From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sun Jan 2 07:15:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF44A3A6995; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ArLDxMaB7kk9; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A453A6994; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:15:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.10 Message-ID: <20110102151502.22445.23271.idtracker@localhost> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 07:15:02 -0800 Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-10.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:15:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for TCP Throughput Testing Author(s) : B. Constantine, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-10.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2011-01-02 This framework describes a methodology for measuring end-to-end TCP throughput performance in a managed IP network. The intention is to provide a practical methodology to validate TCP layer performance. The goal is to provide a better indication of the user experience. In this framework, various TCP and IP parameters are identified and should be tested as part of a managed IP network. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-01-02071016.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From henk@ripe.net Mon Jan 3 01:14:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EE028C101 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:14:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.629 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.629 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Htx8wytKCqph for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:610:240:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5F228C0FF for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZgWr-0001Ya-Jr for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:16:38 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=guest133.guestnet.ripe.net) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZgWr-0002d4-5W for ippm@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4D2193F5.4080805@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:16:37 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG References: <4D0F0124.3090809@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <4D0F0124.3090809@ripe.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d586b233bc63a22c36c1806a45e235c57f X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d586b233bc63a22c36c1806a45e235c57f Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:14:36 -0000 IPPM Group, Happy new year. > This is a Working Group Last Call for the draft: > > RFC 4148 and the IPPM Metrics Registry are Obsolete > draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 > > This draft has been discussed extensively at the Maastricht and Beijing > meetings, as well as on the list. Please review the draft and raise any > issues by Monday, January 3, 9:00 UTC. An URL for the draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete/ No issues were raised and this document will be moved forward. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. From emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com Mon Jan 3 01:16:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7432528C0FD for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:16:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06wDzy47KK70 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6EB28C0E7 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B6CC798001; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.47]) by p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327F4760001; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.56]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:18:44 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBAB27.37FAFC0F" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C46201633362@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <4D0F0124.3090809@ripe.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 Thread-Index: AcugFNpLGkXOEfJjT22LGGXF+cXSMgLDvDbg References: <4D0F0124.3090809@ripe.net> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2011 09:18:44.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[38532B40:01CBAB27] Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:16:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBAB27.37FAFC0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Henk, The RFC4148 should not be obsoleted until the IPPM WG proposes a = replacement to the current registry.=20 Furthermore it can hardly be obsoleted before the publication of the RFC = of the spatial composition. To sum up I consider that the IPPM WG is going to fast on this point:=20 - The first step should be to accept the I-D = draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete as a IPPM WG document. - The second step should be to determine if the current registry = insufficient OR if we don't a registry.=20 Regards Emile=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : ippm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part = de > Henk Uijterwaal > Envoy=E9 : lundi 20 d=E9cembre 2010 08:09 > =C0 : IETF IPPM WG > Objet : [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 >=20 > IPPM Group, >=20 > This is a Working Group Last Call for the draft: >=20 > RFC 4148 and the IPPM Metrics Registry are Obsolete > draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 >=20 > This draft has been discussed extensively at the Maastricht and = Beijing > meetings, as well as on the list. Please review the draft and raise = any > issues by Monday, January 3, 9:00 UTC. An URL for the draft is: >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete/ >=20 > Matt & Henk >=20 >=20 > -- > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > ---- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > ---- >=20 > I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous = Politician. > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBAB27.37FAFC0F Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02

Hi = Henk,


The RFC4148 should not be obsoleted until the IPPM WG proposes a = replacement to the current registry.

Furthermore it can hardly be obsoleted before the publication of = the RFC of the spatial composition.

To = sum up I consider that the IPPM WG is going to fast on = this point:

-       The first step should = be to accept the I-D draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete as = a IPPM WG document.

-       The second step = should be to determine if = the current registry insufficient OR = if we don't a registry. =

Regards

Emile =


> = -----Message d'origine-----

> = De=A0: ippm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] = De la part de

> = Henk Uijterwaal

> = Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 20 = d=E9cembre 2010 08:09

> = =C0=A0: IETF IPPM WG

> = Objet=A0: [ippm] WGLC for = draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02

>

> IPPM Group,

>

> This is a Working Group Last Call for the = draft:

>

>     RFC 4148 and the IPPM Metrics Registry = are Obsolete

>     = draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02

>

> This draft has been discussed extensively at the Maastricht = and Beijing

> meetings, as well as on the list.  Please review the = draft and raise any

> issues by Monday, January 3, 9:00 UTC.  An URL for the = draft is:

>

>    https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete/

>

> = Matt & Henk

> =

> =

> = --

> = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -

> = ----

> = Henk = Uijterwaal          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;    Email:

> henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net

> RIPE Network Coordination Centre          http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku

> P.O.Box = 10096          Singel = 258         Phone: = +31.20.5354414

> = 1001 EB Amsterdam      1016 AB Amsterdam  = Fax: +31.20.5354445

> The Netherlands        The = Netherlands    Mobile: +31.6.55861746

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----

>

> I confirm today what I denied = yesterday.          &nb= sp; Anonymous Politician.

> = _______________________________________________

> ippm mailing list

> ippm@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ippm

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBAB27.37FAFC0F-- From henk@ripe.net Mon Jan 3 01:37:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC78228C105 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:37:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.628 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.628 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1yBZZ0dpoNjx for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:610:240:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C568228C103 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dodo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.4]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZgt8-0002nV-Eu; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:39:41 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=guest133.guestnet.ripe.net) by dodo.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZgt8-0005Lk-4V; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:39:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4D219959.1080408@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:39:37 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com References: <4D0F0124.3090809@ripe.net> <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C46201633362@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C46201633362@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d541c305c957f517cd599517faeaa6b69c X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d541c305c957f517cd599517faeaa6b69c Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:37:36 -0000 Hi Emile, > The RFC4148 should not be obsoleted until the IPPM WG proposes a replacement to > the current registry. I disagree. Over the last 6 months, we failed to identify any users for the current registry or a group of people interested in working on a replacement (and with sufficient critical mass to ensure progress). That says to me that there is no need for this. > Furthermore it can hardly be obsoleted before the publication of the RFC of the > spatial composition. I disagree again. The registry will be frozen in the state that it has on the day the document is published, metrics published before that day will be in the registy, anything published after that day won't. > To sum up I consider that the IPPM WGis going to fast on this point: > > - The first step should be to accept the > I-Ddraft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsoleteas aIPPMWG document. There is no formal requirement for this. I consider this matter closed, if you don't agree, feel free to appeal this decision. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Tue Jan 4 11:17:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32E73A6A7C; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:17:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6TgWPQudIm3M; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::2f]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0008C3A6A74; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 552DFE070C; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:19:54 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20110104191954.552DFE070C@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:19:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: ippm@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [ippm] RFC 6049 on Spatial Composition of Metrics X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:17:47 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6049 Title: Spatial Composition of Metrics Author: A. Morton, E. Stephan Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: January 2011 Mailbox: acmorton@att.com, emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com Pages: 29 Characters: 57486 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ippm-spatial-composition-16.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6049.txt This memo utilizes IP performance metrics that are applicable to both complete paths and sub-paths, and it defines relationships to compose a complete path metric from the sub-path metrics with some accuracy with regard to the actual metrics. This is called "spatial composition" in RFC 2330. The memo refers to the framework for metric composition, and provides background and motivation for combining metrics to derive others. The descriptions of several composed metrics and statistics follow. [STANDARDS-TRACK] This document is a product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Jan 10 02:14:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D102428C0ED for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -108.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-108.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2G7HFeC23x6a for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39353A693F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p0AAGLFa030935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:16:22 +0200 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-667278246; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:16:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1391B492-7816-4E51-9119-3FA3E827F231@nokia.com> To: "ippm@ietf.org WG" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:16:19 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete@tools.ietf.org Subject: [ippm] AD review: draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:14:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6-667278246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Summary: Almost ready; some nits need to be fixed. INTRODUCTION, paragraph 1: > Intended status: Standards Track Why is this Standards Track? Informational is sufficient. (This would also fix the downref to RFC2330.) You should add an "Obsoletes: 4148" header. It would be good to add an "Updates" header that includes all the RFCs that defined entries in the registry after RFC4148 initially populated it, so that the RFC Editor database correctly points to this RFC that explains why they are obsolete. I think (but please doublecheck) that it should read: "Updates: 4737, 5560, 5644, 6049" INTRODUCTION, paragraph 6: > This memo recommends that RFC 4148, the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) It doesn't just "recommend" this anymore, it makes it effective. Reword? INTRODUCTION, paragraph 9: > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. The document doesn't use any RFC 2119 keywords - this should be removed. (You use RECOMMENDS in the text, but that is not an RFC2119 keyword.) Section 1., paragraph 5: > RFC 4148 registry. Therefore, the IETF could now declare the > registry Historic without any further reservations. s/could now declare/now declares/. Section 1., paragraph 6: > When a registry is declared Historic, it simply prevents IANA from > registering new objects, in this case new metrics. So, even if a > registry user was eventually found, they could continue to use the > current registry and its contents will continue to be available. In the abstract and elsewhere in the text, you say that *RFC4148* is Historic, and that the registry is *withdrawn*. Here you say that the registry itself is Historic; reword? Section 2., paragraph 1: > in practice, this memo RECOMMENDS that: RECOMMENDS is not an RFC2119 keyword. Section 4., paragraph 2: > The current consensus is to withdraw the IPPM Metrics Registry, as > originally described in [RFC4148]. What does this "withdraw" mean for IANA in practice? Should IANA remove the registry from its web pages? Section 6.2., paragraph 0: > 6.2. Informative References If empty, remove. But I think some of the normative references are in fact informative. 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-- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d52ee5c347e09ca2d848b14991678c56c3 Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:12:37 -0000 Hi Lars, > Section 4., paragraph 2: >> The current consensus is to withdraw the IPPM Metrics Registry, as >> originally described in [RFC4148]. > > What does this "withdraw" mean for IANA in practice? Should IANA > remove the registry from its web pages? For other registries, I have seen: * a comment in the overview list that this is obsolete and no longer maintained. * the files are kept as they were on the day the registry is declared obsolete. This solves the problem of the group having to maintain a registry. At the same time, in the unlikely case that somebody is fetching/using the files automatically, things will continue to work. > Section 6.2., paragraph 0: >> 6.2. Informative References > > If empty, remove. But I think some of the normative references are in > fact informative. (I didn't need to know many of them in order to > understand what this document is doing.) If one does that, then the ID nits tool starts to complain. I think this is better done by the editor before publication. 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From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Jan 10 03:24:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FB428C15A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:24:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1lvjilck9Om for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B428C134 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p0ABPpvJ001647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:25:53 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-671446139; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4D2AEA26.7030509@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:25:42 +0200 Message-Id: References: <1391B492-7816-4E51-9119-3FA3E827F231@nokia.com> <4D2AEA26.7030509@ripe.net> To: Henk Uijterwaal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:25:49 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:24:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9-671446139 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2011-1-10, at 13:14, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: >> What does this "withdraw" mean for IANA in practice? Should IANA >> remove the registry from its web pages? >=20 > For other registries, I have seen: >=20 > * a comment in the overview list that this is obsolete and no longer > maintained. > * the files are kept as they were on the day the registry is declared > obsolete. >=20 > This solves the problem of the group having to maintain a registry. = At > the same time, in the unlikely case that somebody is fetching/using = the > files automatically, things will continue to work. plan sounds good. Can we add a sentence or two on this to the ID, so = IANA knows what they need to do? >> Section 6.2., paragraph 0: >>> 6.2. Informative References >>=20 >> If empty, remove. But I think some of the normative references are = in >> fact informative. (I didn't need to know many of them in order to >> understand what this document is doing.) >=20 > If one does that, then the ID nits tool starts to complain. I think > this is better done by the editor before publication. If we change the status to Informational, this won't cause any downrefs = and so idnits should be quiet. (if it stays at PS, you are right that it = would.) 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list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:38:15 -0000 At 06:25 AM 1/10/2011, Lars Eggert wrote: > > For other registries, I have seen: > > > > * a comment in the overview list that this is obsolete and no longer > > maintained. > > * the files are kept as they were on the day the registry is declared > > obsolete. > > > > This solves the problem of the group having to maintain a registry. At > > the same time, in the unlikely case that somebody is fetching/using the > > files automatically, things will continue to work. > >plan sounds good. Can we add a sentence or two on this to the ID, so >IANA knows what they need to do? Yes, I'll take care of all points this morning. Thanks for the comments, Lars, and for the clarification, Henk. Al From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Jan 10 06:39:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705163A69B7 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:39:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -108.668 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-108.668 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.931, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IfR9M5bEvkhd for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68033A6975 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nokia.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p0AEfA2o000393; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:41:41 +0200 Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com ([esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com with RELAY id p0AEfSEe000746 ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:41:31 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-683185169; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <1391B492-7816-4E51-9119-3FA3E827F231@nokia.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:41:21 +0200 Message-Id: <0FE94369-EBE8-4990-9A1A-7DCCAA9147AC@nokia.com> References: <1391B492-7816-4E51-9119-3FA3E827F231@nokia.com> To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:41:26 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete@tools.ietf.org, "ippm@ietf.org WG" Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:39:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-20-683185169 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2011-1-10, at 12:16, Lars Eggert wrote: > Section 2., paragraph 1: >> in practice, this memo RECOMMENDS that: >=20 > RECOMMENDS is not an RFC2119 keyword. Quick followup: Even if you rephrase this using "RECOMMENDED", that is = still only "SHOULD" level. We want "MUST" level, obviously. But since = this isn't about spec interoperability anyway, I'd prefer to not use any = RFC2119 language here (so we can also remove the boilerplate text and = reference to it.) 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individual submission -> WG document? Thread-Index: Acux3Vws+HhE1AVVTSaXoYF7HKryvw== From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2011 22:19:48.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8BB5850:01CBB1DD] Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02: individual submission -> WG document? X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:17:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBB1DD.A8568C6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I think that there is a misunderstanding.=20 Henk considers that there is no formal requirement to have = draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete to be a WG document. Lars says that draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete is a WG document which = was not renamed. IMO, it is preferable to accept the I-D as a WG doc and do a WGLC on the = WG doc again. Regards Emile -----Message d'origine----- De : tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Lars Eggert Envoy=E9 : mardi 11 janvier 2011 09:43 =C0 : Tools Team Discussion; tools-development@ietf.org Development Objet : [Tools-discuss] individual submission -> WG document? Hi, again, related to draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete: This is actually a = WG document in IPPM, it just was never renamed to draft-ietf-ippm-... How can I indicate in the datatracker that it is a WG document? = Otherwise, the last call text etc. are wrong. Lars -------------------------------------------------------- -----Message d'origine----- De : Henk Uijterwaal [mailto:henk@ripe.net]=20 Envoy=E9 : lundi 3 janvier 2011 10:40 =C0 : STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN Cc : ippm@ietf.org Objet : Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02 Hi Emile, > The RFC4148 should not be obsoleted until the IPPM WG proposes a = replacement to > the current registry. I disagree. Over the last 6 months, we failed to identify any users for = the current registry or a group of people interested in working on a = replacement (and with sufficient critical mass to ensure progress). That says to me = that there is no need for this. > Furthermore it can hardly be obsoleted before the publication of the = RFC of the > spatial composition. I disagree again. The registry will be frozen in the state that it has = on the day the document is published, metrics published before that day = will be in the registy, anything published after that day won't. > To sum up I consider that the IPPM WGis going to fast on this point: >=20 > - The first step should be to accept the > I-D draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete as aIPPM WG document. There is no formal requirement for this. I consider this matter closed, if you don't agree, feel free to appeal this decision. Henk --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Henk Uijterwaal Email: = henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous = Politician. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBB1DD.A8568C6E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02: individual submission = -> WG document?

Hi

I = think that there = is a misunderstanding.

Henk considers that there is = no formal = requirement to have draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete to = be a WG document.

Lars says that draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete is a WG = document which was not = renamed.

IMO, it = is preferable to accept the I-D as a WG doc and do a = WGLC on the WG doc = again.

Regards

Emile

-----Message d'origine-----
De=A0: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss-bounc= es@ietf.org] De la part = de Lars Eggert
Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 11 janvier 2011 09:43
=C0=A0: = Tools Team Discussion; = tools-development@ietf.org Development
Objet=A0: [Tools-discuss] individual submission = -> WG document?

Hi,

again, related to draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete: This is = actually a WG document in IPPM, it just was never renamed to = draft-ietf-ippm-...

How can I indicate in the datatracker that it is a WG = document? Otherwise, the last = call text etc. are wrong.

Lars

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-----Message d'origine-----
De=A0: Henk Uijterwaal [mailto:henk@ripe.net]
Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 3 janvier 2011 10:40
=C0=A0: = STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN
Cc=A0: ippm@ietf.org
Objet=A0: Re: [ippm] WGLC for = draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02

Hi = Emile,

> The RFC4148 should not be obsoleted until the IPPM WG proposes = a replacement to

> the current registry.

I = disagree.  Over the last = 6 months, we failed to identify any users for the

current registry or a group of people interested in working on a = replacement

(and with sufficient critical mass to ensure progress).  That = says to me that

there is no need for this.

> Furthermore it can = hardly be obsoleted before the publication of the RFC of = the

> spatial composition.

I = disagree again.  The registry will be frozen in the state that it = has on

the day the document is published, metrics published before that = day will

be = in the registy, anything = published after that day won't.

> To sum up I consider that the IPPM WGis going to fast on this = point:

>

> -      The first step should be to = accept the

> I-D draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete as aIPPM WG = document.

There is no formal requirement for this.

I = consider this matter closed, if you don't agree, feel free to = appeal

this decision.

Henk

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Henk = Uijterwaal          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;    Email: = henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net

RIPE Network Coordination = Centre          http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku

P.O.Box = 10096          Singel = 258         Phone: = +31.20.5354414

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I = confirm today what I denied = yesterday.          &nb= sp; Anonymous Politician.

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBB1DD.A8568C6E-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Tue Jan 11 23:24:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160E93A6B01 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.741 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.741 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvnpbR9q4FR3 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CED93A6AFD for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p0C7QIPO029747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:26:20 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-46-829875034; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462016BA2E8@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:26:11 +0200 Message-Id: References: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462016BA2E8@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> To: emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:26:16 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: henk@ripe.net, ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02: individual submission -> WG document? X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:24:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail-46-829875034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2011-1-12, at 0:17, emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com wrote: > I think that there is a misunderstanding.=20 >=20 > Henk considers that there is no formal requirement to have = draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete to be a WG document. > Lars says that draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete is a WG document = which was not renamed. >=20 > IMO, it is preferable to accept the I-D as a WG doc and do a WGLC on = the WG doc again. OK, I surely am confused. Is draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete *not* an = IPPM document? I mean, we had a WG last call on it and Henk sent me a publication = request as WG chair. We don't need to do any of this for an individual = document submission. 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00:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dodo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.4]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcvug-0000n5-7f; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:18:39 +0100 Received: from [193.0.21.124] (helo=guest133.guestnet.ripe.net) by dodo.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcvug-0007PW-2X; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4D2D56D7.6070903@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:23:03 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal Organization: RIPE NCC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ippm@ietf.org, Lars Eggert References: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462016BA2E8@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462016BA2E8@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5ff974f920c17988890c07f8b058f9089 Subject: Re: [ippm] draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02: individual submission -> WG document? X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:16:25 -0000 All, > Henk considers that there is no formal requirement to > have draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete to be a WG document. > > Lars says that draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete is a WG document > which was not renamed. > IMO, it is preferable to accept the I-D as a WG doc and do a > WGLC on the WG doc again. Not quite. I said that draft-morton-... is a document which was never renamed to draft-ietf-ippm-... but was nevertheless accepted by the WG. As we have to do a couple of editorial changes anyway, would the problem be solved if the next iteration was submitted as draft-ietf-ippm-...? As it is right now, I fail to see what an approval round and second WGLC would accomplish. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Jan 12 00:25:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E2C28C10E for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:25:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZQR3LBLmQikw for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (mgw-da02.ext.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDB128C0E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p0C8RMtE002209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:27:23 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-48-833536617; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4D2D56D7.6070903@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:27:12 +0200 Message-Id: References: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C462016BA2E8@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> <4D2D56D7.6070903@ripe.net> To: Henk Uijterwaal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:27:18 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] draft-morton-ippm-rfc4148-obsolete-02: individual submission -> WG document? X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:25:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail-48-833536617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2011-1-12, at 9:23, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > draft-morton-... is a document which was never > renamed to draft-ietf-ippm-... but was nevertheless accepted by the WG. That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.10 Message-ID: <20110112151308.31964.42097.idtracker@localhost> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:13:08 -0800 Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Last Call: (RFC 4148 and the IPPM Metrics Registry are Obsolete) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:13:09 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the IP Performance Metrics WG (ippm) to consider the following document: - 'RFC 4148 and the IPPM Metrics Registry are Obsolete' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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From steve.baillargeon@ericsson.com Wed Jan 12 15:42:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB67A3A67EE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvDfzFovbcx2 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAEE3A67D7 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id p0D0MuE6004799 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:22:57 -0600 Received: from EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.168]) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) with mapi; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:45:09 -0500 From: Steve Baillargeon To: "ippm@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:45:06 -0500 Thread-Topic: New Draft: draft-baillargeon-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-00.txt Thread-Index: Acuysr18ZH8olCTHRzeowXFHZW2fGA== Message-ID: <4383945B8C24AA4FBC33555BB7B829EF09653FA6BF@EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4383945B8C24AA4FBC33555BB7B829EF09653FA6BFEUSAACMS0701e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ippm] New Draft: draft-baillargeon-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-00.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:42:56 -0000 --_000_4383945B8C24AA4FBC33555BB7B829EF09653FA6BFEUSAACMS0701e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi We have submitted a new Internet-Draft entitled TWAMP Value-Added Octets. The URL for the I-D is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-baillargeon-ippm-twamp-value-added-o= ctets/?include_text=3D1 It describes a proposal that defines optional padding octets in the TWAMP t= est protocol for identifying test sessions, packet trains and desired rever= se packet intervals, and new behaviors for measuring the one-way IP-layer a= vailable path capacity, IP-layer tight link capacity and UDP throughput in = the forward and reverse path directions. Any feedback or interest? Regards Steve Baillargeon System Engineer Ericsson Canada 3500 Carling Ave Ottawa, Ontario, K2H 8E9, Canada Phone 1-613-618-3436 steve.baillargeon@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com --_000_4383945B8C24AA4FBC33555BB7B829EF09653FA6BFEUSAACMS0701e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
We have submitted a new Internet-Draft entitled TWAMP Value-Added Octe= ts.
The URL for the I-D is:
 
<= font color=3D"#0000FF">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-baillargeo= n-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets/?include_text=3D1
 
It describes a proposal that def= ines optional padding octets in the TWAMP test protocol for identifying tes= t sessions, packet trains and desired reverse packet intervals, and new beh= aviors for measuring the one-way IP-layer available path capacity, IP-layer tight link capacity and UDP throughput in= the forward and reverse path directions.
 
Any feedback or interest?
 
 
Regards
 
Steve Baillargeo= n
System Engineer
Ericsson Canada
3500 Carling Ave
Ottawa, Ontario, K2H 8E9, Canada
Phone 1-613-618-3436
steve.baillargeon@ericsson.com
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 --_000_4383945B8C24AA4FBC33555BB7B829EF09653FA6BFEUSAACMS0701e_-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Jan 13 08:27:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A6F3A6B33 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:27:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.758 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.758 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.159, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9em1TQC10LpP for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368113A6BB7 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p0DGTlnQ002814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:29:48 +0200 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-948887266; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:29:43 +0200 References: <20110113155247.F0CB13A6BA7@core3.amsl.com> To: "ippm@ietf.org WG" Message-Id: <63B9E460-BF27-4A77-B1DE-4D2B81F39475@nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:29:43 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [ippm] Fwd: [ipr-announce] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-baillargeon-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-00 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:27:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-7-948887266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not sure why the datatracker didn't CC the WG on this. Begin forwarded message: > From: IETF Secretariat > Date: January 13, 2011 17:52:47 GMT+02:00 > To: , = , , = > Cc: > Subject: [ipr-announce] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM = Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to = draft-baillargeon-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets-00 >=20 > Dear Steve Baillargeon, Christofer Flinta, Andreas Johnsson, Svante = Ekelin: >=20 > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "TWAMP > Value-Added Octets" (draft-baillargeon-ippm-twamp-value-added-octets) = was > submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-01-13 and has been posted on = the "IETF > Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1472/). 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From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Jan 31 04:15:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20533A6BEF; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u1jZdWuTbG-E; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282503A6938; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:15:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.11 Message-ID: <20110131121502.3996.26833.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:15:02 -0800 Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:15:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for TCP Throughput Testing Author(s) : B. Constantine, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2011-01-31 This framework describes a practical methodology for measuring end- to-end TCP throughput in a managed IP network. The goal is to provide a better indication in regards to user experience. In this framework, TCP and IP parameters are specified and should be configured as recommended. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-01-31040536.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Barry.Constantine@jdsu.com Mon Jan 31 04:33:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FA03A696D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:33:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1o2HI1IHP53 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og120.obsmtp.com (exprod7og120.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.18]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EC823A68A7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([209.36.247.248]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob120.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTUasvkzoLUDk1y2j4AbacEdHPUGbxhpr@postini.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:36:16 PST Received: from milexhtca2.ds.jdsu.net (192.168.10.159) by mx6.jdsu.com (192.168.10.248) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.255.0; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:35:35 -0800 Received: from MILEXCH1.ds.jdsu.net ([fe80::6444:f010:6d40:bdb]) by milexhtca2.ds.jdsu.net ([::1]) with mapi; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:36:01 -0800 From: Barry Constantine To: "ippm@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:35:59 -0800 Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt Thread-Index: AcvBQ2nMzL/I47ikT6+N+COsbYljpg== Message-ID: <94DEE80C63F7D34F9DC9FE69E39436BE398C6C3CC4@MILEXCH1.ds.jdsu.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_94DEE80C63F7D34F9DC9FE69E39436BE398C6C3CC4MILEXCH1dsjds_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ippm] draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:33:06 -0000 --_000_94DEE80C63F7D34F9DC9FE69E39436BE398C6C3CC4MILEXCH1dsjds_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ippm, draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt has been published and has incorpo= rated changes from an independent review by the tcpm working group and Lars= . Thanks to Lars, Richard Scheffenegger, and Alexander for their time and exc= ellent comments The most significant changes to the draft has been in areas of TCP theory; = the core test methodology has remained essentially the same. Below is a high level summary of key enhancements: * The definition of "Ideal TCP Window" has been revised to reflect the c= ombination of send / receive buffer sizes / TCP RWND that attribute to achi= evable TCP throughput (and to reference the minimum required versus ideal) * Specified more precisely that throughput is to be measured in the TCP = Equilibrium state * A new section was added "High Performance Network Options", which spec= ifies how to tune hosts for cases where the network outperforms the client/= server hosts Thanks in advance for any review / additional comments. Barry --_000_94DEE80C63F7D34F9DC9FE69E39436BE398C6C3CC4MILEXCH1dsjds_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello ippm,

 

draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-11.txt has been publis= hed and has incorporated changes from an independent review by the tcpm working group and Lars.

 

Thanks to Lars, Richard Scheffenegger, and Alexander for their time and excellent comments

 

The most significant changes to the draft has been in ar= eas of TCP theory; the core test methodology has remained essentially the same.=  

 

Below is a high level summary of key enhancements:<= /o:p>

 

  • The definition of “= Ideal TCP Window” has been revised to reflect the combination of send = / receive buffer sizes / TCP RWND that attribute to achievable TCP throughput (and to reference the minimum required versus ideal)
  • Specified more precisely = that throughput is to be measured in the TCP Equilibrium state
  • A new section was added &= #8220;High Performance Network Options”, which specifies how to tune hosts = for cases where the network outperforms the client/server hosts=

 

Thanks in advance for any review / additional comments.<= o:p>

 

Barry

 

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