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The IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) working group in the Operations 
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Thank you to everyone, for a job well done.

we have one remaining document which I am happy to AD sponsor when the
authors are ready.

joel

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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5655,
"Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format".

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5655&eid=4306

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Type: Technical
Reported by: Wayne Tackabury <wtackabury@us.ibm.com>

Section: A.5

Original Text
-------------
   224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 18 00 3E
           [ message checksum record ^ -->
   240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00

   256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01



Corrected Text
--------------
   224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 16 00 3E
           [ message checksum record ^ -->
   240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00

   256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01



Notes
-----
First of all, note that per erratum #2030, the offsets in this whole section are wrong, it should begin (I think) at 192.  I shall use the published (incorrect) offset for illuminating this point:

I believe the byte at #237 should be 0x16 and not 0x18.  I suspect this checksum was copy-pasted from a prior instance in the example, where there were three pad bytes added to the data record for #259 (0x103).    In this instance, there is only one pad byte at #255, hence the offset here should be two less (22 or 0x16 and not 24 or 0x18): 

  2 bytes set ID
  2 bytes length
  1 byte option data
 16 bytes checksum data
  1 byte pad (at #255)

 ...totalling 22. Thanks!

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RFC5655 (draft-ietf-ipfix-file-05)
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Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format
Publication Date    : October 2009
Author(s)           : B. Trammell, E. Boschi, L. Mark, T. Zseby, A. Wagner
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : IP Flow Information Export
Area                : Operations and Management
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[-RFC Editor]

I checked the figure and agree with Wayne: the byte should be 0x16 
because there's only one padding octet, not three.

P.


On 19/03/15 18:08, RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5655,
> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5655&eid=4306
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Wayne Tackabury <wtackabury@us.ibm.com>
>
> Section: A.5
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>     224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 18 00 3E
>             [ message checksum record ^ -->
>     240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00
>
>     256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01
>
>
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>     224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 16 00 3E
>             [ message checksum record ^ -->
>     240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00
>
>     256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01
>
>
>
> Notes
> -----
> First of all, note that per erratum #2030, the offsets in this whole section are wrong, it should begin (I think) at 192.  I shall use the published (incorrect) offset for illuminating this point:
>
> I believe the byte at #237 should be 0x16 and not 0x18.  I suspect this checksum was copy-pasted from a prior instance in the example, where there were three pad bytes added to the data record for #259 (0x103).    In this instance, there is only one pad byte at #255, hence the offset here should be two less (22 or 0x16 and not 24 or 0x18):
>
>    2 bytes set ID
>    2 bytes length
>    1 byte option data
>   16 bytes checksum data
>    1 byte pad (at #255)
>
>   ...totalling 22. Thanks!
>
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> RFC5655 (draft-ietf-ipfix-file-05)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format
> Publication Date    : October 2009
> Author(s)           : B. Trammell, E. Boschi, L. Mark, T. Zseby, A. Wagner
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
> Area                : Operations and Management
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Thanks Paul,

I'll accept it.

Regards, Benoit
> [-RFC Editor]
>
> I checked the figure and agree with Wayne: the byte should be 0x16 
> because there's only one padding octet, not three.
>
> P.
>
>
> On 19/03/15 18:08, RFC Errata System wrote:
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5655,
>> "Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format".
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5655&eid=4306
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Technical
>> Reported by: Wayne Tackabury <wtackabury@us.ibm.com>
>>
>> Section: A.5
>>
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>>     224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 18 00 3E
>>             [ message checksum record ^ -->
>>     240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00
>>
>>     256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01
>>
>>
>>
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>>     224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 16 00 3E
>>             [ message checksum record ^ -->
>>     240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00
>>
>>     256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes
>> -----
>> First of all, note that per erratum #2030, the offsets in this whole 
>> section are wrong, it should begin (I think) at 192.  I shall use the 
>> published (incorrect) offset for illuminating this point:
>>
>> I believe the byte at #237 should be 0x16 and not 0x18.  I suspect 
>> this checksum was copy-pasted from a prior instance in the example, 
>> where there were three pad bytes added to the data record for #259 
>> (0x103).    In this instance, there is only one pad byte at #255, 
>> hence the offset here should be two less (22 or 0x16 and not 24 or 
>> 0x18):
>>
>>    2 bytes set ID
>>    2 bytes length
>>    1 byte option data
>>   16 bytes checksum data
>>    1 byte pad (at #255)
>>
>>   ...totalling 22. Thanks!
>>
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>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC5655 (draft-ietf-ipfix-file-05)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export 
>> (IPFIX) File Format
>> Publication Date    : October 2009
>> Author(s)           : B. Trammell, E. Boschi, L. Mark, T. Zseby, A. 
>> Wagner
>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>> Source              : IP Flow Information Export
>> Area                : Operations and Management
>> Stream              : IETF
>> Verifying Party     : IESG
>>
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The following errata report has been verified for RFC5655,
"Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format". 

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5655&eid=4306

--------------------------------------
Status: Verified
Type: Technical

Reported by: Wayne Tackabury <wtackabury@us.ibm.com>
Date Reported: 2015-03-19
Verified by: Benoit Claise (IESG)

Section: A.5

Original Text
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   224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 18 00 3E
           [ message checksum record ^ -->
   240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00

   256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01



Corrected Text
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   224: 0A 47 0A B6 E5 47 0C 07 48 00|01 03 00 16 00 3E
           [ message checksum record ^ -->
   240: 2B 37 08 CE B2 0E 30 11 32 12 4A 5F E3 AD DB 00

   256:|00 0A 05 10 47 0A B6 E5 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 01



Notes
-----
First of all, note that per erratum #2030, the offsets in this whole section are wrong, it should begin (I think) at 192.  I shall use the published (incorrect) offset for illuminating this point:

I believe the byte at #237 should be 0x16 and not 0x18.  I suspect this checksum was copy-pasted from a prior instance in the example, where there were three pad bytes added to the data record for #259 (0x103).    In this instance, there is only one pad byte at #255, hence the offset here should be two less (22 or 0x16 and not 24 or 0x18): 

  2 bytes set ID
  2 bytes length
  1 byte option data
 16 bytes checksum data
  1 byte pad (at #255)

 ...totalling 22. Thanks!

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RFC5655 (draft-ietf-ipfix-file-05)
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Title               : Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format
Publication Date    : October 2009
Author(s)           : B. Trammell, E. Boschi, L. Mark, T. Zseby, A. Wagner
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : IP Flow Information Export
Area                : Operations and Management
Stream              : IETF
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5655,
"Specification of the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) File Format".

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Paul Aitken <paitken@brocade.com>

Section: A.5

Original Text
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A.5.  Complete File Example

   Bringing together the examples above and adding message headers as
   appropriate, a hex dump of the first 317 bytes of the example File
   constructed above would appear as in the annotated Figure 10 below.

Corrected Text
--------------
A.5.  Complete File Example

   Bringing together the examples above and adding message headers as
   appropriate, a hex dump of the first 285 bytes of the example File
   constructed above would appear as in the annotated Figure 10 below.

Notes
-----
s/317/285/

Figure 10 shows 18 lines of 16 octets each, less three octets in the final row.
(18 x 16 - 3) = 285 octets.

This can also be confirmed by the revised numbering in errata 2030 - though note that the dump is numbered from octet zero:

272: 80 02 00 50 06 00 00 46 50 00 00 00 41

Since the offset of the final octet ("41") is 284, the overall length must be 285.

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Dear all,

Thanks to all of you who have been participating to the existing IPFIX 
journey, and thanks to Jürgen and Nevil for driving this.
Look at the produced set of specifications at 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ipfix/documents/. Great achievement.

Regards, Benoit

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The IP Flow Information Export (ipfix) working group in the Operations
and Management Area has concluded. The IESG contact persons are Benoit
Claise and Joel Jaeggli.

The mailing list will remain open.





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Hi Andrew, all,

thank you for your explanation regarding nprobe.

However, we also need a fallback for unknown exporters with IEs > 2^15. The
generic requests for PENs need organization name, contact name and email
address. I can try to request the PEN for NetFlow v9 compatibility myself,
but I'd like it to be more public. Therefore, I suggest to complete the
request with something like:
*Organization Name*: NetFlow v9 to IPFIX
*Contact Name*: IPFIX WG
*Contact E-Mail: *ipfix@ietf.org

This is just a first proposal to get things moving, please add your
thoughts. Once the PEN is granted, we can move forward and explain its
purpose in a short RFC.

Petr

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Andrew Feren <andrewf@plixer.com> wrote:

>  Hi Petr,
>
> On 01/06/2015 07:03 AM, Petr Velan wrote:
>
>     Hello all,
>
>  I'm not sure whether this is the right place to ask, but we encountered
> following problem when converting NetFlow v9 messages to IPFIX.
>
>  Some vendors (I've heard of ntop) are using elements IDs large than 32767
> in NetFlow v9. When converting messages with these elements to IPFIX, they
> are considered to be Enterprise Numbers. To generate proper IPFIX message,
> we need to do one of the following:
>  a) Generate a list of the elements and map them to PEN of the correct
> vendor. However, this would result in an attempt to cover all possible
> elements that anybody used in NetFlow v9. Moreover, we would still have to
> somehow handle the cases where the element is unknown
>
> This should help with ntop/nprobe
>
> Recent versions of nprobe (since version 5.5.5 I think) all use the
> following mapping.
>
> PEN = 35632 and IPFIXID = (v9ID - 57472)
>
> For example, one v9 IE that nprobe exports is MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION 57667.
> The IPFIX equivalent would be
> MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION(35632/195).
>
> The nprobe docs have a complete list.
>
> Older versions of nprobe (pre ~2010) use IEs not in RFC 3954, but later
> allocated in IANA.  There is no good way to convert those v9 exports to
> IPFIX.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
>   b) Request a PEN for NetFlow compatibility and just add this PEN for
> every element that has ID larger than 32767.
>
>  Personally, I believe that the b) is more general and error-prone. Do you
> think, that it would be possible to dedicate whole PEN to this cause?
>
>  Thank you for any opinions,
>
> Petr Velan
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi Andrew, all,<br><br></div>thank you for your =
explanation regarding nprobe. <br><br>However, we also need a fallback for =
unknown exporters with IEs &gt; 2^15. The generic requests for PENs need or=
ganization name, contact name and email address. I can try to request the P=
EN for NetFlow v9 compatibility myself, but I&#39;d like it to be more publ=
ic. Therefore, I suggest to complete the request with something like:<br><s=
trong>Organization Name</strong>: NetFlow v9 to IPFIX<br><strong>Contact Na=
me</strong>: IPFIX WG<br><strong>Contact E-Mail: </strong><a href=3D"mailto=
:ipfix@ietf.org">ipfix@ietf.org</a><br><br></div><div>This is just a first =
proposal to get things moving, please add your thoughts. Once the PEN is gr=
anted, we can move forward and explain its purpose in a short RFC. <br><br>=
</div><div>Petr<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Andrew Feren <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrewf@plixer.com" target=3D"_blank">andrewf@plixe=
r.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
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   =20
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    <div>Hi Petr,<span class=3D""><br>
      <br>
      On 01/06/2015 07:03 AM, Petr Velan wrote:<br>
    </span></div><span class=3D"">
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>Hello all,<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    I&#39;m not sure whether this is the right place to ask=
,
                    but we encountered following problem when converting
                    NetFlow v9 messages to IPFIX.<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  Some vendors (I&#39;ve heard of ntop) are using elements
                  IDs large than 32767 in NetFlow v9. When converting
                  messages with these elements to IPFIX, they are
                  considered to be Enterprise Numbers. To generate
                  proper IPFIX message, we need to do one of the
                  following:<br>
                </div>
                a) Generate a list of the elements and map them to PEN
                of the correct vendor. However, this would result in an
                attempt to cover all possible elements that anybody used
                in NetFlow v9. Moreover, we would still have to somehow
                handle the cases where the element is unknown<br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></span>
    This should help with ntop/nprobe<br>
    <br>
    Recent versions of nprobe (since version 5.5.5 I think) all use the
    following mapping.<br>
    <br>
    PEN =3D 35632 and IPFIXID =3D (v9ID - 57472)<br>
    <br>
    For example, one v9 IE that nprobe exports is MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION
    57667.=C2=A0 The IPFIX equivalent would be<br>
    MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION(35632/195).<br>
    <br>
    The nprobe docs have a complete list.<br>
    <br>
    Older versions of nprobe (pre ~2010) use IEs not in RFC 3954, but
    later allocated in IANA.=C2=A0 There is no good way to convert those v9
    exports to IPFIX.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
    <br>
    -Andrew<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    </font></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>b) Request a PEN for NetFlow compatibility and just add
              this PEN for every element that has ID larger than 32767.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Personally, I believe that the b) is more general and
            error-prone. Do you think, that it would be possible to
            dedicate whole PEN to this cause?<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          Thank you for any opinions,<br>
        </div>
        <br>
        Petr Velan<br>
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
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Petr,

You should write an RFC (well, start with a draft) which explains the 
proposal and requests the PEN from IANA.

Since the IPFIX WG is now closed, such a draft must be AD sponsored by Joel.

P.


On 26/03/15 07:14, Petr Velan wrote:
> Hi Andrew, all,
>
> thank you for your explanation regarding nprobe.
>
> However, we also need a fallback for unknown exporters with IEs > 
> 2^15. The generic requests for PENs need organization name, contact 
> name and email address. I can try to request the PEN for NetFlow v9 
> compatibility myself, but I'd like it to be more public. Therefore, I 
> suggest to complete the request with something like:
> *Organization Name*: NetFlow v9 to IPFIX
> *Contact Name*: IPFIX WG
> *Contact E-Mail: *ipfix@ietf.org <mailto:ipfix@ietf.org>
>
> This is just a first proposal to get things moving, please add your 
> thoughts. Once the PEN is granted, we can move forward and explain its 
> purpose in a short RFC.
>
> Petr
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Andrew Feren <andrewf@plixer.com 
> <mailto:andrewf@plixer.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Petr,
>
>     On 01/06/2015 07:03 AM, Petr Velan wrote:
>>     Hello all,
>>
>>     I'm not sure whether this is the right place to ask, but we
>>     encountered following problem when converting NetFlow v9 messages
>>     to IPFIX.
>>
>>     Some vendors (I've heard of ntop) are using elements IDs large
>>     than 32767 in NetFlow v9. When converting messages with these
>>     elements to IPFIX, they are considered to be Enterprise Numbers.
>>     To generate proper IPFIX message, we need to do one of the following:
>>     a) Generate a list of the elements and map them to PEN of the
>>     correct vendor. However, this would result in an attempt to cover
>>     all possible elements that anybody used in NetFlow v9. Moreover,
>>     we would still have to somehow handle the cases where the element
>>     is unknown
>     This should help with ntop/nprobe
>
>     Recent versions of nprobe (since version 5.5.5 I think) all use
>     the following mapping.
>
>     PEN = 35632 and IPFIXID = (v9ID - 57472)
>
>     For example, one v9 IE that nprobe exports is MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION
>     57667.  The IPFIX equivalent would be
>     MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION(35632/195).
>
>     The nprobe docs have a complete list.
>
>     Older versions of nprobe (pre ~2010) use IEs not in RFC 3954, but
>     later allocated in IANA.  There is no good way to convert those v9
>     exports to IPFIX.
>
>     -Andrew
>
>
>>     b) Request a PEN for NetFlow compatibility and just add this PEN
>>     for every element that has ID larger than 32767.
>>
>>     Personally, I believe that the b) is more general and
>>     error-prone. Do you think, that it would be possible to dedicate
>>     whole PEN to this cause?
>>
>>     Thank you for any opinions,
>>
>>     Petr Velan
>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     IPFIX mailing list
>>     IPFIX@ietf.org  <mailto:IPFIX@ietf.org>
>>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix
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    Petr,<br>
    <br>
    You should write an RFC (well, start with a draft) which explains
    the proposal and requests the PEN from IANA.<br>
    <br>
    Since the IPFIX WG is now closed, such a draft must be AD sponsored
    by Joel.<br>
    <br>
    P.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/03/15 07:14, Petr Velan wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CALbOe5M8VtTLANGZDUG=bQH-z6eKLK7ckTPTUY0AueX_ioUs1Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>Hi Andrew, all,<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          thank you for your explanation regarding nprobe. <br>
          <br>
          However, we also need a fallback for unknown exporters with
          IEs &gt; 2^15. The generic requests for PENs need organization
          name, contact name and email address. I can try to request the
          PEN for NetFlow v9 compatibility myself, but I'd like it to be
          more public. Therefore, I suggest to complete the request with
          something like:<br>
          <strong>Organization Name</strong>: NetFlow v9 to IPFIX<br>
          <strong>Contact Name</strong>: IPFIX WG<br>
          <strong>Contact E-Mail: </strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:ipfix@ietf.org">ipfix@ietf.org</a><br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>This is just a first proposal to get things moving, please
          add your thoughts. Once the PEN is granted, we can move
          forward and explain its purpose in a short RFC. <br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>Petr<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Andrew
          Feren <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div>Hi Petr,<span class=""><br>
                  <br>
                  On 01/06/2015 07:03 AM, Petr Velan wrote:<br>
                </span></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div>Hello all,<br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                I'm not sure whether this is the right
                                place to ask, but we encountered
                                following problem when converting
                                NetFlow v9 messages to IPFIX.<br>
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                              Some vendors (I've heard of ntop) are
                              using elements IDs large than 32767 in
                              NetFlow v9. When converting messages with
                              these elements to IPFIX, they are
                              considered to be Enterprise Numbers. To
                              generate proper IPFIX message, we need to
                              do one of the following:<br>
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                            a) Generate a list of the elements and map
                            them to PEN of the correct vendor. However,
                            this would result in an attempt to cover all
                            possible elements that anybody used in
                            NetFlow v9. Moreover, we would still have to
                            somehow handle the cases where the element
                            is unknown<br>
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              </span> This should help with ntop/nprobe<br>
              <br>
              Recent versions of nprobe (since version 5.5.5 I think)
              all use the following mapping.<br>
              <br>
              PEN = 35632 and IPFIXID = (v9ID - 57472)<br>
              <br>
              For example, one v9 IE that nprobe exports is
              MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION 57667.  The IPFIX equivalent would be<br>
              MYSQL_SERVER_VERSION(35632/195).<br>
              <br>
              The nprobe docs have a complete list.<br>
              <br>
              Older versions of nprobe (pre ~2010) use IEs not in RFC
              3954, but later allocated in IANA.  There is no good way
              to convert those v9 exports to IPFIX.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                  -Andrew<br>
                  <br>
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                        <div>b) Request a PEN for NetFlow compatibility
                          and just add this PEN for every element that
                          has ID larger than 32767.<br>
                          <br>
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                        Personally, I believe that the b) is more
                        general and error-prone. Do you think, that it
                        would be possible to dedicate whole PEN to this
                        cause?<br>
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                      Thank you for any opinions,<br>
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                    <br>
                    Petr Velan<br>
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