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And now the Windows tools are now available:

    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-windows.msi=


I'll be posting these to the PWG and IPP Everywhere home pages as well =
to get the widest possible distribution...


On Aug 28, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> All,
>=20
> I have posted the first public betas of the IPP Everywhere Printer =
Self-Certification tools to:
>=20
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-osx.dmg
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-rhel.tar.gz=

>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-ubuntu.tar.=
gz
>=20
> There are also links to these on the IPP WG home page as well, and the =
downloads include a version of the "ippserver" test server that now =
passes all of the IPP Everywhere tests and is in fact what I'm using for =
development - it's been very helpful for fixing problems in ippfind, =
ipptool, the test scripts, and of course in ippserver...
>=20
> I am still working on getting the Windows versions of the test scripts =
finished (the main issue is the Bonjour test script, the others are easy =
by comparison) and will post it as soon as I can.
>=20
> The beta web site is *almost* ready for some testing - I'll post links =
with instructions once I have the approved products page being populated =
from the approved submissions.
>=20
> Please let me know (directly or via the IPP mailing list) of any =
problems you run into with the tools.
>=20
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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> ipp@pwg.org
> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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lly CW, it isn't sweet at all. I use a regular crust recipe without sugar.
 I use barely any sugar to make the glaze, then lift each slice out so very 
 little clings. That way the crust does't get too soggy either. Finally, I 
 use about 1 tsp of sugar to the cup of cream. Most of what you taste is 
 fresh peach goodness. A six-inch pie plate for the two of us is just
enough for two nights without going overboard. Won't be baking for a
while again - not my forte.

I hear you about the insurance. Broke part of a molar off a while back.
 Been chewing on the other side of the mouth until I get me to a dentist 
 with decent prices. Our old oiled the top of the dough thoroughly, 
 covered the whole shebang with a large, clear plastic bag and set it outside.

Holy catfish, Batman! I'm glad I didn't leave it in the machine for the first 
rise. It darn near met me at the front door. It completely filled the bowl 
and rose way over the top.

The recipe said to fashion the dough into two loaves. No way! Instead, I made
 three good-sized loaves, which ended up being perfect. The loaves rose 
 beautifully the last time and baked to a golden brown and, of course, 
 the smell was almost more than we could stand. Can't wait to taste it. I have a feelin

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lly CW, it isn't sweet at all. I use a regular crust recipe without sugar.
 I use barely any sugar to make the glaze, then lift each slice out so very 
 little clings. That way the crust does't get too soggy either. Finally, I 
 use about 1 tsp of sugar to the cup of cream. Most of what you taste is 
 fresh peach goodness. A six-inch pie plate for the two of us is just
enough for two nights without going overboard. Won't be baking for a
while again - not my forte.

I hear you about the insurance. Broke part of a molar off a while back.
 Been chewing on the other side of the mouth until I get me to a dentist 
 with decent prices. Our old oiled the top of the dough thoroughly, 
 covered the whole shebang with a large, clear plastic bag and set it outside.

Holy catfish, Batman! I'm glad I didn't leave it in the machine for the first 
rise. It darn near met me at the front door. It completely filled the bowl 
and rose way over the top.

The recipe said to fashion the dough into two loaves. No way! Instead, I made
 three good-sized loaves, which ended up being perfect. The loaves rose 
 beautifully the last time and baked to a golden brown and, of course, 
 the smell was almost more than we could stand. Can't wait to taste it. I have a feelin

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kay, update on the bread. Holy cow! Definitely a keeper.

We had some toasted for breakfast this morning and it
 was delicious. The texture was fantastic and the 
flavor was delicious. Just the tiniest bit of sweet
from the honey. I have a feeling this would make 
awesome French toast and I plan on finding out Sunday
morning for our breakfast.

Making it using my method didn't have any adverse
 effect on it at all and if I feel game, I might 
 try making more tomorrow and divide it into two
loaves instead of three. However, I have a feeling 
the loaves would be unusually large. At least 
as the dough rises over the tops of the pan rim.
met with the guy yesterday.  This is actually our 
third meeting over the past 9 months.  Usually,
after he has asked someone to leave, he will
give us a call.  My husband and I have a lot of
experience, like I said, and we are also not 
loose canons, so I think he wants someone in 
his kitchen that can be a little stable.  
He volunteered several stories about bartenders 
and cooks getting arrested, lots of

The problem during the meeting was his "duck and parry" of 
a lot of the questions we had, namely insurance and who 
would be responsible for any incident involving the building,
 grounds, etc. if someone got hurt.  He told us he was
  "self-insured" and would not be responsible for any 
  incidences like that. 

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thread caught in the upper thread path. Often you can't see the thread and it has 
to be removed by taking the machine apart (I had that happen at least 3 times in
 a row). The cause is using cheap thread that breaks or frays easily. That is best 
done by a sewing machine tech. 

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I have a Pfaff 2170, I have the card-to-usb-cord, I also have a card station.......I recently 
loaded the smart card station & now I cannot use the I think you can do anything in both
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crochet. I even crocheted socks before. No it's not exactly the same, but it works and I 
wore them. I loved them. Just don't want to crochet them anymore, I like doing other 
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										  <span style="font-size:14px;">Wednesday, September 3, 2014 <br>
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													<td class="set_mobile_legal" style="padding: 10px; color:#000000; font-size:13px; line-height: 15px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left;" ><p>Hi Ipp-archive,<br>
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													  <p>I get asked over and over every week, &quot;what is the best way to start a woodworking project?&quot;</p>
													  <p>I was asked that question so many times that I wanted to help everyone out equally.</p>
													  <p>This what I did...</p>
													  <p>I spent the last 2 years putting together over 16,000 fool-proof woodworking plans with step-by-step instructions.</p>
													  <p>|&gt; <a style="color:#823A14" href="http://www.lyedad.com/awi/5675476947567BG4234.html">www.hgtv.com/diy/woodworking/f-54643/</a><br>
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													  <p>It's perfect for beginners and experts. It will basically hold your hand and tell you exactly what to do.<br>
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													  <p>Thanks<br>
													    Ted McGrath<br>
													    Member of AWI - DIY Network</p>													  <p><br />
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											      <p>The video tutorial <a style="color:#823A14" href="http://www.lyedad.com/awi/5675476947567BG4234.html">www.hgtv.com/diy/show-34534/f-vid/</a></p>
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											      <p style="background-color:#5A280C; font-size:8px; color:#5A280B">7 Home Improvement Don'ts Tackle First Things First

Planning your first home improvement project can be a daunting task, Irving says, but if the thought never crossed your mind before signing on the dotted line, you've already in trouble.

"2aebed4e5bed6d468dabfa691f5898d6 the right house for your skill 2aebed4e5bed6d468dabfa691f5898d6 is step one," Irving says. It's common for people to buy homes that require some work from the get-go, but don't underestimate the time--or the 2aebed4e5bed6d468dabfa691f5898d6--necessary to bring your new home up to snuff.</p>
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											      <p style="font-size:10px">From: HGTB - Vision Partners 192 Jennifer Ct. / Levittown / PA / 19057 / Forego <a href="http://www.lyedad.com/index-page.htm">upcoming/msgs</a> or write. <a style="color:#F2DFC9" href="http://www.hgtv.com/outdoors/index.html">http://www.hgtv.com/outdoors/index.html</a></p>
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Kraft Foods voluntarily recalled thousands of cases of American Singles cheese because it was not stored at the proper temperature.

Kraft Foods Group Voluntarily Recalls Select Varieties of Regular Kraft American Singles Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product Due to Ingredient Supplier's Out-of-Standard Storage Temperatures

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The idea was to clean it, Bullseye 1-2-3 primer and then "porch and patio" 
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<p align="left">Did you know that according to a study from an esteemed medical school, some types of milk are now connected to cancer&hellip; and could cause as much damage to your health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day? </p>
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 But I found looms I found for x-mas one year and I'm in So I started working on 
a baby blanket as you can see pictures below. The loom is 41 pegs, I have yarn 
rapped to number 40.i measured around the loom and its 34 inches for all the 
40 pegs that the yarn is are. I measured also from the pegs to the bottom of the 
blanket that so far is done, its 22 inches long. I'm wondering how much would 
should I make of the blanket until it looks ok/done. I'm just doing a knitting 
stitch on it also.if I have the measure meant wrong for the loom correct me pleas
 t is curling at the bottom. When I measure the bottom it comes up around 25 inches 
though. idk if its all the way flat because of the t op being on the loom still. When I
 use needles it seems like it takes to long it took be hours to do a few rows that ended 
up being so small lol. My fianc was like just give up and I wouldn't. He doesn't u
nderstand how I can crochet and knit or hours lol. I wrap clockwise on the left then
 counter clockwise on the right. I e-wrap all the way around and just pull the 
bottom yarn over the top. after I was starting this blanket I learned about the knit 
and purl on the loomsI would guess that whatever the circumference of your loom 
is the stockinette will be somewhat less in width because it will pull in. The 
measurement you got is probably pretty close. Maybe you could do two panels and
 join them with crochet or mattress stitch. Crochet panels could help with the curl 
too. Just thinkin'. It looks really cuddly and soft.

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        Did you know that according to a study from an esteemed medical school, some types of milk are now connected to cancer&hellip; and could cause as much damage to your health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day?
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        Smoking four packs a day is almost certain to lead to an early death&hellip;.but according to the latest research, a certain type of milk could be even worse.
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        Yet I&rsquo;d bet not one in 1,000 people knows what type of milk it is.
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        There&rsquo;s a good chance this milk may be in your fridge right now.
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        It was in mine, too. Until I came across the research you&rsquo;re about to see.
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        <font size="5"><span style="color:#800000;">Milk worse than smoking?</span></font>
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        Dear Ipp-archive,
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        Did you know that according to a study from an esteemed medical school, some types of milk are now connected to cancer&hellip; and could cause as much damage to your health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day?
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        Smoking four packs a day is almost certain to lead to an early death&hellip;.but according to the latest research, a certain type of milk could be even worse.
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        Yet I&rsquo;d bet not one in 1,000 people knows what type of milk it is.
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        There&rsquo;s a good chance this milk may be in your fridge right now.
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        It was in mine, too. Until I came across the research you&rsquo;re about to see.
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From CameronWebb@eagle-pro.aboutdubbox.com  Thu Sep  4 13:53:28 2014
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Hey Ipp-archive,

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner... I've been crazy busy at work. 

Your in luck, I built my dad a rocking chair for Father's Day in June
and I'am going to show you how I did it. 

You probably don't believe me, but I did. Actually, it practically built itself. 

I found a step by step guide that has 3-D instructions and puts every question you 
might have right into the directions. 

You can download the plans that I used ->  http://www.aboutdubbox.com/download/blueprints/crafts.index
and check out blueprints for all the other stuff they have. 




See you soon.... Xoxo





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From: ipp-archive@megatron.ietf.org
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 09:28:07 -0400
Subject: Re: I need help with my moms gift





 Hey John, 
 
For my mothers birthday I want to build a new piece of furniture 
that will be used to hold sound system, Blu-Ray player, and a cable box.
It's not going to be real big, but I would like to add four wheels to the bottom 
to make it easy to move when cleaning.

I have some experience with woodworking, but not much. It was chosen to use
pine-wood as she found a stain she really likes and the sound system(heaviest item)
will be on the bottom. The second heaviest item, the cable-box, will be on top.
I have experience with cutting, sanding, and painting as well as building things 
were purchased from IK-A and other places. Some needed to have holes drilled, and I have done that as well.

 In addition, I am aware that I will need at least two grits of sand paper, probably a medium and a fine.
 From what I have seen, I should be able to simply use a wood-glue and nail combo to assemble this. I'll either need to put some notches in the side for the shelf or put in some brackets.
 
 Please help! 
 
 
 
 
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 you have a crush on one of the nurses in the emergency room, go for it. Otherwise, don't even think of it. I've been involved in woodworking for more years that I'd care to admit and never saw anything that said to do that. It even sounds dangerous.
If you don't have a router or table saw, then make the dado with multiple parallel cuts and chisel out the waste and sand smooth
I wouldn't even do it with a radial arm saw,



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        for (int Loop = 0; Loop < FieldsPerLine; Loop++)
        {
            Rnd = rngMain.Next(LIMIT);
            Console.Write(Rnd.ToString().PadLeft(3) + " ");
        }
    }
}
The output looks like this


My use case is Branch and Bound Optimization. Expanding the candidate with the best bound is provably optimal when you're given an unlimited time. Assuming an unlimited time is provably wrong.

Strictly following this strategy often ends up with having no solution at all when the deadline comes. A simple band-aid is to direct the search towards a solution first and then switch to the best bound strategy. This is rather unsatisfactory as the first solution found can be of an arbitrary low quality.

That's why I'd like to use the two criteria queue: In one step, expand the best bound candidate and in another, expand the "best looking" candidate according to some heuristics.

Another possible use would be for pareto-optimization.

java priority-queue
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Why not create a facade backed by two PriorityQueues?   Sotirios Delimanolis Aug 20 at 21:53
  	 	
Agreed. The mechanics of a PriorityQueue rely on being able to compare to items.   Micah Smith Aug 20 at 21:55
  	 	
@SotiriosDelimanolis How would you remove the element obtained by poll1() from the second queue?   maaartinus Aug 20 at 22:12
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I guess you could have a counter of invalid references per queue. And if counter goes above specified threshold, you would just use iterator to remove them. You could use a ReadWrite lock to sync cleanups: use read lock for polling and write lock for cleanup. Atomics should work well as counters   Sami Korhonen Aug 31 at 2:05
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Use two TreeSets. Each set takes their respected comparator, and the add() method adds the provided value to each set. poll1() would acquire the first() value in the first set, and remove the value from both sets. Similarly for poll2().

add(), poll1() and poll2() will have (log n).

An example implementation follows (the real thing probably needs more error checking and additional methods):

class Priority2Queue <E>
{
    private TreeSet<E> q1;
    private TreeSet<E> q2;

    public Priority2Queue (Comparator<E> c1, Comparator<E> c2) {
        q1 = new TreeSet<E>(c1);
        q2 = new TreeSet<E>(c2);
    }

    public void add (E e) {
        q1.add(e);
        q2.add(e);
    }

    private E pollx (TreeSet<E> a, TreeSet<E> b) {
        E top = a.first();
        a.remove(top);
        b.remove(top);
        return top;
    }

    public E poll1 () { return pollx(q1, q2); }
    public E poll2 () { return pollx(q2, q1); }
}
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+1 This is simple and sure to work, but pretty wasteful as a TreeSet takes much more memory and probably also time than a heap.   maaartinus 47 mins ago
  	 	
@maaartinus: I picked a data structure that would provide the correct big-O behavior. If your queue sizes are relatively small, two priority queues are probably sufficient. If you expect your queues to be very large, consider using a B+Tree implementation instead of TreeSet.   jxh 25 mins ago 
add a comment

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2
down vote
Use two priority queues.

One way to do this is tag an item for deletion when it's next in one's poll. If the other queue sees it, skip and move to next. I'm not sure the complexity of this, but it will depend on subtle questions such as how much longer one item remains in a queue than the other. I would suggest profiling for your actual situation.

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+1 This is good, except for one thing, namely possible accumulation of already consumed things in one of the queues (as you noted). It may work well and profiling is no bad idea, but it can't tell me what happens for other inputs.   maaartinus 44 mins ago
add a comment
up vote
2
down vote
If you care only about asymptotic complexity, i would go with @jxh's solution, which uses O(n) memory and guaranteed time O(log(n)) per operation (that is the best possible) and requires very little coding.

However TreeSet is backed by TreeMap and that uses TreeEntry for entries, and one entry will take total 32B of memory, plus having 2 trees will result into 64B of memory per element

EDIT: After some investigation, the following data structure doesn't seem as promising anymore, since the add() method will fail in some cases. I will leave there as it is, if somebody finds a fix, either leave a comment or edit the answer. (end of edit)

However with custom modification of Binary Heap you can get by with a single array of references, resulting into 4B per object, which is 16 times less than with the tree sets, and time per operation is still guaranteed O(log(n)).

The modification is rather simple: with two comparators (call them C1 and C2):

Each element on an odd floor (floor = height from the top) has to be lower or equal to all elements below it according to comparator C1
Similarly, each element on an even floor has to be lower or equal to all elements below it according to comparator C2
Now let's say that the root is at floor 1. Let's start with peek1() (read the minimum element according to C1) that is simply the root. For peek2(), we need to check the root and it's direct 2 children, but among these 3, the minimum according to C2 must be.

The add() operation will be a bit more difficult, make sure you understand the add in regular heap first.

Add the new element at the first unused position as usual.
Check if it is greater or equal to the element 2 floors above according to that element's comparator. If it is, do nothing. If not, swap these 2 elements.
Check if the element at the inserting position if greater or equal to it's parent according to parent's floor's comparator. If it is, do nothing. If not, swap these 2 elements.
If swapping was made in point 2, repeat from point 1 as if the swapped element was newly inserted. Else if swapping was made in point 3, do the same. Else work is done.





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     Console.WriteLine();
        for (int Loop = 0; Loop < FieldsPerLine; Loop++)
        {
            Rnd = rngMain.Next(LIMIT);
            Console.Write(Rnd.ToString().PadLeft(3) + " ");
        }
    }
}
The output looks like this


My use case is Branch and Bound Optimization. Expanding the candidate with the best bound is provably optimal when you're given an unlimited time. Assuming an unlimited time is provably wrong.

Strictly following this strategy often ends up with having no solution at all when the deadline comes. A simple band-aid is to direct the search towards a solution first and then switch to the best bound strategy. This is rather unsatisfactory as the first solution found can be of an arbitrary low quality.

That's why I'd like to use the two criteria queue: In one step, expand the best bound candidate and in another, expand the "best looking" candidate according to some heuristics.

Another possible use would be for pareto-optimization.

java priority-queue
share|improve this question
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9	 	
Why not create a facade backed by two PriorityQueues?   Sotirios Delimanolis Aug 20 at 21:53
  	 	
Agreed. The mechanics of a PriorityQueue rely on being able to compare to items.   Micah Smith Aug 20 at 21:55
  	 	
@SotiriosDelimanolis How would you remove the element obtained by poll1() from the second queue?   maaartinus Aug 20 at 22:12
1	 	
I guess you could have a counter of invalid references per queue. And if counter goes above specified threshold, you would just use iterator to remove them. You could use a ReadWrite lock to sync cleanups: use read lock for polling and write lock for cleanup. Atomics should work well as counters   Sami Korhonen Aug 31 at 2:05
1	 	
Sounds somewhat interesting, but I'd be curious to see how this is intended to be used (particularly, a convincing example where this makes more sense than two separate priority queues)   Marco13 Aug 31 at 14:59
show 10 more comments
5 Answers
activeoldestvotes
up vote
3
down vote
Use two TreeSets. Each set takes their respected comparator, and the add() method adds the provided value to each set. poll1() would acquire the first() value in the first set, and remove the value from both sets. Similarly for poll2().

add(), poll1() and poll2() will have (log n).

An example implementation follows (the real thing probably needs more error checking and additional methods):

class Priority2Queue <E>
{
    private TreeSet<E> q1;
    private TreeSet<E> q2;

    public Priority2Queue (Comparator<E> c1, Comparator<E> c2) {
        q1 = new TreeSet<E>(c1);
        q2 = new TreeSet<E>(c2);
    }

    public void add (E e) {
        q1.add(e);
        q2.add(e);
    }

    private E pollx (TreeSet<E> a, TreeSet<E> b) {
        E top = a.first();
        a.remove(top);
        b.remove(top);
        return top;
    }

    public E poll1 () { return pollx(q1, q2); }
    public E poll2 () { return pollx(q2, q1); }
}
share|improve this answer
edited 2 days ago

answered Aug 31 at 15:11

jxh
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+1 This is simple and sure to work, but pretty wasteful as a TreeSet takes much more memory and probably also time than a heap.   maaartinus 47 mins ago
  	 	
@maaartinus: I picked a data structure that would provide the correct big-O behavior. If your queue sizes are relatively small, two priority queues are probably sufficient. If you expect your queues to be very large, consider using a B+Tree implementation instead of TreeSet.   jxh 25 mins ago 
add a comment

up vote
2
down vote
Use two priority queues.

One way to do this is tag an item for deletion when it's next in one's poll. If the other queue sees it, skip and move to next. I'm not sure the complexity of this, but it will depend on subtle questions such as how much longer one item remains in a queue than the other. I would suggest profiling for your actual situation.

share|improve this answer
edited Aug 31 at 12:49

answered Aug 31 at 12:36

djechlin
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+1 This is good, except for one thing, namely possible accumulation of already consumed things in one of the queues (as you noted). It may work well and profiling is no bad idea, but it can't tell me what happens for other inputs.   maaartinus 44 mins ago
add a comment
up vote
2
down vote
If you care only about asymptotic complexity, i would go with @jxh's solution, which uses O(n) memory and guaranteed time O(log(n)) per operation (that is the best possible) and requires very little coding.

However TreeSet is backed by TreeMap and that uses TreeEntry for entries, and one entry will take total 32B of memory, plus having 2 trees will result into 64B of memory per element

EDIT: After some investigation, the following data structure doesn't seem as promising anymore, since the add() method will fail in some cases. I will leave there as it is, if somebody finds a fix, either leave a comment or edit the answer. (end of edit)

However with custom modification of Binary Heap you can get by with a single array of references, resulting into 4B per object, which is 16 times less than with the tree sets, and time per operation is still guaranteed O(log(n)).

The modification is rather simple: with two comparators (call them C1 and C2):

Each element on an odd floor (floor = height from the top) has to be lower or equal to all elements below it according to comparator C1
Similarly, each element on an even floor has to be lower or equal to all elements below it according to comparator C2
Now let's say that the root is at floor 1. Let's start with peek1() (read the minimum element according to C1) that is simply the root. For peek2(), we need to check the root and it's direct 2 children, but among these 3, the minimum according to C2 must be.

The add() operation will be a bit more difficult, make sure you understand the add in regular heap first.

Add the new element at the first unused position as usual.
Check if it is greater or equal to the element 2 floors above according to that element's comparator. If it is, do nothing. If not, swap these 2 elements.
Check if the element at the inserting position if greater or equal to it's parent according to parent's floor's comparator. If it is, do nothing. If not, swap these 2 elements.
If swapping was made in point 2, repeat from point 1 as if the swapped element was newly inserted. Else if swapping was made in point 3, do the same. Else work is done.





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<p align="left">Did you know that according to a study from an esteemed medical school, some types of milk are now connected to cancer&hellip; and could cause as much damage to your health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day? </p>
<p align="left">Think about that&hellip; </p>
<p align="left">Smoking four packs a day is almost certain to lead to an early death&hellip;.but according to the latest research, a certain type of milk could be even worse. </p>
<p align="left">Yet I&rsquo;d bet not one in 1,000 people knows what type of milk it is. </p>
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    <td style="font-size:2px" width="293">I am ready for the contrast bands on Lyon Brand Textured Kimono Cardi. There are a couple of stitches I would rather use instead of the crisscross cable they show. To get an even bound edge I will have to knit them width wise (horizontally) which is no problem. My question is the neck and lapels will require just under 450 stitches. Is that too many to manage on the longest cable of my circular needles?I thought I had lost some patterns, well I did for 11 years which is when I moved house. The other day I bought a new bed and under the old bed were my most treated patterns plus a carrier bag of wool! When the bed was put in here the contents of the drawer ie patterns etc slipped down inside. I at long last have found this beautiful Christening robe pattern that I had knitted for my grandson now aged 19years. I even asked on this forum if anyone had the pattern and so am thrilled to be reunited. Just need a baby to knit it for now lol.I'm not 
 asking correctly. i know I've seen instructions to avoid having the little loops of opposing color when changing colors while doing ribbing...the old color creates a row of loops in the purl ribbing.Do you know what I'm talking about?i think it's as simple as knitting the purl stitch for the first color change row and then going back to purling the purl stitches. Right?I'm knitting a pair of Frankensocks for a friend for Christmas (cos she's asked me  to make some for her. Now I'm not fussy about it, but I want these to look good for her.
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
> Subject: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC2910 (4100)
> Date: September 5, 2014 at 11:44:08 AM EDT
> To: robert.herriot@pahv.xerox.com, sbutler@boi.hp.com, =
pmoore@peerless.com, jwenn@cp10.es.xerox.com, tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu, =
robert.herriot@pahv.xerox.com, barryleiba@computer.org, =
presnick@qti.qualcomm.com, carl@manros.com
> Cc: msweet@apple.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
>=20
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC2910,
> "Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Encoding and Transport".
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D2910&eid=3D4100
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
>=20
> Section: 8.1.2
>=20
> Original Text
> -------------
>   IPP Printers SHOULD support Transport Layer Security (TLS) [RFC2246]
>   for Server Authentication and Operation Privacy. IPP Printers MAY
>   also support TLS for Client Authentication.  If an IPP Printer
>   supports TLS, it MUST support the TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
>   cipher suite as mandated by RFC 2246 [RFC2246].  All other cipher
>   suites are OPTIONAL.  An IPP Printer MAY support Basic =
Authentication
>   (described in HTTP/1.1 [RFC2617])  for Client Authentication if the
>   channel is secure. TLS with the above mandated cipher suite can
>   provide such a secure channel.
>=20
>   If a IPP client supports TLS, it MUST support the
>   TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA cipher suite as mandated by RFC
>   2246 [RFC2246].  All other cipher suites are OPTIONAL.
>=20
>=20
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>   IPP Printers SHOULD support Transport Layer Security (TLS) [RFC2246]
>   for Server Authentication and Operation Privacy. IPP Printers MAY
>   also support TLS for Client Authentication.  An IPP Printer MAY
>   support Basic Authentication (described in HTTP/1.1 [RFC2617]) for
>   Client Authentication if the channel is secure.
>=20
>=20
> Notes
> -----
> Per the PWG IPP WG discussions at the August 2014 F2F, any mention of =
cipher suites in RFC 2910 is inappropriate. In particular, the cipher =
suite mentioned is no longer mandatory in TLS/1.2.
>=20
> Instructions:
> -------------
> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.=20
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> RFC2910 (draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-06)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Encoding and =
Transport
> Publication Date    : September 2000
> Author(s)           : R. Herriot, Ed., S. Butler, P. Moore, R. Turner, =
J. Wenn
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : Internet Printing Protocol
> Area                : Applications
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG
>=20

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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> From: RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
> Subject: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC2910 (4101)
> Date: September 5, 2014 at 11:49:16 AM EDT
> To: robert.herriot@pahv.xerox.com, sbutler@boi.hp.com, =
pmoore@peerless.com, jwenn@cp10.es.xerox.com, tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu, =
robert.herriot@pahv.xerox.com, barryleiba@computer.org, =
presnick@qti.qualcomm.com, carl@manros.com
> Cc: msweet@apple.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
>=20
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC2910,
> "Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Encoding and Transport".
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D2910&eid=3D4101
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
>=20
> Section: 5
>=20
> Original Text
> -------------
>   The IPP/1.1 document defines a new scheme 'ipp' as the value of a =
URL
>   that identifies either an IPP printer object or an IPP job object.
>   The IPP attributes using the 'ipp' scheme are specified below.
>   Because the HTTP layer does not support the 'ipp' scheme, a client
>   MUST map 'ipp' URLs to 'http' URLs, and then follows the HTTP
>   [RFC2616][RFC2617] rules for constructing a Request-Line and HTTP
>   headers.  The mapping is simple because the 'ipp' scheme implies all
>   of the same protocol semantics as that of the 'http' scheme
>   [RFC2616], except that it represents a print service and the =
implicit
>   (default) port number that clients use to connect to a server is =
port
>   631.
>=20
>   In the remainder of this section the term 'ipp-URL' means a URL =
whose
>   scheme is 'ipp' and whose implicit (default) port is 631. The term
>   'http-URL' means a URL whose scheme is 'http', and the term 'https-
>   URL' means a URL whose scheme is 'https',
>=20
>   A client and an IPP object (i.e. the server) MUST support the =
ipp-URL
>   value in the following IPP attributes.
>       job attributes:
>           job-uri
>           job-printer-uri
>       printer attributes:
>           printer-uri-supported
>       operation attributes:
>           job-uri
>           printer-uri
>   Each of the above attributes identifies a printer or job object. The
>   ipp-URL is intended as the value of the attributes in this list, and
>   for no other attributes. All of these attributes have a syntax type
>   of 'uri', but there are attributes with a syntax type of 'uri' that
>   do not use the 'ipp' scheme, e.g. 'job-more-info'.
>=20
>   If a printer registers its URL with a directory service, the printer
>   MUST register an ipp-URL.
>=20
>   User interfaces are beyond the scope of this document. But if
>   software exposes the ipp-URL values of any of the above five
>   attributes to a human user, it is REQUIRED that the human see the
>   ipp-URL as is.
>=20
>   When a client sends a request, it MUST convert a target ipp-URL to a
>   target http-URL for the HTTP layer according to the following rules:
>=20
>      1. change the 'ipp' scheme to 'http'
>      2. add an explicit port 631 if the URL does not contain an
>         explicit port. Note: port 631 is the IANA assigned Well Known
>         Port for the 'ipp' scheme.
>=20
>   The client  MUST use the target http-URL in both the HTTP Request-
>   Line and HTTP headers, as specified by HTTP [RFC2616] [RFC2617] .
>   However, the client MUST use the target ipp-URL for the value of the
>   "printer-uri" or "job-uri" operation attribute within the
>   application/ipp body of the request. The server MUST use the ipp-URL
>   for the value of the "printer-uri", "job-uri" or "printer-uri-
>   supported" attributes within the application/ipp body of the
>   response.
>=20
>   For example, when an IPP client sends a request directly (i.e. no
>   proxy) to an ipp-URL "ipp://myhost.com/myprinter/myqueue", it opens =
a
>   TCP connection to port 631 (the ipp implicit port) on the host
>   "myhost.com" and sends the following data:
>=20
>    POST /myprinter/myqueue HTTP/1.1
>    Host: myhost.com:631
>    Content-type: application/ipp
>    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
>    ...
>    "printer-uri" "ipp://myhost.com/myprinter/myqueue"
>              (encoded in application/ipp message body)
>    ...
>=20
>   As another example, when an IPP client sends the same request as
>   above via a proxy "myproxy.com", it opens a TCP connection to the
>   proxy port 8080 on the proxy host "myproxy.com" and sends the
>   following data:
>=20
>    POST http://myhost.com:631/myprinter/myqueue   HTTP/1.1
>    Host: myhost.com:631
>    Content-type: application/ipp
>    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
>    ...
>    "printer-uri" "ipp://myhost.com/myprinter/myqueue"
>              (encoded in application/ipp message body)
>    ...
>=20
>   The proxy then connects to the IPP origin server with headers that
>   are the same as the "no-proxy" example above.
>=20
>=20
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    The IPP URL scheme is defined in [RFC3510].
>=20
>   A client and an IPP object (i.e. the server) MUST support the =
ipp-URL
>   value in the following IPP attributes.
>       job attributes:
>           job-uri
>           job-printer-uri
>       printer attributes:
>           printer-uri-supported
>       operation attributes:
>           job-uri
>           printer-uri
>   Each of the above attributes identifies a printer or job object. The
>   ipp-URL is intended as the value of the attributes in this list, and
>   for no other attributes. All of these attributes have a syntax type
>   of 'uri', but there are attributes with a syntax type of 'uri' that
>   do not use the 'ipp' scheme, e.g. 'job-more-info'.
>=20
>   If a printer registers its URL with a directory service, the printer
>   MUST register an ipp-URL.
>=20
>   User interfaces are beyond the scope of this document. But if
>   software exposes the ipp-URL values of any of the above five
>   attributes to a human user, it is REQUIRED that the human see the
>   ipp-URL as is.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Notes
> -----
> Change inline text to a reference to the document that actually =
defines and registers it.
>=20
> Instructions:
> -------------
> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.=20
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> RFC2910 (draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-06)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Encoding and =
Transport
> Publication Date    : September 2000
> Author(s)           : R. Herriot, Ed., S. Butler, P. Moore, R. Turner, =
J. Wenn
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : Internet Printing Protocol
> Area                : Applications
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG
>=20

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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This is a reminder:

There will be a JDFMAP meeting Monday, Sep 8 (7:30 - 8:30 AM PDT / 10:30-11=
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https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dmd6fb605d8b74dc08af027c8=
0abb7808c

There will be a SM3 meeting Monday, Sep 8 (11:00 - 12:00 PDT / 2:00 - 3:00 =
PM EDT).
https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm65a7d02635d28b41fdeec50=
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Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300<tel:1-650-429-3300> (Primar=
y)
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570<tel:1-408-856-9570> (Backup=
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Hello,

Our next JDFMAP special call will be on Monday 8 September at
7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US EDT / 16:30-17:30 CEST

Rainer - please use the primary or backup *toll numbers* below:

Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
Attendee Access Code: *******#
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx
- instead use the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!

Topic: JDFMAP Discussions
Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 21, 2014 to no end date
Time: 10:30 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 683 505 355
Meeting Password: Printing123

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Meeting information
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1. Go to
https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=me80ad87529b4ae33f134c1fb19354cd1

2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join".

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For assistance
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1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- volunteer as minute taker?

(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT Mapping
- continue review at PJT PageRanges

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-rev.pdf
  - PDF of revisions with line numbers

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-rev.docx
  - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers

Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
*in*
*the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!

(3) Next steps
- JDFMAP special call on Monday 15 September
- JDFMAP special call on Monday 22 September
- JDFMAP special calls in October???

Cheers,
- Ira and Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)

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16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
4 Then said the king to Ziba, Behold, thine are all that pertained unto Mephibosheth. And Ziba said, I humbly beseech thee that I may find grace in thy sight, my lord, O king.
THE FIRST BOOK OF THE KINGS
1 Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.
27 And by the border of Zebulun, from the east side unto the west side, Gad a portion.
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
9 And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation he shall mightily roar upon his habitation he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
6 Beside the burnt offering of the month, and his meat offering, and the daily burnt offering, and his meat offering, and their drink offerings, according unto their manner, for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD.
7 Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. Selah.
19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
5  Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God.
28 And Micaiah said, If thou return at all in peace, the LORD hath not spoken by me. And he said, Hearken, O people, every one of you.
12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony and we were in that city abiding certain days.
CHAPTER 9
40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
7 We have dealt very corruptly against thee, and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the judgments, which thou commandedst thy servant Moses.
10 The children of Bani, six hundred forty and two.
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his fathers house three months
7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.
26 A bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate, round about the hem of the robe to minister in as the LORD commanded Moses.
12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
16 Which are blackish by reason of the ice, and wherein the snow is hid
4 These are they which were not defiled with women for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
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Hi Mike,

I just proofed this update and it all looks good, EXCEPT for the following
typo:

"Obsoleted attributes or values can be reported at run-time by the Printer
by
returning the deprecated attribute or value in the unsupported attributes
group..."
- should be "obsoleted"

Cheers,
- Ira


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have updated the draft IPP deprecation (and obsoletion) policy document
> and posted a redlined version at:
>
>
> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.docx
>
> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf
>
> Feedback welcome...
>
> _________________________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Mike,<br><br></div>I just proofed t=
his update and it all looks good, EXCEPT for the following typo:<br><br>&qu=
ot;Obsoleted attributes or values can be reported at run-time by the Printe=
r by<br>returning the <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">depre=
cated </span>attribute or value in the unsupported attributes group...&quot=
;<br></div>- should be &quot;obsoleted&quot;<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>=
- Ira<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Michael Swe=
et <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">All,<br>
<br>
I have updated the draft IPP deprecation (and obsoletion) policy document a=
nd posted a redlined version at:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd=
-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.docx" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org=
/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.docx</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd=
-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/=
pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Feedback welcome...<br>
<br>
_________________________________________________________<br>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:25:30 -0400
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Hi,

Beware - Cisco WebEx is distributing a whole new client that
takes several minutes to download, install, and start.

Join early!

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Our next JDFMAP special call will be on Monday 8 September at
> 7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US EDT / 16:30-17:30 CEST
>
> Rainer - please use the primary or backup *toll numbers* below:
>
> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
> Attendee Access Code: *******#
> Attendee ID Code: # (empty)
>
> NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx
> - instead use the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!
>
> Topic: JDFMAP Discussions
> Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 21, 2014 to no end date
> Time: 10:30 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
> Meeting Number: 683 505 355
> Meeting Password: Printing123
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Meeting information
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Go to
> https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=me80ad87529b4ae33f134c1fb19354cd1
>
> 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
> 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
> 4. Click "Join".
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> For assistance
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".
>
> Agenda:
>
> (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
> - volunteer as minute taker?
>
> (2) Review latest draft of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT Mapping
> - continue review at PJT PageRanges
>
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-rev.pdf
>   - PDF of revisions with line numbers
>
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-rev.docx
>   - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers
>
> Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
> *in*
> *the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
> cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!
>
> (3) Next steps
> - JDFMAP special call on Monday 15 September
> - JDFMAP special call on Monday 22 September
> - JDFMAP special calls in October???
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira and Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Beware - Cisco W=
ebEx is distributing a whole new client that<br></div>takes several minutes=
 to download, install, and start.<br><br></div>Join early!<br><br></div>Che=
ers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musicia=
n / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>=
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer =
Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>=
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High No=
rth Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.co=
m/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/bluero=
ofmusic</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.googl=
e.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/hig=
hnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=
=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=
=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:=
inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inl=
ine"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Ira McDonal=
d <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">Hello,=C2=
=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva=
;font-size:small">
<br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size=
:small">


</div><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;f=
ont-size:small"></span>Our next <span>JDFMAP</span> special call will be on=
 Monday 8 September at<br>7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US EDT / 16:30-17:=
30 CEST<br>

</div>

<br>Rainer - please use the primary or backup <b>toll numbers</b> below:<br=
><br>Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-866-469-3239" v=
alue=3D"+18664693239" target=3D"_blank">1-866-469-3239</a><br>Call-in toll =
number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-650-429-3300" value=3D"+16504293300" t=
arget=3D"_blank">1-650-429-3300</a> (Primary)<br>


Call-in toll number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-408-856-9570" value=3D"+1=
4088569570" target=3D"_blank">1-408-856-9570</a> (Backup)<br>Attendee Acces=
s Code: *******#<br>Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<br>
<br>NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx<br>- instead us=
e the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!<br></div><div><br style=
=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">


<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Topic: <span>JDFMAP</span> Discussions=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"f=
ont-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">
<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Date: Every Monday, from <span><span>Monday, July 21, 2014</span>=
</span> to no end date=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sa=
ns-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Time: <span><span>10:30 am</span></span>, Eastern Daylight Time (=
New York, GMT-04:00)=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans=
-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Meeting Number: 683 505 355=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:=
Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">Meeting=
 Password: Printing123=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sa=
ns-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size=
:small"><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva=
;font-size:small">-------------------------------------------------------=
=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Gen=
eva;font-size:small">



</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Gen=
eva;font-size:small">Meeting information</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tah=
oma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small"></div><span style=3D=
"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">----=
---------------------------------------------------=C2=A0</span><br style=
=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">1. Go to=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-=
isto/j.php?MTID=3Dme80ad87529b4ae33f134c1fb19354cd1" style=3D"font-family:T=
ahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small" target=3D"_blank">=
https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dme80ad87529b4ae33f134c1f=
b19354cd1</a><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,G=
eneva;font-size:small">=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,s=
ans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=C2=A0</span><=
br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:=
small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printin=
g123=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica=
,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">4. Click &quot;Join&quot;.=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:T=
ahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small"><br style=3D"font-=
family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">-------------------------------------------------------=C2=A0</sp=
an><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-s=
ize:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">For assistance=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,=
sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-family:Tah=
oma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">--------------------=
-----------------------------------=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Ta=
homa,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">1. Go to=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-=
isto/mc" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font=
-size:small" target=3D"_blank">https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc</a>=
<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Hel=
vetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">2. On the left navigation bar, click &quot;Support&quot;. </span>=
<br><br>Agenda:<br><br>(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker<br></div><div>


- volunteer as minute taker?<br>
<br></div><div>(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 <span>JDF</span> to PWG PJT =
Mapping<br></div><div>- continue review at PJT PageRanges<br><br>- <a href=
=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-rev.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-rev.pdf=
</a><br>

=C2=A0 - PDF of revisions with line numbers<br>

<br>-  <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140828-r=
ev.docx" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-2=
0140828-rev.docx</a><br>=C2=A0 - MS Word source of revisions with line numb=
ers</div>

<div>

<div>


<br></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer - *pl=
ease* ONLY do updates with &quot;Track Changes&quot; enabled <b>in<br></b><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>the MS =
Word source</b> (</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">wit=
h a changed date suffix in filename and <br>


cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick &amp; Ira - thank you!</sp=
an></div><br></div><div>(3) Next steps<br></div><div><span></span></div><di=
v><span></span>- <span>JDFMAP</span> special call on Monday 15 September<br=
>
- <span>JDFMAP</span> special call on Monday 22 September<span></span><br><=
/div><div>- JDFMAP special calls in October???<br></div><div><br></div><div=
>
Cheers,<br></div>- Ira and Rick (co-editors of <span>JDFMAP</span> spec)<di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"di=
splay:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div></div><div></d=
iv><div></div><div></div></div></div>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v>

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 ui is defined as a function t get it to work from the ui parameter either. I ended 
up using: (".ui-dialog-titlebar-close", want to point out that just specifying 'ui'
 does not work. you have to use 'ui.dialog'. so the correct line would be (".ui-
dialog-titlebar-close",it worked for me using didn't. I'm betting its a version 
thing with jqui. Unfortunately, I don't know what version I was using at the
 time of my test. ui didn't work for me, ui.dialog did but applied on each 
instances. To have ot working applied to only the one the open function is
 defined for I had to do this: (".ui-dialog-titlebar-close", this.parentNode)
hide(); function(event, ui) { (".ui-dialog-titlebar-close").hide(); struggling 
with this also: open: function(event, ui) { ((event.target)).parent('.ui-dialog'
ind('.ui-dialog-titlebar not work for me but FLY's answer below did. This w
orked for the targetted instance. Good work.og-titlebar-close", explain the 
discrepancies on ui? Why ui or ui.dialog or (this).parent. Better yet, can anyon
e point us to JQuery UI documentation describing what to expect as values for 
event and ui?  it does not prevent it from receiving keypress events. hitting
 enter could still close the dialog. why  this successfully, but when I also use
 (document).tooltip() I find that the "close" tooltip intermittently shows up. 
Anyone know how to prevent it completely?  (this).parent().find(".ui-dialog-
titlebar-close").hide(); to (".ui-dialog-titlebar-close", (this)ide() close")
s('display','none') works better than hide(). The answer offereed by @David
 on Mar 14, 2011 is much more reliable and easier to use across multiple 
dialogs.  The ui object is empty but included for consistency with other 
events." So I don't see how (ui.dialog || ui) would ever be a good context. 
This is apparent when you open a dialog within a dialog, it is selecting all 
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Hi,


*Our next special SM WG call for JDFMAP will be Monday 15 September.*

I completed updated the mapping in the JDFMAP spec per Rainer
Prosi's comments during our special SM WG call on Monday 8
September.

I have just posted a new draft of JDFMAP:

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140908-rev.pdf
  - PDF of revisions with line numbers

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140908-rev.docx
  - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers

Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
*in*
*the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
cover page) but *not in the PDF*, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!

This document is for review in future special SM WG telecons
(currently scheduled for September 15 and 22).

Cheers,
- Ira

-------------------------------
Change History

8 September 2014 =E2=80=93 JDFMAP update by SM WG and Rainer Prosi

* September 2014 =E2=80=93 eighth draft in SM WG
- Kept status as Interim draft
- Continued review of mapping table =E2=80=93 stopped at PdlInitFiles
- Discussed and added comments to PageRanges, PagesPerSubset, and
PdlInitFiles
- Reviewed and accepted verified changes as appropriate
- Resorted and accepted sections 4.1.x in PJT attribute order (right column
of table)
- Resume next review at PresentationDirectionNumberUp

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br><b>Our next special SM WG c=
all for <span class=3D"">JDFMAP</span> will be Monday 15 <br>September.</b>=
</div><div><br>I completed updated the mapping in the <span class=3D"">JDFM=
AP</span> spec per Rainer <br>Prosi&#39;s comments during our special SM WG=
 call on Monday 8 <br>September.<br>

</div><div><br></div>I have just <span class=3D"">posted</span> a new draft=
 of <span class=3D"">JDFMAP</span>:<br>
</div><br>=C2=A0 <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-=
20140908-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smj=
dfmap10-20140908-rev.pdf</a><br></div><div>=C2=A0 - PDF of revisions with l=
ine numbers<br>



<br>=C2=A0  <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140=
908-rev.docx" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfma=
p10-20140908-rev.docx</a><br>=C2=A0 - MS Word source of revisions with line=
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<br></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer - *pl=
ease* ONLY do updates with &quot;Track Changes&quot; enabled <b>in<br></b><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>the MS =
Word source</b> (with a changed date suffix in filename and <br>


cover page) but <b>not in the PDF</b>, and send to Rick &amp; Ira - thank y=
ou!</span><br><br></div>
<div>This document is for review in future special SM WG telecons<br></div>=
<div>(currently scheduled for September 15 and 22).<br></div><div>=C2=A0<br=
></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>---------------------=
----------<br>
</div>Change History<br><br>8 September 2014 =E2=80=93 JDFMAP update by SM =
WG and Rainer Prosi<br><br>* September 2014 =E2=80=93 eighth draft in SM WG=
<br>- Kept status as Interim draft<br>- Continued review of mapping table =
=E2=80=93 stopped at PdlInitFiles<br>- Discussed and added comments to Page=
Ranges, PagesPerSubset, and PdlInitFiles<br>- Reviewed and accepted verifie=
d changes as appropriate<br>- Resorted and accepted sections 4.1.x in PJT a=
ttribute order (right column of table)<br>- Resume next review at Presentat=
ionDirectionNumberUp<br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div style=3D"display=
:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:in=
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Attendees:
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Ira McDonald (High North)
Rainer Prosi (Heidelberg / JDF)
Daniel Manchala (Xerox)

Today's Meeting (Sep 8, 2014):
----------------
7:30 - 8:00 AM PDT / 10:30 - 11:00 AM EDT / 16:30 - 17:00 CEST

JDFMAP - we stopped at the PWG PJT Element "PdlInitFiles"; we will resume next week's discussions at the PJT Element "PresentationDirectionNumberUp" (that corresponds to the JDF Object "LayoutPreparationParams/@PresentationDirection"). 

Much of today's discussion was focused on PJT Element "PageRanges" (that corresponds to JDF Object "RunList/@Pages"). Note that this has the same mapping as the PJT Element "Overrides Override Pages" (that probably corresponds to "RunList/Part/@DocRunIndex").

There will be 
- JDFMAP special call on Monday 15 September
- JDFMAP special call on Monday 22 September

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I have been trying to slim-down over the past two years. I must have tried a zillion gimmicks and methods. It gets to the point when you just want to give up because you feel that nothing works...

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this is what the bride is doing for the wedding that I'm in this summer.

Instead of a thing (which I feel many people don't want or keep), they are making donations in everyone's name to a cause near and dear to them. they are letting people know by making little cards that explain this - but the cool part is that it wil be on plantable seed paper. 

So I guess they are kind of getting flowers...

the other thing I've seen that I thought was cool was bottles of homemade hotsauce with personalized labels on them. The couple grew the peppers themselves,which made it even nicer.

I'll be stealing one or both of those ideas when it's my turn For my wedding a few weeks ago, I made origami cranes and my mother-in-law, and my mother and a friend strung them on florist wire and hot-glued the wire to chopstick ends. Each guest got a wee take-out box, Jordan Almonds (because I love them), fortune cookies, a lucky money envelope and a crane. I was going with a slightly "Asian" theme. The tables looked great with colorful cranes dangling from chopsticks and moving in the breeze. when my little sister's best friend got married last month, her mother (who has been taking intro pottery classes) threw, glazed, and fired little dishes (about 3" across), then filled them with chocolate-covered coffee beans and tied them up in gauze with a ribbon around the top. she scratched the bride and groom's initials and the date of the wedding in the bottom of each one. 

handmade sachets could be a nice option, too - maybe stitch initials or the date on the outside of little bags filled with potpourri to be tucked into drawers? nothing like a reminder of a wedding every time you open your underwear drawer...

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                                    <p style="color:white; font-size:3px; font:Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;">There's a mirror-image of that too.) So, because "" is a string and [null] is an object, we've got to first convert [null] to a string by  of an object is retrieved by calling the [[{{UUID}]] internal method of the object, passing the optional hint PreferredType. The behaviour of the [[DefaultValue]] internal {{UUID} is defined by this {{UUID} for all native ECMAScript objects in 8.12.8.

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<p style="font-size:2px">I almost always use single point focus. Sometimes I miss a shot since I don't get my focus point where I want it on time, but when I have time to compose, I get what I want. For sports or shooting birds or running children, where there is just one subject for the camera to track and it moves fast, I'll sometimes use autofocus, or I'll just use a single focus point centrally and shoot wide and I rarely focus manually (sometimes in the dark it is the only choice, or with macro).....but I will often choose a focus point, focus, and then switch the lens to manual so that the focus point doesn't change.</p>
<p><font size="5"><span style="color:#800000;">Milk worse than smoking?</span></font></p>
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    <p>Did you know that according to a study from an esteemed medical school, some types
      of milk are now connected to cancer... </p>
    <p>and could cause as much damage to your
      health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day?</p>
    <p>Think about that...</p>
    <p>Smoking four packs a day is almost certain to lead to an early death... but according to the latest research, a certain type of milk could be even worse. </p>
    <p>Yet I'd bet not one in 1,000 people know what type of milk it is. </p>
    <p>There's a good chance this milk may be in your fridge right now. 
      It was in mine too. Until I came across the research your about to see.</p>
    <p><a href="http://www.fednit.com/public/notice/alert/08403.html"><strong>Click here</strong></a> to find out.</p>
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<p style="font-size:4px">ays its the same book only updated. My question is which one is most beneficial? Are they truly the same book? Composition and design are the same for both digital and analog imaging. However, the most current version (2007) has added the digital post-processing aspect, albeit a whopping 2 pages.Personally, I prefer to  the most current version as there may be editorial and technical corrections that are not obvious.version of the original book... which is pretty cool because he takes advantage of the fact that he can lay out the book as an  and then add programatic features to apply overlays and transitions to images which show you what he means.The answer is they are not actually the same book... but they are both meant to convey the same thing. One takes a more visual-based approach. The original version will be more descriptive and explain more about the theory (you probably get a better, With the emphasis on ... What times do you find yourself using auto
 focus compared to manual? Personally, I try to focus on my own because there is nothing more painful to me than missing a shot due to AF grabbing the  thing. However I sometimes find myself unable to keep up with the ring. Maybe it's just my crappy eyes, dunno, but I'm curious to see what people think of as a good time to rely on autofocus.Do you mean using single point autofocus versus full automatic? </p>
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You'd have thought that being director of engineering for Lotus racing cars would have been enough to keep a man occupied, but no. Ron Hickman had an invention he wanted to bring to the world's attention. 

One weekend in 1961, he was making a wardrobe at home and needed a support for the wood. So he put it on a chair . . . and ended up sawing through the wood and the chair. From this frustration the idea that would become the Black & Decker Workmate was born. 

Initially, Black & Decker rejected it, and Stanley Tools predicted that the item would sell no more than a few dozen. So Hickman started making them in his garden shed. They proved so popular that Black & Decker decided maybe it would license the idea after all. The Workmate has now sold in excess of 30 million.







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National Farmer's Almanac
Winter Survival Guide


Digital Magazine - September Edition

It's going to be so cold this winter... Your going to need an indoor hobby. 

The Almanac has predicted that the Winter of 2014/2015 will be the coldest of our lifetime.
With predictions of 50x more snow in parts of the country, We are getting you prepared 
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Woodworking is interesting, rewarding and with these "done for you" plans
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View Woodworking Catalogue -> http://www.naboots.com/farmers/almanac/hobby/woodworking/plans.html













EVQ Group- Account settings - http://www.naboots.com/98iikk3dcc/kh5.3ks - 
one nine four eight Abbey Lane Danville, IN 46122

Hi,  My boyfriend and I have been ring shopping for several months trying to figure out what we like and don't like. I always loved 2 carat stones on my size 5.5 finger. Yesterday we found THE STONE and he purchased it. Now that it's all said and done I am suddenly very self conscious about the size. Without a doubt people will judge me no matter what ring I wear, but I am starting to worry about being to showy or blingy. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Did you eventually get used to your stone? To start I want to reiterate what everyone is saying and that your ring is gorgeous! Congrats on the nuptials too!! I felt the same way about my ring which is just over a ct. I think it has to do where you come from and what you're used to...most of my friends back home have a half carat or smaller, it's a very blue collar town. It made me feel self conscious and ostentatious. Felt the same thing when I brought my first LV home. Then my sister told me to quit being stupid and that if I
  love it and I'm not breaking the bank to have it I should count my blessings and enjoy my lovely things. This is what I do now and it's the best advice I got lol. You are definitely worth that and more!
Are you looking to wear this as an actual engagement ring, or to wear as a RHR? I like the last choice, the Circlet, but mostly because I like how it's kind of Art Deco. As for other Tiffany rings, I love the Legacy with graduated side stones - the Circlet reminds me of that vein of design. Though, I don't think the Circlet really screams

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National Farmer's Almanac
Winter Survival Guide


Digital Magazine - September Edition

It's going to be so cold this winter... Your going to need an indoor hobby. 

The Almanac has predicted that the Winter of 2014/2015 will be the coldest of our lifetime.
With predictions of 50x more snow in parts of the country, We are getting you prepared 
with our favorite indoor hobby.

Woodworking is interesting, rewarding and with these "done for you" plans
you'll go from beginner to pro in hours. 

View Woodworking Catalogue -> http://www.vaclocal.com/farmers/almanac/hobby/woodworking/plans.html













EVQ Group- Account settings - http://www.vaclocal.com/98iikk3dcc/kh5.3ks - 
one nine four eight Abbey Lane Danville, IN 46122

Hi,  My boyfriend and I have been ring shopping for several months trying to figure out what we like and don't like. I always loved 2 carat stones on my size 5.5 finger. Yesterday we found THE STONE and he purchased it. Now that it's all said and done I am suddenly very self conscious about the size. Without a doubt people will judge me no matter what ring I wear, but I am starting to worry about being to showy or blingy. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Did you eventually get used to your stone? To start I want to reiterate what everyone is saying and that your ring is gorgeous! Congrats on the nuptials too!! I felt the same way about my ring which is just over a ct. I think it has to do where you come from and what you're used to...most of my friends back home have a half carat or smaller, it's a very blue collar town. It made me feel self conscious and ostentatious. Felt the same thing when I brought my first LV home. Then my sister told me to quit being stupid and that if I
  love it and I'm not breaking the bank to have it I should count my blessings and enjoy my lovely things. This is what I do now and it's the best advice I got lol. You are definitely worth that and more!
Are you looking to wear this as an actual engagement ring, or to wear as a RHR? I like the last choice, the Circlet, but mostly because I like how it's kind of Art Deco. As for other Tiffany rings, I love the Legacy with graduated side stones - the Circlet reminds me of that vein of design. Though, I don't think the Circlet really screams

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            <u><strong>July 26  414,333 cars affected</strong></u><br>
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            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V447000<br>
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            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Certain model year 2011-2012 Buick LaCrosse, Regal and Chevrolet Camaro, as well as certain 2010-2012 Cadillac SRX, Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain vehicles, equipped with power height adjustable driver and passenger seats.<br>
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            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
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            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the driver's seat unexpectedly drops, the distraction and altered seat position may affect the drivers' control of the vehicle, increasing the risk of a crash.<br>
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            Dealers will replace the height adjuster shoulder bolts, free of charge.<br>
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            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Model year 2000-2005 Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo, 1997-2005 Chevrolet Malibu, 1999-2004 Oldsmobile Alero, 1998-2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue, 1999-2005 Pontiac Grand Am and 2004-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix vehicles.<br>
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            Dealers will provide two replacement key rings and key cover on all ignition keys, free of charge.<br>
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            <u><strong>July 2  554,389 cars affected</strong></u><br>
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            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V394000<br>
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            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            554,328 model year 2003-2014 Cadillac CTS vehicles manufactured August 16, 2001, to April 28, 2014, and 2004-2006 Cadillac SRX vehicles manufactured March 20, 2003, to August 11, 2006.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            In these models, the weight on the key ring and/or road conditions or some other jarring event may cause the ignition switch to move out of the run position, turning off the engine.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the key is not in the run position, the air bags may not deploy if the vehicle is involved in a crash, increasing the risk of injury.
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            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will provide two replacement key rings, and vehicles with slotted keys will receive key inserts, free of charge.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>June 27  392,459 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V374000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Certain model year 2014-2015 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra vehicles, and model year 2015 GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe vehicles.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            In the affected vehicles, an electrical signal short may cause the transfer case to shift to neutral without the driver's input.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the transfer case switches to neutral while the vehicle is parked and the parking brake is not in use, the vehicle may roll away increasing the risk of injury to bystanders. If the transfer case switches to neutral while the vehicle is being driven, the vehicle would lose drive power, increasing the risk of a crash.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will re-program the software in the transfer case control module, free of charge.<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>June 27  90,750 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V338000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Certain model year 2013-2014 Cadillac ATS vehicles manufactured April 23, 2012, to March 20, 2014, and 2014 Cadillac CTS vehicles manufactured June 10, 2013, to March 20, 2014.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
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            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the transmission shift cable detaches while the vehicle is being driven, the transmission gear selection may not match the indicated gear and the vehicle may move in an unintended or unexpected direction, increasing the risk of a crash. Furthermore, when the driver goes to stop and park the vehicle, despite selecting the 'PARK' position, the transmission may not be in 'PARK.' If the vehicle is not in the 'PARK' position there is a risk the vehicle will roll away as the driver and other occupants exit the vehicle or anytime thereafter. A vehicle rollaway increases the risk of injury to exiting occupants and bystanders.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will inspect the vehicles to make sure the cable is properly seated at the transmission and shifter brackets, free of charge.<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>June 26  29,019 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V372000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            2013-2014 Chevrolet Cruze vehicles.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            In the affected vehicles, the driver's front air bag inflator may have been manufactured with an incorrect part.<br>
            <br>
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            In the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the driver's air bag, the air bag's inflator may rupture and the air bag may not inflate. The rupture could cause metal fragments to strike and potentially seriously injure the vehicle occupants. Additionally, if the air bag does not inflate, the driver is at an increased risk of injury.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will replace the driver side air bag<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>June 20  464,712 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V346000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            2010-2014 Chevrolet Camaro vehicles manufactured December 3, 2008 to May 23, 2014.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            In the affected vehicles, the driver may accidentally hit the ignition key with their knee, unintentionally knocking the key out of the run position, turning off the engine.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the key is not in the run position, the air bags may not deploy if the vehicle is involved in a crash, increasing the risk of injury. Additionally, a key knocked out of the run position could cause loss of engine power, power steering, and power braking, increasing the risk of a vehicle crash.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will remove the key blade from the original flip key/RKE transmitter assemblies, and provide two new keys and two key rings per key.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            Without an audible indicator, the driver may not be aware that the driver's door is open while the key is in the ignition, increasing the risk of a vehicle rollaway. Additionally, there would be no reminder that the driver's or front seat passenger's seat belt is not buckled, which could increase the risk of injury in a crash.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will update the radio software.<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>June 6  31,520 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V300000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            2012 Buick Verano vehicles manufactured December 2, 2011 to July, 16, 2012, Chevrolet Cruze vehicles manufactured December 7, 2011 to July 25, 2012, Chevrolet Sonic vehicles manufactured December 5, 2011 to August 2, 2012, and Chevrolet Camaro vehicles manufactured December 1, 2011 to June 11, 2012.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            The driver side frontal air bag has a shorting bar which may intermittently contact the air bag terminals.<br>
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            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the bar and terminals are contacting each other at the time of a crash necessitating deployment of the driver's frontal air bag, that air bag will not deploy, increasing the driver's risk of injury.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will replace the steering wheel air bag coil, free of charge.<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>May 21  1,339,355 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V266000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Certain model year 2009-2014 Buick Enclave vehicles manufactured April 14, 2008, through May 14, 2014, Chevrolet Traverse vehicles manufactured June 6, 2008, through May 14, 2014, and GMC Acadia vehicles manufactured April 9, 2008, through May 14, 2014, and 2009-2010 Saturn Outlook vehicles manufactured April 14, 2008, through March 18, 2010<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            In the affected vehicles, the flexible steel steel cable that connects the seatbelt to the front outboard seating positions may fatigue and separate over time.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the steel cable becomes fatigued and separates, the seatbelt may not properly restrain the seat occupant increasing the risk of an injury in a crash.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            Dealers will inspect and, if necessary, repair and replace the lap pretensioner.<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>May 21  218,000 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V261000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Certain model year 2004-2008 Chevrolet Aveo vehicles equipped with daytime running lights (DRL)<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Problem:</strong><br>
            In the affected vehicles, there may be heat generated within the DRL module located in the center console in the instrument panel, which could melt the DRL module.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Consequence:</strong><br>
            If the DRL module melts due to the heat generation, it could cause a vehicle fire.<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Solution:</strong><br>
            The remedy for this recall campaign is still under development.<br>
            <br>
            <u><strong>May 21  19,225 cars affected</strong></u><br>
            <br>
            <strong>NHTSA Campaign Number:</strong>14V259000<br>
            <br>
            <strong>Models under recall:</strong><br>
            Certain model year 2014 Cadillac CTS vehicles manufactured June 10, 2013, through February 26, 2014</div>
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to keep all my glaze recipes, in a separate "cookbook". 
It automatically changes the quantities for me when I 
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Larson's White - (Cone 9-10)
1593 3/4 grams Kona F4 (Soda feldspar)
562 1/2 grams Flint (silica)
468 3/4 grams Whiting
232 1/2 grams Zircopax
150 grams EPK Kaolin
For the most part I work with stains and terra sigillata 
I tend to use the glazes available at the clay center where I belong.
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cone 04 - 10
Frit 3124
Kaolin (EPK)
Oxide or Stain.
Mix equal parts by volume with water to consistency of skim milk.
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cone 04 ( I have used this up to cone 10 with varying results)
200 grams ball clay
840 mL water
25 grams sodium silicate
Mix the clay and water, then add the sodium silicate and stir vigorously 
for 15 min. Let the mixture sit for 24 hours. Discard the top water layer, 
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to keep all my glaze recipes, in a separate "cookbook". 
It automatically changes the quantities for me when I 
change the "portions" and it's a great way to keep track of ingredients.
Here's one of my favorites. This is the glaze I use for my tiles, and I 
paint the designs using either cobalt oxide or cobalt carbonate.

Larson's White - (Cone 9-10)
1593 3/4 grams Kona F4 (Soda feldspar)
562 1/2 grams Flint (silica)
468 3/4 grams Whiting
232 1/2 grams Zircopax
150 grams EPK Kaolin
For the most part I work with stains and terra sigillata 
I tend to use the glazes available at the clay center where I belong.
STAIN recipe:
cone 04 - 10
Frit 3124
Kaolin (EPK)
Oxide or Stain.
Mix equal parts by volume with water to consistency of skim milk.
When using Mason Stains I add it after the above are mixed and add the mason stain sparingly.
cone 04 ( I have used this up to cone 10 with varying results)
200 grams ball clay
840 mL water
25 grams sodium silicate
Mix the clay and water, then add the sodium silicate and stir vigorously 
for 15 min. Let the mixture sit for 24 hours. Discard the top water layer, 
siphon the middle terra sig layer, and discard the bottom sedimentary later. 
You will get one to three cups of clay depending on the clay used.


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His existing Trek FX 7.3 was bought new some years ago at a very good 'prior-model-year' price (has 'deore' derailleurs + quick-release wheels + generally in good condition as he has not ridden a lot) and more importantly is all set up for to safely operate using only his left hand.
I was initially reluctant to take his Trek to university due to concerns about it getting stolen - and have explored how to set-up the single-handed operation on an extra bike (see separate thread where I got some great advice). We never activated an additional bike as my son did not see the real need for one at university due to his then location.
t is only now that he has moved into new accommodation further from the university that my son is wanting access to a bike.
He thinks he can store the bike in his house - Regardless of which bike we will obviously need a good lock to secure bike while leaving bike unattended. 
On reflection I wonder if I am being unduly protective of the Trek which in reality is no longer a new bike and whose monetary (as opposed to any sentimental) value is presumably significantly less than what I paid. Thus why am I even thinking about getting an extra (used) bike with the hassle of getting it set up to operate safely with one hand ?I would just stick with the 7.3 and practice both safe and smart locking practices. Most bikes that get stolen are either locked with a cheap cable lock or left out over night. If a bike isn't staying in the same place for the better part of the day (or god forbid over night) then theft is less of a concern. A good strategy with a u-lock is the way to go. If he's going to park the bike at the same place everyday, he could even keep a second u-lock on the rack for additional security but without the need to carry two u-locks on the bike.











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From KimberlyMorales@abstephens.gypoil.com  Tue Sep  9 11:50:03 2014
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Subject: stay busy all year long
From: Family-Friendly Hobbies  <Kimberly..Morales@gypoil.com>
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As fall arrives, we wont be able to enjoy things like outdoor festivals, swimming 
or hiking. 

If you refuse to become a couch potato this fall you will love 
this years top DIY hobby... 
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ECQ Group
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His existing Trek FX 7.3 was bought new some years ago at a very good 'prior-model-year' price (has 'deore' derailleurs + quick-release wheels + generally in good condition as he has not ridden a lot) and more importantly is all set up for to safely operate using only his left hand.
I was initially reluctant to take his Trek to university due to concerns about it getting stolen - and have explored how to set-up the single-handed operation on an extra bike (see separate thread where I got some great advice). We never activated an additional bike as my son did not see the real need for one at university due to his then location.
t is only now that he has moved into new accommodation further from the university that my son is wanting access to a bike.
He thinks he can store the bike in his house - Regardless of which bike we will obviously need a good lock to secure bike while leaving bike unattended. 
On reflection I wonder if I am being unduly protective of the Trek which in reality is no longer a new bike and whose monetary (as opposed to any sentimental) value is presumably significantly less than what I paid. Thus why am I even thinking about getting an extra (used) bike with the hassle of getting it set up to operate safely with one hand ?I would just stick with the 7.3 and practice both safe and smart locking practices. Most bikes that get stolen are either locked with a cheap cable lock or left out over night. If a bike isn't staying in the same place for the better part of the day (or god forbid over night) then theft is less of a concern. A good strategy with a u-lock is the way to go. If he's going to park the bike at the same place everyday, he could even keep a second u-lock on the rack for additional security but without the need to carry two u-locks on the bike.











From AntonioHenderson@bizofbaseball.penfood.com  Tue Sep  9 12:35:59 2014
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<p>Did you know that in <strong><em>your area</em></strong> dealers are offering:</p>
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  <li> $1,000 Cash Back</li>
  <li> 0.0% APR</li>
  <li> low monthly leases</li>
  <li> and other deals on vehicles... </li>
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    <td style="color:#FFFFFF" width="294">Is this going to be a successful way to market these stamps?  Will there be demand for these items on the secondary market to the point that they will go up in value enough to compensate for the dollar amount one must pay for a stamp yearbook?  Or is it just a scheme to raise more revenue for the USPS and stamp collectors should boycott buying the sheetlets in mint form because of being forced to buy them only if you buy the Stamp Yearbook?
I for one have no intention of laying out money for a Stamp Yearbook I have no interest in just to get just a couple of souvenir sheets in mint condition.  It seems to me the USPS is making the availability of such stamps out of reach for many collectors (especially those on a tight budget)An interesting question, as I don't think I've ever seen any print quantities mentioned for miscellaneous items such as books or, in this case, Stamp Yearbooks and it's probably not publicized information unless one wants to file a FOIA request.
I can't believe it would be worth their while (the USPS) to have printed only a very small amount of these souvenir sheets (sheetlets).  Of course, hundreds of thousands of them will potentially be needed to meet the demand for FDCs, which would use up a sizable number.  Then again, I wouldn't put it past the USPS to try any number of other schemes should they find themselves with a large inventory of these souvenir sheets (sheetlets) leftover after the Stamp Yearbooks are sold out.  They could do a lottery (remember, they've done that before) or they could even include them in one of their An interesting comment was made on VSC about these souvenir</td>
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Hi,

We still need a few more responses to reach quorum.

Please take a few minutes to send your response by this Friday
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> [Extended to September 12, 2014 to give some more time for people to
> respond...]
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> All,
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> [This PWG Last Call starts today, Monday 28 July 2014, and ends Friday, 12
> September 2014 at 10pm US Pacific.]
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> This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP
> Finishings 2.0 (FIN2) specification, located at:
>
>         http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701.pdf
>
> All required attributes and values defined in this document have been
> prototyped by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed
> extensive review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG
> last call.
>
> The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG members must
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> but it DOES require your review acknowledgment.
>
>
> HOW TO RESPOND
>
> Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:
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> WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE
>
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>
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>
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few more responses to reach quorum.<br><br></div>Please take a few minutes =
to send your response by this Friday<br></div>(12 September).<br><br></div>=
Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D=
"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br=
>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation O=
pen Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair =
- IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - I=
PP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style=3D=
"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <=
a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@g=
mail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=
=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=
=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"d=
isplay:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div></div><div></=
div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Michael Sw=
eet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">[Extended to September 12, 2014 to give some more time for people to res=
pond...]<br>
<br>
All,<br>
<br>
[This PWG Last Call starts today, Monday 28 July 2014, and ends Friday, 12 =
September 2014 at 10pm US Pacific.]<br>
<br>
This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP Finishings=
 2.0 (FIN2) specification, located at:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd=
-ippfinishings20-20140701.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg=
/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701.pdf</a><br>
<br>
All required attributes and values defined in this document have been proto=
typed by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive rev=
iew of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last call.<br>
<br>
The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG members must acknow=
ledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any document can p=
rogress to PWG Formal Vote.=C2=A0 This PWG Last Call is NOT a Formal Vote b=
ut it DOES require your review acknowledgment.<br>
<br>
<br>
HOW TO RESPOND<br>
<br>
Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:<br>
Subject: &lt;Company Name&gt; has reviewed the IPP Finishings 2.0 specifica=
tion and has [no] comments<br>
<br>
<br>
WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE<br>
<br>
Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (replac=
ing &quot;dot&quot; with &#39;.&#39; and &quot;at&quot; with &#39;@&#39;):<=
br>
<br>
ipp &quot;at&quot; pwg &quot;dot&quot; org (IPP WG mailing list - you must =
be subscribed!)<br>
blueroofmusic &quot;at&quot; gmail &quot;dot&quot; com (Ira McDonald, IPP W=
G Co-Chair)<br>
ptykodi &quot;at&quot; tykodi &quot;dot&quot; com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-C=
hair)<br>
msweet &quot;at&quot; apple &quot;dot&quot; com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secr=
etary, author)<br>
<br>
<br>
Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email t=
here - otherwise your email will be silently discarded.<br>
<br>
Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.<br>
<br>
Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 i=
s located at:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_=
docs/pwg-process30.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.pwg.org/chair/membersh=
ip_docs/pwg-process30.pdf</a><br>
<br>
_________________________________________________________<br>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
pwg-announce mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:pwg-announce@pwg.org">pwg-announce@pwg.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce" target=3D"_bl=
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Wednesday, September 10, 2014 
Re: Woodworking made simple


Hi Ipp-archive,


I friend of mine noticed a beautiful coffee table I recently built. "Did you really make that?" he asked me. Yes, I did make it. He was so amazed because he didn't know I was that handy with woodworking. 

Truth is, I'm not very handy at all. What I actually did was stumble upon something that helped me build it step-by-step.

This is how I did it http://www.porttop.com/awi/woodworking-456/project-all.html


I began telling him that there are over 16,000 plans to chose and search. I never seen anything like it. It's designed for any skill level so anyone can do it.


I hope this helps you!

Good luck with your next project.










-------------------------------


From: AGA- Media - 125 Dixon Drive Sailsbury NC 
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014
Subject: FDW: plans

----

Remove settings http://www.porttop.com/index.htm


----

I happened to noticed this problem while writing a loop to evaluate another irrelevant performance issue. And the difference between ++i < n and i++ < n was huge enough to significantly influence the result.

If we look at the bytecode, the loop body of the faster version is:

iinc
iload
ldc
if_icmplt
And for the slower version:

iload
iinc
ldc
if_icmplt








From GabrielleKim@cherrytreegroup.emsdaw.com  Wed Sep 10 07:00:26 2014
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From: Tons of Woodworking Plans  <Gabrielle@emsdaw.com>
Subject: Supper easy building projects, over 16,000
To: <ipp-archive@megatron.ietf.org>

Wednesday, September 10, 2014 
Re: Woodworking made simple


Hi Ipp-archive,


I friend of mine noticed a beautiful coffee table I recently built. "Did you really make that?" he asked me. Yes, I did make it. He was so amazed because he didn't know I was that handy with woodworking. 

Truth is, I'm not very handy at all. What I actually did was stumble upon something that helped me build it step-by-step.

This is how I did it http://www.emsdaw.com/awi/woodworking-456/project-all.html


I began telling him that there are over 16,000 plans to chose and search. I never seen anything like it. It's designed for any skill level so anyone can do it.


I hope this helps you!

Good luck with your next project.










-------------------------------


From: AGA- Media - 125 Dixon Drive Sailsbury NC 
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014
Subject: FDW: plans

----

Remove settings http://www.emsdaw.com/index.htm


----

I happened to noticed this problem while writing a loop to evaluate another irrelevant performance issue. And the difference between ++i < n and i++ < n was huge enough to significantly influence the result.

If we look at the bytecode, the loop body of the faster version is:

iinc
iload
ldc
if_icmplt
And for the slower version:

iload
iinc
ldc
if_icmplt








From AlexanderWright@paulareaddesigns.crossdey.com  Wed Sep 10 07:38:36 2014
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Subject: Eligibility Terms (09/10)
From: HARP Refi Update  <Alexander.Wright@crossdey.com>
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Greetings Ipp-archive,


It is our pleasure to inform you that more favorable monthly terms are 
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Below you will find the details of your new terms (monthly rate), as well
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-
Looking back at our climbing experiences, we learn valuable lessons
that could have been helpful earlier in our climbing career. 
What's the one thing that you wish you knew before you started 
outdoor climbing? scaled down to a 41.5, when I got home I put 
them on for about 30 minutes. When I took them off my left big 
toe was completely numb. Turns out my left foot is 1/2 inch bigger 
than my right. This issue makes the 41.5 perfect for my right, and 
the 42 perfect I am wondering what is the proper procedure for top 
roping outdoors in the wild? 
Mainly what I want to know is where am I aloud to set up a top rope 
and climb? Do I need to find places specifically designated for top 
roping or can I pretty much just set up my top rope wherever I can
safely and efficiently do so? For example, could I essentially set 
up my top rope on a route that has been laid out for lead climbing 
and climb there? You can use routes set for lead climbing to top 
rope. Some areas you can use the existing anchors, some areas want
you to use your own hardware to toprope through so you don't 
contribute to excessive wear of the existing hardware. Best to
ask people who are familiar with the area. 

From GracieEstrada@landmarkartandframe.choredee.com  Wed Sep 10 08:05:39 2014
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Subject: Student-Loan Advisor | payback package 3245234
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 08:05:49 -0700
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Attn: ipp-archive@megatron.ietf.org

Please Read:
Re: Your Student-Loan


We are happy to bring to your attention that the government has programs that offer to forgive the remaining-balance of your SL. Please see what programs can help you:

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Relationships are key, and you may be surprised by which ones are most critical to your career. At my first job, the scheduler for the associates had all the power and was someone you wanted to get along with.

People have to want to work with you, and as you grow in your career, you need people who also want to work for  you. Dont narrow your focus just to colleagues at your level. Administrative staff often understand workplace dynamics better than anyone. Pursue the relationships that feel authentic to you to expand your resources, knowledge base and support network.


git log cee157
error: short SHA1 cee157 is ambiguous.
error: short SHA1 cee157 is ambiguous.
fatal: ambiguous argument 'cee157': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
Use '--' to separate paths from revisions, like this:
'git <command> [<revision>...] -- [<file>...]'
I just tested this on a real Git repository, by finding commits with duplicate prefixes like this:

git rev-list master | cut -c-4 | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | head
This takes the list of revisions in master, cuts out the first 4 characters and throws away the rest, count the duplicates and sort numerically. In a my relatively small repository of ~1500 commits I found quite a few revisions with a common 4-digit prefix. I chose a 4-digit prefix because that seems to be the shortest legal length supported by Git. (Doesn't work with 3 digits or less, even if not ambiguous.)

Btw this was not a typo, I don't know why the error message about ambiguous SHA1 appears twice, regardless of the number of duplicate SHA1 (tried with 2 and 3):









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Subject: Notice: plans for martial law
Message-ID: <September.20140910034838.11876.60773.34522-3@roerotate.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:54:40 -0700
From: Crisis Survival Strategy  <Abbott@roerotate.com>

Alert: Current Status of the Nation 
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Important points 
- I don't rappel. My lead climber belays me down 
and then does his own rappelling. 
- I've read a long thread about the pros and cons of 
belaying with a Grigri. After weighing the pros and 
cons, I'm pretty sure an ATC with a Presik is what I'll train with, when I'm ready. 
THAT BEING SAID... 

I don't understand why the grigri documentation says to 
rappel like it does. The the attached diagram with their system. 
Then see my proposed system in attached images: me rappelling 
from my cat tower with a sling harness for simplicity. 
The grigri official system could result in my death if I belay from 
the wrong side of the rope. It also requires a BFK to not pass 
through the loop, which is another layer of complexity. 
Meanwhile, my proposed system - which is basically reversing my
 belay with me as the belayer - has only one dangling rope end, 
 so I can't chose an end that results in automatically falling 
 to my death. You also have to let twice as much rope out through 
 the device. 
There really is no clear advantage. Quite a few minor
 disadvantages and a few rare major ones. 
(It is entirely feasible that that the rope could get wedged in a
 crack or even pinned by the weight on the other side. This would
  be a quite a challenging self rescue situation.) 
Clipping the wrong end of the rope is an entirely manageable risk.
 Do it right. Check that it is right. Weight the system before removing you safety. 

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Important points 
- I don't rappel. My lead climber belays me down 
and then does his own rappelling. 
- I've read a long thread about the pros and cons of 
belaying with a Grigri. After weighing the pros and 
cons, I'm pretty sure an ATC with a Presik is what I'll train with, when I'm ready. 
THAT BEING SAID... 

I don't understand why the grigri documentation says to 
rappel like it does. The the attached diagram with their system. 
Then see my proposed system in attached images: me rappelling 
from my cat tower with a sling harness for simplicity. 
The grigri official system could result in my death if I belay from 
the wrong side of the rope. It also requires a BFK to not pass 
through the loop, which is another layer of complexity. 
Meanwhile, my proposed system - which is basically reversing my
 belay with me as the belayer - has only one dangling rope end, 
 so I can't chose an end that results in automatically falling 
 to my death. You also have to let twice as much rope out through 
 the device. 
There really is no clear advantage. Quite a few minor
 disadvantages and a few rare major ones. 
(It is entirely feasible that that the rope could get wedged in a
 crack or even pinned by the weight on the other side. This would
  be a quite a challenging self rescue situation.) 
Clipping the wrong end of the rope is an entirely manageable risk.
 Do it right. Check that it is right. Weight the system before removing you safety. 

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Locking biners will be heavier than non-lockers, so are not 
often used for this. Also, they aren't generally designed to
 ease clipping in the way that biners for draws are designed 
 -- but people used to use ovals (and still do) for this, so 
 that's not a big issue. I could see is if the spring for 
 closing the gate wasn't as strong, and with a heavier gate
due to the locking mechanism on it, they would be more inclined
towards gate flutter than a regular biner. If worried about that, 
of course, you could lock them. If you're talking about some of the 
twist-lock auto-locking ones, then the other issue is that opening 
them one-handed to clip may be a bit annoying, so they'd be more 
awkward to use than you really want. . Since starting lead I am red 
pointing 16s. It has been almost 5 months and I am still only red
 pointing 16s. It is really frustrating! The worst part is that 
 16s are so juggy and simple. A moderately fit person who has 
 never climbed before could top rope a 16. No matter how long i 
 project something I can not flash anything above 16. 
 have tried zig-zaging and up-downing climbs in which I can flash 
 but still nothing. My coach says he thinks I am 'death-gripping' 
 the holds (I don't feel like I am) because I am not used to lead 
 climbing. He said the only thing I can do is keep leading as much 
 as I can. I trust him but it's been a long time with no progress.
  I train every Monday and Friday and then sometimes a 3rd day somewhere. 
I just get pumped so quickly on lead. Currently I am a much better 
boulderer than lead climber, in the V4/5/6 range. 
Is there anything I can do

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I think you're having head issues with leading. Hesitation, 
over gripping, etc. I would suggest when you go climbing to 
spend only part of the time leading and actively working on 
these head issues (practice falls perhaps, but also just getting 
mileage will make you more comfortable on the sharp end). 
But then also spend time on top rope practicing movement and 
developing strength. Perhaps read the Rock Warriors way, which is
 a mental training book. Without climbing with you I can't 
 suggest strategies to improve your mental game, but this book
  can help you identify issues and strategies yourself.Are you 
  leading the same climbs you are top roping? Or is the lead 
  wall a different section of wall to the top roping section. 
 the gym I started climbing in the lead wall was imposing and 
 a 14 meter overhang, whereas most of the top roping was vertical 
 or a bit overhung and mostly 9-10 meters. 
I had the same problems but it was because it was a different 
style of climbing. I could only do super juggy routes on the 
lead wall because it was more overhung than the other walls where 
I could pull on the crimps and slopers. But thats what  
steep climbing is all about (from my experience anyway) until 
it gets to the higher grades. Pulling on jugs, getting pumped 
and falling on moves that should be easy. 
Is it like this in your gym or are you going up the same routes
 you top rope easy and struggling hard on lead? 
Do different people set the lead routes? Just keep doin it. 
Relax. Get used to falling, get used to feeling the fear and 
climbing anyway. You'll get there. Enjoy climbing. 

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=============================================


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-
-
I think you're having head issues with leading. Hesitation, 
over gripping, etc. I would suggest when you go climbing to 
spend only part of the time leading and actively working on 
these head issues (practice falls perhaps, but also just getting 
mileage will make you more comfortable on the sharp end). 
But then also spend time on top rope practicing movement and 
developing strength. Perhaps read the Rock Warriors way, which is
 a mental training book. Without climbing with you I can't 
 suggest strategies to improve your mental game, but this book
  can help you identify issues and strategies yourself.Are you 
  leading the same climbs you are top roping? Or is the lead 
  wall a different section of wall to the top roping section. 
 the gym I started climbing in the lead wall was imposing and 
 a 14 meter overhang, whereas most of the top roping was vertical 
 or a bit overhung and mostly 9-10 meters. 
I had the same problems but it was because it was a different 
style of climbing. I could only do super juggy routes on the 
lead wall because it was more overhung than the other walls where 
I could pull on the crimps and slopers. But thats what  
steep climbing is all about (from my experience anyway) until 
it gets to the higher grades. Pulling on jugs, getting pumped 
and falling on moves that should be easy. 
Is it like this in your gym or are you going up the same routes
 you top rope easy and struggling hard on lead? 
Do different people set the lead routes? Just keep doin it. 
Relax. Get used to falling, get used to feeling the fear and 
climbing anyway. You'll get there. Enjoy climbing. 

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ast week someone was nice enough to leave one of those 
shortened grocery carts on my property. I went to return 
it to the store it came from, and was told old carts are 
discarded and are mostly grabbed out of dumpsters by the 
homeless. In short they didn't want it back. So now I have 
a grocery cart and I love DIY projects as well as prepping 
for when , so naturally I need some ideas on what to use
 it for. I had a set of four rather tough rubber tires that 
 came off a small wagon laying around, so I changed those out
  with the small slick ones the cart had. The cart manuveurs 
  off road fairly well and with little trouble. Can't wait for some idea
  
Scrap metal or use it in your work shop as a work surface, 
to push around tools. I have a little two shelf cart, I keep
in my narrow garage, to wheel out to my truck when wrenching,
it's nice to have a place to put my drink and tools for those
of us who don't have the luxury of a work bench in a large 
garage. Unless you plan to push it on city streets in a bug 
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Subject: [IPP] TIC has reviewed the IPP Finishings 2.0 specification and has comments
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(Most of these result from minor discomforts I  had in reading through, =
wondering if some reading this without extensive IPP background would =
get it right. Obviously, I did not judiciously review all of the real =
technical content. Indeed, it is rather mindboggling. I apologize for =
not checking these against other=E2=80=99s comments.)

Bill W.

=20

Comments and Questions

=20

2.2, 2.3

a. Should this section follow current outline and include a Protocol =
Roles paragraph?

b. I don't understand why finishing terms are not considered Printing =
Terminology

c. The distinction between the terms "document, Document, copy, hardcopy =
document, set, (and perhaps a few others) as used in this specification =
should be made more clear with (perhaps) repeated definitions here and =
consistent use in the text.

For example, RFC2911, appears to define "document" circularly as "a =
stream of document data in a format supported by the Printer object =
(typically a Page Description Language - PDL), or - a reference to such =
a stream of document data". (Strange that it does not refer to content =
of what is to be printed?)

=20

But this specification, in addition to referring the to specification as =
"this document",  refers to "pages from her document onto folded sheets =
(3.2.3); document be covered and bound (4); holes in the hardcopy =
document (4.8); copy of each printed document in the Job(5.1); as if the =
document were a portrait document (5.1);Jobs with multiple copies and =
Documents (5.1); PWG Raster Format document (5.3)" which do nto seem to =
correlate with the  RFC2911 definition.

=20

I think, particularly in the quotes from 5100.1, "document" with a lower =
case 'd',  and "hardcopy document" typically  refer to one copy of a =
complete printed output, which might contain the document data from =
multiple RFC 2911 'documents'. Document (with a capital D) corresponds =
to a RFC2911 'document'. Sets and copies appear to refer to hardcopy =
documents, but I am unsure if Set refers to one copy of a complete =
hardcopy document (which might result from a set of Documents) or all =
the copies produced in response to a Job (or is a 'set' defined just be =
the number of sheets stated in job-pages-per-set?

There is also the term "hardcopy output", (used several places in 5.2), =
which, although understandable, seems to be used in the same sense as =
"copy" and perhaps "set" is used elsewhere and again is unclear as to =
whether it refers to a sheet, a single copy of a hardcopy document, a =
set of something or?

=20

3.1. Items 1 and 2. Since the subject is rationale, would it not be =
better to indicate that 'there is a need to' rather than the =
specification 'should', which sounds more like a requirement of the =
specification rather than for the specification.

=20

3.2  The use cases all refer to indicating finishing intent "after =
initiating a print action". This might be mistaken for action being =
initiated at the Printer which, although it is somewhat clarified by the =
subsequent statement that the person "submits the print request".  Could =
the "After initiating a print action" phase be dropped?

=20

3.2.4 Photographic Print suggests "... the process of producing a final =
image on paper for viewing, using chemically sensitized paper.", =
typically using  optical exposure. Is that what is meant here, or is it =
more likely a more conventional ink or toner printing process? Would =
using the term "printed sheet" be more appropriate?

=20

3.2.5  The "print an investor report ... with the company cover stock". =
wording suggests that the report is printed on cover stock. Perhaps " =
print an investor report with a preprinted Company report cover"  would =
avoid confusion of cover finishing versus the  use of cover stock as =
medium.  The wording " .intent that will cover each copy"   might better =
be "intent that each copy have the preprinted cover".

=20

3.5 Restart numbering

=20

4. Should this section start a new page?

=20

4.7 "offsets each set" I am unclear on what a set is. Perhaps it is a =
single copy of a collated hardcopy document or could it be all copies of =
a single sheet or of a hardcopy document derived from a single Document? =
Or is it just a defined number of sheets output ?

=20

4.10 Suggest this paragraph should precede figure

=20

7.1, 7.2 Section 0?

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>(Most of these result =
from minor discomforts I =C2=A0had in reading through, wondering if some =
reading this without extensive IPP background would get it right. =
Obviously, I did not judiciously review all of the real technical =
content. Indeed, it is rather mindboggling. I apologize for not checking =
these against other=E2=80=99s comments.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill =
W.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Comments and =
Questions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2.2, =
2.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>a. <span =
style=3D'color:black'>Should this section follow current outline and =
include a Protocol Roles paragraph?</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>b. I don't =
understand why finishing terms are not considered Printing =
Terminology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>c. The =
distinction between the terms &quot;<span =
style=3D'color:black'>document, Document, copy, hardcopy document, set, =
(and perhaps a few others) as used in this specification should be made =
more clear with (perhaps) repeated definitions here and consistent use =
in the text.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>F=
or example, RFC2911, appears to define &quot;document&quot; circularly =
as &quot;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>a stream of =
document data in a format supported by the Printer object (typically a =
Page Description Language - PDL), or - a reference to such a stream of =
document data&quot;. (Strange that it does not refer to content of what =
is to be printed?)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But this specification, in =
addition to referring the to specification as &quot;this =
document&quot;,=C2=A0 refers to &quot;pages from her document onto =
folded sheets (3.2.3); document be covered and bound (4); holes in the =
hardcopy document (4.8); copy of each printed document in the Job(5.1); =
as if the document were a portrait document (5.1);Jobs with multiple =
copies and Documents (5.1); PWG Raster Format document (5.3)&quot; which =
do nto seem to correlate with the=C2=A0 RFC2911 =
definition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I think, particularly in the =
quotes from 5100.1, &quot;document&quot; with a lower case 'd',=C2=A0 =
and &quot;hardcopy document&quot; typically=C2=A0 refer to one copy of a =
complete printed output, which might contain the document data from =
multiple RFC 2911 'documents'. Document (with a capital D) corresponds =
to a RFC2911 'document'. Sets and copies appear to refer to hardcopy =
documents, but I am unsure if Set refers to one copy of a complete =
hardcopy document (which might result from a set of Documents) or all =
the copies produced in response to a Job (or is a 'set' defined just be =
the number of sheets stated in job-pages-per-set?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There is also the term =
&quot;hardcopy output&quot;, (used several places in 5.2), which, =
although understandable, seems to be used in the same sense as =
&quot;copy&quot; and perhaps &quot;set&quot; is used elsewhere and again =
is unclear as to whether it refers to a sheet, a single copy of a =
hardcopy document, a set of something or?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.1. Items 1 and 2. <span =
style=3D'color:black'>Since the subject is rationale, would it not be =
better to indicate that 'there is a need to' rather than the =
specification 'should', which sounds more like a requirement of the =
specification rather than for the =
specification.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>3.2=C2=A0 The use =
cases all refer to indicating finishing intent &quot;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>after initiating a print =
action&quot;. This might be mistaken for action being initiated at the =
Printer which, although it is somewhat clarified by the subsequent =
statement that the person &quot;submits the print request&quot;.=C2=A0 =
Could the <span style=3D'color:black'>&quot;</span>After initiating a =
print action&quot; phase be dropped?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.2.4 <span =
style=3D'color:black'>Photographic Print suggests &quot;... the process =
of producing a final image on paper for viewing, using chemically =
sensitized paper.&quot;, typically using=C2=A0 optical exposure. Is that =
what is meant here, or is it more likely a more conventional ink or =
toner printing process? Would using the term &quot;printed sheet&quot; =
be more appropriate?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>3.2.5=C2=A0 The =
&quot;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>print an =
investor report ... with the company cover stock&quot;.<span =
style=3D'color:black'> wording suggests that the report is printed on =
cover stock. Perhaps &quot; print an investor report with a preprinted =
Company report cover&quot;=C2=A0 would avoid confusion of cover =
finishing versus the=C2=A0 use of cover stock as medium.=C2=A0 The =
wording &quot; .intent that will cover each copy&quot;=C2=A0=C2=A0 might =
better be &quot;intent that each copy have the preprinted =
cover&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.5 Restart =
numbering<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4. Should this section start =
a new page?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4.7 &quot;offsets each =
set&quot; I am unclear on what a set is. Perhaps it is a single copy of =
a collated hardcopy document or could it be all copies of a single sheet =
or of a hardcopy document derived from a single Document? Or is it just =
a defined number of sheets output ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4.10 Suggest this paragraph =
should precede figure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>7.1, 7.2 Section =
0?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Look at your post, this is not really a question. What do you want to know ? You are tagging to languages quite different and we don't even know what you want to do.   ibi0tux May 6 '13 at 6:20 
Well, there is a struct ...   Corak May 6 '13 at 6:21
I know there is struct, but i cant call a class a struct, that would be wrong   Yui May 6 '13 at 6:22
1not answerable at all.what is the question?   Runner May 6 '13 at 6:22
Why use a class, when you want a struct? If all you need is "pass by reference", then maybe you can call it "structlike class" or something.   Corak May 6 '13 at 6:25ry changing the last line to: print str(number)This will change the list into a printable string representation.If you want to learn more about strings and formatting, check out Chapter 7 of the Python Tutorial. Actually, the whole tutorial is pretty awesome. :)EDIT: David is correct in his comment below...print converts lists to strings automatically (I suppose it does so for any type with a defined string conversion). I'm still a noob too. :p
Anyway, I just checked your code in the Python interpreter, and it worked (as Luk Lalinsk said it should). Have you checked your indentation? Also, if you happen to be using Python3, you'll need to turn print into a function, e.g.: print(number)ef myDate(raw):
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You have to take care of a city okay that is why there is tax!   Ethan Bacon May 31 '13 at 13:34
  	  	
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17 Then Paul called one of the centurions unto him, and said, Bring this young man unto the chief captain for he hath a certain thing to tell him. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 9 And what saddle soever he rideth upon that hath the issue shall be unclean. 7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man and he hasted to dress it.
14  The sons of Manasseh Ashriel, whom she bare but his concubine the Aramitess bare Machir the father of Gilead 3 Therefore came all the elders of Israel to the king to Hebron and David made a covenant with them in Hebron before the LORD and they anointed David king over Israel, according to the word of the LORD by Samuel. 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 2 It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows for so he giveth his beloved sleep.
8 Moreover the Levites Jeshua, Binnui, Kadmiel, Sherebiah, Judah, and Mattaniah, which was over the thanksgiving, he and his brethren. CHAPTER 6 10 Therefore snares are round about thee, and sudden fear troubleth thee 27 And Shimei had sixteen sons and six daughters but his brethren had not many children, neither did all their family multiply, like to the children of Judah.
62 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood. 30 How much more, if haply the people had eaten freely to day of the spoil of their enemies which they found? for had there not been now a much greater slaughter among the Philistines? CHAPTER 6 11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
13 Is not my help in me? and is wisdom driven quite from me? 15 For a voice declareth from Dan, and publisheth affliction from mount Ephraim. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau and they of the plain the Philistines and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion. 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead 16 He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best thou shalt not oppress him. 38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
4 And he must needs go through Samaria. 33 And the people saw them departing, and many knew him, and ran afoot thither out of all cities, and outwent them, and came together unto him. 11 Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD he is their help and their shield. CHAPTER 3

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18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau for the LORD hath spoken it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh for he hath been dead four days.
3 And when the queen of Sheba had seen the wisdom of Solomon, and the house that he had built,
8 They shall have like portions to eat, beside that which cometh of the sale of his patrimony.
15 And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.
4  And when the time was that Elkanah offered, he gave to Peninnah his wife, and to all her sons and her daughters, portions
75 I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles feet.
17 I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy I will shew them the back, and not the face, in the day of their calamity.
36 And Sharaim, and Adithaim, and Gederah, and Gederothaim fourteen cities with their villages
1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
22 For a servant when he reigneth and a fool when he is filled with meat
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children for blessed are they that keep my ways.
38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?
15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.
1 When the LORD turned again the captivity of Zion, we were like them that dream.
81 One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name thou art mine.
9  And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl and they four had one likeness and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the kings enemies whereby the people fall under thee.
10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger I am the LORD your God.
12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
15 Good understanding giveth favour but the way of transgressors is hard.
30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
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It's one of my conditions before agreeing to start the job, that all colors and sheens have been chosen. The contract is signed when we begin and all paints, colors & sheens are in the contract, as well as which surfaces will receive each product. I also include a statement about additional charges that they will incur if any changes are made after they sign the contract. Those changes are detailed in a change order, which they sign, and is amended to the original contract Usually the colors and sheens are decided and signed off on before we start but we will sometimes begin if we have enough colors locked in to get us a fair way into the project. Often people just need to see the main color before comitting to an accent color. 

If we start to get close to the next phase and a decision still hasn't been made then usually just the threat of moving off site to another job is enough to get the HO moving. I'm guessing it's only been a handful of times that we've actually had to pull out and move on. When it has happened, I've sometimes added a fee for delay of work. Just depends on the specific circumstances and the attitude of the 

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Below is a comprehensive shed and woodworking package with 12,000+  plans 
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It's one of my conditions before agreeing to start the job, that all colors and sheens have been chosen. The contract is signed when we begin and all paints, colors & sheens are in the contract, as well as which surfaces will receive each product. I also include a statement about additional charges that they will incur if any changes are made after they sign the contract. Those changes are detailed in a change order, which they sign, and is amended to the original contract Usually the colors and sheens are decided and signed off on before we start but we will sometimes begin if we have enough colors locked in to get us a fair way into the project. Often people just need to see the main color before comitting to an accent color. 

If we start to get close to the next phase and a decision still hasn't been made then usually just the threat of moving off site to another job is enough to get the HO moving. I'm guessing it's only been a handful of times that we've actually had to pull out and move on. When it has happened, I've sometimes added a fee for delay of work. Just depends on the specific circumstances and the attitude of the 

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All,

The new PWG web site is now online at:

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I'd like to express my sincere appreciation to everyone that tested the =
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Please report any problems (and suggestions for improvement) to the PWG =
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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Hi,

These three comments are from the 8 September draft of JDFMAP
- names are PWG SM names (but map one-to-one to IPP names):

(1) Coating.CoatingType
Comment [i11]:
06/16/14 =E2=80=93 IPP WG =E2=80=93 Maybe import JDF coating types?
Mike will review.  08/25 =E2=80=93 TBD by Mike

(2) Folding -> add FoldingType?
Comment [i12]:
06/16/14 =E2=80=93 IPP WG =E2=80=93 This will require some calculation sinc=
e
all folds are from the top or left in JDF (Mike).
08/25/14 =E2=80=93 Rainer says can be achieved in with
FoldingParamsLink/@Matrix (which can do rotations and flips).
Rainer says JDF folding for digital will be FoldingParams/@FoldCatalog

(3) Punching -> add PunchingType?
Comment [i13]:
08/25/14 =E2=80=93 Rainer says JDF has @HoleType that gives you a
catalog of standard hole type names =E2=80=93 should PWG add
PunchingType to IPP Finishings 2.0?

Cheers,
- Ira


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div><div>These three comments =
are from the 8 September draft of JDFMAP <br>- names are PWG SM names (but =
map one-to-one to IPP names):<br></div><div><br>(1) Coating.CoatingType<br>=
Comment [i11]: <br>06/16/14 =E2=80=93 IPP WG =E2=80=93 <span style=3D"backg=
round-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Maybe import JDF coating types? </span><br>Mike=
 will review.=C2=A0 <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">08/25 =
=E2=80=93 TBD by Mike</span><br><br></div><div>(2) Folding -&gt; add Foldin=
gType?<br>Comment [i12]: <br>06/16/14 =E2=80=93 IPP WG =E2=80=93 This will =
require some calculation since <br>all folds are from the top or left in JD=
F (Mike).<br>08/25/14 =E2=80=93 Rainer says can be achieved in with<br>Fold=
ingParamsLink/@Matrix (which can do rotations and flips).<br><span style=3D=
"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer says JDF folding for digital will =
be FoldingParams/@FoldCatalog<br></span><br></div>(3) Punching -&gt; add Pu=
nchingType?<br>Comment [i13]: <br>08/25/14 =E2=80=93 <span style=3D"backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer says JDF has @HoleType that gives you a <b=
r>catalog of standard hole type names =E2=80=93 should PWG add<br>PunchingT=
ype to IPP Finishings 2.0?</span><br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><d=
iv><div><br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arc=
hitect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Fo=
undation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br=
>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated =
Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofm=
usic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><=
a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highn=
orthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br=
>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bluer=
oofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=
=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais,=
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What is up with that?
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Subject: Re: [IPP] High North has reviewed the IPP Finishings 2.0 specification and has comments
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Ira,

Thanks, some quick feedback (which I'll include in the lcrc file as =
well...)

On Sep 11, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> These three comments are from the 8 September draft of JDFMAP=20
> - names are PWG SM names (but map one-to-one to IPP names):
>=20
> (1) Coating.CoatingType
> Comment [i11]:=20
> 06/16/14 =96 IPP WG =96 Maybe import JDF coating types?=20
> Mike will review.  08/25 =96 TBD by Mike

Looks like the only coating types that cannot be directly mapped now are =
"Aqueous" (whatever that is) and "Protective" (again, no definition...)  =
No objection to adding them as long as we can define them.


> (2) Folding -> add FoldingType?
> Comment [i12]:=20
> 06/16/14 =96 IPP WG =96 This will require some calculation since=20
> all folds are from the top or left in JDF (Mike).
> 08/25/14 =96 Rainer says can be achieved in with
> FoldingParamsLink/@Matrix (which can do rotations and flips).
> Rainer says JDF folding for digital will be FoldingParams/@FoldCatalog

I don't see a FoldingType or FoldingParamsLink/@Matrix in JDF 1.5.

I see a BoxFoldingType, but that's not the same.

Right now we follow JDF's =
FoldingParams/Fold/@{From|To|RelativeTravel|Travel}.

But as for @FoldCatalog, that is the equivalent to the fold-xxx values =
we have (just more values than we currently define).

> (3) Punching -> add PunchingType?
> Comment [i13]:=20
> 08/25/14 =96 Rainer says JDF has @HoleType that gives you a=20
> catalog of standard hole type names =96 should PWG add
> PunchingType to IPP Finishings 2.0?

There is a "HoleType" in HoleMakingParams.  But we already have the =
punch-dual-xxx, punch-triple-xxx, and punch-quad-xxx keywords and enums =
so I'm not sure it would be much use beyond those (i.e. use =
"finishing-template=3D'punch-xxx'" as the equivalent of @HoleType...)

>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>=20
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>=20

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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after-white-space;">Ira,<div><br></div><div>Thanks, some quick feedback =
(which I'll include in the lcrc file as =
well...)</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 11, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Ira =
McDonald &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div><div>These three comments =
are from the 8 September draft of JDFMAP <br>- names are PWG SM names =
(but map one-to-one to IPP names):<br></div><div><br>(1) =
Coating.CoatingType<br>Comment [i11]: <br>06/16/14 =96 IPP WG =96 <span =
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Maybe import JDF coating =
types? </span><br>Mike will review.&nbsp; <span =
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">08/25 =96 TBD by =
Mike</span><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><d=
iv>Looks like the only coating types that cannot be directly mapped now =
are "Aqueous" (whatever that is) and "Protective" (again, no =
definition...) &nbsp;No objection to adding them as long as we can =
define them.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>(2) Folding -&gt; add =
FoldingType?<br>Comment [i12]: <br>06/16/14 =96 IPP WG =96 This will =
require some calculation since <br>all folds are from the top or left in =
JDF (Mike).<br>08/25/14 =96 Rainer says can be achieved in =
with<br>FoldingParamsLink/@Matrix (which can do rotations and =
flips).<br><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer says =
JDF folding for digital will be =
FoldingParams/@FoldCatalog<br></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>I don't see a FoldingType or =
FoldingParamsLink/@Matrix in JDF 1.5.</div><div><br>I see a =
BoxFoldingType, but that's not the same.</div><div><br></div><div>Right =
now we&nbsp;follow JDF's =
FoldingParams/Fold/@{From|To|RelativeTravel|Travel}.</div><div><br><div>Bu=
t as for @FoldCatalog, that is the equivalent to the fold-xxx values we =
have (just more values than we currently =
define).</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>(3) Punching -&gt; add PunchingType?<br>Comment =
[i13]: <br>08/25/14 =96 <span =
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer says JDF has @HoleType =
that gives you a <br>catalog of standard hole type names =96 should PWG =
add<br>PunchingType to IPP Finishings =
2.0?</span><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There =
is a "HoleType" in HoleMakingParams. &nbsp;But we already have the =
punch-dual-xxx, punch-triple-xxx, and punch-quad-xxx keywords and enums =
so I'm not sure it would be much use beyond those (i.e. use =
"finishing-template=3D'punch-xxx'" as the equivalent of =
@HoleType...)</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- =
Ira<br><div><br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / =
Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions =
WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO =
Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing =
Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue =
Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" =
target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a =
style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" =
target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto:=
 <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter&nbsp; 579 Park =
Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; 734-944-0094<br>Summer&nbsp; PO =
Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; 906-494-2434<br><br><div =
style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div =
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From SeanEdwards@insurancepartners-biz.aptwhen.com  Fri Sep 12 09:48:56 2014
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From: Know The Truth  <Sean@insurancepartners-biz.aptwhen.com>
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Subject: Our nations truth revealed
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:50:35 -0700
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Hey Ipp-archive

You may think you understand what is is happening to our nation but what you really know is far form the truth.

-Obama's hidden agenda-
http://www.aptwhen.com/cnbc/watch/Vid-234645.plans

Six months form now your whole world could be turned upside-down.



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# {method} {0x00000000550605b8} &apos;runPostIncrement&apos; &apos;()V&apos; in &apos;PrePostIncrement&apos;
  #           [sp+0x20]  (sp of caller)
  0x000000000286d0c0: sub    $0x18,%rsp
  0x000000000286d0c7: mov    %rbp,0x10(%rsp)    ;*synchronization entry
                                                ; - PrePostIncrement::runPostIncrement@-1 (line 35)

  0x000000000286d0cc: mov    $0x1,%r11d
  0x000000000286d0d2: jmp    0x000000000286d0e3
  0x000000000286d0d4: nopl   0x0(%rax,%rax,1)
  0x000000000286d0dc: data32 data32 xchg %ax,%ax
  0x000000000286d0e0: inc    %r11d              ; OopMap{off=35}
                                                ;*goto
                                                ; - PrePostIncrement::runPostIncrement@11 (line 36)

  0x000000000286d0e3: test   %eax,-0x243d0e9(%rip)        # 0x0000000000430000
                                                ;*goto
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                                                ;   {poll}
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  0x000000000286d0f6: pop    %rbp
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From DiegoNunez@blackvoicenews.dahwide.com  Fri Sep 12 11:27:37 2014
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Greetings Ipp-archive,


This is our final attempt to warn you of the upcoming disaster. 

In light of recent world events, this guide is meant to prevent
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Please review the guidelines below
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account adjustments
TGI Services
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Bartlesville, OK 74006 http://www.dahwide.com/gg3/z5m/oz1.tbq
e bought our home about a year ago. I had the water tested and they said the water was hard. 
I understand the extreme basics (talking a 3rd grade level at best) and know the blue cartridges
 in the pictures are  filters. I've already changed them.
The part that confuses me is the big tank. I thought it was a water appears it's not if my water i
s hard? I asked a plumber friend who was too busy to look first hand... he said it's probably 
meant to fix the pH instead of treat hard water.
he plumber pulled 'paper towels' out of the line. The next week he said it was again due to '
paper towels' and changed to a high flow toilet. Yesterday it happened again. A camera 
showed paper towels I ran a search numbers that I could find on it with  but they all point me
 to setting the controls so it cycles. What I really need to find out is exactly what I have, what I 
fill the tank with, and how to fill it.
Most maintenance done on this house was last done years before we bought the home. I'm sure 
it needs filled. It has the date 11-4-10 written on it so I'm pretty sure that's when the system was installed.

Any assistance at all that you could provide is greatly appreciated

From EleanorWashington@service68-us.toypep.com  Fri Sep 12 12:53:28 2014
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<p style="font-size:3px; color:#FFFFFF">Managed to suck up the strings on, of course, MY workout pants. The beater bar won't go around now and it sounds sick. I've sucked other things up in the past by accident and it always pulled through even if it sounded a little rough at first. Not this time.What to do? I love that vacuum, but we won't be buying another Dyson at this point. And I should also mention, with three long haired cats, I vacuum minimum of every other day. It should really be done every day.It's 7 years old. Never filled out a warranty because it was a gift and don't have the receipt. Warranty probably doesn't cover stupidity anyhow.</p>
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      health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day?</p>
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bout a month ago the strainer in my home's kitchen sink started
to have problems. I had never fixed anything like this before 
nor did I do any plumbing at all but I enjoyed fixing this problem
and it came out pretty well. Long story short the putty started 
to dissolve over time and caused the strainer to come out of place, 
making a bad leak. I managed to fix it last night but today I 
noticed how my kitchen sink faucet handle was not stopping at 
its normal stopping point when I wanted to turn the cold water 
off. As a result my sink was leaking from where the water comes 
out of. I turned off the cold water from under the sink and looked 
up a few guides to check the faucet handle and it all resulted in me 
removing a screw that seemed to be chipped when i unscrewed it from
 the handle to see what was wrong with it. I could never remove the
  handle even with the chipped and I forced it and it broke 
  somehow. All I'm trying to know is what exactly am I dealing with 
  here in hould be able to wiggle the white plastic stem and pull it 
  up out of there with pliers. Once you take it out you should be 
  able to figure out what type of faucet it is and get another stem if

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Subject: [IPP] JPS3: subscription-uuid vs. notify-subscription-uuid?
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All,

As I finish up my IPPINTRA prototype, I noticed that we (I) defined the UUID for subscriptions as "subscription-uuid" instead of "notify-subscription-uuid".  The corresponding integer subscription ID is "notify-subscription-id", so it would make more sense for us to use "notify-subscription-uuid".

I also checked and (for some reason) I never implemented subscription-uuid in CUPS...

Any objections to changing the registration to be "notify-subscription-uuid"?

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Hi Mike,

I favor the name change.  Consistency in names of similar attributes
is important.

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> As I finish up my IPPINTRA prototype, I noticed that we (I) defined the
> UUID for subscriptions as "subscription-uuid" instead of
> "notify-subscription-uuid".  The corresponding integer subscription ID is
> "notify-subscription-id", so it would make more sense for us to use
> "notify-subscription-uuid".
>
> I also checked and (for some reason) I never implemented subscription-uuid
> in CUPS...
>
> Any objections to changing the registration to be
> "notify-subscription-uuid"?
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
> _______________________________________________
> ipp mailing list
> ipp@pwg.org
> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Mike,<br><br></div>I favor the name=
 change.=C2=A0 Consistency in names of similar attributes<br></div>is impor=
tant.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Sof=
tware Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair -=
 Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working=
 Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF De=
signated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc=
<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/=
blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/s=
ite/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthi=
nc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline=
, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand =
Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></=
div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div=
><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Michael Sw=
eet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">All,<br>
<br>
As I finish up my IPPINTRA prototype, I noticed that we (I) defined the UUI=
D for subscriptions as &quot;subscription-uuid&quot; instead of &quot;notif=
y-subscription-uuid&quot;.=C2=A0 The corresponding integer subscription ID =
is &quot;notify-subscription-id&quot;, so it would make more sense for us t=
o use &quot;notify-subscription-uuid&quot;.<br>
<br>
I also checked and (for some reason) I never implemented subscription-uuid =
in CUPS...<br>
<br>
Any objections to changing the registration to be &quot;notify-subscription=
-uuid&quot;?<br>
<br>
_________________________________________________________<br>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</a><br>
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[Issue Unconfirmed]

Regarding the xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords for
printer-state-reasons, we need to remove the "-error" to conform for the
RFC 2911 rules for printer-state-reasons values (-error means the printer
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[Issue Unconfirmed]

The 'sha' value for "job-password-encryption" was never defined. It should
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[Issue Unconfirmed]

The 'sha' value for "job-password-encryption" was never defined. It should
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[Issue Unconfirmed]

The "media-col-database" attribute needs to allow for rangeOfInteger values
for trays that accept variable size media, such as rolls (y-dimension is
rangeOfInteger) and manual feed trays that accept custom media sizes
(x-dimension and y-dimension are rangeOfInteger).

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[Issue Unconfirmed]

Table 4 and 5 reference RFC 3995 for the Get-Notifications operation, but
it is defined in RFC 3996.

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[Issue Unconfirmed]

The TLS requirements in section 10 incorrectly specify required cipher
suites. The TLS specs already do this satisfactorily and handle
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[Issue Unconfirmed]

The abstract says "this standard" but it should say "this specification" or
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[Issue Unconfirmed]

It is apparently not clear that phone lines are considered a secure
communication medium.

Link: http://www.pwg.org/issues/22

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Hello,

Our next JDFMAP special call will be on Monday 15 September at
7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US EDT / 16:30-17:30 CEST

Rainer - please use the primary or backup *toll numbers* below:

Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
Attendee Access Code: *******#
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx
- instead use the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!

Topic: JDFMAP Discussions
Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 21, 2014 to no end date
Time: 10:30 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 683 505 355
Meeting Password: Printing123

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Meeting information
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1. Go to
https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=me80ad87529b4ae33f134c1fb19354cd1

2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join".

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For assistance
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1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- volunteer as minute taker?

(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT Mapping
- continue review at PJT PresentationDirectionNumberUp

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140908-rev.pdf
  - PDF of revisions with line numbers

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140908-rev.docx
  - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers

Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
*in*
*the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!

(3) Next steps
- JDFMAP special call on Monday 22 September
- JDFMAP special calls in October - TBD - need schedule

Cheers,
- Ira and Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)

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ze:small">1. Go to=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-=
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ze:small">2. On the left navigation bar, click &quot;Support&quot;. </span>=
<br><br>Agenda:<br><br>(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker<br></div><div>


- volunteer as minute taker?<br>
<br></div><div>(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 <span>JDF</span> to PWG PJT =
Mapping<br></div><div>- continue review at PJT PresentationDirectionNumberU=
p<br><br>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-201409=
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<div>


<br></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer - *pl=
ease* ONLY do updates with &quot;Track Changes&quot; enabled <b>in<br></b><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>the MS =
Word source</b> (</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">wit=
h a changed date suffix in filename and <br>


cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick &amp; Ira - thank you!</sp=
an></div><br></div><div>(3) Next steps<br></div><div><span></span></div><di=
v><span></span><span></span>
- <span>JDFMAP</span> special call on Monday 22 September<span></span><br><=
/div><div>- JDFMAP special calls in October - TBD - need schedule<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>
Cheers,<br></div>- Ira and Rick (co-editors of <span>JDFMAP</span> spec)<di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"di=
splay:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div></div><div></d=
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5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me I girded thee, though thou hast not known me
14 And they sware unto the LORD with a loud voice, and with shouting, and with trumpets, and with cornets.
1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God
31 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
4 And one went in, and told his lord, saying, Thus and thus said the maid that is of the land of Israel.
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11 So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.
16 Also the children of Noph and Tahapanes have broken the crown of thy head.
7 And thou shalt offer peace offerings, and shalt eat there, and rejoice before the LORD thy God.
8 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that he might know your estate, and comfort your hearts
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
38  The sons of Benjamin after their families of Bela, the family of the Belaites of Ashbel, the family of the Ashbelites of Ahiram, the family of the Ahiramites
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
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Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and Agenda Review
 - Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140825.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike)
* IPP Scan from PWG Last Call (Pete Zehler)
 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140806.pdf
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP-Scan-Comments-20140901.pdf
-- Stable draft
-- PWG Last Call (ended 07/21/14)
-- reviewed technical comments at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3 2014

* IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira)
- <http://goog_2065877433>
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-13-20140703.pdf
-- Stable draft - need to revise boilerplate - see below
-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1
-- send to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)

* LDAP Printer Schema (Ira)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp
/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-08-20140703.pdf
-- Stable draft - need to revise boilerplate - see below
-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1
-- send to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)

* IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification (SELFCERT) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-rev.pdf
 -- Prototype draft - waiting for prototype and beta test reports
-- reviewed by IPP WG on 08/25
-- beta tools released on 08/28 (OS X/Linux) and 09/02 (Windows)
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (INFRA) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports
-- reviewed at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0 (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports
-- reviewed at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q3/Q4 2014

(4) Status of IPP Finishings/2.0 (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701-rev.pdf
 -- Prototoype draft - prototype report on 06/19
-- IPP WG last call - completed on 09/12 - quorum achieved
-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3/Q4 2014

(5) Review of IPP WG Charter (Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf
-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25

(6) Review of IPP Deprecation Process (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf
-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25
-- for implementation in IANA IPP registry (see Mike's email)

(7) Review of IPP System Control Service (Mike/Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20140824-rev.pdf
-- Interim draft w/ complete operations and attributes lists (see change
log)

(8) Next steps
 - IPP WG call on Monday 29 September
- IPP WG call on Monday 13 October

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
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an></span></span></span>:<br>

(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and Agenda Review<br>





</div><div>
- Mike as minute taker?<br>


</div><div><br>(2) Approve <span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>=
<span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> mi=
nutes from previous meetings<br>




</div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-2=
0140825.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2=
-concall-minutes-20140825.pdf</a><br>
<div>
<br></div><div>(3) Status of various <span><span><span><span><span>IPP</spa=
n></span></span></span></span> documents (Ira/Mike)<br><div>* <span>IPP</sp=
an> Scan from PWG Last Call (Pete Zehler)<br>

</div><div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140806.pdf" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140806.pd=
f</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>- </span>
<a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP-Scan-Comments-20140901.pdf=
" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP-Scan-Comments-201=
40901.pdf</a>=C2=A0 <br></div><div>-- Stable draft<br>

-- PWG Last Call (ended 07/21/14)<br>-- reviewed technical comments at PWG =
F2F in August<br></div>-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3 2014<br><br><span>*=
 IETF <span><span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span> =
over HTTPS Binding and &#39;ipps&#39; URI Scheme</span> (Ira)



<div>- <a href=3D"http://goog_2065877433" target=3D"_blank"><span></span></=
a><a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-sche=
me-13-20140703.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/dra=
ft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-13-20140703.pdf</a>
</div><span></span><div>
-- <span></span><span>Stable draft</span> - need to revise boilerplate - se=
e below<br>-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1<br></div>-- send to=
 RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)<br><br>* LDAP Printer Sch=
ema (Ira)<br>




<div>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-prin=
ter-schema-08-20140703.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<sp=
an>ipp</span>/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-08-20140703.pdf</a>



</div><div>

-- <span></span><span>Stable draft</span> - need to revise boilerplate - se=
e below</div><div>-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1<br></div>-- =
send to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)<br><br><div>* <spa=
n><span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span> Everywhere=
 Printer Self-Certification (SELFCERT) (Mike)<br>




- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140826=
-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveself=
cert10-20140826-rev.pdf</a><span></span><br></div><div>

</div>
-- Prototype draft - waiting for prototype and beta test reports<br></div><=
div>-- reviewed by IPP WG on 08/25<br></div><div>-- beta tools released on =
08/28 (OS X/Linux) and 09/02 (Windows)<br>-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 20=
14<br>

<br><div>* <span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span> Shared I=
nfrastructure Extensions (INFRA) (Mike)<br>



- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf=
" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-=
rev.pdf</a><br>

-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports<br><div>-- reviewed at =
PWG F2F in August</div>-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014</div><div></div>=
<div><br></div><div><div>* <span><span>IPP</span></span> Implementor&#39;s =
Guide v2.0 (Smith)<br><div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-rev.pdf"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-re=
v.pdf</a><br>-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports<br>-- revi=
ewed at PWG F2F in August<br>



-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q3/Q4 2014</div><br></div><div>(4) Status of <s=
pan><span>IPP</span></span> Finishings/2.0 (Mike)<br>
- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701-r=
ev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<span>ipp</span>/wd/wd-=
ippfinishings20-20140701-rev.pdf</a><br>





<div>
-- Prototoype draft - prototype report on 06/19<br></div><div>-- <span>IPP<=
/span> WG last call - completed on 09/12 - quorum achieved<br></div><div>--=
 schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3/Q4 2014</div></div><br><div></div><div>(5) R=
eview of IPP WG Charter (Ira)<br></div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org=
/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://f=
tp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf</a><br>
</div><div>-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25<br><br></div><div>(6) Revi=
ew of IPP Deprecation Process (Mike)<br></div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.=
pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf">http://ftp.p=
wg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf</a><br></div><=
div>-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25<br>
</div><div>-- for implementation in IANA IPP registry (see Mike&#39;s email=
)<br><br></div><div>(7) Review of IPP System Control Service (Mike/Ira)<br>=
</div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20=
140824-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipps=
ystem10-20140824-rev.pdf</a><br>
</div><div>-- Interim draft w/ complete operations and attributes lists (se=
e change log)<br></div><div><br></div>(8) Next steps<span><span></span></sp=
an></div>
</div><div><span></span></div><div><span></span>
</div><div><span></span></div><div><span></span><span></span><span></span><=
/div><div><span></span></div><span></span>- <span>IPP</span> WG call on Mon=
day 29 September <div><div dir=3D"ltr">- <span>IPP</span> WG call on Monday=
 13 October<br><br>Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mo=
bility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secreta=
ry - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet P=
rinting Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Bl=
ue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D=
"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites=
.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" hre=
f=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://si=
tes.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofm=
usic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=
=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summe=
r=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><=
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Hi,

Based on review during the IPP WG call on 25 August 2014, I have posted a
new draft of the IPP WG Charter:

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914.pdf / doc
- clean version w/ line numbers

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf / doc
- redline version w/ line numbers

Change Log (14 September 2014)

(1) Changed status from "Initial Draft" to "Interim Draft".
(2) Revised text of Problem Statement and list of current IPP projects
     (including errata updates) per IPP WG call on 08/25.
(3) Revised Objectives to include IETF and PWG SNMP MIBs per
     per IPP WG call on 08/25.
(4) Revised Milestones dates and list of current IPP projects (including
     errata updates) per IPP WG call on 08/25.
(5) Changed tentative name of "IPP 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2" (multifunction) to
     be IPP Everywhere Multifunction v1.0 (EVEMFD) per IPP WG call
     on 08/25 and PWG Steering Committee on 09/11.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D""><span class=3D"">to <span dir=3D"ltr" name=
=3D"ipp" class=3D"">ipp</span> </span></div><div class=3D""><img class=3D""=
 id=3D":1kj" src=3D"https://mail.google.com/mail/images/cleardot.gif" alt=
=3D""></div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,</div><div>
</div><div><br></div>Based on review during the IPP WG call on 25 August 20=
14, I have <span>posted</span> a new draft of the <span><span>IPP</span></s=
pan> WG <span><span><span class=3D"">Charter</span></span></span>:<br>
</div>
<br></div><a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140=
914.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter=
-20140914.pdf</a> / doc<br></div>- clean version w/ line numbers<br><br><a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf" =
target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914=
-rev.pdf</a> / doc<br>



- redline version w/ line numbers<br><br></div>Change Log (14 September 201=
4)<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>(1) Changed status from &quot;Initia=
l Draft&quot; to &quot;Interim Draft&quot;.<br></div><div>(2) Revised text =
of Problem Statement and list of current <span><span>IPP</span></span> proj=
ects<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (including errata updates) per IPP WG call on 08/2=
5.<br></div><div>(3) Revised Objectives to include IETF and PWG SNMP MIBs p=
er<br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 per IPP WG call on 08/25.<br></di=
v><div>(4) Revised Milestones dates and list of current <span><span>IPP</sp=
an></span> projects (including<br>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 errata updates) per IPP WG call on 08/25.<br>=
</div><div>(5) Changed tentative name of &quot;IPP 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2&quot; =
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All,

I was going through RFC 3995 and noticed the "notify-status-code" attribute is defined as a type2 enum.  But in IPPINFRA I defined the "fetch-status-code" attribute as an integer instead.

Per RFC 2911 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2911#section-4.1.4), the enum type only allows for values from 1 to 2^31-1 (MAX), but this poses a problem for status codes since they start at 0 (for 'successful-ok').

RFC 3995 gets around the 'successful-ok' problem by only returning the "notify-status-code" attribute if the result is not 'successful-ok'.

If I update the "fetch-status-code" attribute to be a type2 enum, I'll need to apply the same logic (only send "fetch-status-code" if it isn't 'successful-ok').  That would be consistent with RFC 3995, if perhaps a little obscure.

Thoughts?

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Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and Agenda Review
 - Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140825.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike)
* IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira)
- <http://goog_2065877433>
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-13-20140703.pdf
-- Stable draft - need to revise boilerplate - see below
-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1
-- send to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)

* LDAP Printer Schema (Ira)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp
/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-08-20140703.pdf
-- Stable draft - need to revise boilerplate - see below
-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1
-- send to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)

* IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification (SELFCERT) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-rev.pdf
 -- Prototype draft - waiting for prototype and beta test reports
-- reviewed by IPP WG on 08/25
-- beta tools released on 08/28 (OS X/Linux) and 09/02 (Windows)
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (INFRA) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports
-- reviewed at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0 (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports
-- reviewed at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q3/Q4 2014

(4) Reporting Loaded Custom Media Sizes (Lee Hills, Xerox)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/018185.html
-- material for IPP Implementor's Guide v2?

(5) Status of IPP Finishings/2.0 (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701-rev.pdf
 -- Prototoype draft - prototype report on 06/19
-- PWG Last Call (ended 09/12/14) - quorum achieved - 80+ comments
-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3/Q4 2014

(6) Review of IPP Scan (Pete Zehler)
 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140806.pdf
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP-Scan-Comments-20140901.pdf
-- Stable draft - IPP WG should review final changes
-- PWG Last Call (ended 07/21/14)
-- reviewed technical comments at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3 2014

(7) Review of IPP WG Charter (Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf
-- Interim draft - IPP WG should review new changes
-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25

(8) Review of IPP Deprecation Process (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf
-- Interim draft - IPP WG should review new changes
-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25
-- for implementation in IANA IPP registry (see Mike's email)

(9) Review of IPP System Control Service (Mike/Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20140824-rev.pdf
-- Interim draft - complete operations and attributes lists (see change log)

(10) Next steps
 - IPP WG call on Monday 29 September
- IPP WG call on Monday 13 October

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

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- Mike as minute taker?<br>


</div><div><br>(2) Approve <span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>=
<span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> mi=
nutes from previous meetings<br>




</div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-2=
0140825.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2=
-concall-minutes-20140825.pdf</a><br>
<div>
<br></div><div>(3) Status of various <span><span><span><span><span>IPP</spa=
n></span></span></span></span> documents (Ira/Mike)<br><span>* IETF <span><=
span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span> over HTTPS Bi=
nding and &#39;ipps&#39; URI Scheme</span> (Ira)



<div>- <a href=3D"http://goog_2065877433" target=3D"_blank"><span></span></=
a><a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-sche=
me-13-20140703.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/dra=
ft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-13-20140703.pdf</a>
</div><span></span><div>
-- <span></span><span>Stable draft</span> - need to revise boilerplate - se=
e below<br>-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1<br></div>-- send to=
 RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)<br><br>* LDAP Printer Sch=
ema (Ira)<br>




<div>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-prin=
ter-schema-08-20140703.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<sp=
an>ipp</span>/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-08-20140703.pdf</a>



</div><div>

-- <span></span><span>Stable draft</span> - need to revise boilerplate - se=
e below</div><div>-- updated references including new HTTP/1.1<br></div>-- =
send to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)<br><br><div>* <spa=
n><span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span> Everywhere=
 Printer Self-Certification (SELFCERT) (Mike)<br>




- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140826=
-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveself=
cert10-20140826-rev.pdf</a><span></span><br></div><div>

</div>
-- Prototype draft - waiting for prototype and beta test reports<br></div><=
div>-- reviewed by IPP WG on 08/25<br></div><div>-- beta tools released on =
08/28 (OS X/Linux) and 09/02 (Windows)<br>-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 20=
14<br>

<br><div>* <span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span> Shared I=
nfrastructure Extensions (INFRA) (Mike)<br>



- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf=
" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-=
rev.pdf</a><br>

-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports<br><div>-- reviewed at =
PWG F2F in August</div>-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014</div><div><br></=
div><div><div>* <span><span>IPP</span></span> Implementor&#39;s Guide v2.0 =
(Smith)<br><div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-rev.pdf"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-re=
v.pdf</a><br>-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports<br>-- revi=
ewed at PWG F2F in August<br>



-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q3/Q4 2014</div><br><div>(4) Reporting Loaded C=
ustom Media Sizes (Lee Hills, Xerox)<br>- <a href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/arc=
hives/ipp/2014/018185.html">http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/018185.htm=
l</a><br></div>-- material for IPP Implementor&#39;s Guide v2?</div><div><b=
r>(5) Status of <span><span>IPP</span></span> Finishings/2.0 (Mike)<br>
- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701-r=
ev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<span>ipp</span>/wd/wd-=
ippfinishings20-20140701-rev.pdf</a><br>





<div>
-- Prototoype draft - prototype report on 06/19<br></div><div>-- <span>PWG<=
/span> Last Call (ended 09/12/14) - quorum achieved - 80+ comments<br></div=
><div>-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3/Q4 2014</div><br>(6) <span>Review of=
 IPP</span> Scan (Pete Zehler)<br>

<div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140806.pdf" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140806.pd=
f</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>- </span>
<a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP-Scan-Comments-20140901.pdf=
" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP-Scan-Comments-201=
40901.pdf</a>=C2=A0 <br></div><div>-- Stable draft - IPP WG should review f=
inal changes<br>

-- PWG Last Call (ended 07/21/14)<br>-- reviewed technical comments at PWG =
F2F in August<br></div>-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q3 2014<br><br></div><=
div></div><div>(7) Review of IPP WG Charter (Ira)<br></div><div>- <a href=
=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev.pdf" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140914-rev=
.pdf</a><br>
</div><div>-- Interim draft - IPP WG should review new changes<br></div><di=
v>-- updated per IPP WG review on 08/25<br><br></div><div>(8) Review of IPP=
 Deprecation Process (Mike)<br></div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/p=
ub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-deprecation-policy-20140826.pdf</a><b=
r>-- Interim draft - IPP WG should review new changes<br></div><div>-- upda=
ted per IPP WG review on 08/25<br>
</div><div>-- for implementation in IANA IPP registry (see Mike&#39;s email=
)<br><br></div><div>(9) Review of IPP System Control Service (Mike/Ira)<br>=
</div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20=
140824-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipps=
ystem10-20140824-rev.pdf</a><br>
</div><div>-- Interim draft - complete operations and attributes lists (see=
 change log)<br></div><div><br></div>(10) Next steps<span><span></span></sp=
an></div>
</div><div><span></span></div><div><span></span>
</div><div><span></span></div><div><span></span><span></span><span></span><=
/div><div><span></span></div><span></span>- <span>IPP</span> WG call on Mon=
day 29 September <div dir=3D"ltr">- <span>IPP</span> WG call on Monday 13 O=
ctober<br><br>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira M=
cDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility =
Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IE=
EE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing=
 Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof=
 Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http:/=
/sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google=
.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"ht=
tp://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.goo=
gle.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 =
Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 =
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div styl=
e=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=
=3D"display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div=
></div>
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Sept. 15, 2014 (7:30 - 8:30 AM PDT / 10:30 - 11:30 AM EDT / 16:30 - 17:30 CEST)

Attendees:
---------------

Paul Tykodi (TCS)
Ira McDonald (High North)
Rainer Prosi (Heidelberg/JDF)
Rick Yardumian (Canon)
Daniel Manchala (Xerox)

Start the meeting with PWG mapping element: PresentationDirectionNumberUp
(that maps to JDF element LayoutPreparationParams/@PresentationDirection)

End the meeting with PWG mapping element: TemplateType

Next meeting: Sept. 22, 2014 (7:30 - 8:30 AM PDT / 10:30 - 11:30 AM EDT / 16:30 - 17:30 CEST)
We will resume the meeting at the PWG mapping element: XImagePosition.

Ira McDonald will post the revised document at the PWG site.

Daniel.



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Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:31 PM
To: Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list; ipp@pwg.org; Rainer Prosi; Rick Yardumian; Ira McDonald
Subject: [SM3] JDFMAP call - 10:30am US Eastern 15 September 2014

Hello,

Our next JDFMAP special call will be on Monday 15 September at
7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US EDT / 16:30-17:30 CEST

Rainer - please use the primary or backup *toll numbers* below:

Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
Attendee Access Code: *******#
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx
- instead use the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!

Topic: JDFMAP Discussions
Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 21, 2014 to no end date
Time: 10:30 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 683 505 355
Meeting Password: Printing123

-------------------------------------------------------
Meeting information
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to
https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=me80ad87529b4ae33f134c1fb19354cd1

2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join".

-------------------------------------------------------
For assistance
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- volunteer as minute taker?

(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT Mapping
- continue review at PJT PresentationDirectionNumberUp

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140908-rev.pdf
  - PDF of revisions with line numbers

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140908-rev.docx
  - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers

Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
*in*
*the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!

(3) Next steps
- JDFMAP special call on Monday 22 September
- JDFMAP special calls in October - TBD - need schedule

Cheers,
- Ira and Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)
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(US Health Awareness)
---------------------------
(Release)
Recent accredited studies shows a common type of milk can cause as much damage to your body as smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day.

CD : http://www.partbed.com/CDC-1/release/september/45373345.html


| This milk is common please understand the risks |


===========
Other food risks determined: http://www.partbed.com/CDC-1/release/september/45373345.html
===========



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---
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Other: BREAKING: West Nile Virus found in Worcester

----
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According to press release, the state Department of Public Health confirmed the mosquitoes tested positive for the dangerous virus. No human cases have been reported in the city or in surrounding communities this year, but according to the press release, detection of positive mosquitoes "elevates the concern that human cases of West Nile Virus can occur.

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(US Health Awareness)
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(Release)
Recent accredited studies shows a common type of milk can cause as much damage to your body as smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day.

CD : http://www.partbed.com/CDC-1/release/september/45373345.html


| This milk is common please understand the risks |


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40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 52 Mine enemies chased me sore, like a bird, without cause. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 6 Yea, thou shalt see thy childrens children, and peace upon Israel.
PSALM 94 19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. 1 And Joseph fell upon his fathers face, and wept upon him, and kissed him. 25 Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Gad, were forty and five thousand six hundred and fifty.
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36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. 6 And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb. 9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
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20 Put them in fear, O LORD that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.
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15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other mens matters.
22 Behold, God exalteth by his power who teacheth like him?
15 Then Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard carried away captive certain of the poor of the people, and the residue of the people that remained in the city, and those that fell away, that fell to the king of Babylon, and the rest of the multitude.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself and they enter in, and dwell there and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee I have given my maid into thy bosom and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes the LORD judge between me and thee.
6 The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and twelve.
5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.
1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
10 Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm.
29  And they came unto Jacob their father unto the land of Canaan, and told him all that befell unto them saying,
13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
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3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
19 Then Uzziah was wroth, and had a censer in his hand to burn incense and while he was wroth with the priests, the leprosy even rose up in his forehead before the priests in the house of the LORD, from beside the incense altar.
20 But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?
6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
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TGI Services- 1324 Swan Dr-Bartlesville, OK seven four zero zero six 
  did say that I had an mri, but the mri showed nothing. However, I didn't specify on what type of spine specialist I was seeing. He isn't a chiropractor. He is a spine specialist MD. However, I can't afford to have all these operations. I grew up on my own as a foster child and am on my own now paying my way through college. I don't have insurance. I'm constantly broke. I'm lucky I have him to help me for free, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing is changing and that I'm running out of options. Thank you so much for your help, but I don't have much choice but to try to fix this on my own. I just wish I knew what the problem was that I'm trying to fix.You need to know exactly what is going on with your spine, first, then work with the doctors and clinics to get the proper treatment.
Something is obviously going on , with you loosing the ability to walk, and obvious nerve impingement symptoms need to be evaluated and treated. And spinal stenosis or foraminal stenosis can be congenital and may be what is going on but you need the proper imaging and then treatment by the right doctors to find out for certain.

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TGI Services- 1324 Swan Dr-Bartlesville, OK seven four zero zero six 
  did say that I had an mri, but the mri showed nothing. However, I didn't specify on what type of spine specialist I was seeing. He isn't a chiropractor. He is a spine specialist MD. However, I can't afford to have all these operations. I grew up on my own as a foster child and am on my own now paying my way through college. I don't have insurance. I'm constantly broke. I'm lucky I have him to help me for free, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing is changing and that I'm running out of options. Thank you so much for your help, but I don't have much choice but to try to fix this on my own. I just wish I knew what the problem was that I'm trying to fix.You need to know exactly what is going on with your spine, first, then work with the doctors and clinics to get the proper treatment.
Something is obviously going on , with you loosing the ability to walk, and obvious nerve impingement symptoms need to be evaluated and treated. And spinal stenosis or foraminal stenosis can be congenital and may be what is going on but you need the proper imaging and then treatment by the right doctors to find out for certain.

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All,

I have posted the minutes from today's IPP WG conference call to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140915.pdf

Our next conference call is September 29, 2014 at 3pm ET.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea 14 And thou shalt not only while yet I live shew me the kindness of the LORD, that I die not 56 But the fields of the city, and the villages thereof, they gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh. 26 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
11 My days are past, my purposes are broken off, even the thoughts of my heart. 16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Sauls daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD and she despised him in her heart. 7 And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
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13 Then they hasted, and took every man his garment, and put it under him on the top of the stairs, and blew with trumpets, saying, Jehu is king. 40 So stood the two companies of them that gave thanks in the house of God, and I, and the half of the rulers with me 9 And they shall take a cloth of blue, and cover the candlestick of the light, and his lamps, and his tongs, and his snuffdishes, and all the oil vessels thereof, wherewith they minister unto it CHAPTER 7
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1 And the Ziphites came unto Saul to Gibeah, saying, Doth not David hide himself in the hill of Hachilah, which is before Jeshimon? 18 And they arose out of Midian, and came to Paran and they took men with them out of Paran, and they came to Egypt, unto Pharaoh king of Egypt which gave him an house, and appointed him victuals, and gave him land. 10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant 10 Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him because that for this thing the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.
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 ts, and do them that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. 1 And it came to pass, when Rehoboam had established the kingdom, and had strengthened himself, he forsook the law of the LORD, and all Israel with him. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes. 2 Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in and ye shall give also unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them. 4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the kings palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the
  Chaldeans. 13  Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them. 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein he left none remaining as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 9 Go now to the flock, and fetch me from thence two good kids of the goats and I will make them savoury meat for thy father, such as he loveth 17  Then went Solomon to Eziongeber, and to Eloth, at the sea side in the land of Edom. 34  And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 43 And within were hooks, a
 n hand broad, fastened round about and upon the tables was the flesh of the offering. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 17 And the man said, They are departed hence for I heard them say, Let us go to Dothan. And Joseph went after his brethren, and found them in Dothan. 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not I will help thee. </font>
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All,

I have posted an updated IPP IANA Registry Policy document (formerly just the deprecation/obsoletion policy, but we needed to address Type 3 registrations...) to:

    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-registry-policy-20140915.docx
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-registry-policy-20140915.pdf

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Subject: [IPP] Wi-Fi Peer-to-Peer Services technical specifications now publicly available
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All,

The Wi-Fi Alliance "launched" the Wi-Fi Peer-to-Peer Services program and technical specifications last night, so they are now available (for purchase, unfortunately) from the Wi-Fi Alliance web site at:

    https://www.wi-fi.org/wi-fi-peer-to-peer-services-technical-specification-package-v11

Among other things, these technical specifications define how you do (IPP) printing over Wi-Fi Direct.

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The November 2014 PWG face-to-face meeting page is now available. The =
agenda and venue information can be found at:

  http://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/november_2014_waltham.html

This page will be updated with document links as the material becomes =
available.

Please visit the November 2014 survey page PRIOR TO October 31, 2014 and =
indicate whether you plan to participate:

  https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HDNCLX7

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number will be provided. The details of the conference call are:

Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570

Attendee access code: Please request from the PWG Chair (chair@pwg.org) =
if you need it.

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Milk Worse than Smoking?

Dear Ipp-archive,
 
Did you know that according to a study from an esteemed medical school, some types of milk are now connected to cancer and could cause as much damage to your health as smoking four packs of cigarettes a day?
 
Think about that
 
Smoking four packs a day is almost certain to lead to an early death,
but according to the latest research, a certain type of milk could be even worse.
 
Yet Id bet not one in 1,000 people knows what type of milk it is.
 
Theres a good chance this milk may be in your fridge right now.
 
It was in mine, too. Until I came across the research you're about to see.


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I have a porcelain suger bowl which broke and that I want to fix. It's cracked pretty much down the middle into two halves. When pressed together they fit very well and the crack is barely visible, so I figure it should be easy to glue it together. However, I don't know which glue to use.

I have three kinds of glue at home: 
A quick/"super" glue (Loctite super glue precision), a 2-component epoxy (Loctite power epoxy) and a paste glue (a local brand, transparent and supposedly strong).

I don't really know much about the differences of different kinds of glue, so which one would you recommend? In my experience, plain old white school glue is great for porcelain and ceramic type stuff. I've tried super glue, and it just sort of beads up on the surface - like it absorbs the top layer of the ceramic and peels it off like chalk. The white school glue seems to absorb in better (maybe because it is more liquid) and seems to bond with the ceramic better. Not sure if I would trust your sugar bowl in water (washing) after fixing it, but it should be fine for dry applications. Then maybe if you need to wash it, hand wash very carefully? Or maybe once the glue has dried, coat the whole piece in a clear sealer of some type?Third, decide what you want to make it of - clay? beads? stone? wire? glass? a combination?
Then you get to decide what you want to make. And make it. 

It all depends on what materials you want to use as to how to make the pendant. If you want to use beads/stones, then you could use wire to form the shape you want or to make a "cage" around a larger stone to hold it. You could use metallic thread to maI've had to devise a method to hang these on the wall using the heavy steel wire I use for the cast-stone. I loosely embedded the wire into the clay in the back so it can move but is mechanically "locked in", hopefully my idea worked.
I normally fire at cone 1 with a slight offset to get the red color I want: 2060 degrees, and my current 26-1/2 hour cycle for these pieces has worked well.er perfect lion was also on the same shelf and directly next to the 4 defective plaques, so this rules out a kiln/atmosphere issue as far as I'm concerned and points more towards a problem with the particular box of clay these came from.
I don't remember now, but it's likely these came from two different boxes of clay and since I just rec'd 1000# of it and started using it, and I had no problems of this nature previously- then the opened box I had on hand likely was finished off to make the two lions that came out perfectly, and I opened a new box to make the rest.

The lions take 10-1/2" of clay each, so a 50# box only makes 4 of them.

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Episode 601 Recap: " Drop 14 LBS in 14 Days"
September 16, 2014
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We are changing the way women look at weight-loss. 

>From this point on, deciding to make a change is going 
to be exciting not dreadful. 


Oz is talking about how a fellow TV host drop 25 lbs in 4 weeks. 
Rachael beat the buldge w/out changing her daily routine. 


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I am trying to tighten the calving period. At the moment bulls run for 6 months with spring calves and 6 months with autumn. Finally got father persuaded to take them away from cows at 17 weeks so will have small gap. 
I reckon that when bulls are with cows all the time they get bored whereas if they had say 9 weeks on 17 off for each herd, they in the off spell they would recover condition easier and physic themselves for getting with back to the cows. 
Any thoughts/comments appreciatedIt's possible, they wouldn't have survived as far as domestication if they had bred all year round. Cattle are naturally seasonal breeders and bulls are meant to work hard for a short period in order for the young to be born in vast numbers so that predators couldn't possibly eat all the young. 

Since long breeding periods aren't what they have evolved to do, there may be a drop in libido or loss of interest when in an unnatural system.Taking the bull out would make calving management easier even if it does nothing beneficial for the bull. How tight is your calving now? Leaving the bull 6 months with one group then 6 months with the other are not at risk of ending up with all year round calving with spring and autumn spikes? At what point do you decide that a late calver needs to move to the other group?

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Hi,


*Our next special SM WG call for JDFMAP will be Monday 22 September.*

I completed updated the mapping in the JDFMAP spec per Rainer
Prosi's comments during our special SM WG call on Monday 15
September.

I have just posted a new draft of JDFMAP:

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-rev.pdf
  - PDF of revisions with line numbers

  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-rev.docx
  - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers

Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
*in*
*the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
cover page) but *not in the PDF*, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!

This document is for review in future special SM WG telecons
(currently scheduled for September 22 and October TBD).

Cheers,
- Ira

-------------------------------
Change History

16 September 2014 =E2=80=93 JDFMAP update by SM WG and Rainer Prosi

* September 2014 - ninth draft in SM WG
- Kept status as Interim draft
- Reviewed and accepted changes to Abstract and Introduction
- Numbered section 3.3 Out-of-scope and section 3.4 Design Requirements
lists
- Continued review of mapping table =E2=80=93 stopped at TemplateType
- Reviewed and added comments to PresentationDirectionNumberUp,
PrintColorMode, PrintContentOptimize, PrintRenderingIntent,
ProofPrint.Media, and ProofPrint.MediaCol
- Added updates and deleted old comments in sections 4.1.x (detailed
mappings)
- Resume next review at XImagePosition

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all for <span><span>JDFMAP</span></span> will be Monday 22 <br>September.</=
b></div><div><br>I completed updated the mapping in the <span><span>JDFMAP<=
/span></span> spec per Rainer <br>Prosi&#39;s comments during our special S=
M WG call on Monday 15 <br>September.<br>

</div><div><br></div>I have just <span><span>posted</span></span> a new dra=
ft of <span><span>JDFMAP</span></span>:<br>
</div><br>=C2=A0 <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-=
20140916-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smj=
dfmap10-20140916-rev.pdf</a><br></div><div>=C2=A0 - PDF of revisions with l=
ine numbers<br>



<br>=C2=A0  <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140=
916-rev.docx" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfma=
p10-20140916-rev.docx</a><br>=C2=A0 - MS Word source of revisions with line=
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<br></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer - *pl=
ease* ONLY do updates with &quot;Track Changes&quot; enabled <b>in<br></b><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>the MS =
Word source</b> (with a changed date suffix in filename and <br>


cover page) but <b>not in the PDF</b>, and send to Rick &amp; Ira - thank y=
ou!</span><br><br></div>
<div>This document is for review in future special SM WG telecons<br></div>=
<div>(currently scheduled for September 22 and October TBD).<br></div><div>=
=C2=A0<br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>------------=
-------------------<br>
</div>Change History<br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>16 September 2014 =E2=80=
=93 JDFMAP update by SM WG and Rainer Prosi<br><br>* September 2014 - ninth=
 draft in SM WG<br>- Kept status as Interim draft<br>- Reviewed and accepte=
d changes to Abstract and Introduction<br>- Numbered section 3.3 Out-of-sco=
pe and section 3.4 Design Requirements lists<br>- Continued review of mappi=
ng table =E2=80=93 stopped at TemplateType<br>- Reviewed and added comments=
 to PresentationDirectionNumberUp, PrintColorMode, PrintContentOptimize, Pr=
intRenderingIntent, ProofPrint.Media, and ProofPrint.MediaCol<br>- Added up=
dates and deleted old comments in sections 4.1.x (detailed mappings)<br>- R=
esume next review at XImagePosition<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></=
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Hi,

At today's Open Printing call, Till Kamppeter wondered if it would
be possible to get PWG logo certification for an IPP Everywhere
spooler (on a server or a printer dongle - not a hardcopy printer).

Mike - is this feasible (without too much ripping up the test suite)?

All - does this sound like a good idea?

Cheers,
- Ira (here wearing my Open Printing hat)


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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From: "Manchala, Daniel" <Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com>
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Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) Item 3. says:


* Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.


This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is required.


However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris says:


* Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this attribute.


This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optional.


Again, Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:


* Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.


This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optional.


Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and SHOULD sup=
port Push Scan" in an older version of the document (20140725), but the cur=
rent version does not mention that.


Can you clarify this?


Thanks,

Daniel.


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 Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.</span></=
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<font face=3D"Cambria" size=3D"3"><br>
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;"></span></font></p>
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<font face=3D"Cambria" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; line-heig=
ht: 115%;">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan i=
s optional.</span></font></p>
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<font face=3D"Cambria"><br>
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<font face=3D"Cambria" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; line-heig=
ht: 115%;">Section 11.1 mentioned &quot;Scan Services MUST support Pull Sca=
n and SHOULD support Push Scan&quot; in an older version of the document (2=
0140725), but the current version does not mention
 that.<br>
</span></font></p>
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<br>
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ht: 115%;"></span></font></p>
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<font face=3D"Cambria" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; line-heig=
ht: 115%;">Can you clarify this?</span></font></p>
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<br>
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<font face=3D"Cambria" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; line-heig=
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<font face=3D"Cambria" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; line-heig=
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Ira,

Sure, that's explicitly allowed in the current self-cert manual and tools.


On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> At today's Open Printing call, Till Kamppeter wondered if it would
> be possible to get PWG logo certification for an IPP Everywhere
> spooler (on a server or a printer dongle - not a hardcopy printer).
> 
> Mike - is this feasible (without too much ripping up the test suite)?
> 
> All - does this sound like a good idea?
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira (here wearing my Open Printing hat)
> 
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
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Hi Daniel,

I'll try to answer this one.  Mike and Pete can chime in of course.

Section 3.5 Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*
defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT
that any Printer or Client has to implement them.

Sections 8.x are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was
always intended.

The old section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and
removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.

Does that help?

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Daniel <Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com
> wrote:

>  Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) Item 3. says:
>
>  * Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.
>
>
>  This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is
> required.
>
>
>  However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris says:
>
>
>  * Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this attribute.
>
>
>  This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is
> optional.
>
>  Again, Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:
>
>
>   * Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.
>
>
>  This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is
> optional.
>
>
>  Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and SHOULD
> support Push Scan" in an older version of the document (20140725), but the
> current version does not mention that.
>
>
>  Can you clarify this?
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
> Daniel.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Daniel,<br><br></div=
>I&#39;ll try to answer this one.=C2=A0 Mike and Pete can chime in of cours=
e.<br><br></div>Section 3.5 Design Requirements simply requires that the *s=
pec*<br>defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT<br=
>that any Printer or Client has to implement them.<br><br></div>Sections 8.=
x are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was<br>always intended.<br>=
<br></div>The old section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and<br>re=
moved in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.<br><br></div>Does t=
hat help?<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><div><div><div><div><div><=
br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=
=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)=
<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundatio=
n Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Cha=
ir - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert =
- IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"=
color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" t=
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c@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, D=
aniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
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<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span><span><span style=3D"font-style:nor=
mal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal=
;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"></span></span></span>*
 Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font face=3D"Cambria"><br>
</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria">This statement (...are required...) state=
s that the Push Scan is required.</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria">However, Section 8.2 Job Template attribu=
tes: destination-uris says:</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><br>
</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">*
 Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this attribute.</spa=
n></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is op=
tional.</span></font></p>
<font face=3D"Cambria"><br>
</font>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria">Again</font><font face=3D"Cambria">, <fon=
t size=3D"3">Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:</font></=
font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><br>
</font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">*
 Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.</span></=
font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><br>
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"></span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is op=
tional.</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font face=3D"Cambria"><br>
<font size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height:115%"></span></f=
ont></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">Section 11.1 mentioned &quot;Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan an=
d SHOULD support Push Scan&quot; in an older version of the document (20140=
725), but the current version does not mention
 that.<br>
</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<br>
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%"></span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">Can you clarify this?</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<br>
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%"></span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">Thanks,</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Cambria"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;line-height=
:115%">Daniel.<br>
</span></font></p>
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Hi Mike,

Thanks - good answer - that's what I thought I remembered but wasn't
sure about.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434


On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> Sure, that's explicitly allowed in the current self-cert manual and tools.
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > At today's Open Printing call, Till Kamppeter wondered if it would
> > be possible to get PWG logo certification for an IPP Everywhere
> > spooler (on a server or a printer dongle - not a hardcopy printer).
> >
> > Mike - is this feasible (without too much ripping up the test suite)?
> >
> > All - does this sound like a good idea?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Ira (here wearing my Open Printing hat)
> >
> >
> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> > Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> > Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Mike,<br><br></div>Thanks - good an=
swer - that&#39;s what I thought I remembered but wasn&#39;t<br></div>sure =
about.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / So=
ftware Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair =
- Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Workin=
g Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF D=
esignated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North In=
c<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site=
/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusi=
c</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/=
site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth=
inc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Salin=
e, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand=
 Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline"><=
/div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></di=
v><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Michael Swe=
et <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">Ira,<br>
<br>
Sure, that&#39;s explicitly allowed in the current self-cert manual and too=
ls.<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmus=
ic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; At today&#39;s Open Printing call, Till Kamppeter wondered if it would=
<br>
&gt; be possible to get PWG logo certification for an IPP Everywhere<br>
&gt; spooler (on a server or a printer dongle - not a hardcopy printer).<br=
>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mike - is this feasible (without too much ripping up the test suite)?<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All - does this sound like a good idea?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; - Ira (here wearing my Open Printing hat)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
&gt; Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
&gt; Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
&gt; Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
&gt; Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
&gt; IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>
&gt; Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank=
">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>
&gt; mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail=
.com</a><br>
&gt; Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 <a href=
=3D"tel:734-944-0094" value=3D"+17349440094">734-944-0094</a><br>
&gt; Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 <a href=3D"=
tel:906-494-2434" value=3D"+19064942434">906-494-2434</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div>_________________________________________________________<br>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
<br>
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Pete,

On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
> Daniel,
> =20
> I agree with Ira.  Section 3.5 are design requirements.  Also note =
that no conformance terminology is used in the design requirements.  My =
preference would be to leave the specification as currently written.  =20=

> =20
> If it must be changed, perhaps the =93Push Scan and Pull Scan are =
required=94 could be changed to =93Push Scan and Pull Scan must be =
included in the definition=94.

I think some editorial changes to remove conformance-like words would be =
appropriate and useful. In the process we can normalize the text so that =
is reads consistently, e.g.:

    The design requirements for this specification are:

    1. Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.
    2. Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and =
Semantics [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and =
hyphenation requirements
    3. Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when =
possible.
    4. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push =
Scan.
    5. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Pull =
Scan.
    6. Define a minimum set of required document formats for =
interoperability.
    7. Define security requirements necessary to support privacy, =
integrity, and auditing policies
    8. Define sections to register all attributes, values, and =
operations with IANA

    (not sure if these are "design requirements" or just "functional =
requirements driven by use cases")

    9. Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.
    10. Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each =
destination.
    11. Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.
    12. Support identification of the Imaging Device.

> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> PARC, A Xerox Company
> 800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
> Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
> FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
Ira McDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM
> To: Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.
> =20
> Hi Daniel,
>=20
> I'll try to answer this one.  Mike and Pete can chime in of course.
>=20
> Section 3.5 Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*
> defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT
> that any Printer or Client has to implement them.
>=20
> Sections 8.x are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was
> always intended.
>=20
> The old section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and
> removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.
>=20
> Does that help?
>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> =20
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>=20
> =20
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Daniel =
<Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com> wrote:
> Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) Item 3. says:
>=20
> * Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is =
required.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris says:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> * Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this =
attribute.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is =
optional.
>=20
> =20
> Again, Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> * Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is =
optional.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and =
SHOULD support Push Scan" in an older version of the document =
(20140725), but the current version does not mention that.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Can you clarify this?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Daniel.
>=20
> =20
>=20
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&quot;;color:#1F497D">I agree with Ira.&nbsp; Section 3.5 are design =
requirements.&nbsp; Also note that no conformance terminology is used in =
the design requirements.&nbsp; My preference would
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">If it must be changed, perhaps the =93Push Scan =
and Pull Scan are required=94 could be changed to =93Push Scan and Pull =
Scan must be included in the =
definition=94.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I =
think some editorial changes to remove conformance-like words would be =
appropriate and useful. In the process we can normalize the text so that =
is reads consistently, e.g.:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; The =
design requirements for this specification =
are:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 1. Follow the PWG Semantic =
Model for the Network Scan Service.</div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 2. Follow the =
naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and Semantics [RFC2911], =
including&nbsp;keyword value case (lower) and&nbsp;hyphenation =
requirements<br><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 3. Re-use existing IPP operations, =
attributes, and values when possible.</div><div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 4. =
Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push =
Scan.</div><div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 5. Define IPP attributes, values, and =
operations necessary for Pull Scan.</div></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 6. =
Define&nbsp;a minimum set of required document formats for =
interoperability.</div></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 7. Define security =
requirements necessary to support privacy, integrity, and auditing =
policies</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 8. Define sections to register all =
attributes, values,&nbsp;and operations with =
IANA<div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; (not sure if these are "design =
requirements" or just "functional requirements driven by use =
cases")</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9. Support one or more =
destinations for Push Scan.</div></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 10. =
Support&nbsp;monitoring of the status of transmission to each =
destination.</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 11. Support streaming of basic =
page-based raster data.</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 12. =
Support&nbsp;identification of the Imaging Device.</div><br><blockquote =
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</span><span =
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi =
Daniel,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I'll try to =
answer this one.&nbsp; Mike and Pete can chime in of =
course.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Section 3.5 =
Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*<br>
defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT<br>
that any Printer or Client has to implement them.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sections 8.x =
are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was<br>
always intended.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">The old =
section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and<br>
removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Does that =
help?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Ira<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald =
(Musician / Software Architect)<br>
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
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target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:#3333FF">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span><=
/a><br>
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target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:#6600CC">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></=
a><br>
mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>
Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; =
734-944-0094<br>
Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; =
906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, =
Daniel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Cambria, serif;">Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) =
Item 3. says:</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Cambria, serif;">* Push Scan and Pull Scan are =
required.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Cambria, serif;">This statement (...are =
required...) states that the Push Scan is required.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Cambria, serif;">However, Section 8.2 Job Template =
attributes: destination-uris says:</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">* Scan Services =
that support Push Scanning MUST support this attribute.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">This statement =
(...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optional.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Cambria, serif;">Again</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">,
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Cambria, serif;">Section 8.3.2 =
destination-uri-schemes-supported says:</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">* Scan Services =
that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">This statement =
(...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optional.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">Section 11.1 =
mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and SHOULD support Push =
Scan" in an older version of the document (20140725), but the current
 version does not mention that.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;">Can you clarify =
this?</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cambria, =
serif;">Thanks,</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Cambria, serif;">Daniel.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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To: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
Thread-Topic: [IPP] IPP Scan question.
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Small edit on number 7.  If this is acceptable, I'll post an update for For=
mal Vote.


1.    Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.

1.    Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and Semantics=
 [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and hyphenation requiremen=
ts

2.    Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when possible.

3.    Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push Scan=
.

4.    Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Pull Scan=
.

5.    Define a minimum set of required document formats for interoperabilit=
y.

6.    Define security requirements necessary to support privacy, integrity,=
 and auditing policies

7.    Define sections to register all attributes, values, and operations wi=
th IANA and PWG Semantic Model

8.    Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.

9.    Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each destination.

10.  Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.

11.  Support identification of the Imaging Device.


Peter Zehler

PARC, A Xerox Company
800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:50 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: Ira McDonald; Manchala, Daniel; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.

Pete,

On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com<mailto:P=
eter.Zehler@xerox.com>> wrote:
Daniel,

I agree with Ira.  Section 3.5 are design requirements.  Also note that no =
conformance terminology is used in the design requirements.  My preference =
would be to leave the specification as currently written.

If it must be changed, perhaps the "Push Scan and Pull Scan are required" c=
ould be changed to "Push Scan and Pull Scan must be included in the definit=
ion".

I think some editorial changes to remove conformance-like words would be ap=
propriate and useful. In the process we can normalize the text so that is r=
eads consistently, e.g.:

    The design requirements for this specification are:

    1. Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.
    2. Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and Semantic=
s [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and hyphenation requireme=
nts
    3. Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when possible=
.
    4. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push Sca=
n.
    5. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Pull Sca=
n.
    6. Define a minimum set of required document formats for interoperabili=
ty.
    7. Define security requirements necessary to support privacy, integrity=
, and auditing policies
    8. Define sections to register all attributes, values, and operations w=
ith IANA

    (not sure if these are "design requirements" or just "functional requir=
ements driven by use cases")

    9. Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.
    10. Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each destinatio=
n.
    11. Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.
    12. Support identification of the Imaging Device.


Pete

Peter Zehler

PARC, A Xerox Company
800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM
To: Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.

Hi Daniel,
I'll try to answer this one.  Mike and Pete can chime in of course.
Section 3.5 Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*
defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT
that any Printer or Client has to implement them.
Sections 8.x are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was
always intended.
The old section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and
removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.
Does that help?
Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Daniel <Daniel.Manchala@xerox.co=
m<mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com>> wrote:
Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) Item 3. says:

* Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.



This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is required.



However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris says:



* Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this attribute.



This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optional.


Again, Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:



* Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.



This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optional.



Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and SHOULD sup=
port Push Scan" in an older version of the document (20140725), but the cur=
rent version does not mention that.



Can you clarify this?



Thanks,

Daniel.


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</span></span><![endif]>Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan =
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:=
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</span></span><![endif]>Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: M=
odel and Semantics [RFC2911], including&nbsp;keyword value case (lower) and=
&nbsp;hyphenation requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and val=
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<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:=
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</span></span><![endif]>Define IPP attributes, values, and operations neces=
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<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Define IPP attributes, values, and operations neces=
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<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">5.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Define&nbsp;a minimum set of required document form=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">7.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Define sections to register all attributes, values,=
&nbsp;and operations with IANA and PWG Semantic Model<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">8.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
e:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">9.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Support&nbsp;monitoring of the status of transmissi=
on to each destination.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-spac=
e:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">10.<span style=3D"font=
:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"NumberedListCxSpLast" style=3D"margin-left:.25in;mso-add-space:=
auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">11.<span style=3D"font=
:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Support&nbsp;identification of the Imaging Device.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Im=
pact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">PARC, A Xerox Company</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Office: &#43;1 (585) 265-8755<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Mobile: &#43;1 (585) 329-9508<=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">FAX: &#43;1 (585) 265-7441</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ira McDonald; Manchala, Daniel; ipp@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<=
o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Daniel,</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I agree with Ira.&nbsp; S=
ection 3.5 are design requirements.&nbsp; Also note that no conformance ter=
minology is used in the design requirements.&nbsp; My preference would
 be to leave the specification as currently written.&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If it must be changed, pe=
rhaps the &#8220;Push Scan and Pull Scan are required&#8221; could be chang=
ed to &#8220;Push Scan and Pull Scan must be included in the definition&#82=
21;.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think some editorial changes to remove conformance=
-like words would be appropriate and useful. In the process we can normaliz=
e the text so that is reads consistently, e.g.:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; The design requirements for this speci=
fication are:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 1. Follow the PWG Semantic Model for t=
he Network Scan Service.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 2. Follow the naming conventions defin=
ed in IPP/1.1: Model and Semantics [RFC2911], including&nbsp;keyword value =
case (lower) and&nbsp;hyphenation requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 3. Re-use existing IPP operations, att=
ributes, and values when possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 4. Define IPP attributes, values, and =
operations necessary for Push Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 5. Define IPP attributes, values, and =
operations necessary for Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 6. Define&nbsp;a minimum set of requir=
ed document formats for interoperability.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 7. Define security requirements necess=
ary to support privacy, integrity, and auditing policies<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 8. Define sections to register all att=
ributes, values,&nbsp;and operations with IANA<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; (not sure if these are &quot;design re=
quirements&quot; or just &quot;functional requirements driven by use cases&=
quot;)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 9. Support one or more destinations fo=
r Push Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 10. Support&nbsp;monitoring of the sta=
tus of transmission to each destination.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 11. Support streaming of basic page-ba=
sed raster data.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 12. Support&nbsp;identification of the=
 Imaging Device.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Pete</span><o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Im=
pact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">PARC, A Xerox Company</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Office: &#43;1 (585) 265-8755</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Mobile: &#43;1 (585) 329-9508<=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">FAX: &#43;1 (585) 265-7441</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a href=3D"=
mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Daniel,<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I'll try to answer th=
is one.&nbsp; Mike and Pete can chime in of course.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Section 3.5 Design Re=
quirements simply requires that the *spec*<br>
defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT<br>
that any Printer or Client has to implement them.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sections 8.x are corr=
ect that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was<br>
always intended.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">The old section 11.1 =
requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and<br>
removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Does that help?<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Ira<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald (Musicia=
n / Software Architect)<br>
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
<a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan style=3D"color:#3333FF">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</spa=
n></a><br>
<a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank"><sp=
an style=3D"color:#6600CC">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span>=
</a><br>
mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bluero=
ofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>
Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; 734-944-0094=
<br>
Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; 906-494-2434<o:p=
></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Daniel &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Daniel.Man=
chala@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Section 3.5 (Design Requiremen=
ts) Item 3. says:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quo=
t;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quo=
t;,&quot;serif&quot;">This statement (...are required...) states that the P=
ush Scan is required.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quo=
t;,&quot;serif&quot;">However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destina=
tion-uris says:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Scan Services that support Push Sc=
anning MUST support this attribute.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">This statement (...that support ...)=
 states that the Push Scan is optional.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quo=
t;,&quot;serif&quot;">Again</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">,
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Se=
ction 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Scan Services that support Push Sc=
an MUST support this attribute.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">This statement (...that support ...)=
 states that the Push Scan is optional.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Section 11.1 mentioned &quot;Scan Se=
rvices MUST support Pull Scan and SHOULD support Push Scan&quot; in an olde=
r version of the document (20140725), but the current version does
 not mention that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
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> Small edit on number 7.  If this is acceptable, I=92ll post an update =
for Formal Vote.
> =20
> 1.    Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.
> 1.    Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and =
Semantics [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and =
hyphenation requirements
> 2.    Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when =
possible.
> 3.    Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push =
Scan.
> 4.    Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Pull =
Scan.
> 5.    Define a minimum set of required document formats for =
interoperability.
> 6.    Define security requirements necessary to support privacy, =
integrity, and auditing policies
> 7.    Define sections to register all attributes, values, and =
operations with IANA and PWG Semantic Model
> 8.    Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.
> 9.    Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each =
destination.
> 10.  Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.
> 11.  Support identification of the Imaging Device.
> =20
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> PARC, A Xerox Company
> 800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
> Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
> FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441
> =20
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:50 AM
> To: Zehler, Peter
> Cc: Ira McDonald; Manchala, Daniel; ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.
> =20
> Pete,
> =20
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
> Daniel,
> =20
> I agree with Ira.  Section 3.5 are design requirements.  Also note =
that no conformance terminology is used in the design requirements.  My =
preference would be to leave the specification as currently written.  =20=

> =20
> If it must be changed, perhaps the =93Push Scan and Pull Scan are =
required=94 could be changed to =93Push Scan and Pull Scan must be =
included in the definition=94.
> =20
> I think some editorial changes to remove conformance-like words would =
be appropriate and useful. In the process we can normalize the text so =
that is reads consistently, e.g.:
> =20
>     The design requirements for this specification are:
> =20
>     1. Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.
>     2. Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and =
Semantics [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and =
hyphenation requirements
>     3. Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when =
possible.
>     4. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for =
Push Scan.
>     5. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for =
Pull Scan.
>     6. Define a minimum set of required document formats for =
interoperability.
>     7. Define security requirements necessary to support privacy, =
integrity, and auditing policies
>     8. Define sections to register all attributes, values, and =
operations with IANA
> =20
>     (not sure if these are "design requirements" or just "functional =
requirements driven by use cases")
> =20
>     9. Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.
>     10. Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each =
destination.
>     11. Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.
>     12. Support identification of the Imaging Device.
>=20
>=20
> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> PARC, A Xerox Company
> 800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
> Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
> FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
Ira McDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM
> To: Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.
> =20
> Hi Daniel,
>=20
> I'll try to answer this one.  Mike and Pete can chime in of course.
>=20
> Section 3.5 Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*
> defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT
> that any Printer or Client has to implement them.
>=20
> Sections 8.x are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was
> always intended.
>=20
> The old section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and
> removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.
>=20
> Does that help?
>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> =20
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>=20
> =20
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Daniel =
<Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com> wrote:
> Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) Item 3. says:
>=20
> * Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is =
required.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris says:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> * Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this =
attribute.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is =
optional.
>=20
> =20
> Again, Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> * Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is =
optional.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and =
SHOULD support Push Scan" in an older version of the document =
(20140725), but the current version does not mention that.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Can you clarify this?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Daniel.
>=20
> =20
>=20
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> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
> =20

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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
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0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ira McDonald; Manchala, Daniel; <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">Daniel,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">I agree with Ira.&nbsp; Section 3.5 are design =
requirements.&nbsp; Also note that no conformance terminology is used in =
the design requirements.&nbsp; My preference would
 be to leave the specification as currently written.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">If it must be changed, perhaps the =93Push Scan =
and Pull Scan are required=94 could be changed to =93Push Scan and Pull =
Scan must be included in the definition=94.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think some editorial changes to remove =
conformance-like words would be appropriate and useful. In the process =
we can normalize the text so that is reads consistently, =
e.g.:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; The design requirements for =
this specification are:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 1. Follow the PWG Semantic =
Model for the Network Scan Service.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 2. Follow the naming =
conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and Semantics [RFC2911], =
including&nbsp;keyword value case (lower) and&nbsp;hyphenation =
requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 3. Re-use existing IPP =
operations, attributes, and values when possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 4. Define IPP attributes, =
values, and operations necessary for Push Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 5. Define IPP attributes, =
values, and operations necessary for Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 6. Define&nbsp;a minimum set =
of required document formats for interoperability.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 7. Define security =
requirements necessary to support privacy, integrity, and auditing =
policies<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 8. Define sections to register =
all attributes, values,&nbsp;and operations with IANA<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; (not sure if these are "design =
requirements" or just "functional requirements driven by use =
cases")<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 9. Support one or more =
destinations for Push Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 10. Support&nbsp;monitoring of =
the status of transmission to each destination.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 11. Support streaming of basic =
page-based raster data.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; 12. =
Support&nbsp;identification of the Imaging Device.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">Pete</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br>
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uot;;color:navy">Office: +1 (585) 265-8755</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
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uot;;color:navy">FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi =
Daniel,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I'll try to =
answer this one.&nbsp; Mike and Pete can chime in of =
course.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Section 3.5 =
Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*<br>
defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT<br>
that any Printer or Client has to implement them.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sections 8.x =
are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was<br>
always intended.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">The old =
section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and<br>
removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Does that =
help?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Ira<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald =
(Musician / Software Architect)<br>
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
<a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:#3333FF">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span><=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:#6600CC">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></=
a><br>
mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>
Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; =
734-944-0094<br>
Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; =
906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, =
Daniel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Section 3.5 =
(Design Requirements) Item 3. says:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Push Scan =
and Pull Scan are required.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">This =
statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is =
required.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">However, =
Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris =
says:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">* Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this =
attribute.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is =
optional.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Again</span><s=
pan =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">,
</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Section =
8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">* Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this =
attribute.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is =
optional.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and =
SHOULD support Push Scan" in an older version of the document =
(20140725), but the current version does
 not mention that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">Can you clarify this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">Daniel.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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Hi,

Works for me too.  Thanks for the cleaned up design requirements
list Mike and Pete.

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Works for me.
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote=
:
>
>  Small edit on number 7.  If this is acceptable, I=E2=80=99ll post an upd=
ate for
> Formal Vote.
>
>
>
> 1.    Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.
>
> 1.    Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and
> Semantics [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and hyphenation
> requirements
>
> 2.    Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when
> possible.
>
> 3.    Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push
> Scan.
>
> 4.    Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Pull
> Scan.
>
> 5.    Define a minimum set of required document formats for
> interoperability.
>
> 6.    Define security requirements necessary to support privacy,
> integrity, and auditing policies
>
> 7.    Define sections to register all attributes, values, and operations
> with IANA and PWG Semantic Model
>
> 8.    Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.
>
> 9.    Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each
> destination.
>
> 10.  Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.
>
> 11.  Support identification of the Imaging Device.
>
>
>
>
>
> Peter Zehler
>
>
> PARC, A Xerox Company
> 800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
>
> Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
> FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com <msweet@apple.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:50 AM
> *To:* Zehler, Peter
> *Cc:* Ira McDonald; Manchala, Daniel; ipp@pwg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.
>
>
>
> Pete,
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote=
:
>
> Daniel,
>
>
>
> I agree with Ira.  Section 3.5 are design requirements.  Also note that n=
o
> conformance terminology is used in the design requirements.  My preferenc=
e
> would be to leave the specification as currently written.
>
>
>
> If it must be changed, perhaps the =E2=80=9CPush Scan and Pull Scan are r=
equired=E2=80=9D
> could be changed to =E2=80=9CPush Scan and Pull Scan must be included in =
the
> definition=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> I think some editorial changes to remove conformance-like words would be
> appropriate and useful. In the process we can normalize the text so that =
is
> reads consistently, e.g.:
>
>
>
>     The design requirements for this specification are:
>
>
>
>     1. Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.
>
>     2. Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and
> Semantics [RFC2911], including keyword value case (lower) and hyphenation
> requirements
>
>     3. Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when
> possible.
>
>     4. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Push
> Scan.
>
>     5. Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for Pull
> Scan.
>
>     6. Define a minimum set of required document formats for
> interoperability.
>
>     7. Define security requirements necessary to support privacy,
> integrity, and auditing policies
>
>     8. Define sections to register all attributes, values, and operations
> with IANA
>
>
>
>     (not sure if these are "design requirements" or just "functional
> requirements driven by use cases")
>
>
>
>     9. Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.
>
>     10. Support monitoring of the status of transmission to each
> destination.
>
>     11. Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.
>
>     12. Support identification of the Imaging Device.
>
>
>
>  Pete
>
>
>
> Peter Zehler
>
>
> PARC, A Xerox Company
> 800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
>
> Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
> FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441
>
>
>
> *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org
> <ipp-bounces@pwg.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ira McDonald
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM
> *To:* Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald
> *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I'll try to answer this one.  Mike and Pete can chime in of course.
>
> Section 3.5 Design Requirements simply requires that the *spec*
> defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT
> that any Printer or Client has to implement them.
>
> Sections 8.x are correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was
> always intended.
>
> The old section 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and
> removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.
>
> Does that help?
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Ira
>
>
>
>
>  Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Daniel <
> Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com> wrote:
>
> Section 3.5 (Design Requirements) Item 3. says:
>
> * Push Scan and Pull Scan are required.
>
>
>
> This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is required=
.
>
>
>
> However, Section 8.2 Job Template attributes: destination-uris says:
>
>
>
> * Scan Services that support Push Scanning MUST support this attribute.
>
>
>
> This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optiona=
l.
>
>
>
> Again, Section 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:
>
>
>
> * Scan Services that support Push Scan MUST support this attribute.
>
>
>
> This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Scan is optiona=
l.
>
>
>
> Section 11.1 mentioned "Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan and SHOULD
> support Push Scan" in an older version of the document (20140725), but th=
e
> current version does not mention that.
>
>
>
> Can you clarify this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Works for me too.=C2=
=A0 Thanks for the cleaned up design requirements<br></div>list Mike and Pe=
te.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Softw=
are Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - L=
inux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working G=
roup<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Desi=
gnated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<b=
r><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/bl=
ueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</=
a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/sit=
e/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, =
MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Ma=
rais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></di=
v><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><=
div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Michael Swe=
et <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Works for me.<div><div class=3D"h5"><=
div><br><div><div>On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">





<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Small edit on number=
 7.=C2=A0 If this is acceptable, I=E2=80=99ll post an update for Formal Vot=
e.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d=
">=C2=A0</span></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Follow the PWG Semantic Model for the Network Scan Service.<u=
></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Follow the naming conventions defined in IPP/1.1: Model and S=
emantics [RFC2911], including=C2=A0keyword value case (lower) and=C2=A0hyph=
enation requirements<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Re-use existing IPP operations, attributes, and values when p=
ossible.<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for P=
ush Scan.<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>4.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Define IPP attributes, values, and operations necessary for P=
ull Scan.<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>5.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Define=C2=A0a minimum set of required document formats for in=
teroperability.<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>6.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Define security requirements necessary to support privacy, in=
tegrity, and auditing policies<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25=
in">
<span>7.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Define sections to register all attributes, values,=C2=A0and =
operations with IANA and PWG Semantic Model<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"ma=
rgin-left:.25in">
<span>8.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Support one or more destinations for Push Scan.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>9.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
</span></span>Support=C2=A0monitoring of the status of transmission to each=
 destination.<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>10.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0
</span></span>Support streaming of basic page-based raster data.<u></u><u><=
/u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">
<span>11.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0
</span></span>Support=C2=A0identification of the Imaging Device.<u></u><u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler<u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">PARC, A Xerox Company</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"=
 target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Office: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20%28585%29%20265-=
8755" value=3D"+15852658755" target=3D"_blank">+1 (585) 265-8755</a><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Mobile: <a h=
ref=3D"tel:%2B1%20%28585%29%20329-9508" value=3D"+15853299508" target=3D"_b=
lank">+1 (585) 329-9508</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">FAX: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20%28585%29%20265-744=
1" value=3D"+15852657441" target=3D"_blank">+1 (585) 265-7441</a></span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
> Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_blank">mail=
to:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ira McDonald; Manchala, Daniel; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Pete,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xe=
rox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Daniel,</span><u></u=
><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I agree=
 with Ira.=C2=A0 Section 3.5 are design requirements.=C2=A0 Also note that =
no conformance terminology is used in the design requirements.=C2=A0 My pre=
ference would
 be to leave the specification as currently written.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If i=
t must be changed, perhaps the =E2=80=9CPush Scan and Pull Scan are require=
d=E2=80=9D could be changed to =E2=80=9CPush Scan and Pull Scan must be inc=
luded in the definition=E2=80=9D.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think some editorial changes to remove confor=
mance-like words would be appropriate and useful. In the process we can nor=
malize the text so that is reads consistently, e.g.:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The design requirements for this =
specification are:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. Follow the PWG Semantic Model =
for the Network Scan Service.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. Follow the naming conventions=
 defined in IPP/1.1: Model and Semantics [RFC2911], including=C2=A0keyword =
value case (lower) and=C2=A0hyphenation requirements<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. Re-use existing IPP operations=
, attributes, and values when possible.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4. Define IPP attributes, values,=
 and operations necessary for Push Scan.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5. Define IPP attributes, values,=
 and operations necessary for Pull Scan.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 6. Define=C2=A0a minimum set of r=
equired document formats for interoperability.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 7. Define security requirements n=
ecessary to support privacy, integrity, and auditing policies<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 8. Define sections to register al=
l attributes, values,=C2=A0and operations with IANA<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (not sure if these are &quot;desi=
gn requirements&quot; or just &quot;functional requirements driven by use c=
ases&quot;)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 9. Support one or more destinatio=
ns for Push Scan.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 10. Support=C2=A0monitoring of th=
e status of transmission to each destination.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 11. Support streaming of basic pa=
ge-based raster data.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 12. Support=C2=A0identification o=
f the Imaging Device.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Pete</span><u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</=
span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><b=
r>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">PARC, A Xerox Company</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1f497d"><br>
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an><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b>=
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erif&quot;">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manchala, Daniel; Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a>=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] IPP Scan question.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Daniel,<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I&#39;ll try to=
 answer this one.=C2=A0 Mike and Pete can chime in of course.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Section 3.5 Des=
ign Requirements simply requires that the *spec*<br>
defines methods and attributes for both Push and Pull scan - NOT<br>
that any Printer or Client has to implement them.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sections 8.x ar=
e correct that Push Scan is OPTIONAL - this was<br>
always intended.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">The old section=
 11.1 requirement (SHOULD) was redundant and<br>
removed in the clarification of sections 11.x in general.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Does that help?=
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Ira<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald (Mu=
sician / Software Architect)<br>
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
<a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan style=3D"color:#3333ff">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</spa=
n></a><br>
<a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank"><sp=
an style=3D"color:#6600cc">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span>=
</a><br>
mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bluero=
ofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>
Winter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 <a href=3D"t=
el:734-944-0094" value=3D"+17349440094" target=3D"_blank">734-944-0094</a><=
br>
Summer=C2=A0 PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 <a href=3D"tel:9=
06-494-2434" value=3D"+19064942434" target=3D"_blank">906-494-2434</a><u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Manchala, Dani=
el &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Danie=
l.Manchala@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Section 3.5 (Design Requi=
rements) Item 3. says:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Push=
 Scan and Pull Scan are required.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margi=
n-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin=
-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quo=
t;">This statement (...are required...) states that the Push Scan is requir=
ed.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">However, Section 8.2 Job =
Template attributes: destination-uris says:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p styl=
e=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;T=
ahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=
=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Scan Services that support Push Scanning M=
UST support this attribute.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left=
:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:=
.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quo=
t;serif&quot;">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Push Sc=
an is optional.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Again</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">=
,
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Se=
ction 8.3.2 destination-uri-schemes-supported says:</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">* Scan Services that support Push Sc=
an MUST support this attribute.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-=
left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-l=
eft:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,=
&quot;serif&quot;">This statement (...that support ...) states that the Pus=
h Scan is optional.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&=
quot;">Section 11.1 mentioned &quot;Scan Services MUST support Pull Scan an=
d SHOULD support Push Scan&quot; in an older version of the document (20140=
725), but the current version does
 not mention that.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&q=
uot;">Can you clarify this?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left=
:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:=
.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quo=
t;serif&quot;">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;se=
rif&quot;">Daniel.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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k-word">_________________________________________________________<br>Michae=
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>From a recent SANS Institute newsletter:

--NIST Releases Draft Guidelines for 3-D Printer Security
(September 11, 2014)
The US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has
released draft guidelines for 3-D printer security. The guidelines note
that attackers who manage to breach the printers' security could not
only steal sensitive plans but also pose physical threats to the plants
and employees. The specialized printers, which sometimes use metal
powders to "print" objects, could explode. The machines' commands could
also be altered, undermining the printed objects' integrity. NIST will
accept comments on the document through October 17, 2014.
http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2014/09/heres-why-you-dont-want-your-3-d-printer-get-hacked/93923/
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nistir-8023/nistir_8023_draft.pdf

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>From a recent SANS Institute newsletter:<br><br>--NI=
ST Releases Draft Guidelines for 3-D Printer Security</span><br><span>(Sept=
ember 11, 2014)</span><br><span>The US National Institute of Standards and =
Technology (NIST) has</span><br><span>released draft guidelines for 3-D pri=
nter security. The guidelines note</span><br><span>that attackers who manag=
e to breach the printers&#39; security could not</span><br><span>only steal=
 sensitive plans but also pose physical threats to the plants</span><br><sp=
an>and employees. The specialized printers, which sometimes use metal</span=
><br><span>powders to &quot;print&quot; objects, could explode. The machine=
s&#39; commands could</span><br><span>also be altered, undermining the prin=
ted objects&#39; integrity. NIST will</span><br><span>accept comments on th=
e document through <span tabindex=3D"0" class=3D""><span class=3D"">October=
 17, 2014</span></span>.</span><br><span><a href=3D"http://www.nextgov.com/=
cybersecurity/2014/09/heres-why-you-dont-want-your-3-d-printer-get-hacked/9=
3923/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2014/09/heres=
-why-you-dont-want-your-3-d-printer-get-hacked/93923/</a></span><br><span><=
a href=3D"http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nistir-8023/nistir_8023_=
draft.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nisti=
r-8023/nistir_8023_draft.pdf</a></span><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
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Tips tricks advice? Been almost a decade since I stained anything. Thinking spray most of it, decks spindles lattice work everything. Maybe a 413 tip or so? Run 24" film or 12" paper around perimeters? Is backbrushing/rolling even necessary? A lot of it looks pretty thirsty... it'll soak in b4 u can even get a brush on it. Most likely the new stain manufacturer's instructions would recommend a stripped surface or there is a moderate risk of failure. But if you don't do that...I think some of the siding there would benefit from BM restore with an even wash, and BM Brighten with even high pressure rinse then a low pressure rinse top to bottom to rinse chems and wood debris off windows and siding.. High pressure does not work to rinse down chems, it only pushes chems and debris around slightly..

I think mostly everything there should be back brushed not backrolled. Contrary to untrained belief, rolling does not do the wood cells any justice, it aerates the product and rolls across surface instead of pushing product across. Product designers and reps teach that. Brushing with proper amount of product sprayed on and loaded in your 6" stainer brush will create that penetration and leave enough wetness for a good coat. If you see dryish spots in rough surface soon after spray/brushing, you might need a little more product on, it should look evenly wet for some time. You can't add much product by over brushing, need to saturate with gun first.
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Hi,

Based on review during the IPP WG call on 17 September 2014, I have posted
a new draft of the IPP WG Charter:

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140917.pdf / doc
- clean version w/ line numbers

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140917-rev.pdf / doc
- redline version w/ line numbers

PLEASE review and comment on this draft ASAP - the PWG Steering
Committee intends to review and (hopefully) approve this charter at
their next meeting on Thursday 25 September.

Change Log (17 September 2014)

(1) Changed status from "Interim Draft" to "Stable Draft"
(2) Dropped "Printer" from name of Logo in item (f)
(3) Added IPP Transaction-Based Printing Extensions to item (m)

Cheers,
- Ira

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,</div><div>
</div><div><br></div>Based on review during the <span class=3D"">IPP</span>=
 WG call on 17 September 2014, I have <span>posted</span> a new draft of th=
e <span><span><span class=3D"">IPP</span></span></span> WG <span><span><spa=
n><span class=3D"">Charter</span></span></span></span>:<br>
</div>
<br></div><a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140=
917.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter=
-20140917.pdf</a> / doc<br></div>- clean version w/ line numbers<br><br><a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140917-rev.pdf" =
target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20140917=
-rev.pdf</a> / doc<br>



- redline version w/ line numbers<br><br></div><div><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color:rgb(255,255,0)">PLEASE review and comment on this draft ASAP - the=
 PWG Steering<br></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,=
255,0)">Committee intends to review and (hopefully) approve this charter at=
<br>their next meeting on Thursday 25 September.</span><br><br></div>Change=
 Log (17 September 2014)<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>(1) Changed st=
atus from &quot;Interim Draft&quot; to &quot;Stable Draft&quot;<br></div><d=
iv>(2) Dropped &quot;Printer&quot; from name of Logo in item (f)<br></div><=
div>(3) Added IPP Transaction-Based Printing Extensions to item (m)<br><br>=
</div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div s=
tyle=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div styl=
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  granite, like lava rock, that would be good (me being picky again!!)I did a lot of reading before I picked out my ingredients. I saw decomposed granite on multiple sources, and it was easy for me to get it, so. Sand and perlite are even listed on this website. Pumice was supposed to be my porous ingredient, but I believe perlite is porous as well, hence why I wondered if it would be an okay replacement since the place I ordered from sent the wrong thing and I'd rather not go through the effort of sending it back unless I have to.Hi, sorry, sometimes i am to picky. You generally want to create a very natural environment in a bonsai pot so you want good bacteria and soil that is steril and has no bad bacteria or fungus in it. So either you could sterilise the organic forest compost, or of you dont that os fine you you can use however much organic versus inorganic but sinse one of your organic ingredients is very water absorbant then i would not use to much of that, may i recommend a 
 website called bonsai empire and possibly read their soil article, there are many soil ingredients, one mix including compost would be compost, fine grit and coarse grit so it is not the balance of organic and inorganic but water retentative and water draining. And even with a pot full of only inorganic soil, there are still good bacteria and organisms creating a nice environment.I do have some mixture reccomendations, from a book I got and from online sources, but I figured some other opinions would help. How much organic vs inorganic should I use?</p></td>
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 completely agree in principle - I come from a racing family and 
 have track time on Laguna Seca, Willow Springs, and even the old 
 Riverside Raceway. But the problem with the philosophy you're 
 espousing here is that it always - always - leads to pricing the 
 "little guy" out of the class, regardless of his technical merits 
 or driving/piloting skill. People with money (eventually, 
 sponsorship and, farther down the road, both) buy their technical
 expertise and technology, and the class very quickly moves away
from its "inexpensive" roots. Racing in the class eventually 
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"racing" fades into the background. 

While I would certainly argue that we do need several more venues for 
Reno-style unlimited racing, or even the high-end Forumula 1, we also 
need to have some kind of class(es) for the new entrant to the field,
 and the guy tinkering in his own garage. Class(es) where that guy can
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Yes, such a class is going to have some very artificial restrictions.
 It won't be "pure" racing in that regard, no, where the advances in 
 the airplane are as much a factor as the skill of the pilot. But, 
 ultimately, all racing is about the skill of the pilot/driver. 
 There's room for the "pure" unlimited racing, and there's room for
  limited classes "for the rest of us."

I think the way to think of this is as follows: There will always be
 room for the aviation equivalent to GTP or Forumula 1. What I think
  Hot Wings is talking about isn't even Formula Ford. He's talking 
  about Kart racing - which happens to be one of the most vibrant, 
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Could anyone explain if this is a premature optimization (forcing moves in all cases where you want to avoid copies, in general)? If so, what patterns should I expect the compiler to follow (or most likely follow) that would result in an optimized and automatic move here?

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I want to add that I understand how automatic moves happen on function return values, because NRVO/RVO applies. The specific example I gave here wouldn't apply RVO, so I'm uncertain.

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move really only makes sense if the function called is let's say move aware (and the type supports move semantics.) In this case, the function you are calling is not, and so you will gain nothing from this. If however you were calling a move aware function (say emplace_back()), then it makes sense to use std::move(). Same principle applies to any of your custom functions, types etc.   Nim Aug 27 at 14:39
  	 	
@Nim is that necessarily true? I was considering a scenario where a temporary is move-constructed (from the forced r-value returned by std::move), and then that would be passed into push_back() as an r-value (const ref). Is this scenario wrong?   void.pointer Aug 27 at 14:44
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@Nim Since when is push_back not move-aware?   T.C. Aug 27 at 14:45 
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@Nim Also push_back has an overload for r-value reference (although I'm not sure it matters for this specific example): en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/vector/push_back   void.pointer Aug 27 at 14:47 
  	 	
aargh, my bad, take my second comment in the context of a general move aware function, I removed my earlier comment (can't edit the one above..)   Nim Aug 27 at 15:00 
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The other answers focus too much on the technical aspects of the question for my taste, so I will try to give a more general answer.

In short: No, using a "trick" like std::move in the way it's described in the question isn't a premature optimization. Not using std::move when it can be used is fine too, unless the code is already known to be performance critical.

The need to avoid premature optimization is sometimes understood as "don't optimize, until you can prove it's necessary", but I prefer to read it as: "don't waste time solving problems unless you know they need to be solved".

Premature optimizations require spending effort in order to optimize what may not need to be optimized, and usually transform a simple problem into a complex problem while doing so. From that perspective, I would classify any long pondering of the question itself as premature optimization.

A related example: People working in performance critical code will often pass arguments as const references ( const std::string& ). Because that's what they are used to do, they will use the same pattern in code that isn't performance critical, even tough they could just use pass-by-copy ( const std::string, or even std::string ). That isn't a premature optimization either.

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+1: From that perspective, I would classify any long pondering of the question itself as premature optimization. If unconditionally using a fast approach is easier than determining whether a slow approach would also work, then unless one has reason to believe that some theoretical advantage of the slow approach might be important, ascertaining whether one could use the slow approach to leave open its theoretical advantages could represent a different form of "premature optimization" [not for speed, but potential flexibility].   supercat Aug 27 at 21:06
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I agree in this case. The one count against this is that moving from var might make it somewhat harder for readers of the code to reason about the state of var. The same is true of anything that mutates var, of course, doing so via the result of move isn't special. But if using move causes you to not mark some object const that otherwise could be, then you might get into an area where the possibility of a speed-up is less value than keeping things conceptually simple (assuming immutable values are simpler, which I claim is often true).   Steve Jessop Aug 28 at 11:33 
  	 	
@SteveJessop Agreed. While std::move adds a declaration of intent, and a possible optimization, there are many variations of the example where std::move can add unnecessary confusion, complexity, and/or risk. In the end, r-value programming is a learned skill just like const correct programming.   Peter Aug 28 at 11:54
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@Peter Concerning your last paragraph, passing by const reference when you do not need to mutate the object is a good best practice, regardless of the importance of performance at that site. This would basically start a discussion on premature pessimization which I won't go into, but it almost sounds like you're saying that passing a vector in as a copy (example) when it won't be modified is acceptable practice. I don't necessarily agree with that. Correct me if I've misunderstood.   void.pointer Sep 5 at 17:34
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It was a tough call but I'm marking this one as the answer despite the fact that it does not have the most upvotes. The highest voted answer certainly answers the question, however I feel like after reading everything, I get the most takeaway value from this one. Not only does this address my concern with premature optimization with std::move, but it provides good general outlook that can be applied elsewhere. Also the comments/discussion here adds a lot of helpfulness/value as well. Thanks to everyone for your contributions and thought.   void.pointer Sep 5 at 18:09
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I'm not sure how the compiler would optimize away the copy (if at all) without the std::move().

Only a very clever compiler could optimise that away, so if the copy could be expensive (e.g. a very long string) then it is better to move it.

Without the move the code is effectively a sequences of calls to:

strlen  // count "Hello World"
malloc  // allocate memory for string var
strcpy  // copy data into var
malloc  // re-allocate vector
free    // deallocate old vector
malloc  // allocate new string
strcpy  // copy from var to new string
free    // destroy var
With the move it becomes:

strlen  // count "Hello World"
malloc  // allocate memory for string var
strcpy  // copy data into var
malloc  // re-allocate vector
free    // deallocate old vector
In theory a smart compiler could do that transformation automatically, but for the compiler to see through all the layers of abstraction introduced by the constructors and destructor and the vector member functions is quite difficult, so proving that the code could be transformed to remove a malloc and free is complicated.

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After std::move, the original object, in this case var, must be in a valid state but could hold any value, e.g. it might be empty.

If you know you are not going to use var and you only created it to put into the vector then it isn't really "premature" optimisation as the intention of what you are trying to do.

vector has a new method emplace_back() which is the same thing but clearer, and uses forward-arguments (here you just do emplace_back("Hello World") if all you are doing is constructing it). In your case as you are "making some modifications with var" emplace_back isn't likely to not be appropriate.

In old C++ you could optimise the copy by doing push_back() on an empty string then swapping it.

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Before emplace_back was introduced, how would you implement the same functionality, i.e. resize and construct in place? I guess that mechanism is different than std::move.   mostruash Aug 27 at 14:39
  	 	
The compiler should know when a variable is not used anymore especially in this simple case and just insert the move or even construct the string directly inside the vector. Therefore one could argue that this micro optimization should not be done manually.   nwp Aug 27 at 14:39
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@nwp - How could the compiler do that in the general case? We know how string behaves, but how could the compiler know that, e.g., var's destructor won't have different behavior depending on whether or not it was moved?   Josh Kelley Aug 27 at 15:17
  	 	
@JoshKelley By looking at the implementation of the move constructor and destructor. There are edge cases where the compiler cannot know for sure but 99.9% of the cases are obvious. That said I believe compilers are not smart enough yet so manual move is the way to go for now.   nwp Aug 27 at 15:33 
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@nwp, the compiler would not look at the move constructor. Optimizers do not look at the source code of other functions and see if they are equivalent and could be used instead, the optimizer would work at a lower level (the compiler's AST or similar) and see that malloc+memcpy+malloc+memcpy+free can be transformed to just a malloc+memcpy, which would have the effect of constructing the string directly in the vector   Jonathan Wakely Aug 27 at 15:52 
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I don't know why everyone is suggesting you use emplace_back(). The purpose of emplace_back() is to avoid copy/move operations by constructing the object in place. In this case, you have already constructed the object, so at least 1 copy/move is unavoidable. There is no advantage to using emplace_back() over push_back() in this case.

Otherwise, I agree with everyone else saying that it's not a premature optimization because the move semantics models what you are trying to do more closely than making a copy of the object.

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Not sure why you only have my upvote - this is a good answer IMHO. The // Make some modifications to 'var' part of the OP makes emplace_back useless here.   Jonathan Wakely Aug 27 at 17:59 
  	 	
@JonathanWakely: But one can use emplace_back to construct and append a new string in-place, call back() to get the reference to the newly created string and modifies it then.   C.R. Aug 28 at 7:30
  	 	
@C.R: you can, although that trick often makes it harder for your code to implement the strong exception guarantee when acting on an externally-visible vector. If the modification to the string fails (in particular throws) then you need to undo the emplace_back change you already made. Of course, when the vector is local there's no such problem, but I think it means people tend to ignore the trick rather than worry about whether it's safe in context. In practice it's less dangerous than people might think, since use of anything_back commonly does several such, so needs attention already.   Steve Jessop Aug 28 at 11:39 
  	 	
@C.R. I generally like to avoid "cute" stuff like that, it violates the KISS principle. I like to keep code simple, natural, and self-documenting as a first priority. If it becomes a bottleneck based on real measurements, then I will consider "tricks". But it doesn't make sense to use them right away.   void.pointer Sep 2 at 16:23 
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I think this should rather be a comment under an answer or a suggestion to an answerer rather a stand-alone answer.   me how Sep 4 at 10:39
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Yes, it is premature optimization if it is premature optimization.

Let me elaborate:
Premature optimization is defined by whether you are optimizing a part of the code that you don't know to be performance critical. That is, premature optimization is never defined by the method of optimization, it is always defined by the place of optimization and your knowledge about what you are doing.

Now, to the advisability to optimize using std::move():

With std::move() you avoid the heavy lifting of copy construction, like memory allocation, deallocation, copy constructing contained elements, deconstructing contained elements, etc. That is good. But one part remeains: the construction/destruction of the container object.

emplace_back() has the virtue of entirely avoiding the construction of the temporary object. So, whenever you can avoid a temporary object by using emplace_back(), you have a small win.

Considering code quality (read readability/maintainability): std::move() has the downside of leaving you with an unusable object, which can be a source of bugs. This does not happen with emplace_back(). So, again, the later is clearly preferable.

Of course, emplace_back() cannot be used in all contexts that allow the use of std::move(). So, if these are performance critical, std::move() may be the way to go. There are some very valid use-cases for optimization with std::move(). However, you might also find out that you can write the code in a way that does not require any copy/move/emplace construction at all. Never stop looking for a better solution when optimizing!

In the end, it remains that the validity of optimizing with std::move() depends entirely on the context: It is good optimization wherever it is good optimization.

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The tautologies are just noise.   nwp Aug 27 at 16:11
  	 	
premature optimization is doing something non-intuitive that doesn't show intent and you wouldn't normally want to do but you think it will make the code faster or optimal in memory usage etc.   CashCow Aug 27 at 16:40
  	 	
vector<bool> is a clear case of premature optimization, trying to optimize is memory-use..   CashCow Aug 27 at 16:41
  	 	
@CashCow vector<bool> can well make the difference between a running program, and a program that becomes victim to the OOM-killer. Also, it can well make the difference between a runtime of 1 or 32 seconds. However, it depends entirely on the use-case whether vector<bool> is an optimization or not. In most programs that use vector<bool> it will be premature optimization. But vector<bool> is a special case: it's within a library, and libraries must be optimized for all relevant use cases (if they are optimized at all). And a factor of 32 is too big an optimization to pass by.   cmaster Aug 27 at 16:51
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@cmaster: your comment already contains the reason why vector<bool> is extremely bad - with "bad" beeing: that this tradeoff is forced on every user of std::vector, whether they like it or not. The optimization in vector<bool> is undoubtedly important, but simply presented under the wrong name! A better (and consistent) name would be something along the lines of dynamic_bitset   MFH Aug 27 at 16:56





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Greetings,

VOTES ARE CONFIDENTIAL!  See voting instructions below.

This email initiates the Formal Approval vote by the PWG membership on =
the IPP Scan Service specification, which is located at:

   http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140917.pdf

The complete list of PWG Last Call issues and resolutions is located at:

   http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPPScanComments-20140917.pdf


VOTING PERIOD

This Formal Vote will start Today, 18 September 2014 and will end at =
10pm (US Pacific Time) on Friday, 17 October 2014.  Valid votes are: =
Yes, No, No (with Strong Objection), Abstain.

Representatives from PWG member companies are strongly encouraged to =
exercise their right to vote.

PWG Privacy Policy:  Your vote is confidential and will not be disclosed =
by PWG officers or document editors.


HOW TO VOTE

Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:

   IPP Scan Service Formal Vote-<company name>-<voter's last =
name>-<Yes/No/Abstain>

For example:

   IPP Scan Service Formal Vote-Acme-McGee-Yes


VOTING RULES

1. Any "No" vote MUST state the reason for the "No" vote and MUST =
contain a description of the *technical* changes required to turn the =
"No" vote into a "Yes" vote - otherwise the "No" vote will NOT be =
counted, per PWG Process/3.0.

2. Any "No" vote MUST NOT contain *editorial* comments, per PWG =
Process/3.0.

3. Any "Yes" vote MAY contain "editorial" comments, per PWG Process/3.0.

4. Any "Yes" vote MUST NOT contain any *technical* comments, per PWG =
Process/3.0.

5. Any "Abstain" vote counts toward quorum, but not approval.


WHERE TO SEND YOUR VOTE

Please send your vote to *all* of the following email addresses:

   Peter.Zehler@xerox.com (Peter Zehler, Editor of IPP Scan Service =
document)

   blueroofmusic@gmail.com (Ira McDonald, PWG Secretary, IPP WG =
Co-Chair)

   ptykodi@tykodi.com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-Chair)

   msweet@apple.com (Mike Sweet, PWG Chair, IPP WG Secretary)

Please do NOT simply reply to this note on PWG-Announce or the IPP WG =
list (to preserve the confidentiality of your vote).


NOTES

1. This Formal Vote is being conducted under the rules of the PWG =
Process/3.0 and the current PWG Policy on Intellectual Property and =
Confidentiality agreement. The 2014 PWG Membership Agreement calls out =
both of these documents and the links are provided below.

2. To be eligible to vote the member MUST have submitted a signed copy =
of the 2014 PWG Membership Agreement and paid their dues.

3. The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 =
is located at:

  http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf

4. The PWG Policy on Intellectual Property and Confidentiality is =
located at:

  http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-ip-policy.pdf

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Those were different days. I've read the book. Jack Lambie used to be a member of my soaring club. As an example of how those days were different, take the example of Jack from the book: Flying his RF-4 on the deck through Edwards AFB airspace twice a week, because going straight through was a short-cut from Elsinore to where the Gossamer Condor was being assembled. Think he'd get away with that today?

Without some kind of organization, all you'll ever have is a local flying meet. One venue. And "with no organizers or leaders", the liability for any accident is going to fall down to the land-owner. You think they're going to go along with that? In the 70's at such events, guys would just go over the side of the hill to relieve themselves. With today's public-event health regulations, someone is going to need to rent Porta-Potties, etc., to a formula that factors in the number of attendees. 

For this to have any "promote aviation" effect, you're going to need an organization, multiple venues, and deep PR with the newsmedia. And all of that means insurance. There's no getting away from it in this day and age. If you just want to do one local event in the vein of the old Lilenthal "meet", then go for it. Anything larger than that - or any future editions - is going to require at least liability insurance with a named-insured rider for the land owner.I agree. I have raced for a living for the better part of the last 20 years. I feel sorry for the "low/no budget guys", but like Ross said "This is racing, not a family picnic". You can compete in any class , but being the fastest is going to cost you. I dont care what "rules" someone puts on a class, its the parts that are not regulated by rules that are exploited by the teams. In claimer style racing, sure the engines are , but then you see extravagant budgets on the chassis itself. Let me give you a example. Some of our clas
 ses try to create parity by limiting the inlet size on a turbo. So the low budget guys restrict their 2500.00 turbo and race. The big budget guys spend 50,000 having various custom units built and trying them all. The only thing that has kept the super high budget teams out is the prohibition of corporate logos on the outside of the vehicles. But, even recently, a big name has stepped in a reset one of the records by a fair amount. It would be difficult in air racing to find a "low cost" parity, without allowing budgets and technology dictating a even playing field (like now). In my opinion, the only way you could achieve it would be 4 rules. You run "x" airframe only, "x" sealed engine only,

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Put the effort into bringing back Formula V to a viable sport, and police the engines somewhat in the manner revkev6 is describing. Maybe not tear down winning engines, but how about the racing league owns the engines? You hand out engines to participants at the start of the season, randomly. Random spot-checks throughout the season for things easily measured without disassembling the engine, and to check serial numbers. At the end of the season, the engines are turned back in and torn down for The big problem with a racing league these days is going to be finding venues and insurance. After the No one needs insurance if a half dozen "racers" show up and have a day of 'test flying". Sure there would still need to be fully sanctioned and regulated races so that there could be official records made.......... but a lot of the fun could be had without.Real racing should reward those with the best technical skills, innovation, preparedness and driving/ flying skills otherwise it's boring 
 IMO. If you want a spec class, have someone provide 10 identical airframes and engines and choose lots, but this is just about flying skills then. This won't be cheap though. People want to fly their own  F1 rules have been around and stable for a long time. This is pretty cheap to get into relatively speaking and you can test your skills against some of the best in the world if that's what you want. Using the same rules, you could set up an F1 race league in your own local area and do cross country stlimits could work but this turns things into an economy race to some degree although at the same time shows overall cleverness in design and flying skill. This does have the advantage of being relatively easy to police (outside of hidden tanks). With a set airframe spec- wing area and weight, this allows a lot of innovation with layout and engine so it's interesting to designers and builders Limiting power is really hard to do or police without a ton of time and money.
I've never agreed with penalizing the people winning. This is racing, not a family picnic. The winners are smarter or better so the slower people need to up their game to catch up, otherwise suck VW engines are starting to get expensive, compared to the old days, and finding a reliable source of factory stock engines of one specification might also be a problem. How about moving down the food chain one more step and nominating something like the 1L Generac/Subaru Robin as the base engine? In a clean airframe 130+ mph should be easy.

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I've changed the solenoid. My battery has over 12 volts, but will not crank the engine. When I turn the key, I may get one or two halfhearted attempts then nothing. When I charge the battery up to over 13.5 volts, it turns over like nothing is wrong. I've tested the ignition switch and I have continuity, it doesn't read to 000's but it beeps and goes to like 0.26 or so. I've unplugged the wire from the solenoid that comes from the ignition and I get 12.5 volts through there. It's a 4 pole solenoid. I get 12+ volts on the post with the red wire that seems to be connected to the battery. I don't get 12 volts on the starter end. And when I try to crank the engine from the ignition, I don't get 12 volts to the starter. How can I test the wire from the solenoid to the starter? Or is that even an issue? I'm at a loss. Any help will be greatly I have a 'quill' now with a grease fitting on top, however (looking inside it) it has Sealed bearings on both ends, so the grease fitting seems kinda
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After your post about the pulley, I did put my dial indicator on today to check more accurately the pulley for run-out, & it has .029" run-out on the outer edge.. 
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Your advice is Always most appreciated.. Now I have a direction to concentrate on.. I want to check for run-out on that 'quill' (spindle top) to see if it is the pulley or the spindle first.. & then test the other Good side for run-out as well.. If it's the pulley, I could possibly true it to a much better tolerance, or make it much worse.. LOL Time will tell.. I'm a bit reluctant to even touch the good side, that is still the original assembly (over 6 yrs old)..


And as I posted above, the bearings are holding up very well, it is the housing that gets the seats for the bearings beat out.

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My 14 year old Rheem hot water heater ONLY drips water from the bottom when the fire is burning. It drips water directly on top of the burner plate which caused the unit to shut off twice over the years. The water stops dripping a minute or so after the fire goes off and does not drip anymore until the burner turns on after many hours. It happens in all heat settings, hot, warm, vacation. I put a metal can on top of the burner to collect the water. It collects about half a cup everytime the fire goes on. 
Have you seen this issue before? Any temporary fixes other than replacing it There is a small puddle underneath but a large towel handles it fine. Lately it drips every second or faster when heating. It creates a lot of steam. The system automatically shut itself off 2 times so far this summer. 
I live in rural Illinois and the underground hard water I get, even in summer, is ice cold. So condensation probably adds to the issue.
I have a CO detector next to it and it hasn't beeped yet. It may be a seam or a pin hole that is underneath layers of sediments and debris. It used to make loud cracking noise when heating in early days. Now the noise stopped. How can I locate the small leak and stop it? Not sure about the temporary fix possibility. I agree with Gary, there's no fix for a broken seam on the water tank. Let's consider this, though while you save up for a new w/h. If it's strictly a pressure issue try lowering the temp setting to the lowest level that would allow you to at least function (cooler shower, cold water laundry, etc.), Turn on a hot water valve somewhere in the house when the water heater cycles on, and let it dribble to match the leakage from the w/h tank as best you can, and see if you can squeak by with this plan for a while. Haven't tried this, but you can try it for me and give us a report.
If it's the direct heat from the burner causing the welded seam to expand and leak, forget it. 

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This will be my last post, bc my journey is COMPLETE.

My friend DocOZ really came thru and gave me this 
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After spending a December in Grand Canyon, in the snow, we found that the small heater fan
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Propane heater (with Stand) and propane hoses and fittings to tap into the propane line 
that went to the stove. Unfortunately, we never camped in that much cold again, but the
 heater was nice to have anyway.
We also installed  curtains on either side next to the beds to allow more privacy especially as 
the kids were getting older and they needed privacy as much as we did. It was in the plans, 
but I never did get around to adding a 2nd battery. In retrospect, most of our camping we had 
electricity so we didn't really need a 2nd battery.
y speaking what we paid for the popup, doing any mods that were more 
than that (gutting or severe remodeling) in time or  didn't make sense to us. We ended up it
 A few years later we  a Travel Trailer, then the big fifth wheel we have now and with the larger  
tag it did make sense for some of those mods but I think that's for another topic.
I do admire others who have spent much time and  redoing, refurbishing, or fixing up
 some of these old trailers and popups - those are labors of love, which unfortunately I do
 not share. But I like looking at what others have done.. Bow: should allow for full swing of 
the arm. Rotation/friction factor must be taken into consideration only slight curve in bow.
Spindle: Upper end should be pointed to created the smallest friction surface. Tip should 
be fairly flat. Hollowed center to eliminate dead zone (the end thats going to touch the fire
 board, not the pointy end). Keep lubricated on top. Drill should be straight as possible.
Fire Board: Hole should burn in far enough from edge of board to keep drill from breaking out. 
Board cant be too thin or thick otherwise no ignition will occur. Have more tahn one 
hole prepared for back up. Should be made of soft wood. Cedar works excellent for 
all parts of the bow drill.Hand Hold : type of material wood should be hard and polish easily 
(hickory, osage, orange, serviceberry, and oak) Should fit properly and comfortably. Bone and 
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<p style="font-size:2px; color:#FFFFFF">However, almost as gruesome as the cut itself, was Jones' corner in handling the situation. First things first, with all due respect to Alton Merkerson, he's always been regarded as a trainer of Amateurs. I'd always given him the benefit of the doubt, until this Fight when he told HBO's Max Kellerman that Roy had never been cut in a Fight. Why would you admit your own inexperience, simply due to Roy never having been cut? Merkerson basically revealed that he's not used to his Fighters being cut, and most of us know the primary function of headgear in training and Amateur Competition, is cut prevention.Merkerson kept telling the physician who was employed as the cut man &quot;let me get some pressure on that Doc&quot; when the coagulant was being applied. The precious seconds it took them to change hands alleviated pressure on the cut and depth of the coagulant. Furthermore, the Doctor was on Jones' right side. Notice what side the cut is on? Ev
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A few questions in looking at the comments on Cloud Scan Model relative to
the MFD Scan Model and  IPP Scan.

 

The SM Scan Model identified Single Document Single File Jobs, Single
Document Multiple File Jobs, Multiple Document Single File Jobs, and
Multiple Document Multiple File Jobs, where in this context, Document refers
to the hardcopy document and File refers to the Digital Data file resulting
from scanning, which is related to Destination. This relationship allows the
Scan Service User to define a Job with  multiple documents and  " Each
Document can have a different set of processing parameters". There can be
multiple files for each document and different files for multiple documents,
with each file having its own URI. 

 

It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages
operation that a scan job can have multiple documents. 

 

The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to
CreateJob)  contains the Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and
InputElements for Scan with no need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This
suggests that there is but one document (possibly with multiple
destinations) in a Scan Job. Alternatively,  it may be that the Input
Parameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are defined
in the CreateJob.  This seemes inconsistent with the general Imaging Service
model. 

 

The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in one
scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only
operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages
necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be
in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining
destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or
destinations can be specified for different documents.

 

[Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined in
CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it be
assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]

 

Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple documents in
a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same
destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a
SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained
the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file;
that would have been consistent with the Model. 

 

For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic Model
(with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we
need to change the semantic model?

 

 

Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up stuff.

 

1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and
refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the
specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number
is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.

2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as
GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages

3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template
Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section
(should it be 8.2?)

4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between
Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

 

 


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A few =
questions in looking at the comments on Cloud Scan Model relative to the =
MFD Scan Model and &nbsp;IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The SM Scan =
Model identified </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Single Document Single File =
Jobs, Single Document Multiple File Jobs, Multiple Document Single File =
Jobs, and&nbsp; Multiple Document Multiple File Jobs, where in this =
context, Document refers to the hardcopy document and File refers to the =
Digital Data file resulting from scanning, which is related to =
Destination. This relationship allows the Scan Service User to define a =
Job with &nbsp;multiple documents and&nbsp; &#8220; Each Document can =
have a different set of processing parameters&#8221;. There can be =
multiple files for each document and different files for multiple =
documents, with each file having its own URI. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It is also clear from the =
IPP Scan specification </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>GetNextDocumentImages =
operation</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> that =
a scan job can have multiple documents. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The Cloud conference call =
comment is that &nbsp;FetchJob (corresponding to CreateJob)&nbsp; =
contains the </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Destination, =
&nbsp;DestinationAccesses, and &nbsp;InputElements for Scan with no need =
to have a FetchDocument operation. &nbsp;This &nbsp;suggests that there =
is but one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job. =
Alternatively, &nbsp;it may be that the Input Parameters and =
Destinations for each one of multiple documents are defined in the =
CreateJob. &nbsp;This seemes inconsistent with the general Imaging =
Service model. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to =
multiple documents in one scan job. &nbsp;However, Figure 1 can be =
interpreted to mean that &nbsp;the only operation necessary for Scan is =
a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan =
Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob request =
as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; but it =
does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations can =
be specified for different documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>[Also, =
&nbsp;Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined in =
CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it be =
assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes =
precedence?]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Do I correctly understand that, although there may be =
multiple documents in a scan job, they must all have the same =
InputAttributes and the same destination(s)? &nbsp;An alternate approach =
might have been to send &nbsp;a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each =
document to be scanned, which contained the input parameters and =
destination for each specific document/image file; that would have been =
consistent with the Model. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>For Cloud, =
we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic Model (with =
which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we =
need to change the semantic model?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also, a few =
minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up =
stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:84.0pt;text-indent:-48.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Table 1 lists =
</span>Get-Next-Document-Images and refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.&nbsp; I =
take it that this &nbsp;means to have the specification refer to itself, =
but it is confusing even if the proper number is inserted. Better to =
refer to the internal paragraph.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:84.0pt;text-indent:-48.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Figure 1 =
refers to the operation as </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>GetNextDocumentImage rather =
than GetNextDocumentImages</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:84.0pt;text-indent:-48.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In para =
7.1.1, under </span>Group 2: Job Template Attributes is a reference to =
section 8.28.1.7.2. &nbsp;There is no such section (should it be =
8.2?)<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:84.0pt;text-indent:-48.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Although the =
text makes a distinction between Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section =
8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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4. Click "Join".

-------------------------------------------------------
For assistance
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- volunteer as minute taker?

(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT Mapping
- continue review at PJT XImagePosition

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-rev.pdf
  - PDF of revisions with line numbers

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-rev.docx
  - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers

Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
*in*
*the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!

(3) Next steps
- JDFMAP special calls in October - TBD - need to schedule!

Cheers,
- Ira and Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)

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 special call will be on Monday 22 September at<br>7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30=
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</div>

<br>Rainer - please use the primary or backup <b>toll numbers</b> below:<br=
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s Code: *******#<br>Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<br>
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ze:small">1. Go to=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-=
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ze:small">2. On the left navigation bar, click &quot;Support&quot;. </span>=
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- volunteer as minute taker?<br>
<br></div><div>(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 <span><span class=3D"">JDF</=
span></span> to PWG PJT Mapping<br></div><div>- continue review at PJT XIma=
gePosition<br><br>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap=
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Word source</b> (</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">wit=
h a changed date suffix in filename and <br>


cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick &amp; Ira - thank you!</sp=
an></div><br></div><div>(3) Next steps<br></div><div><span></span></div><di=
v><span></span><span></span><span><span class=3D""></span></span></div><div=
>- <span class=3D"">JDFMAP</span> special calls in October - TBD - need to =
schedule!<br></div><div><br></div><div>
Cheers,<br></div>- Ira and Rick (co-editors of <span><span class=3D"">JDFMA=
P</span></span> spec)<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div style=3D"display:inline=
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Our next JDFMAP special call will be on Monday 22 September at
> 7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US EDT / 16:30-17:30 CEST
>
> Rainer - please use the primary or backup *toll numbers* below:
>
> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)
> Attendee Access Code: *******#
> Attendee ID Code: # (empty)
>
> NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx
> - instead use the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!
>
> Topic: JDFMAP Discussions
> Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 21, 2014 to no end date
> Time: 10:30 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
> Meeting Number: 683 505 355
> Meeting Password: Printing123
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Meeting information
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Go to
> https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=me80ad87529b4ae33f134c1fb19354cd1
>
> 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
> 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
> 4. Click "Join".
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> For assistance
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".
>
> Agenda:
>
> (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
> - volunteer as minute taker?
>
> (2) Review latest draft of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT Mapping
> - continue review at PJT XImagePosition
>
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-rev.pdf
>   - PDF of revisions with line numbers
>
> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-rev.docx
>   - MS Word source of revisions with line numbers
>
> Rainer - *please* ONLY do updates with "Track Changes" enabled
> *in*
> *the MS Word source* (with a changed date suffix in filename and
> cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick & Ira - thank you!
>
> (3) Next steps
> - JDFMAP special calls in October - TBD - need to schedule!
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira and Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)
>
>

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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Ira McDonal=
d <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><span style=3D"font-f=
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<br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size=
:small">


</div><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;f=
ont-size:small"></span>Our next <span><span>JDFMAP</span></span> special ca=
ll will be on Monday 22 September at<br>7:30-8:30 US PDT / 10:30-11:30 US E=
DT / 16:30-17:30 CEST<br>

</div>

<br>Rainer - please use the primary or backup <b>toll numbers</b> below:<br=
><br>Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-866-469-3239" v=
alue=3D"+18664693239" target=3D"_blank">1-866-469-3239</a><br>Call-in toll =
number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-650-429-3300" value=3D"+16504293300" t=
arget=3D"_blank">1-650-429-3300</a> (Primary)<br>


Call-in toll number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-408-856-9570" value=3D"+1=
4088569570" target=3D"_blank">1-408-856-9570</a> (Backup)<br>Attendee Acces=
s Code: *******#<br>Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<br>
<br>NOTE: DO NOT USE the audio bridge number shown by WebEx<br>- instead us=
e the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!<br></div><div><br style=
=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">


<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Topic: <span><span>JDFMAP</span></span> Discussions=C2=A0</span><=
br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:=
small">
<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Date: Every Monday, from <span><span>Monday, July 21, 2014</span>=
</span> to no end date=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sa=
ns-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Time: <span><span>10:30 am</span></span>, Eastern Daylight Time (=
New York, GMT-04:00)=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans=
-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small">



<span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-si=
ze:small">Meeting Number: 683 505 355=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-family:=
Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,Helvetica,Geneva;font-size:small"><span style=3D"fo=
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- volunteer as minute taker?<br>
<br></div><div>(2) Review latest draft of CIP4 <span><span>JDF</span></span=
> to PWG PJT Mapping<br></div><div>- continue review at PJT XImagePosition<=
br><br>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916=
-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-=
20140916-rev.pdf</a><br>

=C2=A0 - PDF of revisions with line numbers<br>

<br>-  <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20140916-r=
ev.docx" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-2=
0140916-rev.docx</a><br>=C2=A0 - MS Word source of revisions with line numb=
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<br></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Rainer - *pl=
ease* ONLY do updates with &quot;Track Changes&quot; enabled <b>in<br></b><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><b>the MS =
Word source</b> (</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">wit=
h a changed date suffix in filename and <br>


cover page) but not in the PDF, and send to Rick &amp; Ira - thank you!</sp=
an></div><br></div><div>(3) Next steps<br></div><div><span></span></div><di=
v><span></span><span></span><span><span></span></span></div><div>- <span>JD=
FMAP</span> special calls in October - TBD - need to schedule!<br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>
Cheers,<br></div>- Ira and Rick (co-editors of <span><span>JDFMAP</span></s=
pan> spec)<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><di=
v style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div><=
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Hi,

JDFMAP team will NOT meet on 29 September, 13 October, or
20 October.

JDFMAP team will meet on Monday 6 October and 27 October.

JDFMAP will also be a topic in the Semantic Model WG session on
Wednesday 5 November at the PWG Meeting in Waltham, MA
(hosted by Conexant).

Updated JDFMAP spec will be published in the next few days, with
some new text for some of the complex mapping sections 4.1.x.  Our
stretch goal is to have JDFMAP spec be content-complete by PWG
F2F (review still needed).

Cheers,
- Ira & Rick (co-editors of JDFMAP spec)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
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Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>JDFMAP=
 team will NOT meet on 29 September, 13 October, or <br>20 October.<br><br>=
</div>JDFMAP team will meet on Monday 6 October and 27 October.<br></div><b=
r>JDFMAP will also be a topic in the Semantic Model WG session on<br></div>=
Wednesday 5 November at the PWG Meeting in Waltham, MA<br></div>(hosted by =
Conexant).<br><br></div><div>Updated JDFMAP spec will be published in the n=
ext few days, with<br></div><div>some new text for some of the complex mapp=
ing sections 4.1.x.=C2=A0 Our<br></div><div>stretch goal is to have JDFMAP =
spec be content-complete by PWG<br></div><div>F2F (review still needed).<br=
></div><div><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira &amp; Rick (co-editors of JDFM=
AP spec)<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair -=
 TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printin=
g WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO=
 PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Pr=
inter MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,5=
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k">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(=
102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"m=
ailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a=
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Minutes of the JDFMAP call-in meeting (7:30 - 8:30 PDT / 10:30 - 11:30 EDT)

Attendees:
Ira McDonald (High North)
Rainer Prosi (Heidelberg)
Paul Tykodi (TCS)
Rick Yardumian (Canon)
Daniel Manchala (Xerox)

Discussion of PWG ImageShift (XImageShift, YImageShift, etc) that maps to J=
DF LayoutPreparationParams/ImageShift/@ShiftFront, etc.

Units of shift for PWG (1/2540 of an inch =3D=3D 1/100 of mm), datatype =3D=
 integer, either X or Y
Units of shift for JDF (1/72 of an inch =3D=3D 1 point), datatype =3D doubl=
e-float, both X and Y values are included.

Next meetings: Oct 6, Oct 27, Nov 5 (PWG F2F @ Waltham, MA)


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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Rainer Prosi (Heidelberg)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Paul Tykodi (TCS)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Rick Yardumian (Canon)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Daniel Manchala (Xerox)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
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eShift, etc) that maps to JDF LayoutPreparationParams/ImageShift/@ShiftFron=
t, etc.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
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Bill,

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net> wrote:
> ...
> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.

I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.  Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they are part of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push scan) as a single file.
 
> 
> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to
> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job. Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes inconsistent with the general Imaging Service model.

In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on page 22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).

Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs (and thus multiple document objects).

I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support multiple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the overall model - just something worth pointing out.

(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOut service implementations only support single document jobs...)

> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in one scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations can be specified for different documents.

I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in the response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here. It really is (semantically) "last-document-image".

Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication, either the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last document IMAGE has been reached")?

> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]

I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.
 
> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple documents in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file; that would have been consistent with the Model.

Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.
 
> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic Model (with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we need to change the semantic model?

The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.
 
> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up stuff.
>  
> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.

Agreed.

> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages
> 
> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section (should it be 8.2?)
> 
> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.

Thanks for catching these!

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Michael,

Thank you for your response.

1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that
there can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it
indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore,
Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely states
that, for a multi-document Job,  " Job object contains multiple Document
objects. Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters."
And further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to
specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have intentionally
decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that should be made
clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from
the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for
multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may exist.)

2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple
images of a document, and that "last-document" refers to the last image of a
document. But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to
anything other than 'Document Images'?

I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I think
the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might expect from
the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, the fact that
for Pull Scan,  the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accepted
and Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple images
document.
Thanks,
Bill Wagner 


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Subject: Re: IPP Scan question.

Bill,

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net>
wrote:
> ...
> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages
operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.

I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.
Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more
images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they
are part of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push
scan) as a single file.
 
> 
> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to 
> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no
need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but
one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.
Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for
each one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes
inconsistent with the general Imaging Service model.

In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single
scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital
representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on page
22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar
to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).

Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs
(and thus multiple document objects).

I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support
multiple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the
overall model - just something worth pointing out.

(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOut
service implementations only support single document jobs...)

> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in one
scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only
operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages
necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be
in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining
destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or
destinations can be specified for different documents.

I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in the
response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here. It
really is (semantically) "last-document-image".

Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication,
either the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last
document IMAGE has been reached")?

> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined 
> in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it 
> be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]

I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a
Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.
 
> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple documents
in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same
destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a
SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained
the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file;
that would have been consistent with the Model.

Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the
destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only
way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of
images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.
 
> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic Model
(with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we
need to change the semantic model?

The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since
SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.
 
> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up
stuff.
>  
> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and
refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the
specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number
is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.

Agreed.

> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as
GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages
> 
> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template
Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section
(should it be 8.2?)
> 
> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between
Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.

Thanks for catching these!

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Hi,

I'm pleased to announce that the PWG Steering Committee approved the
revised IPP WG Charter to cover all current in-progress and planned future
specifications for the IPP WG:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/charter/ch-ipp-charter-20140925.pdf

Cheers,
- Ira (PWG Secretary, IPP WG Co-Chair)


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sed <span class=3D"">IPP</span> WG <span><span class=3D"">Charter</span></s=
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All,

IPP Scan can support multiple document jobs.  There are attributes that allow the printer to declare that capability ( "multiple-document-jobs-supported") as well as operational attributes ("document-number", "last-document") to segment the data pulled from the scan service into multiple files (i.e. one file per document, number of images in a file is format and implementation specific).  During the prototype I used a scanner that emitted JPG or PDF.  When loading a stack of media into the ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.  The number of documents objects generated was dictated by output file type.  In the IPP binding I limited the file to document object association to 1 to 1.  I did not want to deal with the complexities of associating multiple files with a single document object.    The abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple files per document.

Running a stack of paper using JPG as the " document-format-accepted" resulted in a multiple files each of which was associated with a single document.  Running that same stack of paper using PDF as the "document-format-accepted" resulted in a single multipage file associated with a single document.  From the client perspective using Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit different for each job.  With the JPG output the responses had a document number that changed throughout the scan job retrieval.  The number of responses with the same document number varied based on the complexity of the image.  Each time the document number changed, the output file is closed and a new one is opened.  The last Get-Next-Document-Images for the last document in the job set the "last-document" to true.  In a push job version of this scan job, the same number of files are created at the destination. With the PDF output the responses had a document number remained the same throughout the scan jo
 b retrieval.    When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for the job had the "last-document" to true, the output file was closed.  In a push job version of this scan job, one file was created at the destination.

The MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would be used locally or remotely.  Therefore the was considerable more control over the behavior of the scanner itself.  The IPP Scan service simplified a number of aspects to address the 98% needs for network scanning in a mobile environment.  I expect the MFD Scan service would be adjusted to better reflect implementation experience within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the industry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP Scan, vendor specific scan).

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Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

Michael,

Thank you for your response.

1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that there can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore, Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely states that, for a multi-document Job,  " Job object contains multiple Document objects. Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters."
And further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have intentionally decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that should be made clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may exist.)

2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple images of a document, and that "last-document" refers to the last image of a document. But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to anything other than 'Document Images'?

I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I think the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might expect from the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, the fact that for Pull Scan,  the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple images document.
Thanks,
Bill Wagner 


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Bill,

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net>
wrote:
> ...
> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages
operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.

I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.
Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they are part of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push
scan) as a single file.
 
> 
> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to 
> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no
need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.
Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes inconsistent with the general Imaging Service model.

In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on page
22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).

Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs (and thus multiple document objects).

I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support multiple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the overall model - just something worth pointing out.

(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOut service implementations only support single document jobs...)

> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in 
> one
scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations can be specified for different documents.

I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in the response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here. It really is (semantically) "last-document-image".

Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication, either the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last document IMAGE has been reached")?

> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined 
> in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it 
> be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]

I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.
 
> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple 
> documents
in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file; that would have been consistent with the Model.

Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the
destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.
 
> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic 
> Model
(with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we need to change the semantic model?

The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.
 
> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up
stuff.
>  
> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and
refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.

Agreed.

> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as
GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages
> 
> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template
Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section (should it be 8.2?)
> 
> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between
Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.

Thanks for catching these!

_________________________________________________________
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Hi,

This page was last updated in 2003 and is completely wrong -it suggests the
IANA "ipp" URI scheme is URI scheme squatting!

http://www.w3.org/wiki/UriSchemes/ipp

Mike - something for us to report to Wikipedia and try to correct.

Cheers,
- Ira


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Ira,

I have an account and will fix it next week...


> On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This page was last updated in 2003 and is completely wrong -it suggests the IANA "ipp" URI scheme is URI scheme squatting!
> 
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/UriSchemes/ipp
> 
> Mike - something for us to report to Wikipedia and try to correct.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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Pete,

Thanks for the correction. A few items for clarification to see if I got it
right. I would very much appreciate either agreement with or correction of
my interpretation.

      1. Hardcopy document refers just to the material that is being scanned
and has no other correlation to Digital Document. For example, conceivably,
a set of pages from multiple books could be scanned with the image data
ultimately appearing in a single document. Alternatively, multiple pages for
a single hardcopy document could be scanned and appear as multiple Digital
Documents.

      2. Image refers to the content in a specified scan region of a
hardcopy document. Unless the scanner is set up to combine the data from
multiple scanned images, an image cannot refer to more than the content of
one sheet side. Therefore, for example, a scan job concerned with multiple
pages of a hardcopy document will contain multiple images.

      3. There is a 1:1 relationship between Digital Documents and files, in
that each Digital Document is formatted and stored as a separatefile.

      4. In general, the relationship of images to digital documents is
format (and perhaps implementation) specific. If the
'document-format-accepted' is a document format such as PDF, there may be
multiple images per document. If 'document-format-accepted' is an image
format such as JPEG or GIF, each image is more likely a separate digital
document.

      5. In IPP Scan Push mode, all Digital Documents produced in a Job are
scanned and formatted  in the same way and stored to the same
destination(s), as specified in the CreateJob.

            a. If the job produces multiple digital documents, the
destination is a directory with each Digital Document being a separate file
in that directory. 

            b. If the job produces a single document, the specified
destination is of the file.

      6. In IPP Scan Push mode, the client may  specify multiple
destinations.

      7. In IPP Scan Pull mode, each digital document produced by a job is
sent back to the client in response to a GetNextDocumentImage request from
the Client. Each document may contain data from a single image or from
multiple images. There may be multiple documents as part of a single job. 

            a. Unlike in Push mode, the Compression Accepted and Document
Format Accepted may be separately specified in each GetNextDocumentImage
request. (I find this rather odd - especially since each such request does
not necessarily correspond to either a Document or an image. )

            b. The mode of operation of GetNextDocumentImage depends upon
whether Wait Mode is agreed upon. In Wait mode, data is sent as it becomes
available and can be accepted. If not in Wait mode (or if Wait mode is
interrupted or timed out) , the client must issue a GetNextDocumentImage for
each buffer's-worth of data.

      8. This mode of transfer suggests that GetNextDocumentImage does not
refer either to getting an Image or getting a Document, it just pulls data
in a mode determined by the Wait mode. That data may be formatted into one
or more Digital Documents, depending on format and contents.

 

I also understand that you suggest that the Scan Service in SM3 be changed
to agree with IPP Scan.

 

Many thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:20 AM
To: William A Wagner; 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org; cloud@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

 

All,

 

IPP Scan can support multiple document jobs.  There are attributes that
allow the printer to declare that capability (
"multiple-document-jobs-supported") as well as operational attributes
("document-number", "last-document") to segment the data pulled from the
scan service into multiple files (i.e. one file per document, number of
images in a file is format and implementation specific).  During the
prototype I used a scanner that emitted JPG or PDF.  When loading a stack of
media into the ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.  The number
of documents objects generated was dictated by output file type.  In the IPP
binding I limited the file to document object association to 1 to 1.  I did
not want to deal with the complexities of associating multiple files with a
single document object.    The abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple
files per document.

 

Running a stack of paper using JPG as the " document-format-accepted"
resulted in a multiple files each of which was associated with a single
document.  Running that same stack of paper using PDF as the
"document-format-accepted" resulted in a single multipage file associated
with a single document.  From the client perspective using
Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit different for each job.  With the JPG
output the responses had a document number that changed throughout the scan
job retrieval.  The number of responses with the same document number varied
based on the complexity of the image.  Each time the document number
changed, the output file is closed and a new one is opened.  The last
Get-Next-Document-Images for the last document in the job set the
"last-document" to true.  In a push job version of this scan job, the same
number of files are created at the destination. With the PDF output the
responses had a document number remained the same throughout the scan job
retrieval.    When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for the job had the
"last-document" to true, the output file was closed.  In a push job version
of this scan job, one file was created at the destination.

 

The MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would be
used locally or remotely.  Therefore the was considerable more control over
the behavior of the scanner itself.  The IPP Scan service simplified a
number of aspects to address the 98% needs for network scanning in a mobile
environment.  I expect the MFD Scan service would be adjusted to better
reflect implementation experience within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the
industry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP Scan, vendor specific scan).

 

Peter Zehler

 

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FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441

 

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From: William A Wagner [ <mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net>
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:15 PM

To: 'Michael Sweet'

Cc: Zehler, Peter;  <mailto:ipp@pwg.org> ipp@pwg.org;
<mailto:cloud@pwg.org> cloud@pwg.org

Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

 

Michael,

 

Thank you for your response.

 

1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that
there can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it
indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore,
Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely states
that, for a multi-document Job,  " Job object contains multiple Document
objects. Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters."

And further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to
specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have intentionally
decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that should be made
clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from
the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for
multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may exist.)

 

2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple
images of a document, and that "last-document" refers to the last image of a
document. But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to
anything other than 'Document Images'?

 

I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I think
the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might expect from
the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, the fact that
for Pull Scan,  the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accepted
and Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple images
document.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Michael Sweet [ <mailto:msweet@apple.com> mailto:msweet@apple.com]

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:12 AM

To: William A Wagner

Cc: Zehler, Peter;  <mailto:ipp@pwg.org> ipp@pwg.org;
<mailto:cloud@pwg.org> cloud@pwg.org

Subject: Re: IPP Scan question.

 

Bill,

 

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <
<mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net> wamwagner@comcast.net>

wrote:

> ...

> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages

operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.

 

I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.

Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more
images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they
are part of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push

scan) as a single file.

> 

> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to 

> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no

need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but
one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.

Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for
each one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes
inconsistent with the general Imaging Service model.

 

In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single
scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital
representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on page

22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar
to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).

 

Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs
(and thus multiple document objects).

 

I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support
multiple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the
overall model - just something worth pointing out.

 

(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOut
service implementations only support single document jobs...)

 

> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in 

> one

scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only
operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages
necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be
in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining
destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or
destinations can be specified for different documents.

 

I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in the
response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here. It
really is (semantically) "last-document-image".

 

Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication,
either the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last
document IMAGE has been reached")?

 

> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined 

> in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it 

> be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]

 

I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a
Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.

> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple 

> documents

in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same
destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a
SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained
the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file;
that would have been consistent with the Model.

 

Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the

destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only
way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of
images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.

> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic 

> Model

(with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we
need to change the semantic model?

 

The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since
SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.

> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up

stuff.

>  

> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and

refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the
specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number
is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.

 

Agreed.

 

> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as

GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages

> 

> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template

Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section
(should it be 8.2?)

> 

> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between

Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.

 

Thanks for catching these!

 

_________________________________________________________

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Pete,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Thanks =
for the correction. A few items for clarification to see if I got it =
right. I would very much appreciate either agreement with or correction =
of my interpretation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Hardcopy document =
refers just to the material that is being scanned and has no other =
correlation to Digital Document. For example, conceivably, a set of =
pages from multiple books could be scanned with the image data =
ultimately appearing in a single document. Alternatively, multiple pages =
for a single hardcopy document could be scanned and appear as multiple =
Digital Documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Image refers to =
the content in a specified scan region of a hardcopy document. Unless =
the scanner is set up to combine the data from multiple scanned images, =
an image cannot refer to more than the content of one sheet side. =
Therefore, for example, a scan job concerned with multiple pages of a =
hardcopy document will contain multiple images.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. There is a 1:1 =
relationship between Digital Documents and files, in that each Digital =
Document is formatted and stored as a separatefile.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. In general, the =
relationship of images to digital documents is format (and perhaps =
implementation) specific. If the 'document-format-accepted' is a =
document format such as PDF, there may be multiple images per document. =
If 'document-format-accepted' is an image format such as JPEG or GIF, =
each image is more likely a separate digital document.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5. In IPP Scan Push =
mode, all Digital Documents produced in a Job are scanned and formatted =
&nbsp;in the same way and stored to the same destination(s), as =
specified in the CreateJob.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; a. If the job produces multiple digital documents, the =
&nbsp;destination is a directory with each Digital Document being a =
separate file in that directory. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; b. If the job produces a single document, the specified =
destination is of the file.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6. In IPP Scan Push =
mode, the client may &nbsp;specify multiple =
destinations.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 7. In IPP Scan Pull =
mode, each digital document produced by a job is sent back to the client =
in response to a GetNextDocumentImage request from the Client. Each =
document may contain data from a single image or from multiple images. =
There may be multiple documents as part of a single job. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; a. Unlike in Push mode, the Compression Accepted and =
Document Format Accepted may be separately specified in each =
<u>GetNextDocumentImage request.</u> <u>(I find this rather odd &#8211; =
especially since each such request does not necessarily correspond to =
either a Document or an image. )<o:p></o:p></u></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; b. The mode of operation of GetNextDocumentImage depends =
upon whether Wait Mode is agreed upon. In Wait mode, data is sent as it =
becomes available and can be accepted. If not in Wait mode (or if Wait =
mode is interrupted or timed out) , the client must issue a =
GetNextDocumentImage for each buffer&#8217;s-worth of =
data.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8. This mode of =
transfer suggests that GetNextDocumentImage does not refer either to =
getting an Image or getting a Document, it just pulls data in a mode =
determined by the Wait mode. That data may be formatted into one or more =
Digital Documents, depending on format and contents.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I also =
understand that you suggest that the Scan Service in SM3 be changed to =
agree with IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Many =
thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Zehler, Peter =
[mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] <br>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 =
9:20 AM<br>To: William A Wagner; 'Michael Sweet'<br>Cc: ipp@pwg.org; =
cloud@pwg.org<br>Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>All,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>IPP =
Scan can support multiple document jobs.&nbsp; There are attributes that =
allow the printer to declare that capability ( =
&quot;multiple-document-jobs-supported&quot;) as well as operational =
attributes (&quot;document-number&quot;, &quot;last-document&quot;) to =
segment the data pulled from the scan service into multiple files (i.e. =
one file per document, number of images in a file is format and =
implementation specific).&nbsp; During the prototype I used a scanner =
that emitted JPG or PDF.&nbsp; When loading a stack of media into the =
ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.&nbsp; The number of =
documents objects generated was dictated by output file type.&nbsp; In =
the IPP binding I limited the file to document object association to 1 =
to 1.&nbsp; I did not want to deal with the complexities of associating =
multiple files with a single document object.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple files per =
document.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Running a stack of paper using JPG as the &quot; =
document-format-accepted&quot; resulted in a multiple files each of =
which was associated with a single document.&nbsp; Running that same =
stack of paper using PDF as the &quot;document-format-accepted&quot; =
resulted in a single multipage file associated with a single =
document.&nbsp; From the client perspective using =
Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit different for each job.&nbsp; =
With the JPG output the responses had a document number that changed =
throughout the scan job retrieval.&nbsp; The number of responses with =
the same document number varied based on the complexity of the =
image.&nbsp; Each time the document number changed, the output file is =
closed and a new one is opened.&nbsp; The last Get-Next-Document-Images =
for the last document in the job set the &quot;last-document&quot; to =
true.&nbsp; In a push job version of this scan job, the same number of =
files are created at the destination. With the PDF output the responses =
had a document number remained the same throughout the scan job =
retrieval.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for =
the job had the &quot;last-document&quot; to true, the output file was =
closed.&nbsp; In a push job version of this scan job, one file was =
created at the destination.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>The =
MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would be =
used locally or remotely.&nbsp; Therefore the was considerable more =
control over the behavior of the scanner itself.&nbsp; The IPP Scan =
service simplified a number of aspects to address the 98% needs for =
network scanning in a mobile environment.&nbsp; I expect the MFD Scan =
service would be adjusted to better reflect implementation experience =
within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the industry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP =
Scan, vendor specific scan).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Peter =
Zehler<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>PARC, A Xerox Company<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Webster NY, 14580-9701<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</s=
pan></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Office: +1 (585) =
265-8755<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Mobile: +1 (585) =
329-9508<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>FAX: +1 (585) =
265-7441<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>From: William A Wagner [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:wamwagner@comcast.=
net</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, =
September 25, 2014 2:15 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: =
'Michael Sweet'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Cc: Zehler, Peter; =
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>cloud@pwg.org</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: RE: IPP Scan =
question.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Michael,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Thank =
you for your response.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>1. I =
agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that there =
can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it =
indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore, =
Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely =
states that, for a multi-document Job,&nbsp; &quot; Job object contains =
multiple Document objects. Each Document can have a different set of =
processing parameters.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>And =
further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to =
specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have =
intentionally decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that =
should be made clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to =
eliminate them from the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling =
Use Case for multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may =
exist.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>2. I get your explanation that =
Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple images of a document, and =
that &quot;last-document&quot; refers to the last image of a document. =
But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to =
anything other than 'Document Images'?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I =
think the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might =
expect from the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, =
the fact that for Pull Scan,&nbsp; the GetNextDocumentImages can =
redefine Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted for each =
image of potentially multiple images document.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Bill =
Wagner <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>From: Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:msweet@apple.com</=
span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, =
September 25, 2014 9:12 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: =
William A Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Cc: Zehler, =
Peter; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>cloud@pwg.org</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: Re: IPP Scan =
question.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>wamwagner@comcast.net</sp=
an></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; It is also clear from the =
IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>operation that a scan job can have multiple =
documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>I don't think these are multiple document objects, =
however.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Get-Next-Document-Images =
is a convenient way to pull one or more images/pages from the scanner, =
but from the point of view of the model they are part of one document =
object and would be delivered (in the case of push<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>scan) as a single file.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; The Cloud conference call =
comment is that&nbsp; FetchJob (corresponding to <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Destination,&nbsp; DestinationAccesses, =
and&nbsp; InputElements for Scan with no<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>need to have a FetchDocument operation.&nbsp; =
This&nbsp; suggests that there is but one document (possibly with =
multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Alternatively,&nbsp; it may be that the Input =
Parameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are =
defined in the CreateJob.&nbsp; This seemes inconsistent with the =
general Imaging Service model.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>In the =
case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single scan =
job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital =
representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.&nbsp; Figure =
3 on page<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>22 of the MFD Scan spec =
seems pretty clear on that point.&nbsp; This is similar to how the Copy =
and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Print, =
FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs (and =
thus multiple document objects).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support =
multiple document objects and some don't.&nbsp; But I don't think that =
hurts the overall model - just something worth pointing =
out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning =
that most Print and FaxOut service implementations only support single =
document jobs...)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; one<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>scan job.&nbsp; However, Figure 1 can be =
interpreted to mean that&nbsp; the only operation necessary for Scan is =
a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan =
Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob request =
as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; but it =
does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations can =
be specified for different documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
think the choice of reusing the &quot;last-document&quot; operation =
attribute in the response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is =
causing confusion here. It really is (semantically) =
&quot;last-document-image&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Pete, =
do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication, =
either the attribute name or the description (&quot;indicating that the =
last document IMAGE has been reached&quot;)?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
[Also,&nbsp; Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are =
defined <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; in CreateJob, but =
also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; be assumed that requests in =
GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a =
Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Do I =
correctly understand that, although there may be multiple =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; documents<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>in a scan job, they must all have the same =
InputAttributes and the same destination(s)?&nbsp; An alternate approach =
might have been to send&nbsp; a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each =
document to be scanned, which contained the input parameters and =
destination for each specific document/image file; that would have been =
consistent with the Model.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Currently you scan whatever is at the input source =
and send it to the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>destination(s) =
or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.&nbsp; The only way to =
break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of =
images for each job in the &quot;input-images-to-transfer&quot; member =
attribute.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should =
reflect the Semantic <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Model<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>(with which we should bet be =
consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we need to change the =
semantic model?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>The =
intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since =
SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Also, =
a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking =
up<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>stuff.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.&nbsp; I take it that =
this&nbsp; means to have the specification refer to itself, but it is =
confusing even if the proper number is inserted. Better to refer to the =
internal paragraph.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Figure 1 refers to the operation as<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>GetNextDocumentImage rather than =
GetNextDocumentImages<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Attributes is a reference to section =
8.28.1.7.2.&nbsp; There is no such section (should it be =
8.2?)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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Hi,

I've just posted a new draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Services to:


ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09-20140928.txt
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This document *has been* submitted to the IETF I-D repository.

This document was created by revising the original LDAP Schema for
Printer Services [RFC3712].

Cheers,
- Ira

---------------------------------------

Change History

   28 September 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09.txt
   Editorial - Changed "Intended Status" as "Informational", per advice
   of Barry Leiba on 18 August 2014.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br></di=
v><div><br></div>I&#39;ve just <span>posted</span> a new draft of <span>LDA=
P</span> Schema for <span><span><span><span><span>Printer</span></span></sp=
an></span></span> Services to:<br>


<br>=C2=A0<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-p=
rinter-schema-09-20140928.txt" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/=
ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09-20140928.txt</a><br>
 =C2=A0- plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formf=
eed characters)<br>
<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-prin=
ter-schema-09-20140928.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp=
/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09-20140928.pdf</a><br><br>
 =C2=A0- line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, plea=
se<br><br>This document *has been* <span>submitted</span> to the IETF I-D r=
epository.<br></div>
</div></div>
<br>
This document was created by revising the original <span><span><span><span>=
<span><span><span>LDAP</span></span></span></span></span></span></span> Sch=
ema for <br><span><span><span><span><span>Printer</span></span></span></spa=
n></span> Services [RFC3712].<br>




<br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br>
<br>---------------------------------------<br><br></div>Change History<br>=
<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 28 September 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09.=
txt <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Editorial - Changed &quot;Intended Status&quot; as &qu=
ot;Informational&quot;, per advice<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 of Barry Leiba on 18 Aug=
ust 2014.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Editorial - Revised Abstract, Boilerplate,=
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Hi,

I've just posted another Internet-Draft of IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding
and
'ipps' URI Scheme to:


ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14-20140928.txt
 - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed
characters)


ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14-20140928.pdf
 - PDF of plaintext w/ line numbers (review *this* one)

This document has already been accepted and posted to the IETF I-D
repository.

This document is parallel to, but does not update or obsolete, RFC 3510.

This version has *minor* editorial changes since the previous version.

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira

--------------------------------

Change History

   28 September 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14.txt
   Editorial - Kept "Intended Status" as "Standards Track", with AD
   sponsoring, per advice of Barry Leiba on 18 August 2014.
   Editorial - Revised Abstract, Boilerplate, and Introduction to state
   that this document is an Independent Submission to the RFC Editor
   Stream with IETF AD sponsoring, per advice of Barry Leiba on 18
   August 2014.
   Technical - Revised section 3 IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding, to
   require TLS/1.2, or later TLS version, for all 'ipps' connections,
   per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.
   Technical - Revised section 7.2.1 Faked 'ipps' URI and section 7.2.2
   Unauthorized Access by IPP Client, to delete all references to
   TLS/1.0 and TLS/1.1, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.
   Technical - Renamed section 7.3 TLS Cipher Suite Requirements to TLS
   Version Requirements and deleted all requirements for specific cipher
   suites, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.
   Technical - Revised section 9.1 Normative References, to delete all
   references to TLS/1.0 and TLS/1.1, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<br><br>I&#39;ve just <span>posted</sp=
an> another Internet-<span>Draft</span> of <span><span><span>IPP</span></sp=
an></span> over HTTPS Transport Binding and<br>&#39;<span><span><span><span=
><span><span><span>ipps</span></span></span></span></span></span></span>&#3=
9;<span></span> <span><span><span><span><span><span><span>URI</span></span>=
</span></span></span></span></span> <span>Scheme</span> to:<br>








<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-=
scheme-14-20140928.txt" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/=
draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14-20140928.txt</a><br>
 =C2=A0- plaintext Internet-<span>Draft</span> format (warning - contains e=
xplicit formfeed characters)<br>
<br>

 =C2=A0<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-=
scheme-14-20140928.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/=
draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14-20140928.pdf</a><br>

 =C2=A0- PDF of plaintext w/ line numbers (review *this* one)<br><br>
 This document has already been accepted and <span>posted</span> to the IET=
F I-D repository.<br><br></div><div>This document is parallel to, but does =
not update or obsolete, RFC 3510.<br><br>
This version has *minor* editorial changes since the previous version.<br>
</div><br>
Comments?<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br>--------------------------------<b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Change History<br><br></div></=
div></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0=C2=A0 28 September 2014 - draft-mcdo=
nald-ipps-uri-scheme-14.txt <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Editorial - Kept &quot;Intende=
d Status&quot; as &quot;Standards Track&quot;, with AD<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 spon=
soring, per advice of Barry Leiba on 18 August 2014.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Editorial - Revised Abstract, Boilerplate, and Introduction to state <br>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 that this document is an Independent Submission to the RFC Edi=
tor<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Stream with IETF AD sponsoring, per advice of Barry Lei=
ba on 18<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 August 2014.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Technical - Re=
vised section 3 IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding, to<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 requir=
e TLS/1.2, or later TLS version, for all &#39;ipps&#39; connections,<br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Technical=
 - Revised section 7.2.1 Faked &#39;ipps&#39; URI and section 7.2.2 <br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Unauthorized Access by IPP Client, to delete all references to<br=
>=C2=A0=C2=A0 TLS/1.0 and TLS/1.1, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=C2=A0 <=
br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Technical - Renamed section 7.3 TLS Cipher Suite Requiremen=
ts to TLS <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Version Requirements and deleted all requirement=
s for specific cipher<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 suites, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG revi=
ew.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Technical - Revised section 9.1 Normative Refere=
nces, to delete all<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 references to TLS/1.0 and TLS/1.1, per =
IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.<br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div st=
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Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and Agenda Review
 - Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140915.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike)
* IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira)
- <http://goog_2065877433>
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14-20140928.pdf
-- Stable draft - updated boilerplate - see below
-- sent to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)
-- schedule - TBD per RFC Editor

* LDAP Printer Schema (Ira)
-
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09-20140928.pdf
-- Stable draft - updated boilerplate - see below
-- sent to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)
-- schedule - TBD per RFC Editor

* IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification (SELFCERT) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140826-rev.pdf
 -- Prototype draft - waiting for prototype and beta test reports
-- reviewed by IPP WG on 08/25
-- beta tools released on 08/28 (OS X/Linux) and 09/02 (Windows)
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (INFRA) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports
-- reviewed at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0 (IG) (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports
-- reviewed at PWG F2F in August
-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014

* IPP Finishings/2.0 (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701-rev.pdf
 -- Prototoype draft - prototype report on 06/19
-- PWG Last Call (ended 09/12/14) - quorum achieved - 80+ comments
-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q4 2014

(4) Status of IPP Scan (Pete Zehler)
 - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140917.pdf
-- Stable draft - IPP WG reviewed on 09/11/14
-- PWG Last Call (ended 07/21/14)
-- reviewed by IPP WG on 09/15/14
-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote (ends 10/17/14)

(5) Status of IPP WG Charter (Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/charter/ch-ipp-charter-20140925.pdf
-- PWG Approved by PWG SC on 09/25/14

(6) Review of IPP IANA Registry Policy (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-registry-policy-20140915.pdf
-- Interim draft - IPP WG should review new changes
-- updated per IPP WG review on 09/11/14
-- for implementation in IANA IPP registry (see Mike's email)

(7) Review of IPP System Control Service (Mike/Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20140824-rev.pdf
-- Interim draft - complete operations and attributes lists (see change log)

(8) Next steps
 - IPP WG call on Monday 20 October (13 October is US Columbus Day)
-- Note - TCG F2F meeting on 20-24 October 2014 - conflict
- IPP WG session on Tuesday 4 November at 1-5pm US Eastern

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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/span></span>:<br>

(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and Agenda Review<br>





</div><div>
- Mike as minute taker?<br>


</div><div><br>(2) Approve <span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>=
<span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> mi=
nutes from previous meetings<br>




</div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-2=
0140915.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2=
-concall-minutes-20140915.pdf</a><br>
<div>
<br></div><div>(3) Status of various <span><span><span><span><span>IPP</spa=
n></span></span></span></span> documents (Ira/Mike)<br><span>* IETF <span><=
span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span></span> over HTTPS Bi=
nding and &#39;ipps&#39; URI Scheme</span> (Ira)



<div>- <a href=3D"http://goog_2065877433" target=3D"_blank"><span></span></=
a><a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-sche=
me-14-20140928.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/dra=
ft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-14-20140928.pdf</a>
</div><span></span><div>
-- <span></span><span>Stable draft</span> - updated boilerplate - see below=
<br></div>-- sent to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)<br></=
div><div>-- schedule - TBD per RFC Editor<br></div><div><br>* LDAP Printer =
Schema (Ira)<br>




<div>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-prin=
ter-schema-09-20140928.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp=
/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-09-20140928.pdf</a>



</div><div>

-- <span></span><span>Stable draft</span> - updated boilerplate - see below=
</div>-- sent to RFC Editor Stream per Barry Leiba (IETF Apps AD)<br>-- sch=
edule - TBD per RFC Editor<br><br><div>* <span><span><span><span><span>IPP<=
/span></span></span></span></span> Everywhere Printer Self-Certification (S=
ELFCERT) (Mike)<br>




- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140826=
-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveself=
cert10-20140826-rev.pdf</a><span></span><br></div><div>

</div>
-- Prototype draft - waiting for prototype and beta test reports<br></div><=
div>-- reviewed by IPP WG on 08/25<br></div><div>-- beta tools released on =
08/28 (OS X/Linux) and 09/02 (Windows)<br>-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 20=
14<br>

<br><div>* <span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span> Shared I=
nfrastructure Extensions (INFRA) (Mike)<br>



- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf=
" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-=
rev.pdf</a><br>

-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports<br><div>-- reviewed at =
PWG F2F in August</div>-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014</div><div><br></=
div><div><div>* <span><span>IPP</span></span> Implementor&#39;s Guide v2.0 =
(IG) (Smith)<br><div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-rev.pdf"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140814-re=
v.pdf</a><br>-- Prototoype draft - waiting for prototype reports<br>-- revi=
ewed at PWG F2F in August<br>



-- schedule - PWG Last Call Q4 2014</div><br>* <span><span>IPP</span></span=
> Finishings/2.0 (Mike)<br>
- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140701-r=
ev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<span>ipp</span>/wd/wd-=
ippfinishings20-20140701-rev.pdf</a><br>





<div>
-- Prototoype draft - prototype report on 06/19<br></div><div>-- <span>PWG<=
/span> Last Call (ended 09/12/14) - quorum achieved - 80+ comments<br></div=
><div>-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote Q4 2014</div><br>(4) <span>Status of IP=
P</span> Scan (Pete Zehler)<br>

<div>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140917.pdf" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140917.pd=
f</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></div><div>-- Stable d=
raft - IPP WG reviewed on 09/11/14<br>

-- PWG Last Call (ended 07/21/14)<br>-- reviewed by IPP WG on 09/15/14<br><=
/div>-- schedule - PWG Formal Vote (ends 10/17/14)<br><br></div><div>(5) St=
atus of IPP WG Charter (Ira)<br></div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/=
pub/pwg/ipp/charter/ch-ipp-charter-20140925.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://f=
tp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/charter/ch-ipp-charter-20140925.pdf</a><br>
</div><div></div><div>-- PWG Approved by PWG SC on 09/25/14<br><br></div><d=
iv>(6) Review of IPP IANA Registry Policy (Mike)<br></div><div>- <a href=3D=
"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-registry-policy-20140915.pdf" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-registry-policy-201=
40915.pdf</a><br>-- Interim draft - IPP WG should review new changes<br></d=
iv><div>-- updated per IPP WG review on 09/11/14<br>
</div><div>-- for implementation in IANA IPP registry (see Mike&#39;s email=
)<br><br></div><div>(7) Review of IPP System Control Service (Mike/Ira)<br>=
</div><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20=
140824-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipps=
ystem10-20140824-rev.pdf</a><br>
</div><div>-- Interim draft - complete operations and attributes lists (see=
 change log)<br></div><div><br></div>(8) Next steps<span><span></span></spa=
n></div>
</div><div><span></span></div><div><span></span>
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Bill,
My responses are in-line below.
Pete

Peter Zehler

PARC, A Xerox Company
800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441

From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:19 PM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.


Pete,

Thanks for the correction. A few items for clarification to see if I got it=
 right. I would very much appreciate either agreement with or correction of=
 my interpretation.

1.  Hardcopy document refers just to the material that is being scanned and=
 has no other correlation to Digital Document. For example, conceivably, a =
set of pages from multiple books could be scanned with the image data ultim=
ately appearing in a single document. Alternatively, multiple pages for a s=
ingle hardcopy document could be scanned and appear as multiple Digital Doc=
uments.

2.  <PZ>Correct</PZ>

3.  Image refers to the content in a specified scan region of a hardcopy do=
cument. Unless the scanner is set up to combine the data from multiple scan=
ned images, an image cannot refer to more than the content of one sheet sid=
e. Therefore, for example, a scan job concerned with multiple pages of a ha=
rdcopy document will contain multiple images.

4.  <PZ>Correct</PZ>

      3. There is a 1:1 relationship between Digital Documents and files, i=
n that each Digital Document is formatted and stored as a separate file.

<PZ>That is true of the IPP binding for Network Scanning.  The MFD Network =
Scan model permitted more than one file to be associated with a Digital Doc=
ument.  We never discussed the packaging of a multi-file Digital Document. =
 We could add a "run list" that referenced all the files or we could, as I =
did in an early prototype, collect all the image files for a Digital Docume=
nt into a folder and the Document Object would reference the folder.   It w=
ill be up to the SM 3 group to determine what will be done with the SM3 Net=
work Scan specification.  The SM3 model can be simplified or there could be=
 an "IPP Production Scanning Set 1" drafted. :)</PZ>

5.  In general, the relationship of images to digital documents is format (=
and perhaps implementation) specific. If the 'document-format-accepted' is =
a document format such as PDF, there may be multiple images per document. I=
f 'document-format-accepted' is an image format such as JPEG or GIF, each i=
mage is more likely a separate digital document.

6.  <PZ>That is correct, I think.  As far as I know there is no multipage J=
PEG format.</PZ>

      5. In IPP Scan Push mode, all Digital Documents produced in a Job are=
 scanned and formatted  in the same way and stored to the same destination(=
s), as specified in the CreateJob.

<PZ>Not necessarily, the client could specify multiple acceptable formats. =
 I see no limitation preventing a smart scan service storing content that c=
ontains text in a pdf document and photos in jpeg files. The usual case wou=
ld be to consistently store all the Digital Documents produced in the Job.<=
/PZ>

a.  If the job produces multiple digital documents, the  destination is a d=
irectory with each Digital Document being a separate file in that directory=
.

<PZ>Correct, it would be an error to specify a file as a destination for a =
multi-paged Digital Document.  The error would something like "conflicting-=
attributes" or "document-access-error"</PZ>

b.  If the job produces a single document, the specified destination is of =
the file.

<PZ>If it is a file that is where the Digital Document is stored.  If it is=
 a directory, a file would be created in that directory to hold the Digital=
 Document.</PZ>

7.  In IPP Scan Push mode, the client may  specify multiple destinations.

<PZ>Yes.</PZ>

8.  In IPP Scan Pull mode, each digital document produced by a job is sent =
back to the client in response to a GetNextDocumentImage request from the C=
lient. Each document may contain data from a single image or from multiple =
images. There may be multiple documents as part of a single job.

<PZ>Yes</PZ>

a.  Unlike in Push mode, the Compression Accepted and Document Format Accep=
ted may be separately specified in each GetNextDocumentImage request. (I fi=
nd this rather odd - especially since each such request does not necessaril=
y correspond to either a Document or an image. )

<PZ>While this is true I would not expect the client to change the acceptab=
le format/compression throughout the exchange.  I believe it is the Scan Se=
rvice that is in control of the format/compression as the Digital Document =
is being delivered.  The acceptable format/compression operational attribut=
es for the "Get-Next-Document-Images" Request could be deleted from the spe=
cification without any problems.  It would probably remove some confusion. =
 The format/compression attributes in the response and in the "Create-Job" =
request</PZ>

b.  The mode of operation of GetNextDocumentImage depends upon whether Wait=
 Mode is agreed upon. In Wait mode, data is sent as it becomes available an=
d can be accepted. If not in Wait mode (or if Wait mode is interrupted or t=
imed out) , the client must issue a GetNextDocumentImage for each buffer's-=
worth of data.

<PZ>Yes, it is a choice between synchronous and asynchronous network operat=
ions.</PZ>

      8. This mode of transfer suggests that GetNextDocumentImage does not =
refer either to getting an Image or getting a Document, it just pulls data =
in a mode determined by the Wait mode. That data may be formatted into one =
or more Digital Documents, depending on format and contents.
<PZ>While that is true we had to call it something.  We went through a coup=
le of name changes.  In IPP it's just "0x004A".  It is pulling the data for=
 an image(s) within a document.  Subsequent responses may pull the data for=
 an image(s) from within another document    I'd prefer not to entertain co=
smetic changes at this time.</PZ>



I also understand that you suggest that the Scan Service in SM3 be changed =
to agree with IPP Scan.

<PZ>.As previously stated, it will be up to the SM 3 group to determine wha=
t will be done with the SM3 Network Scan specification.  The SM3 model can =
be simplified or there could be an "IPP Production Scanning Set 1" drafted.=
 :)</PZ>



Many thanks,

Bill Wagner



-----Original Message-----
From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:20 AM
To: William A Wagner; 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>; cloud@pwg.org<mailto:cloud@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.



All,



IPP Scan can support multiple document jobs.  There are attributes that all=
ow the printer to declare that capability ( "multiple-document-jobs-support=
ed") as well as operational attributes ("document-number", "last-document")=
 to segment the data pulled from the scan service into multiple files (i.e.=
 one file per document, number of images in a file is format and implementa=
tion specific).  During the prototype I used a scanner that emitted JPG or =
PDF.  When loading a stack of media into the ADF each image acquisition res=
ulted in an image.  The number of documents objects generated was dictated =
by output file type.  In the IPP binding I limited the file to document obj=
ect association to 1 to 1.  I did not want to deal with the complexities of=
 associating multiple files with a single document object.    The abstract =
MFD Scan model did allow multiple files per document.



Running a stack of paper using JPG as the " document-format-accepted" resul=
ted in a multiple files each of which was associated with a single document=
.  Running that same stack of paper using PDF as the "document-format-accep=
ted" resulted in a single multipage file associated with a single document.=
  From the client perspective using Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit =
different for each job.  With the JPG output the responses had a document n=
umber that changed throughout the scan job retrieval.  The number of respon=
ses with the same document number varied based on the complexity of the ima=
ge.  Each time the document number changed, the output file is closed and a=
 new one is opened.  The last Get-Next-Document-Images for the last documen=
t in the job set the "last-document" to true.  In a push job version of thi=
s scan job, the same number of files are created at the destination. With t=
he PDF output the responses had a document number remained the same through=
out the scan job retrieval.    When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for t=
he job had the "last-document" to true, the output file was closed.  In a p=
ush job version of this scan job, one file was created at the destination.



The MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would b=
e used locally or remotely.  Therefore the was considerable more control ov=
er the behavior of the scanner itself.  The IPP Scan service simplified a n=
umber of aspects to address the 98% needs for network scanning in a mobile =
environment.  I expect the MFD Scan service would be adjusted to better ref=
lect implementation experience within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the i=
ndustry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP Scan, vendor specific scan).



Peter Zehler



PARC, A Xerox Company

800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E

Webster NY, 14580-9701

Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>

Office: +1 (585) 265-8755

Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508

FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441



-----Original Message-----

From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:15 PM

To: 'Michael Sweet'

Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>; cloud@pwg.org<mailto:cl=
oud@pwg.org>

Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.



Michael,



Thank you for your response.



1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that the=
re can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it indic=
ates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore, Figure =
4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely states that, =
for a multi-document Job,  " Job object contains multiple Document objects.=
 Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters."

And further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to =
specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have intentionally =
decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that should be made cle=
ar. I think it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from the =
SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for multi-document S=
can Jobs, although some may exist.)



2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple =
images of a document, and that "last-document" refers to the last image of =
a document. But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer=
 to anything other than 'Document Images'?



I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I thin=
k the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might expect fr=
om the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, the fact tha=
t for Pull Scan,  the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accept=
ed and Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple imag=
es document.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner





-----Original Message-----

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:12 AM

To: William A Wagner

Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>; cloud@pwg.org<mailto:cl=
oud@pwg.org>

Subject: Re: IPP Scan question.



Bill,



> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net<mail=
to:wamwagner@comcast.net>>

wrote:

> ...

> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages

operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.



I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.

Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more images/pag=
es from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they are part =
of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push

scan) as a single file.



>

> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to

> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no

need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but o=
ne document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.

Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for ea=
ch one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes inc=
onsistent with the general Imaging Service model.



In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single =
scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital=
 representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on pa=
ge

22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar =
to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).



Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs (=
and thus multiple document objects).



I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support multi=
ple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the over=
all model - just something worth pointing out.



(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOu=
t service implementations only support single document jobs...)



> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in

> one

scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only oper=
ation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessa=
ry if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in th=
e CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining des=
tination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or dest=
inations can be specified for different documents.



I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in th=
e response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here.=
 It really is (semantically) "last-document-image".



Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication, ei=
ther the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last docum=
ent IMAGE has been reached")?



> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined

> in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it

> be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]



I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a P=
ush Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.



> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple

> documents

in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same des=
tination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a SetDocumentA=
ttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained the input p=
arameters and destination for each specific document/image file; that would=
 have been consistent with the Model.



Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the

destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only =
way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of=
 images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.



> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic

> Model

(with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we =
need to change the semantic model?



The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, sinc=
e SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.



> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up

stuff.

>

> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and

refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the specificat=
ion refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number is inser=
ted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.



Agreed.



> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as

GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages

>

> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template

Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section =
(should it be 8.2?)

>

> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between

Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.



Thanks for catching these!



_________________________________________________________

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">My responses are in-li=
ne below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">PARC, A Xerox Company</span><span style=3D"col=
or:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E</span><span style=3D"=
color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.c=
om"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Office: &#43;1 (585) 265-8755<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Mobile: &#43;1 (585) 329-9508<=
/span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">FAX: &#43;1 (585) 265-7441</span><span style=
=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> William =
A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 26, 2014 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Pete,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thanks for the correction. A few items for clarif=
ication to see if I got it right. I would very much appreciate either agree=
ment with or correction of my interpretation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Hardcopy document refers just to the material that =
is being scanned and has no other correlation to Digital Document. For exam=
ple, conceivably, a set of pages from multiple books could be scanned with =
the image data ultimately appearing
 in a single document. Alternatively, multiple pages for a single hardcopy =
document could be scanned and appear as multiple Digital Documents.<o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Corr=
ect&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Image refers to the content in a specified scan reg=
ion of a hardcopy document. Unless the scanner is set up to combine the dat=
a from multiple scanned images, an image cannot refer to more than the cont=
ent of one sheet side. Therefore,
 for example, a scan job concerned with multiple pages of a hardcopy docume=
nt will contain multiple images.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">4.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Corr=
ect&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. There is a 1:1 =
relationship between Digital Documents and files, in that each Digital Docu=
ment is formatted and stored as a separate file.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;That is true=
 of the IPP binding for Network Scanning.&nbsp; The MFD Network Scan model =
permitted more than one file to be associated with a Digital Document.&nbsp=
;
 We never discussed the packaging of a multi-file Digital Document.&nbsp; W=
e could add a &#8220;run list&#8221; that referenced all the files or we co=
uld, as I did in an early prototype, collect all the image files for a Digi=
tal Document into a folder and the Document Object
 would reference the folder.&nbsp; &nbsp;It will be up to the SM 3 group to=
 determine what will be done with the SM3 Network Scan specification.&nbsp;=
 The SM3 model can be simplified or there could be an &#8220;IPP Production=
 Scanning Set 1&#8221; drafted.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">5.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>In general, the relationship of images to digital d=
ocuments is format (and perhaps implementation) specific. If the 'document-=
format-accepted' is a document format such as PDF, there may be multiple im=
ages per document. If 'document-format-accepted'
 is an image format such as JPEG or GIF, each image is more likely a separa=
te digital document.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">6.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;That=
 is correct, I think.&nbsp; As far as I know there is no multipage JPEG for=
mat.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5. In IPP Scan Pus=
h mode, all Digital Documents produced in a Job are scanned and formatted &=
nbsp;in the same way and stored to the same destination(s), as specified in=
 the CreateJob.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Not necessar=
ily, the client could specify multiple acceptable formats.&nbsp; I see no l=
imitation preventing a smart scan service storing content that contains
 text in a pdf document and photos in jpeg files. The usual case would be t=
o consistently store all the Digital Documents produced in the Job.&lt;/PZ&=
gt;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>If the job produces multiple digital documents, the=
 &nbsp;destination is a directory with each Digital Document being a separa=
te file in that directory.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in"><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Correct, it would be an error to specify a file as a de=
stination for a multi-paged Digital Document.&nbsp; The error would somethi=
ng like &#8220;conflicting-attributes&#8221; or &#8220;document-access-erro=
r&#8221;&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>If the job produces a single document, the specifie=
d destination is of the file.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in"><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;If it is a file that is where the Digital Document is s=
tored.&nbsp; If it is a directory, a file would be created in that director=
y to hold the Digital Document.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">7.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>In IPP Scan Push mode, the client may &nbsp;specify=
 multiple destinations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:=
#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Yes.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">8.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>In IPP Scan Pull mode, each digital document produc=
ed by a job is sent back to the client in response to a GetNextDocumentImag=
e request from the Client. Each document may contain data from a single ima=
ge or from multiple images. There
 may be multiple documents as part of a single job. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:=
#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Yes&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Unlike in Push mode, the Compression Accepted and D=
ocument Format Accepted may be separately specified in each
<u>GetNextDocumentImage request.</u> <u>(I find this rather odd &#8211; esp=
ecially since each such request does not necessarily correspond to either a=
 Document or an image. )<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in"><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;While this is true I would not expect the client to cha=
nge the acceptable format/compression throughout the exchange.&nbsp; I beli=
eve it is the Scan Service that is in control of
 the format/compression as the Digital Document is being delivered.&nbsp; T=
he acceptable format/compression operational attributes for the &#8220;Get-=
Next-Document-Images&#8221; Request could be deleted from the specification=
 without any problems.&nbsp; It would probably remove
 some confusion.&nbsp; The format/compression attributes in the response an=
d in the &#8220;Create-Job&#8221; request&lt;/PZ&gt;<u><o:p></o:p></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>The mode of operation of GetNextDocumentImage depen=
ds upon whether Wait Mode is agreed upon. In Wait mode, data is sent as it =
becomes available and can be accepted. If not in Wait mode (or if Wait mode=
 is interrupted or timed out) ,
 the client must issue a GetNextDocumentImage for each buffer&#8217;s-worth=
 of data.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:1.25in"><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;Yes, it is a choice between synchronous and asynchronou=
s network operations.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8. This mode of tr=
ansfer suggests that GetNextDocumentImage does not refer either to getting =
an Image or getting a Document, it just pulls data in a mode determined by =
the Wait mode. That data may be formatted into one or more
 Digital Documents, depending on format and contents.<span style=3D"color:#=
1F497D"><br>
&lt;PZ&gt;While that is true we had to call it something.&nbsp; We went thr=
ough a couple of name changes.&nbsp; In IPP it&#8217;s just &#8220;0x004A&#=
8221;.&nbsp; It is pulling the data for an image(s) within a document.&nbsp=
; Subsequent responses may pull the data for an image(s) from within anothe=
r
 document &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#8217;d prefer not to entertain cosmetic chan=
ges at this time.&lt;/PZ&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I also understand that you suggest that the Scan =
Service in SM3 be changed to agree with IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&lt;PZ&gt;.As previous=
ly stated, it will be up to the SM 3 group to determine what will be done w=
ith the SM3 Network Scan specification.&nbsp; The SM3 model can be
 simplified or there could be an &#8220;IPP Production Scanning Set 1&#8221=
; drafted. </span>
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Zehler, Peter [<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">mailto:Peter=
.Zehler@xerox.com</a>]
<br>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:20 AM<br>
To: William A Wagner; 'Michael Sweet'<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:cloud=
@pwg.org">
cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">IPP Scan can support multiple document jobs.&nbsp=
; There are attributes that allow the printer to declare that capability ( =
&quot;multiple-document-jobs-supported&quot;) as well as operational attrib=
utes (&quot;document-number&quot;, &quot;last-document&quot;) to segment
 the data pulled from the scan service into multiple files (i.e. one file p=
er document, number of images in a file is format and implementation specif=
ic).&nbsp; During the prototype I used a scanner that emitted JPG or PDF.&n=
bsp; When loading a stack of media into the
 ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.&nbsp; The number of docum=
ents objects generated was dictated by output file type.&nbsp; In the IPP b=
inding I limited the file to document object association to 1 to 1.&nbsp; I=
 did not want to deal with the complexities of
 associating multiple files with a single document object.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; The abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple files per document.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Running a stack of paper using JPG as the &quot; =
document-format-accepted&quot; resulted in a multiple files each of which w=
as associated with a single document.&nbsp; Running that same stack of pape=
r using PDF as the &quot;document-format-accepted&quot; resulted
 in a single multipage file associated with a single document.&nbsp; From t=
he client perspective using Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit differen=
t for each job.&nbsp; With the JPG output the responses had a document numb=
er that changed throughout the scan job retrieval.&nbsp;
 The number of responses with the same document number varied based on the =
complexity of the image.&nbsp; Each time the document number changed, the o=
utput file is closed and a new one is opened.&nbsp; The last Get-Next-Docum=
ent-Images for the last document in the job
 set the &quot;last-document&quot; to true.&nbsp; In a push job version of =
this scan job, the same number of files are created at the destination. Wit=
h the PDF output the responses had a document number remained the same thro=
ughout the scan job retrieval.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When the last
 Get-Next-Document-Images for the job had the &quot;last-document&quot; to =
true, the output file was closed.&nbsp; In a push job version of this scan =
job, one file was created at the destination.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">The MFD Scan model was created with the idea that=
 the same protocol would be used locally or remotely.&nbsp; Therefore the w=
as considerable more control over the behavior of the scanner itself.&nbsp;=
 The IPP Scan service simplified a number of
 aspects to address the 98% needs for network scanning in a mobile environm=
ent.&nbsp; I expect the MFD Scan service would be adjusted to better reflec=
t implementation experience within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the indu=
stry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP Scan, vendor
 specific scan).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Peter Zehler<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">PARC, A Xerox Company<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Webster NY, 14580-9701<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Email: <a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">=
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.co=
m</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Office: &#43;1 (585) 265-8755<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Mobile: &#43;1 (585) 329-9508<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">FAX: &#43;1 (585) 265-7441<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">From: William A Wagner [<a href=3D"mailto:wamwagn=
er@comcast.net"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailt=
o:wamwagner@comcast.net</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:15 PM<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">To: 'Michael Sweet'<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Cc: Zehler, Peter; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org"=
><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ipp@pwg.org</span></=
a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decor=
ation:none">cloud@pwg.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Michael,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thank you for your response.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec def=
initely indicates that there can be multiple images in one scan document; I=
 do not see where it indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a=
 job. Furthermore, Figure 4 of that
 same document (with the associated text) definitely states that, for a mul=
ti-document Job,&nbsp; &quot; Job object contains multiple Document objects=
. Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters.&quot;<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">And further that the Scan Service semantic model =
may allow the End User to specify a multi-document Job as a service output.=
 If we have intentionally decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IP=
P, that should be made clear. I think
 it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from the SM3. (Incid=
entally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for multi-document Scan Jobs, a=
lthough some may exist.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-=
Images refers to multiple images of a document, and that &quot;last-documen=
t&quot; refers to the last image of a document. But these are names are mis=
leading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to anything
 other than 'Document Images'?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan do=
cument earlier, but I think the one document per job characteristic, despit=
e what one might expect from the names, should be made more clear. Also, as=
 you suggest, the fact that for Pull
 Scan,&nbsp; the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accepted an=
d Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple images do=
cument.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Bill Wagner <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">From: Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@app=
le.com"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:msweet=
@apple.com</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:12 AM<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">To: William A Wagner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Cc: Zehler, Peter; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org"=
><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ipp@pwg.org</span></=
a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decor=
ation:none">cloud@pwg.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: IPP Scan question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagne=
r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net"><span style=3D"color:windowt=
ext;text-decoration:none">wamwagner@comcast.net</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; It is also clear from the IPP Scan specifica=
tion GetNextDocumentImages<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">operation that a scan job can have multiple docum=
ents.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I don't think these are multiple document objects=
, however.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to p=
ull one or more images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view o=
f the model they are part of one document object and would be delivered (in=
 the case of push<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">scan) as a single file.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; The Cloud conference call comment is that&nb=
sp; FetchJob (corresponding to
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Destination,&nbsp; DestinationAccesses, and&=
nbsp; InputElements for Scan with no<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">need to have a FetchDocument operation.&nbsp; Thi=
s&nbsp; suggests that there is but one document (possibly with multiple des=
tinations) in a Scan Job.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Alternatively,&nbsp; it may be that the Input Par=
ameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are defined in =
the CreateJob.&nbsp; This seemes inconsistent with the general Imaging Serv=
ice model.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation =
is instantiating a single scan job containing a single document object that=
 may have multiple digital representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the sa=
me images.&nbsp; Figure 3 on page<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on tha=
t point.&nbsp; This is similar to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (sin=
gle document jobs).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple=
 digital document inputs (and thus multiple document objects).<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I think the only inconsistency here is that some =
job services support multiple document objects and some don't.&nbsp; But I =
don't think that hurts the overall model - just something worth pointing ou=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning=
 that most Print and FaxOut service implementations only support single doc=
ument jobs...)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; The IPP Scan specification definitely refers=
 to multiple documents in
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; one<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">scan job.&nbsp; However, Figure 1 can be interpre=
ted to mean that&nbsp; the only operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob=
, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, In=
putAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob
 request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; b=
ut it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations ca=
n be specified for different documents.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I think the choice of reusing the &quot;last-docu=
ment&quot; operation attribute in the response of Get-Next-Document-Images =
operation is causing confusion here. It really is (semantically) &quot;last=
-document-image&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial cha=
nge before publication, either the attribute name or the description (&quot=
;indicating that the last document IMAGE has been reached&quot;)?<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; [Also,&nbsp; Compression Accepted and Docume=
nt Format Accepted are defined
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentIma=
ges for Pull Scans. Can it
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentI=
mages takes precedence?]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I think this needs some clarification - you put t=
hose in Create-Job for a Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Sc=
an.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Do I correctly understand that, although the=
re may be multiple
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; documents<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">in a scan job, they must all have the same InputA=
ttributes and the same destination(s)?&nbsp; An alternate approach might ha=
ve been to send&nbsp; a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be =
scanned, which contained the input parameters
 and destination for each specific document/image file; that would have bee=
n consistent with the Model.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Currently you scan whatever is at the input sourc=
e and send it to the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-D=
ocument-Images.&nbsp; The only way to break things up is to create multiple=
 jobs and specify the number of images for each job in the &quot;input-imag=
es-to-transfer&quot; member attribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; For Cloud, we need to decide whether we shou=
ld reflect the Semantic
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Model<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">(with which we should bet be consistent) or the I=
PP Scan Binding. Or do we need to change the semantic model?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM d=
efinition of SM Scan, since SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Also, a few minor editorial comments/questio=
ns I had while looking up<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">stuff.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; 1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images an=
d<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.&nbsp; I take it that thi=
s&nbsp; means to have the specification refer to itself, but it is confusin=
g even if the proper number is inserted. Better to refer to the internal pa=
ragraph.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; 2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Figure 1 refers to the operation as<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentI=
mages<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; 3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Templat=
e<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.&=
nbsp; There is no such section (should it be 8.2?)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; 4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Although the text makes a distinction bet=
ween<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers =
to a Print Job.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thanks for catching these!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">_________________________________________________=
________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, P=
WG Chair<o:p></o:p></p>
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Fixed.

> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> This page was last updated in 2003 and is completely wrong -it suggests the IANA "ipp" URI scheme is URI scheme squatting!
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> http://www.w3.org/wiki/UriSchemes/ipp
> 
> Mike - something for us to report to Wikipedia and try to correct.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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Many thanks Pete. This has been a great help to me in understanding IPP
Scan.

Bill Wagner

 

From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:25 AM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

 

Bill,

My responses are in-line below.

Pete

 

Peter Zehler


PARC, A Xerox Company
800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
Email:  <mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com> Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Office: +1 (585) 265-8755

Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441

 

From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:19 PM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

 

Pete,

Thanks for the correction. A few items for clarification to see if I got it
right. I would very much appreciate either agreement with or correction of
my interpretation.

1.  Hardcopy document refers just to the material that is being scanned and
has no other correlation to Digital Document. For example, conceivably, a
set of pages from multiple books could be scanned with the image data
ultimately appearing in a single document. Alternatively, multiple pages for
a single hardcopy document could be scanned and appear as multiple Digital
Documents.

2.  <PZ>Correct</PZ>

3.  Image refers to the content in a specified scan region of a hardcopy
document. Unless the scanner is set up to combine the data from multiple
scanned images, an image cannot refer to more than the content of one sheet
side. Therefore, for example, a scan job concerned with multiple pages of a
hardcopy document will contain multiple images.

4.  <PZ>Correct</PZ>

      3. There is a 1:1 relationship between Digital Documents and files, in
that each Digital Document is formatted and stored as a separate file.

<PZ>That is true of the IPP binding for Network Scanning.  The MFD Network
Scan model permitted more than one file to be associated with a Digital
Document.  We never discussed the packaging of a multi-file Digital
Document.  We could add a "run list" that referenced all the files or we
could, as I did in an early prototype, collect all the image files for a
Digital Document into a folder and the Document Object would reference the
folder.   It will be up to the SM 3 group to determine what will be done
with the SM3 Network Scan specification.  The SM3 model can be simplified or
there could be an "IPP Production Scanning Set 1" drafted. J</PZ>

5.  In general, the relationship of images to digital documents is format
(and perhaps implementation) specific. If the 'document-format-accepted' is
a document format such as PDF, there may be multiple images per document. If
'document-format-accepted' is an image format such as JPEG or GIF, each
image is more likely a separate digital document.

6.  <PZ>That is correct, I think.  As far as I know there is no multipage
JPEG format.</PZ>

      5. In IPP Scan Push mode, all Digital Documents produced in a Job are
scanned and formatted  in the same way and stored to the same
destination(s), as specified in the CreateJob.

<PZ>Not necessarily, the client could specify multiple acceptable formats.
I see no limitation preventing a smart scan service storing content that
contains text in a pdf document and photos in jpeg files. The usual case
would be to consistently store all the Digital Documents produced in the
Job.</PZ> 

a.  If the job produces multiple digital documents, the  destination is a
directory with each Digital Document being a separate file in that
directory. 

<PZ>Correct, it would be an error to specify a file as a destination for a
multi-paged Digital Document.  The error would something like
"conflicting-attributes" or "document-access-error"</PZ>

b.  If the job produces a single document, the specified destination is of
the file.

<PZ>If it is a file that is where the Digital Document is stored.  If it is
a directory, a file would be created in that directory to hold the Digital
Document.</PZ>

7.  In IPP Scan Push mode, the client may  specify multiple destinations.

<PZ>Yes.</PZ>

8.  In IPP Scan Pull mode, each digital document produced by a job is sent
back to the client in response to a GetNextDocumentImage request from the
Client. Each document may contain data from a single image or from multiple
images. There may be multiple documents as part of a single job. 

<PZ>Yes</PZ>

a.  Unlike in Push mode, the Compression Accepted and Document Format
Accepted may be separately specified in each GetNextDocumentImage request.
(I find this rather odd - especially since each such request does not
necessarily correspond to either a Document or an image. )

<PZ>While this is true I would not expect the client to change the
acceptable format/compression throughout the exchange.  I believe it is the
Scan Service that is in control of the format/compression as the Digital
Document is being delivered.  The acceptable format/compression operational
attributes for the "Get-Next-Document-Images" Request could be deleted from
the specification without any problems.  It would probably remove some
confusion.  The format/compression attributes in the response and in the
"Create-Job" request</PZ>

b.  The mode of operation of GetNextDocumentImage depends upon whether Wait
Mode is agreed upon. In Wait mode, data is sent as it becomes available and
can be accepted. If not in Wait mode (or if Wait mode is interrupted or
timed out) , the client must issue a GetNextDocumentImage for each
buffer's-worth of data.

<PZ>Yes, it is a choice between synchronous and asynchronous network
operations.</PZ>

      8. This mode of transfer suggests that GetNextDocumentImage does not
refer either to getting an Image or getting a Document, it just pulls data
in a mode determined by the Wait mode. That data may be formatted into one
or more Digital Documents, depending on format and contents.
<PZ>While that is true we had to call it something.  We went through a
couple of name changes.  In IPP it's just "0x004A".  It is pulling the data
for an image(s) within a document.  Subsequent responses may pull the data
for an image(s) from within another document    I'd prefer not to entertain
cosmetic changes at this time.</PZ>

 

I also understand that you suggest that the Scan Service in SM3 be changed
to agree with IPP Scan.

<PZ>.As previously stated, it will be up to the SM 3 group to determine what
will be done with the SM3 Network Scan specification.  The SM3 model can be
simplified or there could be an "IPP Production Scanning Set 1" drafted.
J</PZ>

 

Many thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:20 AM
To: William A Wagner; 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org; cloud@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

 

All,

 

IPP Scan can support multiple document jobs.  There are attributes that
allow the printer to declare that capability (
"multiple-document-jobs-supported") as well as operational attributes
("document-number", "last-document") to segment the data pulled from the
scan service into multiple files (i.e. one file per document, number of
images in a file is format and implementation specific).  During the
prototype I used a scanner that emitted JPG or PDF.  When loading a stack of
media into the ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.  The number
of documents objects generated was dictated by output file type.  In the IPP
binding I limited the file to document object association to 1 to 1.  I did
not want to deal with the complexities of associating multiple files with a
single document object.    The abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple
files per document.

 

Running a stack of paper using JPG as the " document-format-accepted"
resulted in a multiple files each of which was associated with a single
document.  Running that same stack of paper using PDF as the
"document-format-accepted" resulted in a single multipage file associated
with a single document.  From the client perspective using
Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit different for each job.  With the JPG
output the responses had a document number that changed throughout the scan
job retrieval.  The number of responses with the same document number varied
based on the complexity of the image.  Each time the document number
changed, the output file is closed and a new one is opened.  The last
Get-Next-Document-Images for the last document in the job set the
"last-document" to true.  In a push job version of this scan job, the same
number of files are created at the destination. With the PDF output the
responses had a document number remained the same throughout the scan job
retrieval.    When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for the job had the
"last-document" to true, the output file was closed.  In a push job version
of this scan job, one file was created at the destination.

 

The MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would be
used locally or remotely.  Therefore the was considerable more control over
the behavior of the scanner itself.  The IPP Scan service simplified a
number of aspects to address the 98% needs for network scanning in a mobile
environment.  I expect the MFD Scan service would be adjusted to better
reflect implementation experience within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the
industry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP Scan, vendor specific scan).

 

Peter Zehler

 

PARC, A Xerox Company

800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E

Webster NY, 14580-9701

Email:  <mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com> Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com

Office: +1 (585) 265-8755

Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508

FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441

 

-----Original Message-----

From: William A Wagner [ <mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net>
mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:15 PM

To: 'Michael Sweet'

Cc: Zehler, Peter;  <mailto:ipp@pwg.org> ipp@pwg.org;
<mailto:cloud@pwg.org> cloud@pwg.org

Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.

 

Michael,

 

Thank you for your response.

 

1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that
there can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it
indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore,
Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely states
that, for a multi-document Job,  " Job object contains multiple Document
objects. Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters."

And further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to
specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have intentionally
decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that should be made
clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from
the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for
multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may exist.)

 

2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple
images of a document, and that "last-document" refers to the last image of a
document. But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to
anything other than 'Document Images'?

 

I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I think
the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might expect from
the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, the fact that
for Pull Scan,  the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accepted
and Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple images
document.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Michael Sweet [ <mailto:msweet@apple.com> mailto:msweet@apple.com]

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:12 AM

To: William A Wagner

Cc: Zehler, Peter;  <mailto:ipp@pwg.org> ipp@pwg.org;
<mailto:cloud@pwg.org> cloud@pwg.org

Subject: Re: IPP Scan question.

 

Bill,

 

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <
<mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net> wamwagner@comcast.net>

wrote:

> ...

> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages

operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.

 

I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.

Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more
images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they
are part of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push

scan) as a single file.

 

> 

> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to 

> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no

need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but
one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.

Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for
each one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes
inconsistent with the general Imaging Service model.

 

In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single
scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital
representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on page

22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar
to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).

 

Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs
(and thus multiple document objects).

 

I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support
multiple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the
overall model - just something worth pointing out.

 

(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOut
service implementations only support single document jobs...)

 

> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in 

> one

scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only
operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages
necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be
in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining
destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or
destinations can be specified for different documents.

 

I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in the
response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here. It
really is (semantically) "last-document-image".

 

Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication,
either the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last
document IMAGE has been reached")?

 

> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined 

> in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it 

> be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]

 

I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a
Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.

 

> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple 

> documents

in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same
destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a
SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained
the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file;
that would have been consistent with the Model.

 

Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the

destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only
way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of
images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.

 

> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic 

> Model

(with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we
need to change the semantic model?

 

The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since
SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.

 

> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up

stuff.

>  

> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and

refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the
specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number
is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.

 

Agreed.

 

> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as

GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages

> 

> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template

Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section
(should it be 8.2?)

> 

> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between

Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.

 

Thanks for catching these!

 

_________________________________________________________

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Many thanks Pete. This has been a great help to =
me in understanding IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
September 29, 2014 7:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> William A Wagner<br><b>Cc:</b> =
ipp@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: IPP Scan =
question.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>My responses are in-line =
below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy'>Peter =
Zehler<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>PA=
RC, A Xerox Company</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>80=
0 Phillips Rd, 128-27E</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We=
bster NY, 14580-9701</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Em=
ail: </span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Peter.Zehler@=
Xerox.com</span></a><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Of=
fice: +1 (585) 265-8755<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Mo=
bile: +1 (585) 329-9508</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>FA=
X: +1 (585) 265-7441</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
William A Wagner [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 26, 2014 5:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Zehler, Peter<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: IPP =
Scan question.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Pete,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Thanks =
for the correction. A few items for clarification to see if I got it =
right. I would very much appreciate either agreement with or correction =
of my interpretation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>Hardcopy document refers just to the material =
that is being scanned and has no other correlation to Digital Document. =
For example, conceivably, a set of pages from multiple books could be =
scanned with the image data ultimately appearing in a single document. =
Alternatively, multiple pages for a single hardcopy document could be =
scanned and appear as multiple Digital Documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Correct&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>Image refers to the content in a specified scan =
region of a hardcopy document. Unless the scanner is set up to combine =
the data from multiple scanned images, an image cannot refer to more =
than the content of one sheet side. Therefore, for example, a scan job =
concerned with multiple pages of a hardcopy document will contain =
multiple images.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Correct&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. There is a =
1:1 relationship between Digital Documents and files, in that each =
Digital Document is formatted and stored as a separate =
file.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&lt;PZ&gt;That is true of the IPP binding for Network Scanning.&nbsp; =
The MFD Network Scan model permitted more than one file to be associated =
with a Digital Document.&nbsp; We never discussed the packaging of a =
multi-file Digital Document.&nbsp; We could add a &#8220;run list&#8221; =
that referenced all the files or we could, as I did in an early =
prototype, collect all the image files for a Digital Document into a =
folder and the Document Object would reference the folder.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;It will be up to the SM 3 group to determine what will be done =
with the SM3 Network Scan specification.&nbsp; The SM3 model can be =
simplified or there could be an &#8220;IPP Production Scanning Set =
1&#8221; drafted. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><s=
pan =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]>In =
general, the relationship of images to digital documents is format (and =
perhaps implementation) specific. If the 'document-format-accepted' is a =
document format such as PDF, there may be multiple images per document. =
If 'document-format-accepted' is an image format such as JPEG or GIF, =
each image is more likely a separate digital document.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;That is correct, I think.&nbsp; As far =
as I know there is no multipage JPEG =
format.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5. In IPP Scan Push =
mode, all Digital Documents produced in a Job are scanned and formatted =
&nbsp;in the same way and stored to the same destination(s), as =
specified in the CreateJob.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Not necessarily, the client could specify multiple =
acceptable formats.&nbsp; I see no limitation preventing a smart scan =
service storing content that contains text in a pdf document and photos =
in jpeg files. The usual case would be to consistently store all the =
Digital Documents produced in the Job.&lt;/PZ&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]>If =
the job produces multiple digital documents, the &nbsp;destination is a =
directory with each Digital Document being a separate file in that =
directory. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Correct, it would be an error to =
specify a file as a destination for a multi-paged Digital =
Document.&nbsp; The error would something like =
&#8220;conflicting-attributes&#8221; or =
&#8220;document-access-error&#8221;&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]>If =
the job produces a single document, the specified destination is of the =
file.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;If =
it is a file that is where the Digital Document is stored.&nbsp; If it =
is a directory, a file would be created in that directory to hold the =
Digital Document.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]>In =
IPP Scan Push mode, the client may &nbsp;specify multiple =
destinations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Yes.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]>In =
IPP Scan Pull mode, each digital document produced by a job is sent back =
to the client in response to a GetNextDocumentImage request from the =
Client. Each document may contain data from a single image or from =
multiple images. There may be multiple documents as part of a single =
job. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Yes&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>Unlike in Push mode, the Compression Accepted =
and Document Format Accepted may be separately specified in each =
<u>GetNextDocumentImage request.</u> <u>(I find this rather odd &#8211; =
especially since each such request does not necessarily correspond to =
either a Document or an image. )<o:p></o:p></u></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:1.25in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;While this is true I would not expect =
the client to change the acceptable format/compression throughout the =
exchange.&nbsp; I believe it is the Scan Service that is in control of =
the format/compression as the Digital Document is being delivered.&nbsp; =
The acceptable format/compression operational attributes for the =
&#8220;Get-Next-Document-Images&#8221; Request could be deleted from the =
specification without any problems.&nbsp; It would probably remove some =
confusion.&nbsp; The format/compression attributes in the response and =
in the &#8220;Create-Job&#8221; =
request&lt;/PZ&gt;<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>The mode of operation of GetNextDocumentImage =
depends upon whether Wait Mode is agreed upon. In Wait mode, data is =
sent as it becomes available and can be accepted. If not in Wait mode =
(or if Wait mode is interrupted or timed out) , the client must issue a =
GetNextDocumentImage for each buffer&#8217;s-worth of =
data.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:1.25in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;PZ&gt;Yes, it is a choice between =
synchronous and asynchronous network =
operations.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8. This mode of =
transfer suggests that GetNextDocumentImage does not refer either to =
getting an Image or getting a Document, it just pulls data in a mode =
determined by the Wait mode. That data may be formatted into one or more =
Digital Documents, depending on format and contents.<span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br>&lt;PZ&gt;While that is true we had to call =
it something.&nbsp; We went through a couple of name changes.&nbsp; In =
IPP it&#8217;s just &#8220;0x004A&#8221;.&nbsp; It is pulling the data =
for an image(s) within a document.&nbsp; Subsequent responses may pull =
the data for an image(s) from within another document =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#8217;d prefer not to entertain cosmetic changes at =
this time.&lt;/PZ&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I also =
understand that you suggest that the Scan Service in SM3 be changed to =
agree with IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&lt;PZ&gt;.As previously stated, it will be up to the SM 3 group to =
determine what will be done with the SM3 Network Scan =
specification.&nbsp; The SM3 model can be simplified or there could be =
an &#8220;IPP Production Scanning Set 1&#8221; drafted. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><s=
pan =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Many =
thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Zehler, Peter =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>]=
 <br>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:20 AM<br>To: William A Wagner; =
'Michael Sweet'<br>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>Subject: RE: IPP =
Scan question.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>All,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>IPP =
Scan can support multiple document jobs.&nbsp; There are attributes that =
allow the printer to declare that capability ( =
&quot;multiple-document-jobs-supported&quot;) as well as operational =
attributes (&quot;document-number&quot;, &quot;last-document&quot;) to =
segment the data pulled from the scan service into multiple files (i.e. =
one file per document, number of images in a file is format and =
implementation specific).&nbsp; During the prototype I used a scanner =
that emitted JPG or PDF.&nbsp; When loading a stack of media into the =
ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.&nbsp; The number of =
documents objects generated was dictated by output file type.&nbsp; In =
the IPP binding I limited the file to document object association to 1 =
to 1.&nbsp; I did not want to deal with the complexities of associating =
multiple files with a single document object.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple files per =
document.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Running a stack of paper using JPG as the &quot; =
document-format-accepted&quot; resulted in a multiple files each of =
which was associated with a single document.&nbsp; Running that same =
stack of paper using PDF as the &quot;document-format-accepted&quot; =
resulted in a single multipage file associated with a single =
document.&nbsp; From the client perspective using =
Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit different for each job.&nbsp; =
With the JPG output the responses had a document number that changed =
throughout the scan job retrieval.&nbsp; The number of responses with =
the same document number varied based on the complexity of the =
image.&nbsp; Each time the document number changed, the output file is =
closed and a new one is opened.&nbsp; The last Get-Next-Document-Images =
for the last document in the job set the &quot;last-document&quot; to =
true.&nbsp; In a push job version of this scan job, the same number of =
files are created at the destination. With the PDF output the responses =
had a document number remained the same throughout the scan job =
retrieval.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for =
the job had the &quot;last-document&quot; to true, the output file was =
closed.&nbsp; In a push job version of this scan job, one file was =
created at the destination.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>The =
MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would be =
used locally or remotely.&nbsp; Therefore the was considerable more =
control over the behavior of the scanner itself.&nbsp; The IPP Scan =
service simplified a number of aspects to address the 98% needs for =
network scanning in a mobile environment.&nbsp; I expect the MFD Scan =
service would be adjusted to better reflect implementation experience =
within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the industry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP =
Scan, vendor specific scan).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Peter =
Zehler<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>PARC, A Xerox Company<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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class=3DMsoPlainText>Email: <a =
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pan></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Office: +1 (585) =
265-8755<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Mobile: +1 (585) =
329-9508<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>FAX: +1 (585) =
265-7441<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>From: William A Wagner [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:wamwagner@comcast.=
net</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, =
September 25, 2014 2:15 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: =
'Michael Sweet'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Cc: Zehler, Peter; =
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>cloud@pwg.org</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: RE: IPP Scan =
question.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Michael,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Thank =
you for your response.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>1. I =
agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that there =
can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it =
indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore, =
Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely =
states that, for a multi-document Job,&nbsp; &quot; Job object contains =
multiple Document objects. Each Document can have a different set of =
processing parameters.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>And =
further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to =
specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have =
intentionally decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that =
should be made clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to =
eliminate them from the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling =
Use Case for multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may =
exist.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>2. I get your explanation that =
Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple images of a document, and =
that &quot;last-document&quot; refers to the last image of a document. =
But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to =
anything other than 'Document Images'?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I =
think the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might =
expect from the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, =
the fact that for Pull Scan,&nbsp; the GetNextDocumentImages can =
redefine Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted for each =
image of potentially multiple images document.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Bill =
Wagner <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>From: Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:msweet@apple.com</=
span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, =
September 25, 2014 9:12 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: =
William A Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Cc: Zehler, =
Peter; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>cloud@pwg.org</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: Re: IPP Scan =
question.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>wamwagner@comcast.net</sp=
an></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; It is also clear from the =
IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>operation that a scan job can have multiple =
documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>I don't think these are multiple document objects, =
however.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Get-Next-Document-Images =
is a convenient way to pull one or more images/pages from the scanner, =
but from the point of view of the model they are part of one document =
object and would be delivered (in the case of push<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>scan) as a single file.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; The Cloud conference call =
comment is that&nbsp; FetchJob (corresponding to <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Destination,&nbsp; DestinationAccesses, =
and&nbsp; InputElements for Scan with no<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>need to have a FetchDocument operation.&nbsp; =
This&nbsp; suggests that there is but one document (possibly with =
multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Alternatively,&nbsp; it may be that the Input =
Parameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are =
defined in the CreateJob.&nbsp; This seemes inconsistent with the =
general Imaging Service model.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>In the =
case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single scan =
job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital =
representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.&nbsp; Figure =
3 on page<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>22 of the MFD Scan spec =
seems pretty clear on that point.&nbsp; This is similar to how the Copy =
and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Print, =
FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs (and =
thus multiple document objects).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support =
multiple document objects and some don't.&nbsp; But I don't think that =
hurts the overall model - just something worth pointing =
out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>(and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning =
that most Print and FaxOut service implementations only support single =
document jobs...)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; one<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>scan job.&nbsp; However, Figure 1 can be =
interpreted to mean that&nbsp; the only operation necessary for Scan is =
a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan =
Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob request =
as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; but it =
does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations can =
be specified for different documents.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
think the choice of reusing the &quot;last-document&quot; operation =
attribute in the response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is =
causing confusion here. It really is (semantically) =
&quot;last-document-image&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Pete, =
do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication, =
either the attribute name or the description (&quot;indicating that the =
last document IMAGE has been reached&quot;)?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
[Also,&nbsp; Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are =
defined <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; in CreateJob, but =
also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; be assumed that requests in =
GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a =
Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; documents<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>in a scan job, they must all have the same =
InputAttributes and the same destination(s)?&nbsp; An alternate approach =
might have been to send&nbsp; a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each =
document to be scanned, which contained the input parameters and =
destination for each specific document/image file; that would have been =
consistent with the Model.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Currently you scan whatever is at the input source =
and send it to the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>destination(s) =
or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.&nbsp; The only way to =
break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of =
images for each job in the &quot;input-images-to-transfer&quot; member =
attribute.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should =
reflect the Semantic <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Model<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>(with which we should bet be =
consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we need to change the =
semantic model?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>The =
intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since =
SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking =
up<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>stuff.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.&nbsp; I take it that =
this&nbsp; means to have the specification refer to itself, but it is =
confusing even if the proper number is inserted. Better to refer to the =
internal paragraph.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Figure 1 refers to the operation as<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>GetNextDocumentImage rather than =
GetNextDocumentImages<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Attributes is a reference to section =
8.28.1.7.2.&nbsp; There is no such section (should it be =
8.2?)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
4.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Although the text makes a distinction between<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to =
a Print Job.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Thanks =
for catching these!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>____________________________________________________=
_____<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Michael Sweet, Senior =
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Pete,

I think we should clarify this in the scan spec - it wasn't clear at all to me that multiple scanned images mapped to multiple IPP document objects.  My suggestion is that you add a paragraph in section 4.1 explaining how you get multiple document objects.


> On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> IPP Scan can support multiple document jobs.  There are attributes that allow the printer to declare that capability ( "multiple-document-jobs-supported") as well as operational attributes ("document-number", "last-document") to segment the data pulled from the scan service into multiple files (i.e. one file per document, number of images in a file is format and implementation specific).  During the prototype I used a scanner that emitted JPG or PDF.  When loading a stack of media into the ADF each image acquisition resulted in an image.  The number of documents objects generated was dictated by output file type.  In the IPP binding I limited the file to document object association to 1 to 1.  I did not want to deal with the complexities of associating multiple files with a single document object.    The abstract MFD Scan model did allow multiple files per document.
> 
> Running a stack of paper using JPG as the " document-format-accepted" resulted in a multiple files each of which was associated with a single document.  Running that same stack of paper using PDF as the "document-format-accepted" resulted in a single multipage file associated with a single document.  From the client perspective using Get-Next-Document-Images behaved a bit different for each job.  With the JPG output the responses had a document number that changed throughout the scan job retrieval.  The number of responses with the same document number varied based on the complexity of the image.  Each time the document number changed, the output file is closed and a new one is opened.  The last Get-Next-Document-Images for the last document in the job set the "last-document" to true.  In a push job version of this scan job, the same number of files are created at the destination. With the PDF output the responses had a document number remained the same throughout the scan 
 job retrieval.    When the last Get-Next-Document-Images for the job had the "last-document" to true, the output file was closed.  In a push job version of this scan job, one file was created at the destination.
> 
> The MFD Scan model was created with the idea that the same protocol would be used locally or remotely.  Therefore the was considerable more control over the behavior of the scanner itself.  The IPP Scan service simplified a number of aspects to address the 98% needs for network scanning in a mobile environment.  I expect the MFD Scan service would be adjusted to better reflect implementation experience within the PWG (i.e., IPP Scan) and in the industry (e.g., WS-Scan, UPnP Scan, vendor specific scan).
> 
> Peter Zehler
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:15 PM
> To: 'Michael Sweet'
> Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org; cloud@pwg.org
> Subject: RE: IPP Scan question.
> 
> Michael,
> 
> Thank you for your response.
> 
> 1. I agree that Figure 3 of the MFD Scan spec definitely indicates that there can be multiple images in one scan document; I do not see where it indicates that there cannot be multiple documents is a job. Furthermore, Figure 4 of that same document (with the associated text) definitely states that, for a multi-document Job,  " Job object contains multiple Document objects. Each Document can have a different set of processing parameters."
> And further that the Scan Service semantic model may allow the End User to specify a multi-document Job as a service output. If we have intentionally decided to not consider multi-document jobs in IPP, that should be made clear. I think it is to be determined if we decide to eliminate them from the SM3. (Incidentally, I do not see a compelling Use Case for multi-document Scan Jobs, although some may exist.)
> 
> 2. I get your explanation that Get-Next-Document-Images refers to multiple images of a document, and that "last-document" refers to the last image of a document. But these are names are misleading. Do we use 'Images' to refer to anything other than 'Document Images'?
> 
> I apologize for not commenting on the IPP Scan document earlier, but I think the one document per job characteristic, despite what one might expect from the names, should be made more clear. Also, as you suggest, the fact that for Pull Scan,  the GetNextDocumentImages can redefine Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted for each image of potentially multiple images document.
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:12 AM
> To: William A Wagner
> Cc: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org; cloud@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: IPP Scan question.
> 
> Bill,
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:50 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> ...
>> It is also clear from the IPP Scan specification GetNextDocumentImages
> operation that a scan job can have multiple documents.
> 
> I don't think these are multiple document objects, however.
> Get-Next-Document-Images is a convenient way to pull one or more images/pages from the scanner, but from the point of view of the model they are part of one document object and would be delivered (in the case of push
> scan) as a single file.
> 
>> 
>> The Cloud conference call comment is that  FetchJob (corresponding to 
>> Destination,  DestinationAccesses, and  InputElements for Scan with no
> need to have a FetchDocument operation.  This  suggests that there is but one document (possibly with multiple destinations) in a Scan Job.
> Alternatively,  it may be that the Input Parameters and Destinations for each one of multiple documents are defined in the CreateJob.  This seemes inconsistent with the general Imaging Service model.
> 
> In the case of Scan, the CreateScanJob operation is instantiating a single scan job containing a single document object that may have multiple digital representations (e.g. PDF, TIFF, etc.) of the same images.  Figure 3 on page
> 22 of the MFD Scan spec seems pretty clear on that point.  This is similar to how the Copy and FaxIn services work (single document jobs).
> 
> Print, FaxOut, and Transform can support multiple digital document inputs (and thus multiple document objects).
> 
> I think the only inconsistency here is that some job services support multiple document objects and some don't.  But I don't think that hurts the overall model - just something worth pointing out.
> 
> (and perhaps as well worth considering/mentioning that most Print and FaxOut service implementations only support single document jobs...)
> 
>> The IPP Scan specification definitely refers to multiple documents in 
>> one
> scan job.  However, Figure 1 can be interpreted to mean that  the only operation necessary for Scan is a CreateJob, with GetNextDocumentImages necessary if it is a Pull Scan Job. Indeed, InputAttributes is defined to be in the CreateJob request as well as are the Job Template attributes defining destination; but it does not appear that different InputAttributes and/or destinations can be specified for different documents.
> 
> I think the choice of reusing the "last-document" operation attribute in the response of Get-Next-Document-Images operation is causing confusion here. It really is (semantically) "last-document-image".
> 
> Pete, do you think this is worth an editorial change before publication, either the attribute name or the description ("indicating that the last document IMAGE has been reached")?
> 
>> [Also,  Compression Accepted and Document Format Accepted are defined 
>> in CreateJob, but also in GetNextDocumentImages for Pull Scans. Can it 
>> be assumed that requests in GetNextDocumentImages takes precedence?]
> 
> I think this needs some clarification - you put those in Create-Job for a Push Scan and in Get-Document-Images for a Pull Scan.
> 
>> Do I correctly understand that, although there may be multiple 
>> documents
> in a scan job, they must all have the same InputAttributes and the same destination(s)?  An alternate approach might have been to send  a SetDocumentAttributes sent for each document to be scanned, which contained the input parameters and destination for each specific document/image file; that would have been consistent with the Model.
> 
> Currently you scan whatever is at the input source and send it to the
> destination(s) or pull the images with Get-Next-Document-Images.  The only way to break things up is to create multiple jobs and specify the number of images for each job in the "input-images-to-transfer" member attribute.
> 
>> For Cloud, we need to decide whether we should reflect the Semantic 
>> Model
> (with which we should bet be consistent) or the IPP Scan Binding. Or do we need to change the semantic model?
> 
> The intent is that IPP Scan would update the SM definition of SM Scan, since SM Scan doesn't deal with Pull Scan.
> 
>> Also, a few minor editorial comments/questions I had while looking up
> stuff.
>> 
>> 1.                          Table 1 lists Get-Next-Document-Images and
> refers to PWG 5100.SCAN.  I take it that this  means to have the specification refer to itself, but it is confusing even if the proper number is inserted. Better to refer to the internal paragraph.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> 2.                          Figure 1 refers to the operation as
> GetNextDocumentImage rather than GetNextDocumentImages
>> 
>> 3.                          In para 7.1.1, under Group 2: Job Template
> Attributes is a reference to section 8.28.1.7.2.  There is no such section (should it be 8.2?)
>> 
>> 4.                          Although the text makes a distinction between
> Print Jobs and Scan Jobs, section 8.2.1.1 refers to a Print Job.
> 
> Thanks for catching these!
> 
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All,

I have posted the minutes from today's IPP WG conference call to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140929.pdf

Our next conference call is October 20, 2014 at 3pm ET.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Pete,

Thanks for the update.

WRT process, yes we continue the Formal Vote, using the original stable =
draft you posted.  The discussion during the concall will be recorded as =
editorial comments for one or more of the votes cast by members, and we =
can review the outcome of the vote and your changes in response to our =
comments at the F2F.


On Sep 30, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:

> Below are my responses to the =E2=80=9CDiscussion of IPP Scan=E2=80=9D =
posted in the IPP teleconference meeting minutes.
> =20
> a. http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140917.pdf
> <PZ>I now have an updated specification =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20141001.pdf
> Please let me know what I should do with the updated =
specification.</PZ>
> =20
> b. PWG Formal Vote until October 17, 2014
> <PZ>I assume the formal vote continues.</PZ>
> =20
> c. Editorial comments:
> =E2=81=83 Add description of multiple document (object) =
support/creation - artifact of document-format.
> <PZ>Added a section in 4.1
> =E2=80=9C4.1.1 Documents within a Scan Job
> =46rom a client=E2=80=99s point of view the number of documents =
created in a Job is a function of the Scan Service=E2=80=99s capability =
and the document format of the Output Image.  For example a document =
format such as JPEG only allows a single image per file.  If a stack of =
documents are being scanned and the Scan Service supports multi-document =
jobs, then each JPEG file generated will be associated with a Document =
within the Scan Job.  If the Scan Service did not support multi-document =
jobs, then only a single sheet from the stack would be scanned resulting =
in a single document job.  If that same stack of documents is scanned =
using a PDF document format, the all the Output Images, regardless of =
multi-document support, will be in a single PDF file associated with a =
single Document within the Scan Job.=E2=80=9D
> </PZ>
> =20
> =E2=81=83 Drop compression-accepted and document-format-accepted from =
Get-Next-Document-Images; just use the values in the Create-Job request =
(same for both push and pull scan)
> <PZ>deleted</PZ>
> =20
> =E2=81=83 Clarify that output to archives is undefined/out-of-scope
> =E2=81=83 SM and JDF can do it
> <PZ />
> =E2=81=83 Add "scan to archive formats" is out of scope
> <PZ>Added the following to the list of out of scope in section 3.4
> =E2=80=9CScan to archive formats (i.e., a single document object =
referencing a container of multiple files)=E2=80=9D
> </PZ>
> =E2=81=83 Be silent about what happens if document-format is an =
archive format
> <PZ />
> =20
> =E2=81=83 Update Get-Next-Document-Images description to mention each =
call returns a new document object containing one or more complete =
document images (e.g. a JPEG at a time or a PDF at a time, etc.)
> <PZ>
> In section 6.1 I changed the description of Get-Next-Document-Images =
from
> =E2=80=9CThe REQUIRED Get-Next-Document-Images operation allows a Scan =
Client to retrieve a scanned document from an existing job object. This =
operation enables pull scanning. The Scan Client specifies the target =
Scan Job. The Scan Job MUST be in the =E2=80=98processing=E2=80=99 or =
=E2=80=98completed=E2=80=99 state. As the scan data becomes available =
the document content is delivered in the response. To support streaming =
the Scan Client MUST support the "chunked" Transfer-Encoding in the =
response=E2=80=9D
> To
> =E2=80=9CThe REQUIRED Get-Next-Document-Images operation allows a Scan =
Client to retrieve the scan data from an existing job object. This =
operation enables pull scanning. The Scan Client specifies the target =
Scan Job. The Scan Job MUST be in the =E2=80=98processing=E2=80=99 or =
=E2=80=98completed=E2=80=99 state. As the scan data becomes available =
the Scan Job content is delivered in the response. The response=E2=80=99s =
operational attribute =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D indicates the =
file type of the data.  The document description attribute =
=E2=80=9Cdocument-number=E2=80=9D indicates to which document within the =
job the scan data belongs.  If the document number changes, the previous =
document is complete.  If the operational attribute =E2=80=9Clast-document=
=E2=80=9D is true the transfer of all documents within the job is =
complete. To support streaming the Scan Client MUST support the =
"chunked" Transfer-Encoding in the response.=E2=80=9D
> =20
> And in section 6.1.2 in the description of =E2=80=9CGroup 3: Document =
content=E2=80=9D I changed
> =E2=80=9CThe document content is sent in the response as specified in =
[RFC2910] section 3.1.   Note that the Scan Client MUST be ready to =
accept a response using the "chunked" Transfer-Encoding.=E2=80=9D
> To
> =E2=80=9CThe document content, or a portion thereof, is sent in the =
response as specified in [RFC2910] section 3.1.   Note that the Scan =
Client MUST be ready to accept a response using the "chunked" =
Transfer-Encoding.=E2=80=9D
> </PZ>
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> PARC, A Xerox Company
> 800 Phillips Rd, 128-27E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Office: +1 (585) 265-8755
> Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508
> FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441
> =20

_________________________________________________________
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after-white-space;">Pete,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the =
update.</div><div><br></div><div>WRT process, yes we continue the Formal =
Vote, using the original stable draft you posted. &nbsp;The discussion =
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more of the votes cast by members, and we can review the outcome of the =
vote and your changes in response to our comments at the =
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style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ&gt;I assume the formal vote =
continues.&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">c. Editorial comments:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> Add description of multiple document (object) support/creation - =
artifact of document-format.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ&gt;Added a section in 4.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9C4.1.1 Documents within a Scan Job<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=46rom a client=E2=80=99s point of view the number of documents =
created in a Job is a function of the Scan Service=E2=80=99s capability =
and the document
 format of the Output Image.&nbsp; For example a document format such as =
JPEG only allows a single image per file.&nbsp; If a stack of documents =
are being scanned and the Scan Service supports multi-document jobs, =
then each JPEG file generated will be associated with
 a Document within the Scan Job.&nbsp; If the Scan Service did not =
support multi-document jobs, then only a single sheet from the stack =
would be scanned resulting in a single document job.&nbsp; If that same =
stack of documents is scanned using a PDF document format,
 the all the Output Images, regardless of multi-document support, will =
be in a single PDF file associated with a single Document within the =
Scan Job.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> Drop compression-accepted and document-format-accepted from =
Get-Next-Document-Images;
 just use the values in the Create-Job request (same for both push and =
pull scan)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ&gt;deleted&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> Clarify that output to archives is =
undefined/out-of-scope<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> SM and JDF can do it
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ /&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> Add "scan to archive formats" is out of scope
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ&gt;Added the following to the list of out of scope in section =
3.4<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9CScan to archive formats (i.e., a single document object =
referencing a container of multiple files)=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span=
 =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> Be silent about what happens if document-format is an archive =
format<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ /&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;MS =
Mincho&quot;">=E2=81=83</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;"> Update Get-Next-Document-Images description to mention each call =
returns a new document
 object containing one or more complete document images (e.g. a JPEG at =
a time or a PDF at a time, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">In section 6.1 I changed the description of Get-Next-Document-Images =
from<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9CThe REQUIRED Get-Next-Document-Images operation allows a =
Scan Client to retrieve a scanned document from an existing job object.
 This operation enables pull scanning. The Scan Client specifies the =
target Scan Job. The Scan Job MUST be in the =E2=80=98processing=E2=80=99 =
or =E2=80=98completed=E2=80=99 state. As the scan data becomes available =
the document content is delivered in the response. To support streaming =
the
 Scan Client MUST support the "chunked" Transfer-Encoding in the =
response=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">To<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9C</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">The REQUIRED Get-Next-Document-Images operation allows a Scan
 Client to retrieve the scan data from an existing job object. This =
operation enables pull scanning. The Scan Client specifies the target =
Scan Job. The Scan Job MUST be in the =E2=80=98processing=E2=80=99 or =
=E2=80=98completed=E2=80=99 state. As the scan data becomes available =
the Scan Job
 content is delivered in the response. The response=E2=80=99s =
operational attribute =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D indicates the =
file type of the data.&nbsp; The document description attribute =
=E2=80=9Cdocument-number=E2=80=9D indicates to which document within the =
job the scan data belongs.&nbsp; If the
 document number changes, the previous document is complete.&nbsp; If =
the operational attribute =E2=80=9Clast-document=E2=80=9D is true the =
transfer of all documents within the job is complete. To support =
streaming the Scan Client MUST support the "chunked" Transfer-Encoding =
in
 the response.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">And in section 6.1.2 in the description of =E2=80=9CGroup 3: Document =
content=E2=80=9D I changed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9CThe document content is sent in the response as specified in =
[RFC2910] section 3.1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Note that the Scan Client MUST be =
ready to
 accept a response using the "chunked" =
Transfer-Encoding.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">To<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9C</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">The document content, or a portion thereof, is sent in the response
 as specified in [RFC2910] section 3.1.&nbsp;&nbsp; Note that the Scan =
Client MUST be ready to accept a response using the "chunked" =
Transfer-Encoding.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot=
;">&lt;/PZ&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy"=
>Peter Zehler<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">PARC, A Xerox Company</span><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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  ha all possbl Souh Afrcan nuclar bombs ha bn accoun for. A Cnral Inllgnc Agncy (CIA) rpor a January 21, 1980, ha was prouc for h Un Sas Arms Conrol an Dsarmamn Agncy conclu ha:42 A smnar hos by h Carng Enowmn for Inrnaonal Pac sa ha h Royal Navy woul hav o consr a rang of alrnavs, nclung sarmamn.96 A rpor n 2013 from h Scolan Insu hnk ank suggs a fuur Scosh govrnmn coul b convnc o las h Faslan nuclar bas o h rs of h UK o manan goo plomac rlaons an xp NATO nry ngoaons.97 Occupyng hs rgon gans conrol of Torono an mos of Canaa's nusry, whl also prvnng Bran an Canaa from usng  for ar or lan aacks agans h U.S. nusral harlan n h Mws. Whl a oubl flash sgnal s characrsc of a nuclar wapons s, h sgnal coul also hav bn a spurous lcronc sgnal gnra by an agng cor n an ol sall, or a moro hng h Vla sall. No corroboraon of an xploson, such as h prsnc of nuclar byproucs n h ar, was vr publcly acknowlg, vn hough hr wr numrous passs n h ara by U.S. Ar Forc plans spcfcally sgn o c arborn raoacv us. Oh
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