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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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Subject: [IPP] Posted IPP System Service (2 November 2015)
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Hi,

I have just posted another Interim draft of IPP System Service for
review during the IPP WG call tomorrow:

  http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.pdf
  - PDF with line numbers and redlines

  http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.docx
  - MS Word source with line numbers and redlines

This draft contains all of the proposed changes from the IPP WG
review on 5 October 2015 and a number of further updates for
review at PWG November F2F.

Cheers,
- Ira

-------------------------------
Change History:

2 November 2015

- Interim draft =E2=80=93 new content after IPP WG review on 5 October 2015

- global =E2=80=93 kept all redlines from previous version for review at PW=
G
November F2F

- revised section 7.1 System, Printer, and Resource Operation Attributes to
add Resource operation attributes resource-category, resource-format,
resource-id, resource-job-id, resource-k-octets, resource-printer-uri,
resource-state, and resource-type

- revised section 7.3 System Status Attributes to add power-counters,
power-general, power-log, power-meters, power-monitor, power-support,
power-transition, system-config-changes, system-configured-printers,
system-configured-resources, system-configured-subunits,
system-current-time, system-health, system-serial-number, system-state,
system-state-messages, system-state-reasons, system-totals, system-up-time,
and system-uuid

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>I have just <spa=
n>posted</span> another Interim draft of <span><span><span>IPP</span></span=
></span> <span><span><span>System</span></span></span> <span></span><span><=
span>Service</span></span> for<br>review during the IPP WG call tomorrow:<b=
r><br></div>=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsyste=
m10-20151102-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/w=
d-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.pdf</a><br>

=C2=A0 - PDF with line numbers and redlines<br>=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0 <a href=3D=
"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.docx" target=
=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.d=
ocx</a><br>=C2=A0 - MS Word source with line numbers and redlines<br>
<br></div><div>This draft contains all of the proposed changes from the IPP=
 WG<br></div><div>review on 5 October 2015 and a number of further updates =
for <br>review at PWG November F2F.</div><div><br>
</div>Cheers,<br></div></div>- Ira<br><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>----------------=
---------------<br>
</div>Change History:<br><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br>2 November 2015<br><br>- Interim draft =E2=80=93 new content after I=
PP WG review on 5 October 2015<br><br>- global =E2=80=93 kept all redlines =
from previous version for review at PWG November F2F<br><br>- revised secti=
on 7.1 System, Printer, and Resource Operation Attributes to add Resource o=
peration attributes resource-category, resource-format, resource-id, resour=
ce-job-id, resource-k-octets, resource-printer-uri, resource-state, and res=
ource-type<br><br>- revised section 7.3 System Status Attributes to add pow=
er-counters, power-general, power-log, power-meters, power-monitor, power-s=
upport, power-transition, system-config-changes, system-configured-printers=
, system-configured-resources, system-configured-subunits, system-current-t=
ime, system-health, system-serial-number, system-state, system-state-messag=
es, system-state-reasons, system-totals, system-up-time, and system-uuid<br=
><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></di=
v><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div=
></div></div></div></div>
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For review... A LOT of editorial changes...


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05.txt
> Date: November 3, 2015 at 11:09:32 PM EST
> To: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
> 
> 
> A new version of I-D, draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Michael Sweet and posted to the
> IETF repository.
> 
> Name:		draft-sweet-rfc2911bis
> Revision:	05
> Title:		Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Model and Semantics
> Document date:	2015-11-03
> Group:		Individual Submission
> Pages:		235
> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sweet-rfc2911bis/
> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05
> Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05
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> Abstract:
>   This document is one of a set of documents, which together describe
>   all aspects of the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP).  IPP is an
>   application level protocol that can be used for distributed printing
>   using Internet tools and technologies.  This document describes a
>   simplified model consisting of abstract objects, their attributes,
>   and their operations that is independent of encoding and transport.
>   The model consists of several objects including Printers and Jobs.
>   Jobs optionally support multiple Documents.  IPP 1.1 semantics allow
>   end users and operators to query Printer capabilities, submit print
>   jobs, inquire about the status of print Jobs and printers, and
>   cancel, hold, and release print Jobs.  IPP 1.1 semantics allow
>   operators to pause and resume (Jobs from) Printer objects.  This
>   document also addresses security, internationalization, and directory
>   issues.
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All,

I have posted the minutes from today's IPP WG meeting to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20151104.pdf

Our next conference call is on November 16, 2015 at 3pm ET.

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All,

I have posted a draft of the updated IPP WG charter with the new 3D printing work to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151106.docx
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151106.pdf
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151106-rev.pdf

For review during our next conference call on the 16th...

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Hi Till,

Forwarding to the PWG IPP WG list for comment.  I'm not sure what the
best practice would be for the IEEE 1284 Device ID CMD field for PWG
Raster.

Mike - suggestions?

Cheers,
- Ira

PS - I'll forward responses back to the Open Printing mailing list.

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From: Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:08 AM
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To: Open Printing <printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org>


Hi,

the IEEE-1284 device ID has a CMD: field to list the page description
languages (PDLs) which a printer supports. What does it have to contain
according to the standards when the printer supports PWG Raster as input
data format?

   Till
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r PWG<br></div>Raster.<br><br></div>Mike - suggestions?<br><br></div>Cheers=
,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div>PS - I&#39;ll forward responses back to the O=
pen Printing mailing list.<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDon=
ald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solu=
tions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-I=
STO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Pro=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>F=
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t;</span><br>Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:08 AM<br>Subject: [Printing-archi=
tecture] CMD: field of device ID, which entry for PWG Raster?<br>To: Open P=
rinting &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.=
org">printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org</a>&gt;<br><br><br>Hi=
,<br>
<br>
the IEEE-1284 device ID has a CMD: field to list the page description langu=
ages (PDLs) which a printer supports. What does it have to contain accordin=
g to the standards when the printer supports PWG Raster as input data forma=
t?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Till<br>
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Ira/Till,

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi Till,
>=20
> Forwarding to the PWG IPP WG list for comment.  I'm not sure what the
> best practice would be for the IEEE 1284 Device ID CMD field for PWG
> Raster.
>=20
> Mike - suggestions?

Per PWG 5107.2:

Conforming implementations of this specification SHOULD use IANA Printer =
MIB Interpreter Types (primary) or MIME Media Types (secondary) instead =
of private types, for interoperability.


The current IANA Printer MIB =
(http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaprinter-mib/ianaprinter-mib) has =
the following:

PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
...
        langPWGRaster(84),   -- Not in RFC 1759
                             -- PWG 5102.4: PWG Raster Format
                             -- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/
                             --   cs-ippraster10-20120420-5102.4.pdf
                             -- MIME type "image/pwg-raster"
which means that the CMD field SHOULD contain either 'PWGRaster' =
(preferred) or 'image/pwg-raster'.

>=20
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>=20
> PS - I'll forward responses back to the Open Printing mailing list.
>=20
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic =
<http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc =
<http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>=20
>=20
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com =
<mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:08 AM
> Subject: [Printing-architecture] CMD: field of device ID, which entry =
for PWG Raster?
> To: Open Printing <printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org =
<mailto:printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org>>
>=20
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> the IEEE-1284 device ID has a CMD: field to list the page description =
languages (PDLs) which a printer supports. What does it have to contain =
according to the standards when the printer supports PWG Raster as input =
data format?
>=20
>    Till
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Ira/Till,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:24 AM, =
Ira McDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi Till,<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Forwarding to the PWG IPP WG list for =
comment.&nbsp; I'm not sure what the<br class=3D""></div>best practice =
would be for the IEEE 1284 Device ID CMD field for PWG<br =
class=3D""></div>Raster.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Mike - =
suggestions?<br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div>Per PWG 5107.2:</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: =
none; padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div><div class=3D"page" =
title=3D"Page 10"><div class=3D"layoutArea"><div class=3D"column"><p =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: =
'ArialMT'" class=3D"">Conforming implementations of this specification =
SHOULD use IANA Printer MIB Interpreter Types
(primary) or MIME Media Types (secondary) instead of private types, for =
interoperability.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><di=
v class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><div>The current IANA Printer MIB =
(<a =
href=3D"http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaprinter-mib/ianaprinter-mib" =
class=3D"">http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaprinter-mib/ianaprinter-mib=
</a>) has the following:</div><div><br class=3D""></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div><pre style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;" class=3D"">PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC =
::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION<br class=3D"">...<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; langPWGRaster(84), &nbsp; -- Not in RFC 1759<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;-- PWG 5102.4: PWG =
Raster Format<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;-- <a =
href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/" =
class=3D"">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/</a><br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;-- &nbsp; =
cs-ippraster10-20120420-5102.4.pdf<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;-- MIME type "image/pwg-raster"<br =
class=3D""></span></pre></div></div></blockquote><div =
class=3D""><div>which means that the CMD field SHOULD contain either =
'PWGRaster' (preferred) or 'image/pwg-raster'.</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div>Cheers,<br class=3D""></div>- Ira<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>PS - I'll forward responses back to the Open Printing =
mailing list.<br class=3D""><br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Ira =
McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br class=3D"">Co-Chair - TCG =
Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br class=3D"">Chair - Linux Foundation =
Open Printing WG<br class=3D"">Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working =
Group<br class=3D"">Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol =
WG<br class=3D"">IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br =
class=3D"">Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br class=3D""><a =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br class=3D""><a=
 style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br =
class=3D"">mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br =
class=3D"">Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; =
48176&nbsp; 734-944-0094<br class=3D"">Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; =
Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; 906-494-2434<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div style=3D"display:inline" class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"display:inline" class=3D""></div><div style=3D"display:inline" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""></div><div class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message =
----------<br class=3D"">From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Till =
Kamppeter</b> <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:till.kamppeter@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">till.kamppeter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br class=3D"">Date: =
Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:08 AM<br class=3D"">Subject: =
[Printing-architecture] CMD: field of device ID, which entry for PWG =
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the IEEE-1284 device ID has a CMD: field to list the page description =
languages (PDLs) which a printer supports. What does it have to contain =
according to the standards when the printer supports PWG Raster as input =
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Hi,

While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, ipp-te=
sts.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.
I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see the attached e-mail fo=
r more details. It is about giving printers more time to pull and realize a=
n out of paper situation.
I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon acknowledgement=
, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting  'media-empty*' in "printer-s=
tate-reasons". Only printers with presence sensors can accomplish this.

Thanks,
Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.

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All,

I have posted updated IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools based=
 on the latest stable draft of the self-certification manual.  Download lin=
ks are below and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:

    http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html

    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx.dmg
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar=
.gz
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.t=
ar.gz
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.=
msi

Please report any problems with this software ASAP so I can address them.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

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Subject: IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Prototype Experience
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Hi,



I have been playing with the IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification test=
 suite and I would like to challenge a failure seen with our IPP printers a=
t HP.



More specifically, inside ipp-tests.test, before test I-26, the tester is a=
sked to remove paper from the printer.

Next, it sends a JPEG Print-Job request before sending a Get-Printer-Attrib=
utes request right afterwards with the expectation that "media-needed" keyw=
ord should be in "printer-state-reasons"

Due to hardware limitations, there may be printers in the world that cannot=
 detect out of paper at the time when this request arrives.  For example, o=
n this printer, we currently have "spool-area-full-report" to reflect we ar=
e working on the job.



Since this is a JPEG, this printer will take in the data and reply back to =
the Print-Job request fairly quickly. However, it does not have media prese=
nce capabilities so it needs some time, beyond the time given by the test s=
cript, to go through the mechanical motions to detect out of paper.



It would be better if the scripts adjusted to these timing issues using del=
ays or repeats with limits.



Thank you in advance,

Eren Rodriguez @ HP inkjet


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bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I have =
been playing with the IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification test suite =
and I would like to challenge a failure seen with our IPP printers at HP.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">More sp=
ecifically, inside
<b>ipp-tests.test</b>, before test I-26, the tester is asked to remove pape=
r from the printer.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Next, i=
t sends a JPEG Print-Job request before sending a Get-Printer-Attributes re=
quest right afterwards with the expectation that &#8220;media-needed&#8221;=
 keyword should be in &#8220;printer-state-reasons&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Due to =
hardware limitations, there may be printers in the world that cannot detect=
 out of paper at the time when this request arrives.&nbsp; For example, on =
this printer, we currently have &#8220;spool-area-full-report&#8221;
 to reflect we are working on the job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Since t=
his is a JPEG, this printer will take in the data and reply back to the Pri=
nt-Job request fairly quickly. However, it does not have media presence cap=
abilities so it needs some time, beyond
 the time given by the test script, to go through the mechanical motions to=
 detect out of paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It woul=
d be better if the scripts adjusted to these timing issues using delays or =
repeats with limits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thank y=
ou in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Eren Ro=
driguez @ HP inkjet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Till,

It SHOULD be "PWGRaster" (as registered), but clients that are examining CMD values MUST compare as case-insensitive.  The SHOULD part is insurance because historically there have been client applications that don't do a case-insensitive comparison...


> On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much, I have forwarded this to the manufacturer.
> 
> Does upper/lower case matter in the CMD: field? Or can I also use "PWGRASTER"?
> 
>   Till
> 
> On 11/10/2015 02:03 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
>> Per PWG 5107.2:
>> 
>>    Conforming implementations of this specification SHOULD use IANA
>>    Printer MIB Interpreter Types (primary) or MIME Media Types
>>    (secondary) instead of private types, for interoperability.
>> 
>> 
>> The current IANA Printer MIB
>> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaprinter-mib/ianaprinter-mib) has
>> the following:
>> 
>>    PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
>>    ...
>>             langPWGRaster(84),   -- Not in RFC 1759
>>                                  -- PWG 5102.4: PWG Raster Format
>>                                  -- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/
>>                                  --   cs-ippraster10-20120420-5102.4.pdf
>>                                  -- MIME type "image/pwg-raster"
>> 
>> which means that the CMD field SHOULD contain either 'PWGRaster'
>> (preferred) or 'image/pwg-raster'.
>> 
> 

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Eren,

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren <eren.rodriguez@hp.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, =
ipp-tests.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.

Section 3.2.3.9 ("Printer Fault") explicitly mentions "out of paper" =
faults, and RFC 2911 (and 5100.14) require support for the =
"printer-state-reasons" attribute.

That said, the intent is that IPP Everywhere printers be able to report =
"out of paper" primarily while a job is being printed (where it matters =
most).  So I think the solution here is to drop the 'media-empty' test =
and add a delay before the 'media-needed' test.

Is 10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job request?



> I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see the attached =
e-mail for more details. It is about giving printers more time to pull =
and realize an out of paper situation.
> I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon =
acknowledgement, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting  =
'media-empty*' in "printer-state-reasons". Only printers with presence =
sensors can accomplish this.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
Michael Sweet
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:08 AM
> To: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list
> Subject: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification =
Tools posted
>=20
> All,
>=20
> I have posted updated IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools =
based on the latest stable draft of the self-certification manual.  =
Download links are below and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:
>=20
>    http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html
>=20
>    =
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>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar.gz=

>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.tar.=
gz
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.msi=

>=20
> Please report any problems with this software ASAP so I can address =
them.
>=20
> _________________________________________________________
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class=3D"">Eren,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eren.rodriguez@hp.com" =
class=3D"">eren.rodriguez@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP =
Everywhere, ipp-tests.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.<br =
class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Section 3.2.3.9 =
("Printer Fault") explicitly mentions "out of paper" faults, and RFC =
2911 (and 5100.14) require support for the "printer-state-reasons" =
attribute.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>That said, the intent is =
that IPP Everywhere printers be able to report "out of paper" primarily =
while a job is being printed (where it matters most). &nbsp;So I think =
the solution here is to drop the 'media-empty' test and add a delay =
before the 'media-needed' test.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Is =
10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job request?</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I had posted about I-26 back =
in January. You can see the attached e-mail for more details. It is =
about giving printers more time to pull and realize an out of paper =
situation.<br class=3D"">I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of =
a tray. Upon acknowledgement, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes =
expecting &nbsp;'media-empty*' in "printer-state-reasons". Only printers =
with presence sensors can accomplish this.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
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Yes - 10 seconds is sufficient to report 'media-needed' when out of paper i=
n a job.

Thank you!

From: msweet@apple.com [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:19 AM
To: Rodriguez, Eren
Cc: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list
Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification T=
ools Experience

Eren,

On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren <eren.rodriguez@hp.com<mailto=
:eren.rodriguez@hp.com>> wrote:

Hi,

While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, ipp-te=
sts.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.

Section 3.2.3.9 ("Printer Fault") explicitly mentions "out of paper" faults=
, and RFC 2911 (and 5100.14) require support for the "printer-state-reasons=
" attribute.

That said, the intent is that IPP Everywhere printers be able to report "ou=
t of paper" primarily while a job is being printed (where it matters most).=
  So I think the solution here is to drop the 'media-empty' test and add a =
delay before the 'media-needed' test.

Is 10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job request?




I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see the attached e-mail fo=
r more details. It is about giving printers more time to pull and realize a=
n out of paper situation.
I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon acknowledgement=
, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting  'media-empty*' in "printer-s=
tate-reasons". Only printers with presence sensors can accomplish this.

Thanks,
Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:08 AM
To: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list
Subject: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools=
 posted

All,

I have posted updated IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools based=
 on the latest stable draft of the self-certification manual.  Download lin=
ks are below and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:

   http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html

   http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx.dmg
   http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar.=
gz
   http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.ta=
r.gz
   http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.m=
si

Please report any problems with this software ASAP so I can address them.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

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eded&#8217; when out of paper in a job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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serif;color:black">Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> msweet@apple.com [mailto:mswee=
t@apple.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rodriguez, Eren<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certific=
ation Tools Experience<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Eren,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:eren.rodriguez@hp.com">eren.rodriguez@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, ipp-te=
sts.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Section 3.2.3.9 (&quot;Printer Fault&quot;) explicit=
ly mentions &quot;out of paper&quot; faults, and RFC 2911 (and 5100.14) req=
uire support for the &quot;printer-state-reasons&quot; attribute.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">That said, the intent is that IPP Everywhere printer=
s be able to report &quot;out of paper&quot; primarily while a job is being=
 printed (where it matters most). &nbsp;So I think the solution here is to =
drop the 'media-empty' test and add a delay before
 the 'media-needed' test.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is 10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job r=
equest?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see=
 the attached e-mail for more details. It is about giving printers more tim=
e to pull and realize an out of paper situation.<br>
I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon acknowledgement=
, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting &nbsp;'media-empty*' in &quot=
;printer-state-reasons&quot;. Only printers with presence sensors can accom=
plish this.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] On Behalf=
 Of Michael Sweet<br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:08 AM<br>
To: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list<br>
Subject: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools=
 posted<br>
<br>
All,<br>
<br>
I have posted updated IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools based=
 on the latest stable draft of the self-certification manual. &nbsp;Downloa=
d links are below and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html">http:/=
/www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html</a><br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippevesel=
fcert10-20151009-osx.dmg">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfce=
rt10-20151009-osx.dmg</a><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippevesel=
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OK, the IPP test changes have been updated and pushed to the Github =
repository.


> On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Rodriguez, Eren <eren.rodriguez@hp.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Yes - 10 seconds is sufficient to report =E2=80=98media-needed=E2=80=99 =
when out of paper in a job.
> =20
> Thank you!
> =20
> From: msweet@apple.com <mailto:msweet@apple.com> =
[mailto:msweet@apple.com <mailto:msweet@apple.com>]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: Rodriguez, Eren
> Cc: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list
> Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer =
Self-Certification Tools Experience
> =20
> Eren,
> =20
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren <eren.rodriguez@hp.com =
<mailto:eren.rodriguez@hp.com>> wrote:
> =20
> Hi,
>=20
> While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, =
ipp-tests.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.
> =20
> Section 3.2.3.9 ("Printer Fault") explicitly mentions "out of paper" =
faults, and RFC 2911 (and 5100.14) require support for the =
"printer-state-reasons" attribute.
> =20
> That said, the intent is that IPP Everywhere printers be able to =
report "out of paper" primarily while a job is being printed (where it =
matters most).  So I think the solution here is to drop the =
'media-empty' test and add a delay before the 'media-needed' test.
> =20
> Is 10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job request?
> =20
> =20
>=20
>=20
> I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see the attached =
e-mail for more details. It is about giving printers more time to pull =
and realize an out of paper situation.
> I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon =
acknowledgement, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting  =
'media-empty*' in "printer-state-reasons". Only printers with presence =
sensors can accomplish this.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org <mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> =
[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org <mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org>] On Behalf Of =
Michael Sweet
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:08 AM
> To: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list
> Subject: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification =
Tools posted
>=20
> All,
>=20
> I have posted updated IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools =
based on the latest stable draft of the self-certification manual.  =
Download links are below and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:
>=20
>    http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html =
<http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html>
>=20
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx.dmg =
<http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx.dmg>
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar.gz=
 =
<http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar.g=
z>
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.tar.=
gz =
<http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.tar=
.gz>
>    =
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.msi=
 =
<http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.ms=
i>
>=20
> Please report any problems with this software ASAP so I can address =
them.
>=20
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> ipp mailing list
> ipp@pwg.org <mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">OK, the IPP test changes have been updated and pushed to the =
Github repository.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Nov 10, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Rodriguez, Eren &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eren.rodriguez@hp.com" =
class=3D"">eren.rodriguez@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Yes - 10 seconds =
is sufficient to report =E2=80=98media-needed=E2=80=99 when out of paper =
in a job.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Thank you!<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: =
3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">msweet@apple.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, November 10, 2015 =
9:19 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Rodriguez, Eren<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>ipp; IPP Everywhere =
Self-Certification discussion list<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [IPP] Updated beta IPP =
Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools Experience<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Eren,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On =
Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eren.rodriguez@hp.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">eren.rodriguez@hp.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">While =
media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, =
ipp-tests.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Section 3.2.3.9 ("Printer Fault") explicitly mentions "out of =
paper" faults, and RFC 2911 (and 5100.14) require support for the =
"printer-state-reasons" attribute.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">That said, the intent is that IPP Everywhere printers =
be able to report "out of paper" primarily while a job is being printed =
(where it matters most). &nbsp;So I think the solution here is to drop =
the 'media-empty' test and add a delay before the 'media-needed' =
test.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">Is 10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job =
request?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: =
5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see =
the attached e-mail for more details. It is about giving printers more =
time to pull and realize an out of paper situation.<br class=3D"">I-28 =
pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon acknowledgement, =
it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting &nbsp;'media-empty*' in =
"printer-state-reasons". Only printers with presence sensors can =
accomplish this.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Eren =
Rodriguez @ HP Inc.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] =
On Behalf Of Michael Sweet<br class=3D"">Sent: Wednesday, October 28, =
2015 10:08 AM<br class=3D"">To: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification =
discussion list<br class=3D"">Subject: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere =
Printer Self-Certification Tools posted<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">All,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have posted updated IPP =
Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools based on the latest stable =
draft of the self-certification manual. &nbsp;Download links are below =
and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx=
.dmg" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-=
osx.dmg</a><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhe=
l.tar.gz" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-=
rhel.tar.gz</a><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubu=
ntu.tar.gz" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-=
ubuntu.tar.gz</a><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-win=
dows.msi" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-=
windows.msi</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please report any problems =
with this software ASAP so I can address them.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_________________________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br =
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">ipp mailing list<br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">ipp@pwg.org</a><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</a><br =
class=3D"">&lt;Mail Attachment.eml&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Andale Mono', serif;" =
class=3D"">_________________________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing =
System&nbsp;Engineer</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: =
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: 'Andale Mono'; =
orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">_________________________________________________________</span=
><br class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: 'Andale Mono'; orphans: 2; widows: =
2;"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Andale Mono'; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing =
System&nbsp;Engineer</span></div></div>

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All,

I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Manual v1.0 to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20151110.docx
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20151110.pdf
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20151110-rev.pdf

This version incorporates all of the changes from the F2F review.  Updated self-certification tools should be posted later this week (will follow up when they are available...)

The plan is to start a PWG Last Call as soon as we have approval from the Steering Committee.

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Subject: [IPP] Last-call self-certification tools posted, beta web site updated
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All,

I have updated the self-certification tools to match the stable draft of the IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Manual v1.0 that I posted earlier this week.  They can be downloaded from the IPP Everywhere page:

    http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html

The beta web site also has the updated self-certification submission page which correctly validates the submitted results. Links to the submission and printer list pages are available on the IPP Everywhere page above.

Please let me know if you run into any problems with the supplied files or the beta web site.

Enjoy!

_________________________________________________________
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Hi,

Forwarding the conclusions from a recent off-list thread on IPP Staple
and Punch origins/angles/dimensions/etc.

Cheers,
- Ira


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: IPP definitions of staple and punch dimensions?
To: "Kennedy, Smith" <smith.kennedy@hp.com>
Cc: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>


Smith,

On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Kennedy, Smith <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Even if we had "-supported" and "-default" I cannot imagine that a) the
attributes would be commonly used (likely would be hidden under an
"advanced" section in UI); and b) would usually be a very small set unless
the device is very capable.


Agreed.  (that's why I suggested possible xxx-configured attributes to
provide implementation details to the client, no xxx-supported or
xxx-default)

I want to document the current "design pattern" for attribute clusters,
because the shift from "xxx-default" / "xxx-supported" to "xxx-default" /
"xxx-configured" / "xxx-supported" is still a shift for me.


An errata that defines the intent would be OK by me.


A couple of follow-up questions from our firmware folks:

Given a top staple left of a portrait document, I can construct the
following diagram:

<image002.png>


This is the top left of a page.
=C2=B7         Center of staple is the intersection of line segment AB & GH=
.
=C2=B7         Does this make the stitching offset the distance from the le=
ft
side of the document to the line segment GH?
=C2=B7         Is the Process Axis line segment GH

Or
=C2=B7         Is the Process Axis line segment CD
=C2=B7         Offset is the distance from line segment CD to edge of page
=C2=B7         Center is the projection of the staple=E2=80=99s physical ce=
nter to the
line segment CD.


IMHO, the first is the right one.  Is there any concern with a portion of
the staple being between the process axis and the edge?  If that is an
issue that must be accounted for, punched holes would violate that as well,
much more egregiously than a staple that is parallel to the reference edge.


I agree that the first one is correct (or what I would expect, anyways... :=
)

As for the staple going over the edge, I'd guess the printer would limit
the supported stitching-locations and stitching-offset values to prevent
the staple from going off the edge.

Also, the snippet of CIP4 JDF below doesn't seem to specify a staple
rotation angle, which would be needed for making these calculations, unless
we were to use one end of the staple as the axis (which would be another
alternative for ensuring that none of the staple would intrude into the
space between the reference edge and process axis).


Also why do the specs assume the staples are parallel to the reference
edge, when in the case of single staples they are clearly angled?


Isn't this an informal convention? I am pretty sure I've seen different
implementations in the wild that place the corner staple parallel to either
the left or top edges.


Yes, the angle is implementation-defined but currently undiscoverable by
the Client to show the user...

(and FWIW most of the stapler finishers I've used have put the staples
parallel to an edge and not angled...)

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Forwarding the conclu=
sions from a recent off-list thread on IPP Staple<br></div>and Punch origin=
s/angles/dimensions/etc.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div=
 style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div st=
yle=3D"display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></=
div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>F=
rom: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Michael Sweet</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date=
: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:34 PM<br>Subject: Re: IPP definitions of staple and=
 punch dimensions?<br>To: &quot;Kennedy, Smith&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Ira McDonald &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
br><br><br><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Smith,<div><br><div><span cl=
ass=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Kennedy=
, Smith &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" target=3D"_blank">smith=
.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word">Even if we had &quot;-supported&quot; and &quot;-default&quot; I cann=
ot imagine that a) the attributes would be commonly used (likely would be h=
idden under an &quot;advanced&quot; section in UI); and b) would usually be=
 a very small set unless the device is very capable.</div></div></blockquot=
e><div><br></div></span><div>Agreed. =C2=A0(that&#39;s why I suggested poss=
ible xxx-configured attributes to provide implementation details to the cli=
ent, no xxx-supported or xxx-default)</div><span class=3D""><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I want to document =
the current &quot;design pattern&quot; for attribute clusters, because the =
shift from &quot;xxx-default&quot; / &quot;xxx-supported&quot; to &quot;xxx=
-default&quot; / &quot;xxx-configured&quot; / &quot;xxx-supported&quot; is =
still a shift for me.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>An erra=
ta that defines the intent would be OK by me.</div><div><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span class=3D""><div><=
br></div><div>A couple of follow-up questions from our firmware folks:</div=
><div><br></div></span><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div link=3D"blue" vl=
ink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><span class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0i=
n 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">Given a top staple left of a portrait document, I can construct the=
 following diagram:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">=C2=A0</span></div></span><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size=
:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span>&lt;image002.png&g=
t;</span></div></div></div></blockquote><span class=3D""><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><div styl=
e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roma=
n&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;=
color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0=
in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,1=
25)">=C2=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12p=
t;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11p=
t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is the top left=
 of a page.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt=
 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>=C2=B7=
<span style=3D"font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:&#39;Times New =
Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></=
span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(31,73,125)">Center of staple is the intersection of line segment AB=
 &amp; GH.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>=C2=B7<=
span style=3D"font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:&#39;Times New R=
oman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></s=
pan></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(31,73,125)">Does this make the stitching offset the distance from th=
e left side of the document to the line segment GH?<u></u><u></u></span></d=
iv><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:S=
ymbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-size:7pt;line-h=
eight:normal;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></span></span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Is the Proces=
s Axis line segment GH<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0=
in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,1=
25)">=C2=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12p=
t;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11p=
t;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Or<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-size:7pt;=
line-height:normal;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></span></span><span style=3D"=
font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Is the =
Process Axis line segment CD<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin=
:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39=
;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,1=
25)"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-famil=
y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</span></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cal=
ibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Offset is the distance from line segm=
ent CD to edge of page<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0=
in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,seri=
f"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><=
span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:&#39=
;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</span></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,s=
ans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Center is the projection of the staple=E2=
=80=99s physical center to the line segment CD.</span></div></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div>IMHO, the first is the right one.=C2=A0 Is there a=
ny concern with a portion of the staple being between the process axis and =
the edge?=C2=A0 If that is an issue that must be accounted for, punched hol=
es would violate that as well, much more egregiously than a staple that is =
parallel to the reference edge.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div>I agree that the first one is correct (or what I would expect, any=
ways... :)</div><div><br></div><div>As for the staple going over the edge, =
I&#39;d guess the printer would limit the supported stitching-locations and=
 stitching-offset values to prevent the staple from going off the edge.</di=
v><div><br></div><div><span class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Also, the snippet of CIP4 JDF below doe=
sn&#39;t seem to specify a staple rotation angle, which would be needed for=
 making these calculations, unless we were to use one end of the staple as =
the axis (which would be another alternative for ensuring that none of the =
staple would intrude into the space between the reference edge and process =
axis).</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"=
purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-=
family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-=
family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=C2=A0=
</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fami=
ly:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also why do the specs assume th=
e staples are parallel to the reference edge, when in the case of single st=
aples they are clearly angled?</span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><=
div><br></div><div><div>Isn&#39;t this an informal convention? I am pretty =
sure I&#39;ve seen different implementations in the wild that place the cor=
ner staple parallel to either the left or top edges.</div></div></div></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div></span>Yes, the angle is implementation-define=
d but currently undiscoverable by the Client to show the user...</div><div>=
<br></div><div>(and FWIW most of the stapler finishers I&#39;ve used have p=
ut the staples parallel to an edge and not angled...)</div><span class=3D""=
><div><br></div><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wra=
p:break-word"><div><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Andale Mono&#39;">______=
___________________________________________________</span><br style=3D"font=
-family:&#39;Andale Mono&#39;"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Andale Mono&=
#39;">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0Engineer</span></div></div=
>

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Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be Monday 16 November 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm
US Eastern

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Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date
Time: 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 682 763 393
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Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and Agenda Review
- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20151019.pdf
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20151104.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike/Smith)
* IPP 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 (Mike/Ira)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/standards/std-ipp20-20151030-5100.12.pdf
-- PWG Standard 5100.12-2015
-- First PWG Standard / IEEE Standard !!!

* IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification (SELFCERT) (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20151110-rev.pdf
-- Stable draft - with new PWG process updates
-- Reviewed at PWG F2F on 11/04/15
-- Dropped license agreement - use membership agreement instead
-- IPP Everywhere Self-Cert Beta tools released on 11/10/15
--- Updated per Eren Rodriguez (HP)  for 'media-needed' test (10 second
delay)
-- PWG SC Call for Objections for PWG Last Call on 11/11/15 - ends 11/16/15
-- Schedule - PWG Last Call in Q4 2015

* IPP Job Password Repertoire" (Smith)
-
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-job-password-repertoire-20151012-rev.pdf
-- Reviewed by IPP WG on 10/19/15 - waiting for new draft
-- Plan is to register stand-alone (without enclosing IPP spec)
-- Schedule - IPP WG review and IANA registration in Q4 2015

(4) Review of IPP WG Charter (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151106-rev.pdf
-- for review by IPP WG today and PWG SC on 11/19/15
-- Schedule PWG Formal Vote in Q4 2015

(5) Registration of "jpeg-features-supported" (Mike)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2015/018635.html
-- posted by Mike on 10/21/15
- http://afpcinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AFPC-Subsets-v2.0.pdf
-- excellent AFPC reference from Harry Lewis on 10/21/15 - thanks!
-- Schedule - IPP WG approval and IANA registration in Q4 2015

(6) CMD field of IEEE 1284 DeviceID for PWG Raster (Till Kamppeter)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2015/018643.html
-- Mike answered per PWG 5107.2 on 11/08/15 - use Printer MIB value

(7) IPP Staple and Punch Origins/Angles/Dimensions (Smith/Ira/Mike)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2015/018651.html
-- off-list discussion on 11/06/15 to 11/09/15 started by Smith
-- potential errata update to IPP Finishings 2.0 based on JDF attributes
-- Mike/Ira to review JDF attributes and propose IPP extensions

(8) Review of IETF IPP/1.1 Updates (Mike/Ira)
- https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sweet-rfc2910bis-05.txt
- http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05.txt
-- changes for new IETF Proposed Standard
-- Barry Leiba (IETF ART AD) will be AD sponsor - note on 07/12/15
-- Reviewed 2911bis at PWG F2F on 11/04/15 - stopped at section 5.4.28
-- Schedule - IETF Last Call in Q1/Q2 2016

(9) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.pdf
-- Interim draft - need to add operation and attribute details
-- Reviewed by IPP WG on 10/05/15 - stopped at section 7.2
-- Schedule - Prototype draft in Q1/Q2 2016

(10) Next steps
- IPP WG call on Monday 7 December 2015 at 3-5pm US Eastern
- IPP WG call on Monday 4 January 2016 at 3-5pm US Eastern

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br>Our next <span><span><span><span=
>IPP</span></span></span></span> WG call will be Monday 16 November 12-<spa=
n><span>2pm</span></span> US Pacific / <span><span>3-5pm</span></span> US E=
astern<br>
<br>
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-866-469-3239" value=
=3D"+18664693239" target=3D"_blank">1-866-469-3239</a><br>
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-650-429-3300" value=3D"+1=
6504293300" target=3D"_blank">1-650-429-3300</a> (Primary)<br>
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): <a href=3D"tel:1-408-856-9570" value=3D"+1=
4088569570" target=3D"_blank">1-408-856-9570</a> (Backup)<br>
<br>
Attendee Access Code: *******#<br>
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">NOTE:=C2=A0 Please DO NOT U=
SE the audio bridge number listed by WebEx<br>
- instead use the regular PWG conference bridge listed above!</span><br>
<br>
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Meeting information<br>
-------------------------------------------------------<br>
Topic: <span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span>/Cloud WG<br>
Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date<br>
Time: 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)<br>
Meeting Number: 682 763 393<br>
Meeting Password: Printing123<br>
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422&amp;UID=3D1183762537&amp;PW=3DNYTM5NTNhNjUy&amp;RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=3D152699422&am=
p;UID=3D1183762537&amp;PW=3DNYTM5NTNhNjUy&amp;RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D</a><br>
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3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123<br>
4. Click &quot;Join&quot;.<br>
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ID=3D1183762537&amp;PW=3DNYTM5NTNhNjUy&amp;ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=3D152699422&amp;UID=3D=
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ank">https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc</a><br>
2. On the left navigation bar, click &quot;Support&quot;.<br>
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<br>
<span><span><span><span><span><span>Agenda</span></span></span></span></spa=
n></span>:<br>
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, and <span><span><span><span><span><span>Ag=
enda</span></span></span></span></span></span> Review<br>
- Mike as minute taker?<br>
<br>
(2) Approve <span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span> minutes=
 from previous meetings<br>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-2=
0151019.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2=
-concall-minutes-20151019.pdf</a><br>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pw=
g/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20151104.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.=
pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20151104.pdf</a><br><br>
(3) Status of various <span><span><span><span>IPP</span></span></span></spa=
n> documents (Ira/Mike/Smith)<br>
<div><div>* IPP 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 (Mike/Ira)<br>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://ftp.pw=
g.org/pub/pwg/standards/std-ipp20-20151030-5100.12.pdf" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/standards/std-ipp20-20151030-5=
100.12.pdf</a><br></div>-- PWG Standard 5100.12-2015<br></div><div>-- First=
 PWG Standard / IEEE Standard !!!<br></div><div><br>* <span><span><span><sp=
an>IPP</span></span></span></span> Everywhere Printer Self-Certification (S=
ELFCERT) (Mike)<br>
- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20151110=
-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveself=
cert10-20151110-rev.pdf</a><br><div>-- Stable draft - with new PWG process =
updates<br>-- Reviewed at PWG F2F on 11/04/15<br></div><div>-- Dropped lice=
nse agreement - use membership agreement instead<br></div><div>-- IPP Every=
where Self-Cert Beta tools released on 11/10/15<br></div><div>--- Updated p=
er Eren Rodriguez (HP)=C2=A0 for &#39;media-needed&#39; test (10 second del=
ay)<br></div><div>-- PWG SC Call for Objections for PWG Last Call on 11/11/=
15 - ends 11/16/15<br></div>
-- Schedule - PWG Last Call in Q4 2015<br><br>* IPP Job Password Repertoire=
&quot; (Smith)<br><div>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-jo=
b-password-repertoire-20151012-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.or=
g/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-job-password-repertoire-20151012-rev.pdf</a><br></div><=
div>-- Reviewed by IPP WG on 10/19/15 - waiting for new draft<br></div><div=
>-- Plan is to register stand-alone (without enclosing IPP spec)<br></div>-=
- Schedule - IPP WG review and IANA registration in Q4 2015</div><div><br><=
/div><div>(4) Review of IPP WG Charter (Mike)<br>- <a href=3D"http://ftp.pw=
g.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151106-rev.pdf" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151106-r=
ev.pdf</a><br></div><div>-- for review by IPP WG today and PWG SC on 11/19/=
15<br></div><div>-- Schedule PWG Formal Vote in Q4 2015<br><br></div><div>(=
5) Registration of &quot;jpeg-features-supported&quot; (Mike)<br>- <a href=
=3D"http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2015/018635.html">http://www.pwg.org/ar=
chives/ipp/2015/018635.html</a><br></div><div>-- posted by Mike on 10/21/15=
<br>- <a href=3D"http://afpcinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AFPC-Subsets=
-v2.0.pdf">http://afpcinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AFPC-Subsets-v2.0.=
pdf</a><br></div><div>-- excellent AFPC reference from Harry Lewis on 10/21=
/15 - thanks!<br></div><div>-- Schedule - IPP WG approval and IANA registra=
tion in Q4 2015<br></div><div><br></div><div>(6) CMD field of IEEE 1284 Dev=
iceID for PWG Raster (Till Kamppeter)<br>- <a href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/ar=
chives/ipp/2015/018643.html">http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2015/018643.ht=
ml</a><br></div><div>-- Mike answered per PWG 5107.2 on 11/08/15 - use Prin=
ter MIB value<br><br></div><div>(7) IPP Staple and Punch Origins/Angles/Dim=
ensions (Smith/Ira/Mike)<br></div><div>- <a href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/arch=
ives/ipp/2015/018651.html">http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2015/018651.html=
</a><br></div><div>-- off-list discussion on 11/06/15 to 11/09/15 started b=
y Smith<br>-- potential errata update to IPP Finishings 2.0 based on JDF at=
tributes<br></div><div>-- Mike/Ira to review JDF attributes and propose IPP=
 extensions<br><br></div><div></div></div><div>(8) Review of IETF IPP/1.1 U=
pdates (Mike/Ira)<br>- <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draf=
t-sweet-rfc2910bis-05.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/internet-=
drafts/draft-sweet-rfc2910bis-05.txt</a><br>- <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.or=
g/internet-drafts/draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05.txt" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sweet-rfc2911bis-05.txt</a><br>-- changes=
 for new IETF Proposed Standard<br><div>-- Barry Leiba (IETF ART AD) will b=
e AD sponsor - note on 07/12/15<br>-- Reviewed 2911bis at PWG F2F on 11/04/=
15 - stopped at section 5.4.28<br></div>-- Schedule - IETF Last Call in Q1/=
Q2 2016<br><br></div></div></div></div><div><div>(9) Review of <span><span>=
<span><span>IPP</span></span></span></span> System Service (Ira/Mike)<br>- =
<a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151102-rev.pd=
f" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20151=
102-rev.pdf</a><br>-- Interim draft - need to add operation and attribute d=
etails<br>-- Reviewed by IPP WG on 10/05/15 - stopped at section 7.2<br>-- =
Schedule - Prototype draft in Q1/Q2 2016<br><br></div><div>(10) Next steps<=
br><span></span><span><span></span></span>- <span><span>IPP</span></span> W=
G call on Monday 7 December 2015 at 3-5pm US Eastern</div>- <span><span>IPP=
</span></span> WG call on Monday 4 January 2016 at 3-5pm US Eastern</div><b=
r>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br><br><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Tru=
sted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>=
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,20=
4)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:bl=
ueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Win=
ter=C2=A0 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094<br=
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All,

I have posted an updated draft of the IPP 3D Printing Extensions to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/3d-printing/wd-apple-ipp3d-20151116.docx
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/3d-printing/wd-apple-ipp3d-20151116.pdf
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/3d-printing/wd-apple-ipp3d-20151116-rev.pdf

This version incorporates all of the editorial feedback from the F2F.

I will be posting a separate thread to discuss changing how the current subunit values are reported (fan speed and temperatures).

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All,

I have posted the minutes from today's IPP WG conference call to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20151116.pdf

Our next conference call is on December 7, 2015 at 3pm ET.

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Greetings,

I recall both from memory and by reviewing the minutes of the October 19 =
meeting =
(http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20151019.pdf=
 =
<http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20151019.pdf=
>) that we discussed creating a new "job-password-input-supported" =
attribute:

=E2=81=83 Value of 0 means password can be empty.
=E2=81=83 Add reference to PWG 5100.11 (JPS2)
=E2=81=83 Change to "job-password-input-supported =
(rangeOfInteger(0:MAX))"
=E2=81=83 Clarify that this reflects the number of characters entered by =
the user (on the Client or Printer)
=E2=81=83 Upper range MAY be different than job-password-supported since =
that attribute refers to the number of octets in the password that are =
hashed vs. the number of characters
The belief that "job-password-supported" refers to "the supported number =
of octets in the password that are hashed" turns out to be incorrect.  =
Quoting 5100.11 section 10.3, the definition for =
"job-password-supported" says this:
The "job-password-supported" attribute indicates the maximum length that =
the Printer will accept for the unencrypted password which the client =
will encrypt as the value of the "job-password" Operation Attribute.=20

Creating this new attribute would reverse our earlier long standing =
agreed-upon position that creating a new range attribute would be =
unnecessary.  But our interpretation in that meeting was incorrect.  So =
I'm not going to create a range, as per the minutes from Oct. 19=20

I've made a comment in the document so that we can discuss in the next =
meeting if we don't get to this on the reflector.

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
    Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
    Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC =
Forum / USB IF
    PWG Chair
    HP Inc.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Greetings,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I recall both from memory and by reviewing the minutes of the =
October 19 meeting (<a =
href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20151=
019.pdf" =
class=3D"">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20=
151019.pdf</a>)&nbsp;that we discussed creating a new =
"job-password-input-supported" attribute:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">=E2=81=83 Value of 0 =
means password can be empty.</div><div class=3D"">=E2=81=83 Add =
reference to PWG 5100.11 (JPS2)</div><div class=3D"">=E2=81=83 Change to =
"job-password-input-supported (rangeOfInteger(0:MAX))"</div><div =
class=3D"">=E2=81=83 Clarify that this reflects the number of characters =
entered by the user (on the Client or Printer)</div><div class=3D"">=E2=81=
=83 Upper range MAY be different than job-password-supported <b =
class=3D""><font color=3D"#ff2600" class=3D"">since that attribute =
refers to the number of octets in the password that are =
hashed</font></b> vs. the number of characters</div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"page" title=3D"Page 2"><div =
class=3D"layoutArea"><div class=3D"column"><ul style=3D"list-style-type: =
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								</li>
							</ul>
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			</div>
		</div></div><div class=3D"">The belief that =
"job-password-supported" refers to "the supported number of octets in =
the password that are hashed" turns out to be incorrect. &nbsp;Quoting =
5100.11 section 10.3, the definition for "job-password-supported" says =
this:</div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; =
padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"page" title=3D"Page 57"><div =
class=3D"layoutArea"><div class=3D"column"><p class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: ArialMT;" class=3D"">The =
"job-password-supported" attribute indicates the&nbsp;<b class=3D""><font =
color=3D"#ff2600" class=3D"">maximum length that the Printer will accept =
for the unencrypted password</font></b>&nbsp;which the client will =
encrypt as the value of the "job-password" Operation =
Attribute.&nbsp;</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div =
class=3D"">Creating this new attribute would reverse our earlier long =
standing agreed-upon position that creating a new range attribute would =
be unnecessary. &nbsp;But our interpretation in that meeting was =
incorrect. &nbsp;So I'm not going to create a range, as per the minutes =
from Oct. 19&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I've made a comment in the document so that we can discuss in =
the next meeting if we don't get to this on the reflector.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: =
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">Smith</span><br style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><br=
 style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><span style=3D"orphans: 2; =
widows: 2;" class=3D"">/**</span><br style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: ArialMT; =
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
Smith Kennedy<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; Wireless Architect - Client =
Software - IPG-PPS</span><span style=3D"font-family: ArialMT;" =
class=3D""></span><div style=3D"font-family: ArialMT;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC =
Forum / USB IF</span></div><div style=3D"font-family: ArialMT;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; PWG Chair<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; HP =
Inc.</span></div></div><div style=3D"font-family: ArialMT;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">*/</span><br style=3D"font-family: Arial; orphans: 2; widows: =
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Hi,

Thanks Mike.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Thanks Mike.<br><br></div>=
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p<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designa=
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Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of new IPP WG charter posted
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All,

I have posted an updated stable draft of the new IPP WG charter to:

	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151119.docx
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151119.pdf
	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-charter-20151119-rev.pdf

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Hi,

[from yesterday's Automotive IT newsletter]

Obviously, not printed on a hobbyist 3D Printer, but interesting:

http://www.automotiveitnews.org/articles/1111686/from-divergent-a-108-pound-3d-printed-car-chassis/

The video linked in the article is interesting too, because these folks
plan to sell the technologies and engineering to others, rather than
build cars themselves.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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Excellent work!  Thanks Mike!

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Greetings,

An updated draft of the "job-password-repertoire" whitepaper has been uploaded for review:

    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-job-password-repertoire-20151128.pdf
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-job-password-repertoire-20151128.docx
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-job-password-repertoire-20151128-rev.pdf
    http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wp-job-password-repertoire-20151128-rev.docx

Most issues identified in the Oct. 19 conference call have been addressed; the shift from "job-password-minimum-length" to "job-password-input-supported" range attribute was not made, and we can discuss that in the next IPP WG call.

Cheers,

Smith

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