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Message-Id: <20080110230320.55EC.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:36 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 43317e64100dd4d87214c51822b582d1 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Brian, I checked your draft in less time. I confirmed that ipfix file is useful for compatibility and testing. This format makes easily me try to implement file writer and reader. To clarify your draft and improve my understanding, I write down several comments, as follows. Q1=20 I think that main part of this document is section 3,7.=20 This draft has many tips. But, from viewpoint of easy understanding of the ipfix file format, I prefer that the draft is divided by main part and other parts. Q2 Should a ipfix file include whole message on one session, even if one session has different Observation Domain ID messages? =46rom viewpoint of easy decoding and reducing of file size,=20 I want to make ipfix file based on same Observation Domain ID. It depends on case or policy.=20 Q3 I could not understand following description in section 7.=20 Please give more specific example. o File Writers SHOULD emit Data Records described by Options Templates to appear in the file before any Data Records which depend on the scopes defined by those options. Generally, Options that present sampling, sampling algorithm and filtering method in psamp. These templates and associated data records should be included in a ipfix file. Does above description mean these points? Q4 Some of your proposed option templates are useful for several cases other than file format. For example, there are Anonymization Options Template and Message Details Options Template. Mediator draft describes similar template in section 5 . I think that this part could become independent document after we explore sophisticated way that can be used for both functions. Thanks, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:07:19 -0500 Brian Trammell wrote: > All, >=20 > draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00 is now available. Many thanks to those of =20 > you who have reviewed and commented on the draft. Changes from =20 > individual revision -05 are as follows: >=20 > 1. Reorganized the structure of the document somewhat for readability. >=20 > 2. Minor changes to template management language for clarity. >=20 > 3. Minor changes to options template definitions to clarify which IEs =20 > are scope IEs. >=20 > 4. Terminology capitalization review. >=20 > We plan on at least one more revision of this document before WG last =20 > call to address remaining open issues raised by reviews to date: >=20 > 1. Define a mechanism for containing IPFIX data and non-IPFIX data =20 > (e.g. proprietary metadata, headers and footers) within the same file =20 > in an interoperable way, or declare such a mechanism explicitly out =20 > of scope. It seems there is definite WG interest for such a =20 > mechanism; we'll propose a mechanism for WG discussion this month. >=20 > 2. Collection details options templates and information element =20 > definitions assume a CP is involved in the writing of a file; =20 > however, routers and other MPs can write IPFIX Files, too, so we will =20 > remove this assumption where it appears. >=20 > 3. The draft should provide guidelines for a CP collecting from =20 > multiple SCTP streams and writing those records into a file. >=20 > 4. The security considerations section should treat the security of =20 > IPFIX Files written by CPs using TLS for transport security separately. >=20 > 5. The document should contain an IPFIX Documents Overview section to =20 > place the file draft in context. >=20 > 6. The document should contain an XML schema definition appendix for =20 > the IEs it defines. >=20 > 7. It has been suggested that the file draft's handling of =20 > anonymization use a bitmap IE to be parallel with the protocol's =20 > flowKeyIndicator; however, it is unclear that a bitmap will be =20 > sufficient for anonymization notation, so more discussion is =20 > warranted here. >=20 > 8. It has also been suggested that the appendices within the file =20 > draft on comparing and translating NetFlow V9 data into IPFIX, used =20 > as an informative background for the section within the document on =20 > applying IPFIX Files to V9 collection infrastructures, might make a =20 > good draft in its own right. We'd like to assess WG interest in such =20 > a draft before splitting the file draft again. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Brian >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > Date: January 2, 2008 12:20:02 PM EST > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org > > Subject: [IPFIX] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =20 > > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working =20 > > Group of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : An IPFIX-Based File Format > > Author(s) : B. Trammell, et al. > > Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > Pages : 50 > > Date : 2008-01-02 > > > > This document describes a file format for the storage of flow data > > based upon the IPFIX Message format. It proposes a set of > > requirements for flat-file, binary flow data file formats, then > > applies the IPFIX message format to these requirements to build a new > > file format. This IPFIX-based file format is designed to facilitate > > interoperability and reusability among a wide variety of flow > > storage, processing, and analysis tools. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > > the message. > > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > > to change your subscription settings. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt". > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt". > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > Internet-Draft. > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Content-ID: <2008-01-02121517.I-D\@ietf.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IPFIX mailing list > > IPFIX@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix ---=20 Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 10 20:37:58 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JD8qC-0000Be-Vb; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:37:48 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JD8qC-0000BZ-3S for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:37:48 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JD8q8-00038c-Pd for ipfix@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:37:48 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115] (may be forged)) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0B1bIlQ023107; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:30 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:36 +0900 From: Kobayashi Atsushi To: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <20080110230320.55EC.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [192.68.245.115]); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:36 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 43317e64100dd4d87214c51822b582d1 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear Brian, I checked your draft in less time. I confirmed that ipfix file is useful for compatibility and testing. This format makes easily me try to implement file writer and reader. To clarify your draft and improve my understanding, I write down several comments, as follows. Q1=20 I think that main part of this document is section 3,7.=20 This draft has many tips. But, from viewpoint of easy understanding of the ipfix file format, I prefer that the draft is divided by main part and other parts. Q2 Should a ipfix file include whole message on one session, even if one session has different Observation Domain ID messages? =46rom viewpoint of easy decoding and reducing of file size,=20 I want to make ipfix file based on same Observation Domain ID. It depends on case or policy.=20 Q3 I could not understand following description in section 7.=20 Please give more specific example. o File Writers SHOULD emit Data Records described by Options Templates to appear in the file before any Data Records which depend on the scopes defined by those options. Generally, Options that present sampling, sampling algorithm and filtering method in psamp. These templates and associated data records should be included in a ipfix file. Does above description mean these points? Q4 Some of your proposed option templates are useful for several cases other than file format. For example, there are Anonymization Options Template and Message Details Options Template. Mediator draft describes similar template in section 5 . I think that this part could become independent document after we explore sophisticated way that can be used for both functions. Thanks, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:07:19 -0500 Brian Trammell wrote: > All, >=20 > draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00 is now available. Many thanks to those of =20 > you who have reviewed and commented on the draft. Changes from =20 > individual revision -05 are as follows: >=20 > 1. Reorganized the structure of the document somewhat for readability. >=20 > 2. Minor changes to template management language for clarity. >=20 > 3. Minor changes to options template definitions to clarify which IEs =20 > are scope IEs. >=20 > 4. Terminology capitalization review. >=20 > We plan on at least one more revision of this document before WG last =20 > call to address remaining open issues raised by reviews to date: >=20 > 1. Define a mechanism for containing IPFIX data and non-IPFIX data =20 > (e.g. proprietary metadata, headers and footers) within the same file =20 > in an interoperable way, or declare such a mechanism explicitly out =20 > of scope. It seems there is definite WG interest for such a =20 > mechanism; we'll propose a mechanism for WG discussion this month. >=20 > 2. Collection details options templates and information element =20 > definitions assume a CP is involved in the writing of a file; =20 > however, routers and other MPs can write IPFIX Files, too, so we will =20 > remove this assumption where it appears. >=20 > 3. The draft should provide guidelines for a CP collecting from =20 > multiple SCTP streams and writing those records into a file. >=20 > 4. The security considerations section should treat the security of =20 > IPFIX Files written by CPs using TLS for transport security separately. >=20 > 5. The document should contain an IPFIX Documents Overview section to =20 > place the file draft in context. >=20 > 6. The document should contain an XML schema definition appendix for =20 > the IEs it defines. >=20 > 7. It has been suggested that the file draft's handling of =20 > anonymization use a bitmap IE to be parallel with the protocol's =20 > flowKeyIndicator; however, it is unclear that a bitmap will be =20 > sufficient for anonymization notation, so more discussion is =20 > warranted here. >=20 > 8. It has also been suggested that the appendices within the file =20 > draft on comparing and translating NetFlow V9 data into IPFIX, used =20 > as an informative background for the section within the document on =20 > applying IPFIX Files to V9 collection infrastructures, might make a =20 > good draft in its own right. We'd like to assess WG interest in such =20 > a draft before splitting the file draft again. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Brian >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > Date: January 2, 2008 12:20:02 PM EST > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: ipfix@ietf.org > > Subject: [IPFIX] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =20 > > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working =20 > > Group of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : An IPFIX-Based File Format > > Author(s) : B. Trammell, et al. > > Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > Pages : 50 > > Date : 2008-01-02 > > > > This document describes a file format for the storage of flow data > > based upon the IPFIX Message format. It proposes a set of > > requirements for flat-file, binary flow data file formats, then > > applies the IPFIX message format to these requirements to build a new > > file format. This IPFIX-based file format is designed to facilitate > > interoperability and reusability among a wide variety of flow > > storage, processing, and analysis tools. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > > the message. > > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > > to change your subscription settings. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt". > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt". > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. 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------=_NextPart_000_D2BF_01C85533.2D1541C0-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 11 05:51:15 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHTk-00087m-Kk; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:51:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHTj-00087a-0P for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:51:11 -0500 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHTh-0002gs-Ai for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:51:10 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0BAp80Y011846 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: <47874A19.303@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:51:05 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ipfix@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.46; VDF: 7.0.1.224; host: mx05) X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [IPFIX] Status of IPFIX configuration X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, In Vancouver, Benoit presented draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03 as a candidate for a working group document addressing the first item on the new charter. Yet, no decision was made if this draft was ready to become a WG document. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ipfix/draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt Since then, we have received feedback from Brian concerning file writer/reader specific aspects. Members of the Netconf community have shown their interest as they are looking for use-cases. Some of them expressed their willingness to help converting the current XML Schema into YANG, a proposed modeling language for Netconf data models. >From my point of view, the draft is quite advanced, and the current list of open issues is short and concerns specific details. To further progress and improve the document, I would appreciate if more people got involved, reading the draft, thinking about if it makes sense, giving their feedback, and expressing their opinion if they want it as a WG document. Thanks, Gerhard _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 11 05:51:15 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHTk-00087m-Kk; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:51:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHTj-00087a-0P for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:51:11 -0500 Received: from mx05.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHTh-0002gs-Ai for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:51:10 -0500 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx05.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0BAp80Y011846 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: <47874A19.303@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:51:05 +0100 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ipfix@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.46; VDF: 7.0.1.224; host: mx05) X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [IPFIX] Status of IPFIX configuration X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, In Vancouver, Benoit presented draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03 as a candidate for a working group document addressing the first item on the new charter. Yet, no decision was made if this draft was ready to become a WG document. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ipfix/draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt Since then, we have received feedback from Brian concerning file writer/reader specific aspects. Members of the Netconf community have shown their interest as they are looking for use-cases. Some of them expressed their willingness to help converting the current XML Schema into YANG, a proposed modeling language for Netconf data models. >From my point of view, the draft is quite advanced, and the current list of open issues is short and concerns specific details. To further progress and improve the document, I would appreciate if more people got involved, reading the draft, thinking about if it makes sense, giving their feedback, and expressing their opinion if they want it as a WG document. Thanks, Gerhard _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 11 06:20:06 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHvh-00067B-1E; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:20:05 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHvg-000672-A0 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:20:04 -0500 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHvf-0004XI-Th for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:20:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5B828000607 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UYm0r1AycdZO for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22D2800052B for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:19:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:19:58 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:11 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: IETF IPFIX Working Group Message-ID: Thread-Topic: renaming three information elements in draft-ietf-ipfix-info Thread-Index: AchUQ+3YLGHX4cA3EdynDwAWy4a5Gw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Subject: [IPFIX] renaming three information elements in draft-ietf-ipfix-info X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, We are in the very final round of completing IPFIX-INFO. But still now, we do find things to fix. Paul suggested that we should rename three Information Elements and the other authors support his suggestion: #213: collectorInterface -> exportInterface #214: collectorProtocolVersion -> exportProtocolVersion #215: collectorTransportProtocol -> exportTransportProtocol These IEs indicate - the IP interface that an exporter uses for sending reports to a certain collector - the version number of the used IPFIX protocol - the used transport protocol We think that the current names may be misleading that the new names give a better indication of the semantics of the respective information element. Would anyone have a problem with renaming these IEs? Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 11 06:20:06 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHvh-00067B-1E; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:20:05 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHvg-000672-A0 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:20:04 -0500 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHvf-0004XI-Th for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:20:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5B828000607 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UYm0r1AycdZO for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22D2800052B for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:19:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:19:58 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:11 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: IETF IPFIX Working Group Message-ID: Thread-Topic: renaming three information elements in draft-ietf-ipfix-info Thread-Index: AchUQ+3YLGHX4cA3EdynDwAWy4a5Gw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Subject: [IPFIX] renaming three information elements in draft-ietf-ipfix-info X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, We are in the very final round of completing IPFIX-INFO. But still now, we do find things to fix. Paul suggested that we should rename three Information Elements and the other authors support his suggestion: #213: collectorInterface -> exportInterface #214: collectorProtocolVersion -> exportProtocolVersion #215: collectorTransportProtocol -> exportTransportProtocol These IEs indicate - the IP interface that an exporter uses for sending reports to a certain collector - the version number of the used IPFIX protocol - the used transport protocol We think that the current names may be misleading that the new names give a better indication of the semantics of the respective information element. Would anyone have a problem with renaming these IEs? 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From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 11 09:34:26 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKxk-00084J-1R; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:24 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKxi-000818-N8 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:22 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKxi-00009g-9h for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:22 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id m0BEYBx8006790 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:15 -0500 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id m0BEXFbk006748 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:15 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id m0BEXFQa006744; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.35.52.217] (vpn-10-25-4-28.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.28]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.69) with ESMTP id m0BEXES3016155; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <138F99AF-869A-4416-9BA6-1EC7B8C0CEF2@cert.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] renaming three information elements in draft-ietf-ipfix-info Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:12 -0500 To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: IETF IPFIX Working Group X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Juergen, After rereading the descriptions of these IEs, the new names are much more accurately descriptive; so, yes, they should be renamed. Regards, Brian On Jan 11, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, > > We are in the very final round of completing IPFIX-INFO. > > But still now, we do find things to fix. > > Paul suggested that we should rename three Information Elements > and the other authors support his suggestion: > > #213: collectorInterface -> exportInterface > #214: collectorProtocolVersion -> exportProtocolVersion > #215: collectorTransportProtocol -> exportTransportProtocol > > These IEs indicate > - the IP interface that an exporter uses for sending reports > to a certain collector > - the version number of the used IPFIX protocol > - the used transport protocol > > We think that the current names may be misleading that the new > names give a better indication of the semantics of the respective > information element. > > Would anyone have a problem with renaming these IEs? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > -- > Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 > 4342-115 > NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 > 4342-155 > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http:// > www.netlab.nec.de > Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK > Registered in England 2832014 > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 11 09:34:26 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKxk-00084J-1R; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:24 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKxi-000818-N8 for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:22 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKxi-00009g-9h for ipfix@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:22 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.24) with ESMTP id m0BEYBx8006790 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:15 -0500 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id m0BEXFbk006748 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:15 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id m0BEXFQa006744; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.35.52.217] (vpn-10-25-4-28.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.28]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.69) with ESMTP id m0BEXES3016155; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <138F99AF-869A-4416-9BA6-1EC7B8C0CEF2@cert.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [IPFIX] renaming three information elements in draft-ietf-ipfix-info Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:33:12 -0500 To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.001009 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: IETF IPFIX Working Group X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Juergen, After rereading the descriptions of these IEs, the new names are much more accurately descriptive; so, yes, they should be renamed. 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If no packet sampled during "timeout" period, we cannot get topology info. > > -- Haru Nishida, NTT > > On 2007/11/15, at 1:55, kobayashi atsushi wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have submited following draft. > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kobayashi-ipfix-multicast-measure-00.txt > > > > Now, multicast operation confronts several problems. There are not > > enough tools. It is difficult that network operatos monitor the > > multicast service condition. IPFIX/PSAMP must play a role for multicast > > operation. > > > > So, I have searched the past multicast flow discussion in IPFIX and > > already published RFC3917. > > > > RFC3917 say > > > > 5.7. Multicast Flows > > > > For multicast flows containing packets replicated to multiple output > > interfaces, the metering process should be able to maintain discrete > > flow records per different output interface. 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One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) charter. My summary of the notes is that a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and working on them. >>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, >>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt b) Configuration Data Model - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) The goals here are to produce two documents: - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create the documents the charter refers to, so - who's going to contribute text? - who's going to review these drafts? - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? - anything else? For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz --=_2aka7n4fonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="vancouver-notes.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vancouver-notes.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFIP Flow Information Export WG (ipfix) 1. Intro Simon explained that the ipfix WG has been re-chartered Previous charter documents are reviewed first. 2. Internet-Draft status In RFC Editor queue: - draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-12.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-info-15.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-as-12.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-05.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy-04.txt ] - draft-ietf-psamp-framework-12.txt [Nick Duffield] Jun 07 - draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10.txt [Tanja Zseby] Jun 07 - draft-ietf-psamp-protocol-08.txt [Benoit Claise] Jun 07 - draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt [Thomas Dietz] Oct 07 Some delay due to interdepence with psamp, e.g. applicability draft and oth= ers ipfix mib: some outstanding work items Psamp status: Last call completed, new versions required Psamp framework, psamp-sample-tech, psamp-protocol 3. Drafts from the current charter a) Implementation Guidelines (Elisa Boschi) - draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-08.txt www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~nevil/ipfix/draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-g= uidelines-08.txt Status: the draft is almost complete, went to IETF and IESG review, some comments. New version has been posted by Nevil on his page (guidelines 08?) New paragraph in SCTP section added Comment from transport directorate: they wanted a statement that expresses that UDP is not recommended A comment on using RFC2119 language (MUST, SHOULD) applied b) IPFIX Testing (Paul Aitken) - draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt Status: publication has been requested Manor changes to previous version, such as simplifications, clarifications c) IPFIX MIB (Benoit Claise) - draft-ietf-ipfix-mib-01.txt Deadline missed, draft was posted yesterday, speed up process last call No changes on structure and RO/RW Terminology section removed All open issues have been resolved Ready for last call after this week Simon: did we get enough reviews yet? A: not yet, expected during last call 4. New Charter Following extensive discussions on the IPFIX list, a draft new charter was posted on 17 Oct 07. A request to re-charter the WG was submitted to IESG on 25 Oct 07. The final adoption will be assessed by the chairs based on the discussion on the mailing list. Milestones: Jan 2008 Publish Internet draft on IPFIX Mediation Problem Statement Jan 2008 Submit File Format draft to IESG for publication as Standards tra= ck RFC Jun 2008 Submit Type Export draft to IESG for publication as Standards tra= ck RFC Jun 2008 Submit Single SCTP Stream draft to IESG for publication as Inform= ational RFC Oct 2008 Submit Configuration Data Model draft to IESG for publication as = Standards track RFC Oct 2008 Submit Mediation Problem draft to IESG for publication as Informa= tional RFC Multiple documents, discuss adoption by WG. Simon explained what happens if an individual submission gets included in t= he WG a) IPFIX File Format (Brian Trammell) - draft-trammell-ipfix-file-05.txt Summary of the draft: standard flow storage format is useful for interoperability, flat binary files are ideal for flow storage. Changes to v4 include more examples, applicability to NetFlow v9 for converting these into ipfix. Next: continue to gain implementation experiences with ipfix files, ready for submission in January. Comments: Benoit: architectural assumption, e.g. routers write directly into files, should be clarified to avoid confusions. This leads to questions such as: how often to write, compress etc. A flow separator in the file could be useful, e.g. which device exported, which format etc. Brian: should be discussed in the WG, it makes sense to add it to the draft. A few people have read the draft (~10), most it=E2=80=99s ready fo= r adoption (~8). No votes against. b) Configuration Data Model (Benoit Claise) - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt The idea was to develop the data model based on ipfix and psamp data model. Added notes and clarifications on TemplateIDs. Multiple comments provided on the XML schema Data export into a file was added Filter added, such as access list, today AND filters in psamp, OR required Config parameters for packet size and delay added, should be a vendor specific tag Changes to config data model: export process restructured Open issues: file export: add option directly write into files file import: necessary? To be discussed on the list selection process, SCTP Should netconf be mandated? Consensus to recommend but not mandate Next steps: new draft by end of year Readers: not widely reviewed. More reviewers welcome! Adoption to be discussed on the list c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt Exporting Type Information for IPFIX Information Elements The name was changed from =E2=80=9CExtended=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CExporting= =E2=80=9D, therefore the name went back to 00. Problem statement: ipfix provides no mechanism for representing IM properties within an ipfix message stream. This requires external references. History explained, started in 2005. Every dimension provided for IE from ipfix is supported. Future work: submit version 00 as a WG item after this week, final draft expected by June Paul: does this draft encourage to use Enterprise specific IE instead of standard elements and therefore never standardize? People should be encouraged to use the standard. Brian: we should avoid that people use Enterprise specific IE at a wider range, standard IEs should be used. New IE should be standardized. Paul: standardized elements should be used whenever possible Roman: is this a set of rules / data model language for exporting proprietary information, including registry changes. New products/technologies will use proprietary information to avoid delay introduced by IETF until a standard element is defined. Can a similar approach as with SNMP MIBs be used to easily standardize new IE? Clarification should be added to the document and explain transition process. Brian: technical transition process should be explained. Direct mapping was discussed in the past. If adopted, this needs clarification Benoit: is there guidance to prevent errors, e.g. wrong types for time etc. Elisa: not described yet, should be added. Multiple references to the data model. 6 people have read the draft, 4 people think it should be added to WG. No votes against. d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt Idea: export each template in a single stream. Advantage: report data lost per template, already specified in ipfix requirements. Transmission order is maintained, i.e. data records couldn't arrive before template records. Solution: add new streams with the existing SCTP association OR use stream = 0. Problem: usually the same option template is used for multiple streams, this needs to be addressed. Approach: sending the option in every stream is not possible (prevented by protocol draft). Some ideas proposed, not finalized solution yet. E.g. last used stream that used the option template sends it. Draft was completely rewritten, feedback and review required. 2 people have read the draft, Ready for adoption: 1 person Simon: this document is closely related to the new charter. Some work in this area required. e) IPFIX Mediation, 2 individual submission: Kobayashi Atsushi, Christoph Sommer - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt The goals here are to produce two documents: - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) =09IPFIX Mediation Problem Statement: Issue: in large ISP networks with thousands of routers the number of exported flow records exceeds 500 Gb/s. MPLS is used for traffic engineering and VPNs. Sampling is required, the biggest challenge in the future is scalability Approach: introducing hierarchical flow collection with concentrators How to distinguish separate network flows, e.g. VPNs and Internet share the same network infrastructure Idea: use flow classifier. Conclusions: concentrators are useful, however data might get lost and a device between Exporter and Collector needs more function other than Concentrator. Ralf: please clarify where data get lost. Answer: aggregation and correlation reduced the granularity of the original collection Dan: concern that this proposal introduces functions beyond the initial definitions, e.g. the classifier/concentrator might not be the right approach for scalability. Simon (speaking as operator): these issues even occur in smaller networks which requires an extraction process e.g. separate internal / external traffic Dan: why do we need a standard? Simon: today the export is proprietary, it would be easier to have it in standard format Dan: does this fit into ipfix? It reminds me to session border control Kobayashi: today these information are sent to multiple collectors and the collector has to apply the filtering, the classifier simplifies it. 4 people have read the draft, ready for adoption: 1 person - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt IPFIX Mediation Framework (Atsushi Kobayashi) Definition: ipfix mediation =3D ipfix protocol mediation and flow mediation Added ipfix distributor device as ipfix mediators Observation domain ID explained =3D largest set of observation points Next steps: write first framework draft, implementation of mediator - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt (Falko Dressler) The draft was started in 2005. Aggregation =3D (1) flow selection and (2) compound flow creation After the selection criteria it becomes common property. Minor changes only. Problematic combinations described, e.g. allow any field vs. discard field values. Example described Open issues already mentioned before. - draft-sommer-ipfix-mediator-ext-00 (F. Dressler) Mediator-Specific Extensions to IPFIX Protocol and Information Model Motivation: current ipfix Protocol and Information Model: doesn't address bandwidth-efficient transport of compound flows. Rich template proposed. Summary: two new IEs added: ipv4Network and portRanges; 2 different approaches to increase transmission efficiency Brian: the charter says we should not change the template format, which the Rich template does, so it would need to be specified in the charter. - draft-irino-ipfix-ie-order-03 (Hitoshi Irino) Guidelines for the order of Information Elements Please refer to the presentation for details: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/ipfix-1.pdf No discussions. - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-multicast-measure-00 (Kobayashi Atsushi) IPFIX Multicast Measurement Please refer to the presentation for details: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/ipfix-5.pdf Presentation slides will be available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=3D70 (search for IPFIX in the Operations and Management Area) Notes taken by Ralf Wolter --=_2aka7n4fonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --=_2aka7n4fonpc-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 21 18:38:52 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JH6E5-0007RI-0T; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:38:49 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JH6E4-0007RC-DU for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:38:48 -0500 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.33] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JH6E2-00069w-2t for ipfix@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:38:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DA59C3A8 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:42 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kyPe8lLYKBRb for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE659C39E for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0LNcf1b002591 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m0LNcfi0002590 for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: motoko.itss.auckland.ac.nz: apache set sender to nevil@auckland.ac.nz using -f Received: from dchp-166-122-119-97.tip2008.hawaii.edu (dchp-166-122-119-97.tip2008.hawaii.edu [166.122.119.97]) by webmail.auckland.ac.nz (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 Message-ID: <20080122123841.u0v2ctrnug4okswo@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee To: ipfix@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_2aka7n4fonpc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 96e0f8497f38c15fbfc8f6f315bcdecb Subject: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. --=_2aka7n4fonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) charter. My summary of the notes is that a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and working on them. >>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, >>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt b) Configuration Data Model - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) The goals here are to produce two documents: - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create the documents the charter refers to, so - who's going to contribute text? - who's going to review these drafts? - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? - anything else? For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz --=_2aka7n4fonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="vancouver-notes.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vancouver-notes.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFIP Flow Information Export WG (ipfix) 1. Intro Simon explained that the ipfix WG has been re-chartered Previous charter documents are reviewed first. 2. Internet-Draft status In RFC Editor queue: - draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-12.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-info-15.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-as-12.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-05.txt - draft-ietf-ipfix-reducing-redundancy-04.txt ] - draft-ietf-psamp-framework-12.txt [Nick Duffield] Jun 07 - draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech-10.txt [Tanja Zseby] Jun 07 - draft-ietf-psamp-protocol-08.txt [Benoit Claise] Jun 07 - draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt [Thomas Dietz] Oct 07 Some delay due to interdepence with psamp, e.g. applicability draft and oth= ers ipfix mib: some outstanding work items Psamp status: Last call completed, new versions required Psamp framework, psamp-sample-tech, psamp-protocol 3. Drafts from the current charter a) Implementation Guidelines (Elisa Boschi) - draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-guidelines-08.txt www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~nevil/ipfix/draft-ietf-ipfix-implementation-g= uidelines-08.txt Status: the draft is almost complete, went to IETF and IESG review, some comments. New version has been posted by Nevil on his page (guidelines 08?) New paragraph in SCTP section added Comment from transport directorate: they wanted a statement that expresses that UDP is not recommended A comment on using RFC2119 language (MUST, SHOULD) applied b) IPFIX Testing (Paul Aitken) - draft-ietf-ipfix-testing-03.txt Status: publication has been requested Manor changes to previous version, such as simplifications, clarifications c) IPFIX MIB (Benoit Claise) - draft-ietf-ipfix-mib-01.txt Deadline missed, draft was posted yesterday, speed up process last call No changes on structure and RO/RW Terminology section removed All open issues have been resolved Ready for last call after this week Simon: did we get enough reviews yet? A: not yet, expected during last call 4. New Charter Following extensive discussions on the IPFIX list, a draft new charter was posted on 17 Oct 07. A request to re-charter the WG was submitted to IESG on 25 Oct 07. The final adoption will be assessed by the chairs based on the discussion on the mailing list. Milestones: Jan 2008 Publish Internet draft on IPFIX Mediation Problem Statement Jan 2008 Submit File Format draft to IESG for publication as Standards tra= ck RFC Jun 2008 Submit Type Export draft to IESG for publication as Standards tra= ck RFC Jun 2008 Submit Single SCTP Stream draft to IESG for publication as Inform= ational RFC Oct 2008 Submit Configuration Data Model draft to IESG for publication as = Standards track RFC Oct 2008 Submit Mediation Problem draft to IESG for publication as Informa= tional RFC Multiple documents, discuss adoption by WG. Simon explained what happens if an individual submission gets included in t= he WG a) IPFIX File Format (Brian Trammell) - draft-trammell-ipfix-file-05.txt Summary of the draft: standard flow storage format is useful for interoperability, flat binary files are ideal for flow storage. Changes to v4 include more examples, applicability to NetFlow v9 for converting these into ipfix. Next: continue to gain implementation experiences with ipfix files, ready for submission in January. Comments: Benoit: architectural assumption, e.g. routers write directly into files, should be clarified to avoid confusions. This leads to questions such as: how often to write, compress etc. A flow separator in the file could be useful, e.g. which device exported, which format etc. Brian: should be discussed in the WG, it makes sense to add it to the draft. A few people have read the draft (~10), most it=E2=80=99s ready fo= r adoption (~8). No votes against. b) Configuration Data Model (Benoit Claise) - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt The idea was to develop the data model based on ipfix and psamp data model. Added notes and clarifications on TemplateIDs. Multiple comments provided on the XML schema Data export into a file was added Filter added, such as access list, today AND filters in psamp, OR required Config parameters for packet size and delay added, should be a vendor specific tag Changes to config data model: export process restructured Open issues: file export: add option directly write into files file import: necessary? To be discussed on the list selection process, SCTP Should netconf be mandated? Consensus to recommend but not mandate Next steps: new draft by end of year Readers: not widely reviewed. More reviewers welcome! Adoption to be discussed on the list c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt Exporting Type Information for IPFIX Information Elements The name was changed from =E2=80=9CExtended=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CExporting= =E2=80=9D, therefore the name went back to 00. Problem statement: ipfix provides no mechanism for representing IM properties within an ipfix message stream. This requires external references. History explained, started in 2005. Every dimension provided for IE from ipfix is supported. Future work: submit version 00 as a WG item after this week, final draft expected by June Paul: does this draft encourage to use Enterprise specific IE instead of standard elements and therefore never standardize? People should be encouraged to use the standard. Brian: we should avoid that people use Enterprise specific IE at a wider range, standard IEs should be used. New IE should be standardized. Paul: standardized elements should be used whenever possible Roman: is this a set of rules / data model language for exporting proprietary information, including registry changes. New products/technologies will use proprietary information to avoid delay introduced by IETF until a standard element is defined. Can a similar approach as with SNMP MIBs be used to easily standardize new IE? Clarification should be added to the document and explain transition process. Brian: technical transition process should be explained. Direct mapping was discussed in the past. If adopted, this needs clarification Benoit: is there guidance to prevent errors, e.g. wrong types for time etc. Elisa: not described yet, should be added. Multiple references to the data model. 6 people have read the draft, 4 people think it should be added to WG. No votes against. d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt Idea: export each template in a single stream. Advantage: report data lost per template, already specified in ipfix requirements. Transmission order is maintained, i.e. data records couldn't arrive before template records. Solution: add new streams with the existing SCTP association OR use stream = 0. Problem: usually the same option template is used for multiple streams, this needs to be addressed. Approach: sending the option in every stream is not possible (prevented by protocol draft). Some ideas proposed, not finalized solution yet. E.g. last used stream that used the option template sends it. Draft was completely rewritten, feedback and review required. 2 people have read the draft, Ready for adoption: 1 person Simon: this document is closely related to the new charter. Some work in this area required. e) IPFIX Mediation, 2 individual submission: Kobayashi Atsushi, Christoph Sommer - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt The goals here are to produce two documents: - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) =09IPFIX Mediation Problem Statement: Issue: in large ISP networks with thousands of routers the number of exported flow records exceeds 500 Gb/s. MPLS is used for traffic engineering and VPNs. Sampling is required, the biggest challenge in the future is scalability Approach: introducing hierarchical flow collection with concentrators How to distinguish separate network flows, e.g. VPNs and Internet share the same network infrastructure Idea: use flow classifier. Conclusions: concentrators are useful, however data might get lost and a device between Exporter and Collector needs more function other than Concentrator. Ralf: please clarify where data get lost. Answer: aggregation and correlation reduced the granularity of the original collection Dan: concern that this proposal introduces functions beyond the initial definitions, e.g. the classifier/concentrator might not be the right approach for scalability. Simon (speaking as operator): these issues even occur in smaller networks which requires an extraction process e.g. separate internal / external traffic Dan: why do we need a standard? Simon: today the export is proprietary, it would be easier to have it in standard format Dan: does this fit into ipfix? It reminds me to session border control Kobayashi: today these information are sent to multiple collectors and the collector has to apply the filtering, the classifier simplifies it. 4 people have read the draft, ready for adoption: 1 person - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt IPFIX Mediation Framework (Atsushi Kobayashi) Definition: ipfix mediation =3D ipfix protocol mediation and flow mediation Added ipfix distributor device as ipfix mediators Observation domain ID explained =3D largest set of observation points Next steps: write first framework draft, implementation of mediator - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt (Falko Dressler) The draft was started in 2005. Aggregation =3D (1) flow selection and (2) compound flow creation After the selection criteria it becomes common property. Minor changes only. Problematic combinations described, e.g. allow any field vs. discard field values. Example described Open issues already mentioned before. - draft-sommer-ipfix-mediator-ext-00 (F. Dressler) Mediator-Specific Extensions to IPFIX Protocol and Information Model Motivation: current ipfix Protocol and Information Model: doesn't address bandwidth-efficient transport of compound flows. Rich template proposed. 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------=_NextPart_000_F572_01C85C95.080B9B40-- From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 22 07:56:25 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHIft-00075Y-23; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:56:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHIfr-00075S-WB for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:56:20 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHIfo-0008SC-Tw for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:56:19 -0500 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:fa8:1000:0:cd47:4c93:efb8:5d92]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MCttN5057292; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:55:58 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:56:02 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: MEDIATION Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting In-Reply-To: <20080122123841.u0v2ctrnug4okswo@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> References: <20080122123841.u0v2ctrnug4okswo@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Message-Id: <20080122214922.375D.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:55:58 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I will revise draft "draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt" based on the following points until next meeting. I would appreciate if more people post any comments in IPFIX-ML. - more description what data get lost I will add more description about what data get lost along Ralf's comments. With regard to the loss of information, there are two types. One is flow information volume after sampling and aggregation. These parameters should be kept at same level as far as possible, even if traffic grows. Other is IPFIX header and observation point information. This data is necessary to be shared in whole collection system. - description about what is Mediator This draft doesn't make clear definition about what is Mediator, though I introduce mediator in introduction section. This is based on the feedback from Thomas Hirsch. Thank you. - load balancing method of flow records To cope with huge flow records, we can adopt load balancing of flow collector. But, classification function for flow records has not defined in IPFIX document series, yet. - IPFIX protocols interworking What I call Mediator needs interworking from received IPFIX protocol to exported IPFIX protocol. In this case, the management of observation domain id/ template id, and the handling of "withdraw message" are necessary to be defined. If they are not defined, final collectors might confuse and shut down IPFIX sessions. Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > > Hi all: > > Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX > things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. > > One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX > meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for > that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. > > The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, > what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) > charter. My summary of the notes is that > > a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG > item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were > left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion > now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and > working on them. > > >>> What I need now is at least three people who will > >>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, > >>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on > >>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. > > c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - > draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt > > b) Configuration Data Model > - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt > > d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) > - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt > > > Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt > - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) > > The goals here are to produce two documents: > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' > > There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some > discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create > the documents the charter refers to, so > - who's going to contribute text? > - who's going to review these drafts? > - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? > - anything else? > > For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by > including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. > > Cheers, Nevil > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz > --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5637 _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 22 07:56:25 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHIft-00075Y-23; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:56:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHIfr-00075S-WB for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:56:20 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([2001:fa8::25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHIfo-0008SC-Tw for ipfix@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:56:19 -0500 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:fa8:1000:0:cd47:4c93:efb8:5d92]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0MCttN5057292; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:55:58 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:56:02 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Nevil Brownlee Subject: MEDIATION Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting In-Reply-To: <20080122123841.u0v2ctrnug4okswo@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> References: <20080122123841.u0v2ctrnug4okswo@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Message-Id: <20080122214922.375D.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.30.02 [ja] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:55:58 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I will revise draft "draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt" based on the following points until next meeting. I would appreciate if more people post any comments in IPFIX-ML. - more description what data get lost I will add more description about what data get lost along Ralf's comments. With regard to the loss of information, there are two types. One is flow information volume after sampling and aggregation. These parameters should be kept at same level as far as possible, even if traffic grows. Other is IPFIX header and observation point information. This data is necessary to be shared in whole collection system. - description about what is Mediator This draft doesn't make clear definition about what is Mediator, though I introduce mediator in introduction section. This is based on the feedback from Thomas Hirsch. Thank you. - load balancing method of flow records To cope with huge flow records, we can adopt load balancing of flow collector. But, classification function for flow records has not defined in IPFIX document series, yet. - IPFIX protocols interworking What I call Mediator needs interworking from received IPFIX protocol to exported IPFIX protocol. In this case, the management of observation domain id/ template id, and the handling of "withdraw message" are necessary to be defined. If they are not defined, final collectors might confuse and shut down IPFIX sessions. Best Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:41 +1300 Nevil Brownlee wrote: > > Hi all: > > Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX > things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. > > One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX > meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for > that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. > > The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, > what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) > charter. My summary of the notes is that > > a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG > item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were > left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion > now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and > working on them. > > >>> What I need now is at least three people who will > >>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, > >>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on > >>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. > > c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - > draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt > > b) Configuration Data Model > - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt > > d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) > - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt > > > Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt > - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) > > The goals here are to produce two documents: > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' > > There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some > discussion on this now, please. 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Lets start that discussion > now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and > working on them. > >>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, >>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. > > c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - > draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt > > b) Configuration Data Model > - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt > > d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) > - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt > > > Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt > - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) > > The goals here are to produce two documents: > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' > > There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some > discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create > the documents the charter refers to, so > - who's going to contribute text? > - who's going to review these drafts? > - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? > - anything else? > > For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by > including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. > > Cheers, Nevil > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 23 06:48:45 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHe5y-0000At-D2; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:48:42 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHe5x-0000Al-H1 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:48:41 -0500 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHe5u-00058b-IU for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:48:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115D628000455; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:48:38 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GUtsJLmrFOKZ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:48:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80A728000356; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:48:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:46:40 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:46:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting From: Juergen Quittek To: Nevil Brownlee , IETF IPFIX Working Group Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Thread-Index: AchdtagN5p+3qcmoEdyLfAAWy4a5Gw== In-Reply-To: <20080122123841.u0v2ctrnug4okswo@webmail.auckland.ac.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes uploaded to the Proceedings server at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt Please review this version. Thanks, Juergen On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" wrote: > > Hi all: > > Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX > things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. > > One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX > meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for > that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. > > The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, > what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) > charter. My summary of the notes is that > > a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG > item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt > > > The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were > left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion > now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and > working on them. > >>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, >>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. > > c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - > draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt > > b) Configuration Data Model > - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt > > d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) > - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt > > > Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt > - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt > - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) > > The goals here are to produce two documents: > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' > - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' > > There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some > discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create > the documents the charter refers to, so > - who's going to contribute text? > - who's going to review these drafts? > - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? > - anything else? > > For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by > including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. > > Cheers, Nevil > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From dxaqi@adelphia.com Wed Jan 23 06:57:15 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHeEF-0001Uj-F3 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:57:15 -0500 Received: from [71.164.4.40] (helo=71.164.4.40) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHeEE-0004FH-QK for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c85db7$06edd6e6$d92f2eb8@jtvrykp> From: "kelbee chris" To: Subject: Brand Name Top Designer Shoes Boots and High Heels Gucci Prada Chanel & More Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:09:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 OMG! 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Elizabeth From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 27 17:31:49 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJG2J-0006XW-VT; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:31:35 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJG2J-0006XR-Kh for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:31:35 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com ([194.36.128.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJG2H-00084x-Ve for ipfix@ietf.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:31:35 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1201473092-588000360000-urGyNO X-Barracuda-URL: http://mhd-bar.hitachi-eu.com:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 833CB27396F for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:31:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.225.234]) by gatekeeper.hitachi-eu.com with ESMTP id sUHVgQrE2vJ42hCA for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:31:32 +0000 (GMT) X-ASG-Whitelist: Client Received: from MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com (Not Verified[193.39.227.52]) by mhd-mta-int.hitachi-eu.com with MailMarshal (v6, 2, 1, 3252) id ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:31:35 +0000 Received: from mhdexcb.adhel.hitachi-eu.com ([193.39.227.47]) by MHDEXC99.adhel.hitachi-eu.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:31:31 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:28:31 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Thread-Index: AchhM/IdIl630aCFTGeE4yfXddrQuA== From: "Boschi, Elisa" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2008 22:31:31.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DA6DF30:01C86134] X-Barracuda-Connect: UNKNOWN[193.39.225.234] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1201473092 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by HEU SPAM Firewall - MHD at hitachi-eu.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79bb66f827e54e9d5c5c7f1f9d645608 Cc: ipfix@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0263151218==" Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0263151218== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C86134.5D803A8E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86134.5D803A8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nevil, J=FCrgen, the numbers I remember with respect to exporting types are not those repo= rted on the minutes. I remember (and have a personal note on this) that 7= =20people had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of th= em was Dan).=20 There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. The aud= io is available online and confirms this: http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf70/ietf70-ch3-tue= -noon-pifix.mp3 thanks, Elisa Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes > uploaded to the Proceedings server at >=20 > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt >=20 > Please review this version. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Juergen >=20 >=20 > On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" wrote: >=20 >> Hi all: >> >> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX >> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. >> >> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX >> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for >> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. >> >> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, >> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) >> charter. My summary of the notes is that >> >> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG >> item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt >> >> >> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were >> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion >> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and >> working on them. >> >>>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that,= >>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. >> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - >> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt >> >> b) Configuration Data Model >> - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt >> >> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) >> - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt >> >> >> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed >> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt >> - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt >> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) >> >> The goals here are to produce two documents: >> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' >> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' >> >> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some >> discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create >> the documents the charter refers to, so >> - who's going to contribute text? >> - who's going to review these drafts? >> - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? >> - anything else? >> >> For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by >> including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.n= z >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix *************************************************************************= *************************=20 E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer.=20 This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are in= tended solely for the use=20 of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Access to this e= -mail by anyone else is=20 unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copy= ing, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited. E-m= ail messages are not=20 necessarily secure. Hitachi does not accept responsibility for any change= s made to this message=20 after it was sent.=20 Hitachi checks outgoing e-mail messages for the presence of computer viru= ses.=20 *************************************************************************= ************************* ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86134.5D803A8E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting

Nevil, J=FCrgen,

the numbers I remember with respect to exporting types are not those repo= rted on the minutes. I remember (and have a personal note on this) that 7= =20people had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of th= em was Dan).

There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. The aud= io is available online and confirms this:

http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab= /media/ietf70/ietf70-ch3-tue-noon-pifix.mp3

thanks,
Elisa

Juergen Quittek wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes
> uploaded to the Proceedings server at
>
>     http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/i= pfix.txt
>
> Please review this version.
>
> Thanks,
>
>     Juergen
>
>
> On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" <nevil@au= ckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPF= IX
>> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now.
>>
>> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver I= PFIX
>> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very= =20much for
>> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email.
>>
>> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particu= lar,
>> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revis= ed)
>> charter. My summary of the notes is that
>>
>> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopte= d as a WG
>>       item, and has been published= =20as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt
>>
>>
>> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they = were
>> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that d= iscussion
>> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting = (and
>> working on them.
>>
>>>>> What I need now is at least three people who w= ill
>>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change.&= nbsp; If you can do that,
>>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'= ll announce that on
>>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft publis= hed.
>> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi)    = ;       -
>> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt
>>
>> b) Configuration Data Model
>>       - draft-muenz-ipfix-configur= ation-03.txt
>>
>> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise)
>>       - draft-claise-ipfix-export-= per-sctp-stream-02.txt
>>
>>
>> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed
>>       - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-medi= ator-model-01.txt
>>       - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggre= gation-04.txt
>>       - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-larg= e-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi)
>>
>>    The goals here are to produce two documents: >>    - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement'
>>    - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework'
>>
>> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see = some
>> discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to= =20create
>> the documents the charter refers to, so
>>   - who's going to contribute text?
>>   - who's going to review these drafts?
>>   - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted fr= om?
>>   - anything else?
>>
>> For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your post= s by
>> including MEDIATION in the Subject Line.
>>
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------= -------
>>   Nevil Brownlee      &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; Computer Science Department | ITS
>>   Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941    =          The University of Auckla= nd
>>   FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, A= uckland 1142, New Zealand
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------= -------
>> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPFIX mailing list
>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https:/= /www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IPFIX mailing list
> IPFIX@ietf.org
> https://www= 1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix

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I remember (and have a personal note on this) that 7= =20people had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of th= em was Dan).=20 There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. The aud= io is available online and confirms this: http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf70/ietf70-ch3-tue= -noon-pifix.mp3 thanks, Elisa Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes > uploaded to the Proceedings server at >=20 > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt >=20 > Please review this version. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Juergen >=20 >=20 > On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" wrote: >=20 >> Hi all: >> >> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX >> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. >> >> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX >> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for >> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. >> >> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, >> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) >> charter. My summary of the notes is that >> >> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG >> item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt >> >> >> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were >> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion >> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and >> working on them. >> >>>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that,= >>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. >> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - >> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt >> >> b) Configuration Data Model >> - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt >> >> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) >> - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt >> >> >> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed >> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt >> - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt >> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) >> >> The goals here are to produce two documents: >> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' >> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' >> >> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some >> discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create >> the documents the charter refers to, so >> - who's going to contribute text? >> - who's going to review these drafts? >> - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? >> - anything else? >> >> For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by >> including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. >> >> Cheers, Nevil >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.n= z >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix *************************************************************************= *************************=20 E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer.=20 This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are in= tended solely for the use=20 of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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Unfortunately, I cannot edit the proceedings anymore. We have to live with them as they are. But I think this is sufficient for accepting your draft as WG document. Nevil, would you have any problem with doing so? Thanks, Juergen --=20 Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 On 27.01.2008 23:28 Uhr "Boschi, Elisa" wrote: > Nevil, J=FCrgen, >=20 > the numbers I remember with respect to exporting types are not those repo= rted > on the minutes. I remember (and have a personal note on this) that 7 peop= le > had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of them was Dan= ). >=20 > There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. The aud= io is > available online and confirms this: >=20 > http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf70/ietf70-ch3-tue= -noon > -pifix.mp3 >=20 > thanks, > Elisa >=20 >=20 > Juergen Quittek wrote: >> Dear all, >>=20 >> There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes >> uploaded to the Proceedings server at >>=20 >> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt >>=20 >> Please review this version. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Juergen >>=20 >>=20 >> On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi all: >>>=20 >>> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX >>> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. >>>=20 >>> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX >>> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for >>> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. >>>=20 >>> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, >>> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) >>> charter. My summary of the notes is that >>>=20 >>> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG >>> item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were >>> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion >>> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and >>> working on them. >>>=20 >>>>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, >>>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. >>> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - >>> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt >>>=20 >>> b) Configuration Data Model >>> - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt >>>=20 >>> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) >>> - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed >>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt >>> - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt >>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) >>>=20 >>> The goals here are to produce two documents: >>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' >>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' >>>=20 >>> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some >>> discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create >>> the documents the charter refers to, so >>> - who's going to contribute text? >>> - who's going to review these drafts? >>> - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? >>> - anything else? >>>=20 >>> For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by >>> including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, Nevil >>>=20 >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >>>=20 >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 > *************************************************************************= ***** > ******************** > E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer. >=20 > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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Hitachi does not accept responsibility for any change= s > made to this message > after it was sent. > Hitachi checks outgoing e-mail messages for the presence of computer viru= ses. > *************************************************************************= ***** > ******************** _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 30 03:23:24 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JK8E1-0004hE-TK; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:23:17 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JK8E0-0004fI-GF for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:23:16 -0500 Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([195.37.70.41]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JK8Dz-00035b-Jt for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:23:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6AB2C01D461; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:23:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas2.office) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas2.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ePdVBNknNvBU; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:23:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF12F2C01D45F; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:22:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from 10.1.1.104 ([10.1.1.104]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:23:00 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:23:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting From: Juergen Quittek To: "Boschi, Elisa" , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Thread-Index: AchhM/IdIl630aCFTGeE4yfXddrQuAB5WxWt In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1449ead51a2ff026dcb23465f5379250 Cc: IETF IPFIX Working Group X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Elisa, I checked the record and found that you are right. Unfortunately, I cannot edit the proceedings anymore. We have to live with them as they are. But I think this is sufficient for accepting your draft as WG document. Nevil, would you have any problem with doing so? Thanks, Juergen --=20 Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 On 27.01.2008 23:28 Uhr "Boschi, Elisa" wrote: > Nevil, J=FCrgen, >=20 > the numbers I remember with respect to exporting types are not those repo= rted > on the minutes. I remember (and have a personal note on this) that 7 peop= le > had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of them was Dan= ). >=20 > There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. The aud= io is > available online and confirms this: >=20 > http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf70/ietf70-ch3-tue= -noon > -pifix.mp3 >=20 > thanks, > Elisa >=20 >=20 > Juergen Quittek wrote: >> Dear all, >>=20 >> There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes >> uploaded to the Proceedings server at >>=20 >> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt >>=20 >> Please review this version. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Juergen >>=20 >>=20 >> On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi all: >>>=20 >>> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX >>> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. >>>=20 >>> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver IPFIX >>> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much for >>> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. >>>=20 >>> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in particular, >>> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) >>> charter. My summary of the notes is that >>>=20 >>> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as a WG >>> item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they were >>> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that discussion >>> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting (and >>> working on them. >>>=20 >>>>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do that, >>>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce that on >>>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. >>> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - >>> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt >>>=20 >>> b) Configuration Data Model >>> - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt >>>=20 >>> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) >>> - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed >>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt >>> - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt >>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) >>>=20 >>> The goals here are to produce two documents: >>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' >>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' >>>=20 >>> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see some >>> discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create >>> the documents the charter refers to, so >>> - who's going to contribute text? >>> - who's going to review these drafts? >>> - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? >>> - anything else? >>>=20 >>> For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your posts by >>> including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, Nevil >>>=20 >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >>>=20 >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IPFIX mailing list >> IPFIX@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >=20 > *************************************************************************= ***** > ******************** > E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer. >=20 > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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http://tbtojad.hydeoem.com/ ------------7CBD3A75FF8425-- From RenehecateWhalen@oxfordjournals.org Wed Jan 30 16:58:21 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKKwn-0002zS-In; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:58:21 -0500 Received: from [84.13.169.92] (helo=charlie.lan) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKKwn-0003Es-3P; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:58:21 -0500 Received: from any by oxfordjournals.org with SMTP id YMDxLDtuIn for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:57:45 +0000 From: "Margo Whalen" To: Cc: , Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKLpg-000741-BO; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:04 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKLpe-0006r2-V8 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:02 -0500 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.33] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKLpb-0004ok-RJ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D9C9C547; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:54 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCHtGx6ovGEo; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:54 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4891A9C555; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:52 +1300 (NZDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2596559F-2D3D-4D48-ACAF-3D4B64C9B96F@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:52 +1300 To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36fb765c89ed47dab364ab702a78e8fd Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , IETF IPFIX Working Group X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jeurgen Yes, I agree, we have consensus to adopt draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt as a WG task. On other matters: I'm a bit puzzled that there's been nothing on the list about the other drafts we need to decide on - we should have clear consensus before adopting them. Please take a moment to tell us that you support draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt, and/or draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt Also, please tell us whether you're able to review them from time to =20 time. Last, we *need* some discussion on how to proceed with the MEDIATION drafts ... Cheers, Nevil On 30/01/2008, at 9:23 PM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Hi Elisa, > > I checked the record and found that you are right. > > Unfortunately, I cannot edit the proceedings anymore. > We have to live with them as they are. > > But I think this is sufficient for accepting your draft as WG =20 > document. > Nevil, would you have any problem with doing so? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > --=20 > Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 =20 > 4342-115 > NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 =20 > 4342-155 > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://=20 > www.netlab.nec.de > Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK > Registered in England 2832014 > > > > On 27.01.2008 23:28 Uhr "Boschi, Elisa" > wrote: > >> Nevil, J=FCrgen, >> >> the numbers I remember with respect to exporting types are not =20 >> those reported >> on the minutes. I remember (and have a personal note on this) that =20= >> 7 people >> had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of them =20 >> was Dan). >> >> There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. =20 >> The audio is >> available online and confirms this: >> >> http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf70/ietf70-=20 >> ch3-tue-noon >> -pifix.mp3 >> >> thanks, >> Elisa >> >> >> Juergen Quittek wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes >>> uploaded to the Proceedings server at >>> >>> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt >>> >>> Please review this version. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Juergen >>> >>> >>> On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" =20 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all: >>>> >>>> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX >>>> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. >>>> >>>> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver =20 >>>> IPFIX >>>> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much =20= >>>> for >>>> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. >>>> >>>> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in =20 >>>> particular, >>>> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) >>>> charter. My summary of the notes is that >>>> >>>> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as =20 >>>> a WG >>>> item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt >>>> >>>> >>>> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they =20 >>>> were >>>> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that =20 >>>> discussion >>>> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting =20 >>>> (and >>>> working on them. >>>> >>>>>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do =20= >>>>>>> that, >>>>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce =20 >>>>>>> that on >>>>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. >>>> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - >>>> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt >>>> >>>> b) Configuration Data Model >>>> - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt >>>> >>>> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) >>>> - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt >>>> >>>> >>>> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed >>>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt >>>> - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt >>>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) >>>> >>>> The goals here are to produce two documents: >>>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' >>>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' >>>> >>>> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see =20 >>>> some >>>> discussion on this now, please. We need to work out how to create >>>> the documents the charter refers to, so >>>> - who's going to contribute text? >>>> - who's going to review these drafts? >>>> - which of the existing drafts can text be lifted from? >>>> - anything else? >>>> >>>> For this discussion, please post to the list, but mark your =20 >>>> posts by >>>> including MEDIATION in the Subject Line. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Nevil >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >>>> ---- >>>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department =20 >>>> | ITS >>>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of =20 >>>> Auckland >>>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New =20 >>>> Zealand >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------=20= >>>> ---- >>>> This mail sent through University of Auckland http://=20 >>>> www.auckland.ac.nz >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> IPFIX mailing list >>>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IPFIX mailing list >>> IPFIX@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix >> >> *********************************************************************=20= >> ********* >> ******************** >> E-mail Confidentiality Notice and Disclaimer. >> >> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and =20= >> are >> intended solely for the use >> of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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Hitachi does not accept responsibility for any =20= >> changes >> made to this message >> after it was sent. >> Hitachi checks outgoing e-mail messages for the presence of =20 >> computer viruses. >> *********************************************************************=20= >> ********* >> ******************** > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 30 17:55:11 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKLpg-000741-BO; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:04 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKLpe-0006r2-V8 for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:02 -0500 Received: from curly.its.auckland.ac.nz ([130.216.12.33] helo=mailhost.auckland.ac.nz) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKLpb-0004ok-RJ for ipfix@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:55:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D9C9C547; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:54 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCHtGx6ovGEo; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:54 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from [130.216.38.130] (nevil-laptop.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4891A9C555; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:52 +1300 (NZDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2596559F-2D3D-4D48-ACAF-3D4B64C9B96F@auckland.ac.nz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [IPFIX] New drafts: followup from Vancouver meeting Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:52 +1300 To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36fb765c89ed47dab364ab702a78e8fd Cc: "Boschi, Elisa" , IETF IPFIX Working Group X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jeurgen Yes, I agree, we have consensus to adopt draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt as a WG task. On other matters: I'm a bit puzzled that there's been nothing on the list about the other drafts we need to decide on - we should have clear consensus before adopting them. Please take a moment to tell us that you support draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt, and/or draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt Also, please tell us whether you're able to review them from time to =20 time. Last, we *need* some discussion on how to proceed with the MEDIATION drafts ... Cheers, Nevil On 30/01/2008, at 9:23 PM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Hi Elisa, > > I checked the record and found that you are right. > > Unfortunately, I cannot edit the proceedings anymore. > We have to live with them as they are. > > But I think this is sufficient for accepting your draft as WG =20 > document. > Nevil, would you have any problem with doing so? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > --=20 > Juergen Quittek quittek@nw.neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 =20 > 4342-115 > NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 =20 > 4342-155 > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://=20 > www.netlab.nec.de > Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK > Registered in England 2832014 > > > > On 27.01.2008 23:28 Uhr "Boschi, Elisa" > wrote: > >> Nevil, J=FCrgen, >> >> the numbers I remember with respect to exporting types are not =20 >> those reported >> on the minutes. I remember (and have a personal note on this) that =20= >> 7 people >> had read the document while 5 voted for its adoption (one of them =20 >> was Dan). >> >> There was consensus to accept the document as working group item. =20 >> The audio is >> available online and confirms this: >> >> http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf70/ietf70-=20 >> ch3-tue-noon >> -pifix.mp3 >> >> thanks, >> Elisa >> >> >> Juergen Quittek wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> There is already an edited version of Ralf's notes >>> uploaded to the Proceedings server at >>> >>> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/ipfix.txt >>> >>> Please review this version. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Juergen >>> >>> >>> On 22.01.2008 0:38 Uhr "Nevil Brownlee" =20 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all: >>>> >>>> Over the last six weeks or so I've been busy doing other non-IPFIX >>>> things - sorry about that, I'm back to normal mode now. >>>> >>>> One thing I got behind on was posting minutes of the Vancouver =20 >>>> IPFIX >>>> meeting. Rolf Wolter kindly took notes for us (thisnk very much =20= >>>> for >>>> that Rolf), I've attached them to thie email. >>>> >>>> The Vancouver meeting discussed next steps for IPFIX, in =20 >>>> particular, >>>> what drafts should we adopt as WG items under the current (revised) >>>> charter. My summary of the notes is that >>>> >>>> a) IPFIX File Format. This had clear consensus, was adopted as =20 >>>> a WG >>>> item, and has been published as draft-ietf-ipfix-file-00.txt >>>> >>>> >>>> The next three drafts didn't have such clear consesnus, so they =20 >>>> were >>>> left for discussion on the mailing list. Lets start that =20 >>>> discussion >>>> now; each of these three drafts has people activiely supporting =20 >>>> (and >>>> working on them. >>>> >>>>>>> What I need now is at least three people who will >>>>>>> review them, preferably whenever they change. If you can do =20= >>>>>>> that, >>>>>>> please email me directly; when I have three I'll announce =20 >>>>>>> that on >>>>>>> the list, and we can get each new draft published. >>>> c) Extended types in IPFIX (Elisa Boschi) - >>>> draft-boschi-ipfix-exporting-type-00.txt >>>> >>>> b) Configuration Data Model >>>> - draft-muenz-ipfix-configuration-03.txt >>>> >>>> d) IPFIX Per-Stream SCTP reporting (Benoit Claise) >>>> - draft-claise-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-02.txt >>>> >>>> >>>> Three drafts on IPFIX Mediation were discussed >>>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-mediator-model-01.txt >>>> - draft-dressler-ipfix-aggregation-04.txt >>>> - draft-kobayashi-ipfix-large-ps-00.txt (Kobayashi Atsushi) >>>> >>>> The goals here are to produce two documents: >>>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Problem Statement' >>>> - 'IPFIX Mediation: Framework' >>>> >>>> There's clearly support to move forward on this one - let's see =20 >>>> some >>>> discussion on this now, please. 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RFC 5101 Title: Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information Author: B. Claise, Ed. Status: Standards Track Date: January 2008 Mailbox: bclaise@cisco.com Pages: 63 Characters: 147196 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5101.txt This document specifies the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) protocol that serves for transmitting IP Traffic Flow information over the network. In order to transmit IP Traffic Flow information from an Exporting Process to an information Collecting Process, a common representation of flow data and a standard means of communicating them is required. This document describes how the IPFIX Data and Template Records are carried over a number of transport protocols from an IPFIX Exporting Process to an IPFIX Collecting Process. 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RFC 5101 Title: Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information Author: B. Claise, Ed. Status: Standards Track Date: January 2008 Mailbox: bclaise@cisco.com Pages: 63 Characters: 147196 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5101.txt This document specifies the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) protocol that serves for transmitting IP Traffic Flow information over the network. In order to transmit IP Traffic Flow information from an Exporting Process to an information Collecting Process, a common representation of flow data and a standard means of communicating them is required. This document describes how the IPFIX Data and Template Records are carried over a number of transport protocols from an IPFIX Exporting Process to an IPFIX Collecting Process. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 31 17:24:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD78228C29D; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NtiPcuv-4u18; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DAC28C23B; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:41 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C769028C23A; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3-0FuZ6R44p; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221D228C1FA; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 1599B10C7B3; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20080201012456.1599B10C7B3@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [IPFIX] RFC 5103 on Bidirectional Flow Export Using IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5103 Title: Bidirectional Flow Export Using IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Author: B. Trammell, E. Boschi Status: Standards Track Date: January 2008 Mailbox: bht@cert.org, elisa.boschi@hitachi-eu.com Pages: 24 Characters: 53534 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-05.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5103.txt This document describes an efficient method for exporting bidirectional flow (Biflow) information using the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) protocol, representing each Biflow using a single Flow Record. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 31 17:24:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD78228C29D; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NtiPcuv-4u18; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DAC28C23B; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:41 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C769028C23A; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3-0FuZ6R44p; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221D228C1FA; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 1599B10C7B3; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20080201012456.1599B10C7B3@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [IPFIX] RFC 5103 on Bidirectional Flow Export Using IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5103 Title: Bidirectional Flow Export Using IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Author: B. Trammell, E. Boschi Status: Standards Track Date: January 2008 Mailbox: bht@cert.org, elisa.boschi@hitachi-eu.com Pages: 24 Characters: 53534 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-05.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5103.txt This document describes an efficient method for exporting bidirectional flow (Biflow) information using the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) protocol, representing each Biflow using a single Flow Record. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 31 17:30:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B66728C444; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iMSDZXp8nVp; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CD128C258; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B28D28C23D; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uGiLm33HoVor; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D6F28C1CD; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 8CAA310C7B1; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:48 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20080201012448.8CAA310C7B1@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [IPFIX] RFC 5102 on Information Model for IP Flow Information Export X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5102 Title: Information Model for IP Flow Information Export Author: J. Quittek, S. Bryant, B. Claise, P. Aitken, J. Meyer Status: Standards Track Date: January 2008 Mailbox: quittek@netlab.nec.de, stbryant@cisco.com, bclaise@cisco.com, paitken@cisco.com, jemeyer@paypal.com Pages: 171 Characters: 335617 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-15.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5102.txt This memo defines an information model for the IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) protocol. It is used by the IPFIX protocol for encoding measured traffic information and information related to the traffic Observation Point, the traffic Metering Process, and the Exporting Process. Although developed for the IPFIX protocol, the model is defined in an open way that easily allows using it in other protocols, interfaces, and applications. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... _______________________________________________ IPFIX mailing list IPFIX@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix From ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 31 17:30:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipfix-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B66728C444; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iMSDZXp8nVp; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CD128C258; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipfix@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B28D28C23D; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uGiLm33HoVor; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D6F28C1CD; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 8CAA310C7B1; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:48 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20080201012448.8CAA310C7B1@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: ipfix@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [IPFIX] RFC 5102 on Information Model for IP Flow Information Export X-BeenThere: ipfix@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFIX WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5102 Title: Information Model for IP Flow Information Export Author: J. Quittek, S. Bryant, B. Claise, P. Aitken, J. Meyer Status: Standards Track Date: January 2008 Mailbox: quittek@netlab.nec.de, stbryant@cisco.com, bclaise@cisco.com, paitken@cisco.com, jemeyer@paypal.com Pages: 171 Characters: 335617 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-15.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5102.txt This memo defines an information model for the IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) protocol. It is used by the IPFIX protocol for encoding measured traffic information and information related to the traffic Observation Point, the traffic Metering Process, and the Exporting Process. Although developed for the IPFIX protocol, the model is defined in an open way that easily allows using it in other protocols, interfaces, and applications. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. 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