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Dear all,

This BCP would be of interest to both IPPM and IPFIX WGs

Regards, Benoit.

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Subject: 	BCP 170, RFC 6390 on Guidelines for Considering New 
Performance Metric Development
Date: 	Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

         BCP 170
         RFC 6390

         Title:      Guidelines for Considering New Performance
                     Metric Development
         Author:     A. Clark, B. Claise
         Status:     Best Current Practice
         Stream:     IETF
         Date:       October 2011
         Mailbox:    alan.d.clark@telchemy.com,
                     bclaise@cisco.com
         Pages:      23
         Characters: 49930
         See Also:   BCP0170

         I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6390.txt

This document describes a framework and a process for developing
Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
IETF-specified protocols.  These metrics can be used to characterize
traffic on live networks and services.  This memo documents an
Internet Best Current Practice.

This document is a product of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers Working Group of the IETF.


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        BCP 170        
        RFC 6390

        Title:      Guidelines for Considering New Performance 
                    Metric Development 
        Author:     A. Clark, B. Claise
        Status:     Best Current Practice
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       October 2011
        Mailbox:    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alan.d.clark@telchemy.com">alan.d.clark@telchemy.com</a>, 
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">bclaise@cisco.com</a>
        Pages:      23
        Characters: 49930
        See Also:   BCP0170

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

        URL:        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6390.txt">http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6390.txt</a>

This document describes a framework and a process for developing
Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
IETF-specified protocols.  These metrics can be used to characterize
traffic on live networks and services.  This memo documents an 
Internet Best Current Practice.

This document is a product of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers Working Group of the IETF.


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The IESG has received a request from the IP Performance Metrics WG (ippm)
to consider the following document:
- 'IPPM standard advancement testing'
  <draft-ietf-ippm-metrictest-03.txt> as a Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
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Abstract


   This document specifies tests to determine if multiple independent
   instantiations of a performance metric RFC have implemented the
   specifications in the same way.  This is the performance metric
   equivalent of interoperability, required to advance RFCs along the
   standards track.  Results from different implementations of metric
   RFCs will be collected under the same underlying network conditions
   and compared using state of the art statistical methods.  The goal is
   an evaluation of the metric RFC itself, whether its definitions are
   clear and unambiguous to implementors and therefore a candidate for
   advancement on the IETF standards track.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metrictest/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metrictest/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.



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IPPM group,

The author of this draft would like to have some feedback.  If you are
interested, please comment to the list.

Henk


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Inviato: marted́ 11 ottobre 2011 18.10
A: Ionta Tiziano
Oggetto: New Version Notification for
draft-ionta-new-multiparty-metrics-framework-00.txt

A new version of I-D, draft-ionta-new-multiparty-metrics-framework-00.txt has
been successfully submitted by Tiziano Ionta and posted to the IETF repository.

Filename:        draft-ionta-new-multiparty-metrics-framework
Revision:        00
Title:           New Performance Metrics Composition Framework for Multiparty
Services
Creation date:   2011-10-11
WG ID:           Individual Submission
Number of pages: 14

Abstract:
One of the best chances for a Service Provider to face the complex
growth of IP Services, and their challenging requirements/SLAs along
the Core network, is to enrich the current Performance metrics - mainly
derived from a &quot;Network-Oriented point of view&quot;, and therefore a
general perspective, not focused on specific services - with some more
Performance factors, so to include a &quot;Service-Oriented point of view&quot;,
more centred on the particular kind of service, with its own
characteristics in terms of protocol, application, manageability, and
so on.
Almost nothing about this new approach has been standardized yet for
the core network.
To achieve the above goal, and starting from the one-to-group
performance metrics outlined in RFC 5644 [RFC5644], a new metrics
composition/aggregation framework is proposed in this memo, where the
main focus is on multiparty communications (e.g. video providers,
online biding, online stock market, etc.).
Finally this memo is tuned to RFC 6390 [RFC6390] in terms of scopes,
framework concepts, and need to widen the current performance metrics
depending on the application, service etc.

The IETF Secretariat

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I've finished AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics-02.
It's generally in great shape, but there were a couple of things that
I thought needed to be worked out in an update before bringing it to
IETF LC and the IESG:

(1) Section 3.6, 3.7, and 3.8 are empty.  I would think these need to
be at least minimally filled in with the relevant description or
references to other sections, as applicable.

(2) Section 8 (IPR Considerations) is helpful, however note that the
tracker only shows a link to IPR ID #1354, and this section mentions
#1009, #1010, and #1126; does this need to be explained somehow or more
links added?  This is bound to create some confusion and cause one or
more DISCUSS ballots.

Also, two editorial notes:

(1) In section 1.2, "represent have" should just be "have".

(2) In section 2.3, the last sentence shouldn't have "for" in it.

Thanks for your efforts on this document; I think if the few minor
points above can be resolved in an update that this will quickly go to
IETF LC.


-- 
Wes Eddy
MTI Systems

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   This memo proposes to advance a performance metric RFC along the
   standards track, specifically RFC 2679 on One-way Delay Metrics.
   Observing that the metric definitions themselves should be the
   primary focus rather than the implementations of metrics, this memo
   describes the test procedures to evaluate specific metric requirement
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   The IETF has developed a one way packet loss metric that measures the
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   of loss episodes, and a probing methodology under which the loss
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Hello,

I am assuming that anyone is welcome to submit comments on the above draft.

Line 327 "geometric distributed" should be "geometrically distributed", 
I believe.

Line 494 "results is" should be "results in"

Line 545 "which to select" should be "wish to select"

Line 580 "is a follows" should be "is as follows"

Line 632 "for each ..." beginning the paragraph should be capitalized.

Line 706 "proto metric" should be "proto-metric"

Line 732 In mathematics it is customary to use { and } to enclose sets 
rather than ( and ); is the latter notation also standard?

Line 738 "L1,,,,,Ln" should be "L1,...,Ln" (maybe?)

Line 748 see line 738 comment

Line 751 The first parenthesis in the formula is unmatched

Line 764 see line 738 comment

Section 5.3
It would be nice to include a plain-english explanation of what the 
bi-packet-loss-episode-duration-number proto-metric is supposed to 
measure. Trying to infer its intended meaning from the formula in 5.3 is 
difficult. What is the significance of the factor of 2 in the 
definition? The meaning of the ratio is also not immediately clear.

Line 768 The denominator of the formula, which according to the text 
above is the bi-packet-loss-episode-duration-number differs from its 
definition in the previous section. The bracketing also leaves it 
unclear whether n divides the whole fraction or only the denominator; 
the former would be the correct interpretation.


One other thing, does the precision of the time stamping/measuring 
mechanism need to be specified for completeness?

Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Daniel Genin

On 10/27/2011 3:00 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF.
>
> 	Title           : Loss Episode Metrics for IPPM
> 	Author(s)       : Nick Duffield
>                            Al Morton
>                            Joel Sommers
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics-03.txt
> 	Pages           : 22
> 	Date            : 2011-10-27
>
>     The IETF has developed a one way packet loss metric that measures the
>     loss rate on a Poisson probe stream between two hosts.  However, the
>     impact of packet loss on applications is in general sensitive not
>     just to the average loss rate, but also to the way in which packet
>     losses are distributed in loss episodes (i.e., maximal sets of
>     consecutively lost probe packets).  This draft defines one-way packet
>     loss episode metrics, specifically the frequency and average duration
>     of loss episodes, and a probing methodology under which the loss
>     episode metrics are to be measured.
>
>
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics-03.txt
>
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