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X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM Group, Happy new year. On December 21, we suggested the following next steps for the reordering draft. >* The group draft has been stable for a year and the majority of the > WG supports it. We therefor propose to declare "rough consensus", > do a WGLC and move the document forward. > >* We will add a stable reference to the CSU draft in the group draft. > >* We propose that the WG will not pick up the CSU draft as a WG document, > as there seems to be no support for this. No comments were received and we decided to go ahead as planned. Matt & Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 14:38:53 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuETF-0004Qk-9q; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:38:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuETD-0004Pw-Gq for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:38:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15371 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from postman.ripe.net ([193.0.0.199]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuEYi-0005TF-8Y for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:44:34 -0500 Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 4ACEF2417F; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:38:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from cod.ripe.net (cod.ripe.net [193.0.1.202]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845E624178 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:38:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from Geir.ripe.net (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by cod.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816C726A3 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:38:28 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060104175512.055b9da0@localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:58:15 +0100 To: ippm@ietf.org From: Henk Uijterwaal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -5.9 X-RIPE-Signature: 8322a45f2ecf960ceb7f4c6b271458b8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: Subject: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-reordering X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM Group, The reordering draft has been extensively discussed in the working group. The document (draft-ietf-ippm-reordering) has been stable for almost a year. We like to start a WG Last Call on this document. Please raise any remaining issues before 20 January 2006. Matt & Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 10:21:29 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Evypt-0003YR-4g; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:21:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Evypr-0003YM-Np for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:21:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21119 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wyvern.icir.org ([192.150.187.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvywH-0007mJ-F7 for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:28:10 -0500 Received: from guns.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by wyvern.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k09FL29r015610; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mallman@icir.org) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (guns.icir.org [69.222.35.58]) by guns.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D9E77AAA7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lawyers.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9CE3A03FD; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:20:25 -0500 (EST) To: Henk Uijterwaal From: Mark Allman Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20051221151008.02c934a0@localhost> Organization: ICSI Center for Internet Research (ICIR) Song-of-the-Day: Crazy Little Thing Called Love MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:20:25 -0500 Message-Id: <20060109152025.ED9CE3A03FD@lawyers.icir.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: mankin@psg.com, Matthew J Zekauskas , ippm@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mallman@icir.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0817857228==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============0817857228== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_bOundary"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=_bOundary Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I think the plan looks good. But, > * We will add a stable reference to the CSU draft in the group draft. > > * We propose that the WG will not pick up the CSU draft as a WG document, > as there seems to be no support for this. I can't make these two points jive in my head. Can you explain how you intend to make a stable reference in the group draft? allman --=_bOundary Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDwn85WyrrWs4yIs4RAhkuAJ9BDVD3Sy4WEqUAlvSKQOT0yV5wzgCfevAT +k7OvOtPFVKetEFouVkMvlU= =8ipw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_bOundary-- --===============0817857228== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============0817857228==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 10:31:08 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvyzE-0005wT-6l; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:31:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Evyu8-00050Z-V4 for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:25:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21487 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Evz0a-0007vn-5X for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:32:37 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1136820304!9100462!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [134.24.146.4] Received: (qmail 15512 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 15:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maillennium.att.com) (134.24.146.4) by server-10.tower-121.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 15:25:19 -0000 Received: from acmt.att.com (acmt.mt.att.com[135.16.251.35](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20060109152503gw100lgg1pe>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:25:03 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060109102417.058f49f0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:25:03 -0500 To: mallman@icir.org, Henk Uijterwaal From: Al Morton Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <20060109152025.ED9CE3A03FD@lawyers.icir.org> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051221151008.02c934a0@localhost> <20060109152025.ED9CE3A03FD@lawyers.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:31:06 -0500 Cc: ippm@ietf.org, Matthew J Zekauskas , mankin@psg.com X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org It will be a stable reference to the *work*, not the draft. Al At 10:20 AM 1/9/2006, Mark Allman wrote: >I think the plan looks good. But, > > > * We will add a stable reference to the CSU draft in the group draft. > > > > * We propose that the WG will not pick up the CSU draft as a WG document, > > as there seems to be no support for this. > >I can't make these two points jive in my head. Can you explain how you >intend to make a stable reference in the group draft? > >allman _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 11:35:16 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvzzI-0002gb-J8; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:35:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvzQC-00045F-KH for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:59:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA25079 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from wyvern.icir.org ([192.150.187.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvzWh-00011t-IJ for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:05:45 -0500 Received: from guns.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by wyvern.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k09FwZZr016063; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mallman@icir.org) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (guns.icir.org [69.222.35.58]) by guns.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B7077AAA7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lawyers.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43343A046E; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:57:59 -0500 (EST) To: Al Morton From: Mark Allman Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060109102417.058f49f0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> Organization: ICSI Center for Internet Research (ICIR) Song-of-the-Day: Crazy Little Thing Called Love MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:57:59 -0500 Message-Id: <20060109155759.A43343A046E@lawyers.icir.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:35:15 -0500 Cc: ippm@ietf.org, Henk Uijterwaal , Matthew J Zekauskas , mankin@psg.com X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mallman@icir.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2078391486==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============2078391486== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_bOundary"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=_bOundary Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline > It will be a stable reference to the *work*, not the draft. Well, that is not what Henk's note said. And, I am still not sure what you even mean ... When we cite "work" it's usually in document form. How is this envisioned to look in the group document? And, to be a little more verbose and to the point ... if it is important enough to have a "stable reference" in the group draft then why is it not important enough to issue a real document about the CSU stuff? I don't mean to be pedantic here, but that confuses me. allman > At 10:20 AM 1/9/2006, Mark Allman wrote: > >I think the plan looks good. But, > > > > > * We will add a stable reference to the CSU draft in the group draft. > > > > > > * We propose that the WG will not pick up the CSU draft as a WG document, > > > as there seems to be no support for this. > > > >I can't make these two points jive in my head. Can you explain how you > >intend to make a stable reference in the group draft? > > > >allman --=_bOundary Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDwogHWyrrWs4yIs4RAnOmAJ9PjmdP4HwekvXbbEtrNQKFzDO8PgCgi6Vr 2OysZu52VCXDYja6Lf3JHOE= =22ah -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_bOundary-- --===============2078391486== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============2078391486==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 12:16:38 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew0aA-0003gc-Ca; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:13:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew0a8-0003gN-U1 for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:13:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03664 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew0ge-0004V0-CX for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:20:06 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1136826764!10095874!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [134.24.146.4] Received: (qmail 12673 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2006 17:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maillennium.att.com) (134.24.146.4) by server-14.tower-121.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2006 17:12:56 -0000 Received: from acmt.att.com (acmt.mt.att.com[135.16.251.35](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20060109171244gw100lgg4de>; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:12:44 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060109120759.059ea748@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:12:44 -0500 To: mallman@icir.org From: Al Morton Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <20060109155759.A43343A046E@lawyers.icir.org> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060109102417.058f49f0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> <20060109155759.A43343A046E@lawyers.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: ippm@ietf.org, Henk Uijterwaal , Matthew J Zekauskas , mankin@psg.com X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org At 10:57 AM 1/9/2006, Mark Allman wrote: >Well, that is not what Henk's note said. Right, something I clarified off-list, since I-Ds not stable by definition. >And, I am still not sure what >you even mean ... When we cite "work" it's usually in document form. >How is this envisioned to look in the group document? It's an Informative Reference, cited as part of the ACKs. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 12:49:47 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew19P-0000sh-3A; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:49:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew19N-0000sW-Dh for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:49:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06575 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from postman.ripe.net ([193.0.0.199]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew1Fs-0005gL-4Q for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:56:31 -0500 Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id A114D23FE1; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79FD23F49; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from Geir.ripe.net (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB8C2F583; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:49:11 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060109184811.02cfa978@localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:48:45 +0100 To: Al Morton , mallman@icir.org From: Henk Uijterwaal Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060109120759.059ea748@postoffice.maillennium.a tt.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060109102417.058f49f0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> <20060109155759.A43343A046E@lawyers.icir.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20060109120759.059ea748@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000006 / -5.9 X-RIPE-Signature: c6ec31c08bc477fc20d582913464a51f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: ippm@ietf.org, Matthew J Zekauskas , mankin@psg.com X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org At 18:12 09/01/2006, Al Morton wrote: >At 10:57 AM 1/9/2006, Mark Allman wrote: >>Well, that is not what Henk's note said. > >Right, something I clarified off-list, >since I-Ds not stable by definition. Right, sorry, typed faster than I thought. Henk >>And, I am still not sure what >>you even mean ... When we cite "work" it's usually in document form. >>How is this envisioned to look in the group document? >It's an Informative Reference, cited as part of the ACKs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 15:06:00 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew3HE-0005um-3J; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:06:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew3HC-0005uS-DJ for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:05:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18481 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from wyvern.icir.org ([192.150.187.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew3Nk-0001oA-6j for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:12:45 -0500 Received: from guns.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by wyvern.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k09K5afI019339; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mallman@icir.org) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (guns.icir.org [69.222.35.58]) by guns.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E589777AAA7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lawyers.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F303A0725; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:05:00 -0500 (EST) To: Henk Uijterwaal From: Mark Allman Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060109184811.02cfa978@localhost> Organization: ICSI Center for Internet Research (ICIR) Song-of-the-Day: Crazy Little Thing Called Love MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:04:59 -0500 Message-Id: <20060109200500.11F303A0725@lawyers.icir.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: Matthew J Zekauskas , ippm@ietf.org, Al Morton , mankin@psg.com X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mallman@icir.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0529501554==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============0529501554== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_bOundary"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=_bOundary Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline > Right, sorry, typed faster than I thought. Henk Huh? A reference in the acknowledgments? How very odd. And, a reference to what? Something stable, I guess ... but, not something that we want to publish? This entire thread is confusing the hell out of me. Can Henk or Matt type out a few sentences of what the original note should have said? Thanks, allman --=_bOundary Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDwsHrWyrrWs4yIs4RAtPFAJsG+C0Ac9keABzU1xQVQPxIcQRwiQCdHXMq tzWTDvLzdgPZ2paD5S6M/qY= =VBrO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_bOundary-- --===============0529501554== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============0529501554==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 06:04:11 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwHIR-0002vP-QH; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:04:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwHIQ-0002uG-Bg for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:04:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA22043 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from postman.ripe.net ([193.0.0.199]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwHOz-000527-OT for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:11:03 -0500 Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 5F25F23FF8; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:03:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DAF23F0B; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:03:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from Geir.ripe.net (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0830E2F583; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:03:40 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060110080424.1a043ec0@localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:07:36 +0100 To: mallman@icir.org From: Henk Uijterwaal Subject: Re: [ippm] Reordering drafts In-Reply-To: <20060109200500.11F303A0725@lawyers.icir.org> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060109184811.02cfa978@localhost> <20060109200500.11F303A0725@lawyers.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000130 / -5.9 X-RIPE-Signature: a6a2bd1a012355822681749c69e6917d X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: Matthew J Zekauskas , ippm@ietf.org, Al Morton , mankin@psg.com X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org At 21:04 09/01/2006, Mark Allman wrote: >A reference in the acknowledgments? How very odd. And, a reference to >what? Something stable, I guess ... but, not something that we want to >publish? This entire thread is confusing the hell out of me. Can Henk >or Matt type out a few sentences of what the original note should have >said? An informative reference to a stable version of their work. They have published a number of papers at conferences, these can be considered stable. I'd put the reference in the introduction or in a related work section, but I leave that to the authors. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 04:44:23 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwcWl-0002Sm-Ap; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:44:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwcWj-0002RP-8x for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:44:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA27931 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwcdY-0004vr-Jn for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:51:27 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:44:04 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:44:01 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names thread-index: AcYWA6qdu0xmCYugS1iVRxSSYRaFSQAiI+OA From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Al Morton" , "lei Liang" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 09:44:04.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F1C7BD0:01C61693] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi al and Lei So it's completely open. We agree that "stream" is not appropriate. I prefer "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" because = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" sounds like a singleton.=20 What about "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays"? Does that work for PL = and jitter ? Regards Emile > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com] > Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 10 janvier 2006 17:27 > =C0=A0: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; lei Liang > Objet=A0: Re: draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-00.txt; replace of > stream/singletons in metrics names >=20 > At 11:07 AM 1/10/2006, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > >Does it make sense to replace = Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Stream > > with > >Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons ? >=20 > To me, it does make sense. I think we should define > the singleton (from Src to many Rcvrs) first. >=20 > It could just be named "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" > because IPPM hasn't used "Singleton" in the name when > defining singletons in the past... >=20 > Then we define > Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Poisson/Periodic-Stream >=20 > Al >=20 _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 05:19:59 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewd5D-0003Fr-S2; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:19:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewd5C-0003FI-IV for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:19:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA29765 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailg.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwdC5-0005oK-9a for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:27:05 -0500 Received: from ads40.surrey.ac.uk by mailg.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:19:26 +0000 Received: from EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.139]) by ads40.surrey.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:19:25 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names Thread-Index: AcYWA6qdu0xmCYugS1iVRxSSYRaFSQAiI+OAAALWsAI= From: "L.Liang" To: "emile.stephan" , acmorton X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 10:19:25.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F57AC10:01C61698] X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d2b46e3b2dfbff2088e0b72a54104985 Cc: ippm Subject: [ippm] RE: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1580851902==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1580851902== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61698.7E9C77B3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61698.7E9C77B3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Emile and Al, =20 Delays sounds like not like one metric. It is more like a set of = metrics. What do you think? I think a "Group Singleton" means one = singleton that consists of a group of one-way singletons". =20 Regards, Lei Liang ________________________________ From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN [mailto:emile.stephan@francetelecom.com] Sent: Wed 11/01/2006 9:44 To: Al Morton; Liang L Mr (Electronic Eng) Cc: ippm Subject: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names Hi al and Lei So it's completely open. We agree that "stream" is not appropriate. I prefer "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" because = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" sounds like a singleton. What about "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays"? Does that work for PL = and jitter ? Regards Emile > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com] > Envoy=E9 : mardi 10 janvier 2006 17:27 > =C0 : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; lei Liang > Objet : Re: draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-00.txt; replace of > stream/singletons in metrics names > > At 11:07 AM 1/10/2006, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > >Does it make sense to replace = Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Stream > > with > >Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons ? > > To me, it does make sense. I think we should define > the singleton (from Src to many Rcvrs) first. > > It could just be named "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" > because IPPM hasn't used "Singleton" in the name when > defining singletons in the past... > > Then we define > Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Poisson/Periodic-Stream > > Al > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61698.7E9C77B3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names=0A= =0A= =0A=
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Dear Emile and =0A= Al,
=0A=
  =
=0A=
  Delays = sounds like not like one metric. =0A= It is more like a set of metrics. What do you think? I think a "Group = Singleton" =0A= means one singleton that consists of a group of one-way =0A= singletons".
=0A=
 
=0A=
Regards,
=0A=
Lei = Liang
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN =0A= [mailto:emile.stephan@francetelecom.com]
Sent: Wed 11/01/2006 =0A= 9:44
To: Al Morton; Liang L Mr (Electronic Eng)
Cc: =0A= ippm
Subject: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in = metrics =0A= names

=0A=
=0A=

Hi al and Lei


So it's completely open. We = agree that =0A= "stream" is not appropriate.

I prefer =0A= "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" because =0A= "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" sounds like a singleton.

What = about =0A= "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays"? Does that work for PL and jitter =0A= ?


Regards
Emile



> -----Message =0A= d'origine-----
> De : Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com]
> =0A= Envoy=E9 : mardi 10 janvier 2006 17:27
> =C0 : STEPHAN = Emile =0A= RD-CORE-LAN; lei Liang
> Objet : Re: =0A= draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-00.txt; replace of
> = stream/singletons in =0A= metrics names
>
> At 11:07 AM 1/10/2006, STEPHAN Emile = RD-CORE-LAN =0A= wrote:
> >Does it make sense to replace =0A= Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Stream
> >  with
> =0A= >Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons ?
>
> To = me, it =0A= does make sense.  I think we should define
> the singleton = (from Src =0A= to many Rcvrs) first.
>
> It could just be named =0A= "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay"
> because IPPM hasn't used = "Singleton" =0A= in the name when
> defining singletons in the = past...
>
> Then =0A= we define
> =0A= Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Poisson/Periodic-Stream
>
>= =0A= Al
>

=0A= =0A= =0A= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61698.7E9C77B3-- --===============1580851902== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============1580851902==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 06:22:46 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewe3y-0004Ps-6K; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:22:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewe3w-0004Pn-9Q for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:22:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03349 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EweAp-0007PI-Gr for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:29:52 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:22:35 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:22:34 +0100 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names thread-index: AcYWA6qdu0xmCYugS1iVRxSSYRaFSQAiI+OAAALWsAIAAhtv8A== From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: "L.Liang" , "acmorton" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 11:22:35.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[52AEC910:01C616A1] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b6e18fadcfab41fa5e7faede753de4c2 Cc: ippm Subject: [ippm] RE: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1086231544==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1086231544== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C616A1.52809640" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C616A1.52809640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Al and Lei, =20 "Delays" sounds like several delays." One-to-group" sounds like from one = to a set of item. So perhaps "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays" sounds like the delays = from one to this group of item. Does "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" sounds better? I = don't know. It's longer! We have to be sure of the definition of = "singletons" before. =20 What about "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Set" as the set of delays = between one and a group? =20 Regards Emile =20 =20 ________________________________ De : L.Liang [mailto:L.Liang@surrey.ac.uk]=20 Envoy=E9 : mercredi 11 janvier 2006 11:19 =C0 : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; acmorton Cc : ippm Objet : RE: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names =20 Dear Emile and Al, =20 Delays sounds like not like one metric. It is more like a set of = metrics. What do you think? I think a "Group Singleton" means one = singleton that consists of a group of one-way singletons". =20 Regards, Lei Liang =20 ________________________________ From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN [mailto:emile.stephan@francetelecom.com] Sent: Wed 11/01/2006 9:44 To: Al Morton; Liang L Mr (Electronic Eng) Cc: ippm Subject: o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names Hi al and Lei So it's completely open. We agree that "stream" is not appropriate. I prefer "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" because = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" sounds like a singleton. What about "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays"? Does that work for PL = and jitter ? Regards Emile > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com] > Envoy=E9 : mardi 10 janvier 2006 17:27 > =C0 : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; lei Liang > Objet : Re: draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-00.txt; replace of > stream/singletons in metrics names > > At 11:07 AM 1/10/2006, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > >Does it make sense to replace = Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Stream > > with > >Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons ? > > To me, it does make sense. I think we should define > the singleton (from Src to many Rcvrs) first. > > It could just be named "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" > because IPPM hasn't used "Singleton" in the name when > defining singletons in the past... > > Then we define > Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Poisson/Periodic-Stream > > Al > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C616A1.52809640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable o2g metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names

Hi Al and Lei,

 

"Delays" = sounds like several delays." One–to-group" sounds like from one to a = set of item.

So perhaps = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays" sounds like the delays from one to this group of item.

Does = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" sounds better? I don't know. It's longer! We have to be sure of the = definition of "singletons" before.

 

What about = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Set" as the set of delays between one and a group?

 

Regards

Emile

 

 

De : = L.Liang [mailto:L.Liang@surrey.ac.uk]
Envoy=E9 : mercredi = 11 janvier 2006 11:19
=C0 : STEPHAN Emile = RD-CORE-LAN; acmorton
Cc : ippm
Objet : RE: o2g = metrics: replace stream/singletons in metrics names

 

Dear Emile and = Al,

 

  Delays sounds like not like one metric. It is = more like a set of metrics. What do you think? I think a "Group = Singleton" means one singleton that consists of a group of one-way = singletons".

 

Regards,

Lei Liang

 

From: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN = [mailto:emile.stephan@francetelecom.com]
Sent: Wed 11/01/2006 = 9:44
To: Al Morton; Liang L Mr (Electronic Eng)
Cc: ippm
Subject: o2g metrics: = replace stream/singletons in metrics names

Hi al and Lei


So it's completely open. We agree that "stream" is not = appropriate.

I prefer "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons" = because "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay" sounds like a singleton.

What about "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delays"? Does that = work for PL and jitter ?


Regards
Emile



> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com]
> Envoy=E9 : mardi 10 janvier 2006 17:27
> =C0 : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; lei Liang
> Objet : Re: draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-00.txt; replace = of
> stream/singletons in metrics names
>
> At 11:07 AM 1/10/2006, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN wrote:
> >Does it make sense to replace = Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Stream
> >  with
> >Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons ?
>
> To me, it does make sense.  I think we should define
> the singleton (from Src to many Rcvrs) first.
>
> It could just be named = "Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay"
> because IPPM hasn't used "Singleton" in the name when
> defining singletons in the past...
>
> Then we define
> Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Poisson/Periodic-Stream
>
> Al
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C616A1.52809640-- --===============1086231544== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============1086231544==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 09:41:30 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwhAI-0006VH-Qz; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:41:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwhAH-0006VC-LA for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:41:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17091 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailg.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwhH9-000503-Qh for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:48:37 -0500 Received: from ads40.surrey.ac.uk by mailg.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:40:59 +0000 Received: from EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.139]) by ads40.surrey.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:40:58 +0000 Received: from 131.227.89.115 ([131.227.89.115]) by EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.152]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:40:58 UT Received: from ccsrlt115.ee.surrey.ac.uk by exchange.surrey.ac.uk; 11 Jan 2006 14:40:58 +0000 From: lei Liang To: STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:40:58 +0000 Message-Id: <1136990458.7152.39.camel@ccsrlt115.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 (2.2.2-5) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 14:40:58.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[095FEF70:01C616BD] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Al Morton , ippm Subject: [ippm] Re: multimetrics: singletons def X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Dear Al and Emile, regarding the "group of singletons", I wonder if we can just call "group singleton" to make it A singleton that is extended from the "singleton" defined in the one-way framework. The point is that this "group singleton" is associated with only one packet sent into the group rather than several. Cheers, Lei On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:11 +0100, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > Hi Al and Lei, >=20 > Lei proposes to define the "Group of singletons" as=20 > "A group of singletons is the set of results of the observation > of the behaviour of the same packet at different places of a > network." >=20 > I propose to discuss now this definition now. I consider that this def is= candidate to move to the framework document we plan to write. >=20 > Regards > Emile >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com] > > Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 10 janvier 2006 17:27 > > =C3=80 : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN; lei Liang > > Objet : Re: draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-00.txt; replace of > > stream/singletons in metrics names > >=20 > > At 11:07 AM 1/10/2006, STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > > >Does it make sense to replace Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Stream > > > with > > >Type-P-one-to-group-One-way-Delay-Singletons ? > >=20 > > To me, it does make sense. 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Factors impacting packet dynamics include cross traffic, architectures of intermediate nodes (e.g., routers, gateways, and firewalls), complex interaction of hardware resources and protocols at various levels, as well as implementations that often involve competing and conflicting requirements. Parameters such as packet reordering, delay, jitter and loss that characterize the delivery of packet streams are at times highly correlated. Load-balancing at an intermediate node may, for example, result in out-of-order arrivals and excessive jitter, and network congestion may manifest as packet losses or large jitter. Out-of-order arrivals, losses, and jitter in turn may lead to unnecessary retransmissions in TCP or loss of voice quality in VoIP. With the growth of the Internet in size, speed and traffic volume, understanding the impact of underlying network resources and protocols on packet delivery and application performance has assumed a critical importance. Measurements and models explaining the variation and interdependence of delivery characteristics are crucial not only for efficient operation of networks and network diagnosis, but also for developing solutions for future networks. This workshop will provide a forum for interaction among researchers and practitioners working in the area of packet dynamics. We solicit papers dealing with all aspects of packet dynamics, including measurements, characterization, modeling and mitigation of its adverse effects. TOPICS OF SPECIAL INTEREST (but not limited to) - Measurement of stream characteristics (reordering, delay, losses, jitter, etc.) - Measurement and estimation of network characteristics - Tools, metrics and benchmarks - End-to-end packet dynamics - Timing aspects in packet dynamics - Impact of load balancing, parallelism within nodes, etc. on packet dynamics - QoS mechanisms and their impact on packet dynamics - Models (e.g., relating protocols, resources and architectures to packet dynamics) - Mitigation of adverse effects of reordering, jitter, etc. - Traffic engineering - Impact of packet dynamics on application performance IMPORTANT DATES Abstract submission: February 15, 2006 Abstract based acceptance: March 5, 2006 Registration and first draft: March 20, 2006 Camera-ready paper: April 15, 2006 (hard deadline) INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE AUTHORS Only .pdf or .doc files will be accepted for paper submission. For Paper submission, visit http://www.iaria.org/conferences/SubmitICNS06.html . Further instructions are available on http://www.iaria.org/conferences/IPDY06.html . For questions and comments, please feel free to contact Nischal Piratla (Nischal.Piratla@telekom.de) and Anura Jayasumana (Anura.Jayasumana@Colostate.edu) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61A87.A7E2B77C Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CFP - Workshop on Internet Packet Dynamics collocated with ICNS = 2006

Below is the preliminary call for = papers for Workshop on Internet Packet Dynamics (IPDy) 2006. Our = apologies if you receive multiple copies of this announcement. =



Internet Packet = Dynamics Workshop

Collocated with = ICNS 2006

http://www.iaria.org/conferences/IPDY06.html

July 16-18, 2006 = Silicon Valley, USA

Call for = Papers

Packet Dynamics refers broadly = to measurements, theory and/or models that describe the time evolution = and the associated attributes of packets, flows or streams of packets = in a network. Factors impacting packet dynamics include cross traffic, = architectures of intermediate nodes (e.g., routers, gateways, and = firewalls), complex interaction of hardware resources and protocols at = various levels, as well as implementations that often involve competing = and conflicting requirements.

Parameters such as packet = reordering, delay, jitter and loss that characterize the delivery of = packet streams are at times highly correlated. Load-balancing at an = intermediate node may, for example, result in out-of-order arrivals and = excessive jitter, and network congestion may manifest as packet losses = or large jitter. Out-of-order arrivals, losses, and jitter in turn may = lead to unnecessary retransmissions in TCP or loss of voice quality in = VoIP.

With the growth of the Internet = in size, speed and traffic volume, understanding the impact of = underlying network resources and protocols on packet delivery and = application performance has assumed a critical importance.

Measurements and models = explaining the variation and interdependence of delivery = characteristics are crucial not only for efficient operation of = networks and network diagnosis, but also for developing solutions for = future  networks.

This workshop will provide a = forum for interaction among researchers and practitioners working in = the area of packet dynamics. We solicit papers dealing with all aspects = of packet dynamics, including measurements, characterization, modeling = and mitigation of its adverse effects.

TOPICS OF SPECIAL INTEREST (but = not limited to)

- Measurement of stream = characteristics (reordering, delay, losses, jitter, etc.)
- Measurement and estimation of = network characteristics
- Tools, metrics and = benchmarks
- End-to-end packet = dynamics
- Timing aspects in packet = dynamics
- Impact of load balancing, = parallelism within nodes, etc. on packet dynamics
- QoS mechanisms and their = impact on packet dynamics
- Models (e.g., relating = protocols, resources and architectures to packet dynamics)
- Mitigation of adverse effects = of reordering, jitter, etc.
- Traffic engineering
- Impact of packet dynamics on = application performance

IMPORTANT DATES

Abstract submission: February = 15, 2006
Abstract based acceptance: = March 5, 2006 Registration and first draft:
March 20, 2006 Camera-ready = paper: April 15, 2006 (hard deadline)

INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE = AUTHORS

Only .pdf or .doc files will be = accepted for paper submission. For
Paper submission, visit = http://www.iaria.org/conferences/SubmitICNS06.html.
Further instructions are = available on http://www.iaria.org/conferences/IPDY06.html.

For questions and comments, = please feel free to contact Nischal Piratla = (Nischal.Piratla@telekom.de) and Anura Jayasumana = (Anura.Jayasumana@Colostate.edu)




------_=_NextPart_001_01C61A87.A7E2B77C-- --===============1434606590== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============1434606590==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 17 03:59:47 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eymgt-0003Hf-A3; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:59:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eymgs-0003GC-3r for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:59:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA28433 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from postman.ripe.net ([193.0.0.199]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eymou-0005MC-Tg for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:08:08 -0500 Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 0A459241CD; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:59:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106AA241BC for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:59:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from Geir.ripe.net (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FB32F594 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:59:09 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060117094547.02c69a60@localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:49:13 +0100 To: ippm@ietf.org From: Henk Uijterwaal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000003 / -5.2 X-RIPE-Signature: 8c7c1ce56b63363a971d51f7ad92b82c X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: Subject: [ippm] IPPM WG @ IETF 65 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM group, We will meet at the 65th IETF in March. If you want a slot on the agenda, please let us know. Matt & Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 20 06:56:29 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzusW-0007by-ST; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:56:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzusV-0007bN-47 for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:56:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA05054 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp7.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.27]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ezv1C-0000yQ-PV for ippm@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:05:27 -0500 Received: from Pavillonquatre ([194.3.133.88]) by smtp7.clb.oleane.net with ESMTP id k0KBu376025359 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:56:03 +0100 Message-Id: <200601201156.k0KBu376025359@smtp7.clb.oleane.net> From: "Chantal Ladouce" To: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:54:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYduFLuTxM74sxBTk+j2ShheOqW4w== X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff Cc: Subject: [ippm] WiMAX Summit - International SIP conference - Paris - France X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1180510157==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1180510157== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C61DC0.B4F884F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C61DC0.B4F884F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The WiMAX Summit and the International SIP conference will jointly open their doors in one month, on February 21st, in Paris. Everything you must know about broadband wireless access, VoIP and convergence will be delivered by operators and key technical players. An exhibition, close to the two conferences, welcome industrials wishing to demonstrate their solutions. Get details on International SIP at: http://www.upperside.fr/sip2006/sip2006intro.htm Get details on the WiMAX Summit at: http://www.upperside.fr/wimax2006/wimax2006intro.htm ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C61DC0.B4F884F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The WiMAX Summit and the International SIP = conference will jointly open their doors in one month, on February 21st, in = Paris.

Everything you must know about broadband = wireless access, VoIP and convergence will be delivered by operators and key = technical players.

An exhibition, close to the two conferences, welcome industrials wishing to demonstrate their = solutions.

 

Get details on International SIP = at:

http://www.upperside.fr/sip2006/sip2006intro.htm<= /span>

 

Get details on the WiMAX Summit = at:

http://www.upperside.fr/wimax2006/wimax2006intro.htm<= /a>

 

 

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The document (draft-ietf-ippm-reordering) has been stable >for almost a year. > >We like to start a WG Last Call on this document. Please raise any >remaining issues before 20 January 2006. No issues were raised. We will thus send the document to IESG in the next couple of days. Matt & Henk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 31 06:37:25 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3tp7-0007Vx-40; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:37:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3tp5-0007U3-Ux for ippm@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:37:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA07734 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp16.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.159]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3tzx-0007ok-13 for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:48:38 -0500 Received: from Pavillonquatre ([194.3.133.88]) by smtp16.clb.oleane.net with ESMTP id k0VBauhK018407 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:36:56 +0100 Message-Id: <200601311136.k0VBauhK018407@smtp16.clb.oleane.net> From: "Chantal Ladouce" To: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:36:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYmWp6lxZPGlh6CT2y8qek3Ujo3Rw== X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a743e34ab8eb08259de9a7307caed594 Cc: Subject: [ippm] International SIP/WiMAX Summit - Paris - France X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0139961486==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0139961486== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C62663.00D2A360" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C62663.00D2A360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More than 500 participants will attend International SIP and the WiMAX Summit next February 21st to 24th in Paris. Registration is still open for both events. The 7th edition of the International SIP conference program is mainly dedicated to IMS architectures and Peer-to-Peer communications: http://www.upperside.fr/sip2006/sip2006intro.htm The 3rd WiMAX Summit is largely devoted to case studies presented by both incumbent and new entrant operators: http://www.upperside.fr/wimax2006/wimax2006intro.htm Close to the conference rooms an exhibition welcomes industrials involved in VoIP and wireless broadband access. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C62663.00D2A360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Registration is still open for both = events.

 

The 7th edition of the International SIP = conference program is mainly dedicated to IMS architectures = and Peer-to-Peer communications:

http://www.upperside.fr/sip2006/sip2006intro.htm<= /span>

 

The 3rd WiMAX Summit is largely devoted to case studies presented by both incumbent and new entrant = operators:

http://www.upperside.fr/wimax2006/wimax2006intro.htm<= /a>

 

Close to the conference rooms an exhibition = welcomes industrials involved in VoIP and wireless broadband = access.

 

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