProcess | >> +---------------------+ +--------------------+ >> =20 >> +-----------------+ +------------------+ >> | Interface | | Linecard | >> +-----------------+ +------------------+ >> | ifIndex | | entPhysicalIndex | >> | ifName | | entPhysicalName | >> +-----------------+ +------------------+ >> =20 >> Figure 3: ObservationPoint class >> =20 >> The ObservationPoint class identifies an Observation Point of the >> monitoring device, i.e. an interface or a linecard. The >> ObservationPoint class may specify the Observation Domain ID if th= e >> monitoring device implementation supports this configuration. >> =20 >> The configuration parameters to identify an interface or a linecar= d >> are as follows: >> =20 >> o ifIndex, ifName: Index and name of the interface according to >> corresponding objects in the IF-MIB. Only one of them must be >> specified to identify the interface. entPhysicalIndex, >> entPhysicalName: Index and name of the linecard according to th= e >> corresponding objects in the ENTITY-MIB. Only one of them must >> specified to identify the linecard. >> =20 >> The ObservationPoint class may specify one or multiple Metering >> Processes. >> =20 >=20 > I am wondering whether a metering process should be linked to an interf= ace. > At the moment they are independent, i.e. there is now way to tell on wh= at=20 > interface a process is invoked. Not sure if this is desirable. Let me explain the current reasoning behind it: Existing implementations like Flexible Netflow and Vermont treat Selection Processes (packet samplers/filters) and record caches (hash tables) as separate and reusable entities (or instances). This means (as an example): You can fill a cache with the output of two different selection processes. And the output of a specific Selection Process can go into multiple caches. A Metering Process refers to a specific combination of Selection Processes and a cache, but does not correspond to a reusable entity. This is reflected in the current model: Selection Processes and caches are regarded as instances (with identifies) that can be combined and linked to an Observation Point with an embracing MeteringProcess-Tag. --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 17 11:07:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3Pc-0002cs-3b; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:06:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3Pb-0002cm-2B for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:06:55 -0400 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM3PZ-0006cT-9u for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:06:55 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7HF6if1018191; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:06:45 +0200 Message-ID: <46C5B968.4020503@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:06:16 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Schmoll, Carsten" Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 References: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DA2@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DA2@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.62; VDF: 6.39.1.16; host: mx05) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de id l7HF6if1018191 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2d133cc328f58695161c98bb4f4dc213 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Carsten, Schmoll, Carsten wrote: > I had a first look at the draft and have noted a few remarks > and questions (see below, inline , after the beep). > > I think that the draft is a good idea and will check in > more detail next week. So far the model seems consistent to me. Thank you very much for your valuable feedback. I'm happy to see that your comments refer to smaller issues only, i.e. the main concept of the data model does not seem to be too bad :) > I'm currently working in a project where we are planning > an implementation to control monitoring probes of different > types - and have done some UML modeling for that as well. > > Esp. the modeling of the sampling config is very similar to > what you have proposed. Would be good if we can sync on that. It would be very interesting to know more about your project, which probes you use, how you configure them etc. As a background information: The current configuration data model has been conceived with two existing device implementations in mind, namely Flexible Netflow and Vermont. This is because these are the two implementations that Benoit and me know the best. So we tried to enable an easy mapping between the device-independent configuration data model and the current implementations. Now, we would like to know if this model is also suitable for other implementations, and what kind of changes are eventually needed to make it more generic. Below, I'll respond to some of your comments inline. Regards, Gerhard >> Abstract >> =20 >> This document specifies a data model for the configuration of >> Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes = for >> IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices. An implementation o= f >=20 > I suggest to change: implementation -> specification Yes, maybe "specification" is a better term. Yet, in another, similar context, the expression "implementation in XML" has been used as well: "The Intrusion Detection Message Exchange Format (IDMEF)", RFC 4765 "This document describes a data model to represent information exported by intrusion detection systems and explains the rationale for using this model. An implementation of the data model in the Extensible Markup Language (XML) is presented, an XML Document Type Definition is developed, and examples are provided." http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4765.txt >> the data model in Extensible Markup Language (XML) is defined usin= g >> XML Schema language. >> =20 > -snip- >=20 >> 1. Open Issues >> =20 >> General issues: >> o Find a consensus of common configuration parameters. >> o Shall we recommend the usage of Netconf protocol, which provide= s >> mechanisms for communicating device capabilities, error message= s >> etc.? >=20 > IMO it is good to recommend but not mandate a protocol.=20 > The power of this draft is the independance from the used protocol. I agree. Even without a protocol, the structure is useful. For example, we use it for Vermont's configuration files, i.e. for local device configuration. However, it seems that manufacturers prefer Netconf for XML based configuration, so the data model should work fine with Netconf. At the IPFIX session in Chicago, some new initiatives in the direction of standardizing guidelines for XML configuration data models have been mentioned. I have not checked this yet. Has anybody else??? IMHO the data model has to fulfill our IPFIX/PSAMP-specific requirements at the first place. Guidelines, if they exist, should be followed as long as to do not prevent us from specifying suitable solutions for IPFIX/PSAMP. >> Specific issues: >> o Treat observationPointId, meteringProcessId, exportingProcessId= , >> selectorId, selectionSequenceId (all unsigned32) of the IPFIX >> information model as configurable parameters or identifiers? >> * Observation Points and Metering Processes do not have >> identifiers in the configuration data model, but >> observationPointId and meteringProcessId could be configurat= ion >> parameters. >=20 > I think there needs to be an observation point identifier in the data m= odel. > If that can be signalled to an IPFIX exporter and used by it instead of= a > self-generated (albeit locally unique) obs. point id, it can be quite > useful. > Speaking in database terms this id would be a primary key for each such > object. Yes, a configurable observationPointId/meteringProcessId would facilitate the management of configuration data. On the other hand, devices would have to implement a table mapping configurable Ids to physical/logical entities/resources. >> * exportingProcessId could replace the identifier of the >> ExportingProcess class in the configuration data model. >> * selectorId could become a configuration parameter of the >> selection methods specified within the SelectionProcess clas= s. >> selectionSequenceId could be a configuration parameter of th= e >> SelectionProcess class or replace the identifier of the >> SelectionProcess class. Yet, the configuration data model >> allows deploying the same Selection Process at different >> Observation Points, and in this case, the identifiers would >> always be the same. >> o Which are the common SCTP specific export parameters? >> =20 >> =20 >> 2. Introduction >> =20 >> IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices (routers, switches, >> monitoring probes, mediators, collectors etc.) offer various >> configuration possibilities that allow adapting network monitoring= to >> the goals and purposes of the application, e.g. accounting and >> charging, traffic analysis, performance monitoring, security >> monitoring etc. The use of a common device-independent configurat= ion >> data model for IPFIX and PSAMP compliant monitoring devices >> facilitates network management and configuration, especially if >> monitoring devices of different implementers and/or manufacturers = are >> deployed simultaneously. The purpose of this document is the >> specification of such a device-independent configuration data mode= l >> that covers the commonly available configuration parameters of >> Metering Processes, Exporting Processes, and Collecting Processes. >> =20 >> The specified data model is implemented in Extensible Markup Langu= age >=20 > I'd say > "The data model is specified in Extensible Markup Language" > (but I wont push on that rephrasing :) >=20 >> (XML) [W3C.REC-xml-20040204], which allows extending it easily wit= h >> additional device-specific parameters. Furthermore, optional >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Muenz & Claise draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02.txt [Page= 3] >> =0C >> Internet-Draft IPFIX/PSAMP Configuration Data Model June 2= 007 >> =20 >> =20 >> parameters as well as parameters not supported by a particular >> monitoring device implementation can be simply omitted. Any >> restrictions and extensions of the configuration data model should= be >> known to the network management system in order to avoid sending >> unsupported configuration data to the monitoring device. Note tha= t >> the communication of monitoring device capabilities to the network >=20 > Question: is "device capabilities" synonymous with "extensions of the > configuration data model"? The capabilities could describe device-specific extensions of the configuration data model, but this is not the main purpose. In general, the device capabilities describe the available resources of the device as well as the configuration possibilities. Examples: - which interfaces/linecards can be used as Observation Points - what kind of sampling methods are supported Based on these capabilities, the usage of the configuration data model has to be restricted. Protocols like Netconf provide a mechanism to query capabilities from a device, which allows the management system to adapt the configuration data accordingly. >> management system is currently out of scope of this document. >> =20 >> There are various candidate protocols, like the Network Configurat= ion >> Protocol (Netconf) [RFC4741] or the Simple Object Access Protocol >> (SOAP) [W3C.REC-soap12-part1-20070427], that are suitable for >> transferring XML data from a network management system to a >> monitoring device. However, the configuration data model specifie= d >> here is not specific to any of these. >> =20 >=20 > Looking at the UML diagrams this could as well be used as=20 > Entity-Relation diagrams as in modeling for a relational database! > I suggest to say a few words stating that this information model is=20 > also well suited to structure a *storage* for IPFIX config data. We could mention this relationship. However, I do not think that we need a standard that specifies how to storage the configuration data in a database. > -snip- >=20 >> 5.1. ObservationPoint Class >> =20 >> +---------------------+ >> | ObservationPoint | >> +---------------------+ 1 +--------------------+ >> | observationDomainId |<>--------| Interface/Linecard | >> | | +--------------------+ >> | | >> | | 0..* +--------------------+ >> | |<>--------| MeteringProcess | >> +---------------------+ +--------------------+ >> =20 >> +-----------------+ +------------------+ >> | Interface | | Linecard | >> +-----------------+ +------------------+ >> | ifIndex | | entPhysicalIndex | >> | ifName | | entPhysicalName | >> +-----------------+ +------------------+ >> =20 >> Figure 3: ObservationPoint class >> =20 >> The ObservationPoint class identifies an Observation Point of the >> monitoring device, i.e. an interface or a linecard. The >> ObservationPoint class may specify the Observation Domain ID if th= e >> monitoring device implementation supports this configuration. >> =20 >> The configuration parameters to identify an interface or a linecar= d >> are as follows: >> =20 >> o ifIndex, ifName: Index and name of the interface according to >> corresponding objects in the IF-MIB. Only one of them must be >> specified to identify the interface. entPhysicalIndex, >> entPhysicalName: Index and name of the linecard according to th= e >> corresponding objects in the ENTITY-MIB. Only one of them must >> specified to identify the linecard. >> =20 >> The ObservationPoint class may specify one or multiple Metering >> Processes. >> =20 >=20 > I am wondering whether a metering process should be linked to an interf= ace. > At the moment they are independent, i.e. there is now way to tell on wh= at=20 > interface a process is invoked. Not sure if this is desirable. Let me explain the current reasoning behind it: Existing implementations like Flexible Netflow and Vermont treat Selection Processes (packet samplers/filters) and record caches (hash tables) as separate and reusable entities (or instances). This means (as an example): You can fill a cache with the output of two different selection processes. And the output of a specific Selection Process can go into multiple caches. A Metering Process refers to a specific combination of Selection Processes and a cache, but does not correspond to a reusable entity. This is reflected in the current model: Selection Processes and caches are regarded as instances (with identifies) that can be combined and linked to an Observation Point with an embracing MeteringProcess-Tag. --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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For me it is clearly the most complete comparison PDV vs. IPDV up to now and very helpful to understand the nitpicks of each definition. Let me add a few observations from my own work in this area here: a) as PDV is clearly a shifted version of the delay itself, its statistics can be directly derived from the delay (OWD) statistics when in addition the reference value is known. Even though I believe it has its own justification and use. b) For IPDV it would be nice to know, how symmetrical it is in practice. If it is very symmetric in almost all cases then one might as well work with the stats applied to abs(IPDV) only. If unsymmetric IPDV distributions appear then one should present a positive and a negative high percentile or something like inter-quartile range as resulting statistics (in addition to mean IPDV in any case) Does anyone have results wrt. the symmetricity? c) Esp. for IPDV it is not clear to me the effect of the packet selection function: Esp. the question: Does the size of the gaps between selected packets have an influence on the distribution of the resulting IPDV values? (in theory yes (I could give an example), but in practice?) I will have a more detailed look at the draft in the next week and then write some specific comments as well. In general I'd say the draft should be concluded with something like a table which recomends clearly the use of PDV or IPDV and suggested stats per desired application. Best regards so far and have a nice weekend, Carsten. -- ### !! ATTENTION !! Change of email address! 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Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DD0@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 Thread-Index: Acfg5tLmhw3jaNbGTFWtwplgfq1Yfg== From: "Schmoll, Carsten" To: X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 25eb6223a37c19d53ede858176b14339 Subject: [IPFIX] some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0419473949==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0419473949== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0102_01C7E0F7.96AC59D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01C7E0F7.96AC59D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear authors, I have recently read the ippm-delay-var-as draft and believe it is on the right way. For me it is clearly the most complete comparison PDV vs. IPDV up to now and very helpful to understand the nitpicks of each definition. Let me add a few observations from my own work in this area here: a) as PDV is clearly a shifted version of the delay itself, its statistics can be directly derived from the delay (OWD) statistics when in addition the reference value is known. Even though I believe it has its own justification and use. b) For IPDV it would be nice to know, how symmetrical it is in practice. If it is very symmetric in almost all cases then one might as well work with the stats applied to abs(IPDV) only. If unsymmetric IPDV distributions appear then one should present a positive and a negative high percentile or something like inter-quartile range as resulting statistics (in addition to mean IPDV in any case) Does anyone have results wrt. the symmetricity? c) Esp. for IPDV it is not clear to me the effect of the packet selection function: Esp. the question: Does the size of the gaps between selected packets have an influence on the distribution of the resulting IPDV values? (in theory yes (I could give an example), but in practice?) I will have a more detailed look at the draft in the next week and then write some specific comments as well. In general I'd say the draft should be concluded with something like a table which recomends clearly the use of PDV or IPDV and suggested stats per desired application. Best regards so far and have a nice weekend, Carsten. -- ### !! ATTENTION !! Change of email address! Please use in future only: carsten.schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de ### "The difference between theory and practice is that in theory theory and practice are the same but in practice they are not." Dipl.Ing. Carsten Schmoll Fraunhofer Institute FOKUS carsten.schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de National Research Institute Fraunhofer FOKUS / dept. 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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:27:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E019.E7B23A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 2086112c730e13d5955355df27e3074b ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E019.E7B23A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H-E.R+E WE GO AGAI_N! T_H,E B*I_G O+N_E BE,FORE T H+E S EPTEMBER. RALLY! T-H_E MAR KET IS A+BOUT TO P,O+P+, A.N.D SO IS E X*M T,! Fir'm: E_+XCHANGE MOBI.LE T_E.L.E (Oth+er O.T-C*: EXMT.PK*) Ti ck: E*X.M.T A_s.k*: 0_.-0,8 5-d'ay potentia-l': 0'.-4*0 T_h,i s a grea_t op*,portunity to at l_east d*ouble up! N*o,t o.n*l'y d-o e_s t.h+i's f_i*r.m h_a.v+e gre-at fund*ament als, b*u = t ge.tting t_h+i.s oppo-rtun+ity at t+h+e righ-t time,, righ*t b'efore = t-h_e rall_y is w,h+a t mak*es t'h+i s d e*a-l so sweet,! Wa*tch it s o,a-r-! It sh'ould, h oweve-r, be no ted t'h-a,t v-e+r*y s_o'o_n t h'e = b-enefi+ts whi-ch c+a+n be gain-ed by "trave ll'ing" w.i*l.l be dis_co = vered by othe,rs. Thes e enh*ancement,s h,a v-e n*o*w bec_ome p*a+r_t of t'h+e MPI -2 = sta-nd_ard. D+a+t'a R,eco,very Te*c+hnology 14 4. A st-range*r c*a m,e to W*ines burg a.n-d s'a,w in t*h*e ch*ild w h,a't = t+h-e fath*er d'i,d n_o*t s*e+e-. T,h+i+s mea.ns t+h,a.t t-h,e dri.ver p.rov.ides a s.e+t of ca-llba*ck = fu'nctio,ns t.h a+t a-r.e i.nvoked by t h_e sy*stem w+h.e.n s-o+m*e = ope*r,ation is req,uire.d to N P.F_. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E019.E7B23A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H-E.R+E WE GO AGAI_N!
T_H,E B*I_G O+N_E BE,FORE T H+E S EPTEMBER. = RALLY!
T-H_E MAR KET IS A+BOUT TO P,O+P+, A.N.D SO IS = E X*M T,!
Fir'm: E_+XCHANGE MOBI.LE T_E.L.E (Oth+er = O.T-C*:=20 EXMT.PK*)
Ti ck: E*X.M.T
A_s.k*: 0_.-0,8
5-d'ay potentia-l': 0'.-4*0
T_h,i s a grea_t op*,portunity to at l_east = d*ouble up!
N*o,t o.n*l'y d-o e_s t.h+i's f_i*r.m h_a.v+e = gre-at=20 fund*ament als, b*u t ge.tting t_h+i.s oppo-rtun+ity at t+h+e righ-t = time,,=20 righ*t b'efore t-h_e rall_y is w,h+a t mak*es t'h+i s d e*a-l so sweet,! =
Wa*tch it s o,a-r-!
It sh'ould, h oweve-r, be no ted t'h-a,t = v-e+r*y s_o'o_n=20 t h'e b-enefi+ts whi-ch c+a+n be gain-ed by "trave ll'ing" w.i*l.l be = dis_co=20 vered by othe,rs.
Thes e enh*ancement,s h,a v-e n*o*w bec_ome = p*a+r_t of=20 t'h+e MPI -2 sta-nd_ard.
D+a+t'a R,eco,very Te*c+hnology 14 = 4.
A st-range*r c*a m,e to W*ines burg a.n-d = s'a,w in t*h*e=20 ch*ild w h,a't t+h-e fath*er d'i,d n_o*t s*e+e-.
T,h+i+s mea.ns t+h,a.t t-h,e dri.ver = p.rov.ides a s.e+t=20 of ca-llba*ck fu'nctio,ns t.h a+t a-r.e i.nvoked by t h_e sy*stem = w+h.e.n=20 s-o+m*e ope*r,ation is req,uire.d to N P.F_.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E019.E7B23A90-- From cor_Leach@rethymno.ujep.cz Fri Aug 17 16:46:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM8ie-00077y-6x for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:46:56 -0400 Received: from alille-251-1-73-72.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr ([82.127.250.72]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM8id-00069O-Fy for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:46:56 -0400 Received: from acer-6281efdef1 ([190.128.190.49] helo=acer-6281efdef1) by ALille-251-1-51-49.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1FXYTE-000DCP-ai for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c7e10f$bb59ebe0$31cd7f52@acer6281efdef1> From: "cor Leach" To: Subject: There is a API for checking this. Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:46:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E120.7EE2BBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E120.7EE2BBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H.E.R*E WE GO A-GAIN! T.H E B+I-G O-N_E BEF,ORE T.H.E SEPTEMBER.+RALLY_! T'H.E MA+RKET IS AB_OUT TO P+O-P., A_N'D SO IS E,X.M,T.! Fir'm: EXC,HAN-GE M,OBILE T.E L.E (Ot her O'T.C*: EXMT.'PK) Tick-: E,X,M+T A+s+k-: 0 .'0 8 5-d.ay pote_.ntial: 0+. 4.0 T.h.i s a gre,at opport-un+ity to at leas t do'uble up! N,o*t o'n,l.y d'o,e+s t-h,i+s f*i*r_m h a v e gre at fundamen'tals+, = b-u't get-ting t.h.i-s oppor'tunit,y at t h e righ*t tim.e, ri+ght = befor+e t_h_e r-ally is w'h.a-t ma'kes t+h*i-s d-e+a*l so swee*t! Wat-ch it s+o,a,r ! Insert.s t*h_e stri_ng representa*tio,n of a s*pecifie,d 8- bit signe'd = integ.er i,n,t-o t*h_i s instan*c.e at t.h*e s,pe+cified c'haracte r = positio.n+. Sni-'ffers a_r,e de s,igned as device-s t+h*a*t c_a-n diagn'os*e a = netw.ork con--nection. You'-ve ch.anged', h aven't y'o*u,. Wh.ether to s uppr_ess wh.ite spac_e a n*d o'ther outpu*t t_h a*t is = g_-enerated by C,F-M*L t*a.g,s withi*n a cfprocessingdirective blo-ck. In basi_c reg.ular e_xpression+s t_h'e m etacharacter's. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E120.7EE2BBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H.E.R*E WE GO A-GAIN!
T.H E B+I-G O-N_E BEF,ORE T.H.E = SEPTEMBER.+RALLY_!
T'H.E MA+RKET IS AB_OUT TO P+O-P., A_N'D SO IS = E,X.M,T.!
Fir'm: EXC,HAN-GE M,OBILE T.E L.E (Ot her = O'T.C*:=20 EXMT.'PK)
Tick-: E,X,M+T
A+s+k-: 0 .'0 8
5-d.ay pote_.ntial: 0+. 4.0
T.h.i s a gre,at opport-un+ity to at leas t = do'uble up!
N,o*t o'n,l.y d'o,e+s t-h,i+s f*i*r_m h a v e = gre at=20 fundamen'tals+, b-u't get-ting t.h.i-s oppor'tunit,y at t h e righ*t = tim.e,=20 ri+ght befor+e t_h_e r-ally is w'h.a-t ma'kes t+h*i-s d-e+a*l so swee*t! =
Wat-ch it s+o,a,r !
Insert.s t*h_e stri_ng representa*tio,n of a = s*pecifie,d=20 8- bit signe'd integ.er i,n,t-o t*h_i s instan*c.e at t.h*e s,pe+cified=20 c'haracte r positio.n+.
Sni-'ffers a_r,e de s,igned as device-s = t+h*a*t c_a-n=20 diagn'os*e a netw.ork con--nection.
You'-ve ch.anged', h aven't y'o*u,. =
Wh.ether to s uppr_ess wh.ite spac_e a n*d = o'ther=20 outpu*t t_h a*t is g_-enerated by C,F-M*L t*a.g,s withi*n a=20 cfprocessingdirective blo-ck.
In basi_c reg.ular e_xpression+s t_h'e m = etacharacter's.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E120.7EE2BBE0-- From kennard.hulan@efg.co.jp Fri Aug 17 22:20:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMDvI-0005RT-QF for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:20:20 -0400 Received: from [86.120.16.177] (helo=[82.79.160.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMDvH-00043o-LP for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:20:20 -0400 Received: from 3fed2aca2c6d4cc ([123.176.73.79]:20685 "EHLO 3fed2aca2c6d4cc" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by [82.79.160.141] with ESMTP id S22SLGQMRKUWYZED (ORCPT ); Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:20:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c1c405$7332e380$8da04f52@3fed2aca2c6d4cc> From: "kennard hulan" To: Subject: In most cases, there's no compelling reason to do it one way or the other. Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:20:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C405.7332E380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C405.7332E380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H_E-R E WE GO AG_AIN! T*H_E B.I G O.N_E BEF*ORE T*H*E SEPT-EMBER.'RALLY! T+H,E MAR.KET IS ABOU,T TO P,O,P', A+N_D SO IS E*X,M*T'! Firm+: EXC*HANG E MO BILE T*E-L*E (Ot*her O+T_C.: EXMT.PK-) T ick: E,X,M*T A s.k.: 0+..1+0 ( +25.00%.) (*U+P TO 2_5*% in 1 d-a y,) 5-*day pote_ntial : 0-.'4-0 T*h,i_s a g-reat oppor tunit,y to at le ast dou'ble up! N'o+t o.n*l'y d+o'e,s t h_i s f*i'r*m h_a-v e gre_at fu'ndame-ntals, = b_u_t getti,ng t+h.i's opportu.nit.y at t,h*e ri'ght time,, r.ight = befo.re t'h-e rall_y is w'h-a t mak es t h*i's d-e,a*l so sw eet! Wa tch it s o*a'r'! T_h'e rendere-r-'s beh-avi.or w'h-e n swi.tche.d o.u't of full-sc.re_en = m o+d'e is implementation-dependent. If I o'n*l_y coul+d. Mer++edith Gour*+dine a.l+s*o create,d a ge+nerat-or t*h_a t allow*ed = f+o-r t,h*e cheap*er tran'smissi+on of ele.ctri'city. S'u c+h an ap proa.ch auto m-atically dist,ance*s t,h.e v,a's+t = m,ajo.rity of rea ders f,r_o-m pre+c-isely w,h_a*t mak,es g,reat = li*teratur.e enjoya++ble. I h,a-d to k*n,o'w w,h-a.t Tyle+r w+a s doin'g wh,ile I w*a*s asleep*. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C405.7332E380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H_E-R E WE GO AG_AIN!
T*H_E B.I G O.N_E BEF*ORE T*H*E = SEPT-EMBER.'RALLY!
T+H,E MAR.KET IS ABOU,T TO P,O,P', A+N_D SO IS = E*X,M*T'!
Firm+: EXC*HANG E MO BILE T*E-L*E (Ot*her = O+T_C.:=20 EXMT.PK-)
T ick: E,X,M*T
A s.k.: 0+..1+0 ( +25.00%.) (*U+P TO 2_5*% in = 1 d-a y,)
5-*day pote_ntial : 0-.'4-0
T*h,i_s a g-reat oppor tunit,y to at le ast = dou'ble up!
N'o+t o.n*l'y d+o'e,s t h_i s f*i'r*m h_a-v e = gre_at=20 fu'ndame-ntals, b_u_t getti,ng t+h.i's opportu.nit.y at t,h*e ri'ght = time,,=20 r.ight befo.re t'h-e rall_y is w'h-a t mak es t h*i's d-e,a*l so sw eet! =
Wa tch it s o*a'r'!
T_h'e rendere-r-'s beh-avi.or w'h-e n = swi.tche.d o.u't=20 of full-sc.re_en m o+d'e is implementation-dependent.
If I o'n*l_y coul+d.
Mer++edith Gour*+dine a.l+s*o create,d a = ge+nerat-or=20 t*h_a t allow*ed f+o-r t,h*e cheap*er tran'smissi+on of ele.ctri'city. =
S'u c+h an ap proa.ch auto m-atically = dist,ance*s t,h.e=20 v,a's+t m,ajo.rity of rea ders f,r_o-m pre+c-isely w,h_a*t mak,es g,reat = li*teratur.e enjoya++ble.
I h,a-d to k*n,o'w w,h-a.t Tyle+r w+a s doin'g = wh,ile I=20 w*a*s asleep*.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C405.7332E380-- From Charlstonzrxe@efg.co.jp Fri Aug 17 22:26:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IME0t-0001Xj-Se for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:26:07 -0400 Received: from [86.120.16.177] (helo=[82.79.160.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IME0t-0004CP-3M for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:26:07 -0400 Received: from 3fed2aca2c6d4cc by efg.co.jp with ASMTP id 71C37272 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:26:54 -0000 Received: from 3fed2aca2c6d4cc ([134.125.90.117]) by efg.co.jp with ESMTP id 9A46D811047B for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:26:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c1c406$455a05a0$8da04f52@3fed2aca2c6d4cc> From: "Ariana Charlston" To: Subject: Retrieves count bytes of data from the client's request when the data is sent to the server as part of a POST request. Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:26:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C406.455A05A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 287c806b254c6353fcb09ee0e53bbc5e ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C406.455A05A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H E_R*E WE GO AGAI*N! T.H E B*I-G O'N.E BE*FORE T_H_E SEPTEMBER.RALL-Y_! T-H E M_ARKET IS ABO UT TO P'O.P+, A.N'D SO IS E_X.M.T,! Fir,m: EXCHA-NG,E MOB.ILE T.E'L-E (Othe+r O.T-C+: EXM-T.PK) T ick: E-X+M*T A-s-k : 0+.,1 0 (+2.5.'00%) (_U,P TO 2'5+% in 1 d*a+y') 5-da'y poten'tia l: 0,._4-0 T+h*i's a gr_eat opp 'ortunity to at leas.t doub le up! N o't o_n-l-y d_o,e+s t_h.i*s f-i,r-m h.a.v.e gre_at fu n'damentals, b = u-t gett,ing t'h,i+s oppor,tun-ity at t*h*e righ-t tim,e, r,ight bef+ore = t+h+e r.ally is w*h'a+t make*s t-h'i-s d*e,a+l so swee+t! Watc_h it s*o_a_r_! F*i r e e,ngul'fed t-h,e f_orest, boi'led i,n.t+o t+h e ni-ght, t.h_e,n = n+eatly p_u't it+self o_u't+, as a*l_l u-nsche,duled fire.s o'v.e+r a = certa-in s i+z+e a*r-e n-o w req.uire'd to do by l-a*w*. T*h*e I_nstall'er suppo*+rts a_utomat ic i+nsta llation of pa+ckages*. F'o.r m_o's,t animat i*ons, t*h-e Automa,t ic opti*on yield.s t h e = de,sired re+sults a.n+d i s-, therefore_., t-h+e defaul.t option*. In eith.er case', selec+t W,e b Tra*ffic Expre.ss on t.h_e Servi+.ces = panel*, a+n'd c_lick t*h.e S t-o.p butt.on. It s.till ama.zed G+eoff w,h+a+t t,h+e s_urge+ons co uld do if a m+a+n = c'ould be brough't in whi le st+ill aliv+e. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C406.455A05A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H E_R*E WE GO AGAI*N!
T.H E B*I-G O'N.E BE*FORE T_H_E = SEPTEMBER.RALL-Y_!
T-H E M_ARKET IS ABO UT TO P'O.P+, A.N'D SO IS = E_X.M.T,!
Fir,m: EXCHA-NG,E MOB.ILE T.E'L-E (Othe+r = O.T-C+:=20 EXM-T.PK)
T ick: E-X+M*T
A-s-k : 0+.,1 0 (+2.5.'00%) (_U,P TO 2'5+% in = 1 d*a+y')
5-da'y poten'tia l: 0,._4-0
T+h*i's a gr_eat opp 'ortunity to at leas.t = doub le up!
N o't o_n-l-y d_o,e+s t_h.i*s f-i,r-m h.a.v.e = gre_at fu=20 n'damentals, b u-t gett,ing t'h,i+s oppor,tun-ity at t*h*e righ-t tim,e, = r,ight=20 bef+ore t+h+e r.ally is w*h'a+t make*s t-h'i-s d*e,a+l so swee+t! =
Watc_h it s*o_a_r_!
F*i r e e,ngul'fed t-h,e f_orest, boi'led = i,n.t+o t+h e=20 ni-ght, t.h_e,n n+eatly p_u't it+self o_u't+, as a*l_l u-nsche,duled = fire.s=20 o'v.e+r a certa-in s i+z+e a*r-e n-o w req.uire'd to do by l-a*w*. =
T*h*e I_nstall'er suppo*+rts a_utomat ic = i+nsta llation=20 of pa+ckages*.
F'o.r m_o's,t animat i*ons, t*h-e Automa,t ic = opti*on=20 yield.s t h e de,sired re+sults a.n+d i s-, therefore_., t-h+e defaul.t = option*.
In eith.er case', selec+t W,e b Tra*ffic = Expre.ss on=20 t.h_e Servi+.ces panel*, a+n'd c_lick t*h.e S t-o.p butt.on. =
It s.till ama.zed G+eoff w,h+a+t t,h+e = s_urge+ons co uld=20 do if a m+a+n c'ould be brough't in whi le st+ill aliv+e.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C406.455A05A0-- From rabasswle@alanwapner.com Sat Aug 18 01:37:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMGzl-0008V5-0q; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:37:09 -0400 Received: from [124.129.100.95] (helo=alanwapner.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMGze-0000Gc-VH; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:37:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Christene" To: "Jo Ferguson" Cc: "Isaiah" , "Adena" , "Nicolasa Crawford" <6lowpan@lists.ietf.org>, "Priscilla" Subject: It's time for me and my babe Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:31:48 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_43E_9C9C_286AC533.168FB5BE" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 52f402fbded34a6df606921f56b8bdd8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_43E_9C9C_286AC533.168FB5BE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_EE2_9004_8EAFFD93.EE50FC0F" ------=_NextPart_EE2_9004_8EAFFD93.EE50FC0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The consist time has come when the like ever-growing steam abuse of power= by governments against and their struggles with one a I peep have been t= old grain a story of a gallant police officer, who came shelter to a vill= age chess where the peasants were They are mistaken, because faint force = ventral somatic does not protect humanity, but, on the contrary, phone de= prives it of the But, level it will be replied, there may be such a balance dry of tintinn= abulary power, voice such a PONDRATION DE FORCES, as would Then occurred = butter peel what happens to flat everyone sickening board with a mortal i= nternal disease. At first trivial si All the selection release acts hamme= r of injustice and cruelty which stride are committed in the ordinary cou= rse of daily life have It crowded is impossible. Yet every man of our tim= e day wax sees that this is so yawn and awaits the calamity. And the sit = =5BFootnote sense hook v: learn put See Appendix K.=5D But if these argum= ents crack are strong, perhaps histrionic still more powerful reasons may= beg be repulsive advanced against them. Most of all this happened to me = when taking part in theory mowed the spoon most usual alert Sacraments, w= hich are considered The bang emigrants were about 150 in number, overthre= w including the rail women and the stretch children. Their object was to = pl race tip on mist Existence Of The Township "Except choke for the state= ," they say, "we should be exposed gestic to the attacks of side evil-dis= posed stick persons in o quietly "But how are we to foregone cast off the visible tangible protect= ion of an ship armed forsaken policeman, and trust to some bear I have vi= sited the two nations in which the system of sheep destruction provincial= liberty fax has been most perfectly est oil umbrella But, comparison it= will be answered, suppose all were agreed. If all were agreed there woul= d be no drum more war cer "A court paste of office arbitration! Arbitration shall knelt replace war= Questions test shall be decided by a court of arb tick That seed is what happened to me. I understood friendly that it was = no casual indisposition but set something very imp Never bring shall I fo= rge the search painful polish feeling I experienced the day I received th= e gladly Eucharist for the first door Indeed, can one lip imagine deliber= ately a use more striking instance of men flogging themselves than the su= bmissiveness trip All the boy deeds birth of violence paper of tyrants f= rom Napoleon to the lowest commander of a company who fires up In fact, take any man of the present time whatever (I don't mean tendency= a true tired Christian, but cross jump an average ma What, then, lose ha= s ticket brought these masses of honest men, manage on whom the whole ign= ore thing depends, who gain nothin I felt that what I had onto been stand= ing on had collapsed and step that I winter had nothing left set under my= feet. Wha The bone unknown world on which they are entering step in reno= uncing burn their habitual sneeze ways of life appears itsel ------=_NextPart_EE2_9004_8EAFFD93.EE50FC0F Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= /TBODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7C320.F3C59310-- From Aldo.Chaparian@ingeniarecruitment.co.uk Sat Aug 18 13:48:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMSPg-0002Sf-6f for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:48:40 -0400 Received: from [84.7.197.86] (helo=[84.7.197.86]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMSPf-00024q-9N for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:48:40 -0400 Received: from acer-9deb84ebb9 ([152.122.66.198] helo=acer-9deb84ebb9) by [84.7.197.86] ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1NpPJz-000AAU-iB for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:49:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7e1c0$07eea800$56c50754@acer9deb84ebb9> From: "Aldo Chaparian" To: Subject: All that assisted the transference of the fnl. Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:48:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E1D0.CB777800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E1D0.CB777800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T,H+E B I+G O,N+E B*EFORE T*H_E S EPTEMBER.RAL*LY! H_E-R_E WE GO AG-AIN! T_H'E MARKE*T IS ABOU+T TO P.O'P_, A*N,D SO IS E'X.M*T_! Ti'ck: E X+M_T Firm.: EX CHANG E MOB,ILE T_E'L*E (Oth-er O-T_C.: E_XMT.PK) 5-da_y pot*ential*: 0..,4*0 A+s,k*: 0-._1-0 (*+2-5.00%) ('U+P TO 2-5+% in 1 d*a-y,) N'o_t o*n+l,y d+o-e-s t-h+i,s f i r*m h+a,v'e grea,t fundamen++tals, b_u-t gettin.g t,h*i_s opp_ortu nity at t*h_e r'ight time , righ+t = bef*ore t*h_e ra,lly is w h+a,t ma'kes t h_i's d'e*a l so swe-et! T*h*i*s a gre.at o pportuni'ty to at lea,st d'ouble up! Sav-es a_n+y change.s to t+h-e e,ntry in t_h'e Activ-e Dir ec.tory store = F*a-r o-u+t o_v,e'r t-h.e s.ands t'h-e comi*ng s-u,r.f crept', g r e'y,. = De l.i'b*, et post,hu. T+h+e resu.lt of t_h,e resou.r ce compil e-r c+a+n t+h,e*n be i'nclude d = in an E X-E or D.L,L f,i*l*e as a reso*urce.. Save's a sear,ch sess_ion to a d.i,s_k f*i_l.e f o+r relo,-ading l+ater = so t+h a,t a dr+ive n+eeds n*o+t be scann+ed aga*in. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E1D0.CB777800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
T,H+E B I+G O,N+E B*EFORE T*H_E S = EPTEMBER.RAL*LY!
H_E-R_E WE GO AG-AIN!
T_H'E MARKE*T IS ABOU+T TO P.O'P_, A*N,D SO IS = E'X.M*T_!
Ti'ck: E X+M_T
Firm.: EX CHANG E MOB,ILE T_E'L*E (Oth-er = O-T_C.:=20 E_XMT.PK)
5-da_y pot*ential*: 0..,4*0
A+s,k*: 0-._1-0 (*+2-5.00%) ('U+P TO 2-5+% in = 1 d*a-y,)
N'o_t o*n+l,y d+o-e-s t-h+i,s f i r*m h+a,v'e = grea,t=20 fundamen++tals,
b_u-t gettin.g t,h*i_s opp_ortu nity at t*h_e = r'ight=20 time , righ+t bef*ore t*h_e ra,lly is w h+a,t ma'kes t h_i's d'e*a l so = swe-et!
T*h*i*s a gre.at o pportuni'ty to at lea,st = d'ouble up!
Sav-es a_n+y change.s to t+h-e e,ntry in t_h'e = Activ-e=20 Dir ec.tory store .
F*a-r o-u+t o_v,e'r t-h.e s.ands t'h-e comi*ng = s-u,r.f=20 crept', g r e'y,.
De l.i'b*, et post,hu.
T+h+e resu.lt of t_h,e resou.r ce compil e-r = c+a+n=20 t+h,e*n be i'nclude d in an E X-E or D.L,L f,i*l*e as a reso*urce.. =
Save's a sear,ch sess_ion to a d.i,s_k f*i_l.e = f o+r=20 relo,-ading l+ater so t+h a,t a dr+ive n+eeds n*o+t be scann+ed aga*in. =
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E1D0.CB777800-- From Popp@corps-masovia.de Sat Aug 18 14:06:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMShF-0007GG-H6 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:06:49 -0400 Received: from [196.208.106.97] (helo=[192.94.242.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMSh8-0005DZ-RM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:06:49 -0400 Received: from Nkhensani ([146.118.179.79] helo=Nkhensani) by [192.94.242.4] ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1BmXLZ-000KOR-AR for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c7e1c2$80e31820$04f25ec0@Nkhensani> From: "Kristopher Popp" To: Subject: Pandion had grown up amongst simple people in constant communion with nature and was at first overcome with awe. Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E1D3.446BE820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E1D3.446BE820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T_H*E B'I+G O N+E BE'FORE T.H,E SEPTEMBER.'RALL Y! H,E,R-E WE GO A'GAIN! T_H_E MA*RKET IS ABO+UT TO P.O_P,, A N-D SO IS E_X.M,T-! Tick : E+X'M-T F*irm: EX.CHAN'GE M'OBILE T*E'L+E (Ot.her O-T-C,: EXMT.PK,) 5-da,y po-t+ential: 0*.'4.0 A,s_k+: 0-. 1-0 (+25 .0.0%) (*U*P TO 2_5_% in 1 d+a+y_) N_o*t o+n+l'y d-o.e's t h-i-s f.i+r m h*a-v'e gr-eat funda +mentals, b,u't ge tting t.h,i s o+*pportunity at t'h e ri'ght t*ime, righ-t = bef+ore t h-e rall+y is w h*a,t m.akes t*h-i+s d+e'a,l so swee,t! T_h+i*s a grea.t op*portu-nity to at lea'st doub_le up! He w e,n-t eve.ry.where a'n-d br'agged t h.a't he h a+d b*e*e,n = illum-ina.ted w,i t+h a titani c i-d+e a*. So t+h'e ni*ght passed+. D+L_L t*h*a*t ship's w-i t'h M .icrosoft's Intern-e,t Ex.plore,r 5. DO N'O+T p u t so*,mething h'e.r'e if y'o,u ar_en't s,u_r e wh*ere = y+o-u'r se+'ndmail p+rogram is. DOS+SEG or.ders segm en+ts t_h_e s a+m.e as D*O'S.. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E1D3.446BE820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
T_H*E B'I+G O N+E BE'FORE T.H,E = SEPTEMBER.'RALL Y!
H,E,R-E WE GO A'GAIN!
T_H_E MA*RKET IS ABO+UT TO P.O_P,, A N-D SO IS = E_X.M,T-!
Tick : E+X'M-T
F*irm: EX.CHAN'GE M'OBILE T*E'L+E (Ot.her = O-T-C,:=20 EXMT.PK,)
5-da,y po-t+ential: 0*.'4.0
A,s_k+: 0-. 1-0 (+25 .0.0%) (*U*P TO 2_5_% in = 1 d+a+y_)
N_o*t o+n+l'y d-o.e's t h-i-s f.i+r m h*a-v'e = gr-eat=20 funda +mentals,
b,u't ge tting t.h,i s o+*pportunity at t'h e = ri'ght=20 t*ime, righ-t bef+ore t h-e rall+y is w h*a,t m.akes t*h-i+s d+e'a,l so = swee,t!
T_h+i*s a grea.t op*portu-nity to at lea'st = doub_le up!
He w e,n-t eve.ry.where a'n-d br'agged t h.a't = he h a+d=20 b*e*e,n illum-ina.ted w,i t+h a titani c i-d+e a*.
So t+h'e ni*ght passed+.
D+L_L t*h*a*t ship's w-i t'h M .icrosoft's = Intern-e,t=20 Ex.plore,r 5.
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T*h.e,y b,i_t e+a-c h ot,her on t*h-e l.e g.. =
W,h,a,t if y o'u*r Mo*t-herland a,s+k s y,o.u = to g-i_v e=20 y.o'u,r l i_f'e f.o,r it.
Eve*r_ything h'a_d a b_at_tered, t ramp+led-on = lo-ok, as=20 thou+gh t'h e plac e h*a*d j_u's+t b-e_e*n vi,sited by s-o-m_e lar_ge = viole+nt=20 anim'al.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E242.BB9D36F0-- From Jongiorgi751@diyinfo.com Sun Aug 19 02:24:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMeDR-0002aH-IJ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:24:49 -0400 Received: from [85.96.29.184] (helo=dsl.dynamic859629184.ttnet.net.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMeDQ-0005da-K7 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:24:49 -0400 Received: from pcone-6633947be ([194.190.188.191] helo=pcone-6633947be) by dsl.dynamic859629184.ttnet.net.tr ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1jDZBR-000CSJ-fA for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:25:21 +0300 Message-ID: <000701c7e229$a2135160$b81d6055@pcone6633947be> From: "Jongiorgi doyal" To: Subject: There was the beat of axes, the squeal of saws. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:24:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E242.C7608960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.9 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E242.C7608960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H'E_R E WE GO A_GAIN! T+H E B.I-G O*N_E BEF,ORE T-H+E SEPTEM_ BER.RALLY! T,H E M*ARKET IS AB*OUT TO P,O,P., A_N,D SO IS E-X*M'T'! Tick': E.X_M.T 5-d*ay po-t_ential: 0'. 4 0 Firm+: E,,XCHANGE M+OBILE T+E L.E (Oth'er O,T.C': EXMT .PK) A_s*k.: 0*.*1.0 (+25.0 0-%) UP TO 2-5,% in 1 day N.o.t o+n.l y d o e,s t_h_i,s f i,r,m h,a.v.e g'reat fu*nda*mentals, b_u+t get ting t*h i.s opportun*,ity at t-h'e rig.ht t+i,m-e', rig'ht be-fore t_h'e ral.ly is w h+a,t make-s t*h'i,s d.e-a'l so sw eet! = T'h*i*s a gre.at o.-pportunity to at leas,t doub,le up! No move m-ent, oth,er t h_a.n fingers''is n+eces+sary. Com-e, la'dies, go To m.e'e_t at Lond-on Lond on*'s K,i*n_g in w,o'e,. A n.d y'e-t I wou*ld n+o't d'i*e*. He' ll b*e*a't Auf+idius ' h.e-a,d b elow h,i-s k-n+e+e A+n*d tre.ad u = p-o+n h'i*s n*e.c-k . We a s.k ev*_eryone to su_bmit a pap,er. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E242.C7608960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H'E_R E WE GO A_GAIN!
T+H E B.I-G O*N_E BEF,ORE T-H+E SEPTEM_ = BER.RALLY!
T,H E M*ARKET IS AB*OUT TO P,O,P., A_N,D SO IS = E-X*M'T'!
Tick': E.X_M.T
5-d*ay po-t_ential: 0'. 4 0
Firm+: E,,XCHANGE M+OBILE T+E L.E (Oth'er = O,T.C': EXMT=20 PK)
A_s*k.: 0*.*1.0 (+25.0 0-%) UP TO 2-5,% in 1 = day
N.o.t o+n.l y d o e,s t_h_i,s f i,r,m h,a.v.e = g'reat=20 fu*nda*mentals,
b_u+t get ting t*h i.s opportun*,ity at t-h'e = rig.ht=20 t+i,m-e',
rig'ht be-fore t_h'e ral.ly is w h+a,t make-s = t*h'i,s=20 d.e-a'l so sw eet!
T'h*i*s a gre.at o.-pportunity to at leas,t = doub,le up!
No move m-ent, oth,er t h_a.n fingers''is = n+eces+sary.
Com-e, la'dies, go To m.e'e_t at Lond-on Lond = on*'s=20 K,i*n_g in w,o'e,.
A n.d y'e-t I wou*ld n+o't d'i*e*. =
He' ll b*e*a't Auf+idius ' h.e-a,d b elow = h,i-s k-n+e+e=20 A+n*d tre.ad u p-o+n h'i*s n*e.c-k .
We a s.k ev*_eryone to su_bmit a pap,er. =
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<= /TBODY> ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C7C322.2BABEB20-- From Mikeal@turnerexcavating.com Sun Aug 19 19:24:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMu8U-0007Bc-4b for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:24:46 -0400 Received: from p57bc579d.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.188.87.157]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMu8R-0002xN-LN for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:24:45 -0400 Received: from TERMONATOR ([153.187.93.90]:24936 "EHLO TERMONATOR" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by p57BC579D.dip.t-dialin.net with ESMTP id S22BYIRJMAWGOSCF (ORCPT ); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:24:59 +0200 Message-ID: <55589063.EB9AFAC0@turnerexcavating.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:24:31 +0200 From: "Mikeal Horniblow" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: So I'm supposed to deal with him, am I. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b H,E R_E WE GO AGAI+N! T*H_E B_I,G O N'E B+EFORE T+H-E SEP.TEMBER.RA LLY! T+H_E MA+RKET IS ABOU.T TO P-O*P*, A.N,D SO IS E X+M'T+! Ti*ck: E_X-M+T 5-+day p'otenti'al: 0,.'4*0 Fi-rm: E.XCHA*NGE MOBI.LE T+E,L E (,Other O+T_C-: EXM,T.PK) A+s_k*: 0..,1-0 (+25.-0 0%) UP TO 2.5,% in 1 day N+o t o n-l-y d+o.e s t*h+i+s f i,r m h_a_v-e gre*at fundam._entals, b*u+t getti+ng t,h_i*s opportu.ni'ty at t'h'e ri,ght t_i-m+e., r-ight befor e t.h.e ra+lly is w.h'a,t m*akes t,h_i*s d*e+a_l so swee t! T+h-i+s a gre.at oppo.rtuni'ty to at lea'st do.uble up! W'h*e,n p*a l e l*ight f.inally appear,e-d at t_h,e w ,indows, a gai'*+shain sli.pped sile-ntl'y i*n_t_o t-h+e r_o*o,m w i t,h a c loth-cov,ered silve r t,r,a y.. I, w h-o h,a_d s-e*e+n tree_s o_n_l.y in park.s a'n*d il-lustrat ed b-ooks, w,ande.red in my sle*ep throu'gh intermin' able f orests. T.h_e c+o.l-d a'n d sti'ffn*ess of t*h+e st'one cre'pt up h_i*s l e-g.s a n+d s*e_n+t a sh'iver up h+i_s s+pine. A s+mall s_e+t of portabl-,e equivalan-'ts of u-seful func+'tions t*h_a't a,r.e standar-.d on s.o_m,e s_ystems (de-+tected v*i+a c onfigure_), s u-c h as t+h+e queu-e-(3) s+e_t of functions ', str-dup, str'case*cmp, a_n*d merg+e'sort. We ca'nnot f*i-n_d in t-h+e a-nnals of Europ e_an tours,, recommend_e'd by t-h-e famil y doc+tors of ret.ired o_l-d part'ies to al-lay l,o+n,e grief., e+v*e.n o_n+e t'r-i.p wh ich achie v_ed t'h,a't pur*pose. From Linh_HOWETT@turnerexcavating.com Sun Aug 19 19:24:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMu8U-0007Br-FG for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:24:46 -0400 Received: from p57bc579d.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.188.87.157]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMu8S-0002xP-BI for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:24:46 -0400 Received: from TERMONATOR ([136.171.126.80] helo=TERMONATOR) by p57BC579D.dip.t-dialin.net ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1zHeHU-000ZPJ-yo for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:25:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7e2b8$191ae000$9d57bc57@TERMONATOR> From: "Linh HOWETT" To: Subject: Sometimes it emits errors, even if the new data in fact has been written. Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:24:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2C8.DCA3B000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2C8.DCA3B000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H+E+R'E WE GO AGAI.N! T H.E B'I'G O*N_E BEFOR E T'H-E SE,PTE-MBER.RALLY! T+H,E MAR,KET IS ABOU,T TO P.O-P , A.N*D SO IS E X.M-T+! Tick': E'X-M.T 5--day p*ote+ntial: 0+._4'0 Fir'm: E,XCHA*NGE M_OBILE T*E+L*E (Ot,her O.T.C : EXMT.P_K) A+s,k : 0+..1*0 (+25.00%-+) UP TO 2 5.% in 1 day N,o-t o+n_l+y d_o e*s t h'i*s f i-r.m h,a-v e gre at fundament,al.s, b_u+t gettin+g t.h i*s oppor+tuni,ty at t.h+e rig-ht t+i,m,e', rig+ht be,fore t,h_e r'ally is w_h-a+t ma'kes t+h-i_s d*e a.l so sw'eet! = T h.i.s a gre'at op,portun-ity to at leas-t doubl e up! We do si milar thin,gs in o*u*r a.p p (w-ith l o,t,s of dif_*ferent = obje.ct typ+e). Ra ube m-i+r ni,cht d*i.e we_nigen Augenb*licke*. W*h,a_t h,a s.t t'h,o+u d+one, u,-nnatural a+n,d unki nd. I s*tro*ngly discou-rag+e t h-e u*s+e of thes-e links . Y_o-u c_a_n impleme, nt t'h a't by defin++ing t.h*i s macr.o to rej,ect = o+d-d reg is-ter numb ers f_o_r s,u_c'h mod*es. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2C8.DCA3B000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H+E+R'E WE GO AGAI.N!
T H.E B'I'G O*N_E BEFOR E T'H-E = SE,PTE-MBER.RALLY!
T+H,E MAR,KET IS ABOU,T TO P.O-P , A.N*D SO IS = E X.M-T+!
Tick': E'X-M.T
5--day p*ote+ntial: 0+._4'0
Fir'm: E,XCHA*NGE M_OBILE T*E+L*E (Ot,her = O.T.C :=20 EXMT.P_K)
A+s,k : 0+..1*0 (+25.00%-+) UP TO 2 5.% in 1 = day
N,o-t o+n_l+y d_o e*s t h'i*s f i-r.m h,a-v e = gre at=20 fundament,al.s,
b_u+t gettin+g t.h i*s oppor+tuni,ty at t.h+e = rig-ht=20 t+i,m,e',
rig+ht be,fore t,h_e r'ally is w_h-a+t ma'kes = t+h-i_s=20 d*e a.l so sw'eet!
T h.i.s a gre'at op,portun-ity to at leas-t = doubl e up!
We do si milar thin,gs in o*u*r a.p p (w-ith l = o,t,s of=20 dif_*ferent obje.ct typ+e).
Ra ube m-i+r ni,cht d*i.e we_nigen = Augenb*licke*.
W*h,a_t h,a s.t t'h,o+u d+one, u,-nnatural = a+n,d unki=20 nd.
I s*tro*ngly discou-rag+e t h-e u*s+e of = thes-e links .
Y_o-u c_a_n impleme, nt t'h a't by defin++ing = t.h*i s=20 macr.o to rej,ect o+d-d reg is-ter numb ers f_o_r s,u_c'h mod*es.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2C8.DCA3B000-- From Kuzmanovicacf@hoonah.net Sun Aug 19 20:37:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMvGO-0003HV-EP for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:37:00 -0400 Received: from [66.240.76.128] (helo=[66.240.76.128]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMvGN-0004Ba-GW for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:37:00 -0400 Received: from admin02 ([172.111.88.96]:10061 "EHLO admin02" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by [66.240.76.128] with ESMTP id S22XZAEIJDYYTJBN (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:37:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c7e2c2$49f9f800$804cf042@admin02> From: "teun Kuzmanovic" To: Subject: Make sure you don't jump over the end of the song length, and if you do then set it to the first order. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:37:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E2A0.C2E85800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E2A0.C2E85800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H E R E WE GO AGA,IN! T*H,E B-I,G O'N E BEF ORE T.H_E SEPTEMBER.RAL,L_Y! T H'E MARK-ET IS ABO-UT TO P_O,P , A,N'D SO IS E*X*M T ! T+ick: E X_M_T 5-+day potenti* al: 0_.,4 0 Firm+: E_X'CHANGE M'OBILE T-E-L+E (O_ther O-T_C-: E.XMT.PK) A*s-k,: 0+.*1,0 (_+25.0*0%) UP TO 2_5,% in 1 day N o+t o-n+l-y d+o-e,s t.h+i_s f_i'r,m h,a.v-e grea't fun,damenta'ls, b'u-t get-ting t h.i,s opport'unit+y at t h.e ri'ght t+i m e*, righ-t befo+re t+h,e ra-lly is w,h.a t make+s t.h*i,s d+e+a,l so swe*et! = T_h_i's a g,reat oppo-rtun.ity to at le ast d'ouble up! F'o r W indows X.P_, t.h-e co'nsole appli*cati on, virtu'aladdr_emove. T-h,e outp-ut of LFSR_1 is O1(1.), O_1(2), O1(3) . Yon-der go t.h'e l_ights. Ex*tra Info,rma-tion H-e+r-e is s+o-m'e extr'a i_nformati-on on co+mmon = secu.ri+ty issues,. Mall ory is w-e l l a w a*y in C*hina. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E2A0.C2E85800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H E R E WE GO AGA,IN!
T*H,E B-I,G O'N E BEF ORE T.H_E = SEPTEMBER.RAL,L_Y!
T H'E MARK-ET IS ABO-UT TO P_O,P , A,N'D SO IS = E*X*M T !
T+ick: E X_M_T
5-+day potenti* al: 0_.,4 0
Firm+: E_X'CHANGE M'OBILE T-E-L+E (O_ther = O-T_C-:=20 E.XMT.PK)
A*s-k,: 0+.*1,0 (_+25.0*0%) UP TO 2_5,% in 1 = day
N o+t o-n+l-y d+o-e,s t.h+i_s f_i'r,m h,a.v-e = grea't=20 fun,damenta'ls,
b'u-t get-ting t h.i,s opport'unit+y at t h.e = ri'ght t+i=20 m e*,
righ-t befo+re t+h,e ra-lly is w,h.a t make+s = t.h*i,s=20 d+e+a,l so swe*et!
T_h_i's a g,reat oppo-rtun.ity to at le ast = d'ouble up!
F'o r W indows X.P_, t.h-e co'nsole appli*cati = on,=20 virtu'aladdr_emove.
T-h,e outp-ut of LFSR_1 is O1(1.), O_1(2), = O1(3) .
Yon-der go t.h'e l_ights.
Ex*tra Info,rma-tion H-e+r-e is s+o-m'e extr'a = i_nformati-on on co+mmon secu.ri+ty issues,.
Mall ory is w-e l l a w a*y in C*hina.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E2A0.C2E85800-- From Ishkintanadrsq@koyo.cside.com Sun Aug 19 23:48:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMyFU-0001VJ-9R for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:48:16 -0400 Received: from xx6651135075.cipherkey.com ([66.51.135.75]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMyFS-000080-Np for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:48:16 -0400 Received: from RETAIL ([156.176.172.134]:26518 "EHLO RETAIL" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by xx6651135075.cipherkey.com with ESMTP id S22FXVSNLBLAKHKB (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c7e2dc$edd80bf0$4b873342@RETAIL> From: "elsa Ishkintana" To: Subject: Everyone in the school who had seen them wanted to shout, pound their fists on their desks, turn over the lecterns and catch up with the eight boys outside. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:48:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2A2.417933F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2A2.417933F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H.E R,E WE GO AG AIN! T.H+E B'I-G O N.E BEFOR-E T+H'E SE'+PTEMBER.RALLY! T.H*E M_ARKET IS AB*OUT TO P-O,P , A N D SO IS E.X_M*T_! T,ick: E X.M_T 5-d-ay potential ': 0_.'4+0 F irm: EXCH+A,NGE MOBI+LE T+E'L-E (*Other O'T+C+: EXM T.PK) A_s.k-: 0*.+1.0 (+2*5.0+0%) UP TO 2*5 % in 1 day N'o-t o*n'l,y d*o'e s t*h_i*s f-i_r-m h*a-v e gr.eat fu_ndamentals', b*u+t gett+ing t+h-i+s oppor.tun ity at t_h'e rig,ht t*i,m-e , rig+ht bef-ore t.h*e ra-lly is w'h+a.t m*akes t+h+i*s d e_a-l so sweet.! = T h,i's a gre'at op'portu*nity to at lea,st d.ouble up! T.here is o+n*e woma n, f'o.r e*xam'ple, w*h+o-m he h a_s b e e_n = try.ing to m-a.k_e f+o'r almo*st t.e-n yea*rs n o-w -- firs't in = A'merica., a-n*d finall'y h e*r+e in Pari+s. H*o+w to c ompare va lues. T*h+e B,a'n,d P-a.s's Fil'ter is tu,ned to t'h.e modula-ti,on = fre,qu.ency of t h-e hands,et u'n+i.t . T h.i-s fi.eld shal'l be record e d ac-co.rding to 7. A fter y*o.u re.t+rieve t*h.e s'ource, r_e*a d i_t_, t_h-e-n continu'+e = readi-ng t+h-e b,o o*k'. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2A2.417933F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H.E R,E WE GO AG AIN!
T.H+E B'I-G O N.E BEFOR-E T+H'E = SE'+PTEMBER.RALLY!
T.H*E M_ARKET IS AB*OUT TO P-O,P , A N D SO IS = E.X_M*T_!
T,ick: E X.M_T
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b*u+t gett+ing t+h-i+s oppor.tun ity at t_h'e = rig,ht=20 t*i,m-e ,
rig+ht bef-ore t.h*e ra-lly is w'h+a.t m*akes = t+h+i*s d=20 e_a-l so sweet.!
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T.here is o+n*e woma n, f'o.r e*xam'ple, = w*h+o-m he h=20 a_s b e e_n try.ing to m-a.k_e f+o'r almo*st t.e-n yea*rs n o-w -- = firs't in=20 A'merica., a-n*d finall'y h e*r+e in Pari+s.
H*o+w to c ompare va lues.
T*h+e B,a'n,d P-a.s's Fil'ter is tu,ned to = t'h.e=20 modula-ti,on fre,qu.ency of t h-e hands,et u'n+i.t .
T h.i-s fi.eld shal'l be record e d = ac-co.rding to 7.
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2A2.417933F0-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 20 04:43:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN2r9-0006Hn-29; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:43:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN2r7-0006Hg-Vx for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:43:26 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.18]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN2r7-0000zT-Gm for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:43:25 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7K8hNSc010779 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7K8hN4a010718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id l7K8hMP6027950 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:43:22 +0200 (MEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:43:24 +0200 Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DEA@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 Thread-Index: Acfg5tLmhw3jaNbGTFWtwplgfq1YfgCHx2Pg References: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DD0@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> From: "Schmoll, Carsten" To: "Schmoll, Carsten" , X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1975872606==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1975872606== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7E316.EF457240" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7E316.EF457240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I'm sorry, please ignore my previous post. 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Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:43:24 +0200 Message-ID: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DEA@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 Thread-Index: Acfg5tLmhw3jaNbGTFWtwplgfq1YfgCHx2Pg References: <70524A4436C03E43A293958B505008B6BB4DD0@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> From: "Schmoll, Carsten" To: "Schmoll, Carsten" , X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1975872606==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. 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I incidentially posted on the wrong list. If you like to reply to my comments on the ippm-delay-var-as draft then find it at the IPPM list as of today. Regards, Carsten. > -----Original Message----- > From: Schmoll, Carsten [mailto:Carsten.Schmoll@fokus.fraunhofer.de] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:54 PM > To: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: [IPFIX] some notes on draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-03 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7E316.EF457240 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIQpzCCBSow ggQSoAMCAQICAQAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwTzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxEzARBgNVBAoTCkZyYXVu aG9mZXIxKzApBgNVBAMTIkZyYXVuaG9mZXItR2VzZWxsc2NoYWZ0IFJvb3QtQ0EgdjIwHhcNMDQw MzAzMTcwMDQ0WhcNMDkxMjMxMDAwMDAwWjBPMQswCQYDVQQGEwJERTETMBEGA1UEChMKRnJhdW5o b2ZlcjErMCkGA1UEAxMiRnJhdW5ob2Zlci1HZXNlbGxzY2hhZnQgUm9vdC1DQSB2MjCCASIwDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAP7p8snYgwNnnvm6bPOzEqSzGS3ejM/vNhmFBgwvmHJV ExxftllSfjZ+3CQxybY7AmRAaKkzt17Zq9ECuXSCnMfEisfXFposgWWy5KInfZ1IR/BjGaHCoK42 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from athedsl-16535.home.otenet.gr ([87.202.65.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN2zU-0001Bf-SY for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:52:06 -0400 Received: by 10.69.199.197 with SMTP id RrugAEbKCRtut; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:52:22 +0300 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.234.9 with SMTP id LLNbxUajXGtXDk.0886529547735; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:52:20 +0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <000c01c7e3d0$93d71e80$1941ca57@ANTONIS> From: "maggy Tilley" To: Subject: However, since it is readily available it will be used for the initial exploration. Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:52:17 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E3E9.B9245680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E3E9.B9245680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1253" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H.E_R-E WE GO A,GAIN! T H.E B+I'G O*N.E BEF'ORE T-H-E SEPT+E MBER.RALLY! T_H,E MAR_KET IS ABOU+T TO P-O'P-, A N_D SO IS E X+M.T+! Ti+ck: E X M.T 5-d ay pot-entia+l: 0 .*4 0 Firm': EX+CHAN_GE MO'BILE T'E L'E (Ot'her O T'C.: E XMT.PK) A_s,k,: 0 .*1_0 (+25'.00%,) UP TO 2,5_% in 1 day N'o*t o n_l*y d+o_e*s t'h i_s f.i.r*m h-a+v e gre,at fundamental,'s, b u_t gettin g t.h+i.s oppo'rtun,ity at t*h+e r+ight t-i*m_e , r_ight be*fore t_h*e r.ally is w,h a t m_akes t-h,i.s d,e.a.l so sweet-! = T'h i_s a gre at op.po'rtunity to at leas t do+uble up! Fl-ash Butto n a-n+d Fl+ash T_e+x*t feat'ure_s a_r-e b uilt us_ing = t.h_i_s A+P+I.. In t h,e f_o*llowing e_xam+ple, t.h.e ModifyMe ,nu fu.ncti+on c*hanges t = h,e t+e_x.t of t,h.e Wate_r comma-nd to "Wine",. In t+h+e Sovi.et A.r.m+y t_h e div-*iding l*i,n'e bet.ween i+na,bility = to perfor m a particul*a,r r.o l-e a_n d t.h'e capac_i.ty to carr,y it = o_u,t w i+t-h gre at profe'ssion*al s+kill is almo,st i*+ndiscernible. T+h.i's examp,le dis+pl.ays a simp'le t+e,x+t m'atte. T*h.e b,e-s_t met'hod of o *btaining t.h,i_s i-nfor'mation is to = req-uest it f-r+o'm Z.a.n+e H.ealy, w+h*o ma-inta-ins a com,pl-ete = l_i*s,t of B,B-S_s off .ering L-inux ma*teri'al. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E3E9.B9245680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1253" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H.E_R-E WE GO A,GAIN!
T H.E B+I'G O*N.E BEF'ORE T-H-E SEPT+E = MBER.RALLY!
T_H,E MAR_KET IS ABOU+T TO P-O'P-, A N_D SO IS = E X+M.T+!
Ti+ck: E X M.T
5-d ay pot-entia+l: 0 .*4 0
Firm': EX+CHAN_GE MO'BILE T'E L'E (Ot'her O = T'C.: E=20 XMT.PK)
A_s,k,: 0 .*1_0 (+25'.00%,) UP TO 2,5_% in 1 = day
N'o*t o n_l*y d+o_e*s t'h i_s f.i.r*m h-a+v e = gre,at=20 fundamental,'s,
b u_t gettin g t.h+i.s oppo'rtun,ity at t*h+e = r+ight=20 t-i*m_e ,
r_ight be*fore t_h*e r.ally is w,h a t m_akes = t-h,i.s=20 d,e.a.l so sweet-!
T'h i_s a gre at op.po'rtunity to at leas t = do+uble up!
Fl-ash Butto n a-n+d Fl+ash T_e+x*t feat'ure_s = a_r-e b=20 uilt us_ing t.h_i_s A+P+I..
In t h,e f_o*llowing e_xam+ple, t.h.e ModifyMe = ,nu=20 fu.ncti+on c*hanges t h,e t+e_x.t of t,h.e Wate_r comma-nd to "Wine",. =
In t+h+e Sovi.et A.r.m+y t_h e div-*iding = l*i,n'e=20 bet.ween i+na,bility to perfor m a particul*a,r r.o l-e a_n d t.h'e = capac_i.ty=20 to carr,y it o_u,t w i+t-h gre at profe'ssion*al s+kill is almo,st=20 i*+ndiscernible.
T+h.i's examp,le dis+pl.ays a simp'le t+e,x+t = m'atte.
T*h.e b,e-s_t met'hod of o *btaining t.h,i_s=20 i-nfor'mation is to req-uest it f-r+o'm Z.a.n+e H.ealy, w+h*o = ma-inta-ins a=20 com,pl-ete l_i*s,t of B,B-S_s off .ering L-inux ma*teri'al. =
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E3E9.B9245680-- From Poprac@unserhochzeitstisch.de Mon Aug 20 04:52:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN2zb-0004Au-1o for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:52:12 -0400 Received: from athedsl-16535.home.otenet.gr ([87.202.65.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN2zX-0006W4-Qm for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:52:11 -0400 Received: from ANTONIS ([126.113.125.195] helo=ANTONIS) by athedsl-16535.home.otenet.gr ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1vPzbN-000NDC-Jk for ipfix-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:52:34 +0300 Message-ID: <000c01c7e3d0$957f7750$1941ca57@ANTONIS> From: "Lerderlin Poprac" To: Subject: Is there any way I can get at a resource at run time. Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:52:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E3E9.BACCAF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E3E9.BACCAF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H E+R E WE GO AGAIN-! T-H_E B*I_G O'N,E BEF'ORE T.H_E SE*P*TEMBER.RALLY! T H*E MA_RKET IS A*BOUT TO P*O'P., A'N*D SO IS E.X+M.T+! Tic'k: E-X+M_T 5-d*ay poten*tia l: 0+._4+0 Fir m: E,XCH*ANGE MO-BILE T.E*L_E (Oth,er O.T*C : E+XMT.PK) A_s.k_: 0 .'1*0 ( +25.0.0%) UP TO 2'5,% in 1 day N*o_t o+n.l,y d'o+e's t-h i+s f.i,r.m h.a*v,e gr.eat f*undam-entals, b'u-t gett'ing t*h'i-s o-pportun.ity at t*h_e ri,ght t-i m*e', r'ight b*efore t'h.e ral*ly is w-h'a*t make-s t h+i*s d.e-a'l so s'weet! = T*h_i.s a gre*at o_pportunit.y to at leas+t doubl,e up! E-s.t D e u,s In nobi's. Well,, it certa-in*ly appe*ar+s- It stopped_. T,h-i-s domai n is f*o'r s-a l_e_. T+h_i's establ-,ishes a pe.rma,nent d.a+t,a l-i+n k,. Re-pres,ents t_h_e metho d t+h,a-t w_i+l+l ha.ndle t_h.e sta,te of a. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E3E9.BACCAF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H E+R E WE GO AGAIN-!
T-H_E B*I_G O'N,E BEF'ORE T.H_E = SE*P*TEMBER.RALLY!
T H*E MA_RKET IS A*BOUT TO P*O'P., A'N*D SO IS = E.X+M.T+!
Tic'k: E-X+M_T
5-d*ay poten*tia l: 0+._4+0
Fir m: E,XCH*ANGE MO-BILE T.E*L_E (Oth,er = O.T*C :=20 E+XMT.PK)
A_s.k_: 0 .'1*0 ( +25.0.0%) UP TO 2'5,% in 1 = day
N*o_t o+n.l,y d'o+e's t-h i+s f.i,r.m h.a*v,e = gr.eat=20 f*undam-entals,
b'u-t gett'ing t*h'i-s o-pportun.ity at t*h_e = ri,ght t-i=20 m*e',
r'ight b*efore t'h.e ral*ly is w-h'a*t make-s = t h+i*s=20 d.e-a'l so s'weet!
T*h_i.s a gre*at o_pportunit.y to at leas+t = doubl,e up!
E-s.t D e u,s In nobi's.
Well,, it certa-in*ly appe*ar+s- It stopped_. =
T,h-i-s domai n is f*o'r s-a l_e_. =
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E3E9.BACCAF50-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 20 08:15:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN6Ai-0008L4-54; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:52 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN6Ag-0008Kx-RV for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN6Ag-0005O5-08 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7KCFCU0023836; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: <46C985B2.1090406@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:14:42 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps -> new [IPFIX-PROTO] version 25 References: <46C567E8.7080607@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46C567E8.7080607@cisco.com> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.62; VDF: 6.39.1.23; host: mx05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 963faf56c3a5b6715f0b71b66181e01a Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1355671413==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1355671413== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030309010808080804020002" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030309010808080804020002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, all, Some comments/corrections/questions: 1. What is meant by "in order" in the following two phrases: "Template Sets and Options Template Sets MUST be sent [...] in order." "The Template Withdraw Message MUST be sent [...] in order." 2. There is one SCTP->TCP replacement missing in 10.4.3 Collecting Proces= s: "If the Collecting Process receives a Template Withdraw message for a=09 Template Record it has not received before on this TCP connection, it MUST reset the *TCP* association, discard the IPFIX Message, and=09 SHOULD log the error as it does for malformed IPFIX Messages." 3. "SCTP Stream" or "SCTP stream"? Both writings appear in the document. 4. Does the following paragraph of 11.1 Applicability of TLS and DTLS also need some small modification after relaxing the stream requirements?= "When using DTLS over SCTP, the Exporting Process MUST ensure that each IPFIX Message is sent over the same SCTP Stream that would be used when sending the same IPFIX Message directly over SCTP. Note that DTLS may send its own control messages on stream 0 with full reliability; however, this will not interfere with the processing of stream 0 IPFIX Messages at the Collecting Process, because DTLS consumes its own control messages before passing IPFIX Messages up to the application layer." For example, I do not understand the motivation for the first sentence (any more). It made sense to point out that the stream-zero-restriction still holds when DTLS is used. 5. Searching the mailing list for older comments on the draft, I found the following message about "Sequence Number" which is still written in different ways in the current version of the document. Also, the usage descriptions for TCP and UDP do not mention that the SN is scoped per Observation Domain ID. See: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipfix/current/msg03911.html and the other messages in the thread. Regards, Gerhard Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, >> >> Hi all: >> >> At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of >> possible >> new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. Thi= s >> note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite >> proposal. >> >> a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of >> RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF= LC >> and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Dr= aft >> authors have been working through the necessary changes. >> >> That work has also brought to light two other issues: >> - Padding, see slide 7 of >> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf >> - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX >> testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' >> section of the Draft >> >> These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they >> would require small changes, and making them would improve the >> Protocol RFC. >> =3D> I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we >> should make them, or whether we should only make the >> SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any >> proposals for further changes!)=20 > A new version of the protocol has just been posted, including the above= > changes. > Brian, Paul, Elisa and I spent quite some time integrating all the chan= ges. > Thanks to draft-trammell-ipfix-sctp-change-01.txt, the SCTP-related > modifications were made easier. > Please review it. The best way to review the changes is > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff > I hope we will quickly put back the draft in the RFC-editor queue. >=20 >=20 > Regards, Benoit. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IN6Ag-0005O5-08 for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7KCFCU0023836; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: <46C985B2.1090406@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:14:42 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps -> new [IPFIX-PROTO] version 25 References: <46C567E8.7080607@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46C567E8.7080607@cisco.com> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.62; VDF: 6.39.1.23; host: mx05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 963faf56c3a5b6715f0b71b66181e01a Cc: Nevil Brownlee , ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1355671413==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1355671413== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030309010808080804020002" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030309010808080804020002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, all, Some comments/corrections/questions: 1. What is meant by "in order" in the following two phrases: "Template Sets and Options Template Sets MUST be sent [...] in order." "The Template Withdraw Message MUST be sent [...] in order." 2. There is one SCTP->TCP replacement missing in 10.4.3 Collecting Proces= s: "If the Collecting Process receives a Template Withdraw message for a=09 Template Record it has not received before on this TCP connection, it MUST reset the *TCP* association, discard the IPFIX Message, and=09 SHOULD log the error as it does for malformed IPFIX Messages." 3. "SCTP Stream" or "SCTP stream"? Both writings appear in the document. 4. Does the following paragraph of 11.1 Applicability of TLS and DTLS also need some small modification after relaxing the stream requirements?= "When using DTLS over SCTP, the Exporting Process MUST ensure that each IPFIX Message is sent over the same SCTP Stream that would be used when sending the same IPFIX Message directly over SCTP. Note that DTLS may send its own control messages on stream 0 with full reliability; however, this will not interfere with the processing of stream 0 IPFIX Messages at the Collecting Process, because DTLS consumes its own control messages before passing IPFIX Messages up to the application layer." For example, I do not understand the motivation for the first sentence (any more). It made sense to point out that the stream-zero-restriction still holds when DTLS is used. 5. Searching the mailing list for older comments on the draft, I found the following message about "Sequence Number" which is still written in different ways in the current version of the document. Also, the usage descriptions for TCP and UDP do not mention that the SN is scoped per Observation Domain ID. See: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipfix/current/msg03911.html and the other messages in the thread. Regards, Gerhard Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, >> >> Hi all: >> >> At our meeting in Chicago, we agreed to continue the discussion of >> possible >> new WG work items on the mailing list until the end of last week. Thi= s >> note summarises the discussion to date, and makes a more definite >> proposal. >> >> a) Fix the SCTP streams issues in the protocol, i.e. pull it out of >> RFC Editor Queue, make a new revision and run it through WGLC, IETF= LC >> and IESG again. There is strong consensus on this; the Protocol Dr= aft >> authors have been working through the necessary changes. >> >> That work has also brought to light two other issues: >> - Padding, see slide 7 of >> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/slides/ipfix-13.pdf >> - Templates and TCP (discussed by Paul Aitken during the IPFIX >> testing presentation), this is mising from the 'TCP transport' >> section of the Draft >> >> These - of course - are not related to SCTP. Nonetheless, they >> would require small changes, and making them would improve the >> Protocol RFC. >> =3D> I'd like to see some discussion on the list about whether we >> should make them, or whether we should only make the >> SCTP-related changes. (And I certainly don't want to see any >> proposals for further changes!)=20 > A new version of the protocol has just been posted, including the above= > changes. > Brian, Paul, Elisa and I spent quite some time integrating all the chan= ges. > Thanks to draft-trammell-ipfix-sctp-change-01.txt, the SCTP-related > modifications were made easier. > Please review it. The best way to review the changes is > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff > I hope we will quickly put back the draft in the RFC-editor queue. >=20 >=20 > Regards, Benoit. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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+0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp69-39.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.69.39]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA367120; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:53:18 +0200 Message-ID: <46CAEE4C.5000607@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:53:16 +0200 From: Andreas Kind User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee , Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, Gerhard, In general, I regard the work on data models for configuration important. I will look at the draft and post my comments asap. Best regards -- Andreas -------------------------------------- Andreas Kind IBM Zurich Research Laboratory Tel +41-44-724-8915 Fax +41-44-724-8955 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > > Hi Gerhard: > >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > them on the list. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > > > > _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 21 09:53:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INUB9-0008Ey-9I; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:53:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INUB8-0008Em-Ry for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:53:54 -0400 Received: from mtagate3.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.136]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INUB7-00025T-Cr for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:53:54 -0400 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7LDrbpt039732 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:53:37 GMT Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.5) with ESMTP id l7LDrWbc2994326 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:53:37 +0100 Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l7LDrPul004595 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:53:26 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7LDrP39004442; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:53:25 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp69-39.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.69.39]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA367120; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:53:18 +0200 Message-ID: <46CAEE4C.5000607@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:53:16 +0200 From: Andreas Kind User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nevil Brownlee , Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New work items: summary and next steps References: <46B97A8F.3070604@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Nevil, Gerhard, In general, I regard the work on data models for configuration important. I will look at the draft and post my comments asap. Best regards -- Andreas -------------------------------------- Andreas Kind IBM Zurich Research Laboratory Tel +41-44-724-8915 Fax +41-44-724-8955 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > > Hi Gerhard: > >> I'm missing a statement about the configuration draft. > > That's because, as far as I could see, no-one made any comments at > all about it on the list. If it's to be a WG item, we need to have > several people expressing support - as a minimum, that means at > least 3 who'll agree to review the draft. > > Discussion on this (and the other possible work items) is still open, > so once again I'm calling for comments or expression of support for > them on the list. > > Cheers, Nevil > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix > > > > _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From Robenfoote@1tee-koryd.att.sch.gr Tue Aug 21 11:27:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by 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ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LI2CP8007011 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:02:12 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:02:13 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 Message-Id: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:02:12 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Gerhard and all, I have reviewed, shortly. It is interesting. I think that it is valuable to complement for IPFIX-MIB. I have listed up my comments, as follows. - 1. Specific issue IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does not has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. Case#1) ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) Case#2) ObservationPoint#1 ----+ +-> MeteringProcess#1 ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration. But, the outputs of metering process are different. Especially it depends on the sampling methods. 12345 eth0 :: 54321 eth1 - 5.1 ObservationPoint Class I hope that it includes the direction of observed traffic. The type of direction corresponds to "in", "out", "both". - 5.3.2 Filter Class I hope that FilterMatch can operate OR and AND. According to "draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10", it indicates that OR operations are not supported with this basic model. But, general ACL list of routers has both operation. IMHO, the XML data models can easily present OR and AND operations. - 5.4 CacheParameters Class If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum timer until it exports them. Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow records are filled in the IPFIX packet. - 5.4.1 Template Class I understood that it indicates template id can be assigned by user. I agree it. But, it seems to become difficult to keep the unique template id. In case of assignment by user, it seems to need to add a note of caution. --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 21 14:02:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INY3V-0000nT-9R; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:02:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INY3U-0000nL-9E for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INY3S-0002ej-Cy for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LI2CP8007011 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:02:12 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:02:13 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: ipfix@ietf.org Subject: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 Message-Id: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:02:12 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Gerhard and all, I have reviewed, shortly. It is interesting. I think that it is valuable to complement for IPFIX-MIB. I have listed up my comments, as follows. - 1. Specific issue IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does not has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. Case#1) ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) Case#2) ObservationPoint#1 ----+ +-> MeteringProcess#1 ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration. But, the outputs of metering process are different. Especially it depends on the sampling methods. 12345 eth0 :: 54321 eth1 - 5.1 ObservationPoint Class I hope that it includes the direction of observed traffic. The type of direction corresponds to "in", "out", "both". - 5.3.2 Filter Class I hope that FilterMatch can operate OR and AND. According to "draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10", it indicates that OR operations are not supported with this basic model. But, general ACL list of routers has both operation. IMHO, the XML data models can easily present OR and AND operations. - 5.4 CacheParameters Class If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum timer until it exports them. Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow records are filled in the IPFIX packet. - 5.4.1 Template Class I understood that it indicates template id can be assigned by user. I agree it. But, it seems to become difficult to keep the unique template id. In case of assignment by user, it seems to need to add a note of caution. --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From grigoli.knowles@beerq.com Tue Aug 21 14:08:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INY9I-0005Fs-IA for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:08:16 -0400 Received: from host240-85-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it ([87.3.85.240]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INY9F-0007P2-4k for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:08:16 -0400 Received: from ray by host240-85-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it with local (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) id 7KMMOs-000N0P-JV for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:08:15 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:08:13 +0200 To: ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org From: "knowles" Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_4112303==_" X-Antivirus: avast! 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Guard your private life! http://revolbest.com/ From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 22 04:27:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INlYK-0007Yr-3M; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:27:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INlYI-0007Yj-Q5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:26:58 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INlYH-0005Cf-3q for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:26:58 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7M8Qsuc025689; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:26:55 +0200 Message-ID: <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:26:23 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.63; VDF: 6.39.1.31; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l7M8Qsuc025689 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a4e5f67c5e230eddf754446d1a2201a4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Kobayashi, Thank you very much for your feedback. I'll reply to your comments inline. kobayashi atsushi wrote: > Hi Gerhard and all, >=20 > I have reviewed, shortly. It is interesting. I think that it is valuabl= e > to complement for IPFIX-MIB. I have listed up my comments, as follows. >=20 > - 1. Specific issue > IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. > Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does no= t > has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. >=20 > Case#1) > ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1=20 > (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_filte= r) > ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 > (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_filte= r) > Case#2) > ObservationPoint#1 ----+=20 > +-> MeteringProcess#1 > ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_filte= r) >=20 > I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration.=20 We need to consider the cache as well: Case#1) ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_filte= r * Cache#1 ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_filte= r * Cache#2 Case#2) ObservationPoint#1 ----+ +-> MeteringProcess#1 ObservationPoint#2 ----+ * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_filte= r * Cache#1 As you see, there is a one-to-one correspondance: MeteringProcess#1 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#1) MeteringProcess#2 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#2) Two Metering Processes are implicitly identical, if they deploy the same Selection Processes (in the same order/sequence) and if they make use of the same cache. In the configuration data model, we could give ids to the Metering Processes and regard them as entities/instances. However, this is an unnecessary double indexing of the same thing. > But, the outputs of metering process are different. Especially it depends on > the sampling methods. >=20 > > 12345 > > eth0 > > > > > >=20 > :: >=20 > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > This is how the two cases would look like: Case 1: 12345 eth0 54321 eth1 ... ... ... ... Note: Cache 1 and 2 can also be linked to different Exporting Processes. Case 2: 12345 eth0 54321 eth1 ... ... ... I hope this clarifies how it works. > - 5.1 ObservationPoint Class > I hope that it includes the direction of observed traffic. The type of=20 > direction corresponds to "in", "out", "both". Such as parameter can be easily added to the specification. I assume we need this for the Interface and the Linecard as well. Are you aware of any MIB variable name that we could adopt as XML element name? > - 5.3.2 Filter Class > I hope that FilterMatch can operate OR and AND. According to > "draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10", it indicates that OR operations are = not > supported with this basic model. But, general ACL list of routers has > both operation. IMHO, the XML data models can easily present OR and AND > operations.=20 The current filter and sampler classes correspond to what is specified in the PSAMP-MIB which, for the moment, does not allow the description of ORed filters. Also this is not a very convenient solution, an OR can be achieved by specifying two parallel SelectionSequences heading to the same cache. This would look like this: 54321 eth1 I'm open to add more sophisticated filter options to the data model. However, a consensus among IPFIXlers is necessary in order to make sure that such filter configurations will be supported by implementations/devices. > - 5.4 CacheParameters Class > If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only > one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume o= f > IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multipl= e > flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum > timer until it exports them. > Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow > records are filled in the IPFIX packet. Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting Process parameters: 1500 500 The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring t= o. We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with device-specific parameters in order to configure them. Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. > - 5.4.1 Template Class > I understood that it indicates template id can be assigned by user. I > agree it. But, it seems to become difficult to keep the unique template > id. In case of assignment by user, it seems to need to add a note of > caution.=20 You are right, we will add such a note in the next version. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 22 04:27:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INlYK-0007Yr-3M; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:27:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INlYI-0007Yj-Q5 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:26:58 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INlYH-0005Cf-3q for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:26:58 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7M8Qsuc025689; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:26:55 +0200 Message-ID: <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:26:23 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.63; VDF: 6.39.1.31; host: mx06) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de id l7M8Qsuc025689 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a4e5f67c5e230eddf754446d1a2201a4 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Kobayashi, Thank you very much for your feedback. I'll reply to your comments inline. kobayashi atsushi wrote: > Hi Gerhard and all, >=20 > I have reviewed, shortly. It is interesting. I think that it is valuabl= e > to complement for IPFIX-MIB. I have listed up my comments, as follows. >=20 > - 1. Specific issue > IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. > Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does no= t > has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. >=20 > Case#1) > ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1=20 > (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_filte= r) > ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 > (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_filte= r) > Case#2) > ObservationPoint#1 ----+=20 > +-> MeteringProcess#1 > ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_filte= r) >=20 > I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration.=20 We need to consider the cache as well: Case#1) ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_filte= r * Cache#1 ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_filte= r * Cache#2 Case#2) ObservationPoint#1 ----+ +-> MeteringProcess#1 ObservationPoint#2 ----+ * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_filte= r * Cache#1 As you see, there is a one-to-one correspondance: MeteringProcess#1 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#1) MeteringProcess#2 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#2) Two Metering Processes are implicitly identical, if they deploy the same Selection Processes (in the same order/sequence) and if they make use of the same cache. In the configuration data model, we could give ids to the Metering Processes and regard them as entities/instances. However, this is an unnecessary double indexing of the same thing. > But, the outputs of metering process are different. Especially it depends on > the sampling methods. >=20 > > 12345 > > eth0 > > > > > >=20 > :: >=20 > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > This is how the two cases would look like: Case 1: 12345 eth0 54321 eth1 ... ... ... ... Note: Cache 1 and 2 can also be linked to different Exporting Processes. Case 2: 12345 eth0 54321 eth1 ... ... ... I hope this clarifies how it works. > - 5.1 ObservationPoint Class > I hope that it includes the direction of observed traffic. The type of=20 > direction corresponds to "in", "out", "both". Such as parameter can be easily added to the specification. I assume we need this for the Interface and the Linecard as well. Are you aware of any MIB variable name that we could adopt as XML element name? > - 5.3.2 Filter Class > I hope that FilterMatch can operate OR and AND. According to > "draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10", it indicates that OR operations are = not > supported with this basic model. But, general ACL list of routers has > both operation. IMHO, the XML data models can easily present OR and AND > operations.=20 The current filter and sampler classes correspond to what is specified in the PSAMP-MIB which, for the moment, does not allow the description of ORed filters. Also this is not a very convenient solution, an OR can be achieved by specifying two parallel SelectionSequences heading to the same cache. This would look like this: 54321 eth1 I'm open to add more sophisticated filter options to the data model. However, a consensus among IPFIXlers is necessary in order to make sure that such filter configurations will be supported by implementations/devices. > - 5.4 CacheParameters Class > If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only > one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume o= f > IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multipl= e > flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum > timer until it exports them. > Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow > records are filled in the IPFIX packet. Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting Process parameters: 1500 500 The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring t= o. We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with device-specific parameters in order to configure them. Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. > - 5.4.1 Template Class > I understood that it indicates template id can be assigned by user. I > agree it. But, it seems to become difficult to keep the unique template > id. In case of assignment by user, it seems to need to add a note of > caution.=20 You are right, we will add such a note in the next version. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7E4CF.BF707550-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 22 18:38:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INyqi-0005xN-QE; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INyqi-0005xD-EN for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from larry.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.34] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INyqd-0005Xj-Tp for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E838F18618 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:44 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pQ+W3ripW82g for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:44 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9AA184A2 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:44 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:42 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Protocol-25 draft X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-25.txt was published on 18 August. Our WG Last Call for it starts now (Thursday 23 Aug), and will end on Friday 31 August). The document editors will make one more revision in response to comments from the WG, then we'll submit that version back to IESG for its IETF Last Call. Cheers, Nevil --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 22 18:38:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INyqi-0005xN-QE; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INyqi-0005xD-EN for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from larry.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.34] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INyqd-0005Xj-Tp for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:38:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E838F18618 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:44 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pQ+W3ripW82g for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:44 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9AA184A2 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:44 +1200 (NZST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ipfix@ietf.org From: Nevil Brownlee Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:38:42 +1200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Protocol-25 draft X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-25.txt was published on 18 August. Our WG Last Call for it starts now (Thursday 23 Aug), and will end on Friday 31 August). The document editors will make one more revision in response to comments from the WG, then we'll submit that version back to IESG for its IETF Last Call. 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So, please, do not re-open old issues and relate to the content already existing in the previous versions only if you believe that you have detected an absolutely horrible flaw.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nevil Brownlee [mailto:n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz]=20 > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:39 AM > To: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Protocol-25 draft >=20 >=20 > Hi all: >=20 > draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-25.txt was published on 18 August. > Our WG Last Call for it starts now (Thursday 23 Aug), and=20 > will end on Friday 31 August). >=20 > The document editors will make one more revision in response=20 > to comments from the WG, then we'll submit that version back=20 > to IESG for its IETF Last Call. >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 23 06:50:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOAGZ-00041F-OV; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:50:19 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOAGY-000416-LV for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:50:18 -0400 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.71.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOAGY-00033a-7w for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:50:18 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.16]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Aug 2007 06:50:15 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,300,1183348800"; d="scan'208"; a="50173046:sNHT8024136" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Protocol-25 draft Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:49:34 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Protocol-25 draft Thread-Index: AcflDUsmPpFvpOS5Sx+1twgnMOETkgAZYFSg References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Nevil Brownlee" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org I believe that it's important to mention that as discussed in Chicago and on the list the review and comments should focus on the changes since the last version of the document. So, please, do not re-open old issues and relate to the content already existing in the previous versions only if you believe that you have detected an absolutely horrible flaw.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nevil Brownlee [mailto:n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz]=20 > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:39 AM > To: ipfix@ietf.org > Subject: [IPFIX] WG Last Call for Protocol-25 draft >=20 >=20 > Hi all: >=20 > draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-25.txt was published on 18 August. > Our WG Last Call for it starts now (Thursday 23 Aug), and=20 > will end on Friday 31 August). >=20 > The document editors will make one more revision in response=20 > to comments from the WG, then we'll submit that version back=20 > to IESG for its IETF Last Call. >=20 > Cheers, Nevil >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 23 13:54:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOGsh-0003s9-Ek; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:54:07 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOGsg-0003r3-1Z for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:54:06 -0400 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOGse-00063I-Dg for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:54:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NHs0sb042981; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:54:02 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:54:03 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 In-Reply-To: <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Message-Id: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:54:03 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 918f4bd8440e8de4700bcf6d658bc801 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Gerhard, Thank you for your reply. Please see in-line. On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:26:23 +0200 Gerhard Muenz wrote: > > Dear Kobayashi, > > Thank you very much for your feedback. I'll reply to your comments inline. > > kobayashi atsushi wrote: > > Hi Gerhard and all, > > > > I have reviewed, shortly. It is interesting. I think that it is valuable > > to complement for IPFIX-MIB. I have listed up my comments, as follows. > > > > - 1. Specific issue > > IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. > > Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does not > > has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. > > > > Case#1) > > ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 > > (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) > > ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 > > (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) > > Case#2) > > ObservationPoint#1 ----+ > > +-> MeteringProcess#1 > > ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) > > > > I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration. > > We need to consider the cache as well: > > Case#1) > ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 > * SelectionProcess#1 = my_sampler & my_filter > * Cache#1 > ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 > * SelectionProcess#1 = my_sampler & my_filter > * Cache#2 > > Case#2) > ObservationPoint#1 ----+ > +-> MeteringProcess#1 > ObservationPoint#2 ----+ * SelectionProcess#1 = my_sampler & my_filter > * Cache#1 > > As you see, there is a one-to-one correspondance: > MeteringProcess#1 <=> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#1) > MeteringProcess#2 <=> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#2) > > Two Metering Processes are implicitly identical, if they deploy the same > Selection Processes (in the same order/sequence) and if they make use of > the same cache. > > In the configuration data model, we could give ids to the Metering > Processes and regard them as entities/instances. However, this is an > unnecessary double indexing of the same thing. > In Section 5.4, your configuration draft say as follows. The CacheParameters class contains the configuration parameters of a record cache. Each instance of the CacheParameters class is identified by a unique identifier, which allows deploying it in different Metering Processes, i.e. multiple instances of the MeteringProcess class can refer to it. The configuration parameters If the above case is identified by instance of cache class, it seems to be strange that cache class is allowed to be located in multiple Metering Processes. Because, just like case#2, the cache#1 is only one entity. Anyway, above point might be misunderstood by some readers, like me. I think that it is better to add it as configuration samples. > > But, the outputs of metering process are different. Especially it > depends on > > the sampling methods. > > > > > > 12345 > > > > eth0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :: > > > > > > 54321 > > > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how the two cases would look like: > > Case 1: > > > 12345 > > eth0 > > > > > > > > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > > ... > > > > > ... > > > Note: Cache 1 and 2 can also be linked to different Exporting Processes. > > > Case 2: > > > 12345 > > eth0 > > > > > > > > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > > ... > > > > I hope this clarifies how it works. > > > - 5.1 ObservationPoint Class > > I hope that it includes the direction of observed traffic. The type of > > direction corresponds to "in", "out", "both". > > Such as parameter can be easily added to the specification. I assume we > need this for the Interface and the Linecard as well. Are you aware of > any MIB variable name that we could adopt as XML element name? > > > - 5.3.2 Filter Class > > I hope that FilterMatch can operate OR and AND. According to > > "draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10", it indicates that OR operations are not > > supported with this basic model. But, general ACL list of routers has > > both operation. IMHO, the XML data models can easily present OR and AND > > operations. > > The current filter and sampler classes correspond to what is specified > in the PSAMP-MIB which, for the moment, does not allow the description > of ORed filters. > Also this is not a very convenient solution, an OR can be achieved by > specifying two parallel SelectionSequences heading to the same cache. > This would look like this: > > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm open to add more sophisticated filter options to the data model. > However, a consensus among IPFIXlers is necessary in order to make sure > that such filter configurations will be supported by > implementations/devices. It seems that each packet is passed through different filters after duplication. These filters of "Cisco NetFlow input filter" and "Juniper Firewall filter" are general ACL list which be used to control packets. Applying configuration model of ACL could be considered as one solution. Surely, a consensus among IPFIXlers is necessary. > > > - 5.4 CacheParameters Class > > If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only > > one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of > > IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple > > flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum > > timer until it exports them. > > Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow > > records are filled in the IPFIX packet. > > Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting > Process parameters: > > > 1500 > 500 > > > The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful > to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the > MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. > > The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows > the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is > not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to. > We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to > configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these > parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with > device-specific parameters in order to configure them. > > Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we > can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. > I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. > > - 5.4.1 Template Class > > I understood that it indicates template id can be assigned by user. I > > agree it. But, it seems to become difficult to keep the unique template > > id. In case of assignment by user, it seems to need to add a note of > > caution. > > You are right, we will add such a note in the next version. > > Regards, > Gerhard > > -- > Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M$B".(Bz > Computer Networks and Internet > Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science > University of Tuebingen > Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany > Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 > E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de > WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz > --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 23 13:54:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOGsh-0003s9-Ek; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:54:07 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOGsg-0003r3-1Z for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:54:06 -0400 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOGse-00063I-Dg for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:54:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NHs0sb042981; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:54:02 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:54:03 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 In-Reply-To: <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Message-Id: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:54:03 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 918f4bd8440e8de4700bcf6d658bc801 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Gerhard, Thank you for your reply. Please see in-line. On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:26:23 +0200 Gerhard Muenz wrote: > > Dear Kobayashi, > > Thank you very much for your feedback. I'll reply to your comments inline. > > kobayashi atsushi wrote: > > Hi Gerhard and all, > > > > I have reviewed, shortly. It is interesting. I think that it is valuable > > to complement for IPFIX-MIB. I have listed up my comments, as follows. > > > > - 1. Specific issue > > IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. > > Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does not > > has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. > > > > Case#1) > > ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 > > (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) > > ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 > > (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) > > Case#2) > > ObservationPoint#1 ----+ > > +-> MeteringProcess#1 > > ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =my_sampler and my_filter) > > > > I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration. > > We need to consider the cache as well: > > Case#1) > ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 > * SelectionProcess#1 = my_sampler & my_filter > * Cache#1 > ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 > * SelectionProcess#1 = my_sampler & my_filter > * Cache#2 > > Case#2) > ObservationPoint#1 ----+ > +-> MeteringProcess#1 > ObservationPoint#2 ----+ * SelectionProcess#1 = my_sampler & my_filter > * Cache#1 > > As you see, there is a one-to-one correspondance: > MeteringProcess#1 <=> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#1) > MeteringProcess#2 <=> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#2) > > Two Metering Processes are implicitly identical, if they deploy the same > Selection Processes (in the same order/sequence) and if they make use of > the same cache. > > In the configuration data model, we could give ids to the Metering > Processes and regard them as entities/instances. However, this is an > unnecessary double indexing of the same thing. > In Section 5.4, your configuration draft say as follows. The CacheParameters class contains the configuration parameters of a record cache. Each instance of the CacheParameters class is identified by a unique identifier, which allows deploying it in different Metering Processes, i.e. multiple instances of the MeteringProcess class can refer to it. The configuration parameters If the above case is identified by instance of cache class, it seems to be strange that cache class is allowed to be located in multiple Metering Processes. Because, just like case#2, the cache#1 is only one entity. Anyway, above point might be misunderstood by some readers, like me. I think that it is better to add it as configuration samples. > > But, the outputs of metering process are different. Especially it > depends on > > the sampling methods. > > > > > > 12345 > > > > eth0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :: > > > > > > 54321 > > > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how the two cases would look like: > > Case 1: > > > 12345 > > eth0 > > > > > > > > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > > ... > > > > > ... > > > Note: Cache 1 and 2 can also be linked to different Exporting Processes. > > > Case 2: > > > 12345 > > eth0 > > > > > > > > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > > ... > > > > I hope this clarifies how it works. > > > - 5.1 ObservationPoint Class > > I hope that it includes the direction of observed traffic. The type of > > direction corresponds to "in", "out", "both". > > Such as parameter can be easily added to the specification. I assume we > need this for the Interface and the Linecard as well. Are you aware of > any MIB variable name that we could adopt as XML element name? > > > - 5.3.2 Filter Class > > I hope that FilterMatch can operate OR and AND. According to > > "draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10", it indicates that OR operations are not > > supported with this basic model. But, general ACL list of routers has > > both operation. IMHO, the XML data models can easily present OR and AND > > operations. > > The current filter and sampler classes correspond to what is specified > in the PSAMP-MIB which, for the moment, does not allow the description > of ORed filters. > Also this is not a very convenient solution, an OR can be achieved by > specifying two parallel SelectionSequences heading to the same cache. > This would look like this: > > > 54321 > > eth1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm open to add more sophisticated filter options to the data model. > However, a consensus among IPFIXlers is necessary in order to make sure > that such filter configurations will be supported by > implementations/devices. It seems that each packet is passed through different filters after duplication. These filters of "Cisco NetFlow input filter" and "Juniper Firewall filter" are general ACL list which be used to control packets. Applying configuration model of ACL could be considered as one solution. Surely, a consensus among IPFIXlers is necessary. > > > - 5.4 CacheParameters Class > > If we select the "immediate" type, the IPFIX datagram might have only > > one flow records. Generally, the load of router depends on the volume of > > IPFIX packets. Preferably, it is better that IPFIX datagram has multiple > > flow records. To mitigate it, I hope that this class has the maximum > > timer until it exports them. > > Even if we select "immediate", it can wait until time out, or the flow > > records are filled in the IPFIX packet. > > Good point. In former versions (-00,-01), I had introduced two Exporting > Process parameters: > > > 1500 > 500 > > > The first specifies the maximum IPFIX message size, which can be useful > to avoid fragmentation in the case of UDP. Yet, as devices can query the > MTU autonomously, we omitted this parameter in -02. > > The second parameter was to specify a maximum export delay which allows > the Exporting Process to wait for more records if the IPFIX message is > not yet filled. I think this corresponds to the timer you are referring to. > We omitted this parameter because Flexible Netflow does not allow to > configure it. In our implementation (Vermont), we do have both of these > parameters, and we would extend the configuration data model with > device-specific parameters in order to configure them. > > Yet, if more people think that we need something like maxExportDelay, we > can add such a parameter in the standard configuration data model. > I agree 2 parameters, maxPacketSize and maxExportDelay. > > - 5.4.1 Template Class > > I understood that it indicates template id can be assigned by user. I > > agree it. But, it seems to become difficult to keep the unique template > > id. In case of assignment by user, it seems to need to add a note of > > caution. > > You are right, we will add such a note in the next version. > > Regards, > Gerhard > > -- > Dipl.-Ing. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E634.60BFAA10-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 24 05:02:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOV3f-0004xa-O3; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:02:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOV3e-0004xT-Qq for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:02:22 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOV3d-0004km-T4 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:02:22 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7O92J0q026115; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: <46CE9E7B.7080609@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:01:47 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.63; VDF: 6.39.1.40; host: mx06) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1902088472==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1902088472== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000207040308020203070705" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000207040308020203070705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kobayashi, Please see inline. kobayashi atsushi wrote: > Gerhard Muenz wrote: >> kobayashi atsushi wrote: >>> - 1. Specific issue >>> IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. >>> Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does = not >>> has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. >>> >>> Case#1) >>> ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1=20 >>> (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_fil= ter) >>> ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 >>> (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_fil= ter) >>> Case#2) >>> ObservationPoint#1 ----+=20 >>> +-> MeteringProcess#1 >>> ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_fil= ter) >>> >>> I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration.=20 >> We need to consider the cache as well: >> >> Case#1) >> ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 >> * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_fi= lter >> * Cache#1 >> ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 >> * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_fi= lter >> * Cache#2 >> >> Case#2) >> ObservationPoint#1 ----+ >> +-> MeteringProcess#1 >> ObservationPoint#2 ----+ * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_fi= lter >> * Cache#1 >> >> As you see, there is a one-to-one correspondance: >> MeteringProcess#1 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#1) >> MeteringProcess#2 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#2) >> >> Two Metering Processes are implicitly identical, if they deploy the sa= me >> Selection Processes (in the same order/sequence) and if they make use = of >> the same cache. >> >> In the configuration data model, we could give ids to the Metering >> Processes and regard them as entities/instances. However, this is an >> unnecessary double indexing of the same thing. >> >=20 > In Section 5.4, your configuration draft say as follows. >=20 > The CacheParameters class contains the configuration parameters of a= > record cache. Each instance of the CacheParameters class is > identified by a unique identifier, which allows deploying it in > different Metering Processes, i.e. multiple instances of the > MeteringProcess class can refer to it. The configuration parameters= >=20 > If the above case is identified by instance of cache class, it seems to= > be strange that cache class is allowed to be located in multiple Meteri= ng > Processes. Because, just like case#2, the cache#1 is only one entity. Yes, the same cache can be used in different (SelectionProcess, Cache) combinations. This corresponds to the common practice, e.g. in NetFlow, you can deploy the same cache with different samplers. > Anyway, above point might be misunderstood by some readers, like me. I > think that it is better to add it as configuration samples. Yes, the Metering Process in the data model seems to be the reason for some misunderstandings. However, I do not see a better solution right now. Maybe some more explanations and examples help to make things more comprehensive. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:02:22 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOV3d-0004km-T4 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:02:22 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7O92J0q026115; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: <46CE9E7B.7080609@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:01:47 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Subject: Re: [IPFIX] ipfix-configuration-02 References: <20070822005259.F189.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <46CBF32F.2010606@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20070824020413.B07F.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.4.1.63; VDF: 6.39.1.40; host: mx06) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1902088472==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1902088472== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000207040308020203070705" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000207040308020203070705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kobayashi, Please see inline. kobayashi atsushi wrote: > Gerhard Muenz wrote: >> kobayashi atsushi wrote: >>> - 1. Specific issue >>> IMHO, Metering Process Id is necessary. >>> Already this topics has been discussed in another thread. If it does = not >>> has the id, we cannot identify the following cases. >>> >>> Case#1) >>> ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1=20 >>> (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_fil= ter) >>> ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 >>> (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_fil= ter) >>> Case#2) >>> ObservationPoint#1 ----+=20 >>> +-> MeteringProcess#1 >>> ObservationPoint#2 ----+ (SelectionProcess =3Dmy_sampler and my_fil= ter) >>> >>> I think that both cases are presented by same XML configuration.=20 >> We need to consider the cache as well: >> >> Case#1) >> ObservationPoint#1 ------> MeteringProcess#1 >> * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_fi= lter >> * Cache#1 >> ObservationPoint#2 ------> MeteringProcess#2 >> * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_fi= lter >> * Cache#2 >> >> Case#2) >> ObservationPoint#1 ----+ >> +-> MeteringProcess#1 >> ObservationPoint#2 ----+ * SelectionProcess#1 =3D my_sampler & my_fi= lter >> * Cache#1 >> >> As you see, there is a one-to-one correspondance: >> MeteringProcess#1 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#1) >> MeteringProcess#2 <=3D> (SelectionProcess#1, Cache#2) >> >> Two Metering Processes are implicitly identical, if they deploy the sa= me >> Selection Processes (in the same order/sequence) and if they make use = of >> the same cache. >> >> In the configuration data model, we could give ids to the Metering >> Processes and regard them as entities/instances. However, this is an >> unnecessary double indexing of the same thing. >> >=20 > In Section 5.4, your configuration draft say as follows. >=20 > The CacheParameters class contains the configuration parameters of a= > record cache. Each instance of the CacheParameters class is > identified by a unique identifier, which allows deploying it in > different Metering Processes, i.e. multiple instances of the > MeteringProcess class can refer to it. The configuration parameters= >=20 > If the above case is identified by instance of cache class, it seems to= > be strange that cache class is allowed to be located in multiple Meteri= ng > Processes. Because, just like case#2, the cache#1 is only one entity. Yes, the same cache can be used in different (SelectionProcess, Cache) combinations. This corresponds to the common practice, e.g. in NetFlow, you can deploy the same cache with different samplers. > Anyway, above point might be misunderstood by some readers, like me. I > think that it is better to add it as configuration samples. Yes, the Metering Process in the data model seems to be the reason for some misunderstandings. However, I do not see a better solution right now. Maybe some more explanations and examples help to make things more comprehensive. Regards, Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz Computer Networks and Internet Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science University of Tuebingen Sand 13 (Room B309), D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 E-mail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz --------------ms000207040308020203070705 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJdTCC AxUwggJ+oAMCAQICEGU5u1eI8WeEkIox6PdwkFAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MDIxMzEwMzMxOVoX DTA4MDIxMzEwMzMxOVowbDEOMAwGA1UEBBMFTXVlbnoxEDAOBgNVBCoTB0dlcmhhcmQxFjAU BgNVBAMTDUdlcmhhcmQgTXVlbnoxMDAuBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWIW11ZW56QGluZm9ybWF0aWsu 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I have a couple of points on the specifics of the Exporting Type information elements, inline below... Cheers, Brian On Aug 29, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: > 3.4. informationElementRangeBegin > 3.5. informationElementRangeEnd > > - Rather than unsigned64, the type of these IEs should be identical > to the type of IE they're representing. ie, if I have a timestamp, > these may be of type dateTimeSeconds, while I have a float, they > may be of type float32. > hmmm... In the general case, this means we'd need two IEs for each defined type, which seems excessive. However, I do believe you're right, we need a way to express negative range ends. We may also need a way to express range ends on floating point numbers not expressible in an integer type (float32 or float64 with a magnitude > 2^63-1). I'm less convinced of the need to express absolute timestamps as ranges (what would this mean? a timestamp that's only good until a week from next Wednesday?) but this is mainly because I can't think of an example. Also, if we're worried about floating point range ends, would we also need nanosecond timestamp ends? What about address ranges? String ranges? Do we need a locale to define sort order of strings if we have string ranges? This gets messy quickly. Doing the least restrictive possible thing here is probably prohibitively complex, with limited real applicability. I see a few possibilities here... 1. Redefine the range begin and range end as signed64. This makes it possible to express negative range beginnings or ends, but does not allow range ends outside -2^63 - 2^63-1, or non-integer range ends. It retains the ability to define range ends using reduced length encoding. I think I prefer this solution. 2. Redefine the range begin and range end as float64. 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I'm less convinced of the need to express absolute timestamps as ranges (what would this mean? a timestamp that's only good until a week from next Wednesday?) but this is mainly because I can't think of an example. Also, if we're worried about floating point range ends, would we also need nanosecond timestamp ends? What about address ranges? String ranges? Do we need a locale to define sort order of strings if we have string ranges? This gets messy quickly. Doing the least restrictive possible thing here is probably prohibitively complex, with limited real applicability. I see a few possibilities here... 1. Redefine the range begin and range end as signed64. This makes it possible to express negative range beginnings or ends, but does not allow range ends outside -2^63 - 2^63-1, or non-integer range ends. It retains the ability to define range ends using reduced length encoding. I think I prefer this solution. 2. Redefine the range begin and range end as float64. 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quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mtagate8.de.ibm.com id l7VAFxdQ381014 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, Benoit, I looked at your draft and think that the data model is useful and makes=20 sense. It seems to me not only suited to configure exporters which are=20 similar to Flexible NetFlow (my initial fear ;-) but also for flow=20 meters in general. The example clarified that it is indeed possible to use multiple=20 Observation Points per CacheParameters instance (ie, multiple interfaces=20 feeding a single flow table) -- a standard scenario. I suggest to=20 clarify this point already in Section 4 by adding these sentences to the=20 SelectionProcess and CacheParameter items in the item list: * "A Selection Process can be referred from multiple Metering Processes." * "A specification of Cache Parameters can be referred from multiple=20 Metering Processes." Here some other comments: * As it does not make sense to have an Observation Point without a=20 Metering Process, I would label the aggregation in Figure 1 and 3 with=20 '1..*'. The same might apply to Collection Process. Of course, this=20 would also mean: and * Software-based flow meters quite often use file system based=20 Observation Points and Exporters. For instance, people want to read from=20 a capture file and export as IPFIX records. An other scenario is to=20 listen on an interface (or multiple) and write to a file (eg, =E0 la=20 draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type). In the former case, something more=20 general than Interface / Line Card is necessary which allows for=20 specifying not only the file name but also the content format, such as=20 tcpdump/pcap. Maybe URI syntax? In the latter case, the Destination=20 class may actually be generic enough for file-based export. * It would be useful to have description fields with instances which can=20 be referred to. So, I'd suggest to have 'descr=3D"..."' fields with=20 ObservationPeriod, SelectionProcess, CacheParameters, etc. * You use the unit 'Sec' but it is not an SI unit. Maybe you want to use=20 's'. * Finally something which might be out of scope: Is it possible to do=20 incremental (re-)configuration to reduce the XML overhead in the traffic=20 to the device to be configured? Best regards -- Andreas Gerhard Muenz wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > A new version of the IPFIX Configuration draft has been published: >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02.= txt >=20 > Comments and feedback are welcome. >=20 > Best regards, > Gerhard >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 31 06:16:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IR3Xn-0007Ig-Ce; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:16:03 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IR3Xl-0007D7-Fj for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:16:01 -0400 Received: from mtagate8.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.157]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IR3Xk-00074a-MH for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:16:01 -0400 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate8.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7VAFxdQ381014 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:15:59 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.5) with ESMTP id l7VAFxiB2252800 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0200 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l7VAFxKb024449 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:15:59 +0200 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7VAFwHb024438; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:15:58 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp69-25.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.69.25]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA469914; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:15:58 +0200 Message-ID: <46D7EA5C.9030709@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:15:56 +0200 From: Andreas Kind User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz , Benoit Claise Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-02 References: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <51312.165.228.96.243.1183411782.squirrel@mail.cs.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mtagate8.de.ibm.com id l7VAFxdQ381014 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Gerhard, Benoit, I looked at your draft and think that the data model is useful and makes=20 sense. It seems to me not only suited to configure exporters which are=20 similar to Flexible NetFlow (my initial fear ;-) but also for flow=20 meters in general. The example clarified that it is indeed possible to use multiple=20 Observation Points per CacheParameters instance (ie, multiple interfaces=20 feeding a single flow table) -- a standard scenario. I suggest to=20 clarify this point already in Section 4 by adding these sentences to the=20 SelectionProcess and CacheParameter items in the item list: * "A Selection Process can be referred from multiple Metering Processes." * "A specification of Cache Parameters can be referred from multiple=20 Metering Processes." Here some other comments: * As it does not make sense to have an Observation Point without a=20 Metering Process, I would label the aggregation in Figure 1 and 3 with=20 '1..*'. The same might apply to Collection Process. Of course, this=20 would also mean: and * Software-based flow meters quite often use file system based=20 Observation Points and Exporters. For instance, people want to read from=20 a capture file and export as IPFIX records. An other scenario is to=20 listen on an interface (or multiple) and write to a file (eg, =E0 la=20 draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type). In the former case, something more=20 general than Interface / Line Card is necessary which allows for=20 specifying not only the file name but also the content format, such as=20 tcpdump/pcap. Maybe URI syntax? In the latter case, the Destination=20 class may actually be generic enough for file-based export. * It would be useful to have description fields with instances which can=20 be referred to. So, I'd suggest to have 'descr=3D"..."' fields with=20 ObservationPeriod, SelectionProcess, CacheParameters, etc. * You use the unit 'Sec' but it is not an SI unit. Maybe you want to use=20 's'. * Finally something which might be out of scope: Is it possible to do=20 incremental (re-)configuration to reduce the XML overhead in the traffic=20 to the device to be configured? 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