From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 08 19:57:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzMfN-00071E-10; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:56:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzMfL-000714-09 for ippm@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:56:51 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzMfI-0001e7-Jp for ippm@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:56:50 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:56:47 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:56:45 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: draft of an IPPM reporting registry Thread-Index: Acaivfvhdxl3KNYFTFSnRhopb/m/xQAKB+gwAACSnfA= From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2006 23:56:47.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C35FB20:01C6A2EA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , matthew J Zekauskas Subject: [ippm] draft of an IPPM reporting registry X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi I read carefully the current IPPM drafts on composition, on reporting measurement to users, storing traceroute storage. I get to the conclusion that the right for the WG to work simultaneously on the different aspects of these topics was to collect in a IANA registry the best current practices in terms of reporting IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) measurements for composition, to users and to end-users. The first version is available on line at=20 =20 http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk/draft-stephan-ippm-reporting-registry- 00.txt=20 Regards Emile _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 10 08:21:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzulV-0003d4-S1; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzulU-0003cu-Lo for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:28 -0400 Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([207.75.164.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzulT-0001ft-EF for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2964047D0B for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11563-03 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B199847D58 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44B2463B.3010100@internet2.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:21:15 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ippm@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Subject: [ippm] presentations at ietf-66: send 'em in X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org If you are presenting at IETF-66, please send in your presentations at least 1/2 hr before the meeting starts (before 14:50 ET today), so that they may be placed in the preliminary proceedings area, and viewed by those not at the meeting but listening in on audio. audio info: preliminary page: --Matt _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 10 15:50:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G01lm-0007Gu-DM; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:50:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G01lb-0006wA-KL; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:50:03 -0400 Received: from willow.neustar.com ([209.173.53.84]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G01la-0003Kd-6t; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:50:03 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by willow.neustar.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6AJo1QC021416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:50:02 GMT Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G01lZ-0001VM-NF; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:50:01 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:50:01 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-01.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) for spatial and multicast Author(s) : E. Stephan, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-01.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2006-7-10 The IETF IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) working group has standardized metrics for measuring end-to-end performance between 2 points. This memo defines 2 sets of metrics to extend these end-to-end ones. It defines spatial metrics for measuring the performance of segments along a path and metrics for measuring the performance of a group of users in multiparty communications. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-7-10131446.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-7-10131446.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --NextPart-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 10 16:49:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G02gb-0004fa-Fj; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:48:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G02ga-0004fV-GB for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:48:56 -0400 Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([207.75.164.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G02gZ-00070R-5o for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:48:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FEE47D65 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30603-06 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8182247C0E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:48:54 -0400 (EDT) To: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-00.txt From: stanislav shalunov Date: 10 Jul 2006 16:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <86y7v1w5hg.fsf@abel.internet2.edu> Lines: 56 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org I was not able to attend IETF 66 because of travel constraints. In response to a comment by Matt Mathis (if I could identify the voice correctly) I want to point out that the intention of the draft is to define parameters for metrics that are already defined and not introduce any new metrics or redefine any existing ones. I also wanted to address comments in Al's talk and got this far: Re the subtitle: It is true that if you hold scissors out, you're less likely to hurt yourself if you fall while running. If we are to continue the analogy, as far as I am concerned, the point of other people not running with scissors is that they don't stab me accidentally. Whether they stab themselves is entirely their choice. It's not a matter of personal safety only, but of common safety. At this point in the audio, it skipped back and started replaying Emile's comment and the back-and-forth with Matt and then continued to repeat the rest of the talk that Matt was giving for me. I was hoping it might start playing the right thing again after it looped, but instead it fell into silence. So, I never heard much of what Al said past the subtitle. Based on slides, I don't think we're in any major disagreement. Looks like one of the main points of contention is the technical issue of the treatment of lost packets (but I'm largely inferring this). I would like to continue the conversation on the mailing list and in San Diego. I think it would help to move the discussion forward if suggestions on changes to the draft were a bit more specific. I don't know if it came across this way in the document or not, but: The point of the draft is to take the huge and richly parameterized space of the various IPPM metrics and select a small set of metrics that would be suitable for presenting as results of on-demand measurements to end users. Such selection has to happen somewhere. Humans don't end up bombarded with the raw results (even if they were, they wouldn't be able to interpret them). Some tool, somewhere, takes the measurement and produces an ad hoc reporting summary. These summaries cannot be compared across tools (in addition, they might not always be robust, easy to understand, or relevant). Currently, the de facto standard is ``what ping prints''; this is problematic, both because some metrics are suboptimal and, even more importantly, because ping output itself is not standard and varies by version and by platform. Based on the work of this group, I think we can do better than ``what ping prints''. I took a stab at it in the draft. It's clearly no gospel. I do believe we can take the work that IPPM has produced and come up with a set of reportable metrics that's OK. (It won't be perfect, but that's OK, too: we can produce a set of decent metrics, and, more importantly, it'll be possible to compare output across tools.) -- Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/ Heather has two mommies. That's nothing. The Internet has at least two dozen daddies. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From 6kbg5Dk8Xn@mail.ru Wed Jul 12 09:53:12 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0f9M-0002IZ-87; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:53:12 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0f9M-0005ro-6N; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:53:12 -0400 Received: from bb121-6-126-251.singnet.com.sg ([121.6.126.251]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0f9J-0004xp-MR; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:53:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:53:11 -0480 From: "Deirdre Ziegler" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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"We're free to go where we wish and to be what we are," Jonathan From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 12 14:09:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0j8h-0001Vq-2f; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:08:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0j8f-0001Vd-5H; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:08:45 -0400 Received: from wyvern.icir.org ([192.150.187.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0j8d-0006Vq-RN; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:08:45 -0400 Received: from guns.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by wyvern.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6CI8a3d059348; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mallman@icir.org) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (guns.icir.org [69.222.35.58]) by guns.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF0C77A9D4; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lawyers.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BCE436BE8; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:07:24 -0400 (EDT) To: ippm@ietf.org, imrg@irtf.org From: Mark Allman Organization: ICSI Center for Internet Research (ICIR) Song-of-the-Day: Money For Nothing MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:07:24 -0400 Message-Id: <20060712180724.B7BCE436BE8@lawyers.icir.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: Subject: [ippm] reminder: bar bof tonight on application identification X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mallman@icir.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1100567545==" Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============1100567545== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_bOundary"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=_bOundary Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Reminder .... tonight we're having a quite informal bar bof on possibly thinking about application identification within the IMRG. We're meeting at 2230 in the bar of the Delta hotel. allman --=_bOundary Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEtTpcWyrrWs4yIs4RAufIAJ4ymQT4A0bBPsHxYfgUcECNvcRgKwCdHVtm ZX3DPjm1jG+SbfEs8vVAdTY= =C7Zi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_bOundary-- --===============1100567545== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============1100567545==-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 14 15:56:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G1TmA-0003u6-P4; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:56:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G1Tm8-0003tl-Q6; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:56:36 -0400 Received: from wyvern.icir.org ([192.150.187.14]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G1Tm7-0002vh-EX; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:56:36 -0400 Received: from guns.icir.org (adsl-69-222-35-58.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net [69.222.35.58]) by wyvern.icir.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6EJuSfR021522; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mallman@icir.org) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (guns.icir.org [69.222.35.58]) by guns.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF50A77B664; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lawyers.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lawyers.icir.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A043743824A; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:41:38 -0400 (EDT) To: ippm@ietf.org, imrg@irtf.org From: Mark Allman Organization: ICSI Center for Internet Research (ICIR) Song-of-the-Day: Money For Nothing MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:41:38 -0400 Message-Id: <20060714164138.A043743824A@lawyers.icir.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: Subject: [ippm] application identification bar bof X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mallman@icir.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1303180804==" Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============1303180804== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_bOundary"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=_bOundary Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Lots of people have asked, so here are several bullets from the IMRG bar BOF about possibly thinking about application identification within the RG in some fashion: * A few areas are interested in this: general knowledge about what is traversing a network (understanding, trending, modeling, etc.) security - in terms of traffic analysis determining which flows to apply which QoS mechanisms to (e.g., rate-limit p2p traffic) security - in terms of intrusion detection systems attempting to find attacks * Consensus was that a first workshop that was quite lightweight would be a reasonable first step. Open call for one page talk descriptions would be the ticket to entry. Small-ish yet diverse crowd (need people from measurement, signal processing, security, etc.). * A second workshop that was more formal (possibly with papers) could also be considered on a longer time-scale. * My action item was to puzzle through some of the initial logistics of a workshop and get an organizing committee formed up. Additional opinions on any of the above, or anything not included in the above would certainly be welcome. allman --=_bOundary Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEt8lCWyrrWs4yIs4RAt+nAJwPZQ8mrqPYtYKmVVSkt8p2A0aqkwCfSGZT noBvDYgsVKD/CXOJLuJ2Ejk= =MH+u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_bOundary-- --===============1303180804== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --===============1303180804==-- From abbcd@0451.com Thu Jul 27 12:40:02 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G68u2-0007vn-5N; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:40:02 -0400 Received: from static-213-182-106-63.teleos-web.de ([213.182.106.63]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G68tx-0006r5-Jf; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:40:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:40:25 -0060 From: "Elisa Fox" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 28 10:40:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6TVT-0001LT-3L; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:40:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6TVS-0001LO-Ek for ippm@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:40:02 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6TVP-0005pJ-1V for ippm@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:40:02 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:39:55 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:39:53 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPFIX AS /IPPM Thread-Index: AcabmRUb96pxUhWMTxacT5JRz3A/UwWtyx0Q From: "STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 14:39:55.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[B14F9410:01C6B253] X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] IPFIX AS /IPPM X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I reread IPFIX AS regarding IPPM aspects. I think that it (section 2.5) may refer to the RFCs which define the IPPM metrics presented. As IPFIX (section 2.7) can also be used to transfer metrics result I consider that the Applicability Statement has to propose to transfer the result conjointly with its corresponding metric identifier in the IANA IPPM registry (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaippmmetricsregistry-mib).=20 Note that the draft http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ippm/draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics/ includes pure passive metrics. So there will be metric identifiers for passive metrics in the IANA IPPM metrics registry. Regards Emile _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm