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The WG Chairs have been asked to make their WG aware of this issue.
This is a complicated subject, but the executive summary is that if
you have an Internet-draft that quotes substantially from one or more
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you did not write this earlier work yourself (or you wrote it while
with another company), you need to be aware of the likely difficulty
of obtaining RFC5378 clearances for your new work, and also to be
aware that a work-around is on the way. The work-around should be in
place to allow submissions to the San Francisco IETF well before the
normal deadlines.

Again, please direct any follow-up discussion to ietf@ietf.org

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Dear all,

In case you haven't been following the discussion,  here's a helpful
distillation by Marshall Eubanks:

The WG Chairs have been asked to make their WG aware of this issue.
This is a complicated subject, but the executive summary is that if
you have an Internet-draft that quotes substantially from one or more
older RFCs (ones with a publication date pre-November 11, 2008), and
you did not write this earlier work yourself (or you wrote it while
with another company), you need to be aware of the likely difficulty
of obtaining RFC5378 clearances for your new work, and also to be
aware that a work-around is on the way. The work-around should be in
place to allow submissions to the San Francisco IETF well before the
normal deadlines.

Again, please direct any follow-up discussion to ietf@ietf.org

Thanks,

    Juergen
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101,
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Type: Technical
Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>

Section: A.4.4.

Original Text
-------------
   Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
   -------------------------------------------------------------------
   Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
   Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402

Corrected Text
--------------
   Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
   -------------------------------------------------------------------
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   2                    | 690                 | 20402

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-----
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101,
"Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".

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http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655

--------------------------------------
Type: Technical
Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>

Section: A.4.4.

Original Text
-------------
   Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
   -------------------------------------------------------------------
   Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
   Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402

Corrected Text
--------------
   Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
   -------------------------------------------------------------------
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   2                    | 690                 | 20402

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-----
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RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
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Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information
Publication Date    : January 2008
Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
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Source              : IP Flow Information Export
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RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
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Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?  

Dan
 

> -----Original Message-----
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> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); 
> rbonica@juniper.net; n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz; quittek@netlab.nec.de
> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
> 
> 
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101, 
> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) 
> Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
> 
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
> 
> Section: A.4.4.
> 
> Original Text
> -------------
>    Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>    Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
> 
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    1                    | 345                 | 10201
>    2                    | 690                 | 20402
> 
> Notes
> -----
> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the 
> template in A.4.3. 
> Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be those defined in A.4.3.
> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change 
> is required.
> 
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> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow 
> Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP 
> Traffic Flow Information
> Publication Date    : January 2008
> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
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Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?  

Dan
 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); 
> rbonica@juniper.net; n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz; quittek@netlab.nec.de
> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
> 
> 
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101, 
> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) 
> Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
> 
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
> 
> Section: A.4.4.
> 
> Original Text
> -------------
>    Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>    Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
> 
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    1                    | 345                 | 10201
>    2                    | 690                 | 20402
> 
> Notes
> -----
> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the 
> template in A.4.3. 
> Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be those defined in A.4.3.
> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change 
> is required.
> 
> Instructions:
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> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, 
> please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be 
> verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the 
> verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and 
> edit the report, if necessary. 
> 
> --------------------------------------
> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow 
> Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP 
> Traffic Flow Information
> Publication Date    : January 2008
> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
> Area                : Operations and Management
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG
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Dan,

This correction makes sense.
Note: Paul and I discussed this one before posting the technical errata. ;-)

Regards, Benoit.
> Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?  
>
> Dan
>  
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
>> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); 
>> rbonica@juniper.net; n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz; quittek@netlab.nec.de
>> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
>> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
>>
>>
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101, 
>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) 
>> Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Technical
>> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
>>
>> Section: A.4.4.
>>
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>>    Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
>>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>>    Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
>>
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>>    Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    1                    | 345                 | 10201
>>    2                    | 690                 | 20402
>>
>> Notes
>> -----
>> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the 
>> template in A.4.3. 
>> Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be those defined in A.4.3.
>> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change 
>> is required.
>>
>> Instructions:
>> -------------
>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, 
>> please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be 
>> verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the 
>> verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and 
>> edit the report, if necessary. 
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow 
>> Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP 
>> Traffic Flow Information
>> Publication Date    : January 2008
>> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
>> Area                : Operations and Management
>> Stream              : IETF
>> Verifying Party     : IESG
>>
>>     

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Dan,

This correction makes sense.
Note: Paul and I discussed this one before posting the technical errata. ;-)

Regards, Benoit.
> Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?  
>
> Dan
>  
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
>> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); 
>> rbonica@juniper.net; n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz; quittek@netlab.nec.de
>> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
>> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
>>
>>
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101, 
>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) 
>> Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Technical
>> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
>>
>> Section: A.4.4.
>>
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>>    Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
>>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>>    Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
>>
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>>    Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    1                    | 345                 | 10201
>>    2                    | 690                 | 20402
>>
>> Notes
>> -----
>> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the 
>> template in A.4.3. 
>> Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be those defined in A.4.3.
>> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change 
>> is required.
>>
>> Instructions:
>> -------------
>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, 
>> please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be 
>> verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the 
>> verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and 
>> edit the report, if necessary. 
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow 
>> Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP 
>> Traffic Flow Information
>> Publication Date    : January 2008
>> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
>> Area                : Operations and Management
>> Stream              : IETF
>> Verifying Party     : IESG
>>
>>     

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Dan, all,

Have looked over this and agree, the correction makes sense.

Regards,

Brian

On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Dan,
>
> This correction makes sense.
> Note: Paul and I discussed this one before posting the technical  
> errata. ;-)
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>> Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] Sent:  
>>> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
>>> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net; n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz 
>>> ; quittek@netlab.nec.de
>>> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
>>> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
>>>
>>>
>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101,  
>>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol  
>>> for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> You may review the report below and at:
>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Type: Technical
>>> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
>>>
>>> Section: A.4.4.
>>>
>>> Original Text
>>> -------------
>>>   Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow  
>>> Records
>>>    
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>   Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>>>   Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
>>>
>>> Corrected Text
>>> --------------
>>>   Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>>>    
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>   1                    | 345                 | 10201
>>>   2                    | 690                 | 20402
>>>
>>> Notes
>>> -----
>>> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the  
>>> template in A.4.3. Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be  
>>> those defined in A.4.3.
>>> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change is  
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Instructions:
>>> -------------
>>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary,  
>>> please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or  
>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)  
>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information  
>>> Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow  
>>> Information
>>> Publication Date    : January 2008
>>> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
>>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
>>> Area                : Operations and Management
>>> Stream              : IETF
>>> Verifying Party     : IESG
>>>
>>>
>
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Dan, all,

Have looked over this and agree, the correction makes sense.

Regards,

Brian

On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Dan,
>
> This correction makes sense.
> Note: Paul and I discussed this one before posting the technical  
> errata. ;-)
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>> Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] Sent:  
>>> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
>>> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net; n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz 
>>> ; quittek@netlab.nec.de
>>> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
>>> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
>>>
>>>
>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101,  
>>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol  
>>> for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> You may review the report below and at:
>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Type: Technical
>>> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
>>>
>>> Section: A.4.4.
>>>
>>> Original Text
>>> -------------
>>>   Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow  
>>> Records
>>>    
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>   Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>>>   Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
>>>
>>> Corrected Text
>>> --------------
>>>   Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>>>    
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>   1                    | 345                 | 10201
>>>   2                    | 690                 | 20402
>>>
>>> Notes
>>> -----
>>> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the  
>>> template in A.4.3. Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be  
>>> those defined in A.4.3.
>>> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change is  
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Instructions:
>>> -------------
>>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary,  
>>> please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or  
>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)  
>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information  
>>> Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow  
>>> Information
>>> Publication Date    : January 2008
>>> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
>>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
>>> Area                : Operations and Management
>>> Stream              : IETF
>>> Verifying Party     : IESG
>>>
>>>
>
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Thanks, unless I hear any objection soon I will proceed and approve it. 

Dan
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Trammell [mailto:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Cc: IETF IPFIX Working Group; rbonica@juniper.net; Nevil 
> Brownlee; quittek@netlab.nec.de; RFC Errata System; Benoit Claise
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
> 
> Dan, all,
> 
> Have looked over this and agree, the correction makes sense.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
> 
> > Dan,
> >
> > This correction makes sense.
> > Note: Paul and I discussed this one before posting the technical 
> > errata. ;-)
> >
> > Regards, Benoit.
> >> Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] Sent:  
> >>> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
> >>> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net; 
> >>> n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz ; quittek@netlab.nec.de
> >>> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
> >>> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101, 
> >>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol 
> >>> for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> You may review the report below and at:
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> Type: Technical
> >>> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
> >>>
> >>> Section: A.4.4.
> >>>
> >>> Original Text
> >>> -------------
> >>>   Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow  
> >>> Records
> >>>    
> >>> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>   Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
> >>>   Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
> >>>
> >>> Corrected Text
> >>> --------------
> >>>   Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
> >>>    
> >>> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>   1                    | 345                 | 10201
> >>>   2                    | 690                 | 20402
> >>>
> >>> Notes
> >>> -----
> >>> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the 
> >>> template in A.4.3. Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 
> must be those 
> >>> defined in A.4.3.
> >>> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change is 
> >>> required.
> >>>
> >>> Instructions:
> >>> -------------
> >>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If 
> necessary, please 
> >>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or 
> >>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party 
> (IESG) can 
> >>> log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information  
> >>> Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow 
> >>> Information
> >>> Publication Date    : January 2008
> >>> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
> >>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> >>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
> >>> Area                : Operations and Management
> >>> Stream              : IETF
> >>> Verifying Party     : IESG
> >>>
> >>>
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Thanks, unless I hear any objection soon I will proceed and approve it. 

Dan
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Trammell [mailto:trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Cc: IETF IPFIX Working Group; rbonica@juniper.net; Nevil 
> Brownlee; quittek@netlab.nec.de; RFC Errata System; Benoit Claise
> Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
> 
> Dan, all,
> 
> Have looked over this and agree, the correction makes sense.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
> 
> > Dan,
> >
> > This correction makes sense.
> > Note: Paul and I discussed this one before posting the technical 
> > errata. ;-)
> >
> > Regards, Benoit.
> >> Authors and Chairs - what is your advice, please?
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] Sent:  
> >>> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:59 PM
> >>> To: bclaise@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net; 
> >>> n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz ; quittek@netlab.nec.de
> >>> Cc: paitken@cisco.com; ipfix@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
> >>> Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5101 (1655)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101, 
> >>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol 
> >>> for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> You may review the report below and at:
> >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> Type: Technical
> >>> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
> >>>
> >>> Section: A.4.4.
> >>>
> >>> Original Text
> >>> -------------
> >>>   Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow  
> >>> Records
> >>>    
> >>> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>   Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
> >>>   Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
> >>>
> >>> Corrected Text
> >>> --------------
> >>>   Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
> >>>    
> >>> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>   1                    | 345                 | 10201
> >>>   2                    | 690                 | 20402
> >>>
> >>> Notes
> >>> -----
> >>> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the 
> >>> template in A.4.3. Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 
> must be those 
> >>> defined in A.4.3.
> >>> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change is 
> >>> required.
> >>>
> >>> Instructions:
> >>> -------------
> >>> This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If 
> necessary, please 
> >>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or 
> >>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party 
> (IESG) can 
> >>> log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information  
> >>> Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow 
> >>> Information
> >>> Publication Date    : January 2008
> >>> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
> >>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> >>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
> >>> Area                : Operations and Management
> >>> Stream              : IETF
> >>> Verifying Party     : IESG
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101,
> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
> 
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
> 
> Section: A.4.4.
> 
> Original Text
> -------------
>    Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>    Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
> 
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    1                    | 345                 | 10201
>    2                    | 690                 | 20402
> 
> Notes
> -----
> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the template in A.4.3. 
> Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be those defined in A.4.3.
> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change is required.
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> --------------------------------------
> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information
> Publication Date    : January 2008
> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
> Area                : Operations and Management
> Stream              : IETF
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This seems to be the best way to initiate an IANA action to fix them
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After that (for registry errors in 'new' IEs), I think we should
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RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5101,
> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information".
> 
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5101&eid=1655
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@cisco.com>
> 
> Section: A.4.4.
> 
> Original Text
> -------------
>    Line Card ID               | IPFIX Message  | Exported Flow Records
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Line Card 1 (lineCardId=1) | 345            | 10201
>    Line Card 2 (lineCardId=2) | 690            | 20402
> 
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    Enterprise field 123 | exportedPacketCount | exportedFlowCount
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
>    1                    | 345                 | 10201
>    2                    | 690                 | 20402
> 
> Notes
> -----
> The example in A.4.4 uses set ID 260 which is defined in the template in A.4.3. 
> Therefore the fields used in A.4.4 must be those defined in A.4.3.
> Fortunately the field lengths are correct, so no other change is required.
> 
> Instructions:
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> 
> --------------------------------------
> RFC5101 (draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-26)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol for the Exchange of IP Traffic Flow Information
> Publication Date    : January 2008
> Author(s)           : B. Claise, Ed.
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
> Area                : Operations and Management
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG

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RFC5102 mentions in section 3.1 "Abstract Data Types"

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Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Greetings, Benoit, all,

Exporting-type already creates the Information Element Data Type  
subregistry, as we noticed this same issue (Abstract Data Types as in  
5101 and 5102 were not registered anywhere, and additions to the set  
were designated to be "by future extension"). Since we _did_ need a  
registry to represent types with numbers in IPFIX Options, we read the  
language in 5102 as requiring a standards action. exporting-type-02  
section 5 currently states:

IANA has created an Information Element Data Type subregistry for the  
values defined for the informationElementSemantics Information  
Element. Entries may be added to this subregistry subject to a  
Standards Action [RFC2434].

We specified this subregistry in this way because it was our intention  
to follow what we thought was the spirit of 5102 -- exporting-type  
allows the export of existing type information, not the extension of  
the type system's primitives. However, if it is the sense of the  
Working Group that it should be easier to add new ADTs, then we should  
discuss this in the scope of changes to section 5 of exporting-type.

I would caution against making it _too_ easy to add new ADTs, as each  
new ADT requires significant implementation at each protocol endpoint,  
and there are serious interoperability risks to supporting too many.  
The set that exists is a reasonably complete universal set of  
primitives as applicable to network traffic measurement, and there  
does exist a catchall ADT (0x00 octetArray) which can represent any  
other ADT (though with reduced flexibility).

Do you have an ADT in mind that's missing from the present set in 5102?

Best regards,

Brian

On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> IPFIX chairs,
>
> RFC5102 mentions in section 3.1 "Abstract Data Types"
>
>  This section describes the set of valid abstract data types of the
>  IPFIX information model.  Note that further abstract data types may
>  be specified by future extensions of the IPFIX information model.
>
> However, neither the IANA section from RFC5102 nor the one from  
> RFC5101 mentions how to do that?
> Do we have to go through the full process of having an internet  
> draft, accepted in the charter, then in the RFC-editor queue, for  
> IANA to create a abstract data types registry for IPFIX eventually?
>
> Regards, Benoit.
> _______________________________________________
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Errors-To: ipfix-bounces@ietf.org Greetings, Benoit, all,

Exporting-type already creates the Information Element Data Type  
subregistry, as we noticed this same issue (Abstract Data Types as in  
5101 and 5102 were not registered anywhere, and additions to the set  
were designated to be "by future extension"). Since we _did_ need a  
registry to represent types with numbers in IPFIX Options, we read the  
language in 5102 as requiring a standards action. exporting-type-02  
section 5 currently states:

IANA has created an Information Element Data Type subregistry for the  
values defined for the informationElementSemantics Information  
Element. Entries may be added to this subregistry subject to a  
Standards Action [RFC2434].

We specified this subregistry in this way because it was our intention  
to follow what we thought was the spirit of 5102 -- exporting-type  
allows the export of existing type information, not the extension of  
the type system's primitives. However, if it is the sense of the  
Working Group that it should be easier to add new ADTs, then we should  
discuss this in the scope of changes to section 5 of exporting-type.

I would caution against making it _too_ easy to add new ADTs, as each  
new ADT requires significant implementation at each protocol endpoint,  
and there are serious interoperability risks to supporting too many.  
The set that exists is a reasonably complete universal set of  
primitives as applicable to network traffic measurement, and there  
does exist a catchall ADT (0x00 octetArray) which can represent any  
other ADT (though with reduced flexibility).

Do you have an ADT in mind that's missing from the present set in 5102?

Best regards,

Brian

On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> IPFIX chairs,
>
> RFC5102 mentions in section 3.1 "Abstract Data Types"
>
>  This section describes the set of valid abstract data types of the
>  IPFIX information model.  Note that further abstract data types may
>  be specified by future extensions of the IPFIX information model.
>
> However, neither the IANA section from RFC5102 nor the one from  
> RFC5101 mentions how to do that?
> Do we have to go through the full process of having an internet  
> draft, accepted in the charter, then in the RFC-editor queue, for  
> IANA to create a abstract data types registry for IPFIX eventually?
>
> Regards, Benoit.
> _______________________________________________
> IPFIX mailing list
> IPFIX@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix

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Dear all,

 From the last IPFIX meeting minutes at 
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/ipfix.txt, there was only 
a single concern regarding the draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream 
draft after the WGLC:

    - draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-00
    ============================================
    Benoit:
    WGLC finished.
    Clarifications on the interaction with RFC5101.
    Only one opern issues left: There is a normative reference to 
    SCTP-RESET draft (draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt) from the 
    Transport WG. This ID describes allows the addition of streams within 
    an existing SCTP association as this functionality is required.

    Dan (AD): 
    This draft cannot be a normative reference as long as it is
    not adopted by a the TSVWG. Suggestion: describe the mechanism in the 
    normative part of the text and add an informative reference to the 
    SCTP-RESET document. Once the document is included in the Transport WG 
    charter it can be used as a normative reference. 

    Juergen:
    Authors of draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt should review the 
    inserted text.
      

A new version of the draft has been posted, which addresses this issue. 
Obviously the authors from draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt were 
involved in the process.
This draft can now move to the next step towards RFC...

Regards, Benoit.

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Dear all,<br>
<br>
>From the last IPFIX meeting minutes at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href="http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/ipfix.txt:">http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/ipfix.txt</a>,
there was only a single concern regarding the
draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream draft after the WGLC:
<blockquote>
  <pre>- draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-00
============================================
Benoit:
WGLC finished.
Clarifications on the interaction with RFC5101.
Only one opern issues left: There is a normative reference to 
SCTP-RESET draft (draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt) from the 
Transport WG. This ID describes allows the addition of streams within 
an existing SCTP association as this functionality is required.

Dan (AD): 
This draft cannot be a normative reference as long as it is
not adopted by a the TSVWG. Suggestion: describe the mechanism in the 
normative part of the text and add an informative reference to the 
SCTP-RESET document. Once the document is included in the Transport WG 
charter it can be used as a normative reference. 

Juergen:
Authors of draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt should review the 
inserted text.
  </pre>
</blockquote>
A new version of the draft has been posted, which addresses this issue.
Obviously the authors from draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt were
involved in the process.<br>
This draft can now move to the next step towards RFC...<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit.<br>
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Dear all,

 From the last IPFIX meeting minutes at 
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/ipfix.txt, there was only 
a single concern regarding the draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream 
draft after the WGLC:

    - draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-00
    ============================================
    Benoit:
    WGLC finished.
    Clarifications on the interaction with RFC5101.
    Only one opern issues left: There is a normative reference to 
    SCTP-RESET draft (draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt) from the 
    Transport WG. This ID describes allows the addition of streams within 
    an existing SCTP association as this functionality is required.

    Dan (AD): 
    This draft cannot be a normative reference as long as it is
    not adopted by a the TSVWG. Suggestion: describe the mechanism in the 
    normative part of the text and add an informative reference to the 
    SCTP-RESET document. Once the document is included in the Transport WG 
    charter it can be used as a normative reference. 

    Juergen:
    Authors of draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt should review the 
    inserted text.
      

A new version of the draft has been posted, which addresses this issue. 
Obviously the authors from draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt were 
involved in the process.
This draft can now move to the next step towards RFC...

Regards, Benoit.

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Dear all,<br>
<br>
>From the last IPFIX meeting minutes at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href="http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/ipfix.txt:">http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/ipfix.txt</a>,
there was only a single concern regarding the
draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream draft after the WGLC:
<blockquote>
  <pre>- draft-ietf-ipfix-export-per-sctp-stream-00
============================================
Benoit:
WGLC finished.
Clarifications on the interaction with RFC5101.
Only one opern issues left: There is a normative reference to 
SCTP-RESET draft (draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt) from the 
Transport WG. This ID describes allows the addition of streams within 
an existing SCTP association as this functionality is required.

Dan (AD): 
This draft cannot be a normative reference as long as it is
not adopted by a the TSVWG. Suggestion: describe the mechanism in the 
normative part of the text and add an informative reference to the 
SCTP-RESET document. Once the document is included in the Transport WG 
charter it can be used as a normative reference. 

Juergen:
Authors of draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt should review the 
inserted text.
  </pre>
</blockquote>
A new version of the draft has been posted, which addresses this issue.
Obviously the authors from draft-stewart-tsvwg-sctpstrrst-00.txt were
involved in the process.<br>
This draft can now move to the next step towards RFC...<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit.<br>
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Great. I overlooked the IANA section of your draft.

Regards, Benoit.
> Greetings, Benoit, all,
>
> Exporting-type already creates the Information Element Data Type 
> subregistry, as we noticed this same issue (Abstract Data Types as in 
> 5101 and 5102 were not registered anywhere, and additions to the set 
> were designated to be "by future extension"). Since we _did_ need a 
> registry to represent types with numbers in IPFIX Options, we read the 
> language in 5102 as requiring a standards action. exporting-type-02 
> section 5 currently states:
>
> IANA has created an Information Element Data Type subregistry for the 
> values defined for the informationElementSemantics Information 
> Element. Entries may be added to this subregistry subject to a 
> Standards Action [RFC2434].
>
> We specified this subregistry in this way because it was our intention 
> to follow what we thought was the spirit of 5102 -- exporting-type 
> allows the export of existing type information, not the extension of 
> the type system's primitives. However, if it is the sense of the 
> Working Group that it should be easier to add new ADTs, then we should 
> discuss this in the scope of changes to section 5 of exporting-type.
>
> I would caution against making it _too_ easy to add new ADTs, as each 
> new ADT requires significant implementation at each protocol endpoint, 
> and there are serious interoperability risks to supporting too many. 
> The set that exists is a reasonably complete universal set of 
> primitives as applicable to network traffic measurement, and there 
> does exist a catchall ADT (0x00 octetArray) which can represent any 
> other ADT (though with reduced flexibility).
>
> Do you have an ADT in mind that's missing from the present set in 5102?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
>> IPFIX chairs,
>>
>> RFC5102 mentions in section 3.1 "Abstract Data Types"
>>
>>  This section describes the set of valid abstract data types of the
>>  IPFIX information model.  Note that further abstract data types may
>>  be specified by future extensions of the IPFIX information model.
>>
>> However, neither the IANA section from RFC5102 nor the one from 
>> RFC5101 mentions how to do that?
>> Do we have to go through the full process of having an internet 
>> draft, accepted in the charter, then in the RFC-editor queue, for 
>> IANA to create a abstract data types registry for IPFIX eventually?
>>
>> Regards, Benoit.
>> _______________________________________________
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Great. I overlooked the IANA section of your draft.

Regards, Benoit.
> Greetings, Benoit, all,
>
> Exporting-type already creates the Information Element Data Type 
> subregistry, as we noticed this same issue (Abstract Data Types as in 
> 5101 and 5102 were not registered anywhere, and additions to the set 
> were designated to be "by future extension"). Since we _did_ need a 
> registry to represent types with numbers in IPFIX Options, we read the 
> language in 5102 as requiring a standards action. exporting-type-02 
> section 5 currently states:
>
> IANA has created an Information Element Data Type subregistry for the 
> values defined for the informationElementSemantics Information 
> Element. Entries may be added to this subregistry subject to a 
> Standards Action [RFC2434].
>
> We specified this subregistry in this way because it was our intention 
> to follow what we thought was the spirit of 5102 -- exporting-type 
> allows the export of existing type information, not the extension of 
> the type system's primitives. However, if it is the sense of the 
> Working Group that it should be easier to add new ADTs, then we should 
> discuss this in the scope of changes to section 5 of exporting-type.
>
> I would caution against making it _too_ easy to add new ADTs, as each 
> new ADT requires significant implementation at each protocol endpoint, 
> and there are serious interoperability risks to supporting too many. 
> The set that exists is a reasonably complete universal set of 
> primitives as applicable to network traffic measurement, and there 
> does exist a catchall ADT (0x00 octetArray) which can represent any 
> other ADT (though with reduced flexibility).
>
> Do you have an ADT in mind that's missing from the present set in 5102?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
>> IPFIX chairs,
>>
>> RFC5102 mentions in section 3.1 "Abstract Data Types"
>>
>>  This section describes the set of valid abstract data types of the
>>  IPFIX information model.  Note that further abstract data types may
>>  be specified by future extensions of the IPFIX information model.
>>
>> However, neither the IANA section from RFC5102 nor the one from 
>> RFC5101 mentions how to do that?
>> Do we have to go through the full process of having an internet 
>> draft, accepted in the charter, then in the RFC-editor queue, for 
>> IANA to create a abstract data types registry for IPFIX eventually?
>>
>> Regards, Benoit.
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPFIX mailing list
>> IPFIX@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix

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