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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 18 16:13:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrRS-00021T-DL; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:12:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrRR-00021O-RE for ippm@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:12:33 -0500 Received: from postman.ripe.net ([193.0.19.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItrRM-00085K-37 for ippm@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:12:33 -0500 Received: by postman.ripe.net (Postfix, from userid 4008) id 70A4323F57; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:12:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from herring.ripe.net (herring.ripe.net [193.0.1.203]) by postman.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F4323F49; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:12:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from RIPE-NCC-101045.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0FC2F583; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:12:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47403CFB.607@ripe.net> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:24:11 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG , Matthew J Zekauskas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -3.6 X-RIPE-Signature: efbb3ba3d2f35fc098a8367dda38523a X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: Subject: [ippm] Draft Agenda for Vancouver X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM Group, Here is the draft agenda for Vancouver. If we've missed something, please let us know. 1. Administrativia, Status of Drafts 2. Compostion drafts/Al Morton 3. Multimetrics draft/Al Morton 4. Delay Variation AS Draft/Al Morton 5. Duplicate Draft/Henk 6. Reporting Draft/?? 7. TWAMP/Kaynam Heyadat 8. ITU Liaison/Al Morton 9. AOB Matt & Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is one of the choices leaving the office open? Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 05:20:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu3ja-0001AO-FX; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:20:06 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu3jW-00019A-KG; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:20:02 -0500 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu3jW-00065y-8E; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:20:02 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231A32AC5D; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:20:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu3jV-0004OQ-TG; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:20:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:20:01 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-05.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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I have submitted the version -06 right now. Issues addressed: -fixed- there was one nit that was fixed (TTL decrease by more than one = is possible) -fixed- the discussion about "default values": basically the default values were there for configuration information = elements and they were enforced also at XML level. Now we discussed internally = and it was going to be cumbersome to add "impossible number" as Henk suggested. = Since such configuration information elements are anyway optional at XML level we = decided to remove the enforcement from the XML schema and to have such values = absent if the user did not set them. The values are going to be specified by the = specific implementation (whatever the default is). Thus: =3D Information element is "absent" from XML data if user does not = set it =3D If user sets it, that value =3D If not, whatever the default is for the implementation Thus I added in the -06 version the following text: "The default values are reported (where applicable) in the configuration information elements as reference to BCP recommendations and are not enforced in the data model (e.g. XML schema). Configuration information elements with default values are anyway optional elements and are going to be absent in the XML data if the user did not set such parameter whereas they are going to be set by the specific implementation according to specific defaults that are not common among different versions of the traceroute tool." Moreover, I left the default values indication in section 5.2. and = removed the enforcement from XML schema. I hope this covers the remaining issues that were raised by Lars and = over the mailing list. Cheers, Saverio =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dr. Saverio Niccolini Senior Researcher NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division=09 Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! NEW ADDRESS !!! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Henk Uijterwaal [mailto:henk@ripe.net]=20 > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:32 PM > To: Lars Eggert > Cc: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 >=20 > Lars Eggert wrote: > > On 2007-9-28, at 15:55, ext Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > >> I agree that it should be clear from the data that the user didn't=20 > >> set this parameter. > >=20 > > Shouldn't the data be set to the value that was the default of the=20 > > particular traceroute implementation for that parameter? >=20 > If the parameter is there, yes, I'd prefer that (rather than=20 > having to look up what it is for this implementation). So: >=20 > =3D Default value is "impossible number" for a record. > =3D If user sets it, that value > =3D If not, whatever the default is for the implementation >=20 > Henk >=20 > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Henk Uijterwaal Email:=20 > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre =20 > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- >=20 > Is one of the choices leaving the office open? > Alan Greenspan on the=20 > next elections >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >=20 _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ssheehan@swingtonite.com Mon Nov 19 06:49:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu58E-000893-5M; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:49:38 -0500 Received: from [189.10.89.181] (helo=[189.10.89.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu589-0003bU-3n; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:49:37 -0500 Received: from [189.10.89.181] by smtp.secureserver.net; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:03:17 -0300 Message-ID: <01c82a8b$062e2f90$b5590abd@ssheehan> From: "Euphrasia Sinclair" To: Subject: Janie's bouffant dick Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:03:17 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Spam-Score: 4.6 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 0f1ff0b0158b41ac6b9548d0972cdd31 beetta . com From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 08:32:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu6jP-0007gH-Nz; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:32:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu6jO-0007gA-Ga for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:32:06 -0500 Received: from mail146.messagelabs.com ([216.82.245.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu6jL-0000af-3K for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:32:06 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1195479121!24921385!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.149] Received: (qmail 28931 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 13:32:02 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph024.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.149) by server-5.tower-146.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 13:32:02 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph024.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDW1rQ025116 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:32:01 -0800 Received: from flph023.ffdc.sbc.com (flph023.ffdc.sbc.com [150.234.117.36]) by flph024.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDVuwJ025076 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:31:56 -0800 Received: from ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph023.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDVuCJ015478 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:31:56 -0800 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by flph023.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDVlfC015356 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:31:51 -0800 Message-Id: <200711191331.lAJDVlfC015356@flph023.ffdc.sbc.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (acmt.mt.att.com[135.16.251.73](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20071119133147gw10010gnae>; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:31:47 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:29:03 -0500 To: "Konish Jr., Stephen" , From: Al Morton Subject: Re: [ippm] RE: draft-morton-ippm-reporting-metrics-03 (was: ippm Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3) In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20071117132153.01ecb4b0@att.com> References: <7.1.0.9.0.20071117132153.01ecb4b0@att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org The 04 version is now available, as promised. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morton-ippm-reporting-metrics-04.txt Al At 01:38 PM 11/17/2007, Al Morton wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Thanks for your comments >(and for working on Saturday to prepare them). > >A few quick responses, below. I will submit the >04 version before the deadline. > >Al > >At 11:36 AM 11/17/2007, Konish Jr., Stephen wrote: >>Re: draft-morton-ippm-reporting-metrics-03 >> >>Hi... >> >>A few quick comments: >> >>1) I like how section 4 separates the discussion for the delay metric >>into the two points-of-view. I would be nice to see the same format >>applied to section 3 where it's not as obvious how to interpret the >>discussion for each point-of-view. A synopsis sentence in the beginning >>of the section and/or at the end might help here. > >Good suggestion, 04 will have this. > > >>2) Question: I am not exactly sure what you mean by "forks" in this >>context in section 4.1.1 and again in section 4.3. I think I know, but >>I would like to be sure. Please clarify. > >It's from "forks in the road" - I've clarified the intent in 04: >(4.3) ... where subsequent processing depends on >whether the packet arrives or times-out, > > >>3) silly comments: > >Thanks, they all help. > > >>a) It would be great if we could spell out the ipdv acronym in section >>4.1.3 before it's used (simply for readability). >> >>b) 'seconds' is mispelled in section 6.2, >> >>c) and Gomathi's address has an extra comma in it. > >Yes, so did mine, both are fixed now. > > >>Regards, >> >>Steve >> >>-----Original Message----- >>IPPM, >> >>This individual draft has just been revised. >>The new material in primarily in: >> 6.2. Long-Term Reporting Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 >> >>I hope to have a discussion of this new material at IETF-70, and any >>other comments of course, so please have a look at this draft. >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morton-ippm-reporting-metrics- >>03.txt >> >>regards, >>Al >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ippm mailing list >>ippm@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 08:39:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu6qL-0001Oo-Mf; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:17 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu6qK-0001Of-Ha for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:16 -0500 Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu6qH-0000qs-5f for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:16 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1195479551!19909463!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.53] Received: (qmail 5600 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.53) by server-14.tower-121.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDdB25014476 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:11 -0500 Received: from mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com [144.155.224.139]) by mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDdAQ6014463 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:10 -0500 Received: from sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDd9sv001025 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:10 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJDd3um000851 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:39:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200711191339.lAJDd3um000851@mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (acmt.mt.att.com[135.16.251.73](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20071119133903gw10010gnbe>; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:39:03 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:36:27 -0500 To: ippm@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: Subject: [ippm] Fwd: I-D Action:draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-04.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org FYI - we didn't change the filename on this new charter work item, except to increment the version number. There have been substantial changes and additions to this draft that address many comments on the list from August and September. The slide deck will summarize what was said and what was done. Also, the authors have added new material on their own initiative, as a result of their on-going discussions. >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:40:02 -0500 > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > > Title : Packet Delay Variation Applicability Statement > Author(s) : A. Morton, B. Claise > Filename : draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-04.txt > Pages : 38 > Date : 2007-11-18 > >Packet delay variation metrics appear in many different standards >documents. The metric definition in RFC 3393 has considerable >flexibility, and it allows multiple formulations of delay variation >through the specification of different packet selection functions. > >Although flexibility provides wide coverage and room for new ideas, >it can make comparisons of independent implementations more >difficult. Two different formulations of delay variation have come >into wide use in the context of active measurements. This memo >examines a range of circumstances for active measurements of delay >variation and their uses, and recommends which of the two forms is >best matched to particular conditions and tasks. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-morton-ippm-delay-var-as-04.txt _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From walled100w@footballpools.com Mon Nov 19 13:59:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuBqT-00088l-N4 for ippm-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:59:45 -0500 Received: from [63.227.69.158] (helo=158.iowaoralsurgery.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuBqQ-0004mH-BH for ippm-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:59:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 28389 invoked from network); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:00:46 -0600 Received: from unknown (HELO rtl) (108.124.173.62) by 158.iowaoralsurgery.com with SMTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:00:46 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c82ade$7e168310$3ead7c6c@rtl> From: To: Subject: Hold On! 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 19:41:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuHAk-0007uq-2K; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:41:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuHAi-0007uf-S0 for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:41:00 -0500 Received: from mail.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuHAf-000174-9K for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:41:00 -0500 Received: from ALA-MAIL03.corp.ad.wrs.com (ala-mail03 [147.11.57.144]) by mail.wrs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAK0euRk028619 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ala-mail02.corp.ad.wrs.com ([147.11.57.56]) by ALA-MAIL03.corp.ad.wrs.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:41:01 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-05.txt Thread-Index: Acgm4QBRT07WzHXWR3SYB8BwmjDDoAEK5rPw References: From: "Konish Jr., Stephen" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2007 00:41:01.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[0682C8B0:01C82B0E] X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: Subject: [ippm] RE: draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-05.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi there... I read over draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-05.txt briefly, and I have some basic questions/suggestions. Regards, Steve K. 1) Abstract: Does it make sense to spell out ippm? 2) Introduction: Question: with regards to:=20 "...making it an attactive alternative in some circumstances." Alternative to what exactly? More than two hosts? =20 3) Section 1.2: Does it make sense to add a sentence that explains what the session-reflector does? You only say what it doesn't do. 4) I realize we try not to duplicate any verbage in related RFCs, but I would love to see a couple lines in the introduction section saying that TWAMP consists of two protocols, and explains in one or two lines what their purpose is exactly. =20 5) Silly comment: Expiration Dates throughout the headers do not match the cover page. 6) Section 3.5 - Does the server being contacted with an unknown command, and always responding create a security risk? =20 7) Section 3.5: Can we modify the following sentence from: "Both Conf-Sender and Conf-Receiver Must be set to 0 since the..." =20 To: =20 "Both the Conf-Sender field and Conf-Receiver field Must be set to 0 since the..." =20 8) Can we spell out "SID" in section 3.5? 9) Can we spell out MBZ and HMAC in section 3.5? 10) In section 4.1, it mentions that the session sender configuration isn't defined in this standard. Is it defined anywhere? =20 11) Silly comment: Section 5.4 - Please change "TWAMP-Contr ol" to "TWAMP-Control" _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 04:55:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuPp1-0002Gi-S5; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:55:11 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuPoz-0002GV-Az for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:55:09 -0500 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([192.100.122.233] helo=mgw-mx06.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuPoy-0004xJ-P6 for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:55:09 -0500 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id lAK9sXrP006037; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:46 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:45 +0200 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:44 +0200 Received: from mgw-int02.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.97]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:43 +0200 Received: from esdhcp034226.research.nokia.com (esdhcp034226.research.nokia.com [172.21.34.226]) by mgw-int02.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id lAK9sVWf016036; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:42 +0200 Message-Id: <6CAABBF9-4E73-470B-883F-20538A31DA21@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ext Saverio Niccolini In-Reply-To: <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF3177DA@mx1.office> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:32 +0200 References: <45F6545C.8060507@ripe.net> <7B853912-640E-4604-8C07-639DED7AA762@nokia.com> <46FC94DE.2080405@ripe.net> <46FCF9BD.7060301@ripe.net> <46FD1E53.2040305@ripe.net> <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF3177DA@mx1.office> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2007 09:54:43.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[6046A540:01C82B5B] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , IETF IPPM WG X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1219515423==" Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============1219515423== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-349424150; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-2-349424150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, thanks for updating the document. On 2007-11-19, at 13:44, ext Saverio Niccolini wrote: > Thus: > = Information element is "absent" from XML data if user does not > set it > = If user sets it, that value > = If not, whatever the default is for the implementation I don't quite get this. The first and last line seem to talk about the same case (user did not set a parameter) but are conflicting. Taking a step back, though, I thought the resolution was to not have defaults in the data model or the XML, and instead record the value that the given traceroute run used for each parameter. How each traceroute parameter for the given run got set, i.e., wether the user specified it or it happened to be the default of the traceroute implementation, seems to be irrelevant, no? > Thus I added in the -06 version the following text: > "The default values are reported (where applicable) > in the configuration information elements as reference to BCP > recommendations and are not enforced in the data model (e.g. XML > schema). Configuration information elements with default values are > anyway optional elements and are going to be absent in the XML data > if the user did not set such parameter whereas they are going to be > set by the specific implementation according to specific defaults > that are not common among different versions of the traceroute tool." > > Moreover, I left the default values indication in section 5.2. and > removed > the enforcement from XML schema. 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Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:16:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.10.10.35] (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944A52F583; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:16:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4742C20F.10405@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:16:31 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 References: <45F6545C.8060507@ripe.net> <7B853912-640E-4604-8C07-639DED7AA762@nokia.com> <46FC94DE.2080405@ripe.net> <46FCF9BD.7060301@ripe.net> <46FD1E53.2040305@ripe.net> <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF3177DA@mx1.office> <6CAABBF9-4E73-470B-883F-20538A31DA21@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <6CAABBF9-4E73-470B-883F-20538A31DA21@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: X-RIPE-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / -4.4 X-RIPE-Signature: ffdba3eab06ae01b3e2bfc9f3d9fae06 X-Spam-Score: -8.0 (--------) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: ext Saverio Niccolini , IETF IPPM WG X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > thanks for updating the document. > > On 2007-11-19, at 13:44, ext Saverio Niccolini wrote: >> Thus: >> = Information element is "absent" from XML data if user does not set it >> = If user sets it, that value >> = If not, whatever the default is for the implementation > > I don't quite get this. The first and last line seem to talk about the > same case (user did not set a parameter) but are conflicting. > > Taking a step back, though, I thought the resolution was to not have > defaults in the data model or the XML, and instead record the value that > the given traceroute run used for each parameter. Correct, so it should be: = If the user sets it, that value = If not, the default for the implementation This leaves one case: the implementation doesn't use that parameter. The idea of using an impossible value would work there as would "don't include it". In both cases, whoever uses the result, will have to check this. 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Alan Greenspan on the next elections _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 14:03:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuYNN-0005hk-HY; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:03:13 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuYNM-0005he-7C for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:03:12 -0500 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuYNL-00069U-MU for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:03:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2192800034D; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:03:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLNuGMegG3Sb; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:03:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76F428000340; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:02:55 +0100 (CET) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF31792E@mx1.office> In-Reply-To: <4742C20F.10405@ripe.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 Thread-Index: AcgrZyXFkEwQVe2uQq+ai78n/XnICAAPsp/Q References: <45F6545C.8060507@ripe.net> <7B853912-640E-4604-8C07-639DED7AA762@nokia.com> <46FC94DE.2080405@ripe.net> <46FCF9BD.7060301@ripe.net> <46FD1E53.2040305@ripe.net> <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF3177DA@mx1.office><6CAABBF9-4E73-470B-883F-20538A31DA21@nokia.com> <4742C20F.10405@ripe.net> From: "Saverio Niccolini" To: "Henk Uijterwaal" , "Lars Eggert" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: IETF IPPM WG X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi,=20 =20 > Correct, so it should be: >=20 > =3D If the user sets it, that value > =3D If not, the default for the implementation >=20 > This leaves one case: the implementation doesn't use that=20 > parameter. The idea of using an impossible value would work=20 > there as would "don't include it". In both cases, whoever=20 > uses the result, will have to check this. Now the XML data model supports exactly what Henk writes. To avoid confusion let me describe it better: Configuration metadata: If the user sets the parameter then it appears in the portion of the XML file related to the configuration (Request element of type = _Metadata), otherwise the parameter will not appear there. This is better than "impossible value", I personally think. Measurement data: in the portion of the XML file related to the measurement metadata (MeasurementMetadata element of type _Metadata) it will appear the actual value that the user set if the user set it, otherwise the default for that particular implementation (that can not be enforced by the XML file since there are no default common to all implementation, maybe only the port traceroute use and if you want I can put this default = number back, anyway I removed all deafult enforcements from the XML schema). Hope this clarifies the issue :-). Cheers, Saverio =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dr. Saverio Niccolini Senior Researcher NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division=09 Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! 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OK, I think this resolves it for the XML. I still don't get why the info model has defaults, though. I may not have had enough coffee this morning, but I can't quite parse this new text in -06 that attempts to explain it, either: > "The default values are reported (where applicable) > in the configuration information elements as reference to BCP > recommendations and are not enforced in the data model (e.g. XML > schema). This seems to say that the defaults in the info model are based on some BCP? Which BCP? Can you cite it here, please? > Configuration information elements with default values are > anyway optional elements and are going to be absent in the XML data > if the user did not set such parameter whereas they are going to be > set by the specific implementation according to specific defaults > that are not common among different versions of the traceroute tool." 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------=_NextPart_000_34AFD_01C82C6E.D3E7AEE0-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 14:01:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuuoh-00010d-Jt; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:00:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuuof-0000vL-Ur for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:00:53 -0500 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iuuoa-0007lj-Gc for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:00:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8F628000303; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:00:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTq3AAoUd6hZ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:00:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE54128000302; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:00:32 +0100 (CET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:00:32 +0100 Message-ID: <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF317A22@mx1.office> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 Thread-Index: AcgsKOCkEmFjIQCdTW6S7PLGkQ3S1gAPULaQ References: <45F6545C.8060507@ripe.net> <7B853912-640E-4604-8C07-639DED7AA762@nokia.com> <46FC94DE.2080405@ripe.net> <46FCF9BD.7060301@ripe.net> <46FD1E53.2040305@ripe.net> <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF3177DA@mx1.office><6CAABBF9-4E73-470B-883F-20538A31DA21@nokia.com><4742C20F.10405@ripe.net><5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF31792E@mx1.office> From: "Saverio Niccolini" To: "Lars Eggert" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ed806e2f53ff1a061ad4f97e00345ac Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , IETF IPPM WG X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Lars, all, thanks for taking time to look into this. I must admit this is a weak point of the draft (as you noticed). The default values in the info model are not really showing a consistent indication... Maybe it is worth removing at least some of them for which the study is not complete. Summary (also have a look at Appendix A. Traceroute Default = Configuration Parameters): -- CtlBypassRouteTable --> false this is a real deafult value, if the user does not set it, then the normal routing is followed -- CtlProbeDataSize --> 0 actually browsing a bit it seems to be 38 the default reported in some man pages in the web -- CtlTimeOut --> 3 one implementation that we tried out had 3 as default, two = implementations had 5 and another one had 4 as default, it seems to be system dependent -- CtlProbesPerHop --> 3 all implementation tested and found on the web had this as default -- CtlPort --> 33434 it is the IANA assigned port, 33434, used as default by almost all = implementations -- CtlMaxTtl --> 30 on FreeBSD this varies, otherwise it is always 30 in the test we have = been doing -- CtlDSField --> 0 all implementation tested and found on the web had this as default -- CtlIfIndex --> 0 no real deafult is available -- CtlMaxFailures --> 5 no real default value found -- CtlDontFragment --> false this is a real deafult value, if the user does not set it, then the = don't fragment bit is not set -- CtlInitialTtl --> 1 all implementation tested and found on the web had this as default -- CtlType --> UDP Actually some implementations use ICMP Echos instead of UDP datagrams = but UDP is more common I know that browsing on the web does not mean we have real defaults, = that is why I called them BCPs. What is your suggestion, how should we handle this? Cheers, Saverio =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dr. Saverio Niccolini Senior Researcher NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division=09 Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! 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Maybe it is worth removing at least some of them for > which > the study is not complete. so I understand now that the defaults in the info model are based on what most traceroute implementations seem to use as a default. > I know that browsing on the web does not mean we have real defaults, > that is why I called them BCPs. Ah - I was confused by the term BCP, because I thought you were refering to a BCP-level RFC that would defined them. That's not the case then. > What is your suggestion, how should we handle this? Why does the info model even *have* defaults? For a given measurement, you'd always store what the traceroute implementation that was used for the measurement used for all parameters (i.e., either the default parameters of that traceroute implementation, or what the user that ran the tool chose as overrides for that run for some of those implementation defaults). If this is the case, I'm unclear why the info model even includes defaults - can they simply be removed? (Or am I missing something fundamental here?) Thanks, Lars _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 22 08:44:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IvCMN-00054E-50; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:44:51 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IvCMJ-00053x-Md for ippm@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:44:47 -0500 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IvCMJ-000799-4X for ippm@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:44:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D52C28000351; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:44:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gJvlu2maARSI; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:44:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D29528000303; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:44:31 +0100 (CET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF317AD2@mx1.office> In-Reply-To: <9CC06C0C-086C-48ED-813F-B9E0270031AB@nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-storetraceroutes-03 Thread-Index: AcgtC2UEDzYoz5PFTdCpeI6ysucapQAAlGfw References: <45F6545C.8060507@ripe.net> <7B853912-640E-4604-8C07-639DED7AA762@nokia.com> <46FC94DE.2080405@ripe.net> <46FCF9BD.7060301@ripe.net> <46FD1E53.2040305@ripe.net> <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF3177DA@mx1.office><6CAABBF9-4E73-470B-883F-20538A31DA21@nokia.com><4742C20F.10405@ripe.net><5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF31792E@mx1.office> <5F6519BF2DE0404D99B7C75607FF76FF317A22@mx1.office> <9CC06C0C-086C-48ED-813F-B9E0270031AB@nokia.com> From: "Saverio Niccolini" To: "Lars Eggert" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , IETF IPPM WG X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org I am fine with removing them... Saverio =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dr. Saverio Niccolini Senior Researcher NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division=09 Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! 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The IESG contact persons are Lars Eggert and Magnus Westerlund. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-05.txt Technical Summary Measuring network capacity is a task that sounds simple, but in reality can be quite complex. In addition, the lack of a unified nomenclature on this subject makes it increasingly difficult to properly build, test, and use techniques and tools built around these constructs. This document provides definitions for the terms 'Capacity' and 'Available Capacity' related to IP traffic traveling between a source and destination in an IP network, to provide a common framework for the discussion and analysis of a diverse set of current and future measurement and estimation techniques. Working Group Summary The working group has supported the document through the last five revisions, and it has been uncontroversial. 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On this basis, is it within scope of this draft? =20 Another relevant index composed of IP performance metrics is MDI, per rfc4445. =20 Section 4.1 =20 Is the comment referring to forecasting of one metric from another, whose temporally aggregated measurements are available? If so, then I fail to see how this is feasible given that the primary metrics have been defined to be orthogonal. =20 Section 4.5 =20 Another example will be helpful here. =20 In particular, if a composed metric is derived from dissimilar metrics, e.g., R-factor or MDI, then can one make a general statement or provide guidance=20 with respect to the order of composition to minimize measurement error? =20 For instance, is it preferred to compose sub-path R-factor or MDI metrics (assuming their composition functions are defined) derived from primary metrics, or compose the sub-path primary metrics first, followed by R-factor or MDI composition? Is there statistical or empirical evidence to support either order in general? =20 Regards, Reza Fardid =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C83237.D01BA00C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Al and Steven,

 

I have read this draft with interest and have a = number of questions and comments:

 

Section 3.6

 

R-factor is a valid example of an index as defined = here, however, it is composed of both IP performance metrics and analog = metrics.

On this basis, is it within scope of this = draft?

 

Another relevant index composed of IP performance = metrics is MDI, per rfc4445.

 

Section 4.1

 

Is the comment referring to forecasting of one metric = from another, whose temporally aggregated measurements are = available?

If so, then I fail to see how this is feasible given = that the primary metrics have been defined to be = orthogonal.

 

Section 4.5

 

Another example will be helpful = here.

 

In particular, if a composed metric is derived from dissimilar metrics, e.g., R-factor or MDI, then can one make a general statement or provide guidance

with respect to the order of composition to minimize = measurement error?

 

For instance, is it preferred to compose sub-path = R-factor or MDI metrics (assuming their composition functions are defined) = derived from primary metrics, or compose the sub-path primary metrics first, followed by = R-factor or MDI composition?

Is there statistical or empirical evidence to support = either order in general?

 

Regards,

Reza Fardid

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_1636C_01C833C7.C545BED0-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 30 20:30:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyHBB-00067K-H5; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:30:01 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyHB9-0005zl-Tn for ippm@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:29:59 -0500 Received: from [209.139.228.52] (helo=JSRVR18.jaalam.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyHB8-0000hG-VV for ippm@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:29:59 -0500 X-AuditID: ac108108-0000114c0000078c-45-4750b9157a32 Received: from jsrvr8.jaalam.net ([172.16.128.105] RDNS failed) by JSRVR18.jaalam.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:29:57 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:29:55 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: framework-compagg-05 comments Thread-Index: AcgyqWWoLV792lytRGq7EpRizbw1TgBCbqmQ References: From: "Loki Jorgenson" To: X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Cc: Subject: [ippm] framework-compagg-05 comments X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org =20 Some comments below to Reza's comments (in BLOCKS): Also, some other general comments: Section 3.2 - there is a reference to "true path" with no entry under Terminology to define it. Is it related to "ground truth" (which is defined)? If it is not intended to be a unique term but only a descriptor, I would suggest changing it to something more like "actual" (as used in "ground truth"). Section 4.1 - with regard to weighting function and transient vs. intransient measures (see comments further down). Section 4.5 - second sentence has "would be a the delay" Section 5. As I was dealing with IP issues today and aspects of viral licensing, is it appropriate to include in any composition metric description IP references to embedded proprietary metrics and/or use of standards? Otherwise, I note, most of the requirements in section 5. are technical. On a more general note: I would suggest that there are "ground truths" that fall into two categories - I will term them "transient" and "intransient" - that reflect their variability (primarily with respect to traffic). For example, (minimum) delay is intransient w.r.t. traffic - it may vary due to route change. Most measures and metrics tend to involve transient effects and so averaging is more typical for those (instead of minima). There are underlying temporal constraints that possibly should be noted with regard to transience. That is, aggregate temporal measures over times-scales exceeding known variation lengths may be misleading (i.e. aggregating over a day when transient traffic effects are known to vary on 24 cycle). At least describing these might be appropriate. Perhaps this kind of thing is implicitly part of any weighting function (as described in 4.2 regarding spatial aggregation)? It seems in any case that there are measures that assess the network with respect to its design (how big, how long), and with regard to the traffic and related performance (how much, how well). Intransient features, independent of traffic, are then aspects of the network itself, while transient features are about the traffic using it. If this were considered applicable, I am not yet sure how this would appear in the document. Except possibly as a Section 5. requirement with regard to temporal aggregates than span time periods that are potentially problematic. However, this might be subsumed into one of the other attributes listed there concerning relationship, justification, or inaccuracy. Comments? Loki Jorgenson Apparent Networks t 604 433 2333 ext 105 m 604 250-4642 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:27:47 -0800 From: "Fardid, Reza" =20 Section 3.6 R-factor is a valid example of an index as defined here, however, it is composed of both IP performance metrics and analog metrics. On this basis, is it within scope of this draft? Loki> SUPPOSEDLY NOT 2. Scope INDICATES THAT LOSS, LATENCY, AND DELAY VARIATION ARE THE LIMITS. BUT THIS IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR, I CONCUR, AND SHOULD BE FURTHER DELIMITED. Another relevant index composed of IP performance metrics is MDI, per rfc4445. Loki> NOTE THAT THIS ON THE OTHER HAND IS NOT AN IETF STANDARD - RFC4445 IS INFORMATIONAL AND MDI A PROPRIETARY METRIC (US PATENT APPLICATION 10/604,997). OF COURSE, COMPAGG DOES NOT EXCLUDE SUCH METRICS (AS FAR AS I SEE). IS THERE ANY EXPLICIT REQUIREMENT WITHIN COMPAGG TO IDENTIFY CONFORMANCE TO ACKNOWLEDGED STANDARDS (WHATEVER THOSE ARE)? I DON'T SEE ANY SO I WOULD ASSUME NOT. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm