From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Nov 1 12:40:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A1B1F0CDF for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ly4FU1QAr6ch for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CECD1F0CDB for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E857953C; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from EEAEX01.us.epson.net (eeaex01.eea.epson.com [12.9.144.164]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347037953A for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EEAEX02.us.epson.net ([148.130.64.7]) by EEAEX01.us.epson.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:37:59 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:37:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Please explain the use of "preferred" attributes Thread-Index: AcyYzb+iWKJBOaWLScyPN47KjgH18g== From: "Petrie, Glen" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2011 19:37:59.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[C335EAB0:01CC98CD] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] Please explain the use of "preferred" attributes X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1642204747==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 85E857953C.AA264 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1642204747== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC98CD.C2D06438" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC98CD.C2D06438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013 =20 In Section 6.4 I don't understand the idea of "... the Printer would prefer to use". Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values? While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the capability information; what does it mean when the printer has "copies-preferred" (section 5.3.2) - does this mean the User wants 3 copies but the Printer prefers to only print 2 !!! Very Strange. There could be a concept of "recommended" attributes that would apply to a very small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the User in such a way as to identify it as "recommended". * The same comment applies to almost all the other "preferred" attributes.=20 =20 Glen =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC98CD.C2D06438 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013

 

In Section 6.4 I don’t understand the idea of &#= 8220;… the Printer would prefer to use”.  Does this the Printer will ov= erride Job Ticket values?   While, the printer has limitation or constra= ints which are reported in the capability information; what does it mean when the printer = has “copies-preferred” (section 5.3.2) – does this mean the User wants 3 copies but the Prin= ter prefers to only print 2 !!!  Very Strange.   There could be a concep= t of “recommended” attributes that would apply to a very small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the User in such a way as to identif= y it as “recommended”.

n      The same comment applies= to almost all the other “preferred” attributes. =

 

Glen

 

 


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Ops, I forgot to address the mail no= te to you specifically and copy the ipp list.  I was hoping you help with= the answer.

 

Glen

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, = 2011 12:38 PM
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Subject: [IPP] Please explai= n the use of "preferred" attributes

 

Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013

 

In Section 6.4 I don’t understand the idea of “… the Printer would prefer to use”.  Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values?   While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the capability information; what does it mean when the printer has “copies-preferred” (sect= ion 5.3.2) – does this mean the User wants 3 copies but the Printer prefe= rs to only print 2 !!!  Very Strange.   There could be a concep= t of “recommended” attributes that would apply to a very small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the User in such a way as to identify it as “recommended”.

n      The same comment applies= to almost all the other “preferred” attributes. =

 

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That is, if you specify duplex printing on transparency med= ia, the printer could return sides-preferred with "one-sided" or media-col-= preferred with a media-type other than transparency to tell the client that= it will print the job differently than requested. In the case of attributes like "copies", a printer may normally support up = to (for example) 999 copies for uncollated output, but may only support 99 = copies for collated output. Or the printer may not be able to support copi= es for a given document or document format. In short, previously all the client has known is that particular attributes= or values were not supported (or conflicted), but not what attributes woul= d be used by the printer instead (typically the default values). On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013 >=20=20 > In Section 6.4 I don=92t understand the idea of =93=85 the Printer would = prefer to use=94. Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values? = While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the= capability information; what does it mean when the printer has =93copies-p= referred=94 (section 5.3.2) =96 does this mean the User wants 3 copies but = the Printer prefers to only print 2 !!! Very Strange. There could be a c= oncept of =93recommended=94 attributes that would apply to a very small set= of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the Us= er in such a way as to identify it as =93recommended=94. > n The same comment applies to almost all the other =93preferred=94 a= ttributes. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_7VZ9dZKkabRzTrOyjdRMfw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Glen,

The semantic definition is that the Printer may r= eturn substituted values for unsupported attributes in a Create-Job, Print-= Job, Print-URI, or Validate-Job response. That is, if you specify duplex pr= inting on transparency media, the printer could return sides-preferred with= "one-sided" or media-col-preferred with a media-type other than transparen= cy to tell the client that it will print the job differently than requested= .

In the case of attributes like "copies", a print= er may normally support up to (for example) 999 copies for uncollated outpu= t, but may only support 99 copies for collated output.  Or the printer= may not be able to support copies for a given document or document format.=

In short, previously all the client has known is = that particular attributes or values were not supported (or conflicted), bu= t not what attributes would be used by the printer instead (typically the d= efault values).


On Nov 1,= 2011, at 12:37 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013
 
In Sec= tion 6.4 I don=92t understand the idea of =93=85 the Printer would prefer t= o use=94.  Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values? = ;  While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported= in the capability information; what does it mean when the printer has =93c= opies-preferred=94 (section 5.3.2) =96 does this mean the User wants 3 copi= es but the Printer prefers to only print 2 !!!  Very Strange. &nb= sp; There could be a concept of =93recommended=94 attributes that would app= ly to a very small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would = be presented to the User in such a way as to identify it as =93recommended= =94.
n     = ; T= he same comment applies to almost all the other =93preferred=94 attributes.=
 
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Unless, I missed it, there should a similar explanation in the specification; so that people writing clients will understand the rational when using the preferred capability. =20 =20 In your first statement, you state that the "printer could" versus the "printer will"; therefore, I assume the ""use"" of "preferred" is optional and that the client could return an invalid job for your example. So, is the User in control of whether they want a printer to use "preferred" value. I assume the Print Client could respond to difference in the sent and returned job ticket in various ways (and mostly likely should). Can the Print Client tell the printer not to use preferred values even if the printer supports preferred values? =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:38 PM To: Petrie, Glen Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Please explain the use of "preferred" attributes =20 Glen, =20 The semantic definition is that the Printer may return substituted values for unsupported attributes in a Create-Job, Print-Job, Print-URI, or Validate-Job response. That is, if you specify duplex printing on transparency media, the printer could return sides-preferred with "one-sided" or media-col-preferred with a media-type other than transparency to tell the client that it will print the job differently than requested. =20 In the case of attributes like "copies", a printer may normally support up to (for example) 999 copies for uncollated output, but may only support 99 copies for collated output. Or the printer may not be able to support copies for a given document or document format. =20 In short, previously all the client has known is that particular attributes or values were not supported (or conflicted), but not what attributes would be used by the printer instead (typically the default values). =20 =20 On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013 =20 In Section 6.4 I don't understand the idea of "... the Printer would prefer to use". Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values? While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the capability information; what does it mean when the printer has "copies-preferred" (section 5.3.2) - does this mean the User wants 3 copies but the Printer prefers to only print 2 !!! Very Strange. There could be a concept of "recommended" attributes that would apply to a very small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the User in such a way as to identify it as "recommended". * The same comment applies to almost all the other "preferred" attributes. =20 Glen =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC98E8.B6253B18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for explanation, it helps.&nb= sp; Unless, I missed it, there should a similar explanation in the specificatio= n; so that people writing clients will understand the rational when using the = preferred capability.

 

 

In your first statement, you state t= hat the “printer could” versus the “printer will”; therefore, I assume the “”use”” of “preferred= ” is optional and that the client could return an invalid job for your example.    So, is the User in control of whether they want a printer to use “preferred” value.  I assume the Print Clie= nt could respond to difference in the sent and returned job ticket in various = ways (and mostly likely should).  Can the Print Client tell the printer not= to use preferred values even if the printer supports preferred values?

 

Glen

 

 

From: Michael = Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
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Glen,

 

The semantic definition is that the Printer may return substituted values for unsupported attributes in a Create-Job, Print-Job, Print-URI, or Validate-Job response. That is, if you specify duplex printing on transpare= ncy media, the printer could return sides-preferred with "one-sided" = or media-col-preferred with a media-type other than transparency to tell the client that it will print the job differently than requested.

 

In the case of attributes like "copies", a printer may normally support up to (for example) 999 copies for uncollated output, but = may only support 99 copies for collated output.  Or the printer may not be able to support copies for a given document or document format.<= /span>

 

In short, previously all the client has known is that particular attributes or values were not supported (or conflicted), but not what attributes would be used by the printer instead (typically the default valu= es).

 

 

On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<= /font>



Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013

 

In Section 6.4 I don’t understand the idea of “… the Printer would prefer to use”.  Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values?   While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the capability information; what does it mean when the printer has “copies-preferred” (sect= ion 5.3.2) – does this mean the User wants 3 copies but the Printer prefe= rs to only print 2 !!!  Very Strange.   There could be a concep= t of “recommended” attributes that would apply to a very small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the User in such a way as to identify it as “recommended”.

n      The same comment applies to almost all the ot= her “preferred” attributes.

 

Glen

 

 


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On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > Thanks for explanation, it helps. Unless, I missed it, there should a si= milar explanation in the specification; so that people writing clients will= understand the rational when using the preferred capability. >=20=20 >=20=20 > In your first statement, you state that the =93printer could=94 versus th= e =93printer will=94; therefore, I assume the =93=94use=94=94 of =93preferr= ed=94 is optional and that the client could return an invalid job for your = example. So, is the User in control of whether they want a printer to us= e =93preferred=94 value. I assume the Print Client could respond to differ= ence in the sent and returned job ticket in various ways (and mostly likely= should). Can the Print Client tell the printer not to use preferred value= s even if the printer supports preferred values? >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:38 PM > To: Petrie, Glen > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Please explain the use of "preferred" attributes >=20=20 > Glen, >=20=20 > The semantic definition is that the Printer may return substituted values= for unsupported attributes in a Create-Job, Print-Job, Print-URI, or Valid= ate-Job response. That is, if you specify duplex printing on transparency m= edia, the printer could return sides-preferred with "one-sided" or media-co= l-preferred with a media-type other than transparency to tell the client th= at it will print the job differently than requested. >=20=20 > In the case of attributes like "copies", a printer may normally support u= p to (for example) 999 copies for uncollated output, but may only support 9= 9 copies for collated output. Or the printer may not be able to support co= pies for a given document or document format. >=20=20 > In short, previously all the client has known is that particular attribut= es or values were not supported (or conflicted), but not what attributes wo= uld be used by the printer instead (typically the default values). >=20=20 >=20=20 > On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: >=20 >=20 > Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013 >=20=20 > In Section 6.4 I don=92t understand the idea of =93=85 the Printer would = prefer to use=94. Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values? = While, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the= capability information; what does it mean when the printer has =93copies-p= referred=94 (section 5.3.2) =96 does this mean the User wants 3 copies but = the Printer prefers to only print 2 !!! Very Strange. There could be a c= oncept of =93recommended=94 attributes that would apply to a very small set= of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented to the Us= er in such a way as to identify it as =93recommended=94. > n The same comment applies to almost all the other =93preferred=94 a= ttributes. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_z+NqEtJ0IWGzKMhtSLbIlw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Glen,

There is an explanation in the introduction - I'm= happy to expand on this or highlight it differently if you have suggestion= s...

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote= :

Thanks for explanation, it helps.  Unless, I mi= ssed it, there should a similar explanation in the specification; so that p= eople writing clients will understand the rational when using the preferred= capability.
 
 
In your first statement, you state that the =93printer could=94 vers= us the =93printer will=94; therefore, I assume the =93=94use=94=94 of =93pr= eferred=94 is optional and that the client could return an invalid job for = your example.    So, is the User in control of whether they = want a printer to use =93preferred=94 value.  I assume the Print Clien= t could respond to difference in the sent and returned job ticket in variou= s ways (and mostly likely should).  Can the Print Client tell the prin= ter not to use preferred values even if the printer supports preferred valu= es?
 
Glen<= o:p>
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From: Michael Sweet [m= ailto:msweet@apple.com] <= br>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:38 PM
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Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Please e= xplain the use of "preferred" attributes
 
Glen,
&nbs= p;
= The semantic definition is that the Print= er may return substituted values for unsupported attributes in a Create-Job= , Print-Job, Print-URI, or Validate-Job response. That is, if you specify d= uplex printing on transparency media, the printer could return sides-prefer= red with "one-sided" or media-col-preferred with a media-type other than tr= ansparency to tell the client that it will print the job differently than r= equested.
 
In the case of attributes like "copies", a printer may normal= ly support up to (for example) 999 copies for uncollated output, but may on= ly support 99 copies for collated output.  Or the printer may not be a= ble to support copies for a given document or document format.
 
In short= , previously all the client has known is that particular attributes or valu= es were not supported (or conflicted), but not what attributes would be use= d by the printer instead (typically the default values).<= /font>
 
 
On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Petrie,= Glen wrote:


Discussion on wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013
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In Section 6.4 I d= on=92t understand the idea of =93=85 the Printer would prefer to use=94.&nb= sp; Does this the Printer will override Job Ticket values?   Whil= e, the printer has limitation or constraints which are reported in the capa= bility information; what does it mean when the printer has =93copies-prefer= red=94 (section 5.3.2) =96 does this mean the User wants 3 copies but the P= rinter prefers to only print 2 !!!  Very Strange.   There co= uld be a concept of =93recommended=94 attributes that would apply to a very= small set of attributes (copies is not one of them) and would be presented= to the User in such a way as to identify it as =93recommended=94.
n      The same comment applies to almost all th= e other =93preferred=94 attributes.
 
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However, for FaxOut (and potentially other IPP service bindings, should we = do them) the existing job-impressions/-completed attributes would not apply= . Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the following to say about impressions: The relationships in this section are common to all services that contain t= he associated counters. For example the relationship for Impression applies= to Copy, EmailIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and SystemTotals because =93i= mpressions=94 is applicable to these services The relationship for Impressi= on does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut, NetworkFaxOut, Scan or Transform bec= ause =93impressions=94 is not applicable to these services. Presumably we should report and count images instead, however IPP has never= defined image counter attributes (e.g. there are no job-images/-completed = attributes). Should I: 1. Add new job-images and job-images-completed Job Description attributes f= or FaxOut. This would preserve a closer 1-to-1 mapping with the Semantic Mo= del. or: 2. Redefine job-impressions and job-impressions-completed to be images for = FaxOut and other image-based services. This would make FaxOut closer to Pri= nt from a Client perspective, and existing code to report progress or do ac= counting would work without changes. Thoughts? _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_LyT8y61lPIxycnyKhKsN6Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

As= I continue to sift through the minutes from the October 2011 F2F, I saw th= at we decided to normatively reference the 5106.1 definition of impressions= for IPP and the Semantic Model going forward.

How= ever, for FaxOut (and potentially other IPP service bindings, should we do = them) the existing job-impressions/-completed attributes would not apply. &= nbsp;Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the following to say about impressions:

The relationships in thi= s section are common to all services that contain the associated counters. = For example the relationship for Impression applies to Copy, Emai= lIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and SystemTotals because =93impre= ssions=94 is applicable to these services The relationship for Impression&n= bsp;does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut, NetworkFaxOut, Scan or Transfo= rm because =93impressions=94 is not applicable to these services.

Presumably we should report and count ima= ges instead, however IPP has never defined image counter attributes (e.g. t= here are no job-images/-completed attributes).

Sho= uld I:

1. Add new job-images and job-images-comple= ted Job Description attributes for FaxOut. This would preserve a closer 1-t= o-1 mapping with the Semantic Model.

or:

2. Redefine job-impressions and job-impressions-completed t= o be images for FaxOut and other image-based services. This would make FaxO= ut closer to Print from a Client perspective, and existing code to report p= rogress or do accounting would work without changes.

Thoughts?

______________________________________________= ___________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Cha= ir


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Also, Copy Service (and possibly other future services) have both images (input) and impressions (output) work counters. Of course, Scan/FaxIn/etc. need images work counters. Cheers, - Ira, Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > As I continue to sift through the minutes from the October 2011 F2F, I saw > that we decided to normatively reference the 5106.1 definition of > impressions for IPP and the Semantic Model going forward. > > However, for FaxOut (and potentially other IPP service bindings, should we > do them) the existing job-impressions/-completed attributes would not > apply. Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the following to say about impressions: > > The relationships in this section are common to all services that contain > the associated counters. For example the relationship for Impression > applies to Copy, EmailIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and SystemTotals > because =93impressions=94 is applicable to these services The relationshi= p for > Impression does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut, NetworkFaxOut, Scan or > Transform because =93impressions=94 is not applicable to these services. > > > Presumably we should report and count images instead, however IPP has > never defined image counter attributes (e.g. there are no > job-images/-completed attributes). > > Should I: > > 1. Add new job-images and job-images-completed Job Description attributes > for FaxOut. This would preserve a closer 1-to-1 mapping with the Semantic > Model. > > or: > > 2. Redefine job-impressions and job-impressions-completed to be images for > FaxOut and other image-based services. This would make FaxOut closer to > Print from a Client perspective, and existing code to report progress or = do > accounting would work without changes. > > Thoughts? > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174785d2edad9c04b0b5f102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

My two cents:

Define new job-images[-completed] attr= ibutes, to align
w/ SM.

Also, Copy Service (and possibly other fu= ture services)
have both images (input) and impressions (output) work
counters.

Of course, Scan/FaxIn/etc. need images work counters.
<= br>Cheers,
- Ira,

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEE= E-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG=
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High = North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/bl= ueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Michael = Sweet <msweet@appl= e.com> wrote:
All,

As I continue t= o sift through the minutes from the October 2011 F2F, I saw that we decided= to normatively reference the 5106.1 definition of impressions for IPP and = the Semantic Model going forward.

However, for FaxOut (and potentially other IPP service = bindings, should we do them) the existing job-impressions/-completed attrib= utes would not apply. =A0Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the following to say abo= ut impressions:

The relationships in this section are common to all services that = contain the associated counters. For=A0example the=A0relationship for Impre= ssion applies to Copy, EmailIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and=A0SystemTota= ls because=A0=93impressions=94 is applicable to these services The relation= ship for Impression=A0does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut,=A0NetworkFaxOut, = Scan or Transform because =93impressions=94 is not=A0applicable to these se= rvices.

Presumably we should report and count imag= es instead, however IPP has never defined image counter attributes (e.g. th= ere are no job-images/-completed attributes).

Should I:

1. Add new job-images and job-images-com= pleted Job Description attributes for FaxOut. This would preserve a closer = 1-to-1 mapping with the Semantic Model.

or:

2. Redefine job-impressions and job-impressions-complet= ed to be images for FaxOut and other image-based services. This would make = FaxOut closer to Print from a Client perspective, and existing code to repo= rt progress or do accounting would work without changes.

Thoughts?

_______________________________________= __________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG= Chair


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Hi Mike,<= o:p>

 

I agree with Ira’s suggestion as a good= way to move forward.

 

Best Regards,

 

/Paul

-= -

Paul Tykodi
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TCS - Tykodi Consulting S= ervices LLC

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From= : ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of I= ra McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:57 PM
To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: = Re: [IPP] Impressions vs. images for IPP FaxOut service

 

Hi Mike,
My two cents:

Define new job-images[-completed] attributes, to= align
w/ SM.

Also, Copy Service (and possibly other future servi= ces)
have both images (input) and impressions (output) work
counters.=

Of course, Scan/FaxIn/etc. need images work counters.

Cheers= ,
- Ira,

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)=
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Prin= ter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedde= d Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
= Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.= google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.comWinter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-009= 4
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-243= 4


On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:20 PM, M= ichael Sweet <msweet@apple.com&g= t; wrote:

All,

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As= I continue to sift through the minutes from the October 2011 F2F, I saw th= at we decided to normatively reference the 5106.1 definition of impressions= for IPP and the Semantic Model going forward.

 

Howe= ver, for FaxOut (and potentially other IPP service bindings, should we do t= hem) the existing job-impressions/-completed attributes would not apply. &n= bsp;Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the following to say about impressions:<= /o:p>

 

The relationships in this section are common to all services that contain= the associated counters. For example the relationship for Impres= sion applies to Copy, EmailIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and SystemTo= tals because “impressions” is applicable to these services= The relationship for Impression does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut,&n= bsp;NetworkFaxOut, Scan or Transform because “impressions” is n= ot applicable to these services.

 

= Presumably we should report and count images instead, however IPP has never= defined image counter attributes (e.g. there are no job-images/-completed = attributes).

 

Should I:

 

1. A= dd new job-images and job-images-completed Job Description attributes for F= axOut. This would preserve a closer 1-to-1 mapping with the Semantic Model.=

 

<= div>

or:

=  

2. Redefine job-impres= sions and job-impressions-completed to be images for FaxOut and other image= -based services. This would make FaxOut closer to Print from a Client persp= ective, and existing code to report progress or do accounting would work wi= thout changes.

 

Thoughts?

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_________________________________________________________
Michae= l Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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must acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or wit=
hout comments), before any
document can progress to PW=
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Subject:  <Company Name> has reviewed the System =
Object and System Control 
Service Semantics and has [=
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Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.=

 
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The updated PWG Job Ticket and Associated Capabilit= ies specification is available on the  Semantic Model page <http://www.pwg.org/mfd>  or directl= y at

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Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler): Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=PwgSemanticModel &role=attend&pw=LetMeIn URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join Meeting ID: PWG_MFD Entry Code: LetMeIn Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker (2) Approve Cloud Imaging WG minutes from last teleconference ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/minutes/cloud-concall-minutes-20111024.pdf (3) Action items from last meeting: . Action: Pete to update PWG Job Ticket document (done) . Action: Ira to send LDAP text to Mike for IPP Everywhere 1.0 (ONGOING) . Action: Mike and Ira to post updates on PPD and JDF content (ONGOING) . Action: Bill and Ron to work with Justin on MSPS schema licensing/issues (ONGOING) . Action: Justin to look into MSPS schema licensing/issues (ONGOING - Justin to ping on status - ETA 11/15) (4) Review of current draft of the PWG Job Ticket and Associated Capabilities specification (see announcement below) Thank You, Bill Wagner, Cloud Imaging WG Vice chair From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:20 PM To: cloud@pwg.org Cc: IPP@pwg.org; mfd@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Updated PWG Job Ticket and Associated Capabilities specification is available All, The updated PWG Job Ticket and Associated Capabilities specification is available on the Semantic Model page or directly at Pete Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CC9A3F.A3C007B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Our next Cloud Imaging WG teleconference is  Monday 7= November 10-11am PST / 1-2pm EST

Main topic will be PWG Job Ticket = and Associated Capabilities specification<= br>
  Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
 = ; Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
  Call-= in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

  Attendee = Access Code: *******#
  Attendee ID Code: # (empty)
If you need = the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.

Live Meeting In= fo (courtesy of Pete Zehler):
   Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DPwgSemanticMode= l&role=3Dattend&pw=3DLetMeIn
  URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/joi= n  
  Meeting ID: PWG_MFD
  Entry Code: LetM= eIn

Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
(2) Approve Clo= ud Imaging WG minutes from last teleconference

ftp://ftp.pwg.or= g/pub/pwg/cloud/minutes/cloud-concall-minutes-20111024.pdf

(3) Action i= tems from last meeting:

= 226; Action: Pete to update PWG Job Ticket document (done)

<= span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>• Action: Ira to send LDAP text to Mi= ke for IPP Everywhere 1.0 (ONGOING)

• Action: Mike and Ira to post updates on PPD and JDF conten= t (ONGOING)

• Action:= Bill and Ron to work with Justin on MSPS schema licensing/issues (ONGOING)=

• Action: Justin to look into MSPS schem= a licensing/issues (ONGOING - Justin to ping on status - ETA 11/15)

 (= 4)  Review of  current draft  of the PWG Job Ticket and Associated Capabilities specification (= see announcement below)

 

Thank You,

Bill Wagner, Cloud Imaging WG Vic= e chair

 

 

= From:= ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On= Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12= :20 PM
To: cloud@pwg.org
= Cc: IPP@pwg.org; mfd@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Updated PWG Job Tic= ket and Associated Capabilities specification is available

 

All,

The updated PWG Job Ticket and= Associated Capabilities specification is available on the  Semantic M= odel page <http://www.pwg.org/mfd= >  or directly at

<ft= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-sm20-printjobticket10-20111103.pdf>= ;

Pete

 

=  

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email:= Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
= M/S 128-25E
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As IPP is extended to include the MFD services beyond print, I think it is important to maintain the distinction. With respect to FaxOut, I appreciate that some applications may have lumped this service in with print, in which case using a different attribute is a disruption. If we were just extending IPP to FaxOut, fudging impression to mean images might be reasonable; but as Ira has suggested, it would be particularly confusing in some other services. However, although the impressions/images/sheets/pages issue has seemed fairly clear for those of us who worked on 5106.1, it apparently has been an issue for you; so I wonder if we are missing something? Thanks, Bill Wagner From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Paul Tykodi Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:11 AM To: 'Michael Sweet' Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Impressions vs. images for IPP FaxOut service Hi Mike, I agree with Ira's suggestion as a good way to move forward. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com WWW: http://www.tykodi.com From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Impressions vs. images for IPP FaxOut service Hi Mike, My two cents: Define new job-images[-completed] attributes, to align w/ SM. Also, Copy Service (and possibly other future services) have both images (input) and impressions (output) work counters. Of course, Scan/FaxIn/etc. need images work counters. Cheers, - Ira, Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: All, As I continue to sift through the minutes from the October 2011 F2F, I saw that we decided to normatively reference the 5106.1 definition of impressions for IPP and the Semantic Model going forward. However, for FaxOut (and potentially other IPP service bindings, should we do them) the existing job-impressions/-completed attributes would not apply. Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the following to say about impressions: The relationships in this section are common to all services that contain the associated counters. For example the relationship for Impression applies to Copy, EmailIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and SystemTotals because "impressions" is applicable to these services The relationship for Impression does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut, NetworkFaxOut, Scan or Transform because "impressions" is not applicable to these services. Presumably we should report and count images instead, however IPP has never defined image counter attributes (e.g. there are no job-images/-completed attributes). Should I: 1. Add new job-images and job-images-completed Job Description attributes for FaxOut. This would preserve a closer 1-to-1 mapping with the Semantic Model. or: 2. Redefine job-impressions and job-impressions-completed to be images for FaxOut and other image-based services. 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Hi Mike,

 

Your option 1 is consistent with the decision = to follow the 5106.1 distinction between images and impressions. As IPP is = extended to include the MFD services beyond print, I think it is important = to maintain the distinction. With respect to FaxOut, I appreciate that some= applications may have lumped this service in with print, in which case usi= ng a different attribute is a disruption. If we were just extending IPP to = FaxOut, fudging impression to mean images might be reasonable; but as Ira h= as suggested, it would be particularly confusing in some other services.

However, although the impressions/images/sheets/pages issue= has seemed fairly clear for those of us who worked on 5106.1, it apparentl= y has been an issue for you; so I wonder if we are missing something?<= /o:p>

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounce= s@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Paul Tykodi
Sent: Wednesday, Novem= ber 02, 2011 4:11 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.or= g
Subject: RE: [IPP] Impressions vs. images for IPP FaxOut servic= e

 

Hi Mike,

 

I ag= ree with Ira’s suggestion as a good way to move forward.

 

Best Regards,

 

/Paul<= /o:p>

--

Paul Tykodi
Princi= pal Consultant
TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC

Tel/Fax: 603-= 343-1820
Mobile:  603-866-0712
E-mail:  ptykodi@tykodi.com
WWW:  http://www.tykodi.com

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto= :ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Tues= day, November 01, 2011 8:57 PM
To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonaldCc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Impressions vs. images= for IPP FaxOut service

&nbs= p;

Hi Mike,

My two cents:

Defin= e new job-images[-completed] attributes, to align
w/ SM.

Also, Co= py Service (and possibly other future services)
have both images (input)= and impressions (output) work
counters.

Of course, Scan/FaxIn/et= c. need images work counters.

Cheers,
- Ira,

I= ra McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Ope= n Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - = IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF De= signated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc= http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnor= thinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place&nbs= p; Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

 

As I continue to sift through the mi= nutes from the October 2011 F2F, I saw that we decided to normatively refer= ence the 5106.1 definition of impressions for IPP and the Semantic Model go= ing forward.

 

However, for FaxOut (and potentially o= ther IPP service bindings, should we do them) the existing job-impressions/= -completed attributes would not apply.  Section 7.1 of 5106.1 has the = following to say about impressions:

 

The relationships in this section are common to all services that cont= ain the associated counters. For example the relationship for Imp= ression applies to Copy, EmailIn, FaxIn, NetworkFaxIn, Print and Syste= mTotals because “impressions” is applicable to these servi= ces The relationship for Impression does not apply to EmailOut, FaxOut= , NetworkFaxOut, Scan or Transform because “impressions” i= s not applicable to these services.

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Presumably we should report and count images instead, however IPP has ne= ver defined image counter attributes (e.g. there are no job-images/-complet= ed attributes).

 

Should I:

=

 

1= . Add new job-images and job-images-completed Job Description attributes fo= r FaxOut. This would preserve a closer 1-to-1 mapping with the Semantic Mod= el.

 

or:

 

2. Redefine job-imp= ressions and job-impressions-completed to be images for FaxOut and other im= age-based services. This would make FaxOut closer to Print from a Client pe= rspective, and existing code to report progress or do accounting would work= without changes.

 =

Thoughts?

 

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As IPP is extended to include the MFD services beyond print, I think it is important to maintain the distinction. With respect to FaxOut, I appreciate that some applications may have lumped this service in with print, in which case using a different attribute is a disruption. If we were just extending IPP to FaxOut, fudging impression to mean images might be reasonable; but as Ira has suggested, it would be particularly confusing in some other services. I think we have general consensus that option 1 is the right approach. The current draft already has the per-destination image count, so job-images-completed will just be a roll-up count. > However, although the impressions/images/sheets/pages issue has seemed fairly clear for those of us who worked on 5106.1, it apparently has been an issue for you; so I wonder if we are missing something? The confusion for me (and many vendors, based on the implementations I have seen) has been the plethora of definitions to date, the lack of concrete examples for the edge cases, and the lack of any normative references to 5106.1 in any IPP specification. I know I personally only ever thought of 5106.1 as a counter MIB and not as something that had broader reach/implications for higher-level protocols. (Obviously we are going to fix the referencing issue, and I am preparing an errata for RFC 2911 to provide a normative reference to 5106.1 for job-media-sheets/-completed and job-impressions/-completed) ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_DAaiYaWi/N+h6P1DDsPXrg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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Your o= ption 1 is consistent with the decision to follow the 5106.1 distinction be= tween images and impressions. As IPP is extended to include the MFD service= s beyond print, I think it is important to maintain the distinction. With r= espect to FaxOut, I appreciate that some applications may have lumped this = service in with print, in which case using a different attribute is a disru= ption. If we were just extending IPP to FaxOut, fudging impression to mean = images might be reasonable; but as Ira has suggested, it would be particula= rly confusing in some other services.

I think we have general consensus that option 1 is th= e right approach. The current draft already has the per-destination image c= ount, so job-images-completed will just be a roll-up count.

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However, although the impressi= ons/images/sheets/pages issue has seemed fairly clear for those of us who w= orked on 5106.1, it apparently has been an issue for you; so I wonder if we= are missing something?
The confusion for me (and many vendors, based on the implement= ations I have seen) has been the plethora of definitions to date, the lack = of concrete examples for the edge cases, and the lack of any normative refe= rences to 5106.1 in any IPP specification. I know I personally only ever th= ought of 5106.1 as a counter MIB and not as something that had broader reac= h/implications for higher-level protocols.

(Obvio= usly we are going to fix the referencing issue, and I am preparing an errat= a for RFC 2911 to provide a normative reference to 5106.1 for job-media-she= ets/-completed and job-impressions/-completed)

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Cut-and-paste error from printer-alert into printer-supply.=

supply-type on page 32, line 997 of the clean PDF of JPS3 has a key= word
of "code" but should have "type" (oops).

Please add to your list.

Found while writing ABNF for printer-in= put and printer-output elements.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation= Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://si= tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
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They are based on Printer MIB v2 conformance requirements, media source key properties, and DMTF CIM ranking activity by WIMS WG in 2006. The reference for that activity (I think we should add as an Informative reference) is: DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, September 2006, ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/ PrinterMibObjectsToAdd_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included. Also note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Object". Comments? Cheers, - Ira ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Notes: (1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. (2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor are RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important but often unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usually known). (3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight. (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. Table X - Keywords for printer-input-tray Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- prtInput... Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL Type String type REQUIRED DimUnit String dimunit RECOMMENDED MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer mediafeed REQUIRED MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer mediaxfeed REQUIRED MediaDimFeedDirChosen --- --- --- MediaDimXFeedDirChosen --- --- --- CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED CurrentLevel Integer level REQUIRED Status Integer status REQUIRED MediaName (note 2) String medianame RECOMMENDED Name String name REQUIRED VendorName --- --- --- Model --- --- --- Version --- --- --- SerialNumber --- --- --- Security --- --- --- MediaWeight (note 3) Integer mediaweight OPTIONAL MediaType (note 2) String mediatype RECOMMENDED MediaColor (note 2) String mediacolor RECOMMENDED MediaFormParts --- --- --- MediaLoadTimeout --- --- --- NextIndex --- --- --- Examples of printer-input-tray printer-input-tray[1] = type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; maxcapacity=500;level=100;status=8;name=Tray1; index=1;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; mediatype=stationery;mediacolor=blue; printer-input-tray[2] = type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; maxcapacity=100;level=20;status=8;name=Tray2; index=2;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; mediatype=photographic;mediacolor=white; Figure X - ABNF for "printer-input-tray" values printer-input-tray = *input-required *[input-optional] ; set of input elements encoded into one value input-required = input-req ";" input-req = input-type / input-media-feed / input-media-xfeed / input-max-capacity / input-level / input-status / input-name input-optional = input-opt ";" input-opt = input-index / input-dim-unit / input-unit / input-media-name / input-media-weight / input-media-type / input-media-color input-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA ; enumerated value as an alpha string ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputType ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from ; the *label* in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] input-media-feed = "mediafeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] input-media-xfeed = "mediaxfeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] input-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] input-level = "level" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805] input-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805] input-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from ; prtInputName in [RFC3805] input-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805] input-dim-unit = "dimunit" "=" 1*ALPHA ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805] input-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] input-media-name = "medianame" "=" 1*ALPHA ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805] input-media-weight = "mediaweight" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805] input-media-type = "mediatype" "=" 1*ALPHA ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805] input-media-color = "mediacolor" "=" 1*ALPHA ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Notes: (1) prtOutputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. (2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir, prtOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped, because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. (3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOututPageDeliveryOrientation, and prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. Table Y - Keywords for printer-output-tray Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- prtOutput... Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL Type String type REQUIRED CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED RemainingCapacity Integer remaining REQUIRED Status Integer status REQUIRED Name String name REQUIRED VendorName --- --- --- Model --- --- --- Version --- --- --- SerialNumber --- --- --- Security --- --- --- DimUnit (note 2) --- --- --- MaxDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- MinDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- StackingOrder (note 3) String stackingorder OPTIONAL PageDeliveryOrientation String pagedelivery OPTIONAL (note 3) Bursting --- --- --- Decollating --- --- --- PageCollated --- --- --- OffsetStacking (note 3) String offsetstacking OPTIONAL Examples of printer-output-tray printer-output-tray[1] = type=removableBin; maxcapacity=500;remaining=-3;status=12;name=LeftOutputBin; index=1;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; printer-output-tray[2] = type=removableBin; maxcapacity=300;remaining=-3;status=0;name=RightOutputBin; index=2;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-tray" values printer-output-tray = *output-required *[output-optional] ; set of output elements encoded into one value output-required = output-req ";" output-req = output-type / output-max-capacity / output-remaining / output-status / output-name output-optional = output-opt ";" output-opt = output-index / output-unit / output-stacking-order / output-page-delivery / output-offset-stacking output-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA ; enumerated value as an alpha string ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] output-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] output-remaining = 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alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') of ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDeliveryOrientationTC in ; [RFC3805] output-offset-stacking = "offsetstacking" "=" 1*ALPHA ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPresent') of ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174c195685df2304b1187f72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGJyIGNsZWFyPSJhbGwiPkhpIE1pa2UsoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCg oKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKAgU3VuZGF5ICg2IE5vdmVtYmVyIDIwMTEpPGJy Pjxicj5CZWxvdyBpcyBBQk5GIGZvciBuZXcgJnF1b3Q7cHJpbnRlci1pbnB1 dC10cmF5JnF1b3Q7IGFuZCAmcXVvdDtwcmludGVyLW91dHB1dC10cmF5JnF1 b3Q7PGJyPnN0cmluZyBhdHRyaWJ1dGVzIChpLmUuLCAxc2V0T2YgKG9jdGV0 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Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0929833434==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 3E59C79539.A97DE X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0929833434== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC9E12.589B09D2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC9E12.589B09D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect. The examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent. It is my understanding that current implementations from multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter. =20 Rfc3382: 3.1 4a - example is in mm 5.1.2.1 - defines units as inches 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches 7.2 - example in inches Appendix A - example in inches Appendix B - example in inches =20 PWG5100.3: 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter 3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter 3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter =20 PWG5105.1: 7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) =20 PWG5108.1: 4.3.1 - does not call out unit but references 5100.3 5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) =20 =20 =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect.&= nbsp; The examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent.  It is my understandin= g that current implementations from multiple vendors use hundredth of a mil= limeter.

 

Rfc3382:

3.1  4a ̵= 1; example is in mm

5.1.2.1 – defi= nes units as inches

5.1.2.2 - defines un= its as inches

7.2 – example in inc= hes

Appendix A – example in inches=

Appendix B – example in inches

 

= PWG5100.3:

3.13.8.1 - defines units as <= span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:black'>hundredths of a millimeter=

3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter

3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter<= /p>

3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter

 

PWG5105.1:=

7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)

 

PWG5108.1:

4.3.1 – does not c= all out unit but references 51= 00.3

5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (refer= ences 5100.3)

 

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P= eter Zehler

Xerox Re= search Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster = NY, 14580-9701 <= /o:p>

 


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(and yes this is confusing) On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > All, > The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect. The examples in rfc33= 82 are inconsistent. It is my understanding that current implementations f= rom multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter. >=20=20 > Rfc3382: > 3.1 4a =96 example is in mm > 5.1.2.1 =96 defines units as inches > 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches > 7.2 =96 example in inches > Appendix A =96 example in inches > Appendix B =96 example in inches >=20=20 > PWG5100.3: > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter >=20=20 > PWG5105.1: > 7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) >=20=20 > PWG5108.1: > 4.3.1 =96 does not call out unit but references 5100.3 > 5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_eCkstMoy64gfN9K9Np0LLA) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
All,
The units for media-size in= rfc3382 are incorrect.  The examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent.&nbs= p; It is my understanding that current implementations from multiple vendor= s use hundredth of a millimeter.
 
Rfc3382:
3.1  4a =96 example is in mm
5.1.2.1 =96 defines= units as inches
5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches
= 7.2 =96 example in inches
Appendix A =96 example in inches=
Appendix B =96 example in inches
 
PWG= 5100.3:
3.13.8.1 - defines units as hu= ndredths of a millimeter
3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter
3.13.8.= 3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter<= /span>
3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as h= undredths of a millimeter
 
PWG5105.1:<= o:p>
7.1 - defines units as&nb= sp;hundredths of a= millimeter (references 5100.3)
 
<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b= ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">PWG51= 08.1:
4.3.1 =96 does not call out unit but references 5100.3
5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)<= /span>
 =
 
 
 
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
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Voice: (585) 265-= 8755
FAX: (5= 85) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
= Xerox Corp.
= 800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
 

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One thing, other than the inconsistent differences, that contributed to their confusion was that RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published in February of 2001. Their initial assumption was that newer spec should be correct. They did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicates the definitions are informative. Furthermore there is no reference, normative or informative, that points to the official definition. =20 I'd like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected. It might also be a good idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3. =20 Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:26 AM To: Zehler, Peter Subject: Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382 =20 Pete, =20 The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and never registered. =20 (and yes this is confusing) =20 On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: All, The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect. The examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent. It is my understanding that current implementations from multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter. =20 Rfc3382: 3.1 4a - example is in mm 5.1.2.1 - defines units as inches 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches 7.2 - example in inches Appendix A - example in inches Appendix B - example in inches =20 PWG5100.3: 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter 3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter 3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter =20 PWG5105.1: 7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) =20 PWG5108.1: 4.3.1 - does not call out unit but references 5100.3 5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) =20 =20 =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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Mike,

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>I know it’s confusing; it confused some pe= ople here.  One thing, other than the inconsistent differences, that c= ontributed to their confusion was that RFC3382 was publish in September of = 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published in February of 2001.  Their initial a= ssumption was that newer spec should be correct.  They did not read th= e fine print in section 5 that indicates the definitions are informative.&n= bsp; Furthermore there is no reference, normative or informative, that poin= ts to the official definition.

 

I’d like= to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected.  It might also be a good = idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3.<= /span>

 

Pete

<= o:p> 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
= Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'>
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Co= rp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/= S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

F= rom: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, N= ovember 08, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Subject: Re= : [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382

 

Pete,<= /o:p>

 

The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and never reg= istered.

 

(and yes this is confusing)

=

 

On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:



All,

The = units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect.  The examples in rfc338= 2 are inconsistent.  It is my understanding that current implementatio= ns from multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter.

 

Rfc3382:

3.1  4a – example is in mm

5.1.2.1 – defines units as = inches

5.1.2.2 - = defines units as inches

7.2 – example in inches

Appendix A – example in inches<= /p>

Appendix B – example in inche= s

 

PWG5100.3:

3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a mi= llimeter

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bla= ck'>3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter

3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a milli= meter

3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter

 

PWG5105.1:

7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3= )

&nb= sp;

PWG5108.1:

4.3.1 – does = not call out unit but references 5100.3

5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3= )

&nb= sp;

&= nbsp;

 =

 <= o:p>

Peter Zehler=

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (= 585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-2= 5E
Webster NY, 14580-9701<= /span>

 

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Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:48 AM, "Zehler, Peter" wrote: > Mike, >=20=20 > I know it=E2=80=99s confusing; it confused some people here. One thing, = other than the inconsistent differences, that contributed to their confusio= n was that RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was publi= shed in February of 2001. Their initial assumption was that newer spec sho= uld be correct. They did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicat= es the definitions are informative. Furthermore there is no reference, nor= mative or informative, that points to the official definition. >=20=20 > I=E2=80=99d like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected. It might al= so be a good idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3. >=20=20 > Pete >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:26 AM > To: Zehler, Peter > Subject: Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382 >=20=20 > Pete, >=20=20 > The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and never registered. >=20=20 > (and yes this is confusing) >=20=20 > On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: >=20 >=20 > All, > The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect. The examples in rfc33= 82 are inconsistent. It is my understanding that current implementations f= rom multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter. >=20=20 > Rfc3382: > 3.1 4a =E2=80=93 example is in mm > 5.1.2.1 =E2=80=93 defines units as inches > 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches > 7.2 =E2=80=93 example in inches > Appendix A =E2=80=93 example in inches > Appendix B =E2=80=93 example in inches >=20=20 > PWG5100.3: > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter >=20=20 > PWG5105.1: > 7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) >=20=20 > PWG5108.1: > 4.3.1 =E2=80=93 does not call out unit but references 5100.3 > 5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20=20 > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_cwMEzpinq21a+4cAlceDZg) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Pete,

I'll post an errata for 3382.

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:48 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Mike,

 

I know it=E2=80=99s confusing; it= confused some people here.  One thing, other than the inconsistent di= fferences, that contributed to their confusion was that RFC3382 was publish= in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published in February of 2001. = ; Their initial assumption was that newer spec should be correct.  The= y did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicates the definitions a= re informative.  Furthermore there is no reference, normative or infor= mative, that points to the official definition.

 

I=E2=80=99d like to see the = 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected.  It might also be a good idea to incl= ude at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3.

 

Pete

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox R= esearch Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 26= 5-7441
US= Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
= M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

=

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Nov= ember 08, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Subject: Re: = [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> 

Pete,

 

The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and nev= er registered.

 <= /o:p>

(and yes this is confusing)=

 

=

On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:



All,

The units for media= -size in rfc3382 are incorrect.  The examples in rfc3382 are inconsist= ent.  It is my understanding that current implementations from multipl= e vendors use hundredth of a millimeter.

 

<= /div>

Rfc3382:

3.1=  4a =E2=80=93 example is in mm

5.1.2.1 =E2=80=93 defines units a= s inches

5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches

=

7.2 =E2=80=93 example = in inches

Appendix A =E2=80=93 example in inches

=

Appendix B =E2= =80=93 example in inches

 

PWG5100.3:

<= /div>

3.13.8.1 - define= s units as hundredths of a millimeter

3.13.8.1 - defines units as&nb= sp;hundredths of a millimeter=

3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundred= ths of a millimeter

3.13.8.3.2 - defin= es units as hundredths of a millimeter 

PWG5105.1:

7.1 - defines units as hundredth= s of a millimeter (references 5100.3)<= /o:p>

=  

PWG5108.1:

4.3.1 =E2=80=93 does not call out unit but references 5100.3

5.2.1 - defines= units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)

 =

 = ;

 

 

Peter Zehler=

Xer= ox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.<= /span>
800 Phill= ips Rd.
M= /S 128-25E
<= /p>

 


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RFC 3382 was simply one of the many IPP RFCs delayed in IETF process. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Michael R Sweet wrote: > Pete, > > I'll post an errata for 3382. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:48 AM, "Zehler, Peter" > wrote: > > Mike,**** > > ** ** > > I know it=92s confusing; it confused some people here. One thing, other > than the inconsistent differences, that contributed to their confusion was > that RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published > in February of 2001. Their initial assumption was that newer spec should > be correct. They did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicates > the definitions are informative. Furthermore there is no reference, > normative or informative, that points to the official definition.**** > > ** ** > > I=92d like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected. It might also be a > good idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3.**** > > ** ** > > Pete**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:26 AM > *To:* Zehler, Peter > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382**** > > ** ** > > Pete,**** > > ** ** > > The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and never registered.**** > > ** ** > > (and yes this is confusing)**** > > ** ** > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:**** > > > > **** > > All,**** > > The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect. The examples in > rfc3382 are inconsistent. It is my understanding that current > implementations from multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter.**** > > **** > > Rfc3382:**** > > 3.1 4a =96 example is in mm**** > > 5.1.2.1 =96 defines units as inches**** > > 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches**** > > 7.2 =96 example in inches**** > > Appendix A =96 example in inches**** > > Appendix B =96 example in inches**** > > **** > > PWG5100.3:**** > > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter**** > > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter**** > > 3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter**** > > 3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter**** > > **** > > PWG5105.1:**** > > 7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)**** > > **** > > PWG5108.1:**** > > 4.3.1 =96 does not call out unit but references 5100.3**** > > 5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)*** > * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > > ** ** > > __________________________________________________**** > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > ** ** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174764da341a9504b13cb02c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Thanks Mike!

RFC 3382 was simply one of the many IPP RFCs= delayed in IETF process.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira = McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open P= rinting WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://si= tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2= 434



On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Michael= R Sweet <msweet@a= pple.com> wrote:
Pete,

I'll post = an errata for 3382.

Sent from my iPhone
=

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:48 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com= > wrote:

Mike,

=A0

I kno= w it=92s confusing; it confused some people here.=A0 One thing, other than = the inconsistent differences, that contributed to their confusion was that = RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published in Feb= ruary of 2001.=A0 Their initial assumption was that newer spec should be co= rrect.=A0 They did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicates the = definitions are informative.=A0 Furthermore there is no reference, normativ= e or informative, that points to the official definition.

=A0

I=92d like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected.=A0= It might also be a good idea to include at least an informative reference = to PWG5100.3.

=A0

Pete

=A0

= =A0

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.= com
Voice: (585) 265-8755=
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

=A0

Fr= om: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Zehler, Pete= r
Subject: Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382=

=A0

Pete,

=A0

The media-col definition in 3382 was informa= tive and never registered.

=A0

(and yes this is confusing)=

=A0

On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:=



All,<= /u>

The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect.=A0 The= examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent.=A0 It is my understanding that curre= nt implementations from multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter.<= /u>

=A0

Rfc3382:

=

3.1 =A04a =96 example is in mm=

5.1.2.1 =96 defines units as inches<= /u>

5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches

7.2 =96 e= xample in inches

Appendix A =96 example in inches

Appendix B= =96 example in inches

=A0

PWG5100.3:

3.13.8.= 1 - defines units as=A0hundredths of a millimeter

3.13.8.1 - defines units as=A0hundredths of a millimeter

3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as=A0hundredths of a millimeter

3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as=A0hundredths of a millimeter

=A0

PWG5105.1:

7.1 - d= efines units as=A0hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)

=A0

PWG5108.1:

4.3.1 = =96 does not call out unit but=A0references 5100.3

5.2.1 - defines units as=A0hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">

=A0

=A0

=A0

=A0

Peter Zehler
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Systemu Administrator From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Nov 10 22:58:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D601F0C35 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:58:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.199, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ru4RF9vo8rzm for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41EF21F84AF for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45BD79611; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:57:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: IPP@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (bramley.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F231795AC for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:57:40 -0500 (EST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay17.apple.com ([17.128.113.18]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTP id <0LUH00IVFHZQYNL2@mail-out.apple.com> for IPP@pwg.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:57:39 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807112-b7b05ae000001108-d3-4ebcc762cbf5 Received: from [17.151.69.245] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.69.245]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay17.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 7D.C7.04360.267CCBE4; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382 From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: <01bd01cc9e6e$433045d0$c990d170$%hastings@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:57:37 -0800 Message-id: <73B9FB18-0A50-4C28-819D-45986CA376C8@apple.com> References: <5BC56D5F-FD2E-4E31-ABE7-9ECD6539364D@apple.com> <01bd01cc9e6e$433045d0$c990d170$%hastings@verizon.net> To: Tom Hastings X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1407) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrHLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiON31q27y8T1+Biu/yloc2/eSxeLIt1iL jicrWS1W7l/E7MDisfXkDzaPeYunM3n8+L+WzWP5qfVsASxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBkfdn5n K1j/k6mif7VzA2PLGaYuRk4OCQETie4VL5khbDGJC/fWs3UxcnEICUxlkni8+zkjSEJYwFRi z7dfLCA2r4ChxJcl78DizAIJEp83/2EHsdkE1CR+T+pj7WLk4OAUcJa4eNwaxGQRUJVYNNED otpW4s3lU8wQU2wkHizbzwix6jejxI8J7WBjRAS0JZZ/XsoM0ishICvR+7Z+AiPfLCSLZyFZ DGFrSyxb+JoZwjaQeNr5ihVTXF/izbs5TAsY2VYxChal5iRWGprrJRYU5KTqJefnbmIEhXJD odAOxvu79A4xCnAwKvHwcv7Z7SfEmlhWXJl7iFGCg1lJhFc2b4+fEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrx IUZpDhYlcV6BeUApgfTEktTs1NSC1CKYLBMHp1QDo+ohiZj4mkeci5yYG5sVD29bvuwn4wdl 9xBZ7j13Lm2euVe7JOmXh9Lqz8HP9G8GrTlQfOHQe/Fmrt8Z/199Xvihx75ms9c9dpOUHx+u vY+cscH/Vn9HMvORWUzV96V2yUtJR9v5O5i5+lUenjd77fXlr5yKA94n7fg3+/+07bfkq+bN UDzyPkWJpTgj0VCLuag4EQB3aoQZYQIAAA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: IPP@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0964891063==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: B45BD79611.A9FE5 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0964891063== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Qj9cfePYo2sjsuDKJh2rWA)" --Boundary_(ID_Qj9cfePYo2sjsuDKJh2rWA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All, I have submitted a boatload of errata for 3382 to fix all of the spots wher= e the wrong units were used and to add a normative reference to PWG 5100.3. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Tom Hastings wrote: > I agree that it would be good to fix RFC 3382 to use the same 100th of mm= units that are used in other IETF Recommendations and PWG standards for me= dia sizes.=20 >=20=20 > But to understand how this happened, RFC 3382 was written many years befo= re other standards in order to define how the =91collection=92 data type co= uld be used to define attributes. Because it was an RFC, it had to go thro= ugh the lengthy IETF process (much longer than the PWG standards process), = so it was published after the other PWG standards that defined attributes w= ith media size units for the first time using the 100th of mm units. The i= dea we had in writing up the =93media-col=94 example in RFC 3382, was to sh= ow how the =91collection=92 data type =93could=94 be used. That is why we = used the subjunctive (=93might=94) for the description of the =93media-size= -supported=94 (1setOf collection) attribute: >=20=20 > For example, "media-size-supported" might have the values {{x- > dimension:210, y-dimension:297},{x-dimension:297, y- > dimension:420}} to show that it supports two values of "media > size": A4 (210x297) and A3 (297x420). It does not support > other combinations of "x-dimension" and "y-dimension" member > attributes, such as 210x420 or 297x297, and it does not support > non-enumerated values, such as 420x595. >=20=20 > Tom >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehle= r, Peter > Sent: November 08, 2011 08:48 > To: Michael Sweet > Cc: IPP@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382 >=20=20 > Mike, >=20=20 > I know it=92s confusing; it confused some people here. One thing, other = than the inconsistent differences, that contributed to their confusion was = that RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published i= n February of 2001. Their initial assumption was that newer spec should be= correct. They did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicates the= definitions are informative. Furthermore there is no reference, normative= or informative, that points to the official definition. >=20=20 > I=92d like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected. It might also be = a good idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3. >=20=20 > Pete >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:26 AM > To: Zehler, Peter > Subject: Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382 >=20=20 > Pete, >=20=20 > The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and never registered. >=20=20 > (and yes this is confusing) >=20=20 > On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: >=20=20 >=20 > All, > The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect. The examples in rfc33= 82 are inconsistent. It is my understanding that current implementations f= rom multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter. >=20=20 > Rfc3382: > 3.1 4a =96 example is in mm > 5.1.2.1 =96 defines units as inches > 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches > 7.2 =96 example in inches > Appendix A =96 example in inches > Appendix B =96 example in inches >=20=20 > PWG5100.3: > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter > 3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter >=20=20 > PWG5105.1: > 7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) >=20=20 > PWG5108.1: > 4.3.1 =96 does not call out unit but references 5100.3 > 5.2.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3) >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20=20 > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_Qj9cfePYo2sjsuDKJh2rWA) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I agree that it wou= ld be good to fix RFC 3382 to use the same 100th of mm units that are used in other IETF = Recommendations and PWG standards for media sizes. <= /font>
 
But to understand how this happene= d, RFC 3382 was written many years before other standards in order to defin= e how the =91collection=92 data type could be used to define attributes.&nb= sp; Because it was an RFC, it had to go through the lengthy IETF process (m= uch longer than the PWG standards process), so it was published after the o= ther PWG standards that defined attributes with media size units for the fi= rst time using the 100th&n= bsp;of mm units.  The idea we had in writing up the =93media-co= l=94 example in RFC 3382, was to show how the =91collection=92 data type = =93could=94 be used.  That is why we used the subjunctive (=93might=94= ) for the description of the =93media-size-supported=94 (1setOf collection)= attribute:
 
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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of = Zehler, Peter
Sent: November 08, 2011 08:48
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Cc: = IPP@pwg.org
Subject= : RE: [IPP] me= dia-size unit problem in rfc3382
=
Mike,
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I know it=92s confusing; it confused some people h= ere.  One thing, other than the inconsistent differences, that contrib= uted to their confusion was that RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 a= nd PWG5100.3 was published in February of 2001.  Their initial assumpt= ion was that newer spec should be correct.  They did not read the fine= print in section 5 that indicates the definitions are informative.  F= urthermore there is no reference, normative or informative, that points to = the official definition.
 =
I=92d like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected.  It mi= ght also be a good idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG= 5100.3.
 
Pete
 
 


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From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
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Subject: Re: [IPP] media-size un= it problem in rfc3382
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Pete,
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The media-col definition i= n 3382 was informative and never registered.
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(and yes thi= s is confusing)
 
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All,
The units for media-size in rfc338= 2 are incorrect.  The examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent.  It i= s my understanding that current implementations from multiple vendors use h= undredth of a millimeter.
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3.1  4a =96 example is in mm
5.1.2.1 =96 defines units as inches=
= 5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches
7.2 =96 ex= ample in inches
Appendix A =96 example in inches
Appendix B =96 example in inches
 
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3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter
3.1= 3.8.3.2 - defines units as = hundredths of a millimeter
 
PWG5105.1:
7.1 - defines units as hundredths of a millimeter (references= 5100.3)
 
PWG5108.1:=
4.3.1 =96 does not call out unit but references 5100.3
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5.2.1 -= defines units as = hundredth= s of a millimeter (references 5100.3)
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The > reference for that activity (I think we should add as an Informative > reference) is: > > DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, September 2006, > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/ > PrinterMibObjectsToAdd_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf > > Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included. Also > note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Object". > > Comments? OK, so I am concerned that we are providing input tray information in two different places. The current media-col-ready attribute provides most of the information in printer-input-tray - as of JPS3 the only missing information is the current level, max capacity, capacity unit, and status. Seems like we could simply add those to the media-source-properties (or a new media-status) collection member attribute instead? As for printer-output-tray, I'm not sure how a Client could correlate the values with output-bin/output-bin-default/output-bin-supported? I almost think we want an output-bin-ready or output-bin-status 1setOf collection attribute instead that correlates the output tray information to output-bin values. > Cheers, > - Ira > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Notes: > > (1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because > correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. > > (2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor are > RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important but > often unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usually > known). > > (3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because > because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight. > > (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* > mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. > > Table X - Keywords for printer-input-tray > > Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance > ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- > prtInput... > Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL > Type String type REQUIRED > DimUnit String dimunit RECOMMENDED > MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer mediafeed REQUIRED > MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer mediaxfeed REQUIRED > MediaDimFeedDirChosen --- --- --- > MediaDimXFeedDirChosen --- --- --- > CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED > MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED > CurrentLevel Integer level REQUIRED > Status Integer status REQUIRED > MediaName (note 2) String medianame RECOMMENDED > Name String name REQUIRED > VendorName --- --- --- > Model --- --- --- > Version --- --- --- > SerialNumber --- --- --- > Security --- --- --- > MediaWeight (note 3) Integer mediaweight OPTIONAL > MediaType (note 2) String mediatype RECOMMENDED > MediaColor (note 2) String mediacolor RECOMMENDED > MediaFormParts --- --- --- > MediaLoadTimeout --- --- --- > NextIndex --- --- --- > > > Examples of printer-input-tray > > printer-input-tray[1] = > type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; > mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; > maxcapacity=500;level=100;status=8;name=Tray1; > index=1;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; > medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; > mediatype=stationery;mediacolor=blue; > > printer-input-tray[2] = > type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; > mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; > maxcapacity=100;level=20;status=8;name=Tray2; > index=2;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; > medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; > mediatype=photographic;mediacolor=white; > > > Figure X - ABNF for "printer-input-tray" values > > printer-input-tray = *input-required *[input-optional] > ; set of input elements encoded into one value > > input-required = input-req ";" > input-req = input-type / > input-media-feed / > input-media-xfeed / > input-max-capacity / > input-level / > input-status / > input-name > > input-optional = input-opt ";" > input-opt = input-index / > input-dim-unit / > input-unit / > input-media-name / > input-media-weight / > input-media-type / > input-media-color > > input-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string > ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputType > ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] > > input-media-feed = "mediafeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] > > input-media-xfeed = "mediaxfeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] > > input-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] > > input-level = "level" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805] > > input-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805] > > input-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputName in [RFC3805] > > > input-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805] > > input-dim-unit = "dimunit" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of > ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805] > > input-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of > ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] > > input-media-name = "medianame" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805] > > input-media-weight = "mediaweight" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805] > > input-media-type = "mediatype" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805] > > input-media-color = "mediacolor" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Notes: > > (1) prtOutputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because > correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. > > (2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir, > prtOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped, > because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking > activity in WIMS WG in 2006. > > (3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOututPageDeliveryOrientation, and > prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because > they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity > in WIMS WG in 2006. > > (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* > mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. > > Table Y - Keywords for printer-output-tray > > Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance > ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- > prtOutput... > Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL > Type String type REQUIRED > CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED > MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED > RemainingCapacity Integer remaining REQUIRED > Status Integer status REQUIRED > Name String name REQUIRED > VendorName --- --- --- > Model --- --- --- > Version --- --- --- > SerialNumber --- --- --- > Security --- --- --- > DimUnit (note 2) --- --- --- > MaxDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > MinDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > StackingOrder (note 3) String stackingorder OPTIONAL > PageDeliveryOrientation String pagedelivery OPTIONAL > (note 3) > Bursting --- --- --- > Decollating --- --- --- > PageCollated --- --- --- > OffsetStacking (note 3) String offsetstacking OPTIONAL > > > Examples of printer-output-tray > > printer-output-tray[1] = > type=removableBin; > maxcapacity=500;remaining=-3;status=12;name=LeftOutputBin; > index=1;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; > pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; > > printer-output-tray[2] = > type=removableBin; > maxcapacity=300;remaining=-3;status=0;name=RightOutputBin; > index=2;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; > pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; > > > Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-tray" values > > printer-output-tray = *output-required *[output-optional] > ; set of output elements encoded into one value > > output-required = output-req ";" > output-req = output-type / > output-max-capacity / > output-remaining / > output-status / > output-name > > output-optional = output-opt ";" > output-opt = output-index / > output-unit / > output-stacking-order / > output-page-delivery / > output-offset-stacking > > output-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string > ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType > ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] > > output-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] > > output-remaining = "remaining" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputRemainingCapacity in [RFC3805] > > output-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputStatus in [RFC3805] > > output-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputName in [RFC3805] > > > output-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputIndex in [RFC3805] > > output-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of > ; prtOutputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] > > output-stacking-order = "stackingorder" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'firstToLast') of > ; prtOutputStackingOrder in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtOutputStackingOrderTC in [RFC3805] > > output-page-delivery = "pagedelivery" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') of > ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly > ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDeliveryOrientationTC in > ; [RFC3805] > > output-offset-stacking = "offsetstacking" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPresent') of > ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_rGt6LHniriKxS+XkyFU0mw) Content-type: text/html; 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On Nov 6, 2011, = at 2:31 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   Sunday (6 November 2011)

Below is ABNF for new "pr= inter-input-tray" and "printer-output-tray"
string attributes (i.e., 1se= tOf (octetString) since they're fixed in
UTF-8 only and not variable charset).

They are based on Printer MIB = v2 conformance requirements, media source
key properties, and DMTF CIM r= anking activity by WIMS WG in 2006.  The
reference for that activit= y (I think we should add as an Informative
reference) is:

DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, = September 2006,
ftp://ft= p.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/
    PrinterMibObjectsToAd= d_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf

Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included.  = Also
note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Object= ".

Comments?

OK, so I am concerned th= at we are providing input tray information in two different places.  T= he current media-col-ready attribute provides most of the information in pr= inter-input-tray - as of JPS3 the only missing information is the current l= evel, max capacity, capacity unit, and status.  Seems like we could si= mply add those to the media-source-properties (or a new media-status) colle= ction member attribute instead?

As for printer-out= put-tray, I'm not sure how a Client could correlate the values with output-= bin/output-bin-default/output-bin-supported?  I almost think we want a= n output-bin-ready or output-bin-status 1setOf collection attribute instead= that correlates the output tray information to output-bin values.

Cheers,
- Ira

--------= ----------------------------------------------------------------

Notes:

(1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", be= cause
correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant.=

(2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor ar= e
RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important but
ofte= n unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usually
know= n).

(3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", bec= ause
because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight.

(4) Printer M= IB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not*
mapped, per DMTF= CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006.

    &n= bsp;       Table X - Keywords for printer-inp= ut-tray

Printer MIB Object      IPP Datatype &nbs= p;  IPP Keyword         Confor= mance
------------------      ------------ = ;   -----------         -= ----------
prtInput...
Index (note 1)     &n= bsp;    Integer       &nb= sp; index           =     OPTIONAL
Type            = ;        String    &= nbsp;     type       = ;         REQUIRED
DimUnit =             &nb= sp;   String         = ; dimunit           =   RECOMMENDED
MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer   &nbs= p;     mediafeed      &nb= sp;    REQUIRED
MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer &nb= sp;      mediaxfeed     &= nbsp;    REQUIRED
MediaDimFeedDirChosen   ---      &n= bsp;      ---      &= nbsp;          ---
MediaDim= XFeedDirChosen  ---        &nb= sp;    ---        &n= bsp;        ---
CapacityUnit &nb= sp;          String  = ;        unit    &nb= sp;           RECOMMENDED=
MaxCapacity          =    Integer         maxcap= acity         REQUIRED
CurrentLevel          &nb= sp; Integer         level &nbs= p;             = REQUIRED
Status         &nb= sp;        Integer   &nbs= p;     status       =        REQUIRED
MediaName (note 2) &n= bsp;    String       &nbs= p;  medianame         &nb= sp; RECOMMENDED
Name        &nbs= p;           String =          name   &nbs= p;            REQUIR= ED
VendorName           = ;   ---         &nbs= p;   ---         &nb= sp;       ---
Model    = ;            &n= bsp;  ---          &= nbsp;  ---          =        ---
Version    =              --= -             -= --            &= nbsp;    ---
SerialNumber     &n= bsp;      ---      &= nbsp;      ---      =            ---
Security           &= nbsp;    ---        =      ---        = ;         ---
MediaWeight (note = 3)    Integer        = ; mediaweight         OPTIONAL
M= ediaType (note 2)      String   &nb= sp;      mediatype     &n= bsp;     RECOMMENDED
MediaColor (note 2)  =    String          m= ediacolor          RECOMMENDED=
MediaFormParts          ---&nb= sp;            ---&n= bsp;            = ;    ---
MediaLoadTimeout     &n= bsp;  ---          &= nbsp;  ---          =        ---
NextIndex   &nbs= p;           --- &nb= sp;           --- &n= bsp;            = ;   ---


       &nbs= p;            Exampl= es of printer-input-tray

printer-input-tray[1] =3D
    type=3DsheetFeedAutoRem= ovableTray;
    mediafeed=3D110000;mediaxfeed=3D85000;    maxcapacity=3D500;level=3D100;status=3D8;name=3DTray1;<= br>    index=3D1;dimunit=3DtenThousandthsOfInches;unit=3Dshe= ets;
    medianame=3Dna-letter;mediaweight=3D-2;
  &= nbsp; mediatype=3Dstationery;mediacolor=3Dblue;

printer-input-tray[2= ] =3D
    type=3DsheetFeedAutoRemovableTray;
 &nb= sp;  mediafeed=3D110000;mediaxfeed=3D85000;
    maxc= apacity=3D100;level=3D20;status=3D8;name=3DTray2;
    index=3D2;dimunit=3DtenThousandthsOfInches;unit=3Dsheets= ;
    medianame=3Dna-letter;mediaweight=3D-2;
 &n= bsp;  mediatype=3Dphotographic;mediacolor=3Dwhite;


 &n= bsp;          Figure X - ABNF = for "printer-input-tray" values

printer-input-tray  =3D *input-required *[input-optional]
 = ;   ; set of input elements encoded into one value

input-r= equired      =3D input-req ";"
input-req &= nbsp;         =3D input-type /
&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         input-media-feed /
            &nb= sp;         input-media-xfeed /
=             &nb= sp;         input-max-capacity /            &n= bsp;         input-level /
 = ;            &n= bsp;        input-status /
 &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       input-name

input-optional&= nbsp;     =3D input-opt ";"
input-opt           =3D i= nput-index /
          = ;            input-d= im-unit /
          &n= bsp;           input-unit= /
           &nb= sp;          input-media-name = /
           &nbs= p;          input-media-weight= /
           &nb= sp;          input-media-type = /
            &nb= sp;         input-media-color
input-type          =3D "typ= e" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha strin= g
    ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputT= ype
    ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
  &nb= sp; ; the *label* in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT]

input-media-feed&nb= sp;   =3D "mediafeed" "=3D"  1*[DIGIT / "-"]
  =   ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
    ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805]

in= put-media-xfeed   =3D "mediaxfeed" "=3D"  1*[DIGIT / "-"]    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly fro= m
    ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805]

input-max-capacity  =3D "maxcapacity" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
&nb= sp;   ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from    ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805]

input-level&n= bsp;        =3D "level" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT /= "-"]
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=
    ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805]

input-sta= tus        =3D "status" "=3D" 1*DIGIT    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly fro= m
    ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805]

input-name &nb= sp;        =3D "name" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&= nbsp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from    ; prtInputName in [RFC3805]


input-index = ;        =3D "index" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=
    ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805]

input-dim-unit&n= bsp;     =3D "dimunit" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
  &nb= sp; ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of
    ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from    ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805]

inp= ut-unit          =3D "unit" "= =3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e= .g., 'other') of
    ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly fr= om
    ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805]
input-media-name    =3D "medianame" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&n= bsp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
    ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805]

input-media-weig= ht  =3D "mediaweight" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
    ; in= teger value as a numeric string mapped directly from
    = ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805]

input-media-type    =3D "mediatype" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&nb= sp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
&= nbsp;   ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805]

input-media-color=    =3D "mediacolor" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from    ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805]

-------------= -----------------------------------------------------------

Notes:
(1) prtOutputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because
correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant.

(= 2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir,
pr= tOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped,
because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking
activ= ity in WIMS WG in 2006.

(3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOututPageDeli= veryOrientation, and
prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in "printer-ou= tput-tray", because
they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity
i= n WIMS WG in 2006.

(4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP= keywords are *not*
mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in = 2006.

            Tabl= e Y - Keywords for printer-output-tray

Printer MIB Object  = ;    IPP Datatype    IPP Keyword  &= nbsp;      Conformance
------------------ =      ------------    ----------- &n= bsp;       -----------
prtOutput...
Index (note 1)          Intege= r         index   &n= bsp;           OPTIONALType           &nb= sp;        String    = ;      type      &nb= sp;         REQUIRED
CapacityUni= t            String&= nbsp;         unit   = ;             R= ECOMMENDED
MaxCapacity        &n= bsp;    Integer       &nb= sp; maxcapacity         REQUIRED
RemainingCapacity       Integer  &n= bsp;      remaining     &= nbsp;     REQUIRED
Status    &nb= sp;            = Integer         status  =             REQUIRED=
Name           &= nbsp;        String   &nb= sp;      name      &= nbsp;         REQUIRED
VendorNam= e            &n= bsp; ---           &= nbsp; ---           =       ---
Model           &nbs= p;       ---     &nb= sp;       ---     &n= bsp;           ---
Ver= sion            = ;     ---       &nbs= p;     ---       &nb= sp;         ---
SerialNumber&nbs= p;           --- &nb= sp;           --- &n= bsp;            = ;   ---
Security       &nbs= p;        ---    &nb= sp;        ---    &n= bsp;            ---<= br> DimUnit (note 2)        ---  &= nbsp;          ---  =             &nb= sp;  ---
MaxDimFeedDir (note 2)  ---    &n= bsp;        ---    &= nbsp;            ---=
MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) ---       &n= bsp;     ---       &= nbsp;         ---
MinDimFeedDir = (note 2)  ---         &nb= sp;   ---         &n= bsp;       ---
MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) ---        =      ---        = ;         ---
StackingOrder (not= e 3)  String          sta= ckingorder       OPTIONAL
PageDeliveryOrie= ntation String          pagede= livery        OPTIONAL
  &n= bsp; (note 3)
Bursting           &= nbsp;    ---        =      ---        = ;         ---
Decollating &= nbsp;           --- =             --- = ;            &n= bsp;   ---
PageCollated      &nb= sp;     ---       &n= bsp;     ---       &= nbsp;         ---
OffsetStacking= (note 3) String          offs= etstacking      OPTIONAL


           &= nbsp;        Examples of printer-output-= tray

printer-output-tray[1] =3D
    type=3Dremovab= leBin;
    maxcapacity=3D500;remaining=3D-3;status=3D12;n= ame=3DLeftOutputBin;
    index=3D1;unit=3Dsheets;stacking= order=3DfirstToLast;
    pagedelivery=3DfaceDown;offsetstacking=3DnotPresent;
=
printer-output-tray[2] =3D
    type=3DremovableBin;    maxcapacity=3D300;remaining=3D-3;status=3D0;name=3DRig= htOutputBin;
    index=3D2;unit=3Dsheets;stackingorder=3D= firstToLast;
    pagedelivery=3DfaceDown;offsetstacking=3DnotPresent;
=

            = Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-tray" values

printer-output-tray= =3D *output-required *[output-optional]
    ; set of out= put elements encoded into one value

output-required     =3D output-req ";"
output-re= q          =3D output-type /            &= nbsp;         output-max-capacity /=
            = ;          output-remaining /<= br>            =           output-status /
            &nb= sp;         output-name

outp= ut-optional     =3D output-opt ";"
output-opt &= nbsp;        =3D output-index /
 = ;            &n= bsp;        output-unit /
  = ;            &n= bsp;       output-stacking-order /
 &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        output-page-delivery /
            &nb= sp;         output-offset-stacking<= br>
output-type         =3D "typ= e" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha strin= g
    ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType
 =    ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
    ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT]

out= put-max-capacity =3D "maxcapacity" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
  &nb= sp; ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
  = ;  ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805]

output-remaining    =3D "remaining" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"= ]
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly= from
    ; prtOutputRemainingCapacity in [RFC3805]
output-status       =3D "status" "=3D" 1*DI= GIT
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=
    ; prtOutputStatus in [RFC3805]

output-name&nb= sp;        =3D "name" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&= nbsp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
    ; prtOutputName in [RFC3805]


output-index&nbs= p;       =3D "index" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
 &= nbsp;  ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
&nb= sp;   ; prtOutputIndex in [RFC3805]

output-unit  = ;       =3D "unit" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of=
    ; prtOutputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirect= ly from
    ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC380= 5]

output-stacking-order =3D "stackingorder" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'firstToLas= t') of
    ; prtOutputStackingOrder in [RFC3805] mapped i= ndirectly from
    ; the *label* in PrtOutputStackingOrde= rTC in [RFC3805]

output-page-delivery =3D "pagedelivery" "=3D" 1*ALP= HA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') o= f
    ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] map= ped indirectly
    ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDel= iveryOrientationTC in
    ; [RFC3805]

output-offset-stacking =3D "offsetstacking" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
 &nbs= p;  ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPresent') of
&= nbsp;   ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly = from
    ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805]

------= ------------------------------------------------------------------


_______________________________________= ___________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, = PWG Chair


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Pete Zehler is understandably not in favor of moving away from the Printer MIB model of subunit elements - I agree with him. Bear in mind that the value of "output-bin" is simply the value of the "prtOutputName" element in Printer MIB - there's no obscurity about correlation. And "output-bin" as a sticky Job attribute was a late IPP addition and is poorly supported (in my experience). "output-bin-default" has the same value as "prtOutputDefaultIndex->prtOutputName". Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Nov 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > > Hi Mike, Sunday (6 November 2011) > > Below is ABNF for new "printer-input-tray" and "printer-output-tray" > string attributes (i.e., 1setOf (octetString) since they're fixed in > UTF-8 only and not variable charset). > > They are based on Printer MIB v2 conformance requirements, media source > key properties, and DMTF CIM ranking activity by WIMS WG in 2006. The > reference for that activity (I think we should add as an Informative > reference) is: > > DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, September 2006, > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/ > PrinterMibObjectsToAdd_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf > > Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included. Also > note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Object". > > Comments? > > > OK, so I am concerned that we are providing input tray information in two > different places. The current media-col-ready attribute provides most of > the information in printer-input-tray - as of JPS3 the only missing > information is the current level, max capacity, capacity unit, and status. > Seems like we could simply add those to the media-source-properties (or a > new media-status) collection member attribute instead? > > As for printer-output-tray, I'm not sure how a Client could correlate the > values with output-bin/output-bin-default/output-bin-supported? I almost > think we want an output-bin-ready or output-bin-status 1setOf collection > attribute instead that correlates the output tray information to output-bin > values. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Notes: > > (1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because > correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. > > (2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor are > RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important but > often unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usually > known). > > (3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because > because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight. > > (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* > mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. > > Table X - Keywords for printer-input-tray > > Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance > ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- > prtInput... > Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL > Type String type REQUIRED > DimUnit String dimunit RECOMMENDED > MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer mediafeed REQUIRED > MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer mediaxfeed REQUIRED > MediaDimFeedDirChosen --- --- --- > MediaDimXFeedDirChosen --- --- --- > CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED > MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED > CurrentLevel Integer level REQUIRED > Status Integer status REQUIRED > MediaName (note 2) String medianame RECOMMENDED > Name String name REQUIRED > VendorName --- --- --- > Model --- --- --- > Version --- --- --- > SerialNumber --- --- --- > Security --- --- --- > MediaWeight (note 3) Integer mediaweight OPTIONAL > MediaType (note 2) String mediatype RECOMMENDED > MediaColor (note 2) String mediacolor RECOMMENDED > MediaFormParts --- --- --- > MediaLoadTimeout --- --- --- > NextIndex --- --- --- > > > Examples of printer-input-tray > > printer-input-tray[1] = > type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; > mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; > maxcapacity=500;level=100;status=8;name=Tray1; > index=1;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; > medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; > mediatype=stationery;mediacolor=blue; > > printer-input-tray[2] = > type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; > mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; > maxcapacity=100;level=20;status=8;name=Tray2; > index=2;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; > medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; > mediatype=photographic;mediacolor=white; > > > Figure X - ABNF for "printer-input-tray" values > > printer-input-tray = *input-required *[input-optional] > ; set of input elements encoded into one value > > input-required = input-req ";" > input-req = input-type / > input-media-feed / > input-media-xfeed / > input-max-capacity / > input-level / > input-status / > input-name > > input-optional = input-opt ";" > input-opt = input-index / > input-dim-unit / > input-unit / > input-media-name / > input-media-weight / > input-media-type / > input-media-color > > input-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string > ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputType > ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] > > input-media-feed = "mediafeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] > > input-media-xfeed = "mediaxfeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] > > input-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] > > input-level = "level" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805] > > input-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805] > > input-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputName in [RFC3805] > > > input-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805] > > input-dim-unit = "dimunit" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of > ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805] > > input-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of > ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] > > input-media-name = "medianame" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805] > > input-media-weight = "mediaweight" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805] > > input-media-type = "mediatype" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805] > > input-media-color = "mediacolor" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Notes: > > (1) prtOutputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because > correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. > > (2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir, > prtOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped, > because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking > activity in WIMS WG in 2006. > > (3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOututPageDeliveryOrientation, and > prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because > they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity > in WIMS WG in 2006. > > (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* > mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. > > Table Y - Keywords for printer-output-tray > > Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance > ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- > prtOutput... > Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL > Type String type REQUIRED > CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED > MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED > RemainingCapacity Integer remaining REQUIRED > Status Integer status REQUIRED > Name String name REQUIRED > VendorName --- --- --- > Model --- --- --- > Version --- --- --- > SerialNumber --- --- --- > Security --- --- --- > DimUnit (note 2) --- --- --- > MaxDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > MinDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- > StackingOrder (note 3) String stackingorder OPTIONAL > PageDeliveryOrientation String pagedelivery OPTIONAL > (note 3) > Bursting --- --- --- > Decollating --- --- --- > PageCollated --- --- --- > OffsetStacking (note 3) String offsetstacking OPTIONAL > > > Examples of printer-output-tray > > printer-output-tray[1] = > type=removableBin; > maxcapacity=500;remaining=-3;status=12;name=LeftOutputBin; > index=1;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; > pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; > > printer-output-tray[2] = > type=removableBin; > maxcapacity=300;remaining=-3;status=0;name=RightOutputBin; > index=2;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; > pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; > > > Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-tray" values > > printer-output-tray = *output-required *[output-optional] > ; set of output elements encoded into one value > > output-required = output-req ";" > output-req = output-type / > output-max-capacity / > output-remaining / > output-status / > output-name > > output-optional = output-opt ";" > output-opt = output-index / > output-unit / > output-stacking-order / > output-page-delivery / > output-offset-stacking > > output-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string > ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType > ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] > > output-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] > > output-remaining = "remaining" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputRemainingCapacity in [RFC3805] > > output-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputStatus in [RFC3805] > > output-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputName in [RFC3805] > > > output-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT > ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from > ; prtOutputIndex in [RFC3805] > > output-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of > ; prtOutputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] > > output-stacking-order = "stackingorder" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'firstToLast') of > ; prtOutputStackingOrder in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PrtOutputStackingOrderTC in [RFC3805] > > output-page-delivery = "pagedelivery" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') of > ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly > ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDeliveryOrientationTC in > ; [RFC3805] > > output-offset-stacking = "offsetstacking" "=" 1*ALPHA > ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPresent') of > ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from > ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00032555767afae42504b17b5c8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

Needs discussion at IPP WG meeting and probably at PWG F2F.=

Pete Zehler is understandably not in favor of moving away from the<= br>Printer MIB model of subunit elements - I agree with him.

Bear in= mind that the value of "output-bin" is simply the value of
the "prtOutputName" element in Printer MIB - there's no obscu= rity
about correlation.

And "output-bin" as a sticky Jo= b attribute was a late IPP addition
and is poorly supported (in my expe= rience).=A0 "output-bin-default"
has the same value as "prtOutputDefaultIndex->prtOutputName".<= br>
Cheers,
- Ira


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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 2= 011, at 2:31 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sunday (6 Nove= mber 2011)

Below is ABNF for new "printer-input-tray" and "printer-= output-tray"
string attributes (i.e., 1setOf (octetString) since th= ey're fixed in
UTF-8 only and not variable charset).

They are based on Printer MIB = v2 conformance requirements, media source
key properties, and DMTF CIM r= anking activity by WIMS WG in 2006.=A0 The
reference for that activity (= I think we should add as an Informative
reference) is:

DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, = September 2006,
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/
=A0=A0=A0 PrinterMib= ObjectsToAdd_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf

Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included.=A0 Als= o
note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Obje= ct".

Comments?

OK, so I am= concerned that we are providing input tray information in two different pl= aces. =A0The current media-col-ready attribute provides most of the informa= tion in printer-input-tray - as of JPS3 the only missing information is the= current level, max capacity, capacity unit, and status. =A0Seems like we c= ould simply add those to the media-source-properties (or a new media-status= ) collection member attribute instead?

As for printer-output-tray, I'm not sure how a Clie= nt could correlate the values with output-bin/output-bin-default/output-bin= -supported? =A0I almost think we want an output-bin-ready or output-bin-sta= tus 1setOf collection attribute instead that correlates the output tray inf= ormation to output-bin values.

Cheers= ,
- Ira

---------------------------------------------------------= ---------------

Notes:

(1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray= ", because
correlation with the original MIB order is considered un= important.

(2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMed= iaColor are
RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important b= ut
often unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usual= ly
known).

(3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-i= nput-tray", because
because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight.

(4) Print= er MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not*
mapped, per = DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 Table X - Keywords for printer-input-tray

Printer MIB Object=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IPP Datatype=A0=A0=A0 IPP Keyword=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Conformance
------------------=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----= --------=A0=A0=A0 -----------=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -----------
prtInp= ut...
Index (note 1)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 index=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OPTIONAL
Type=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 type=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQ= UIRED
DimUnit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 dimunit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECOMM= ENDED
MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mediafeed= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mediaxfeed=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
MediaDimFeedDirChosen=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
MediaDimXFeedDirChosen= =A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
CapacityUnit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 unit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 RECOMMENDED
MaxCapacity=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 In= teger=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 maxcapacity=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED<= br> CurrentLevel=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 level=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
Status=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 status=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
MediaName = (note 2)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 medianame=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECOMMENDED
Name=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 name=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
VendorName=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
= Model=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 ---
Version=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
SerialNumber=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 ---
Security=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---<= br>MediaWeight (note 3)=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mediaweigh= t=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OPTIONAL
MediaType (note 2)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Str= ing=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 mediatype=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECO= MMENDED
MediaColor (note 2)=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 mediacolor=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECOMMENDED
MediaFormParts=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
MediaLoad= Timeout=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
NextIndex=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---


=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Examples of printer-input-= tray

printer-input-tray[1] =3D
=A0=A0=A0 type=3DsheetFeedAutoRemovableTra= y;
=A0=A0=A0 mediafeed=3D110000;mediaxfeed=3D85000;
=A0=A0=A0 maxcapa= city=3D500;level=3D100;status=3D8;name=3DTray1;
=A0=A0=A0 index=3D1;dimu= nit=3DtenThousandthsOfInches;unit=3Dsheets;
=A0=A0=A0 medianame=3Dna-letter;mediaweight=3D-2;
=A0=A0=A0 mediatype=3D= stationery;mediacolor=3Dblue;

printer-input-tray[2] =3D
=A0=A0=A0= type=3DsheetFeedAutoRemovableTray;
=A0=A0=A0 mediafeed=3D110000;mediaxf= eed=3D85000;
=A0=A0=A0 maxcapacity=3D100;level=3D20;status=3D8;name=3DTr= ay2;
=A0=A0=A0 index=3D2;dimunit=3DtenThousandthsOfInches;unit=3Dsheets;
=A0= =A0=A0 medianame=3Dna-letter;mediaweight=3D-2;
=A0=A0=A0 mediatype=3Dpho= tographic;mediacolor=3Dwhite;


=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = Figure X - ABNF for "printer-input-tray" values

printer-input-tray=A0 =3D *input-required *[input-optional]
=A0=A0= =A0 ; set of input elements encoded into one value

input-required=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D input-req ";"
input-req=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 =3D input-type /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-media-feed /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-media= -xfeed /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= input-max-capacity /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-level /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-status /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-name

input-optional=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 =3D input-opt ";"
input-opt=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D input-index /
=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-dim-unit /
=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-unit /=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-med= ia-name /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 input-media-weight /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-media-type /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 input-media= -color

input-type=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "type" &q= uot;=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string=A0=A0=A0 ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputType =A0=A0=A0 ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; the *label* = in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT]

input-media-feed=A0=A0=A0 =3D "m= ediafeed" "=3D"=A0 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
=A0=A0=A0 ; = integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805]

input-media= -xfeed=A0=A0 =3D "mediaxfeed" "=3D"=A0 1*[DIGIT / "= ;-"]
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly = from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805]

input-max-capacity=A0 =3D "maxcapacity" "=3D" 1*[DI= GIT / "-"]
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mappe= d directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805]

inpu= t-level=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "level" "=3D" 1*[DI= GIT / "-"]
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0= =A0=A0 ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805]

input-status=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 =3D "status" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
=A0=A0=A0 ; int= eger value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805]

input-name=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 =3D "name" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; strin= g value as an alpha string mapped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputName= in [RFC3805]


input-index=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "inde= x" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0= =A0=A0 ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805]

input-dim-unit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =3D "dimunit" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated v= alue as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
=A0=A0= =A0 ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805]

input-unit=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "unit" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0= =A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
=A0= =A0=A0 ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805]

input-media-n= ame=A0=A0=A0 =3D "medianame" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0= ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805]

input-media-weight=A0 =3D= "mediaweight" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
=A0= =A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0=A0= =A0 ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805]

input-media-type=A0=A0=A0 =3D "mediatype" "=3D" 1*A= LPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from=A0=A0=A0 ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805]

input-media-color=A0=A0 = =3D "mediacolor" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
=A0=A0= =A0 ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805]

------------------------------= ------------------------------------------

Notes:

(1) prtOutp= utIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because
correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant.

(= 2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir,
pr= tOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped,
because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM rankin= g
activity in WIMS WG in 2006.

(3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOut= utPageDeliveryOrientation, and
prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in &= quot;printer-output-tray", because
they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking act= ivity
in WIMS WG in 2006.

(4) Printer MIB objects without corresp= onding IPP keywords are *not*
mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in W= IMS WG in 2006.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Table Y - Keywords for printer-output= -tray

Printer MIB Object=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IPP Datatype=A0=A0=A0 IPP Ke= yword=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Conformance
------------------=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 ------------=A0=A0=A0 -----------=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -----------prtOutput...
Index (note 1)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 i= ndex=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OPTIONAL
Type=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 type=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
Capaci= tyUnit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 u= nit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RECOMMENDED
MaxCapacity= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 maxcap= acity=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
RemainingCapacity=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 remaini= ng=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
Status=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Integer=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 status=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
Name=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 name=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 REQUIRED
VendorName=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
Model=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 ---
Version=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
SerialNumber=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 ---
Security=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
DimUnit (note 2)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
MaxDimFeedDi= r (note 2)=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) ---=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 ---
MinDimFeedDir (note 2)=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
StackingOrder (note 3)=A0= String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 stackingorder=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OPTIONAL=
PageDeliveryOrientation String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 pagedelivery= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OPTIONAL
=A0=A0=A0 (note 3)
Bursting=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---<= br>Decollating=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
= PageCollated=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 ---=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ---
Off= setStacking (note 3) String=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 offsetstacking=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 OPTIONAL


=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Examples = of printer-output-tray

printer-output-tray[1] =3D
=A0=A0=A0 type= =3DremovableBin;
=A0=A0=A0 maxcapacity=3D500;remaining=3D-3;status=3D12;= name=3DLeftOutputBin;
=A0=A0=A0 index=3D1;unit=3Dsheets;stackingorder=3D= firstToLast;
=A0=A0=A0 pagedelivery=3DfaceDown;offsetstacking=3DnotPresent;

print= er-output-tray[2] =3D
=A0=A0=A0 type=3DremovableBin;
=A0=A0=A0 maxcap= acity=3D300;remaining=3D-3;status=3D0;name=3DRightOutputBin;
=A0=A0=A0 i= ndex=3D2;unit=3Dsheets;stackingorder=3DfirstToLast;
=A0=A0=A0 pagedelivery=3DfaceDown;offsetstacking=3DnotPresent;


= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-= tray" values

printer-output-tray =3D *output-required *[output-= optional]
=A0=A0=A0 ; set of output elements encoded into one value

output-required=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D output-req ";"
output-req= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D output-type /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-max-capacity /
=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-remaining /=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-st= atus /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-name=

output-optional=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D output-opt ";"
output-= opt=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D output-index /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-unit /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-stacking-order /=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-pag= e-delivery /
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 output-offs= et-stacking

output-type=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "type"= "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string=
=A0=A0=A0 ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType
=A0=A0= =A0 ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT]

output-max-c= apacity =3D "maxcapacity" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"= ;]
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805]

output-remaining=A0=A0=A0 =3D "remaining" "=3D" 1*[= DIGIT / "-"]
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string map= ped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputRemainingCapacity in [RFC3805]
output-status=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "status" "=3D"= 1*DIGIT
=A0=A0=A0 ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0= =A0=A0 ; prtOutputStatus in [RFC3805]

output-name=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 =3D "name" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; string v= alue as an alpha string mapped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputName in [RFC3805]


output-index=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 =3D "index" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
=A0=A0=A0 ; inte= ger value as a numeric string mapped directly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutput= Index in [RFC3805]

output-unit=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D "uni= t" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of<= br>=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from=A0=A0=A0 ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805]

output-st= acking-order =3D "stackingorder" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'firstToLast'= ;) of
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputStackingOrder in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly = from
=A0=A0=A0 ; the *label* in PrtOutputStackingOrderTC in [RFC3805]
output-page-delivery =3D "pagedelivery" "=3D" 1*AL= PHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') of=
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] mapped indire= ctly
=A0=A0=A0 ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDeliveryOrientationTC = in
=A0=A0=A0 ; [RFC3805]

output-offset-stacking =3D "offsetstacking" "=3D" 1= *ALPHA
=A0=A0=A0 ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPr= esent') of
=A0=A0=A0 ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped i= ndirectly from
=A0=A0=A0 ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805]

---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------


__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair



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Monday 14 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler): Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=PwgSemanticModel&role=attend&pw=LetMeIn URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join Meeting ID: PwgSemanticModel Entry Code: LetMeIn *** Main Objective - Review IPP JPS3 *** Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf (3) Status of IANA IPP Registry corrections - http://www.pwg.org/ipp/ipp-registrations.xml - Ira waiting for IANA diff package from Mike (4) Status of IPP Interoperability Event - started at October F2F - http://www.cups.org/software.php (CUPS 'ipptool' download) - issues - next release for issues found by PWG users? (5) Status of other IPP Everywhere specs - if available (6) Complete review of IPP Job and Printer Extensions - Set 3 (JPS3) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013-rev.pdf - resume at section 7.4 media-col - printer-supply ABNF error (code for type) - printer-input-tray versus media-col and media-source - printer-output-tray versus output-bin-xxx (7) Next Steps - IPP WG on Monday 28 November - review Cloud and IPP December F2F slides - IPP WG on Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in Austin, TX Cheers, - Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175cac2e7597cd04b1913dd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday for TWO HOURS!

=A0 Monday 14 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST

=A0 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

=A0 Attendee Access Code: *******#
=A0 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.

Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler):

=A0 Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DPwgSemanticModel&rol= e=3Dattend&pw=3DLetMeIn
=A0 URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join
=A0 Meeting ID: PwgS= emanticModel
=A0 Entry Code: LetMeIn

*** Main Objective - Review IPP JPS3 ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
=A0 =A0=A0 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting
=A0=A0 =A0 - = ftp://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf

(3) Status of IANA IPP Registry corrections
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - http://= www.pwg.org/ipp/ipp-registrations.xml
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Ira waiting for= IANA diff package from Mike

(4) Status of IPP Interoperability Event - started at October F2F
= =A0=A0=A0=A0 - http://www.cups.org/software.php (CUPS 'ipptool' download)=A0=A0=A0=A0 - issues - next release for issues found by PWG users?

(5) Status of other IPP Everywhere specs
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - if available=

(6) Complete review of IPP Job and Printer Extensions - Set 3 (JPS3)=A0=A0=A0=A0 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/= wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013-rev.pdf
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - resume at section 7.4 media-col
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - printer-su= pply ABNF error (code for type)
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - printer-input-tray versus= media-col and media-source
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - printer-output-tray versus o= utput-bin-xxx
=A0=A0=A0=A0
(7) Next Steps
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP WG on Monday 28 Novem= ber - review Cloud and IPP December F2F slides
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP WG on = Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in Austin, TX

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair)

Ira McDonald (Mus= ician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WGSecretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IP= P WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded System= s Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roo= f Music/High North Inc
http://sites.googl= e.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
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Also, the existing media-source-properties member attribute was proposed by Pete; as you say this needs further discussion (probably a good hour of the f2f) Sent from my iPad On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Needs discussion at IPP WG meeting and probably at PWG F2F. > > Pete Zehler is understandably not in favor of moving away from the > Printer MIB model of subunit elements - I agree with him. > > Bear in mind that the value of "output-bin" is simply the value of > the "prtOutputName" element in Printer MIB - there's no obscurity > about correlation. > > And "output-bin" as a sticky Job attribute was a late IPP addition > and is poorly supported (in my experience). "output-bin-default" > has the same value as "prtOutputDefaultIndex->prtOutputName". > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Nov 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, Sunday (6 November 2011) >> >> Below is ABNF for new "printer-input-tray" and "printer-output-tray" >> string attributes (i.e., 1setOf (octetString) since they're fixed in >> UTF-8 only and not variable charset). >> >> They are based on Printer MIB v2 conformance requirements, media source >> key properties, and DMTF CIM ranking activity by WIMS WG in 2006. The >> reference for that activity (I think we should add as an Informative >> reference) is: >> >> DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, September 2006, >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/ >> PrinterMibObjectsToAdd_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf >> >> Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included. Also >> note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Object". >> >> Comments? > > OK, so I am concerned that we are providing input tray information in two different places. The current media-col-ready attribute provides most of the information in printer-input-tray - as of JPS3 the only missing information is the current level, max capacity, capacity unit, and status. Seems like we could simply add those to the media-source-properties (or a new media-status) collection member attribute instead? > > As for printer-output-tray, I'm not sure how a Client could correlate the values with output-bin/output-bin-default/output-bin-supported? I almost think we want an output-bin-ready or output-bin-status 1setOf collection attribute instead that correlates the output tray information to output-bin values. > >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Notes: >> >> (1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because >> correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. >> >> (2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor are >> RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important but >> often unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usually >> known). >> >> (3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", because >> because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight. >> >> (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* >> mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. >> >> Table X - Keywords for printer-input-tray >> >> Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance >> ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- >> prtInput... >> Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL >> Type String type REQUIRED >> DimUnit String dimunit RECOMMENDED >> MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer mediafeed REQUIRED >> MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer mediaxfeed REQUIRED >> MediaDimFeedDirChosen --- --- --- >> MediaDimXFeedDirChosen --- --- --- >> CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED >> MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED >> CurrentLevel Integer level REQUIRED >> Status Integer status REQUIRED >> MediaName (note 2) String medianame RECOMMENDED >> Name String name REQUIRED >> VendorName --- --- --- >> Model --- --- --- >> Version --- --- --- >> SerialNumber --- --- --- >> Security --- --- --- >> MediaWeight (note 3) Integer mediaweight OPTIONAL >> MediaType (note 2) String mediatype RECOMMENDED >> MediaColor (note 2) String mediacolor RECOMMENDED >> MediaFormParts --- --- --- >> MediaLoadTimeout --- --- --- >> NextIndex --- --- --- >> >> >> Examples of printer-input-tray >> >> printer-input-tray[1] = >> type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; >> mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; >> maxcapacity=500;level=100;status=8;name=Tray1; >> index=1;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; >> medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; >> mediatype=stationery;mediacolor=blue; >> >> printer-input-tray[2] = >> type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray; >> mediafeed=110000;mediaxfeed=85000; >> maxcapacity=100;level=20;status=8;name=Tray2; >> index=2;dimunit=tenThousandthsOfInches;unit=sheets; >> medianame=na-letter;mediaweight=-2; >> mediatype=photographic;mediacolor=white; >> >> >> Figure X - ABNF for "printer-input-tray" values >> >> printer-input-tray = *input-required *[input-optional] >> ; set of input elements encoded into one value >> >> input-required = input-req ";" >> input-req = input-type / >> input-media-feed / >> input-media-xfeed / >> input-max-capacity / >> input-level / >> input-status / >> input-name >> >> input-optional = input-opt ";" >> input-opt = input-index / >> input-dim-unit / >> input-unit / >> input-media-name / >> input-media-weight / >> input-media-type / >> input-media-color >> >> input-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string >> ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputType >> ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] >> >> input-media-feed = "mediafeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] >> >> input-media-xfeed = "mediaxfeed" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805] >> >> input-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] >> >> input-level = "level" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805] >> >> input-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805] >> >> input-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputName in [RFC3805] >> >> >> input-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805] >> >> input-dim-unit = "dimunit" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of >> ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805] >> >> input-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of >> ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] >> >> input-media-name = "medianame" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805] >> >> input-media-weight = "mediaweight" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805] >> >> input-media-type = "mediatype" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805] >> >> input-media-color = "mediacolor" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from >> ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805] >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Notes: >> >> (1) prtOutputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because >> correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant. >> >> (2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir, >> prtOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped, >> because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking >> activity in WIMS WG in 2006. >> >> (3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOututPageDeliveryOrientation, and >> prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because >> they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity >> in WIMS WG in 2006. >> >> (4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not* >> mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006. >> >> Table Y - Keywords for printer-output-tray >> >> Printer MIB Object IPP Datatype IPP Keyword Conformance >> ------------------ ------------ ----------- ----------- >> prtOutput... >> Index (note 1) Integer index OPTIONAL >> Type String type REQUIRED >> CapacityUnit String unit RECOMMENDED >> MaxCapacity Integer maxcapacity REQUIRED >> RemainingCapacity Integer remaining REQUIRED >> Status Integer status REQUIRED >> Name String name REQUIRED >> VendorName --- --- --- >> Model --- --- --- >> Version --- --- --- >> SerialNumber --- --- --- >> Security --- --- --- >> DimUnit (note 2) --- --- --- >> MaxDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- >> MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- >> MinDimFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- >> MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) --- --- --- >> StackingOrder (note 3) String stackingorder OPTIONAL >> PageDeliveryOrientation String pagedelivery OPTIONAL >> (note 3) >> Bursting --- --- --- >> Decollating --- --- --- >> PageCollated --- --- --- >> OffsetStacking (note 3) String offsetstacking OPTIONAL >> >> >> Examples of printer-output-tray >> >> printer-output-tray[1] = >> type=removableBin; >> maxcapacity=500;remaining=-3;status=12;name=LeftOutputBin; >> index=1;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; >> pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; >> >> printer-output-tray[2] = >> type=removableBin; >> maxcapacity=300;remaining=-3;status=0;name=RightOutputBin; >> index=2;unit=sheets;stackingorder=firstToLast; >> pagedelivery=faceDown;offsetstacking=notPresent; >> >> >> Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-tray" values >> >> printer-output-tray = *output-required *[output-optional] >> ; set of output elements encoded into one value >> >> output-required = output-req ";" >> output-req = output-type / >> output-max-capacity / >> output-remaining / >> output-status / >> output-name >> >> output-optional = output-opt ";" >> output-opt = output-index / >> output-unit / >> output-stacking-order / >> output-page-delivery / >> output-offset-stacking >> >> output-type = "type" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string >> ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType >> ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT] >> >> output-max-capacity = "maxcapacity" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805] >> >> output-remaining = "remaining" "=" 1*[DIGIT / "-"] >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtOutputRemainingCapacity in [RFC3805] >> >> output-status = "status" "=" 1*DIGIT >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtOutputStatus in [RFC3805] >> >> output-name = "name" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from >> ; prtOutputName in [RFC3805] >> >> >> output-index = "index" "=" 1*DIGIT >> ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from >> ; prtOutputIndex in [RFC3805] >> >> output-unit = "unit" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of >> ; prtOutputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805] >> >> output-stacking-order = "stackingorder" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'firstToLast') of >> ; prtOutputStackingOrder in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PrtOutputStackingOrderTC in [RFC3805] >> >> output-page-delivery = "pagedelivery" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') of >> ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly >> ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDeliveryOrientationTC in >> ; [RFC3805] >> >> output-offset-stacking = "offsetstacking" "=" 1*ALPHA >> ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPresent') of >> ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from >> ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805] >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_l6gMWXRr6Ptx3UonyKfQwQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Ira,

=
WRT output-bin vs prtOutputName, I have never seen a printer use the s= ame names in both places (not that many printers support output-bin in the = first place...) particularly for the usual case of a single output bin wher= e the name is face-up or face-down.

Also, the exis= ting media-source-properties member attribute was proposed by Pete; as you = say this needs further discussion (probably a good hour of the f2f)

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Ira Mc= Donald <blueroofmusic@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Hi= Mike,

Needs discussion at IPP WG meeting and probably at PWG F2F.
Pete Zehler is understandably not in favor of moving away from thePrinter MIB model of subunit elements - I agree with him.

Bear in m= ind that the value of "output-bin" is simply the value of
the "prtOutputName" element in Printer MIB - there's no obscurity
about = correlation.

And "output-bin" as a sticky Job attribute was a late I= PP addition
and is poorly supported (in my experience).  "output-b= in-default"
has the same value as "prtOutputDefaultIndex->prtOutputName".

Che= ers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Ch= air - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
On Nov 6, 2= 011, at 2:31 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,         &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;    Sunday (6 November 2011)

Below is ABNF for new "printer-input-tray" and "printer-output-tray"string attributes (i.e., 1setOf (octetString) since they're fixed in
UTF-8 only and not variable charset).

They are based on Printer MIB = v2 conformance requirements, media source
key properties, and DMTF CIM r= anking activity by WIMS WG in 2006.  The
reference for that activit= y (I think we should add as an Informative
reference) is:

DMTF CIM Ranking of Printer MIB v2 Objects, WIMS WG, = September 2006,
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/
    P= rinterMibObjectsToAdd_conclusions_20060921_F.pdf

Mike - note the attribute conformance tables have been included.  = Also
note I fixed the table headers to more accurate "Printer MIB Object= ".

Comments?

OK, so I am concer= ned that we are providing input tray information in two different places. &= nbsp;The current media-col-ready attribute provides most of the information= in printer-input-tray - as of JPS3 the only missing information is the cur= rent level, max capacity, capacity unit, and status.  Seems like we co= uld simply add those to the media-source-properties (or a new media-status)= collection member attribute instead?

As for printer-output-tray, I'm not sure how a Client c= ould correlate the values with output-bin/output-bin-default/output-bin-sup= ported?  I almost think we want an output-bin-ready or output-bin-stat= us 1setOf collection attribute instead that correlates the output tray info= rmation to output-bin values.

Cheers= ,
- Ira

---------------------------------------------------------= ---------------

Notes:

(1) prtInputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", be= cause
correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant.=

(2) prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor ar= e
RECOMMENDED in "printer-input-tray", because they are important but
ofte= n unknown to the printer (while loaded media dimensions are usually
know= n).

(3) prtInputMediaWeight is OPTIONAL in "printer-input-tray", bec= ause
because most Printers can't sense loaded media weight.

(4) Printer M= IB objects without corresponding IPP keywords are *not*
mapped, per DMTF= CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in 2006.

    &n= bsp;       Table X - Keywords for printer-inp= ut-tray

Printer MIB Object      IPP Datatype &nbs= p;  IPP Keyword         Confor= mance
------------------      ------------ = ;   -----------         -= ----------
prtInput...
Index (note 1)     &n= bsp;    Integer       &nb= sp; index           =     OPTIONAL
Type            = ;        String    &= nbsp;     type       = ;         REQUIRED
DimUnit =             &nb= sp;   String         = ; dimunit           =   RECOMMENDED
MediaDimFeedDirDeclared Integer   &nbs= p;     mediafeed      &nb= sp;    REQUIRED
MediaDimXFeedDirDeclared Integer &nb= sp;      mediaxfeed     &= nbsp;    REQUIRED
MediaDimFeedDirChosen   ---      &n= bsp;      ---      &= nbsp;          ---
MediaDim= XFeedDirChosen  ---        &nb= sp;    ---        &n= bsp;        ---
CapacityUnit &nb= sp;          String  = ;        unit    &nb= sp;           RECOMMENDED=
MaxCapacity          =    Integer         maxcap= acity         REQUIRED
CurrentLevel          &nb= sp; Integer         level &nbs= p;             = REQUIRED
Status         &nb= sp;        Integer   &nbs= p;     status       =        REQUIRED
MediaName (note 2) &n= bsp;    String       &nbs= p;  medianame         &nb= sp; RECOMMENDED
Name        &nbs= p;           String =          name   &nbs= p;            REQUIR= ED
VendorName           = ;   ---         &nbs= p;   ---         &nb= sp;       ---
Model    = ;            &n= bsp;  ---          &= nbsp;  ---          =        ---
Version    =              --= -             -= --            &= nbsp;    ---
SerialNumber     &n= bsp;      ---      &= nbsp;      ---      =            ---
Security           &= nbsp;    ---        =      ---        = ;         ---
MediaWeight (note = 3)    Integer        = ; mediaweight         OPTIONAL
M= ediaType (note 2)      String   &nb= sp;      mediatype     &n= bsp;     RECOMMENDED
MediaColor (note 2)  =    String          m= ediacolor          RECOMMENDED=
MediaFormParts          ---&nb= sp;            ---&n= bsp;            = ;    ---
MediaLoadTimeout     &n= bsp;  ---          &= nbsp;  ---          =        ---
NextIndex   &nbs= p;           --- &nb= sp;           --- &n= bsp;            = ;   ---


       &nbs= p;            Exampl= es of printer-input-tray

printer-input-tray[1] =3D
    type=3DsheetFeedAutoRem= ovableTray;
    mediafeed=3D110000;mediaxfeed=3D85000;    maxcapacity=3D500;level=3D100;status=3D8;name=3DTray1;<= br>    index=3D1;dimunit=3DtenThousandthsOfInches;unit=3Dshe= ets;
    medianame=3Dna-letter;mediaweight=3D-2;
  &= nbsp; mediatype=3Dstationery;mediacolor=3Dblue;

printer-input-tray[2= ] =3D
    type=3DsheetFeedAutoRemovableTray;
 &nb= sp;  mediafeed=3D110000;mediaxfeed=3D85000;
    maxc= apacity=3D100;level=3D20;status=3D8;name=3DTray2;
    index=3D2;dimunit=3DtenThousandthsOfInches;unit=3Dsheets= ;
    medianame=3Dna-letter;mediaweight=3D-2;
 &n= bsp;  mediatype=3Dphotographic;mediacolor=3Dwhite;


 &n= bsp;          Figure X - ABNF = for "printer-input-tray" values

printer-input-tray  =3D *input-required *[input-optional]
 = ;   ; set of input elements encoded into one value

input-r= equired      =3D input-req ";"
input-req &= nbsp;         =3D input-type /
&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         input-media-feed /
            &nb= sp;         input-media-xfeed /
=             &nb= sp;         input-max-capacity /            &n= bsp;         input-level /
 = ;            &n= bsp;        input-status /
 &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       input-name

input-optional&= nbsp;     =3D input-opt ";"
input-opt           =3D i= nput-index /
          = ;            input-d= im-unit /
          &n= bsp;           input-unit= /
           &nb= sp;          input-media-name = /
           &nbs= p;          input-media-weight= /
           &nb= sp;          input-media-type = /
            &nb= sp;         input-media-color
input-type          =3D "typ= e" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha strin= g
    ; (e.g., 'sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray') of prtInputT= ype
    ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
  &nb= sp; ; the *label* in PrtInputTypeTC in [IANAPRT]

input-media-feed&nb= sp;   =3D "mediafeed" "=3D"  1*[DIGIT / "-"]
  =   ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
    ; prtInputMediaDimFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805]

in= put-media-xfeed   =3D "mediaxfeed" "=3D"  1*[DIGIT / "-"]    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly fro= m
    ; prtInputMediaDimXFeedDirDeclared in [RFC3805]

input-max-capacity  =3D "maxcapacity" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
&nb= sp;   ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from    ; prtInputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805]

input-level&n= bsp;        =3D "level" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT /= "-"]
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=
    ; prtInputCurrentLevel in [RFC3805]

input-sta= tus        =3D "status" "=3D" 1*DIGIT    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly fro= m
    ; prtInputStatus in [RFC3805]

input-name &nb= sp;        =3D "name" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&= nbsp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from    ; prtInputName in [RFC3805]


input-index = ;        =3D "index" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=
    ; prtInputIndex in [RFC3805]

input-dim-unit&n= bsp;     =3D "dimunit" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
  &nb= sp; ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of
    ; prtInputDimUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from    ; the *label* in PrtMediaUnitTC in [RFC3805]

inp= ut-unit          =3D "unit" "= =3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e= .g., 'other') of
    ; prtInputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly fr= om
    ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC3805]
input-media-name    =3D "medianame" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&n= bsp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
    ; prtInputMediaName in [RFC3805]

input-media-weig= ht  =3D "mediaweight" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
    ; in= teger value as a numeric string mapped directly from
    = ; prtInputMediaWeight in [RFC3805]

input-media-type    =3D "mediatype" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&nb= sp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
&= nbsp;   ; prtInputMediaType in [RFC3805]

input-media-color=    =3D "mediacolor" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from    ; prtInputMediaColor in [RFC3805]

-------------= -----------------------------------------------------------

Notes:
(1) prtOutputIndex is OPTIONAL in "printer-output-tray", because
correlation with the original MIB order is considered unimportant.

(= 2) prtOutputDimUnit, prtOutputMaxDimFeedDir, prtOutputMaxDimXFeedDir,
pr= tOutputMinDimFeedDir, and prtOutputMinDimXFeedDir are *not* mapped,
because they were rated "C" (low priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking
activ= ity in WIMS WG in 2006.

(3) prtOutputStackingOrder, prtOututPageDeli= veryOrientation, and
prtOutputOffsetStacking are OPTIONAL in "printer-ou= tput-tray", because
they were rated "B" (medium priority) in the DMTF CIM ranking activity
i= n WIMS WG in 2006.

(4) Printer MIB objects without corresponding IPP= keywords are *not*
mapped, per DMTF CIM ranking activity in WIMS WG in = 2006.

            Tabl= e Y - Keywords for printer-output-tray

Printer MIB Object  = ;    IPP Datatype    IPP Keyword  &= nbsp;      Conformance
------------------ =      ------------    ----------- &n= bsp;       -----------
prtOutput...
Index (note 1)          Intege= r         index   &n= bsp;           OPTIONALType           &nb= sp;        String    = ;      type      &nb= sp;         REQUIRED
CapacityUni= t            String&= nbsp;         unit   = ;             R= ECOMMENDED
MaxCapacity        &n= bsp;    Integer       &nb= sp; maxcapacity         REQUIRED
RemainingCapacity       Integer  &n= bsp;      remaining     &= nbsp;     REQUIRED
Status    &nb= sp;            = Integer         status  =             REQUIRED=
Name           &= nbsp;        String   &nb= sp;      name      &= nbsp;         REQUIRED
VendorNam= e            &n= bsp; ---           &= nbsp; ---           =       ---
Model           &nbs= p;       ---     &nb= sp;       ---     &n= bsp;           ---
Ver= sion            = ;     ---       &nbs= p;     ---       &nb= sp;         ---
SerialNumber&nbs= p;           --- &nb= sp;           --- &n= bsp;            = ;   ---
Security       &nbs= p;        ---    &nb= sp;        ---    &n= bsp;            ---<= br> DimUnit (note 2)        ---  &= nbsp;          ---  =             &nb= sp;  ---
MaxDimFeedDir (note 2)  ---    &n= bsp;        ---    &= nbsp;            ---=
MaxDimXFeedDir (note 2) ---       &n= bsp;     ---       &= nbsp;         ---
MinDimFeedDir = (note 2)  ---         &nb= sp;   ---         &n= bsp;       ---
MinDimXFeedDir (note 2) ---        =      ---        = ;         ---
StackingOrder (not= e 3)  String          sta= ckingorder       OPTIONAL
PageDeliveryOrie= ntation String          pagede= livery        OPTIONAL
  &n= bsp; (note 3)
Bursting           &= nbsp;    ---        =      ---        = ;         ---
Decollating &= nbsp;           --- =             --- = ;            &n= bsp;   ---
PageCollated      &nb= sp;     ---       &n= bsp;     ---       &= nbsp;         ---
OffsetStacking= (note 3) String          offs= etstacking      OPTIONAL


           &= nbsp;        Examples of printer-output-= tray

printer-output-tray[1] =3D
    type=3Dremovab= leBin;
    maxcapacity=3D500;remaining=3D-3;status=3D12;n= ame=3DLeftOutputBin;
    index=3D1;unit=3Dsheets;stacking= order=3DfirstToLast;
    pagedelivery=3DfaceDown;offsetstacking=3DnotPresent;
=
printer-output-tray[2] =3D
    type=3DremovableBin;    maxcapacity=3D300;remaining=3D-3;status=3D0;name=3DRig= htOutputBin;
    index=3D2;unit=3Dsheets;stackingorder=3D= firstToLast;
    pagedelivery=3DfaceDown;offsetstacking=3DnotPresent;
=

            = Figure Y - ABNF for "printer-output-tray" values

printer-output-tray= =3D *output-required *[output-optional]
    ; set of out= put elements encoded into one value

output-required     =3D output-req ";"
output-re= q          =3D output-type /            &= nbsp;         output-max-capacity /=
            = ;          output-remaining /<= br>            =           output-status /
            &nb= sp;         output-name

outp= ut-optional     =3D output-opt ";"
output-opt &= nbsp;        =3D output-index /
 = ;            &n= bsp;        output-unit /
  = ;            &n= bsp;       output-stacking-order /
 &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        output-page-delivery /
            &nb= sp;         output-offset-stacking<= br>
output-type         =3D "typ= e" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha strin= g
    ; (e.g., 'removableBin') of prtOutputType
 =    ; in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly from
    ; the *label* in PrtOutputTypeTC in [IANAPRT]

out= put-max-capacity =3D "maxcapacity" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"]
  &nb= sp; ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
  = ;  ; prtOutputMaxCapacity in [RFC3805]

output-remaining    =3D "remaining" "=3D" 1*[DIGIT / "-"= ]
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly= from
    ; prtOutputRemainingCapacity in [RFC3805]
output-status       =3D "status" "=3D" 1*DI= GIT
    ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from=
    ; prtOutputStatus in [RFC3805]

output-name&nb= sp;        =3D "name" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
&= nbsp;   ; string value as an alpha string mapped directly from
    ; prtOutputName in [RFC3805]


output-index&nbs= p;       =3D "index" "=3D" 1*DIGIT
 &= nbsp;  ; integer value as a numeric string mapped directly from
&nb= sp;   ; prtOutputIndex in [RFC3805]

output-unit  = ;       =3D "unit" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'other') of=
    ; prtOutputCapacityUnit in [RFC3805] mapped indirect= ly from
    ; the *label* in PrtCapacityUnitTC in [RFC380= 5]

output-stacking-order =3D "stackingorder" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'firstToLas= t') of
    ; prtOutputStackingOrder in [RFC3805] mapped i= ndirectly from
    ; the *label* in PrtOutputStackingOrde= rTC in [RFC3805]

output-page-delivery =3D "pagedelivery" "=3D" 1*ALP= HA
    ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'faceUp') o= f
    ; prtOutputPageDeliveryOrientation in [RFC3805] map= ped indirectly
    ; from the *label* in PrtOutputPageDel= iveryOrientationTC in
    ; [RFC3805]

output-offset-stacking =3D "offsetstacking" "=3D" 1*ALPHA
 &nbs= p;  ; enumerated value as an alpha string (e.g., 'notPresent') of
&= nbsp;   ; prtOutputOffsetStacking in [RFC3805] mapped indirectly = from
    ; the *label* in PresentOnOff in [RFC3805]

------= ------------------------------------------------------------------


__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair



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Systemu Administrator From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Nov 14 08:57:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61F311E82E1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:57:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.301, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bp-i3Ey-VoLm for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490C21F0CB9 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536A79539; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:57:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D96479537 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by fagn18 with SMTP id n18so3963202fag.5 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:56:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nB8xntSUVJomVUD6LRREMt5qaX1jihfpas/uYIfcBFk=; b=ZdtLm83zvWHKwqHG1pWA7e5PLxFe4ZLKcMb65pQkppFuBxLu3Ynk8GHg+ZNT5E7qYo 6FX6gl/zJjuj8BDmeOnpXB+RUrSULWpbH9+ZHg8lbkimNW5e9qqh7JRa0LIX39TNLk5J 7DG+1qrU/OHiLkJSAxYHObiRxLKi665svvhYY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.148.78 with SMTP id o14mr6862765bkv.89.1321289805254; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.124.203 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:56:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Paul Tykodi , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Re: CANCELED - IPP Agenda - 1-3pm EST Monday 14 November 2011 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0303095870==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: D536A79539.A9F37 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0303095870== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cac2e7ccf2204b1b4c179 --0015175cac2e7ccf2204b1b4c179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, IPP WG meeting is canceled for today - sorry for late notice. 2 weeks from now we will review IPP and Cloud Imaging slides for the PWG F2F the following week. I just spoke with Mike Sweet on the phone and he will accept all the changes we have made through section 7.3 of JPS3 and issue a new version - we'll review along w/ PWG Raster at the F2F. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday for TWO HOURS! > > Monday 14 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST > > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) > > Attendee Access Code: *******# > Attendee ID Code: # (empty) > > If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. > > Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler): > > Link: > https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=PwgSemanticModel&role=attend&pw=LetMeIn > URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join > Meeting ID: PwgSemanticModel > Entry Code: LetMeIn > > *** Main Objective - Review IPP JPS3 *** > > Agenda: > > (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker > - Mike? > > (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting > - > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf > > (3) Status of IANA IPP Registry corrections > - http://www.pwg.org/ipp/ipp-registrations.xml > - Ira waiting for IANA diff package from Mike > > (4) Status of IPP Interoperability Event - started at October F2F > - http://www.cups.org/software.php (CUPS 'ipptool' download) > - issues - next release for issues found by PWG users? > > (5) Status of other IPP Everywhere specs > - if available > > (6) Complete review of IPP Job and Printer Extensions - Set 3 (JPS3) > - > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013-rev.pdf > - resume at section 7.4 media-col > - printer-supply ABNF error (code for type) > - printer-input-tray versus media-col and media-source > - printer-output-tray versus output-bin-xxx > > (7) Next Steps > - IPP WG on Monday 28 November - review Cloud and IPP December F2F > slides > - IPP WG on Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in > Austin, TX > > Cheers, > - Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair) > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175cac2e7ccf2204b1b4c179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

IPP WG meeting is canceled for today - sorry for late notice.
2 weeks from now we will review IPP and Cloud Imaging slides for
th= e PWG F2F the following week.

I just spoke with Mike Sweet on the ph= one and he will accept all the
changes we have made through section 7.3 of JPS3 and issue a new
version= - we'll review along w/ PWG Raster at the F2F.

Cheers,
- Ira=

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair= - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://si= tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-9= 44-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ira McD= onald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday for TWO HOURS!

=A0 Monday 14 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST

=A0 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

=A0 Attendee Access Code: *******#
=A0 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.

Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler):

=A0 Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DPwgSemanticModel&rol= e=3Dattend&pw=3DLetMeIn
=A0 URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join
=A0 Meeting ID: PwgS= emanticModel
=A0 Entry Code: LetMeIn

*** Main Objective - Review IPP JPS3 ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
=A0 =A0=A0 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting
=A0=A0 =A0 - = ftp://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf

(3) Status of IANA IPP Registry corrections
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - http://= www.pwg.org/ipp/ipp-registrations.xml
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Ira waiting for= IANA diff package from Mike

(4) Status of IPP Interoperability Event - started at October F2F
= =A0=A0=A0=A0 - http://www.cups.org/software.php (CUPS 'ipptool' download)=A0=A0=A0=A0 - issues - next release for issues found by PWG users?

(5) Status of other IPP Everywhere specs
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - if available=

(6) Complete review of IPP Job and Printer Extensions - Set 3 (JPS3)=A0=A0=A0=A0 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/= wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111013-rev.pdf
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - resume at section 7.4 media-col
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - printer-su= pply ABNF error (code for type)
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - printer-input-tray versus= media-col and media-source
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - printer-output-tray versus o= utput-bin-xxx
=A0=A0=A0=A0
(7) Next Steps
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP WG on Monday 28 Novem= ber - review Cloud and IPP December F2F slides
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP WG on = Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in Austin, TX

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair)

Ira McDonald (Mus= ician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WGSecretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IP= P WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded System= s Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roo= f Music/High North Inc
http://sites.googl= e.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



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The updat= ed PWG Job Ticket and Associated Capabilities specification is available on= the  Semantic Model page <http:= //www.pwg.org/mfd>  or directly at

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Xerox Research Center Webster
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The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCA450.A9B6A9FD Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

Se=
ction 10.8.2 covering “original-requesting-user-name” is a bit =
misleading.  The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as=
 the  “requesting-user-name”.   When forwarding =
jobs from one printer to another the “original-requesting-user-name&#=
8221; is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained.  =
As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The "job-originat=
ing-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6=
) remains as the authenticated original user”.  This is inconsis=
tent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is my proposed c=
hange to section 10.8.2.

 = ;

Original:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation = and Job

     = ;   Description Attribute

<= o:p> 

   The operation attr= ibute containing the user name of the original

   user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-us= er-name" operation

   = attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client

   supplied to the first Printer o= bject.  The Printer copies the

&= nbsp;  "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute t= o the

   corresponding Job = Description attribute.

 = ;

Corrected:

1= 0.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

      &nb= sp; Description Attribute

 =

   The operation attribute cont= aining the user name of the original

=    user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job

that identifie= s the Job=

&= nbsp;  owner on the first Printer object.  The Printer copies = the

   "original-reque= sting-user-name" operation attribute to the

   corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

=  

Peter Zehl= er

Xerox Research Cen= ter Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
<= /span>Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US= Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox = Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 


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M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 All, =20 Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCA451.481A8303 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please subs= titute “section 10.8.3 of rfc3998” for “section= 10.8.8 of rfc3998” below.

=  

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox= Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<= br>Voice: (585) 265-8755
<= /span>FAX: (585) 265-7441
= US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xe= rox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.=
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@= pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, Novem= ber 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Pro= posed errata for rfc3998

 

All,

=

 

Section 10.8.2 =
covering “original-requesting-user-name” is a bit misleading.&n=
bsp; The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the  &#=
8220;requesting-user-name”.   When forwarding jobs from one=
 printer to another the “original-requesting-user-name” is the =
most authenticated printable name that can be obtained.  As stated in =
section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The "job-originating-user-name=
" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as =
the authenticated original user”.  This is inconsistent with sec=
tion 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is my proposed change to sect=
ion 10.8.2.

 

Original:

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>10.8.= 2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

        = Description Attribute

 

   The operation attribute containi= ng the user name of the original

= &nbs= p;  user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" = operation

   attribute (see= [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client

=

   supplied to the first Printer object.  T= he Printer copies the

   &q= uot;original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the

   corresponding Job Description at= tribute.

 

Corrected:

10.8.2.  o= riginal-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

        Descriptio= n Attribute

 <= /p>

   The operation attribute containing the use= r name of the original

   u= ser; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job

  = attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job

   owne= r on the first Printer object.  The Printer copies the

   "original-requesting-user-name&= quot; operation attribute to the

= &nbs= p;  corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
= Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.= com
Voice: (585) 265-8= 755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler=
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 


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Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated o= riginal user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unc= hanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision f= or it in an IPP job submission) Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be = the unauthenticated value. (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-use= r-uri...) On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 o= f rfc3998=94 below. >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehle= r, Peter > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > To: IPP@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 >=20=20 > All, >=20=20 > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2. >=20=20 > Original: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 > Corrected: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_XFZZzV/pnXAtsMmzbxAVFA) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Pete,

If we make this change, then what is the differen= ce between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name = as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwar= ded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since t= here is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)

<= div>Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to= be the unauthenticated value.

(and now I go off t= o add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)

On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

Please substitute =93se= ction 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of rfc3998=94 below.<= /o:p>
 
 
 
Peter Zehler

Xerox = Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755=
FAX: (585) = 265-7441
US = Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.M/S 128-25EWebster NY, 14580-9701
 
From: ipp-bounces@pw= g.org [mailto:ipp-bou= nces@pwg.org] On Behal= f Of Zehler, PeterSent: Wednesday, = November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998
 
All,
=
 
Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-us=
er-name=94 is a bit misleading.  The issue is that the Job owner is no=
t always the same as the  =93requesting-user-name=94.   When=
 forwarding jobs from one printer to another the =93original-requesting-use=
r-name=94 is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained.&nb=
sp; As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  =93The "job-originating-u=
ser-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains =
as the authenticated original user=94.  This is inconsistent with sect=
ion 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is my proposed change to secti=
on 10.8.2.
 
Original:
10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operat= ion and Job
        = Description Attribute
 
 =   The operation attribute containing the user name of the original
   user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-= user-name" operation
   attribute (see [RFC29= 11], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client
 &n= bsp; supplied to the first Printer object.  The Printer copies the
   "original-requesting-user-name" operation att= ribute to the
   corresponding Job Descriptio= n attribute.
 
Corrected:
<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">= 10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job
 
   The op= eration attribute containing the user name of the original
   user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job
 that identifies the Job
=
   ow= ner on the first = Printer object.  The Printer copies the
 &nbs= p; "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the
   corresponding Job Description attribute.
 
&nbs= p;
Peter Zehler

<= /span>Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.c= om
Voice= : (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
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(2) We leave 3998 alone and say that "originating-requesting-user-name" is a weak identifier (albeit now enclosed in a TLS tunnel in IPP Everywhere) just like "job-name" that's meant to be used for searching and matching in pools of jobs - not a good idea, because it makes the unverified contents of "requesting-user-name" into a sticky Job attribute - a bad precedent IMHO. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Pete, > > If we make this change, then what is the difference between > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? > > Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated > original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client > unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no > provision for it in an IPP job submission) > > Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be > the unauthenticated value. > > (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for > job-originating-user-uri...) > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of > rfc3998=94 below.**** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > ** ** > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *Z= ehler, > Peter > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > *To:* IPP@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > ** ** > All,**** > ** ** > > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2.**** > > ** ** > Original:**** > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > Description Attribute**** > ** ** > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation**** > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client**** > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > ** ** > Corrected:**** > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > Description Attribute**** > ** ** > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job**** > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job**** > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > ** ** > ** ** > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > ** ** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean.**** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --000e0ce0acaaabc2e604b1dd3e4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

I suggest we either:

(1) "job-originating-user-= [name/uri]" applies to the IMMEDIATE upstream
client only (no forw= arding behavior) and "originating-requesting-user-name"
name = holds the most authenticated original Job owner (the distant guy on his
cellphone in the Cloud printing scenario) - I think this was the spirit int= ended
by RFC 3998 - my preference.

<or>

(2) We leav= e 3998 alone and say that "originating-requesting-user-name"
is a weak identifier (albeit now enclosed in a TLS tunnel in IPP Everywhere= )
just like "job-name" that's meant to be used for search= ing and matching in
pools of jobs - not a good idea, because it makes t= he unverified contents of
"requesting-user-name" into a sticky Job attribute - a bad preced= ent IMHO.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Mu= sician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://si= tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2= 434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
Pete,

If we make thi= s change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name= and job-originating-user-name?

Section 10.8.4 (re= )defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and w= hose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (somethi= ng I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP jo= b submission)

Seems like the original intent was for original-request= ing-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.

(an= d now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-u= ri...)

On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehl= er, Peter wrote:

Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 = for =93section 10.8.8 of rfc3998=94 below.
=A0
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Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Ph= illips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webste= r NY, 14580-9701
=A0
From:=A0ipp-bounces@pwg.org=A0[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]= =A0On Behalf Of=A0Zehler, Peter
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To:<= /b>=A0IPP@pwg.org
Subject:<= span>=A0[IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998
=A0
Al= l,
=A0
Se=
ction 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misleadi=
ng.=A0 The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =A0=93=
requesting-user-name=94.=A0 =A0When forwarding jobs from one printer to ano=
ther the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated prin=
table name that can be obtained.=A0 As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:=
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(see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=
=94.=A0 This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.=A0 B=
elow is my proposed change to section 10.8.2.
=A0
Original:
10.8.2.=A0 orig= inal-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Description Attribute
=A0
=A0=A0 The oper= ation attribute containing the user name of the original
=A0=A0 user; i.= e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation<= u>
=A0=A0 attribut= e (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client
=A0=A0 supplied= to the first Printer object.=A0 The Printer copies the
=A0=A0 "or= iginal-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the<= /span>
=A0=A0 correspo= nding Job Description attribute.
=A0=
Corrected:
10.8.2.=A0 original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operati= on and Job
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Description Attribute
=A0
=A0=A0 The oper= ation attribute containing the user name of the original
=A0=A0 user; i.= e., corresponding to the=A0"job-originating-user-name"= ; Job
=A0=A0 attribute (see [RFC2911],= section 4.3.6)=A0that identifies the=A0= J= ob
=A0=A0 owner on= =A0the first Printer object.=A0 The Printer copies the=
=A0=A0 "or= iginal-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the<= /span>
=A0=A0 correspo= nding Job Description attribute.
=A0=
=A0
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email:=A0= Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Ph= illips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webste= r NY, 14580-9701
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On the first system the Job's "original-job-requesting-user-name" and "job-originating-user-name" are populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own identity in the "requesting-user-name" operational attribute. It also passes along the "original-requesting-user-name" as an operational attribute. The downstream printer uses the "requesting-user-name", or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the "original-job-requesting-user-name" operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object's "job-originating-user-name". In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).=20 =20 Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 Pete, =20 If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? =20 Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission) =20 Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value. =20 (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...) =20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: Please substitute "section 10.8.3 of rfc3998" for "section 10.8.8 of rfc3998" below. =20 =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 All, =20 Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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Mike,

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>The semantics are limited to Job forwarding syst= ems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in).  On the first system th= e Job’s “original-job-requesting-user-name” and “jo= b-originating-user-name” are populated with the same value.  Per= rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name that it can ob= tain from the authentication service over which the IPP operation was recei= ved.  Only if such is not available, does the Printer object use the v= alue supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name".  = On the next hop is where things diverge.  The upstream printer uses it= s own identity  in  the “requesting-user-name” operat= ional attribute.  It also passes along the “original-requesting-= user-name” as an operational attribute.  The downstream printer = uses the “requesting-user-name”, or the identity obtained from = a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstre= am printer.  The downstream printer then copies over the “origin= al-job-requesting-user-name” operational attribute to the job object = AND to the job object’s “job-originating-user-name”. = ; In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user thro= ughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). =

 

Pete

 

&nbs= p;

Peter Zehler
=
Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
= Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-744= 1
US Mail: Peter Zehler
<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'= >Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
= M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

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From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent:= Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc= : ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998<= o:p>

 

=

Pete,

&nb= sp;

If we make this change, then w= hat is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-origina= ting-user-name?

 

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-orig= inating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is sup= posed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% = happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)

 

=

Seems like the original intent was for original-reques= ting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.

 

(an= d now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-u= ri...)

 

<= div>

On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wr= ote:



<= div>

Please substitute “section 10.8.3 of rfc3998” for “= section 10.8.8 of rfc3998” below.

 

 

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy= '>Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster=
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265= -7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

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From: <= /span>ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of&nbs= p;Zehler, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To: IPP@= pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 

All,

 

=
Section 10.8.2 covering “original-requesting-user-name” is a=
 bit misleading.  The issue is that the Job owner is not always the sa=
me as the  “requesting-user-name”.   When forwar=
ding jobs from one printer to another the “original-requesting-user-n=
ame” is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained.&n=
bsp; As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The "job-ori=
ginating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section =
4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user”.  This is inc=
onsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is my propo=
sed change to section 10.8.2.

=  

Original:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-u= ser-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

        Description Attribu= te

 

   The operation attribute conta= ining the user name of the original

   user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-us= er-name" operation

&n= bsp;  attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original cli= ent

   supplied = to the first Printer object.  The Printer copies the=

   "original-requesting-user= -name" operation attribute to the

   corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

Corrected:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job<= /span><= o:p>

    &n= bsp;   Description Attribute

 

 =   The operation attribute containing the user name of the original

   user; i.e., corr= esponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job

 &nbs= p; attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job

   owner on<= /span> the first Printer obj= ect.  The Printer copies the

   "original-requesting-user-name" operation a= ttribute to the

 &nbs= p; corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

=  

Peter= Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
= FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'>
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, = 14580-9701

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Obviously, this is unclear (or incorrectly stated) in the RFC and has probably led to various inconsistent implementations. The distinction is more significant as more IPP jobs will be relayed in the future, and should be clarified. Bill Wagner From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:24 PM To: Michael Sweet Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 Mike, The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job's "original-job-requesting-user-name" and "job-originating-user-name" are populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own identity in the "requesting-user-name" operational attribute. It also passes along the "original-requesting-user-name" as an operational attribute. The downstream printer uses the "requesting-user-name", or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the "original-job-requesting-user-name" operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object's "job-originating-user-name". In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). Pete Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 Pete, If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission) Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value. (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...) On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: Please substitute "section 10.8.3 of rfc3998" for "section 10.8.8 of rfc3998" below. Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 All, Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. 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I agree w= ith Ira’s option 1 and Pete’s take below, which also is my unde= rstanding  of the intent. Obviously, this is unclear (or incorrectly s= tated) in the RFC and has probably led to various inconsistent implementati= ons. The distinction is more significant  as more IPP jobs will be rel= ayed in the future, and should be clarified.

 

Bill Wagner

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [= mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Michael Sweet
= Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc399= 8

 

Mike,

 

The seman= tics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out an= d fan in).  On the first system the Job’s “original-job-re= questing-user-name” and “job-originating-user-name” are p= opulated with the same value.  Per rfc2911 that value is the most auth= enticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service= over which the IPP operation was received.  Only if such is not avail= able, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the &= quot;requesting-user-name".  On the next hop is where things dive= rge.  The upstream printer uses its own identity  in  the &#= 8220;requesting-user-name” operational attribute.  It also passe= s along the “original-requesting-user-name” as an operational a= ttribute.  The downstream printer uses the “requesting-user-name= ”, or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure = the request is from a configured upstream printer.  The downstream pri= nter then copies over the “original-job-requesting-user-name” o= perational attribute to the job object AND to the job object’s “= ;job-originating-user-name”.  In other words the child job is ow= ned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the imme= diate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).

 

Pete<= /o:p>

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center We= bster
Email: Peter.Ze= hler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: = Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
= 800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
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 =

From: Michael Sweet [mai= lto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 A= M
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: = Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 

Pete,=

 

If we make this change, then what is the difference between origina= l-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?

<= div>

 

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticate= d original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client = unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provisio= n for it in an IPP job submission)

 

Seems like the o= riginal intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthentica= ted value.

 <= /p>

(and now I go off to add some text for t= his to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)

 

On Nov = 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

 

Please substitute “section 10.8.3 of rfc3998” for “section = 10.8.8 of rfc3998” below.

 

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'> 

Peter = Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xer= ox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701<= /span>

 

=

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]&= nbsp;On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: = ;Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To: IPP@pwg.org<= /a>
Subject: [IPP= ] Proposed errata for rfc3998

Secti=
on 10.8.2 covering “original-requesting-user-name” is a bit mis=
leading.  The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as th=
e  “requesting-user-name”.   When forwarding job=
s from one printer to another the “original-requesting-user-name̶=
1; is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained.  As =
stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The "job-originating=
-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) r=
emains as the authenticated original user”.  This is inconsisten=
t with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is my proposed chan=
ge to section 10.8.2.

 

   supplied to the f= irst Printer object.  The Printer copies the

   attri= bute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)&= nbsp;

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   owner on the first Printer object.&nbs= p; The Printer copies the

=    "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute = to the

   corres= ponding Job Description attribute.

 

&n= bsp;

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Ema= il: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.comVoice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585= ) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter ZehlerXerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
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"job-originating-user-[name/uri]"=20 applies to the owner of the job. In a non-forwarding environment nothing changes (i.e. rfc2911). In forwarding systems (i.e. rfc2998) nothing changes=20 for the initial printer. The "original-requesting-user-name" is a plumbing=20 element that carries the initial job owner across the forwarding printer chain.=20=20 "job-originating-user-name" holds the most authenticated original Job owner=20 (the distant guy on his cellphone in the Cloud printing scenario). The original Job owner should be able to list all his jobs on any of the printers in the chain. And perform operations on them such as canceling them - I think this was=20 the spirit intended by RFC 3998. It aligns 10.8.2 with 10.8.3 and 10.8.4 - my preference. =20 =20 =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:15 PM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 Hi Mike, I suggest we either: (1) "job-originating-user-[name/uri]" applies to the IMMEDIATE upstream=20 client only (no forwarding behavior) and "originating-requesting-user-name"=20 name holds the most authenticated original Job owner (the distant guy on his=20 cellphone in the Cloud printing scenario) - I think this was the spirit intended=20 by RFC 3998 - my preference. (2) We leave 3998 alone and say that "originating-requesting-user-name" is a weak identifier (albeit now enclosed in a TLS tunnel in IPP Everywhere)=20 just like "job-name" that's meant to be used for searching and matching in=20 pools of jobs - not a good idea, because it makes the unverified contents of=20 "requesting-user-name" into a sticky Job attribute - a bad precedent IMHO. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic =20 http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc =20 mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: Pete, =20 If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? =20 Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission) =20 Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value. =20 (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...) =20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: =20 Please substitute "section 10.8.3 of rfc3998" for "section 10.8.8 of rfc3998" below. =09=20 =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 All, =09=20 =09=20 Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =09=20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =09=20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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Ira,=

I suggest:

(1) “requesti= ng-user-name” remains unchanged including the fact that it may <= /o:p>

be ignored if a trusted value is available.&n= bsp; "job-originating-user-[name/uri]"

applies to the owner of the job.  In a non-forwarding enviro= nment nothing

changes (i.e. rfc2911).&nb= sp; In forwarding systems (i.e. rfc2998) nothing changes

for the initial printer.  The "original-request= ing-user-name" is a plumbing

eleme= nt that carries the initial job owner across the forwarding printer chain. =  
“job-originating-user-name” holds the most authentica= ted original Job owner

(the distant guy= on his cellphone in the Cloud printing scenario).  The original<= /o:p>

Job owner should be able to list all his jobs= on any of the printers in the chain.

An= d perform operations on them such as canceling them  - I think this wa= s

the sp= irit intended by RFC 3998.  It aligns 10.8.2 with 10.8.3 and 10.8.4 - = my preference.

 

 

 

 

Peter Ze= hler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<= /a>
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd= .
M/S 128-25E
Webster N= Y, 14580-9701

 

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent= : Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:15 PM
To: Michael Sweet; Ir= a McDonald
Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: = [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 

Hi Mike,

I suggest we eit= her:

(1) "job-originating-user-[name/uri]" applies to the = IMMEDIATE upstream
client only (no forwarding behavior) and "origi= nating-requesting-user-name"
name holds the most authenticated ori= ginal Job owner (the distant guy on his
cellphone in the Cloud printing= scenario) - I think this was the spirit intended
by RFC 3998 - my pref= erence.

<or>

(2) We leave 3998 alone and say that "= ;originating-requesting-user-name"
is a weak identifier (albeit now= enclosed in a TLS tunnel in IPP Everywhere)
just like "job-name&q= uot; that's meant to be used for searching and matching in
pools of job= s - not a good idea, because it makes the unverified contents of
"= requesting-user-name" into a sticky Job attribute - a bad precedent IM= HO.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician /= Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secret= ary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WGCo-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Syste= ms Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Ro= of Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.= com/site/blueroofmusic
http://site= s.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=   579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Su= mmer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434<= /o:p>



<= /o:p>

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wr= ote:

Pete,

 

If we = make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-u= ser-name and job-originating-user-name?

 

Section 1= 0.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original u= ser and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged...= (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in = an IPP job submission)

&= nbsp;

Seems like the original inte= nt was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.

 

(and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 = for job-originating-user-uri...)

 

On Nov 16= , 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

 

Please substitute= “section 10.8.3 of rfc3998” for “section 10.8.8 of rfc3998̶= 1; below.

&nbs= p;

 <= /o:p>

 

Peter Zehler<= br>
Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.= com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox = Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
= M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of&n= bsp;Zehler, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:1= 3 AM
To: IP= P@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 <= /span>

All,

&= nbsp;

 
Sectio=
n 10.8.2 covering “original-requesting-user-name” is a bit misl=
eading.  The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the=
  “requesting-user-name”.   When forwarding jobs=
 from one printer to another the “original-requesting-user-name”=
; is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained.  As s=
tated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The "job-originating-=
user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) re=
mains as the authenticated original user”.  This is inconsistent=
 with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is my proposed chang=
e to section 10.8.2.

 

Original:=

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name= (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

        Description Attribute<= /o:p>

 

   The operation attribute containing th= e user name of the original

 &nbs= p; attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client=

   supplied to the f= irst Printer object.  The Printer copies the

   "original-requesting-user-name&qu= ot; operation attribute to the

   corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

Corrected:

10.8.2.=   original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

     &nbs= p;  Description Attribute

 

   T= he operation attribute containing the user name of the original<= /span>

   user; i.e., correspondin= g to the "job-originating-user-= name" Job

=    attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> = ;that identifies the Job=

  = owner on the first Printer object.  The Printer copies the

   "original-= requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the

=

   corresponding Job Description attr= ibute.

 


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How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything that i= s sent to them from the parent printer? But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and job-= originating-user-name distinctly different: original-requesting-user-name i= s the value that was supplied by the client while job-originating-user-name= is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would effectively mak= e them the same, in which case we should: 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely, 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute an= d use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-o= ut case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach). On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > Mike, >=20=20 > The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP= Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job=92s =93original-job-requ= esting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name=94 are populated with = the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable= name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP= operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer o= bject use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". = On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own= identity in the =93requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute. It al= so passes along the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational a= ttribute. The downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or t= he identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request i= s from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies o= ver the =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to th= e job object AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94. In= other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user througho= ut the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). >=20=20 > Pete >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Zehler, Peter > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 >=20=20 > Pete, >=20=20 > If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requ= esting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? >=20=20 > Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated= original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client u= nchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision= for it in an IPP job submission) >=20=20 > Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to b= e the unauthenticated value. >=20=20 > (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-u= ser-uri...) >=20=20 > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: >=20 >=20 > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 o= f rfc3998=94 below. >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehle= r, Peter > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > To: IPP@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 >=20=20 > All, >=20=20 > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2. >=20=20 > Original: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 > Corrected: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_Oj3v7eDykNvs+HVtXQHZPQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Pete,

My point about forwarding is that the mechanism f= or authenticating the original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-use= r-name values over IPP is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicit= ly trust everything that is sent to them from the parent printer?

But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-us= er-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-reques= ting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-origi= nating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would= effectively make them the same, in which case we should:

1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely,
2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or
3. Make o= riginal-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute and use it = to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-out case (= this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:
Mike= ,
 
<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b= ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">= The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of pr= inters (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in).  On the first system the Job=92s= =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name= =94 are populated with the same value.  Per rfc2911 that value is the = most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authenticatio= n service over which the IPP operation was received.  Only if such is = not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client= in the "requesting-user-name".  On the next hop is where things diver= ge.  The upstream printer uses its own identity  in  the =93= requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute.  It also passes along t= he =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational attribute.  T= he downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or the identity = obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a con= figured upstream printer.  The downstream printer then copies over the= =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to the job o= bject AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94.  In o= ther words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout= the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).<= /span>
 
Pete
 
 
Pete= r Zehler

Xerox Research Center = Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<= br>Voice: (585) 265-8755
= FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Z= ehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;= ">M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-970= 1=
 
From: Michael= Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] = ;
Sent: = Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata f= or rfc3998
 
Pete= ,
 
If we make this = change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name a= nd job-originating-user-name?
 =
Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as t= he authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded = by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there= is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)
Seems like the original intent was fo= r original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.=
 
(and now I go off to a= dd some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)
 
On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 = AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:


Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 = of rfc3998=94 below.
&= nbsp;
 
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:i= pp-bounces@pwg.org] <= b>On Behalf Of Zehler= , Peter
Sent: W= ednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc399= 8
 
All= ,
 
Section 10.8.2 cove=
ring =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misleading.  The iss=
ue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the  =93requesting-=
user-name=94.   When forwarding jobs from one printer to another =
the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printable=
 name that can be obtained.  As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: &=
nbsp;=93The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC=
2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94.  =
This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below =
is my proposed change to section 10.8.2.
&nbs= p;Original:
10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation= and Job
     =    Description Attribute
&nbs= p;   The operation attribute= containing the user name of the original
   attribute (see [RFC= 2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client
   supplied to the first Printer object.  The Prin= ter copies the
   "original-r= equesting-user-name" operation attribute to the
   corresponding Job Description attribute.
 
Corrected:
10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MA= X)) Operation and Job
   = ;     Description Attribute
 
   The operat= ion attribute containing the user name of the original
   user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job
   attribute (see [RFC2911], sectio= n 4.3.6) <= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">= that identifies the = Job
   owner on the first Printer object.&= nbsp; The Printer copies the
 &n= bsp; "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the<= /span>
   corresponding Job Description attribu= te. 
<= span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb= (31, 73, 125); "> 
Peter Zehle= r

Xerox Research Center Webster=
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755=
FAX: (585) 265-7441
U= S Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.M/S 128-25E
Webster= NY, 14580-9701
 
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Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding Printers OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access control and upstream notification receipt rights. The original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-up and summarized results of the downstream Job processing. Letting the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers is a severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access control. Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstream Jobs were created by the intervening Printers. Because I assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Pete, > > My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over I= PP > is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything > that is sent to them from the parent printer? > > But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and > job-originating-user-name distinctly different: > original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client > while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your > proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we > should: > > 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely, > 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or > 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute > and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the > fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach). > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > > Mike,**** > ** ** > The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP > Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job=92s > =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name= =94 are > populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most > authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication > service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not > available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in > the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The > upstream printer uses its own identity in the =93requesting-user-name= =94 > operational attribute. It also passes along the > =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational attribute. The > downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or the identity > obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a > configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the > =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to the job = object > AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94. In other word= s the > child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and > not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).**** > ** ** > Pete**** > ** ** > ** ** > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > ** ** > *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM > *To:* Zehler, Peter > *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > ** ** > Pete,**** > ** ** > If we make this change, then what is the difference between > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?**** > ** ** > Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated > original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client > unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no > provision for it in an IPP job submission)**** > ** ** > Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be > the unauthenticated value.**** > ** ** > (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for > job-originating-user-uri...)**** > ** ** > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:**** > > > **** > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of > rfc3998=94 below.**** > **** > **** > **** > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > **** > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *Z= ehler, > Peter > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > *To:* IPP@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > **** > All,**** > **** > > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2.**** > > **** > Original:**** > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > Description Attribute**** > **** > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation**** > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client**** > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > **** > Corrected:**** > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > Description Attribute**** > **** > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job**** > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job**** > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > **** > **** > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > **** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean.**** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > ** ** > ________________________________________________________________________** > ** > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > ** ** > ** ** > > > **** > ** ** > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175cfb0aaa41ac04b1ddfacd Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

OK - I'm mostly with Mike here.

Also, I'm pretty = strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding Printers
OWN the down= stream Jobs and have the Job submission and access
control and upstream = notification receipt rights.

The original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at=
the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolle= d-up
and summarized results of the downstream Job processing.

Letting the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printersis a severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access<= br>control.

Where would the authentication credentials come when the= downstream
Jobs were created by the intervening Printers.

Because I assure you = that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the
original Job own= er and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication
in so-called = proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and
password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken).
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Ar= chitect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-I= STO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solution= s WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert = - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
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Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
Pete,

My point about= forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requestin= g-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How= /why do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them= from the parent printer?

But again, the current wording makes original-requestin= g-user-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-re= questing-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-o= riginating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change w= ould effectively make them the same, in which case we should:

1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entir= ely,
2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or
3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute= and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fa= n-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:= 23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:
Mike,
=A0
The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e= . IPP Fan out and fan in).=A0 On the first system the Job=92s =93original-j= ob-requesting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name=94 are populate= d with the same value.=A0 Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated = printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service over whic= h the IPP operation was received. =A0Only if such is not available, does th= e Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the "requesti= ng-user-name". =A0On the next hop is where things diverge.=A0 The upst= ream printer uses its own identity=A0 in =A0the =93requesting-user-name=94 = operational attribute.=A0 It also passes along the =93original-requesting-u= ser-name=94 as an operational attribute.=A0 The downstream printer uses the= =93requesting-user-name=94, or the identity obtained from a trusted protoc= ol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer.=A0 T= he downstream printer then copies over the =93original-job-requesting-user-= name=94 operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object=92s = =93job-originating-user-name=94.=A0 In other words the child job is owned b= y the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate= parent (i.e. IPP Printers).
=A0
Pete
=A0
=A0
Peter = Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E=
Webster NY, 14580-9701
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<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif">From:=A0Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=A0
Sent:=A0Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To:= =A0Zehler, Peter
Cc:=A0ipp@pwg.org
Subject:=A0Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998=
=A0
Pete,
=A0
If we make this change, then what is the diff= erence between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?=
=A0
Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated o= riginal user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unc= hanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision f= or it in an IPP job submission)
=A0
Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be = the unauthenticated value.
=A0
(and now I go off to add some text for this t= o JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)
=A0
On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:
=


Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93sect= ion 10.8.8 of rfc3998=94 below.
=A0
=A0
=A0
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E=
Webster NY, 14580-9701
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Section 10.=
8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misleading.=A0 Th=
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=93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printable nam=
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e "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC=
2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94.=A0 Thi=
s is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.=A0 Below is my =
proposed change to section 10.8.2.
=A0
Original:
10.8.2.=A0 original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and= Job<= u>
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Description Attribute
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=A0=A0 The operation attribute containing the user name of the ori= ginal=
=A0=A0 user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name= " operation
=A0=A0 attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the origina= l client
=A0=A0 supplied to the first Printer object.=A0 The Printer copies= the<= u>
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Corre= cted:
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Description Attribute
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=A0=A0 The operation attribute containing the user name of the ori= ginal=
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=A0=A0 a= ttribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)=A0th= at identifies the=A0Job
=A0=A0 o= wner on=A0the first Printer object.=A0 The P= rinter copies the
=A0=A0 "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribu= te to the
=A0=A0 corresponding Job Description attribute.
=A0
=A0
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
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Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
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Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
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I see no reason to keep "original-requesting-user-name" around as a job attribute. I believe the updates below represent #3. =20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation Attribute =20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute. =20 =20 Original: 10.8.4. job-originating-user-name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute - Additional Semantics =20 The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user, not the parent Printer's authenticated host, and is forwarded by each client without changing the value. =20 Corrected: 10.8.4. job-originating-user-name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute - Additional Semantics =20 The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user, not the parent Printer's authenticated host, and is forwarded by each client in the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute=20 without changing the value. =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:55 PM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 Pete, =20 My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them from the parent printer? =20 But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we should: =20 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely, 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach). =20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: Mike, =09=20 The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job's "original-job-requesting-user-name" and "job-originating-user-name" are populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own identity in the "requesting-user-name" operational attribute. It also passes along the "original-requesting-user-name" as an operational attribute. The downstream printer uses the "requesting-user-name", or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the "original-job-requesting-user-name" operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object's "job-originating-user-name". In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). =09=20 Pete =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 Pete, =09=20 If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? =09=20 Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission) =09=20 Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value. =09=20 (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...) =09=20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: =09 =09 =09 =09 Please substitute "section 10.8.3 of rfc3998" for "section 10.8.8 of rfc3998" below. =09=20 =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 All, =09=20 Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =09=20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =09=20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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Mike,<= /o:p>

I can live with #3.  I see n= o reason to keep “original-requesting-user-name” around as a jo= b attribute.   I believe the  updates below represent #3.

 

Original:

10.8.2.  o= riginal-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

        Descriptio= n Attribute

 <= /p>

   The operation attribute containing the use= r name of the original

   u= ser; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation<= o:p>

   attribute (see [RFC2911]= , section 3.2.1.1) that the original client

   supplied to the first Printer object.  The Print= er copies the

   "orig= inal-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the

   corresponding Job Description attribute.=

 

Corrected:

10.8.2.  original-= requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation Attribute

 

   The operation = attribute containing the user name of the original

   user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name&quo= t; Job

   attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) th= at identifies the Jo= b

   owner on the first Printer object.  The Pri= nter copies the

   "or= iginal-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the

   “job-originating-user-name” Job = Description attribute.

 = ;

 

O= riginal:

10.8.4.  job-originating-user-= name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute

         - Additional Semanti= cs

 

   The "job-originating-user-name" Job Descr= iption attribute (see

   [R= FC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user,

   not the parent Printer's authen= ticated host, and is forwarded by each

 

Co= rrected:

10.8.4.  job-originating-user-= name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute

         - Additional Semanti= cs

 

   The "job-originating-user-name" Job Descr= iption attribute (see

   [R= FC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user,

   not the parent Printer's authen= ticated host, and is forwarded by each

   without chang= ing the value.

 =

 <= /p>

Peter Zehler

Xero= x Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (5= 85) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-2= 5E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

= From:= Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Novemb= er 16, 2011 12:55 PM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<= br>Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998<= /p>

 

Pete,

 

My point about forwarding is that the mechanism = for authenticating the original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-us= er-name values over IPP is undefined. How/why do the child printers implici= tly trust everything that is sent to them from the parent printer?

 

But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-us= er-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-reques= ting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-origi= nating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would= effectively make them the same, in which case we should:

 

1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely,

2. Delete original-requesting-user-na= me entirely, or

3. Make origi= nal-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute and use it to p= ass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this= would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).

 

On= Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

Mike,

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'> 

Th= e semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan= out and fan in).  On the first system the Job’s “original= -job-requesting-user-name” and “job-originating-user-name”= ; are populated with the same value.  Per rfc2911 that value is the mo= st authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication = service over which the IPP operation was received.  Only if such is no= t available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client i= n the "requesting-user-name".  On the next hop is where thin= gs diverge.  The upstream printer uses its own identity  in  = ;the “requesting-user-name” operational attribute.  It als= o passes along the “original-requesting-user-name” as an operat= ional attribute.  The downstream printer uses the “requesting-us= er-name”, or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to = insure the request is from a configured upstream printer.  The downstr= eam printer then copies over the “original-job-requesting-user-name&#= 8221; operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object’s= “job-originating-user-name”.  In other words the child jo= b is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by t= he immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).

 

Pete

 

=  

Peter= Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xe= rox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 <= /o:p>

From: <= /span>Mi= chael Sweet [mailto:msweet@app= le.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2= 011 10:47 AM
To: = Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc39= 98

 <= o:p>

Pete,

 

If we make this change, then what is the difference betwee= n original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?

 

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originatin= g-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed = to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy = with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)

 

=

Seems like the original intent was for= original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.<= /p>

 

(and now I go off to add some text for t= his to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)

 

On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:=




=

Please substitute “section 10.8.3 of rfc3998” = for “section 10.8.8 of rfc3998” below.

 

=

 <= /p>

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email:<= span class=3Dapple-converted-space> Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: = (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441<= br>US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-2= 5E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From= : ipp-bounces@pwg.org=  [mailto:ipp-bo= unces@pwg.org] On Be= half Of Zehler, PeterSent: Wednesday, N= ovember 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To:&= nbsp;IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata fo= r rfc3998

 

All,<= o:p>

 

Section 10.8.2 covering “original-requesting-user-nam=
e” is a bit misleading.  The issue is that the Job owner is not =
always the same as the  “requesting-user-name”.  &nbs=
p;When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the “original-requ=
esting-user-name” is the most authenticated printable name that can b=
e obtained.  As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The =
"job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC29=
11], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user”. =
; This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Belo=
w is my proposed change to section 10.8.2.

 

Original:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and = Job

  = ;      Description Attribute

=

 

   The operation attribute contain= ing the user name of the original

   user; i.e., corresponding to the "requ= esting-user-name" operation

   attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) t= hat the original client

   supplied to the first Printer object.  The Print= er copies the

&= nbsp;  "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute t= o the

 &nb= sp; corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

Corrected:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operati= on and Job

= &nbs= p;       Description Attribute

 

<= /div>

   The operation attribute = containing the user name of the original

<= div>

   user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job

<= /div>

   attrib= ute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)&n= bsp;that identifies the = Job

   owner o= n the first Printer o= bject.  The Printer copies the

<= div>

   "original-requesting-user-name"= operation attribute to the

   corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: = Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
<= /span>Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441=
US Mail: Peter Zehler
= Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 


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And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as well? I'm not advocating doing strong downstream or passing client secrets along. All that is required in a fan out environment is the child trust the parent. If it is a secure system it certainly won't depend on the "requesting-user-name" and it will have a special administrative role assigned to the parent printer. The initial printer can authenticate the client. If access is permitted at the target printer then the target printer has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial printer. Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 Hi, OK - I'm mostly with Mike here. Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding Printers OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access control and upstream notification receipt rights. The original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-up and summarized results of the downstream Job processing. Letting the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers is a severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access control. Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstream Jobs were created by the intervening Printers. Because I assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the=20 original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication=20 in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic =20 http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc =20 mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: Pete, =20 My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them from the parent printer? =20 But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we should: =20 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely, 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach). =20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: Mike, =09=20 The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job's "original-job-requesting-user-name" and "job-originating-user-name" are populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own identity in the "requesting-user-name" operational attribute. It also passes along the "original-requesting-user-name" as an operational attribute. The downstream printer uses the "requesting-user-name", or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the "original-job-requesting-user-name" operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object's "job-originating-user-name". In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). =09=20 Pete =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 Pete, =09=20 If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? =09=20 Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission) =09=20 Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value. =09=20 (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...) =09=20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: =09=20 Please substitute "section 10.8.3 of rfc3998" for "section 10.8.8 of rfc3998" below. =09=20 =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 All, =09=20 Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =09=20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =09=20 Corrected: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the corresponding Job Description attribute. =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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Ira,=

Well I guess we just have brok= en systems here that use the same backend directory service.  And does= that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as well?  I’m not ad= vocating doing strong downstream or passing client secrets along.  All= that is required in a fan out environment is the child trust the parent.&n= bsp; If it is a secure system it certainly won’t depend on the “= ;requesting-user-name” and it will have a special administrative role= assigned to the parent printer.  The initial printer can authenticate= the client.  If access is permitted at the target printer then the ta= rget printer has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial p= rinter.

Pete

 

 

Peter = Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.co= m
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips = Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster= NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Se= nt: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM
To: Michael Sweet; I= ra McDonald
Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re:= [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 

Hi,

OK - I'm mostly with= Mike here.

Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the= forwarding Printers
OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission= and access
control and upstream notification receipt rights.

The= original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at
the= first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-upand summarized results of the downstream Job processing.

Letting th= e original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers
is a sev= ere security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access
control= .

Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstrea= m
Jobs were created by the intervening Printers.

Because I assure= you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the
original Jo= b owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication
in so-ca= lled proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and
passw= ord can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken).

Chee= rs,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect= )
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Pri= nter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Tru= sted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
I= ETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North= Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmu= sic
http://sites.google.com/site/h= ighnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Pla= ce  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 2= 21  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Pete,

<= o:p> 

My point about forwardi= ng is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-user-na= me and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/why do t= he child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them from the= parent printer?

 <= /o:p>

But again, the current wording mak= es original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly d= ifferent: original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by t= he client while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Y= our proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we = should:

 

=

1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-use= r-name entirely,

2. Delete or= iginal-requesting-user-name entirely, or

3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation= attribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value= in the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).=

 

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Pete= r wrote:

Mike,

 

=

The semantics are limited to Job for= warding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in).  On the fir= st system the Job’s “original-job-requesting-user-name” a= nd “job-originating-user-name” are populated with the same valu= e.  Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name th= at it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP operati= on was received.  Only if such is not available, does the Printer obje= ct use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name&q= uot;.  On the next hop is where things diverge.  The upstream pri= nter uses its own identity  in  the “requesting-user-name&#= 8221; operational attribute.  It also passes along the “original= -requesting-user-name” as an operational attribute.  The downstr= eam printer uses the “requesting-user-name”, or the identity ob= tained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a confi= gured upstream printer.  The downstream printer then copies over the &= #8220;original-job-requesting-user-name” operational attribute to the= job object AND to the job object’s “job-originating-user-name&= #8221;.  In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitti= ng user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Prin= ters).

 

Pete=

 

 

<= /div>

Peter Zehler

= Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
= US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.=
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E<= /span>
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

<= div>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent: Wednesday,= November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc:&= nbsp;ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998<= /p>

 

<= div>

Pete,

 

If w= e make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting= -user-name and job-originating-user-name?

 

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the au= thenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by ea= ch client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is n= o provision for it in an IPP job submission)

 

Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-= user-name to be the unauthenticated value.

<= div>

 

(and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-o= riginating-user-uri...)

 

On Nov= 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

=

 

Please substitute “section 10.8.3 of rfc3998R= 21; for “section 10.8.8 of rfc3998” below.

 =

 

 =

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Ema= il: Peter.= Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7= 441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
= Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701=

 

<= div>

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] <= b>On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, Novem= ber 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata= for rfc3998

 

All,=

 

Section 10.8.2 covering “original-requesting-user-na=
me” is a bit misleading.  The issue is that the Job owner is not=
 always the same as the  “requesting-user-name”.  &nb=
sp;When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the “original-req=
uesting-user-name” is the most authenticated printable name that can =
be obtained.  As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998:  “The=
 "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2=
911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user”.&nbs=
p; This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Bel=
ow is my proposed change to section 10.8.2.

 

Original:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and= Job

 &nbs= p;      Description Attribute

 

<= /div>

   The operation attribute contai= ning the user name of the original

   user; i.e., corresponding to the "req= uesting-user-name" operation

   attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) = that the original client

   supplied to the first Printer object.  The Prin= ter copies the

=    "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute = to the

 &n= bsp; corresponding Job Description attribute.

 

Corrected:

10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operat= ion and Job

&nb= sp;       Description Attribute

 

=

   The operation attribute= containing the user name of the original

=

   user; i.e., corresponding to the&nb= sp;"job-originating-user-name" = Job

=    attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> = ;that identifies the Job

&= nbsp;  owner on the first Printer object.  The Printer co= pies the

 =   "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the=

   c= orresponding Job Description attribute.

 

 

=

Peter Zehler

Xerox R= esearch Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Cor= p.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S= 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701=

 

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But how do you propose that it could possibly apply in the case that one or more Cloud providers and and an entirely different target domain all participate to print the original client's job - letting that original client directly cancel jobs on those downstream printers is going to cause real headaches of accounting and security. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Zehler, Peter wrot= e: > Ira,**** > > Well I guess we just have broken systems here that use the same backend > directory service. And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as > well? I=92m not advocating doing strong downstream or passing client sec= rets > along. All that is required in a fan out environment is the child trust > the parent. If it is a secure system it certainly won=92t depend on the > =93requesting-user-name=94 and it will have a special administrative role > assigned to the parent printer. The initial printer can authenticate the > client. If access is permitted at the target printer then the target > printer has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial > printer.**** > > Pete**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM > > *To:* Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > *Cc:* Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org > > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > ** ** > > Hi, > > OK - I'm mostly with Mike here. > > Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding > Printers > OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access > control and upstream notification receipt rights. > > The original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at > the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-= up > and summarized results of the downstream Job processing. > > Letting the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers > is a severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access > control. > > Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstream > Jobs were created by the intervening Printers. > > Because I assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of > the > original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication > in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and > password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434**** > > > > **** > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:* > *** > > Pete,**** > > ** ** > > My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over I= PP > is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything > that is sent to them from the parent printer?**** > > ** ** > > But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and > job-originating-user-name distinctly different: > original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client > while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your > proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we > should:**** > > ** ** > > 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely,**** > > 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or**** > > 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute > and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the > fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).**** > > ** ** > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:**** > > Mike,**** > > **** > > The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP > Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job=92s > =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name= =94 are > populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most > authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication > service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not > available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in > the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The > upstream printer uses its own identity in the =93requesting-user-name= =94 > operational attribute. It also passes along the > =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational attribute. The > downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or the identity > obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a > configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the > =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to the job = object > AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94. In other word= s the > child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and > not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).**** > > **** > > Pete**** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM > *To:* Zehler, Peter > *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > **** > > Pete,**** > > **** > > If we make this change, then what is the difference between > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?**** > > **** > > Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated > original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client > unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no > provision for it in an IPP job submission)**** > > **** > > Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be > the unauthenticated value.**** > > **** > > (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for > job-originating-user-uri...)**** > > **** > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:**** > > ** ** > > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of > rfc3998=94 below.**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *Z= ehler, > Peter > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > *To:* IPP@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > **** > > All,**** > > **** > > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2.**** > > **** > > Original:**** > > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > > Description Attribute**** > > **** > > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation**** > > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client**** > > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > > **** > > Corrected:**** > > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > > Description Attribute**** > > **** > > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job**** > > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job**** > > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean.**** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > > **** > > ________________________________________________________________________** > ** > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > ________________________________________________________________________** > ** > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > ** ** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > > ** ** > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175df1448d9e7c04b1deae4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete,

That proxy via the same directory service in the same secur= ity domain
under a TLS tunnel is one thing.

But how do you propos= e that it could possibly apply in the case that
one or more Cloud provid= ers and and an entirely different target domain
all participate to print the original client's job - letting that origi= nal client
directly cancel jobs on those downstream printers is going to= cause real
headaches of accounting and security.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)=
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Prin= ter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trus= ted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Zehler,= Peter <Pete= r.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Ira,

= Well I guess we just have broken systems here that use the same backend dir= ectory service.=A0 And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as w= ell?=A0 I=92m not advocating doing strong downstream or passing client secr= ets along.=A0 All that is required in a fan out environment is the child tr= ust the parent.=A0 If it is a secure system it certainly won=92t depend on = the =93requesting-user-name=94 and it will have a special administrative ro= le assigned to the parent printer.=A0 The initial printer can authenticate = the client.=A0 If access is permitted at the target printer then the target= printer has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial print= er.

Pete

=A0

=A0

=

Peter Ze= hler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 <= /span>

=A0

From: Ira McDonald= [mailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM


To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald
Cc: Zehler, P= eter; ipp@pwg.org
=

Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

=A0<= /u>

Hi,

OK - I'm mostly with Mike here= .

Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding= Printers
OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access=
control and upstream notification receipt rights.

The original J= ob owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at
the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-up=
and summarized results of the downstream Job processing.

Letting= the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers
is a = severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access
control.

Where would the authentication credentials come when the do= wnstream
Jobs were created by the intervening Printers.

Because I= assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the
original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication <= br>in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username a= nd
password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken).<= br>
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEE= E-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair= - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael = Sweet <msweet@appl= e.com> wrote:

Pete,

=A0

My point about f= orwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-= user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/w= hy do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them f= rom the parent printer?

=A0

But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-use= r-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-request= ing-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-origin= ating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would = effectively make them the same, in which case we should:

=A0

1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely,<= u>

2. Delete original-reque= sting-user-name entirely, or

3. Make original-requesting-user-name exc= lusively an operation attribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-origin= ating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest = approach).

=A0

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Pete= r wrote:

Mike,

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">=A0

<= /div>

The s= emantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan ou= t and fan in).=A0 On the first system the Job=92s =93original-job-requestin= g-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name=94 are populated with the s= ame value.=A0 Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable na= me that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP op= eration was received. =A0Only if such is not available, does the Printer ob= ject use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name= ". =A0On the next hop is where things diverge.=A0 The upstream printer= uses its own identity=A0 in =A0the =93requesting-user-name=94 operational = attribute.=A0 It also passes along the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 = as an operational attribute.=A0 The downstream printer uses the =93requesti= ng-user-name=94, or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to= insure the request is from a configured upstream printer.=A0 The downstrea= m printer then copies over the =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 oper= ational attribute to the job object AND to the job object=92s =93job-origin= ating-user-name=94.=A0 In other words the child job is owned by the initial= submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e.= IPP Printers).

=A0

Pete

=

=A0

=

=A0

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xero= x.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

=A0

=

From:=A0Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=A0
Se= nt:=A0Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To:=A0Zehler, Peter
Cc:=A0ipp@pwg.org
Subject:=A0Re: [IPP] Proposed er= rata for rfc3998

=A0

Pete,<= /p>

=A0

=

If we make this change, then what is the d= ifference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-na= me?

=A0

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originat= ing-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is suppose= d to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happ= y with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)<= u>

=A0

Seems like the original intent was for = original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.

=A0

(and now I go off to add some text for = this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)

=

=A0

On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:<= u>

=A0

Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of rfc3998=94 below.

=A0

=A0=

=A0

Peter Zehle= r

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xero= x.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">=A0

<= /div>

From:= =A0ipp-bounces@pwg= .org=A0[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Zehler, Peter
Sent:=A0Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To:=A0IPP@pwg.org
Subject:=A0[IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

<= /div>

=A0

All,

=A0

Section 10.8.2 covering =93origi=
nal-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misleading.=A0 The issue is that the J=
ob owner is not always the same as the =A0=93requesting-user-name=94.=A0 =
=A0When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the =93original-request=
ing-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtai=
ned.=A0 As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =A0=93The "job-origina=
ting-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.=
6) remains as the authenticated original user=94.=A0 This is inconsistent w=
ith section 10.8.2 as currently written.=A0 Below is my proposed change to =
section 10.8.2.

=A0

Original:

10.8.2.=A0 original-requ= esting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Descript= ion Attribute

=A0

=A0=A0 The operation att= ribute containing the user name of the original

=A0=A0 user; i.e., corresponding to = the "requesting-user-name" operation

=A0=A0 attribute (see [RFC2911], sec= tion 3.2.1.1) that the original client

=

=A0=A0 supplied to the first Printer obje= ct.=A0 The Printer copies the

=A0=A0 "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute = to the

=A0=A0 corresponding Job Description attribute.=

=A0

Corrected:

=

10.8.2.=A0 original-requesting-user-= name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Description Attribute

= =A0

=A0=A0 The operation att= ribute containing the user name of the original

=A0=A0 user; i.e., corresponding to = the=A0"job-originating-user-name&quo= t; Job

=A0=A0= attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)=A0that identifies th= e=A0Job

=A0=A0= owner on=A0the first Printer object.=A0 The Printer copies th= e

=A0=A0 "original-re= questing-user-name" operation attribute to the

=A0=A0 corresponding Job Descr= iption attribute.

=A0

=A0

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.= com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

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Thanks! On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > Mike, > I can live with #3. I see no reason to keep =93original-requesting-user-= name=94 around as a job attribute. I believe the updates below represent= #3. >=20=20 > Original: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 > Corrected: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > =93job-originating-user-name=94 Job Description attribute. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Original: > 10.8.4. job-originating-user-name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute > - Additional Semantics >=20=20 > The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see > [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user, > not the parent Printer's authenticated host, and is forwarded by each > client without changing the value. >=20=20 > Corrected: > 10.8.4. job-originating-user-name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute > - Additional Semantics >=20=20 > The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see > [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user, > not the parent Printer's authenticated host, and is forwarded by each > client in the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 operation attribute > without changing the value. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:55 PM > To: Zehler, Peter > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 >=20=20 > Pete, >=20=20 > My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the or= iginal-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP i= s undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything that= is sent to them from the parent printer? >=20=20 > But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and jo= b-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-requesting-user-name= is the value that was supplied by the client while job-originating-user-na= me is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would effectively m= ake them the same, in which case we should: >=20=20 > 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely, > 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or > 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute = and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan= -out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach). >=20=20 > On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > Mike, >=20=20 > The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP= Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job=92s =93original-job-requ= esting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name=94 are populated with = the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable= name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP= operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer o= bject use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". = On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own= identity in the =93requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute. It al= so passes along the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational a= ttribute. The downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or t= he identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request i= s from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies o= ver the =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to th= e job object AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94. In= other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user througho= ut the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). >=20=20 > Pete >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Zehler, Peter > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 >=20=20 > Pete, >=20=20 > If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requ= esting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? >=20=20 > Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated= original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client u= nchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision= for it in an IPP job submission) >=20=20 > Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to b= e the unauthenticated value. >=20=20 > (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-u= ser-uri...) >=20=20 > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 o= f rfc3998=94 below. >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehle= r, Peter > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > To: IPP@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 >=20=20 > All, >=20=20 > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2. >=20=20 > Original: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 > Corrected: > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job > Description Attribute >=20=20 > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the > corresponding Job Description attribute. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_VAAnS7ZK2R7Rv65JFMCeCw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Pete,

I'm good with the new proposed changes. Thanks!

On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:
Mike,
I can live with #3.  I see no reason to keep = =93original-requesting-user-name=94 around as a job attribute.   = I believe the  updates below represent #3.
 
Original:
10.= 8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job=
        Description= Attribute
 
 &= nbsp; The operation attribute containing the user name of the original=
   user; i.e., corresponding to the "request= ing-user-name" operation
   attribute (s= ee [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client
   supplied to the first Printer object.  The Printer = copies the
   "original-requesting-user-= name" operation attribute to the
   corr= esponding Job Description attribute.
 
Corrected:
10.8.2.  original-requesting-us= er-name (name(MAX)) = Operation Attribute
 
   The operation attribute containing the user name of t= he original
   user; i.e., corresponding= to the "job-origina= ting-user-name" Job
   attribute (see [RFC291= 1], section 4.3.6) that identifies the    owner on the first Printer object.  The Printer = copies the
   "original-requesting-user-= name" operation attribute to the
   =93job-originating-user-= name=94 Job= Description attribute.
 
 
Original:
10.8.4.  job-originat= ing-user-name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute
=
 
   The "j= ob-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see<= /div>
   [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated = original user,
   not the parent Printer= 's authenticated host, and is forwarded by each
&n= bsp;  client without changing the value.
 
Corrected:
10= .8.4.  job-originating-user-name (name(MAX)) Job Description Attribute=
         = - Additional Semantics
 
   The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute= (see
   [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remai= ns as the authenticated original user,
 &nbs= p; not the parent Printer's authenticated host, and is forwarded by each
   client in the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 operation= attribute
   without changi= ng the value.
 
 
Pete= r Zehler

Xerox Research Center = Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<= br>Voice: (585) 265-8755
= FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Z= ehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;= ">M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-970= 1=
 
From: Michael= Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] = ;
Sent: = Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:55 PM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata f= or rfc3998
 
Pete= ,
 
My point about f= orwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-= user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/w= hy do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them f= rom the parent printer?
 
=
 
1. Remove forwarding of job-origi= nating-user-name entirely,
2. Delete original-r= equesting-user-name entirely, or
3. Make origin= al-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute and use it to pa= ss the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this = would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).
&nbs= p;
On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Pe= ter wrote:
Mike,
 
The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of prin= ters (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in).  On the first system the Job=92s = =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name=94= are populated with the same value.  Per rfc2911 that value is the mos= t authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication s= ervice over which the IPP operation was received.  Only if such is not= available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in= the "requesting-user-name".  On the next hop is where things diverge.=   The upstream printer uses its own identity  in  the =93req= uesting-user-name=94 operational attribute.  It also passes along the = =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational attribute.  The = downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or the identity obt= ained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a config= ured upstream printer.  The downstream printer then copies over the = =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to the job ob= ject AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94.  In ot= her words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout = the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).<= /o:p>
 
Pete
 
&= nbsp;
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Ema= il: Pe= ter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585= ) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
80= 0 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
 
From: Michael Sweet [mailto:mswee= t@apple.com] 
S= ent: Wednesday, Novem= ber 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To:&n= bsp;Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998
 
 
 
Section= 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original= user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged.= .. (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it i= n an IPP job submission)
 
Seems like the original intent was for= original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.<= /div>
 
(= and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user= -uri...)
 
On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:



section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of rfc= 3998=94 below.
 
=  
 
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
<= /span>Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;= ">Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) = 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
<= /span>800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128= -25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
 =
<= div>
= From: i= pp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
T= o: IPP@pwg.or= g
Subject: = [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998
=
 
All,<= /div>
 
Section 10.8.2 coverin=
g =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misleading.  The issue =
is that the Job owner is not always the same as the  =93requesting-use=
r-name=94.   When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the=
 =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printable na=
me that can be obtained.  As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: &nbs=
p;=93The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC291=
1], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94.  Thi=
s is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written.  Below is =
my proposed change to section 10.8.2.
&n= bsp;
Original:
10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-na= me (name(MAX)) Operation and Job
        Description Attribute
 
   The operation attribute containing the us= er name of the original
&nbs= p;  user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation<= /span>
   attribute (see = [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client
   supplied to the first Printer object.=   The Printer copies the
=
   corresponding Jo= b Description attribute.
 
Corrected:
=
10.8.2.  original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) O= peration and Job
 &nbs= p;      Description Attribute
 
<= div>
   The operation attribute containing the user name of the = original
   user; = i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job
=
   attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job
   owner on the first Printer object.  The Prin= ter copies the
   = "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the
   corresponding Job Description a= ttribute.
 
 
=
Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=
Voice: = (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
= 800 Phillips Rd.
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It is within those products that the inconsistency within the rfc3998 was at issue. I am not proposing anything for cloud printing. Although in at least some Cloud Print environments this job forwarding semantics does not apply anyway. The job is never forwarded. The job remains in the cloud and the printer updates the job status there. I see no need to restrict developers from creating insecure unaccountable products. The market will decide.=20 Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:58 PM To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 Hi Pete, That proxy via the same directory service in the same security domain under a TLS tunnel is one thing. But how do you propose that it could possibly apply in the case that one or more Cloud providers and and an entirely different target domain all participate to print the original client's job - letting that original client directly cancel jobs on those downstream printers is going to cause real headaches of accounting and security. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic =20 http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc =20 mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Zehler, Peter wrote: Ira, Well I guess we just have broken systems here that use the same backend directory service. And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as well? I'm not advocating doing strong downstream or passing client secrets along. All that is required in a fan out environment is the child trust the parent. If it is a secure system it certainly won't depend on the "requesting-user-name" and it will have a special administrative role assigned to the parent printer. The initial printer can authenticate the client. If access is permitted at the target printer then the target printer has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial printer. Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =20 Hi, OK - I'm mostly with Mike here. Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding Printers OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access control and upstream notification receipt rights. The original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-up and summarized results of the downstream Job processing. Letting the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers is a severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access control. Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstream Jobs were created by the intervening Printers. Because I assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the=20 original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication=20 in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic =20 http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc =20 mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 =20 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: Pete, =20 My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them from the parent printer? =20 But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we should: =20 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely, 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach). =20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: Mike, =09=20 The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job's "original-job-requesting-user-name" and "job-originating-user-name" are populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The upstream printer uses its own identity in the "requesting-user-name" operational attribute. It also passes along the "original-requesting-user-name" as an operational attribute. The downstream printer uses the "requesting-user-name", or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the "original-job-requesting-user-name" operational attribute to the job object AND to the job object's "job-originating-user-name". In other words the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers). =09=20 Pete =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 Pete, =09=20 If we make this change, then what is the difference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name? =09=20 Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission) =09=20 Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value. =09=20 (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...) =09=20 On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: =09=20 Please substitute "section 10.8.3 of rfc3998" for "section 10.8.8 of rfc3998" below. =09=20 =09=20 =09=20 Peter Zehler =09 Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =09=20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998 =09=20 All, =09=20 Section 10.8.2 covering "original-requesting-user-name" is a bit misleading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the "requesting-user-name". When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the "original-requesting-user-name" is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: "The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user". This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2. =09=20 Original: 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job Description Attribute =09=20 The operation attribute containing the user name of the original user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client supplied to the first Printer object. 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Ira,=

I work for Xerox and we build = production and enterprise systems.  It is within those products that t= he inconsistency within the rfc3998 was at issue.  I am not proposing = anything for cloud printing.  Although in at least some Cloud Print en= vironments this job forwarding semantics does not apply anyway.  The j= ob is never forwarded.  The job remains in the cloud and the printer u= pdates the job status there.  I see no need to restrict developers fro= m creating insecure unaccountable products.  The market will decide. <= o:p>

Pete

=

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Ema= il: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX= : (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 145= 80-9701

 

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:58 PM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDon= ald
Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] P= roposed errata for rfc3998

&= nbsp;

Hi Pete,

That proxy via the same= directory service in the same security domain
under a TLS tunnel is one= thing.

But how do you propose that it could possibly apply in the c= ase that
one or more Cloud providers and and an entirely different targe= t domain
all participate to print the original client's job - letting th= at original client
directly cancel jobs on those downstream printers is = going to cause real
headaches of accounting and security.

Cheers,=
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architec= t)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Pr= inter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Tr= usted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
= IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High Nort= h Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofm= usic
http://sites.google.com/site/= highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Pl= ace  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box = 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Ira,

Well I guess we just have broken systems here that use the same back= end directory service.  And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are b= roken as well?  I’m not advocating doing strong downstream or pa= ssing client secrets along.  All that is required in a fan out environ= ment is the child trust the parent.  If it is a secure system it certa= inly won’t depend on the “requesting-user-name” and it wi= ll have a special administrative role assigned to the parent printer. = The initial printer can authenticate the client.  If access is permit= ted at the target printer then the target printer has to tie into the same = authorization domain as the initial printer.

Pete

 

 =

Peter Zeh= ler

Xerox Research Center Webster
E= mail: Peter.Zeh= ler@Xerox.com
= Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441US Mail: Peter Zehler<= /span>
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Novemb= er 16, 2011 1:08 PM


T= o: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald

Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org


Subjec= t: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 

Hi,

OK - I'm mostly with Mi= ke here.

Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the fo= rwarding Printers
OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission an= d access
control and upstream notification receipt rights.

The or= iginal Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at
the fi= rst Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-up
an= d summarized results of the downstream Job processing.

Letting the o= riginal Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers
is a severe= security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access
control.
Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstreamJobs were created by the intervening Printers.

Because I assure yo= u that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the
original Job o= wner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication
in so-calle= d proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and
password= can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken).

Cheers,=
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printe= r Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Truste= d Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF= Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North In= c
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/high= northinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place&= nbsp; Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 4= 9839  906-494-2434<= o:p>

 

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:= 55 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Pete,

 

My point about fo= rwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-u= ser-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/wh= y do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them fr= om the parent printer?

 

But again, the current wording makes original-requestin= g-user-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-re= questing-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-o= riginating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change w= ould effectively make them the same, in which case we should:

 

1. Remove forward= ing of job-originating-user-name entirely,

= 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or

3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation at= tribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in= the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).

 

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

Mike,<= /p>

 <= /span>

The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers = (i.e. IPP Fan out and fan in).  On the first system the Job’s &#= 8220;original-job-requesting-user-name” and “job-originating-us= er-name” are populated with the same value.  Per rfc2911 that va= lue is the most authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the au= thentication service over which the IPP operation was received.  Only = if such is not available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by= the client in the "requesting-user-name".  On the next hop = is where things diverge.  The upstream printer uses its own identity&n= bsp; in  the “requesting-user-name” operational attribute.=   It also passes along the “original-requesting-user-name”= as an operational attribute.  The downstream printer uses the “= requesting-user-name”, or the identity obtained from a trusted protoc= ol layer, to insure the request is from a configured upstream printer. = ; The downstream printer then copies over the “original-job-requestin= g-user-name” operational attribute to the job object AND to the job o= bject’s “job-originating-user-name”.  In other words= the child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain= and not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).

=

 

Pete

 

=  

=

Peter Zehler<= /span>

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email= : Peter.Ze= hler@Xerox.comVoice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441US Mail: Peter Zehler<= /span>
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent:=  Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To: Zehler, Pete= r
Cc: ipp@p= wg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

 

Pete,

 

If we make this change, then what is the dif= ference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name= ?

 

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as= the authenticated original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarde= d by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since the= re is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)

 

Seems= like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be the u= nauthenticated value.

 

(and now I go off to add some text = for this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)

 

On Nov 1= 6, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:

&= nbsp;

Please substitute “section 10.8= .3 of rfc3998” for “section 10.8.8 of rfc3998” below.

 

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
= 800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
M/S 128-25E
Webs= ter NY, 14580-9701

=  

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [= mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter=
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To:&nb= sp;IPP@pwg.org
S= ubject: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

&nbs= p;

All,

 

Section 10.8.2 covering “original-reques=
ting-user-name” is a bit misleading.  The issue is that the Job =
owner is not always the same as the  “requesting-user-name”=
;.   When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the “=
original-requesting-user-name” is the most authenticated printable na=
me that can be obtained.  As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: &nbs=
p;“The "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribut=
e (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=
”.  This is inconsistent with section 10.8.2 as currently writte=
n.  Below is my proposed change to section 10.8.2.
 
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requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job
        Descriptio=
n Attribute
 
   The operation attribute =
containing the user name of the original
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   user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-=
user-name" operation
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sp;  attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original clie=
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   supplied to t=
he first Printer object.  The Printer copies the
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   "original-requesting-user-name&q=
uot; operation attribute to the
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   corresponding Job Description attribute.<=
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Corrected:
10.8.2. =
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        =
Description Attribute
<=
span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> =
;
   The operation =
attribute containing the user name of the original
   user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job
 =
;  attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies th=
e Job
   owner on the =
first Printer object.  The Printer copies the
   "original-requesting-user-name"=
; operation attribute to the
=
   corresponding Job Description attribute.
=

 =

 
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If the Job submitter (a given Printer) is *not* the Job Owner in some cases, then this tends to break the access control stuff around cancel. That is, the intervening Job submitter Printer has to sneak around and use Admin privilege to cancel a job that *it* in fact submitted - this produces some very hard to trace and correlate accounting logs across the multiple Printers, I think, but what the heck... I'm glad Mike's happy with the changes - whatever the result was??? Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Zehler, Peter wrot= e: > Ira,**** > > I work for Xerox and we build production and enterprise systems. It is > within those products that the inconsistency within the rfc3998 was at > issue. I am not proposing anything for cloud printing. Although in at > least some Cloud Print environments this job forwarding semantics does not > apply anyway. The job is never forwarded. The job remains in the cloud > and the printer updates the job status there. I see no need to restrict > developers from creating insecure unaccountable products. The market will > decide. **** > > Pete**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:58 PM > *To:* Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald > *Cc:* Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > ** ** > > Hi Pete, > > That proxy via the same directory service in the same security domain > under a TLS tunnel is one thing. > > But how do you propose that it could possibly apply in the case that > one or more Cloud providers and and an entirely different target domain > all participate to print the original client's job - letting that original > client > directly cancel jobs on those downstream printers is going to cause real > headaches of accounting and security. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434**** > > > > **** > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Zehler, Peter > wrote:**** > > Ira,**** > > Well I guess we just have broken systems here that use the same backend > directory service. And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as > well? I=92m not advocating doing strong downstream or passing client sec= rets > along. All that is required in a fan out environment is the child trust > the parent. If it is a secure system it certainly won=92t depend on the > =93requesting-user-name=94 and it will have a special administrative role > assigned to the parent printer. The initial printer can authenticate the > client. If access is permitted at the target printer then the target > printer has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial > printer.**** > > Pete**** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 **** > > **** > > *From:* Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM**** > > > *To:* Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald**** > > *Cc:* Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org**** > > > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > **** > > Hi, > > OK - I'm mostly with Mike here. > > Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding > Printers > OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access > control and upstream notification receipt rights. > > The original Job owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at > the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-= up > and summarized results of the downstream Job processing. > > Letting the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers > is a severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access > control. > > Where would the authentication credentials come when the downstream > Jobs were created by the intervening Printers. > > Because I assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of > the > original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication > in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username and > password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434**** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:* > *** > > Pete,**** > > **** > > My point about forwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name values over I= PP > is undefined. How/why do the child printers implicitly trust everything > that is sent to them from the parent printer?**** > > **** > > But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-user-name and > job-originating-user-name distinctly different: > original-requesting-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client > while job-originating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your > proposed change would effectively make them the same, in which case we > should:**** > > **** > > 1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely,**** > > 2. Delete original-requesting-user-name entirely, or**** > > 3. Make original-requesting-user-name exclusively an operation attribute > and use it to pass the forwarded job-originating-user-name value in the > fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest approach).**** > > **** > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:**** > > Mike,**** > > **** > > The semantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP > Fan out and fan in). On the first system the Job=92s > =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name= =94 are > populated with the same value. Per rfc2911 that value is the most > authenticated printable name that it can obtain from the authentication > service over which the IPP operation was received. Only if such is not > available, does the Printer object use the value supplied by the client in > the "requesting-user-name". On the next hop is where things diverge. The > upstream printer uses its own identity in the =93requesting-user-name= =94 > operational attribute. It also passes along the > =93original-requesting-user-name=94 as an operational attribute. The > downstream printer uses the =93requesting-user-name=94, or the identity > obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to insure the request is from a > configured upstream printer. The downstream printer then copies over the > =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 operational attribute to the job = object > AND to the job object=92s =93job-originating-user-name=94. In other word= s the > child job is owned by the initial submitting user throughout the chain and > not by the immediate parent (i.e. IPP Printers).**** > > **** > > Pete**** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM > *To:* Zehler, Peter > *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > **** > > Pete,**** > > **** > > If we make this change, then what is the difference between > original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-name?**** > > **** > > Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originating-user-name as the authenticated > original user and whose value is supposed to be forwarded by each client > unchanged... (something I am not 100% happy with since there is no > provision for it in an IPP job submission)**** > > **** > > Seems like the original intent was for original-requesting-user-name to be > the unauthenticated value.**** > > **** > > (and now I go off to add some text for this to JPS3 for > job-originating-user-uri...)**** > > **** > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:**** > > **** > > Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of > rfc3998=94 below.**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *Z= ehler, > Peter > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM > *To:* IPP@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998**** > > **** > > All,**** > > **** > > Section 10.8.2 covering =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misl= eading. The issue is that the Job owner is not always the same as the =93= requesting-user-name=94. When forwarding jobs from one printer to another= the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printabl= e name that can be obtained. As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =93T= he "job-originating-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], se= ction 4.3.6) remains as the authenticated original user=94. This is incons= istent with section 10.8.2 as currently written. Below is my proposed chan= ge to section 10.8.2.**** > > **** > > Original:**** > > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > > Description Attribute**** > > **** > > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > > user; i.e., corresponding to the "requesting-user-name" operation**** > > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 3.2.1.1) that the original client**** > > supplied to the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > > **** > > Corrected:**** > > 10.8.2. original-requesting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job**** > > Description Attribute**** > > **** > > The operation attribute containing the user name of the original**** > > user; i.e., corresponding to the "job-originating-user-name" Job**** > > attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6) that identifies the Job**** > > owner on the first Printer object. The Printer copies the**** > > "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute to the**** > > corresponding Job Description attribute.**** > > **** > > **** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > **** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean.**** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > > **** > > ________________________________________________________________________** > ** > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ________________________________________________________________________** > ** > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > **** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > > **** > > ** ** > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175cfc86c9fa0804b1dfc01c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete et al,

Right - if the all Printers in the chain are in the s= ame security domain
and are capable of actually impersonating the origin= al Job owner then
this works.

If the Job submitter (a given Print= er) is *not* the Job Owner in some cases,
then this tends to break the access control stuff around cancel.=A0
That is, the intervening Job submitter Printer has to sneak around and use=
Admin privilege to cancel a job that *it* in fact submitted - this pro= duces some
very hard to trace and correlate accounting logs across the multiple Printe= rs,
I think, but what the heck...

I'm glad Mike's happy w= ith the changes - whatever the result was???

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - L= inux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working G= roup
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility = Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Zehler,= Peter <Pete= r.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Ira,

= I work for Xerox and we build production and enterprise systems.=A0 It is w= ithin those products that the inconsistency within the rfc3998 was at issue= .=A0 I am not proposing anything for cloud printing.=A0 Although in at leas= t some Cloud Print environments this job forwarding semantics does not appl= y anyway.=A0 The job is never forwarded.=A0 The job remains in the cloud an= d the printer updates the job status there.=A0 I see no need to restrict de= velopers from creating insecure unaccountable products.=A0 The market will = decide.

Pete

=A0

=A0

=

Peter Ze= hler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 <= /span>

=A0

From: Ira McDonald= [mailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:58 PM
To: Zehler, Pet= er; Ira McDonald
Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org


Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

=A0

Hi Pete,

That proxy via the same directo= ry service in the same security domain
under a TLS tunnel is one thing.<= br>
But how do you propose that it could possibly apply in the case that
one= or more Cloud providers and and an entirely different target domain
all= participate to print the original client's job - letting that original= client
directly cancel jobs on those downstream printers is going to cause realheadaches of accounting and security.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux = Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.= google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-9= 44-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434=



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Zehler, Peter <<= a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xer= ox.com> wrote:

Ira,

Well = I guess we just have broken systems here that use the same backend director= y service.=A0 And does that mean schemes such as OAUTH are broken as well?= =A0 I=92m not advocating doing strong downstream or passing client secrets = along.=A0 All that is required in a fan out environment is the child trust = the parent.=A0 If it is a secure system it certainly won=92t depend on the = =93requesting-user-name=94 and it will have a special administrative role a= ssigned to the parent printer.=A0 The initial printer can authenticate the = client.=A0 If access is permitted at the target printer then the target pri= nter has to tie into the same authorization domain as the initial printer.<= /span>

= Pete

=A0

= =A0

Peter Ze= hler

Xerox Research Center Webster
= Email: Peter.Ze= hler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 <= /p>

= =A0

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:08 PM=


To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald

Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org

=


Subject: Re: [IPP] Proposed errata f= or rfc3998

= =A0

Hi,

OK - I'm mostly = with Mike here.

Also, I'm pretty strongly *not* with Bill and Pete - the forwarding= Printers
OWN the downstream Jobs and have the Job submission and access=
control and upstream notification receipt rights.

The original J= ob owner (on the cellphone) queries the *original* Job at
the first Printer (the Cloud Print Service, typically) to see the rolled-up=
and summarized results of the downstream Job processing.

Letting= the original Job submitter cancel Jobs on way downstream Printers
is a = severe security violation that breaks any possible scheme of access
control.

Where would the authentication credentials come when the do= wnstream
Jobs were created by the intervening Printers.

Because I= assure you that the Printers *cannot* have the private key of the
original Job owner and cannot keep doing strong downstream authentication <= br>in so-called proxy operations (and the assumption that simple username a= nd
password can just be sent forward out-of-band is hopelessly broken).<= br>
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEE= E-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair= - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Ma= rais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-24= 34

=A0

=

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael Sweet= <msweet@apple.com= > wrote:

Pete,

=A0

My point about f= orwarding is that the mechanism for authenticating the original-requesting-= user-name and job-originating-user-name values over IPP is undefined. How/w= hy do the child printers implicitly trust everything that is sent to them f= rom the parent printer?

=A0

But again, the current wording makes original-requesting-use= r-name and job-originating-user-name distinctly different: original-request= ing-user-name is the value that was supplied by the client while job-origin= ating-user-name is the most authenticated name. Your proposed change would = effectively make them the same, in which case we should:

=A0

1. Remove forwarding of job-originating-user-name entirely,<= u>

2. Delete original-reque= sting-user-name entirely, or

3. Make original-requesting-user-name exc= lusively an operation attribute and use it to pass the forwarded job-origin= ating-user-name value in the fan-out case (this would, IMHO, be the sanest = approach).

=A0

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Zehler, Pete= r wrote:

Mike,

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">=A0

<= /div>

The s= emantics are limited to Job forwarding systems of printers (i.e. IPP Fan ou= t and fan in).=A0 On the first system the Job=92s =93original-job-requestin= g-user-name=94 and =93job-originating-user-name=94 are populated with the s= ame value.=A0 Per rfc2911 that value is the most authenticated printable na= me that it can obtain from the authentication service over which the IPP op= eration was received. =A0Only if such is not available, does the Printer ob= ject use the value supplied by the client in the "requesting-user-name= ". =A0On the next hop is where things diverge.=A0 The upstream printer= uses its own identity=A0 in =A0the =93requesting-user-name=94 operational = attribute.=A0 It also passes along the =93original-requesting-user-name=94 = as an operational attribute.=A0 The downstream printer uses the =93requesti= ng-user-name=94, or the identity obtained from a trusted protocol layer, to= insure the request is from a configured upstream printer.=A0 The downstrea= m printer then copies over the =93original-job-requesting-user-name=94 oper= ational attribute to the job object AND to the job object=92s =93job-origin= ating-user-name=94.=A0 In other words the child job is owned by the initial= submitting user throughout the chain and not by the immediate parent (i.e.= IPP Printers).

=A0

Pete

=

=A0

=

=A0

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

=A0

=

From:=A0Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=A0
Se= nt:=A0Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:47 AM
To:=A0Zehler, Peter
Cc:=A0ipp@pwg.org
Subject:=A0Re: [IPP] Proposed er= rata for rfc3998

=A0

Pete,<= /p>

=A0

=

If we make this change, then what is the d= ifference between original-requesting-user-name and job-originating-user-na= me?

=A0

Section 10.8.4 (re)defines job-originat= ing-user-name as the authenticated original user and whose value is suppose= d to be forwarded by each client unchanged... (something I am not 100% happ= y with since there is no provision for it in an IPP job submission)<= u>

=A0

Seems like the original intent was for = original-requesting-user-name to be the unauthenticated value.

=A0

(and now I go off to add some text for = this to JPS3 for job-originating-user-uri...)

=

=A0

On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:<= u>

=A0

Please substitute =93section 10.8.3 of rfc3998=94 for =93section 10.8.8 of rfc3998=94 below.

=A0

=A0=

=A0

Peter Zehle= r

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">=A0

<= /div>

From:= =A0ipp-bounces@pwg= .org=A0[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Zehler, Peter
Sent:=A0Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:13 AM
To:=A0IPP@pwg.org
Subject:=A0[IPP] Proposed errata for rfc3998

<= /div>

=A0

All,

=A0

Section 10.8.2 covering =93origi=
nal-requesting-user-name=94 is a bit misleading.=A0 The issue is that the J=
ob owner is not always the same as the =A0=93requesting-user-name=94.=A0 =
=A0When forwarding jobs from one printer to another the =93original-request=
ing-user-name=94 is the most authenticated printable name that can be obtai=
ned.=A0 As stated in section 10.8.8 of rfc3998: =A0=93The "job-origina=
ting-user-name" Job Description attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.=
6) remains as the authenticated original user=94.=A0 This is inconsistent w=
ith section 10.8.2 as currently written.=A0 Below is my proposed change to =
section 10.8.2.

=A0

Original:

10.8.2.=A0 original-requ= esting-user-name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Descript= ion Attribute

=A0

=A0=A0 The operation att= ribute containing the user name of the original

=A0=A0 user; i.e., corresponding to = the "requesting-user-name" operation

=A0=A0 attribute (see [RFC2911], sec= tion 3.2.1.1) that the original client

=

=A0=A0 supplied to the first Printer obje= ct.=A0 The Printer copies the

=A0=A0 "original-requesting-user-name" operation attribute = to the

=A0=A0 corresponding Job Description attribute.=

=A0

Corrected:

=

10.8.2.=A0 original-requesting-user-= name (name(MAX)) Operation and Job

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Description Attribute

= =A0

=A0=A0 The operation att= ribute containing the user name of the original

=A0=A0 user; i.e., corresponding to = the=A0"job-originating-user-name&quo= t; Job

=A0=A0= attribute (see [RFC2911], section 4.3.6)=A0that identifies th= e=A0Job

=A0=A0= owner on=A0the first Printer object.=A0 The Printer copies th= e

=A0=A0 "original-re= questing-user-name" operation attribute to the

=A0=A0 corresponding Job Descr= iption attribute.

=A0

=A0

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Cente= r Webster
Email:=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

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Ira, The changes are just to drop original-requesting-user-name as a job description attribute and instead define it only as an operation attribute that is used to pass the most-authenticated user name (the job-originating-user-name value) from the parent printer to the child. This avoids having an extra job description attribute and addresses how the job-originating-user-name value on the child printer gets forwarded from the parent (using the original-requesting-user-name operation attribute). ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_qq8YETr9i+BKEysNoXot7Q) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
On Nov 16, 2011,= at 12:14 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
...
I'm glad Mike's happ= y with the changes - whatever the result was???
=
Ira,

The changes are just to drop origin= al-requesting-user-name as a job description attribute and instead define i= t only as an operation attribute that is used to pass the most-authenticate= d user name (the job-originating-user-name value) from the parent printer t= o the child. This avoids having an extra job description attribute and addr= esses how the job-originating-user-name value on the child printer gets for= warded from the parent (using the original-requesting-user-name operation a= ttribute).

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Systemu Administrator From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Nov 22 09:08:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3689021F8B45 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:08:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2KUrzBIgc+Z for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BE121F8B26 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5C07945D; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:08:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from dns.easysw.com (dns.easysw.com [208.96.52.100]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDF0791A1 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.7] (h28.66.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net [71.31.66.28]) by dns.easysw.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32CFB3C68494; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sweet Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:07:48 -0500 To: ipp@pwg.org Message-Id: <5D462EBD-07E6-4967-8573-8121B6CB5A5D@apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] Draft slides for December 2012 F2F posted X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1248217489==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 4A5C07945D.A8FD1 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1248217489== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A4AA203A-78B8-4DAA-9559-67E88960BFC0" --Apple-Mail=_A4AA203A-78B8-4DAA-9559-67E88960BFC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I have posted the draft slides for the February 2012 F2F to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-december-11d1.pdf For discussion at next week's IPP concall. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail=_A4AA203A-78B8-4DAA-9559-67E88960BFC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii All,

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This document was created by a complete rewrite IPP URI Scheme [RFC3510]. This version has numerous editorial changes from our complete review during the IPP WG call on 19 August - see Change History below. Comments? Cheers, - Ira ------------------------------------ Change History 22 November 2011 - draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04.txt Editorial - Global - Fixed typos and indentation, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised Introduction and Acknowledgments to say 'project for mobile, ubiquitous printing with generic drivers', per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised sections 3.1 and 3.2 (transport bindings) to add references to HTTP POST and section 4 of RFC 2910, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised sections 3.1 and 3.2 (transport bindings) to add section references to all well-known standards (connection setup, etc.), per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.2 (syntax) to move note from from section 4.6 (examples) and explain why literal IP addresses should NOT be used in 'ipps' URI, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised sections 4.6.1 and 4.6.2 (examples) to replace 'abc.com' w/ 'example.com' (per IETF) and replace '/printer' path element w/ '/ipp' (better practice), per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.2 (Printer conformance) to fold former (c) and (d) into a single requirement for standard port 631 and reordered other requirements to group MUSTs before SHOULDs, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.2 (Printer conformance) to add backward reference to section 4.2 for rationale for not using IP literal addresses, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 6 (IANA) to explicitly state that 'ipps' uses secure communications using HTTP over TLS, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 7 (Security) to cleanup numerous loose ends, per IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 8 (References) to cleanup typos and links, per IPP WG review. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00151761c92ae4f22004b259e167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I've just posted another Internet-Draft of= IPP over HTTP Transport Binding and
'ipps<= /span>' URI Scheme to:

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/dra= ft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.txt
=A0- plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed= characters)

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/dra= ft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.pdf
=A0- PDF of plaintext w/ line numbers (review *this* one)

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/dra= ft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.htm
=A0- HTML format

This document has already been accepted and posted= to the IETF I-D repository.

This document was created by a complete rewrite IPP URI Scheme= =A0 [RFC3510].

This version has numerous editorial changes from our comp= lete review during
the IPP WG call on 19 August - see Change History be= low.

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira

----------------------------------= --
Change History

=A0=A0 22 November 2011 - draft-mcdonald-ipps-u= ri-scheme-04.txt

=A0=A0 Editorial - Global - Fixed typos and indent= ation, per IPP WG review.

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised Introduction and Acknowledgments to say '= ;project
=A0=A0=A0=A0 for mobile, ubiquitous printing with generic drive= rs', per IPP WG
=A0=A0=A0=A0 review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - R= evised sections 3.1 and 3.2 (transport bindings) to add
=A0=A0=A0=A0 references to HTTP POST and section 4 of RFC 2910, per IPP WG<= br>=A0=A0=A0=A0 review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised sections 3.1 = and 3.2 (transport bindings) to add
=A0=A0=A0=A0 section references to = all well-known standards (connection setup,
=A0=A0=A0=A0 etc.), per IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revise= d section 4.2 (syntax) to move note from from
=A0=A0=A0=A0 section 4.6 (= examples) and explain why literal IP addresses should
=A0=A0=A0=A0 NOT b= e used in 'ipps' URI, per IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised sections 4.6.1 and 4.6.2 (examples) to repla= ce
=A0=A0=A0=A0 'abc.com' w/ '= ;example.com' (per IETF) and replace= '/printer' path
=A0=A0=A0=A0 element w/ '/ipp' (better practice), per IPP WG review= .=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 5.2 (Printer conformance) t= o fold former
=A0=A0=A0=A0 (c) and (d) into a single requirement for sta= ndard port 631 and
=A0=A0=A0=A0 reordered other requirements to group MUSTs before SHOULDs, pe= r IPP
=A0=A0=A0=A0 WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised sect= ion 5.2 (Printer conformance) to add backward
=A0=A0=A0=A0 reference to = section 4.2 for rationale for not using IP literal
=A0=A0=A0=A0 addresses, per IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Re= vised section 6 (IANA) to explicitly state that 'ipps'
=A0=A0= =A0=A0 uses secure communications using HTTP over TLS, per IPP WG review.
=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 7 (Security) to cleanup numerous l= oose
=A0=A0=A0=A0 ends, per IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised= section 8 (References) to cleanup typos and
=A0=A0=A0=A0 links, per IPP= WG review.=A0


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--_000_3EA329D410EC224FB7FF3C21A0B0E8740301C0B7DE3DADCW23EXMBa_-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sat Nov 26 09:18:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0E321F8B80 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:18:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.564, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CwucfVc16m-k for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537DB21F8B7C for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2173C79595; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:18:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-bw0-f46.google.com (mail-bw0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E1479545; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by bke11 with SMTP id 11so6946412bke.5 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:18:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=szRBpWzeDWs3uXQpl8QHPao9WG8qiInwLf9Oth8FPYg=; b=qZngM4D2rXo+PEerwZTokqxL177JLL4DAA85PBhsVbNIvKMcQDHRE3mdQifP3tLWlS Hxbg10T2jhsmbMFLvqqnkQnyMitsHalLPMYcw8vajDTzYkh1Co4DhYhvME6b5g47CWI8 JAnYhObBPXkB+RbmA71hQOiG8GtuxoFxrygGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.76 with SMTP id r12mr35672754bkw.115.1322327883182; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.63.5 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:18:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:18:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, cloud@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Ron Nevo , William Wagner , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 1-3pm EST Monday 28 November 2011 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1329845654==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 2173C79595.A88DE X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1329845654== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175df2b6c0f31404b2a673c0 --0015175df2b6c0f31404b2a673c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday. Monday 28 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler): Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=PwgSemanticModel&role=attend&pw=LetMeIn URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join Meeting ID: PwgSemanticModel Entry Code: LetMeIn *** Main Objective - Review IPP and Cloud slides for PWG F2F *** Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf (3) Review IPP WG slides for PWG F2F - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-december-11d1.pdf (4) Status of IPP specs - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.pdf - other updates? (5) Review Cloud Imaging WG slides for PWG F2F - if available (6) Next Steps - IPP WG on Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in Austin, TX - IPP WG or Cloud Imaging WG on Monday 19 December or 9 January??? Cheers, - Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175df2b6c0f31404b2a673c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday.

=A0 Monday 28 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST

=A0 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

=A0 Attendee Access Code: *******#
=A0 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.

Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler):

=A0 Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DPwgSemanticModel&role= =3Dattend&pw=3DLetMeIn
=A0 URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join
=A0 Meeting ID: PwgS= emanticModel
=A0 Entry Code: LetMeIn

*** Main Objective - Review IPP and Cloud slides for PWG F2F ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
=A0 =A0=A0 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting
=A0=A0 =A0 - = ftp://ftp.pwg.or= g/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf

(3) Review IPP WG slides for PWG F2F
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-december-11d1.pdf

(4) S= tatus of IPP specs
=A0 =A0=A0 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/i= pp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.pdf
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - = other updates?

(5) Review Cloud Imaging WG slides for PWG F2F
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - if ava= ilable
=A0=A0=A0
(6) Next Steps
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP WG on Tuesday 6 December= 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in Austin, TX
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP WG or Cloud Imaging WG on Monday 19 December or 9 January???

C= heers,
- Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair)

Ira McDonald (Mus= ician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WGSecretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IP= P WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded System= s Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roo= f Music/High North Inc
http://sites.googl= e.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434


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Known issues: - How do we want to map Printer MIB inputTray and outputTray - like media-source-properties or like printer-alert/printer-supply? - Do we start using CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED in IPP specs? - Investigate document object vs. job life cycle - failed document can abort job or allow completion with errors - Document fidelity - do we have something, do we want something analogous to job ticket fidelity - don't print whole job unless all documents can be printed (access control/passwords) - Validate-Document operation? _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sun Nov 27 09:00:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BDB21F8C1F for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:00:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4tcYWIMu0Hfl for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836B821F8C19 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB73795BE; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:59:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5730A795AE for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2Gir1i0041u4NiLA8Gz9VX; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:59:09 +0000 Received: from WAMNotebook ([72.19.32.125]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2HDj1i00d2hym888hHDmVx; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:54 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000001ccad25$e3c6bef0$ab543cd0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcysX1vdtyXL62Z7Rpqzzh7mhvMGOQAxeTuQ Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Cloud Slides- 1-3pm EST Monday 28 November 2011 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1933508220==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: AFB73795BE.A92FA X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1933508220== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CCACFB.FAF0B6F0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CCACFB.FAF0B6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron's proposed slides for Cloud meeting and Plenary are posted at ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Meeting-December-2011.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Plenary-December-11.pdf These are for discussion during Monday's joint conference call identified below. Bill Wagner From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 12:18 PM To: ipp@pwg.org; cloud@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ron Nevo; William Wagner; Ira McDonald Subject: IPP Agenda - 1-3pm EST Monday 28 November 2011 Hi, Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday. Monday 28 November 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler): Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=PwgSemanticModel&role=attend&pw =LetMeIn URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join Meeting ID: PwgSemanticModel Entry Code: LetMeIn *** Main Objective - Review IPP and Cloud slides for PWG F2F *** Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf (3) Review IPP WG slides for PWG F2F - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-december-11d1.pdf (4) Status of IPP specs - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122. pdf - other updates? (5) Review Cloud Imaging WG slides for PWG F2F - if available (6) Next Steps - IPP WG on Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at PWG F2F in Austin, TX - IPP WG or Cloud Imaging WG on Monday 19 December or 9 January??? Cheers, - Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CCACFB.FAF0B6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ron’= ;s proposed slides for Cloud meeting and Plenary are posted at <= /span>

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slide= s/Cloud-WG-Meeting-December-2011.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Plenary= -December-11.pdf

 

These are for discussio= n during Monday’s joint conference call identified below.<= /span>

Bill Wagner

 

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: S= aturday, November 26, 2011 12:18 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org; cloud@pwg.or= g; Michael R Sweet; Ron Nevo; William Wagner; Ira McDonald
Subject: IPP Agenda - 1-3pm EST Monday 28 November 2011

 

Hi,
Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday.

  Monday 28 November= 10am-12pm US PST / 1-3pm US EST

  Call-in toll-free number (US= /Canada): 1-866-469-3239
  Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
  Call-in toll num= ber (US/Canada): 1-408-856= -9570 (Backup)

  Attendee Access Code: *******#
  A= ttendee ID Code: # (empty)

If you need the Attendee Access code, ple= ase email me a request.

Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler):=

  Link: = https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id= =3DPwgSemanticModel&role=3Dattend&pw=3DLetMeIn
 = URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join
  Meeting ID: PwgS= emanticModel
  Entry Code: LetMeIn

*** Main Objective - Revi= ew IPP and Cloud slides for PWG F2F ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Po= licy and Minute Taker
     - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP= minutes from previous meeting
     - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minute= s/ippv2-concall-minutes-20111031.pdf

(3) Review IPP WG slides for PWG F2F
   =   - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-december-= 11d1.pdf

(4) Status of IPP specs
     - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonal= d-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.pdf
     - other u= pdates?

(5) Review Cloud Imaging WG slides for PWG F2F
 &nbs= p;   - if available
   
(6) Next Steps
&= nbsp;    - IPP WG on Tuesday 6 December 1:15-5pm US CST - at= PWG F2F in Austin, TX
     - IPP WG or Cloud Imagin= g WG on Monday 19 December or 9 January???

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP WG = Co-Chair)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printe= r Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Truste= d Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF= Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North In= c
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/high= northinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place&= nbsp; Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221&= nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

 


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All - I had to rewrite the Transport Binding sequences pretty heavily to make them more accurate and reference section numbers/names in the normative well-known protocols. Please proof closely. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Paul Tykodi Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 6:16 AM Subject: Found Typo in ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122 To: Ira McDonald Cc: msweet@apple.com Hi Ira,**** ** ** ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122= .pdf **** ** ** I found on lines 250 and 306 that the word =93to=94 is missing. The current text states =93connection the target endpoint=94 and it should read =93conn= ection to the target endpoint=94.**** ** ** Best Regards,**** ** ** /Paul**** ** ** ** ** ** ** [image: Description: header]**** Successfully Connecting Printers Is Our Specialty**** *Paul Tykodi* *Principal Consultant* **** *Tykodi Consulting Services LLC* 3 Lowell Ave. Dover, NH 03820-2705 **** *Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP Working Group***** ptykodi@tykodi.com **** tel: fax: mobile: Skype ID:**** (603) 343-1820 [image: Description: C:\Users\PTykodi\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Signatures\click_to_call.gif] (603) 343-1820 (603) 866-0712 [image: Description: C:\Users\PTykodi\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Signatures\click_to_call.gif] tykodiconsultingservices **** Want to always have my latest info? **** Want a signature like this? **** ** ** ** ** --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175df17035ca4f04b2bafed9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Thanks Paul - copying to IPP list for archive.

All - I ha= d to rewrite the Transport Binding sequences pretty heavily
to make them= more accurate and reference section numbers/names
in the normative well= -known protocols.=A0 Please proof closely.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEE= E-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair= - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



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Subject: Found Typo in ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122
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Hi Ira,

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ftp://ftp.pwg.org/p= ub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-04-20111122.pdf<= /u>

=A0

I found = on lines 250 and 306 that the word =93to=94 is missing. The current text st= ates =93connection to the= target endpoint=94.

=A0

Best Reg= ards,

=A0

/Paul

=A0<= /u>

=A0

=A0

3D"Description:

= Successfully Connecting Printers Is Our Specialty

Paul Tykodi
Principal Consultant=A0

Tykodi Consulting Services LLC=
<= span style=3D"color:#4e81c4;text-decoration:none">3 Lowell Ave.
Dover, N= H 03820-2705

Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP Working Group

ptykodi@tykodi.com

tel:
fax:
mobile:
Skype ID:=

= (603) 343-1820
(603) 343-1820
(= 603) 866-0712
tykodiconsultingservices

Want to always have my latest = info?

Want a signature like this?

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I corrected a line like this in the November 26 draft I just posted. (and yes I need to update the document links on the IPP WG web page...) On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > All, > The line > 1279 If the Printer determines that the supplied "document-password" value is not, it MUST > Seems to be missing something before the comma. > Pete > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_iCGgfBZOxn2xmQfUHEhVmQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
All,
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Xerox = Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.= Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 

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So I guess it won't be an issue once the link is updated. Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:05 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: IPP@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] JPS3 comment =20 Pete, =20 What version of the draft are you seeing this in? I corrected a line like this in the November 26 draft I just posted. =20 (and yes I need to update the document links on the IPP WG web page...) =20 On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: All, The line 1279 If the Printer determines that the supplied "document-password" value is not, it MUST Seems to be missing something before the comma. Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCADE9.1E59B6E1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike,

I was checking something for = one of my specs and used the link on the IPP page which is the 10/13/11 ver= sion.   So I guess it won’t be an issue once the link is up= dated.

Pete

 

 

Pe= ter Zehler

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800 Phill= ips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Web= ster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@ap= ple.com]
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Pete,

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What version of the dra= ft are you seeing this in? I corrected a line like this in the November 26 = draft I just posted.

&nb= sp;

(and yes I need to update the = document links on the IPP WG web page...)

 

On Nov 28,= 2011, at 4:32 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:



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The line

1279 If the Printer determines that the supplied "document-passw= ord" value is not, it MUST

Seems to be missing something before the comma.

Pete

&n= bsp;

 

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The next Cloud= Imaging WG conference call is December 19, 2011.  The next IPP WG con= ference call is January 9, 2012.

There are no new = action items.

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I suggest that, since the IETF seems to heavily re= ly on this one, we just take
the plain keyword names for the 15 DC v1.1 = elements defined in RFC 5013
and say they're what goes into values o= f a new single IPP attribute:

=A0 document-dc-metadata (1setOf (octetString (MAX))

where each = value is:

=A0 keyword=3Dvalue (utf-8 string)

Note that no pat= hs or qualifiers are needed - the elements are free-standing.
RFC 5013 i= s technically equivalent to DCMI v1.1 and the XML schema.

WDYT?

Cheers,
- Ira



Ira McDonald= (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing = WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO P= WG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded System= s Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
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I assume we also want to add "document-dc-metadata" as Document Description, Job Description, and Operation attributes - we already do this for the document-xxx attributes defined in RFC 2911 and PWG 5100.7... On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Pete and Mike, > > I suggest that, since the IETF seems to heavily rely on this one, we just take > the plain keyword names for the 15 DC v1.1 elements defined in RFC 5013 > and say they're what goes into values of a new single IPP attribute: > > document-dc-metadata (1setOf (octetString (MAX)) > > where each value is: > > keyword=value (utf-8 string) > > Note that no paths or qualifiers are needed - the elements are free-standing. > RFC 5013 is technically equivalent to DCMI v1.1 and the XML schema. > > WDYT? > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_K7kK3i92aa2uIZZSNWkC7Q) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ira,

Th= at works for me, and if you like I can add this to JPS3 before the F2F.

I assume we also want to add "document-dc-metadata" a= s Document Description, Job Description, and Operation attributes - we alre= ady do this for the document-xxx attributes defined in RFC 2911 and PWG 510= 0.7...


On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:40 AM,= Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Pete and Mike,
I suggest that, since the IETF seems to heavily rely on this one, we just= take
the plain keyword names for the 15 DC v1.1 elements defined in RFC= 5013
and say they're what goes into values of a new single IPP attribut= e:

  document-dc-metadata (1setOf (octetString (MAX))

where ea= ch value is:

  keyword=3Dvalue (utf-8 string)

Note that = no paths or qualifiers are needed - the elements are free-standing.
RFC = 5013 is technically equivalent to DCMI v1.1 and the XML schema.

WDYT?

Cheers,
- Ira



Ira McDonald= (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing = WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO P= WG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded System= s Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roo= f Music/High North Inc
http://sites.googl= e.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094=
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________________________= ________________________________________________
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Yes - I like this clean and simple approach. It really hardly needs ABNF (though I could write a closed one for the 15 keywords in about 20 minutes). One LAST question - do we want to stack these critters (keyword=value;keyword=value), so that each document-dc-metadata value is one *set* of related metadata (creator, date, etc.)? I vote no - keep it simple - it's just a flat list - 2 creators is 2 creator array values. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > That works for me, and if you like I can add this to JPS3 before the F2F. > > I assume we also want to add "document-dc-metadata" as Document > Description, Job Description, and Operation attributes - we already do this > for the document-xxx attributes defined in RFC 2911 and PWG 5100.7... > > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Pete and Mike, > > I suggest that, since the IETF seems to heavily rely on this one, we just > take > the plain keyword names for the 15 DC v1.1 elements defined in RFC 5013 > and say they're what goes into values of a new single IPP attribute: > > document-dc-metadata (1setOf (octetString (MAX)) > > where each value is: > > keyword=value (utf-8 string) > > Note that no paths or qualifiers are needed - the elements are > free-standing. > RFC 5013 is technically equivalent to DCMI v1.1 and the XML schema. > > WDYT? > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175d682a46190004b2d29dfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

You got it.

Yes - I like this clean and simple appro= ach.=A0 It really hardly needs
ABNF (though I could write a closed one f= or the 15 keywords in
about 20 minutes).

One LAST question - do w= e want to stack these critters
(keyword=3Dvalue;keyword=3Dvalue), so that each
document-dc-metadata va= lue is one *set* of related metadata
(creator, date, etc.)?

I vo= te no - keep it simple - it's just a flat list - 2 creators is 2 creato= r
array values.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Mu= sician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites= .google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://si= tes.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-9= 44-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Ira,

That works for = me, and if you like I can add this to JPS3 before the F2F.

I assume we also want to add "document-dc-metadata" as D= ocument Description, Job Description, and Operation attributes - we already= do this for the document-xxx attributes defined in RFC 2911 and PWG 5100.7= ...


On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:40 AM, I= ra McDonald wrote:
Hi Pete and Mike,

= I suggest that, since the IETF seems to heavily rely on this one, we just t= ake
the plain keyword names for the 15 DC v1.1 elements defined in RFC 5013
= and say they're what goes into values of a new single IPP attribute:

=A0 document-dc-metadata (1setOf (octetString (MAX))

where each = value is:

=A0 keyword=3Dvalue (utf-8 string)

Note that no pat= hs or qualifiers are needed - the elements are free-standing.
RFC 5013 i= s technically equivalent to DCMI v1.1 and the XML schema.

WDYT?

Cheers,
- Ira



Ira McDonald= (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing = WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO P= WG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded System= s Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roo= f Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.= com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434


______________________________________________________________________= __
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair



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It really hardly needs > ABNF (though I could write a closed one for the 15 keywords in > about 20 minutes). I did an ABNF anyways, and allow the fixed set of 15 keyword in 5013 or any "x-foo" keyword for vendor/client-defined values that need to be propagated. > One LAST question - do we want to stack these critters > (keyword=value;keyword=value), so that each > document-dc-metadata value is one *set* of related metadata > (creator, date, etc.)? That would open up quoting issues for the values - we could certainly do this, but given that we have a list of key/value pairs applying to the current document I don't see any advantage... ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_ncTgU9SGwsKGCJMKJ1kGZg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
On Nov 28, 2011,= at 1:59 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,
You got it.

Yes - I like this clean and simple approach.  = It really hardly needs
ABNF (though I could write a closed one for the 1= 5 keywords in
about 20 minutes).

I did an= ABNF anyways, and allow the fixed set of 15 keyword in 5013 or any "x-foo"= keyword for vendor/client-defined values that need to be propagated.
=

One LAST question - do we want to stack = these critters
(keyword=3Dvalue;keyword=3Dvalue), so that each
document-dc-metadata va= lue is one *set* of related metadata
(creator, date, etc.)?

That would open up quoting issues for the values - we c= ould certainly do this, but given that we have a list of key/value pairs ap= plying to the current document I don't see any advantage...

<= /div>
________________________= ________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, S= enior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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All lowercase keywords (what RFC 5013 calls the 'Elment Name' in section 6) followed by a single literal equal sign '=', followed by zero or more UTF-8 characters (which can be multi-octet). Allow for the zero characters for the explict empty string value being passed through from another document metadata interface. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Nov 28, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > You got it. > > Yes - I like this clean and simple approach. It really hardly needs > ABNF (though I could write a closed one for the 15 keywords in > about 20 minutes). > > > I did an ABNF anyways, and allow the fixed set of 15 keyword in 5013 or > any "x-foo" keyword for vendor/client-defined values that need to be > propagated. > > One LAST question - do we want to stack these critters > (keyword=value;keyword=value), so that each > document-dc-metadata value is one *set* of related metadata > (creator, date, etc.)? > > > That would open up quoting issues for the values - we could certainly do > this, but given that we have a list of key/value pairs applying to the > current document I don't see any advantage... > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --000e0cdfd9006473bc04b2d35ef0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

I agree - let's not introduce quoting/escaping issues.<= br>
All lowercase keywords (what RFC 5013 calls the 'Elment Name'= ;
in section 6) followed by a single literal equal sign '=3D', f= ollowed
by zero or more UTF-8 characters (which can be multi-octet).
Allow for t= he zero characters for the explict empty string value
being passed throu= gh from another document metadata interface.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - L= inux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working G= roup
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility = Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, = 2011, at 1:59 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mik= e,

You got it.

Yes - I like this clean and simple approach.= =A0 It really hardly needs
ABNF (though I could write a closed one for the 15 keywords in
about 20 = minutes).

I did an ABNF anyways, and a= llow the fixed set of 15 keyword in 5013 or any "x-foo" keyword f= or vendor/client-defined values that need to be propagated.

One LAST question - do= we want to stack these critters
(keyword=3Dvalue;keyword=3Dvalue), so that each
document-dc-metadata va= lue is one *set* of related metadata
(creator, date, etc.)?

That would open up quoting issues for the values = - we could certainly do this, but given that we have a list of key/value pa= irs applying to the current document I don't see any advantage...

______________________________________________________________________= __
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair



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Please send in your comments. We also need to reach consensus which requires a response from at least 30% of the PWG members. Even if you have no comments I still need your response to move this specification forward. Pete =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Zehler, Peter=20 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:26 AM To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG Last Call of System Object and System Control Service Semantics (11/3/11 - 12/8/11) =20 All, =20 [This PWG Last Call will start today on Thursday November 3, 2011. This PWG Last Call will end Thursday December 8, 2011 at 10pm US PDT.] =20 This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the System=20 Object and System Control Service Semantics, which is located at: =20 All required operations and attributes defined in this document have been prototyped by Xerox and/or other vendors through their deployment of existing protocols such as ISO 10175, IETF/PWG IPP and SNMP/Printer MIB. The MFD WG has completed a working group last call and subsequent revisions of this document. =20 The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members must acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any document can progress to PWG Formal Vote. This PWG Last Call is NOT a Formal Vote but it DOES require your review acknowledgment. =20 Please send your review acknowledgment *exactly* as follows: =20 To: mfd at pwg.org >=20 Subject: has reviewed the System Object and System Control=20 Service Semantics and has [no] comments =20 =20 Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list. =20 Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 is located at: =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCAE95.35E40C6F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

I am hoping we can discuss the comments on this specificati= on at the upcoming Face to Face.  Please send in your comments.  = We also need to reach consensus which requires a response from at least 30%= of the PWG members.  Even if you have no comments I still need your r= esponse to move this specification forward.

Pete

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Peter Zehler

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Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
= US Mail: Peter Zehler
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From: Zehler, Peter
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All,
<= pre>[This PWG Last Call will start today on Thursday November 3, 2011.= 
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This is the formal=
 announcement of the PWG Last Call for the System 
Obj=
ect and System Control Service Semantics, which is located at:
<ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdsystem=
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All required operations and attributes defined in this document=
 have
been prototyped by Xerox and/or other vendors th=
rough their deployment
of existing protocols such as I=
SO 10175, IETF/PWG IPP and SNMP/Printer MIB.
The MFD W=
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revisions of this document.
 
=
The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members=

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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] Update to the update for JPS3... thread-index: AcyutOKXQEaD4VktRe+dcsBr9Zz+Qg== From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "Michael Sweet" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2011 16:35:39.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE180680:01CCAEB4] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0890252348==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 4DF5C79681.AA790 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0890252348== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCAEB4.E70386FF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCAEB4.E70386FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =20 I'd prefer to have all the Dublin Core elements and terms (that's keywords to us). Dublin Core has two namespaces and . The namespace maps to RFC5013 and the namespace maps to . The "DCMI Metadata Terms" specification at contains all the term names and definitions. =20 I'd either like to change the dc-keyword definition to: dc-keyword =3D "title" / "creator" / "subject" / "description" / "publisher" / "contributor" / "date" / "type" / "format" / "identifier" / "source" / "language" / "relation" / "coverage" / "rights" / "alternative" / "tableOfContents" / "abstract" / "created" / "valid" / "available" / "issued" / "modified" / "dateAccepted" / "dateCopyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" / "extent" / "medium" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" / "isReplacedBy" / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" / "requires" / "isPartOf" / "hasPart" / "isReferencedBy" / "references" / "isFormatOf" / "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / "spatial" / "temporal" / "audience" / "accrualMethod" / "accrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPolicy" / "instructionalMethod" / "provenance" / "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "educationLevel" / "accessRights" / "license" / "bibliographicCitation" =20 Or keep the elements and terms separate and change the definition to: (Note: terms actually contains all elements but I deleted them to delineate RFC5013 keyword subset.) =20 document-dc-metadata =3D dc-elements "=3D" *utf8-char /=20 dc-terms "=3D" *utf8-char / x-keyword "=3D" *utf8-char =20 dc-elements =3D "contributor" / "coverage" / "creator" / "date" / "description" / "format" / "identifier" / "language" / "publisher" / "relation" / "rights" / "source" / "subject" / "title" / "type" =20 dc-terms =3D "alternative" / "tableOfContents" / "abstract" / "created" / "valid" / "available" / "issued" / "modified" / "dateAccepted" / "dateCopyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" / "extent" / "medium" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" / "isReplacedBy" / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" / "requires" / "isPartOf" / "hasPart" / "isReferencedBy" / "references" / "isFormatOf" / "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / "spatial" / "temporal" / "audience" / "accrualMethod" / "accrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPolicy" / "instructionalMethod" / "provenance" / "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "educationLevel" / "accessRights" / "license" / "bibliographicCitation" =20 x-keyword =3D "x-" 1*(ALPHA / DIGIT / "." / "-" / "_") =20 utf8-char =3D %x20-7E / %xC0-DF.80-BF / %xE0-EF.80-BF.80-BF / %xF0-F7.80-BF.80-BF.80-BF =20 =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:09 PM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Update to the update for JPS3... =20 All, =20 I have posted yet another update to JPS to: =20 =20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111128.docx =20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111128.pdf =20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20111128-rev.pd f =20 The only changes are to add document-dc-metadata and the associated semantic support. =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCAEB4.E70386FF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,=

 

I’d prefer to have all the Dublin Core ele= ments and terms (that’s keywords to us). Dublin Core has two namespac= es <http://purl.org/dc/elem= ents/1.1/>  and <http:= //purl.org/dc/terms/>. The namespace <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> maps to RFC5013 = and the namespace <http://purl.org= /dc/terms/> maps to <http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/> .  The= “DCMI Metadata Terms” specification at  <http://dublincore.org/documents/= dcmi-terms/> contains all the term names and definitions.=

 

I’d either like to change the dc-keyword definiti= on to:

dc-keyword =3D &quo= t;title" / "creator" / "subject" /

<= p class=3DExampleCxSpMiddle>        = ;     "description" / "publisher" /= "contributor" /

 = ;            "d= ate" / "type" / "format" / "identifier" = /

     =         "source" / "langu= age" / "relation" /

            = "coverage" / "rights" / "alternative" /=

      =        "tableOfContents" / "ab= stract" / "created" /

           &nbs= p; "valid" / "available" / "issued" / "m= odified" /

  &nbs= p;          "dateAccepted= " / "dateCopyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" /

      &nbs= p;      "extent" / "medium" / = "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" /

         =     "isReplacedBy" / "replaces" / "= isRequiredBy" /

  = ;           "require= s" / "isPartOf" / "hasPart" /

        &nbs= p;    "isReferencedBy" / "references" / = "isFormatOf" /

 &= nbsp;           "has= Format" / "conformsTo" / "spatial" /

       &nb= sp;     "temporal" / "audience" / &= quot;accrualMethod" /

 = ;            "a= ccrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPolicy" /

         = ;    "instructionalMethod" / "provenance"= ; /

    &nbs= p;        "rightsHolder" / &qu= ot;mediator" / "educationLevel" /

         &nbs= p;   "accessRights" / "license" / "bibli= ographicCitation"

 =

Or keep the elements and terms separa= te and change the definition to:

= (Note: terms actually contains all elements but I deleted them to de= lineate RFC5013 keyword subset.)

 

document-dc-metada= ta =3D dc-elements "=3D" *utf8-char /

         &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;dc-terms "=3D" *utf8-char /

          &nbs= p;            x-keyw= ord "=3D" *utf8-char

<= o:p> 

dc-elements =3D "cont= ributor" / "coverage" / "creator" /

=

       &nbs= p;     "date" / "description" / &qu= ot;format" /

  &n= bsp;          "identifier= " / "language" / "publisher" /

        &nb= sp;    "relation" / "rights" / "sou= rce" /

   &n= bsp;         "subject" / = "title" / "type"

 

dc-terms =3D  &= nbsp;"alternative" / "tableOfContents" /

=

       &nbs= p;     "abstract" / "created" / &qu= ot;valid" / "available" /

           =   "issued" / "modified" / "dateAccepted"= /

     = ;        "dateCopyrighted" / &= quot;dateSubmitted" /

 = ;            "e= xtent" / "medium" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersi= on" /

   &nb= sp;         "isReplacedBy"= ; / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" /

         = ;    "requires" / "isPartOf" / "has= Part" /

   &= nbsp;         "isReferencedBy&= quot; / "references" / "isFormatOf" /

        &= nbsp;    "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / &q= uot;spatial" /

  =            "temporal= " / "audience" / "accrualMethod" /

<= p class=3DExampleCxSpMiddle>        = ;     "accrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPol= icy" /

   &n= bsp;         "instructionalMet= hod" / "provenance" /

           &nbs= p; "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "educationLevel&q= uot; /

    &= nbsp;        "accessRights" / = "license" / "bibliographicCitation"

 

x= -keyword  =3D "x-" 1*(ALPHA / DIGIT / "." / "= -" / "_")

&n= bsp;

utf8-char  =3D %x20-7E /

     &nbs= p;       %xC0-DF.80-BF /

        &nbs= p;    %xE0-EF.80-BF.80-BF /

           =   %xF0-F7.80-BF.80-BF.80-BF

=  

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Resear= ch Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-875= 5
FAX: (585) 265-7441
U= S Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of = Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:09 PM
T= o: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [I= PP] Update to the update for JPS3...

 

All,

 

I have posted yet another update to JPS to:

=

 

 

The only changes are to add document-d= c-metadata and the associated semantic support.

 

______________________________________________________= __________________

Mich= ael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

=

 


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From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:37:14 -0800 Message-id: <2091274D-0221-473E-8EB9-3E4853246DED@apple.com> References: To: "Zehler, Peter" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiON2ZWddb4qqfwdTFbBbH9r1ksTjyLdai 48lKVgdmj60nf7B5zFs8nclj+an1bAHMUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZKy9dYSr4Poup4lPvGbYG xj/fGLsYOTkkBEwkvu+8ygZhi0lcuLceyObiEBJYyyhx4+wDsISwgLHEua3HWUBsXiB7za13 YDazQIJE9+kzYIPYBNQkfk/qYwWxOQUCJJbtOgIU5+BgEVCVuDfTFqKcX+Jg7wdmiDE2EvM3 PmcCsYUE/CXeNUCMERHQkdj4cD8zxD3yEi1f77BNYOSbhWTzLCSbIWxtiWULXzND2AYSTztf sWKK60u8eTeHaQEj2ypGwaLUnMRKQ1O9xIKCnFS95PzcTYyg0G0oNNvBuOOv3CFGAQ5GJR5e zu2X/YRYE8uKK3MPMUpwMCuJ8AazXfUT4k1JrKxKLcqPLyrNSS0+xCjNwaIkzvtK+oqfkEB6 YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgXFWkKQiw60PbCcELIs1K5b8rMwJuZWuJpfQGb6l/dvLybXPapcW SWZqL5oa9GDtp8NPos7mxfm6a0QK59u3vU5K2d2p8LvQqHVvzPzuqq6w6Ln7Znrcct77ikmS 9fRED0OrZ/1fFJak5Pkv1Sjitn76kNVj99OF2tdjra7o9nq8VprQEaofosRSnJFoqMVcVJwI AOQGFRhZAgAA X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0033763611==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 50AF479686.AA536 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0033763611== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ndL6f5yJTmcpAgg6oIvilw)" --Boundary_(ID_ndL6f5yJTmcpAgg6oIvilw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Pete, I like the second form and will update JPS3 accordingly. On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > All, >=20=20 > I=92d prefer to have all the Dublin Core elements and terms (that=92s key= words to us). Dublin Core has two namespaces and . The namespace maps to RFC5013 and the namespace = maps to . The =93DCMI Metada= ta Terms=94 specification at = contains all the term names and definitions. >=20=20 > I=92d either like to change the dc-keyword definition to: > dc-keyword =3D "title" / "creator" / "subject" / > "description" / "publisher" / "contributor" / > "date" / "type" / "format" / "identifier" / > "source" / "language" / "relation" / > "coverage" / "rights" / "alternative" / > "tableOfContents" / "abstract" / "created" / > "valid" / "available" / "issued" / "modified" / > "dateAccepted" / "dateCopyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" / > "extent" / "medium" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" / > "isReplacedBy" / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" / > "requires" / "isPartOf" / "hasPart" / > "isReferencedBy" / "references" / "isFormatOf" / > "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / "spatial" / > "temporal" / "audience" / "accrualMethod" / > "accrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPolicy" / > "instructionalMethod" / "provenance" / > "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "educationLevel" / > "accessRights" / "license" / "bibliographicCitation" >=20=20 >=20 > Or keep the elements and terms separate and change the definition to: > (Note: terms actually contains all elements but I deleted them to delinea= te RFC5013 keyword subset.) >=20=20 > document-dc-metadata =3D dc-elements "=3D" *utf8-char / > dc-terms "=3D" *utf8-char / > x-keyword "=3D" *utf8-char >=20=20 > dc-elements =3D "contributor" / "coverage" / "creator" / > "date" / "description" / "format" / > "identifier" / "language" / "publisher" / > "relation" / "rights" / "source" / > "subject" / "title" / "type" >=20=20 > dc-terms =3D "alternative" / "tableOfContents" / > "abstract" / "created" / "valid" / "available" / > "issued" / "modified" / "dateAccepted" / > "dateCopyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" / > "extent" / "medium" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" / > "isReplacedBy" / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" / > "requires" / "isPartOf" / "hasPart" / > "isReferencedBy" / "references" / "isFormatOf" / > "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / "spatial" / > "temporal" / "audience" / "accrualMethod" / > "accrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPolicy" / > "instructionalMethod" / "provenance" / > "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "educationLevel" / > "accessRights" / "license" / "bibliographicCitation" >=20=20 > x-keyword =3D "x-" 1*(ALPHA / DIGIT / "." / "-" / "_") >=20=20 > utf8-char =3D %x20-7E / > %xC0-DF.80-BF / > %xE0-EF.80-BF.80-BF / > %xF0-F7.80-BF.80-BF.80-BF >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Micha= el Sweet > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:09 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Update to the update for JPS3... >=20=20 > All, >=20=20 > I have posted yet another update to JPS to: >=20=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-2011= 1128.docx > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-2011= 1128.pdf > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-2011= 1128-rev.pdf >=20=20 > The only changes are to add document-dc-metadata and the associated seman= tic support. >=20=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_ndL6f5yJTmcpAgg6oIvilw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
All,
 
I=92d prefer to have all the Dublin Core e= lements and terms (that=92s keywords to us). Dublin Core has two namespaces= <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/>  a= nd <http://purl.org/dc/terms/>. The namespace <= http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> maps to RFC5= 013 and the namespace <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> = maps to <http://dublincore.org/docume= nts/dcmi-terms/> .  The =93DCMI Metadata Terms=94 specification= at  <http://dublincore.org/docume= nts/dcmi-terms/> contains all the term names and definitions.
 
I=92d either like to change the dc-keyword definition to:

dc-keyword =3D "title"= / "creator" / "subject" /

    = ;         "description" / "publishe= r" / "contributor" /
    &nb= sp;        "date" / "type" / "format" / = "identifier" /
     &nb= sp;       "source" / "language" / "relation" = /
       &nbs= p;     "coverage" / "rights" / "alternative" /
         &n= bsp;   "tableOfContents" / "abstract" / "created" /
          &= nbsp;  "valid" / "available" / "issued" / "modified" /
          &nb= sp;  "dateAccepted" / "dateCopyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" /=
         &nbs= p;   "extent" / "medium" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" /
         &= nbsp;   "isReplacedBy" / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" /=
         &nbs= p;   "requires" / "isPartOf" / "hasPart" /
            = ; "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / "spatial" /
 = ;            "tempor= al" / "audience" / "accrualMethod" /
  = ;           "accrualPerio= dicity" / "accrualPolicy" /
   &n= bsp;         "instructionalMethod" = / "provenance" /
     &= nbsp;       "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "ed= ucationLevel" /
     &n= bsp;       "accessRights" / "license" / "bibl= iographicCitation"

&nbs= p;

Or keep the elements and terms separate and = change the definition to:
(Note: = terms actually contains all elements but I deleted them to delineate RFC501= 3 keyword subset.)

 

document-dc-metadata =3D dc-elements "= =3D" *utf8-char /
     =             &nb= sp;     dc-terms "=3D" *utf8-char /
          &n= bsp;            x-ke= yword "=3D" *utf8-char
 
dc-elements =3D "contributor" / "coverage" / "creator" /
         &nb= sp;   "date" / "description" / "format" /
            = ; "identifier" / "language" / "publisher" /
&nbs= p;            "relat= ion" / "rights" / "source" /
   &= nbsp;         "subject" / "title" /= "type"
 
dc-ter= ms =3D   "alternative" / "tableOfContents" /
           &n= bsp; "abstract" / "created" / "valid" / "available" /
           &nb= sp; "issued" / "modified" / "dateAccepted" /
&nb= sp;            "date= Copyrighted" / "dateSubmitted" /
  &nb= sp;          "extent" / "mediu= m" / "isVersionOf" / "hasVersion" /
  =            "isReplacedBy"= / "replaces" / "isRequiredBy" /
  &nb= sp;          "requires" / "isP= artOf" / "hasPart" /
    &nb= sp;        "isReferencedBy" / "reference= s" / "isFormatOf" /
    &nbs= p;        "hasFormat" / "conformsTo" / "= spatial" /
      &= nbsp;      "temporal" / "audience" / "accrualMetho= d" /
       &= nbsp;     "accrualPeriodicity" / "accrualPolicy" /=
        &nbs= p;    "instructionalMethod" / "provenance" /
          &nb= sp;  "rightsHolder" / "mediator" / "educationLevel" /
=
          &nbs= p;  "accessRights" / "license" / "bibliographicCitation"
 
x-keyword  =3D "x-" 1*= (ALPHA / DIGIT / "." / "-" / "_")
 
utf8-char  =3D %x20-7E /
     &n= bsp;       %xE0-EF.80-BF.80-BF /

      &nbs= p;      %xF0-F7.80-BF.80-BF.80-BF

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Peter Zehler

Xerox Resear= ch Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail= : Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
= M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 1= 4580-9701
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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 = 6:09 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Update to the update for JPS3...
 
All,
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I have posted yet another update to JPS to:<= /o:p>
 
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The only changes are to add document-dc-= metadata and the associated semantic support.
<= o:p> 
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No= t being satisfied with issuing a document update after only 2 days, I decid= ed to post another update after only 1 day.  Enjoy:
The only change in this version is to add the DCMI Metadat= a Terms suggested by Pete.

For review at the F2F..= .

_________________________________________________= ________
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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: B345A79692.A815E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org All, I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray to: http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray For discussion at the F2F... _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Nov 30 04:56:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C2A21F8A64 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:56:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.273 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.273 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.326, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aRvcZym5HlRD for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F66021F8A57 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318677969B; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:56:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from USA7109MR003.ACS-INC.COM (usa7109mr003.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.12]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DE579697 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:55:57 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQAAAMn1k4Nh9IPmWdsb2JhbABAA5pskBgiAQEBAQEICwsHFCWBcgEBAQEDAQEBDAEgCiUPFwQCAQgOAwQBAQsGDAsBBgEmHwkIAQEEARIIiAelTAGSRYgGgjdjBIgohEUpmXI Received: from usa0300gw002.na.xerox.net ([13.135.210.15]) by USA7109MR003.ACS-INC.COM with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2011 06:55:56 -0600 Received: from USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net ([13.151.235.15]) by USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:55:41 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:55:37 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... thread-index: Acyu/nAjvEb2Kt2mTPWXHsdgDk/HagAYDiSw References: From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "Michael Sweet" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2011 12:55:41.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DC1AEF0:01CCAF5F] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 318677969B.A9317 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org All, I added the SM keywords to wiki tables. (You can always delete it in the official specification.) Found a couple missing elements and some possible modeling issues with Feed & XFeed sizes. Now that the model has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimension) perhaps that should be used instead of MediaSizeName in the SM mapping for the MIB. It would line up better with the proposed IPP mapping as well. Pete Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:21 PM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... All, I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray to: http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray For discussion at the F2F... _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Nov 30 05:04:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C8121F8B11 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:04:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjJPfvgfxu2u for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B7B21F8B08 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770DF79693; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:04:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-bw0-f46.google.com (mail-bw0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86367968F for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by bkas6 with SMTP id s6so964039bka.5 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:03:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HIT2wSK8gYtKI/qJHzDJa4j57KdzeJgOEVLPThCbSdY=; b=ownkRpbA3EVA87OF2M4f+r5YZrhoMg0j19w6WxV8PijZpLLplztnk4kcZoBrAwRRIa cHK2BjsiZYIbNDd41SbLj0Ue7TS14H6O9s1yFubrpc7/XEtVvLJWXtNqjlzYocldnbXD 4ktmPIffAT8pdgQLwiyEH1Cgn8Vp1k+YztKyw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.16 with SMTP id hs16mr2291920bkc.7.1322658232758; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.101.193 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:03:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... From: Ira McDonald To: "Zehler, Peter" , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1576456256==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 770DF79693.A9950 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1576456256== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfd9001f734904b2f35eb8 --000e0cdfd9001f734904b2f35eb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Pete, There are *lots* of missing elements in these input and output trays - on purpose - as I said when I posted them, they follow the WIMS/CIM mapping rank table from 2006 - low priority elements were all *intentionally* omitted. Whereas in the CIM classes, the mapping is complete - but the CIM Profile would use the same ranking for conformance (i.e., only priority 1's would ever be considered for a REQUIRED in the CIM Profile). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > All, > I added the SM keywords to wiki tables. (You can always delete it in > the official specification.) Found a couple missing elements and some > possible modeling issues with Feed & XFeed sizes. Now that the model > has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimension) perhaps that should be used > instead of MediaSizeName in the SM mapping for the MIB. It would line > up better with the proposed IPP mapping as well. > Pete > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Sweet > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:21 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals > postedto wiki... > > All, > > I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray and > printer-output-tray to: > > http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray > http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray > > For discussion at the F2F... > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --000e0cdfd9001f734904b2f35eb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete,

There are *lots* of missing elements in these
input and= output trays - on purpose - as I said
when I posted them, they follow t= he WIMS/CIM
mapping rank table from 2006 - low priority
elements were= all *intentionally* omitted.

Whereas in the CIM classes, the mapping is
complete - but the CIM Pr= ofile would use the
same ranking for conformance (i.e., only
priorit= y 1's would ever be considered for a
REQUIRED in the CIM Profile).
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEE= E-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair= - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Zehler,= Peter <Pete= r.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:
All,
I added the SM keywords to wiki tables. =A0(You can always delete it in
the official specification.) =A0Found a couple missing elements and some
possible modeling issues with Feed & XFeed sizes. =A0Now that the model=
has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimension) perhaps that should be used
instead of MediaSizeName in the SM mapping for the MIB. =A0It would line
up better with the proposed IPP mapping as well.
Pete


Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 26= 5-8755
FAX: (585) 265-= 7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

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Subject: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals
postedto wiki...

All,

I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray and
printer-output-tray to:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray

For discussion at the F2F...

_________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:08:11 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... thread-index: AcyvYIhtaVTURvL5QeGF6ItP5fTKfQACJP5Q References: From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "Ira McDonald" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2011 14:10:32.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[D25B56D0:01CCAF69] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2063161512==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 411AF7969D.A9625 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2063161512== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCAF69.BACAF4AF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCAF69.BACAF4AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ira, The missing elements I referred to were SM Schema elements. It seems to me the subset of Input Tray/Output Bin elements selected for the IPP view should also be covered in the PWG SM Schema. Pete=20 =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:04 AM To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... =20 Hi Pete, There are *lots* of missing elements in these=20 input and output trays - on purpose - as I said when I posted them, they follow the WIMS/CIM mapping rank table from 2006 - low priority elements were all *intentionally* omitted. Whereas in the CIM classes, the mapping is complete - but the CIM Profile would use the same ranking for conformance (i.e., only=20 priority 1's would ever be considered for a REQUIRED in the CIM Profile). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic =20 http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc =20 mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: All, I added the SM keywords to wiki tables. (You can always delete it in the official specification.) Found a couple missing elements and some possible modeling issues with Feed & XFeed sizes. Now that the model has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimension) perhaps that should be used instead of MediaSizeName in the SM mapping for the MIB. It would line up better with the proposed IPP mapping as well. Pete Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =20 FAX: (585) 265-7441 =20 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:21 PM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki... All, I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray to: http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray For discussion at the F2F... _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCAF69.BACAF4AF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ira,=

The missing elements I referre= d to were SM Schema elements.  It seems to me the subset of Input Tray= /Output Bin elements selected for the IPP view should also be covered in th= e PWG SM Schema.

Pete

 

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Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webst= er
Email: Peter.Zehle= r@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter= Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800= Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:04 AM
To: Zehler= , Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subjec= t: Re: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals poste= dto wiki...

 

=

Hi Pete,

There are *lots* of missing elements i= n these
input and output trays - on purpose - as I said
when I poste= d them, they follow the WIMS/CIM
mapping rank table from 2006 - low prio= rity
elements were all *intentionally* omitted.

Whereas in the CI= M classes, the mapping is
complete - but the CIM Profile would use thesame ranking for conformance (i.e., only
priority 1's would ever be c= onsidered for a
REQUIRED in the CIM Profile).

Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Li= nux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Gr= oup
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility S= olutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated = Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= br>= http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline= , MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand = Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

All,
I added the SM keywords to wiki tables.  (You= can always delete it in
the official specification.)  Found a coup= le missing elements and some
possible modeling issues with Feed & XF= eed sizes.  Now that the model
has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimen= sion) perhaps that should be used
instead of MediaSizeName in the SM map= ping for the MIB.  It would line
up better with the proposed IPP ma= pping as well.
Pete


Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center= Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@X= erox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755<= /a>
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US M= ail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webs= ter NY, 14580-9701


-----Or= iginal Message-----
From: ipp-bou= nces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces= @pwg.org] On Behalf Of
Michael Sweet
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, = 2011 8:21 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subje= ct: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals
postedto = wiki...

All,

I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-= tray and
printer-output-tray to:

       = http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray
    &nbs= p;  http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray
For discussion at the F2F...

_____________________________________= ____________________
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From: Ira McDonald To: "Zehler, Peter" , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0777281812==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 44149796AE.A8A90 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0777281812== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175df170a2dd1a04b2f5032b --0015175df170a2dd1a04b2f5032b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Pete, My mistake. I *thought* the SM schema elements for input/output trays were 100% coverage - I originally derived the Subunits.xsd by machine-translation from Printer MIB during WIMS effort. So I'm curious specifically what got left out and how it maps to the WIMS/CIM ranking table? Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > Ira,**** > > The missing elements I referred to were SM Schema elements. It seems to > me the subset of Input Tray/Output Bin elements selected for the IPP view > should also be covered in the PWG SM Schema.**** > > Pete **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:04 AM > *To:* Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald > *Cc:* Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals > postedto wiki...**** > > ** ** > > Hi Pete, > > There are *lots* of missing elements in these > input and output trays - on purpose - as I said > when I posted them, they follow the WIMS/CIM > mapping rank table from 2006 - low priority > elements were all *intentionally* omitted. > > Whereas in the CIM classes, the mapping is > complete - but the CIM Profile would use the > same ranking for conformance (i.e., only > priority 1's would ever be considered for a > REQUIRED in the CIM Profile). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434**** > > > > **** > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Zehler, Peter > wrote:**** > > All, > I added the SM keywords to wiki tables. (You can always delete it in > the official specification.) Found a couple missing elements and some > possible modeling issues with Feed & XFeed sizes. Now that the model > has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimension) perhaps that should be used > instead of MediaSizeName in the SM mapping for the MIB. It would line > up better with the proposed IPP mapping as well. > Pete > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701**** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Sweet > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:21 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals > postedto wiki... > > All, > > I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray and > printer-output-tray to: > > http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-input-tray > http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray > > For discussion at the F2F... > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp**** > > ** ** > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015175df170a2dd1a04b2f5032b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete,

My mistake.

I *thought* the SM schema elements for i= nput/output trays
were 100% coverage - I originally derived the Subunits= .xsd
by machine-translation from Printer MIB during WIMS effort.

So I'm curious specifically what got left out and how it maps
to the= WIMS/CIM ranking table?

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira M= cDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Pr= inting WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://si= tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http= ://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2= 434



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Zehler,= Peter <Pete= r.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Ira,

The missing elements I referred to were SM Schem= a elements.=A0 It seems to me the subset of Input Tray/Output Bin elements = selected for the IPP view should also be covered in the PWG SM Schema.

Pete

=A0

=A0<= /p>

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
<= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-ser= if";color:navy">Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.<= br> 800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E<= br> Webster NY, 14580-9701

=A0<= /p>

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:04 AM
To: Zehler, Pet= er; Ira McDonald
Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] printer-in= put-tray and printer-output-tray proposals postedto wiki...

=A0

Hi Pete,

There are *lots* of missing elements in thes= e
input and output trays - on purpose - as I said
when I posted them= , they follow the WIMS/CIM
mapping rank table from 2006 - low priority
elements were all *intention= ally* omitted.

Whereas in the CIM classes, the mapping is
complet= e - but the CIM Profile would use the
same ranking for conformance (i.e.= , only
priority 1's would ever be considered for a
REQUIRED in the CIM Prof= ile).

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician /= Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secret= ary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solution= s WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert = - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Zehler, P= eter <Peter.= Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

All,
I added the SM keywords to wiki tables. =A0(= You can always delete it in
the official specification.) =A0Found a coup= le missing elements and some
possible modeling issues with Feed & XF= eed sizes. =A0Now that the model
has MediaSize (XDimension and YDimension) perhaps that should be used
in= stead of MediaSizeName in the SM mapping for the MIB. =A0It would line
u= p better with the proposed IPP mapping as well.
Pete


Peter Ze= hler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: = (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
= Webster NY, 14580-9701

-----Original Message-----
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
Michael Sweet
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:21 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] pr= inter-input-tray and printer-output-tray proposals
postedto wiki...
<= br> All,

I have posted Ira's proposals for printer-input-tray andprinter-output-tray to:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispa= ces.com/printer-input-tray
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/printer-output-tray=

For discussion at the F2F...

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So= rry this took so long, but the updated PWG Raster sample files are now avai= lable on the PWG FTP server at:


I did 150, 180, 300, 360, 600, and 720 DPI samples from the= IPP test suite files - please let me know if you run into any problems or = would like to see other resolutions or color spaces included.
I'll be adding links to the IPP WG page when I post the updated= PWG Raster spec.

Enjoy!

________________________= ________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, S= enior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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