From matt@internet2.edu Sun Apr 5 20:03:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE15C28C0FF for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ci+gYAQ1TfcL for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magus.merit.edu (magus.merit.edu [198.108.1.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F9D28C0FA for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE943225214 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at magus.merit.edu Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xeT9LpP6BA3W for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matt.local (72-255-50-216.client.stsn.net [72.255.50.216]) (Authenticated sender: matt@internet2.edu) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEC022520F for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49D97134.70704@internet2.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:04:20 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ippm] Draft minutes for the IPPM session at IETF 74 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:03:48 -0000 An initial version of the minutes are now available. Please review, and send corrections to the chairs or the list. We'd appreciate comments by Wednesday, April 24; the minutes are due Friday, April 26. Agenda, minutes, and slides are all avaliable here: --Matt From root@core3.amsl.com Fri Apr 17 13:45:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id C59B93A6EB5; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090417204501.C59B93A6EB5@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-08.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:45:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : A One-Way Packet Duplication Metric Author(s) : H. Uijterwaal Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-08.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2009-04-17 When a packet is sent from one host to the other, one normally expects that exactly one copy of the packet that was sent arrives at the destination. It is, however, possible that a packet is either lost or that multiple copies arrive. In earlier work a metric for packet loss has been defined. This metric quantifies the case where a packet that is sent, does not arrive at its destination within a reasonable time. In this memo, a metric for another case is defined: a packet is sent, but multiple copies arrive. The document also discusses streams and methods to summarize the results of streams. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-04-17133500.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From henk@ripe.net Fri Apr 17 14:04:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F173A6AC9 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.441 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.842, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvAOAWvfQ+GA for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ripe.net [193.0.19.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F103A6840 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LuvFi-0003j8-Cs for ippm@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:05:42 +0200 Received: from geir-2.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3D52F602 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:05:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49E8EF21.6020305@ripe.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:05:37 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ippm@ietf.org References: <20090417204501.C59B93A6EB5@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20090417204501.C59B93A6EB5@core3.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5f571f688c49729a6a21f66906be426b6 Subject: Re: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-08.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:04:31 -0000 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Just to keep everybody up to date: this is a version that addresses comments raised in the IESG about when a packet is a duplicate and when it is not. The idea basic idea has not changed (2 packets, receiver can take either one, the second one does not provide any additional information), it just has been spelled out a bit more detailed. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Mon Apr 20 06:55:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id C30793A6B82; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Message-Id: <20090420135509.C30793A6B82@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Internet Architecture Board , ippm chair , ippm mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [ippm] Protocol Action: 'A One-Way Packet Duplication Metric' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:55:09 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A One-Way Packet Duplication Metric ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Lars Eggert and Magnus Westerlund. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-08.txt Technical Summary When a packet is sent from one host to the other, one normally expects that exactly one copy of the packet that was sent arrives at the destination. It is, however, possible that a packet is either lost or that multiple copies arrive. This document defines a metric for the case where a packet is sent, but multiple copies arrive. The document also discusses streams and methods to summarize the results of streams. Working Group Summary This document was suggested when creating a succint summary of IPPM metrics for reporting to users; this was one that was missing from the IPPM metric suite. There is consensus that this is the right definition. There has been some question as to whether the definition is crisp and unambiguous for both IPv4 and IPv6, and the document has been modified to address those concerns. Document Quality The shepherd knows of no current implementations that claim to implement this metric. However, vendors in the working group have read and agreed with the specification. Personnel Matt Zekauskas (matt@internet2.edu) was the Document Shepherd. Lars Eggert (lars.eggert@nokia.com) reviewed the document for the IESG. From henk@ripe.net Wed Apr 22 00:31:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF603A6EFE; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:31:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.760, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QraIX7oE-kN1; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ripe.net [193.0.19.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC9F3A6B7E; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LwWwe-0005s6-5B; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:32:38 +0200 Received: from geir-2.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5C62F5D4; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49EEC814.5000306@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:32:36 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org, Al Morton , "Hedayat, Kaynam" , Matthew J Zekauskas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d58dcc0deebc758f01bb41d6dc036002e3 Subject: [ippm] Draft-ietf-ippm-more-twamp X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:31:26 -0000 Dear IETF secretariat, The IPPM group would like to ask for publication of draft-ietf-ippm-more-twamp as an RFC. The shepherd note for the document is attached. Henk - - - - Document shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-ippm-more-twamp-00, as required by rfc4858, and specfied in the 17-Sep-2008 version of . (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? The document shepherd is Henk Uijterwaal . I have personally reviewed this document and would not have bothered to write this note if I didn't feel it was ready for the IESG. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? I believe the document has received sufficent review from WG members. This is a small extension to a thoroughly reviewed protocol. I have no concerns about the depth or breadth of reivews for this document. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? No. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? None. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? No. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? This is an extension to an existing protocol (TWAMP, RFC 5357). The issue came up when the TWAMP protocol was close to completion. As the WG wanted to finish TWAMP, it was decided to put possible extensions in another document. TWAMP is actively being used by several groups these days, none of them raised any issues with the document. The document authors are both involved with 2 of the implementations of the protocol and would have flagged any issues. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? No. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? There are the following issues: ** It looks like you're using RFC 3978 boilerplate. You should update this to the boilerplate described in the IETF Trust License Policy document (see http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info), which is required from December 16, 2008. Version 1.34 of xml2rfc can be used to produce documents with boilerplate according to the mentioned Trust License Policy document. It is not clear to me if this is correct, as the document was submitted before Nov 10 (i.e. pre-5378). == Missing Reference: '0-31' is mentioned on line 257, but not defined This looks like an error in the tool. == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on line 292, but no explicit reference was found in the text ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2434 (Obsoleted by RFC 5226) This reference can go. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? None of these are necessary. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Yes, the informative reference section can be removed on publication as there are none. Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? No. (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? There is an IANA considerations section, it is consistent. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? Not applicable. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary The IETF has completed its work on TWAMP - the Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol. This memo describes a simple extension to TWAMP, the option to use different security modes in the TWAMP- Control and TWAMP-Test protocols. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? This document was discussed at various IETF meetings in 2008. There was no controversy in the WG process. Consensus was smooth. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Yes, at least 3 vendors are implementing TWAMP. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. From henk@ripe.net Wed Apr 22 01:16:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AEB3A6BD1 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.331 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.331 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.268, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rV1Hnp6j2O3r for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033B628C316 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LwXdU-0002Mn-E5 for ippm@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:16:54 +0200 Received: from geir-2.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6546A2F5D4 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49EED274.6040107@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:16:52 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ippm >> IETF IPPM WG" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d52eb4d228f7f763e3bc0401f507b5171d Subject: [ippm] [Fwd: Editorial team to work on the "advancement of metrics draft".] X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:16:09 -0000 Dear All, Apologies for the delay in getting this done. 8 people voluntered: Scott Bradner sob@harvard.edu Carol Davids davids@iit.edu Reza Fardid RFardid@covad.com Ruediger Geib ruediger.geib@telekom.de Mike Hamilton mhamilton@breakingpoint.com Vinayak Hegde vinayakh@gmail.com Al Morton acmorton@att.com Emile Stephan emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com That is 8, we said 5-7, so rather than go through some selection process, we believe that we should simply call this the team to work on this draft. We have suggested to the team to organise itself and start working on a first draft for Stockholm. Matt & Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. From henk@ripe.net Wed Apr 22 03:20:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F67B28C48C for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.768, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWyZOeQ-d7Jg for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ripe.net [193.0.19.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B56D28C44C for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LwZaB-0001Xm-Vx; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:21:38 +0200 Received: from geir-2.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C292F5DB; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49EEEFAF.9090404@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:21:35 +0200 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG , Lars Eggert , Matthew J Zekauskas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5406c15691c51a06f77bf7fb48c8d60fa Subject: [ippm] Milestone completed X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:20:26 -0000 Dear secretariat, Please mark this IPPM milestone as done. Mar 2009 Assemble editorial team to work on the process draft (WG version of draft-bradner-metricstest) Thanks, Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. From root@core3.amsl.com Wed Apr 22 07:00:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 38D0B28C4F5; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090422140001.38D0B28C4F5@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-10.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:00:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) for spatial and multicast Author(s) : E. Stephan, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-10.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2009-04-22 The IETF has standardized IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) for measuring end-to-end performance between two points. This memo defines two new categories of metrics that extend the coverage to multiple measurement points. It defines spatial metrics for measuring the performance of segments of a source to destination path, and metrics for measuring the performance between a source and many destinations in multiparty communications (e.g., a multicast tree). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-04-22065809.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Apr 27 12:57:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E973D3A692F for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.279, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KGcOMxVcvGpT for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256933A6853 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lars-2.vzbi.com (lars-2.vzbi.com [166.58.67.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3RJwOO9081513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:58:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <62431212-93A8-44E3-91F3-0E943899EC4A@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-30-562093916; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:58:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:58:27 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-more-twamp X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:57:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail-30-562093916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit High-level bit: Revised ID needed to address a few minor issues, otherwise good to go. INTRODUCTION, paragraph 1: > Network Working Group > Internet-Draft > Intended status: Standards Track > Expires: April 22, 2009 Please add "Updates: 5357" header. TITLE: > More Features for TWAMP Expand TWAMP acronym. INTRODUCTION, paragraph 12: > The IETF has completed its work on TWAMP - the Two-Way Active > Measurement Protocol. This memo describes a simple extension to > TWAMP, the option to use different security modes in the TWAMP- > Control and TWAMP-Test protocols. Suggest to drop the first sentence of the abstract - WG/protocol history is quickly outdated, RFCs live forever. Also, expand TWAMP acronym. Section 1., paragraph 1: > The IETF has completed its work on the core specification of TWAMP - > the Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol [RFC5357]. TWAMP is an > extension of the One-way Active Measurement Protocol, OWAMP > [RFC4656]. The TWAMP specification gathered wide review as it > approached completion, and the by-products were several > recommendations for new features in TWAMP. There are a growing > number TWAMP implementations at present, and wide-spread usage is > expected. There are even devices that are designed to test > implementations for protocol compliance. Suggest to drop the first sentence of the abstract - WG/protocol history is quickly outdated, RFCs live forever. Section 1., paragraph 3: > The relationship between this memo and TWAMP is intended to be an > update to [RFC5357] when published. Rephrase for publication, i.e., "This documents updates [RFC5337]." Section 4.1., paragraph 1: > This section describes REQUIRED extensions to the behavior of the > TWAMP Sender. Section 2 said that this entire draft specifies OPTIONAL functionality. This section says that the following extensions are REQUIRED. That's a bit of a mismatch. Either this entire document is now required to implement TWAMP, or the extensions are OPTIONAL, but implementations that chose to implement them need to do these. Please make this more clear. Section 8.1., paragraph 2: > [RFC2434] Narten, T. and H. Alvestrand, "Guidelines for Writing an > IANA Considerations Section in RFCs", BCP 26, RFC 2434, > October 1998. Please update this reference and the text in Section 6.2 to RFC5226. Section 8.2., paragraph 0: > 8.2. Informative References > [x] "". 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This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) for spatial and multicast Author(s) : E. Stephan, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-11.txt Pages : 51 Date : 2009-04-28 The IETF has standardized IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) for measuring end-to-end performance between two points. This memo defines two new categories of metrics that extend the coverage to multiple measurement points. It defines spatial metrics for measuring the performance of segments of a source to destination path, and metrics for measuring the performance between a source and many destinations in multiparty communications (e.g., a multicast tree). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-11.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-04-28082512.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart--