From nobody Sun Aug 2 17:22:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6FC1A8711 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:22:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PJRoHbd6oD1K for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E6271A870B for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBF720290 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 02 Aug 2015 20:22:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=YX 4hYH5LPX2Tn+DrpiHMFiiKnDU=; b=cvMfbiyMzM0Ff0Npawx1dALV0ETz+3bYZ2 6fAb+hxblo8duRAhRvR2fFpyB9C+OPsWBzmKTT1cpXCZv/QOJKrZrOlF0spGgB/s R1cJ0gQ54RvFQelxIzyzOR7dN8kmznSTf8RwD4gg08TRI0Yocf8Ud6c+OR2lwNZ4 18UkkQTXA= X-Sasl-enc: a2jpgQgACv2KXGqgT/g/XIGwOA+p30+iIQTBBTLqgpj4 1438561337 Received: from [192.168.1.111] (96-35-101-179.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com [96.35.101.179]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AEB83C00012 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cerveny Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_63B2B12F-35E2-4623-9073-3B7D0D57D59C" Message-Id: <2F5BE25D-6506-4AE5-8672-2C4D38D61F85@wjcerveny.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:22:17 -0400 To: ippm@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 00:22:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_63B2B12F-35E2-4623-9073-3B7D0D57D59C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear IPPM Participants: We are commencing a working group last call (WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistries= for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D = (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August 14, 2015. Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including statements that you've = reviewed the document and are okay with sending it up to the IESG for = publication. For those new to IETF process, the WGLC process is discussed at: - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4 - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7 =20 Basic information on the document is below. Regards, Bill Cerveny IPPM WG Co-chair > Title : Registries for the One-Way Active = Measurement Protocol - OWAMP > Author : Al Morton > Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2015-07-24 >=20 > Abstract: > This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active > Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit > positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that > IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- > Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ --Apple-Mail=_63B2B12F-35E2-4623-9073-3B7D0D57D59C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear IPPM Participants:

We = are commencing a working group last call (WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistries = for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D = (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August 14, = 2015.

Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including = statements that you've reviewed the document and are okay with sending = it up to the IESG for publication.

For those new to IETF process, the WGLC = process is discussed at:
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7
 
Basic information on the document is = below.

Regards,

Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair


        Title           : Registries for the One-Way Active =
Measurement Protocol - OWAMP
        Author          : Al Morton
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2015-07-24

Abstract:
   This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active
   Measurement Protocol.  The registries allow assignment of MODE bit
   positions and OWAMP Command numbers.  The memo also requests that
   IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP-
   Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry=
/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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Thanks to = Nevil Brownlee for taking minutes at the meeting.
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Thanks,

Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG = co-chair
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([fe80::41:1c9f:8611:3a4a%20]) with mapi id 15.00.1044.021; Sun, 9 Aug 2015 09:11:27 +0300 From: Tal Mizrahi To: "'ippm@ietf.org'" , "MORTON JR., ALFRED C (AL) (acmorton@att.com)" , "Spencer Dawkins at IETF (spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com)" , "ippm-chairs@tools.ietf.org Chairs (ippm-chairs@tools.ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR related to draft-ietf-ippm-checksum-trailer Thread-Index: AdDSajlAx/4QveJjQ4Sr6nSEhu801g== Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:11:26 +0000 Message-ID: <2c22b7ee529f4956937ec2d37ed542e1@IL-EXCH01.marvell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.4.102.210] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2c22b7ee529f4956937ec2d37ed542e1ILEXCH01marvellcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2015-08-09_02:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=inbound_notspam policy=inbound score=0 kscore.is_bulkscore=0 kscore.compositescore=1 compositescore=0.9 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 kscore.is_spamscore=0 rbsscore=0.9 spamscore=0 urlsuspectscore=0.9 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1506180000 definitions=main-1508090113 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] IPR related to draft-ietf-ippm-checksum-trailer X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 06:11:35 -0000 --_000_2c22b7ee529f4956937ec2d37ed542e1ILEXCH01marvellcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This draft was submitted to the IESG for publication. During the AD review, it was brought to my attention that no formal announc= ement was sent to the mailing list regarding IPR disclosures. Therefore, I want to notify the WG about the following IPR disclosure, whic= h is related to draft-ietf-ippm-checksum-trailer: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-ipp= m-checksum-trailer Note that the terms of the disclosure are pretty liberal, but if there are = any comments, please send them to the mailing list. Thanks, Tal Mizrahi. --_000_2c22b7ee529f4956937ec2d37ed542e1ILEXCH01marvellcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

This draft was submitted to the IESG for publication= .

During the AD review, it was brought to my attention= that no formal announcement was sent to the mailing list regarding IPR dis= closures.

 

Therefore, I want to notify the WG about the followi= ng IPR disclosure, which is related to draft-ietf-ippm-checksum-trailer:

https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-ippm-checksum-tr= ailer

 

Note that the terms of the disclosure are pretty lib= eral, but if there are any comments, please send them to the mailing list.<= o:p>

 

Thanks,

Tal Mizrahi.

--_000_2c22b7ee529f4956937ec2d37ed542e1ILEXCH01marvellcom_-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 12:34:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10381B2E9C for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KW3EDAwr92a4 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AAE11A01F2 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB1021B9D for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:34:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=ZLqMrFSkyMzlwcIbYRZN/I2dS5E=; b=jfWs1 y7mBnRqCjwzX3wW3a4NvRn84wbIU02qFqW2LAoLnDzhMrtK9wbNq2B/BonW54a3i dCVd/Tj1GOUrzW8XJVC1AHDqvqVDjILeE9DF08WMHb2x1/gXyRS+sV/KAQGQnL86 O4xmB2q/QRqmqVmPpk0N94eyzmLri0J527QC08= X-Sasl-enc: iJcA8rHz/8NqXVA1x3fIAEPsBdUUf90Umhiujm+25uJr 1439235261 Received: from [192.168.1.116] (96-35-101-179.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com [96.35.101.179]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7E78D6800B7 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:34:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Cerveny Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0D31C7AD-E96E-4369-94A7-A1E7FAC9DA6C" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:34:21 -0400 References: <2F5BE25D-6506-4AE5-8672-2C4D38D61F85@wjcerveny.com> To: ippm@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <2F5BE25D-6506-4AE5-8672-2C4D38D61F85@wjcerveny.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 19:34:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0D31C7AD-E96E-4369-94A7-A1E7FAC9DA6C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear IPPM Participants, The WGLC for =E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-Way Active Measurement = Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) ends = Friday, August 14, 2015. To date, we have not received any comments or = indications of support for sending the document to the IESG for = publication. If you have any comments, please sendthem to ippm@ietf.org = by Friday, August 14, 2015. Thanks, Bill Cerveny IPPM WG Co-chair > On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny wrote: >=20 > Dear IPPM Participants: >=20 > We are commencing a working group last call (WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistri= es for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D = (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August 14, 2015. >=20 > Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org , = including statements that you've reviewed the document and are okay with = sending it up to the IESG for publication. >=20 > For those new to IETF process, the WGLC process is discussed at: > - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4 = > - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7 > =20 > Basic information on the document is below. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Bill Cerveny > IPPM WG Co-chair >=20 >=20 >> Title : Registries for the One-Way Active = Measurement Protocol - OWAMP >> Author : Al Morton >> Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt >> Pages : 7 >> Date : 2015-07-24 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active >> Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit >> positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that >> IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- >> Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ = >>=20 >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 = >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ = --Apple-Mail=_0D31C7AD-E96E-4369-94A7-A1E7FAC9DA6C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear IPPM Participants,

The WGLC for =E2=80=9CRegistries = for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D = (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) ends Friday, August 14, 2015. =  To date, we have not received any comments or indications of = support for sending the document to the IESG for publication. If you = have any comments, please sendthem to ippm@ietf.org by Friday, August 14, 2015.

Thanks,

Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair

On = Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny <ippm@wjcerveny.com> = wrote:

Dear IPPM Participants:

We are commencing = a working group last call (WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-Way = Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D = (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August 14, = 2015.

Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including = statements that you've reviewed the document and are okay with sending = it up to the IESG for publication.

For those new to IETF process, the WGLC = process is discussed at:
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7
 
Basic information on the document is = below.

Regards,

Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair


        Title           : Registries for the One-Way Active =
Measurement Protocol - OWAMP
        Author          : Al Morton
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2015-07-24

Abstract:
   This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active
   Measurement Protocol.  The registries allow assignment of MODE bit
   positions and OWAMP Command numbers.  The memo also requests that
   IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP-
   Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry=
/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/


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PAM has in the past focused on research and practical applications of = network measurement at Layer-3. However, over the last years PAM = broadened its scope to encompass measurements of networked applications, = content distribution networks, online social networks, overlay networks, = and more. Measurement technology is needed at all layers of the stack: = for power profiling of hardware components; at the MAC/network/transport = layers; as well as up the stack for application profiling and even to = collect user feedback. Measurement technologies are being designed for = the digital home, residential access networks, wireless and mobile = access, enterprise, ISP and data center networks. Although PAM traditionally attracts work that is at an early stage, = works that are a reappraisal or independent validation of previous = results, or which enhance the reproducibility of network measurement = research, for instance by publishing new datasets on an existing topic, = are explicitly included in PAM's ambit. Original papers are invited, but not limited to, the following topics: Tools and infrastructure: Passive and active measurement tools: techniques, design and experience Management and operation of measurement infrastructures Management and visualization of measurement data Measurements across the stack: Application-layer, e.g., social networks, crowdsourcing or gaming End user performance and quality of experience Protocol behavior: e.g., DNS, DHCP, or routing protocols Wireless and mobility Correlation of measurements across multiple layers, protocols or = networks Security and privacy Troubleshooting and anomaly detection Data centers, cloud services, SDNs and NFV Content distribution Characterization & modeling Studies of network usage, or end-host behavior Metrics and measurements of resilience and dependability Techniques for measurements and measurement-based inference of = macroscopic Internet structure, dynamics, and evolution Important Dates Paper Registration: October 9, 2015 Paper Submission: October 16, 2015 Notification: December 18, 2015 Organizing Committee General Chair: Xenofontas Dimitropoulos (University of Crete, Greece) Program Chair: Thomas Karagiannis (Microsoft Research, UK) Publicity Chair: Antonis Papadogiannakis (FORTH-ICS, Greece) Website: http://www.ics.forth.gr/pam2016/ = --Apple-Mail=_24AAE4F7-2C7A-472D-8CDA-83D984BBCEEE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Passive and Active Measurement Conference 2016 (PAM = 2016)
31 March - 1 April = 2016
Heraklion, Crete, = Greece
http://www.ics.forth.gr/pam2016/

Call for = Papers

PAM seeks to bring = together both the network research and operations communities to = consider network measurement and analysis techniques, particularly those = in the earlier stages of research.

PAM has in = the past focused on research and practical applications of network = measurement at Layer-3. However, over the last years PAM broadened its = scope to encompass measurements of networked applications, content = distribution networks, online social networks, overlay networks, and = more. Measurement technology is needed at all layers of the stack: for = power profiling of hardware components; at the MAC/network/transport = layers; as well as up the stack for application profiling and even to = collect user feedback. Measurement technologies are being designed for = the digital home, residential access networks, wireless and mobile = access, enterprise, ISP and data center networks.

Although PAM traditionally attracts work that is at an early stage, = works that are a reappraisal or independent validation of previous = results, or which enhance the reproducibility of network measurement = research, for instance by publishing new datasets on an existing topic, = are explicitly included in PAM's ambit.

Original papers are invited, but not limited to, the = following topics:
  • Tools and = infrastructure:
    • Passive and active = measurement tools: techniques, design and experience
    • Management and operation of measurement = infrastructures
    • Management and visualization of = measurement data
  • Measurements across the = stack:
    • Application-layer, e.g., social = networks, crowdsourcing or gaming
    • End user = performance and quality of experience
    • Protocol = behavior: e.g., DNS, DHCP, or routing protocols
    • Wireless and mobility
    • Correlation of = measurements across multiple layers, protocols or networks
  • Security and privacy
  • Troubleshooting and = anomaly detection
  • Data centers, cloud services, SDNs = and NFV
  • Content distribution
  • Characterization & modeling
    • Studies of network usage, or end-host behavior
    • Metrics and measurements of resilience and = dependability
    • Techniques for measurements and = measurement-based inference of macroscopic Internet structure, dynamics, = and evolution

Important Dates

Paper Registration: October 9, 2015
Paper Submission: October 16, = 2015
Notification: December = 18, 2015

Organizing = Committee

General Chair: = Xenofontas Dimitropoulos (University of Crete, Greece)
Program Chair: Thomas Karagiannis = (Microsoft Research, UK)
Publicity Chair: Antonis Papadogiannakis (FORTH-ICS, = Greece)

Website: http://www.ics.forth.gr/pam2016/


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list Reply-To: Nalini Elkins List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:10:40 -0000 ------=_Part_3618062_1022929778.1439395811318 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3618061_1281770210.1439395811304" ------=_Part_3618061_1281770210.1439395811304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have reviewed the document. =C2=A0My comments have been addressed. =C2=A0= I support adoption of this document. Nalini ElkinsInside Products, Inc. Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:34 PM To: ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 =C2=A0Dear I= PPM Participants, =C2=A0The WGLC for=C2=A0=E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-W= ay Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-regi= stry-00) ends Friday, August 14, 2015. =C2=A0To date, we have not received = any comments or indications of support for sending the document to the IESG= for publication. If you have any comments, please sendthem to ippm@ietf.or= g=C2=A0by Friday, August 14, 2015. =C2=A0Thanks, =C2=A0Bill CervenyIPPM WG = Co-chair =C2=A0 On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny wrote: =C2=A0= Dear IPPM Participants: =C2=A0We are commencing a working group last call (= WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol -= OWAMP=E2=80=9D (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August 14= , 2015. =C2=A0Please send comments to=C2=A0ippm@ietf.org, including stateme= nts that you've reviewed the document and are okay with sending it up to th= e IESG for publication. =C2=A0For those new to IETF process, the WGLC proce= ss is discussed at: -=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4 -=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7 =C2=A0 Basic information on the document is below. =C2=A0Regards, =C2=A0Bill Cerve= nyIPPM WG Co-chair =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Title=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 : Registr= ies for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Author=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 : Al Morton=C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt=C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0: 7=C2=A0 Date=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 : 2015-07-24 =C2=A0Abst= ract:=C2=A0=C2=A0 This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Wa= y Active=C2=A0=C2=A0 Measurement Protocol.=C2=A0 The registries allow assig= nment of MODE bit=C2=A0=C2=A0 positions and OWAMP Command numbers.=C2=A0 Th= e memo also requests that=C2=A0=C2=A0 IANA establish the registries for new= features, called the OWAMP-=C2=A0=C2=A0 Modes registry and the OWAMP Contr= ol Command Number registry. =C2=A0 =C2=A0The IETF datatracker status page f= or this draft is:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-reg= istry/ =C2=A0There's also a htmlized version available at:https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 =C2=A0Internet-Drafts are also= available by anonymous FTP at:ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 #yiv4973559864 #yiv4973559864 -- _filtered #yiv4973559864 {font-family:C= ourier;panose-1:2 7 4 9 2 2 5 2 4 4;} _filtered #yiv4973559864 {font-family= :Courier;panose-1:2 7 4 9 2 2 5 2 4 4;} _filtered #yiv4973559864 {font-fami= ly:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4973559864 {font-f= amily:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4973559864 {font= -family:Consolas;panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv4973559864 #yiv49735598= 64 p.yiv4973559864MsoNormal, #yiv4973559864 li.yiv4973559864MsoNormal, #yiv= 4973559864 div.yiv4973559864MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;fon= t-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4973559864 a:link, #yiv4973559864 span.yiv4973559864MsoH= yperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4973559864 a:visited, #= yiv4973559864 span.yiv4973559864MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-dec= oration:underline;}#yiv4973559864 pre {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;fon= t-size:10.0pt;}#yiv4973559864 span.yiv4973559864HTMLPreformattedChar {font-= family:Consolas;}#yiv4973559864 span.yiv4973559864EmailStyle19 {color:black= ;}#yiv4973559864 .yiv4973559864MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered = #yiv4973559864 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv4973559864 div.yiv49735= 59864WordSection1 {}#yiv4973559864 ------=_Part_3618061_1281770210.1439395811304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have reviewed the do= cument.  My comments have been addressed.   I support adoption of= this document.

Nal= ini Elkins
I= nside Products, Inc.



Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:34 PM
To:<= /b> ippm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for dra= ft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00
 
Dear IPPM Participants,
 
T= he WGLC for =E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-Way Active Measurement Pro= tocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) ends Friday, Aug= ust 14, 2015.  To date, we have not received any comments or indicatio= ns of support for sending the document to the IESG for publication. If you = have any comments, please sendthem to ippm@ietf.org by Friday, August 14, 2015.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair
 
On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny <ippm@wjcerveny.com> wrote:
 
Dear IPPM Particip= ants:
 = ;
We are comme= ncing a working group last call (WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-= Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-reg= istry-00) until Friday, August 14, 2015.
 
Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including statements that you've reviewed the document= and are okay with sending it up to the IESG for publication.
 
For those new to IETF process, the WGLC process= is discussed at:
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4
-&= nbsp;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc61= 74#section-4.2.7
 
Basic infor= mation on the document is below.
 
R= egards,
 
=
Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair
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        Title&=
nbsp;          : Registries fo=
r the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP
        Author=
          : Al Morton
  Filename   =
;     : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt
  Pages    &n=
bsp;      : 7
  Date       &n=
bsp;    : 2015-07-24
  
Abst=
ract:
   This =
memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active
=
   Measurement Protocol.&nbs=
p; The registries allow assignment of MODE bit
   positions and OWAMP Command numbers.&nb=
sp; The memo also requests that
   IANA establish the registries for new features, called=
 the OWAMP-
  =
 Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry.
=

  
  
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry=
/
  
There's also a htmlized version av=
ailable at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-ippm-owamp-registry-00
  
Internet-Dra=
fts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-draf=
ts/
  
 


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X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJXtLzRyYoj9; Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8701A1A1B; Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:35:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150812183548.20922.85788.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:35:48 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group 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This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : A One-Way Delay Metric for IPPM Authors : Guy Almes Sunil Kalidindi Matt Zekauskas Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2015-08-12 Abstract: This memo (RFC 2679 bis) defines a metric for one-way delay of packets across Internet paths. It builds on notions introduced and discussed in the IPPM Framework document, RFC 2330; the reader is assumed to be familiar with that document. This memo makes RFC 2679 obsolete. 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To da= te, we have not received any comments or indications of support for sending= the document to the IESG for publication. If you have any comments, please= sendthem to ippm@ietf.org by Friday, August 14, 2015= . Thanks, Bill Cerveny IPPM WG Co-chair On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny > wrote: Dear IPPM Participants: We are commencing a working group last call (WGLC) for "Registries for the = One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP" (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registr= y-00) until Friday, August 14, 2015. Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including stat= ements that you've reviewed the document and are okay with sending it up to= the IESG for publication. For those new to IETF process, the WGLC process is discussed at: - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4 - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7 Basic information on the document is below. Regards, Bill Cerveny IPPM WG Co-chair Title : Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement Pro= tocol - OWAMP Author : Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2015-07-24 Abstract: This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ --_000_D1F216663D6F5srivathsasjunipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I have read the document and I do fully support the adoption of this.&= nbsp;

-- 
Regards,
Vathsa

From: Bill Cerveny <ippm@wjcerveny.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 1= :04 AM
To: <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-= ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00

Dear IPPM Participants,

The WGLC for “Registries for the One-Way Active = Measurement Protocol - OWAMP” (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) end= s Friday, August 14, 2015.  To date, we have not received any comments= or indications of support for sending the document to the IESG for publication. If you have any comments, please sendthem to ippm@ietf.org by Friday, August 14, 2015.

Thanks,

Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair

On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny <ippm@wjcerveny.com> wrote:

Dear IPPM Participants:

We are commencing a working group last= call (WGLC) for “Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement Proto= col - OWAMP” (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August= 14, 2015.

Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including statement= s that you've reviewed the document and are okay with sending it up to the = IESG for publication.

For those new to IETF process, the WGLC process is discusse= d at:
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4
- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7
 
Basic information on the document is below.

Regards,

Bill Cerveny
IPPM WG Co-chair


        Title           : Registries for the One-Way=
 Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP
        Author          : Al Morton
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt
	Pages           : 7
	Date            : 2015-07-24

Abstract:
   This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active
   Measurement Protocol.  The registries allow assignment of MODE bit
   positions and OWAMP Command numbers.  The memo also requests that
   IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP-
   Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registr=
y/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.o=
rg/internet-drafts/


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In-Reply-To: References: <2F5BE25D-6506-4AE5-8672-2C4D38D61F85@wjcerveny.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:48:56 +0530 Message-ID: From: Vinayak Hegde To: Bill Cerveny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 10:19:00 -0000 I have read through the document and it looks okay to send to the IESG for publication. Thanks Vinayak On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Bill Cerveny wrote: > Dear IPPM Participants, > > The WGLC for =E2=80=9CRegistries for the One-Way Active Measurement Proto= col - > OWAMP=E2=80=9D (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) ends Friday, August 14= , 2015. To > date, we have not received any comments or indications of support for > sending the document to the IESG for publication. If you have any comment= s, > please sendthem to ippm@ietf.org by Friday, August 14, 2015. > > Thanks, > > Bill Cerveny > IPPM WG Co-chair > > On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Bill Cerveny wrote: > > Dear IPPM Participants: > > We are commencing a working group last call (WGLC) for =E2=80=9CRegistrie= s for the > One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP=E2=80=9D > (draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00) until Friday, August 14, 2015. > > Please send comments to ippm@ietf.org, including statements that you've > reviewed the document and are okay with sending it up to the IESG for > publication. > > For those new to IETF process, the WGLC process is discussed at: > - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-7.4 > - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6174#section-4.2.7 > > Basic information on the document is below. > > Regards, > > Bill Cerveny > IPPM WG Co-chair > > > Title : Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement > Protocol - OWAMP > Author : Al Morton > Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2015-07-24 > > Abstract: > This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active > Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit > positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that > IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- > Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-00 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > From nobody Fri Aug 14 05:26:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B1F1ACE88 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 05:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.259 X-Spam-Level: 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10:16:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61132A79DC6@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61132A79DC6@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.202.232] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-03 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:16:36 -0000 Barbara Sorry for the delay and thank-you very much for the detailed review. I agree with almost all your comments. Happy to make it clear that the doc = establishes a format that can be used by non-iana registries. > 8.1.2. Name > I question the need for a prefix (Act_, Pas_, other) as part of the > name. I don't find this so important that it needs to be the first > thing people know about an entry. I don't see why it needs to be part > of the name, at all. This relates to list items 5, 6, 7, 8, and the > last paragraph. I tend to think it's worth including this in the name (although personally = would prefer "Active and "Passive").=20 The registry is aimed at human readers, rather than computers. It seems lik= e people may want to know whether this is an active or passive measurement = - especially where the same metric (say, sustainable video streaming rate) = may be collected actively or passively. I wonder if it's also worth introducing the possibility "hybrid" (see WG do= c https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-active-passive-00 ) Whether active /passive is the *first* thing people want to know - not sure= . Anyway, I don't mind whether Act_ appears later in the name. On the subject of the naming rules. Since we intend that the registry forma= t is used by non-IANA registries, is it worth bringing this out in the name= ? ie the name includes "IETF_", "BBF_" etc Also, on a minor point << 3. "MUST use capital letters for the first letter of each component. All other letters MUST be lowercase, even for acronyms. Exceptions are made for acronyms containing a mixture of lowercase and capital letters, such as 'IPv4' and 'IPv6'.">> why is useful? The rule seems very particular and a bit strange to me. Can = we just delete this bullet and leave it to the Performance Metric Experts t= o decide (see bullet #8). Best wishes phil From nobody Mon Aug 17 07:09:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E081A03A6 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v50bblFW02-N for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05B311A01FC for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049297.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049297.ppops.net-00191d01. (8.15.0.59/8.15.0.59) with SMTP id t7HE9Esv018474; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:09:51 -0400 Received: from alpi154.enaf.aldc.att.com (sbcsmtp6.sbc.com [144.160.229.23]) by m0049297.ppops.net-00191d01. with ESMTP id 1wa24xwkau-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:09:51 -0400 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi154.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t7HE9n7F000437; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:09:50 -0400 Received: from alpi132.aldc.att.com (alpi132.aldc.att.com [130.8.217.2]) by alpi154.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t7HE9gVN000324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:09:44 -0400 Received: from GAALPA1MSGHUBAB.ITServices.sbc.com (GAALPA1MSGHUBAB.itservices.sbc.com [130.8.218.151]) by alpi132.aldc.att.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:09:33 GMT Received: from GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.5.161]) by GAALPA1MSGHUBAB.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.8.218.151]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:09:23 -0400 From: "STARK, BARBARA H" To: "philip.eardley@bt.com" , "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-03 Thread-Index: AdDDD+y3tLoWXB/ISqG16GTQ1S2CNwVw3sFQAAd8KEA= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:09:22 +0000 Message-ID: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61132AFAB11@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61132A79DC6@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.70.239.203] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2015-08-17_02:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1507310000 definitions=main-1508170237 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-03 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:09:56 -0000 Thx Phil. Comment below. Barbara > > 8.1.2. Name > > I question the need for a prefix (Act_, Pas_, other) as part of the > > name. I don't find this so important that it needs to be the first > > thing people know about an entry. I don't see why it needs to be part > > of the name, at all. This relates to list items 5, 6, 7, 8, and the > > last paragraph. >=20 > I tend to think it's worth including this in the name (although personall= y > would prefer "Active and "Passive"). > The registry is aimed at human readers, rather than computers. It seems l= ike > people may want to know whether this is an active or passive measurement > - especially where the same metric (say, sustainable video streaming rate= ) > may be collected actively or passively. > I wonder if it's also worth introducing the possibility "hybrid" (see WG = doc > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-active-passive-00 ) Whether > active /passive is the *first* thing people want to know - not sure. Anyw= ay, I > don't mind whether Act_ appears later in the name. >=20 > On the subject of the naming rules. Since we intend that the registry for= mat > is used by non-IANA registries, is it worth bringing this out in the name= ? ie > the name includes "IETF_", "BBF_" etc I would recommend staying away from putting "registry org" in the name. Bec= ause then you need to have a way of making sure the "registry org" is stand= ardized and unique (since there is no limit on who might want to have a reg= istry, including all orgs and companies, and maybe even regulatory bodies).= Which leads to a registry for "registry org". Which leads to IEEE OUI or C= ID (since IEEE already has such a registry and recreating it probably isn't= a good idea). Which leads to a meaningless-to-human-readers number. I thin= k the domain name speaks volumes. My problem with the requirements for Act_/Pas_ in the title is when we get = to some of the more esoteric uses of a "registry". We said that reporting e= nvironmental conditions was done by defining these as a measurement task. S= o, for example, someone might want to have measurement tasks to get CPU and= memory utilization, internal temperature, external temperature and humidit= y, provisioned max down/up bandwidth, etc. Are these active or passive? Or = hybrid? Or none of the above? I wouldn't expect these in the IANA Registry.= But given how we've constructed the LMAP information model, I think we nee= d to be able to use the registry format for these. It's also very English-c= entric (which is fine for the IANA Registry because everything has to be wr= itten in English; but what about a registry done by, for example, Orange fo= r their internal use -- why does IETF care and why can't they use French ab= breviations, if this is all about the human reader). I would rather this ru= le be completely optional, or apply only to entries in the IANA Registry. From nobody Tue Aug 18 12:14:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5391A1AD9; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LFp04_cVhsIh; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2334B1A1AF6; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Alissa Cooper" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150818191431.10251.89743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:14:31 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:14:32 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I am confused about the last sentence in this methodology step in Section 3.6: "+ At the Src host, select Src and Dst IP addresses, and form a test packet of Type-P with these addresses. Any 'padding' portion of the packet needed only to make the test packet a given size should be filled with randomized bits to avoid a situation in which the measured delay is lower than it would otherwise be due to compression techniques along the path. Note that use of transport layer encryption will counteract the deployment of network-based analysis and may reduce the adoption of network-based payload optimizations like compression." I don't understand what is implied about the relationship between transport layer encryption and one-way delay measurements. I thought the metric defined in this document was generally used for end-to-end measurement of delay, so I don't understand what "network-based analysis" has to do with this methodology step. Is the implication that if the measurement packet is encrypted at the transport layer that delay will change? If that is true, isn't the metric itself agnostic to that consideration -- that is, couldn't that be precisely what the person doing the measurements wants to measure? I could quibble with the conclusions of the note itself (e.g., increased transport layer encryption may change but not necessarily reduce network-based "analysis" of various sorts), but mainly I do not understand how it relates to the specification of the metric. Unfortunately the rationale given in Section 1 ("Added text recognizing the impending deployment of transport layer encryption in section 3.6") does not clarify this either. What impending deployment is this referencing? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Section 6: "The privacy concerns of network measurement are limited by the active measurements described in this memo. Unlike passive measurements, there can be no release of existing user data." I realize this is text from RFC 2679, but I think it would be good to update it to reflect what has been learned since the publication of that document. The mere fact that a host is involved in conducting measurements could well be considered privacy-sensitive in some contexts. And a collection of measurements about a host, even active measurements, could leak information about the host's connectivity/availability/etc. if not appropriately safeguarded. I don't think this changes the protocol requirements for this document, but I do think the text above should note these aspects (perhaps similar to how it's done in ). It's not quite correct to say there can be no release of existing user data. From nobody Tue Aug 18 12:43:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2B81A90F0; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ou7qvOHssc0E; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672931A90EE; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:43:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Alissa Cooper" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150818194335.13611.92600.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:43:35 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:43:36 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Same comment I had on the security considerations section in draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis. I don't think it's quite accurate to say "there can be no release of existing user data." From nobody Tue Aug 18 15:31:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B4B1A875A; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NlF029VxPeba; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136CE1A876F; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Ben Campbell" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150818223143.7785.13308.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:31:43 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:31:44 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Just reviewing the changes: 2.8.1: s/in future/future From nobody Tue Aug 18 20:07:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7971B1AC40B; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:07:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZ7Af4XYIse9; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836ED1AC410; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295C7D8169; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEC3E0695; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:07:05 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Alissa Cooper , The IESG Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:07:03 -0400 Thread-Topic: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AdDZ6iWA9QZSzjuLTbuqawN22/TxhgAOmZqA Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DCBE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150818191431.10251.89743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150818191431.10251.89743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:07:11 -0000 Hi Alissa, Thanks for your review, replies below. Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper ... > Subject: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: Discuss >=20 ... >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I am confused about the last sentence in this methodology step in > Section > 3.6: >=20 > "+ At the Src host, select Src and Dst IP addresses, and form a test > packet of Type-P with these addresses. Any 'padding' portion of the > packet needed only to make the test packet a given size should be > filled with randomized bits to avoid a situation in which the > measured delay is lower than it would otherwise be due to compression > techniques along the path. Note that use of transport layer > encryption will counteract the deployment of network-based analysis > and may reduce the adoption of network-based payload optimizations > like compression." >=20 > I don't understand what is implied about the relationship between > transport layer encryption and one-way delay measurements. I thought the > metric defined in this document was generally used for end-to-end > measurement of delay, so I don't understand what "network-based > analysis" has to do with this methodology step.=20 [ACM]=20 The methodology calls for a random payload in an attempt to measure the delay on an a path without effects of network-based compression=20 (if it is present). > Is the implication that if the > measurement packet is encrypted at the transport layer that delay will > change?=20 [ACM]=20 No, not if the methodology recommendation of a random payload is followed. On the other hand, if end-to-end encryption of user traffic becomes=20 commonplace, then network-based compression will see less deployment because it has little benefit, and the recommendation for random=20 payload will be unnecessary. That's the implication. > If that is true, isn't the metric itself agnostic to that > consideration -- that is, couldn't that be precisely what the person > doing the measurements wants to measure? I could quibble with the > conclusions of the note itself (e.g., increased transport layer > encryption may change but not necessarily reduce network-based > "analysis" > of various sorts), but mainly I do not understand how it relates to the > specification of the metric. >=20 > Unfortunately the rationale given in Section 1 ("Added text recognizing > the impending deployment of transport layer encryption in section 3.6") > does not clarify this either. What impending deployment is this > referencing? [ACM]=20 Ironically, I added the last sentence above during review of this draft, after addressing your comment on what is now RFC 7312, which says: 3.1.2. Test Packet Payload Content Optimization The aim for efficient network resource use has resulted in deployment of server-only or client-server lossless or lossy payload compression techniques on some links or paths. These optimizers attempt to compress high-volume traffic in order to reduce network load. Files are analyzed by application-layer parsers, and parts (like comments) might be dropped. Although typically acting on HTTP or JPEG files, compression might affect measurement packets, too. In particular, measurement packets are qualified for efficient compression when they use standard plain-text payload. We note that use of transport-layer encryption will counteract the deployment of network-based analysis and may reduce the adoption of payload optimizations, however. I'll try to clarify the text in section 3.6, but feel free to make a suggestion yourself. >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > >From Section 6: >=20 > "The privacy concerns of network measurement are limited by the active > measurements described in this memo. Unlike passive measurements, > there can be no release of existing user data." >=20 > I realize this is text from RFC 2679, but I think it would be good to > update it to reflect what has been learned since the publication of that > document. The mere fact that a host is involved in conducting > measurements could well be considered privacy-sensitive in some > contexts. > And a collection of measurements about a host, even active measurements, > could leak information about the host's connectivity/availability/etc. > if not appropriately safeguarded. I don't think this changes the > protocol requirements for this document, but I do think the text above > should note these aspects (perhaps similar to how it's done in > ). > It's not quite correct to say there can be no release of existing user > data. >=20 [ACM] I'll replace the sentence above with the privacy paragraph from=20 section 6 of RFC 7312, including the reference to the LMAP Framework. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7312#section-6 From nobody Tue Aug 18 20:08:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943FB1AC40B; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:08:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zmeKAw7b8Yk5; 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Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:11:06 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Ben Campbell , The IESG Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 23:11:05 -0400 Thread-Topic: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AdDaBbGjoXEJRVz2S0WcaIl4w8norAAJuO0g Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DCC1@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150818223143.7785.13308.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150818223143.7785.13308.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 03:11:08 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 6:32 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2680- > bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis- > 04: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: No Objection >=20 ... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Just reviewing the changes: >=20 > 2.8.1: >=20 > s/in future/future >=20 Thanks Ben, I'll fix that. Al From nobody Wed Aug 19 12:02:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D171A888A; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fvSa_0-NgGja; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488481A890E; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35651122078; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC28E105E; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:01:59 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Kathleen Moriarty , The IESG Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:01:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) Thread-Index: AdDarakH9Q6SqoZaQjebxK47Xzim8AAAtazB Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:02:17 -0000 Hi Kathleen, In resolving Alissa's Comment, we will add a full paragraph from RFC 7312, including the reference to the LMAP Framework. I believe we covered network operator's sensitive information in sections 7 and 8 of the=20 Framework. RFC 2679 and RFC 2680 both depend on the original IPPM framework, RFC 2330, which is limited to active measurement. hope this helps, Al=20 ________________________________________ From: Kathleen Moriarty [Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:34 PM To: The IESG Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org; = ippm@ietf.org Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with = DISCUSS) Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For the most part, this draft looks good, but the security considerations haven't been updated from the previous release. An important consideration for traffic measurement is that it could be used for reconnaissance activity. By colecting results (passively or actively) of measurement data, you learn more about the network and that can be used in subsequent attacks. Can you add this consideration into the text? Thank you! From nobody Wed Aug 19 13:22:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909F81A9151; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PFp_4TsKxNQs; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF811A870E; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:22:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Ben Campbell" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150819202240.20992.76216.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:22:40 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:22:41 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (reviewing only the changes) -- 3.6: I concur with Alissas's DISCUSS about the added sentence about the impacts of transport encryption. -- 5.4: Why not just remove the deprecated statistic? Nits: -- section 1: If there's another update, I suggest moving this to an appendix and not leave it up to the RFC editor to decide. Also, do you expect the RFC editor to remove the opening note? If so, I recommend saying so explicitly. s/differencer/differences From nobody Wed Aug 19 14:26:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849D91B2B23; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y3dw3LUMaRSo; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F97D1A8BB1; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Stephen Farrell" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150819212607.16631.28216.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:26:07 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:26:08 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Alissa's DISCUSS. The newly added comment in 3.6 about transport layer encryption is egregious and should be deleted or else some justification should be offered. I would have hoped for a fuller exposition of the positive and negative impacts of encryption, or none. - the secdir review [1] notes some nits. [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg05920.html From nobody Wed Aug 19 15:55:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6214B1A86DD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qt_fhZxD1yOt for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A64A81A70E1 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2041B20954 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:55:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=bsGiX+EOP12MOm0jkPP0ozFz3sY=; b=g+Heim L7oSGPQTsgjGq3lK5EXh1d6GNrAhlxKOzNgK75ENHcZsrWx+xHPmjkF3deYE59rb s/zm8uwmq6AgR51hwR52gPNi9z2cyzK1vVmKsqr+emD2BpTKFgsjxVhIA5ob59Er +2VBD237hfH4GqghQaQ+zN60FO6aMNCdlV8zM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=bsGiX+EOP12MOm0 jkPP0ozFz3sY=; b=jLpXAgi+UhsjKc6v37aFjGuj9AC7GJaU5MSS/RkZR/Po17U /7OHWdVRcCO+SM/b1RcXogxkRKbQbT52cv/D6bRlCbZgynO4WB+R9CjCMTUSb2dA NzxmPLieQCTZT/CuZydlU+TG5wLpFKTS4lm5kT79+iPEM/jLXDIsAr9B9QQk= X-Sasl-enc: xJoNczNRubfs2jUHhua/HDjov0fFexwH+GPmeZ8oGs7+ 1440024912 Received: from sjc-alcoop-8814.cisco.com (unknown [128.107.241.175]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 25DEE68011D; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DCBE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:55:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5755582B-F64A-4FF9-BFBB-2329CD6F029E@cooperw.in> References: <20150818191431.10251.89743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DCBE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:55:17 -0000 Hi Al, On Aug 18, 2015, at 8:07 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) = wrote: > Hi Alissa, > Thanks for your review, replies below. > Al >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper > ... >> Subject: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on = draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: >> (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>=20 >> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: Discuss >>=20 > ... >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I am confused about the last sentence in this methodology step in >> Section >> 3.6: >>=20 >> "+ At the Src host, select Src and Dst IP addresses, and form a test >> packet of Type-P with these addresses. Any 'padding' portion of = the >> packet needed only to make the test packet a given size should be >> filled with randomized bits to avoid a situation in which the >> measured delay is lower than it would otherwise be due to = compression >> techniques along the path. Note that use of transport layer >> encryption will counteract the deployment of network-based analysis >> and may reduce the adoption of network-based payload optimizations >> like compression." >>=20 >> I don't understand what is implied about the relationship between >> transport layer encryption and one-way delay measurements. I thought = the >> metric defined in this document was generally used for end-to-end >> measurement of delay, so I don't understand what "network-based >> analysis" has to do with this methodology step.=20 > [ACM]=20 > The methodology calls for a random payload in an attempt to measure > the delay on an a path without effects of network-based compression=20 > (if it is present). >=20 >> Is the implication that if the >> measurement packet is encrypted at the transport layer that delay = will >> change?=20 > [ACM]=20 > No, not if the methodology recommendation of a random payload is = followed. >=20 > On the other hand, if end-to-end encryption of user traffic becomes=20 > commonplace, then network-based compression will see less deployment > because it has little benefit, and the recommendation for random=20 > payload will be unnecessary. That's the implication. Ok, got it. I=92m not sure anything actually needs to be noted here = beyond what is already written in RFC 7312. It seems like you would want = implementations to randomize the padding since measurement packets may = or may not get encrypted at the transport layer. So I would suggest = deleting the sentence from 3.6.=20 >=20 >> If that is true, isn't the metric itself agnostic to that >> consideration -- that is, couldn't that be precisely what the person >> doing the measurements wants to measure? I could quibble with the >> conclusions of the note itself (e.g., increased transport layer >> encryption may change but not necessarily reduce network-based >> "analysis" >> of various sorts), but mainly I do not understand how it relates to = the >> specification of the metric. >>=20 >> Unfortunately the rationale given in Section 1 ("Added text = recognizing >> the impending deployment of transport layer encryption in section = 3.6") >> does not clarify this either. What impending deployment is this >> referencing? > [ACM]=20 > Ironically, I added the last sentence above during review of this = draft, > after addressing your comment on what is now RFC 7312, > which says: >=20 > 3.1.2. Test Packet Payload Content Optimization >=20 > The aim for efficient network resource use has resulted in = deployment > of server-only or client-server lossless or lossy payload = compression > techniques on some links or paths. These optimizers attempt to > compress high-volume traffic in order to reduce network load. Files > are analyzed by application-layer parsers, and parts (like comments) > might be dropped. Although typically acting on HTTP or JPEG files, > compression might affect measurement packets, too. In particular, > measurement packets are qualified for efficient compression when = they > use standard plain-text payload. We note that use of = transport-layer > encryption will counteract the deployment of network-based analysis > and may reduce the adoption of payload optimizations, however. Ok, I understand this now with the larger context provided in RFC 7312.=20= Thanks, Alissa >=20 > I'll try to clarify the text in section 3.6, but feel free to make a > suggestion yourself. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >>> =46rom Section 6: >>=20 >> "The privacy concerns of network measurement are limited by the = active >> measurements described in this memo. Unlike passive measurements, >> there can be no release of existing user data." >>=20 >> I realize this is text from RFC 2679, but I think it would be good to >> update it to reflect what has been learned since the publication of = that >> document. The mere fact that a host is involved in conducting >> measurements could well be considered privacy-sensitive in some >> contexts. >> And a collection of measurements about a host, even active = measurements, >> could leak information about the host's = connectivity/availability/etc. >> if not appropriately safeguarded. I don't think this changes the >> protocol requirements for this document, but I do think the text = above >> should note these aspects (perhaps similar to how it's done in >> = ). >> It's not quite correct to say there can be no release of existing = user >> data. >>=20 > [ACM] > I'll replace the sentence above with the privacy paragraph from=20 > section 6 of RFC 7312, including the reference to the LMAP Framework. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7312#section-6 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Aug 19 19:36:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF561A9023; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iaqW50a09eTg; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AB81A9022; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-blue.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.178.11]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37631201F1; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A356CF0498; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:32:29 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:32:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) Thread-Index: AdDa0SSKm4mL/aK8Sy2NLN7KE1rChQAHO5DW Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB99@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 02:36:22 -0000 ________________________________________ From: Kathleen Moriarty [kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:48 PM To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) Cc: The IESG; Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@= ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (w= ith DISCUSS) >Al, > >In case it helps, when I refer to reconnaissance activity, attackers >use metrics or results from metrics to map networks, learn open ports/ >paths to host and other information that makes attacking the host, >network or path to the host easier. This may help differentiate it >from Alissa's privacy concern. Network reconnaissance is a security >operational problem that's been around for a while. > >Thanks, >Kathleen Thanks for sharing these examples. I've been thinking about what reconnaissance measurements would entail, and how reconnaissance is *similar* to the methods and the streams we use to measure metrics. (I started out to differentiate the two - it didn't go that way.) For all of IPPM's measurements, testing entities are required to=20 provide the Source and Destination IP addresses, and some=20 information about the path between Src and Dst. Path assessments often involve running traceroute, and that would be reconnaissance since we will discover some approximation of the path. When we configure a test stream in IPPM, we specify more than the=20 Source and Dest addresses, we usually specify the transport protocol and th= e=20 ports as well. Repeated tests with one or both ports determined at random from a range is somewhat similar to port scanning.=20 Perhaps it's only the rate of port changes that differentiates measurement from scanning/recon. The IPPM methods require that processes at both Src and Dst hosts are under the tester's control ( or permission has been obtained to use the hosts, at least). This seems to be a key difference from reconnaissance= , at first. An attacker using IPPM methods can only learn about=20 networks (paths, open ports, delay, loss) between the hosts they control. But, an attacker could have a large scale botnet at their disposal,=20 and legitimate testing is also conducted on large scale. So, it's beginning to look (to me) as though the main difference=20 between network characterization and network reconnaissance is the intent of the entity operating the tests: Good or Evil. Since I have trouble distinguishing characterization from recon, I'm not clear how to qualify recon and what to write to address your concer= n. We need a good idea here, Al PS: I note that the Gen-ART review has caused us to write a new draft to address comments more fully and appropriately. Perhaps examination of recon providing obejctive differentiation from legit. net.=20 characterization, and what recommendations are possible (beyond=20 "don't engage in recon for evil purposes") could be studied more fully in the timeframe of this new draft. ??? On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Hi Al, > > My concern isn't privacy related. I took a look at the security > considerations from RFC7312 and this doesn't cover using the metrics > for reconnaissance activity for later use in attacks. Is that covered > and referenced somewhere else? > > Thanks, > Kathleen > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) = wrote: >> Hi Kathleen, >> >> In resolving Alissa's Comment, we will add a full paragraph from RFC 731= 2, >> including the reference to the LMAP Framework. I believe we covered >> network operator's sensitive information in sections 7 and 8 of the >> Framework. >> >> RFC 2679 and RFC 2680 both depend on the original IPPM framework, >> RFC 2330, which is limited to active measurement. >> >> hope this helps, >> Al >> ________________________________________ >> From: Kathleen Moriarty [Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:34 PM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.or= g; ippm@ietf.org >> Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (wi= th DISCUSS) >> >> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.htm= l >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For the most part, this draft looks good, but the security consideration= s >> haven't been updated from the previous release. An important >> consideration for traffic measurement is that it could be used for >> reconnaissance activity. By colecting results (passively or actively) o= f >> measurement data, you learn more about the network and that can be used >> in subsequent attacks. Can you add this consideration into the text? >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Aug 20 03:23:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D4B1A8866; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tBHTgyngkwc; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADB31A87D1; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:34:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Kathleen Moriarty" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:34:10 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 03:23:27 -0700 Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:34:11 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For the most part, this draft looks good, but the security considerations haven't been updated from the previous release. An important consideration for traffic measurement is that it could be used for reconnaissance activity. By colecting results (passively or actively) of measurement data, you learn more about the network and that can be used in subsequent attacks. Can you add this consideration into the text? Thank you! From nobody Thu Aug 20 03:23:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E911A8841; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gevi3NGDpr5e; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 849FA1A7D82; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wijp15 with SMTP id p15so134774031wij.0; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bHBqpcAoazmA7QzTCvjMlijLa0L9vWr1QdN4hOfHxh0=; b=Mu4iO7D8lEY/mjXK3HyCmj5v5GN8O5Hv4oRrB/bRc7W1OOn3Q/NUqz3g+rbScg+fJL gyBaTk4Op5E1Qm1UrC3iD8mwDA0fKjBMjDaDcrvSd6llti6eGxuiBPoWJzZAoz4B97Oe y4mAAjLI/uCyQAHLvY5bWQ5fvmfaRtVeXURG3XiDR09XrJ69M3akb7ugRoUVvbGs7LEP 7IleaM1Ql2WNKgjyDJZz7ZnT4FP8frnNQDdCtJa5QAljNokcrCIjdpHXzBOOpWDMJVv9 qXU7ztnRue9KlUuCv6revfL5JoKMtyErIGe2fMoFKXsr4Te575hdJ6zT0pBEO78cBo1u VG3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.82.230 with SMTP id l6mr54944915wiy.61.1440011567305; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.157.84 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 03:23:27 -0700 Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:12:50 -0000 Hi Al, My concern isn't privacy related. I took a look at the security considerations from RFC7312 and this doesn't cover using the metrics for reconnaissance activity for later use in attacks. Is that covered and referenced somewhere else? Thanks, Kathleen On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > In resolving Alissa's Comment, we will add a full paragraph from RFC 7312, > including the reference to the LMAP Framework. I believe we covered > network operator's sensitive information in sections 7 and 8 of the > Framework. > > RFC 2679 and RFC 2680 both depend on the original IPPM framework, > RFC 2330, which is limited to active measurement. > > hope this helps, > Al > ________________________________________ > From: Kathleen Moriarty [Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:34 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) > > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For the most part, this draft looks good, but the security considerations > haven't been updated from the previous release. An important > consideration for traffic measurement is that it could be used for > reconnaissance activity. By colecting results (passively or actively) of > measurement data, you learn more about the network and that can be used > in subsequent attacks. Can you add this consideration into the text? > > Thank you! > > > > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Aug 20 03:23:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B921A1A5D; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gqEOoa_5Pmv0; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8B31A1A2F; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Kathleen Moriarty" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150819222713.20431.20468.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:27:13 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 03:23:27 -0700 Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:27:25 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Alissa's discuss. Alissa's comment reads as being more focused on privacy considerations and this point should be expanded to consider operational security considerations that have been around for a long time, but were not in the original text of this RFC. Collecting measurement data or using measurement data for reconnaissance to later attack systems is quite common. Access to this data or the ability to use measurement techniques to do reconnaissance activity should be guarded agist or at least noted as a security consideration. When you look at text to address her comment, please expand it to include this operational security consideration as it is a very real and present threat. This is pretty much the same as my discuss on the other IPPM draft. Thank you. From nobody Thu Aug 20 03:23:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6E71A1BD4; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v32T4hAmfDES; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33F9D1A010D; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wibhh20 with SMTP id hh20so20890974wib.0; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:48:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=EjxYUxBFTcltLDZo9yiOoizMU5Gpz9227CgVyMiDGyw=; b=r5O87pabDdXRxFL5qAtbJ+JFRQ4dYY5v/eWggxrj4/t+JwmLaIGvXb892W4Sr24l1q FacZuNu8MjUjTUFa61p59IrYkzCSmMM8L8OZ5Ygfqi09bGz7DQ/88G0oJbWJBT8dlH1a AKR/u+CUdLnSN/fCS487bSf4rAvcu8qxkTMR5UzHerIRWPVz2ayGK6sxHRCJm5PisCWB gU+GR3HSKQwV7b1IdmCmwTWa/Fxdjmy6A/Dx0oAyGbbL3nQNTFUwwbFMgs20X3PpEHjh tW2HNimuoIlD9ta0IQWLK7UY/cHMyW/SD4Gvk74OZX5MpE5OpTA8osirvQDRKOsbDVPR TEeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.2.9 with SMTP id 9mr27376841wjq.95.1440024491861; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.157.84 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:48:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 03:23:27 -0700 Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:48:15 -0000 Al, In case it help, when I refer to reconnaissance activity, attackers use metrics or results from metrics to map networks, learn open ports/ paths to host and other information that makes attacking the host, network or path to the host easier. This may help differentiate it from Alissa's privacy concern. Network reconnaissance is a security operational problem that's been around for a while. Thanks, Kathleen On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Hi Al, > > My concern isn't privacy related. I took a look at the security > considerations from RFC7312 and this doesn't cover using the metrics > for reconnaissance activity for later use in attacks. Is that covered > and referenced somewhere else? > > Thanks, > Kathleen > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:01 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >> Hi Kathleen, >> >> In resolving Alissa's Comment, we will add a full paragraph from RFC 7312, >> including the reference to the LMAP Framework. I believe we covered >> network operator's sensitive information in sections 7 and 8 of the >> Framework. >> >> RFC 2679 and RFC 2680 both depend on the original IPPM framework, >> RFC 2330, which is limited to active measurement. >> >> hope this helps, >> Al >> ________________________________________ >> From: Kathleen Moriarty [Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 2:34 PM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >> Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) >> >> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For the most part, this draft looks good, but the security considerations >> haven't been updated from the previous release. An important >> consideration for traffic measurement is that it could be used for >> reconnaissance activity. By colecting results (passively or actively) of >> measurement data, you learn more about the network and that can be used >> in subsequent attacks. Can you add this consideration into the text? >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Aug 20 04:46:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC971A0127; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UdmUIlH-_NcM; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225591A89F2; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-blue.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.178.11]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98727122DAB; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49030F0484; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:46:13 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:46:11 -0400 Thread-Topic: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) Thread-Index: AdDa0SSKm4mL/aK8Sy2NLN7KE1rChQAHO5DWABPZwVA= Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DDFE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> , <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB99@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB99@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:46:19 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) ... > Since I have trouble distinguishing characterization from recon, I'm not > clear how to qualify recon and what to write to address your concern. >=20 > We need a good idea here, > Al >=20 > PS: I note that the Gen-ART review has caused us to write a new draft to > address comments more fully and appropriately. Perhaps examination of > recon providing obejctive differentiation from legit. net. > characterization, and what recommendations are possible (beyond "don't > engage in recon for evil purposes") could be studied more > fully in the timeframe of this new draft. ??? >=20 And this is the URL for the draft (didn't have it while flying): https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morton-ippm-2330-stdform-typep-00 I should have mentioned that this draft intends to update the IPPM=20 framework RFC, so it would be applicable to all active tests. Al From nobody Thu Aug 20 04:53:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9101A9175; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:53:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGtbloHPkTxF; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31291A9117; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (H-135-207-255-15.research.att.com [135.207.255.15]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF56D82E3; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93047E03DE; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:53:31 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Alissa Cooper Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:53:30 -0400 Thread-Topic: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AdDa0iE61UNAeOKDQdmMWDM8DLP9GgAbF1zA Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DE00@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150818191431.10251.89743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DCBE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <5755582B-F64A-4FF9-BFBB-2329CD6F029E@cooperw.in> In-Reply-To: <5755582B-F64A-4FF9-BFBB-2329CD6F029E@cooperw.in> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:53:33 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa@cooperw.in] > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:55 PM ... >=20 > Ok, got it. I'm not sure anything actually needs to be noted here beyond > what is already written in RFC 7312. It seems like you would want > implementations to randomize the padding since measurement packets may > or may not get encrypted at the transport layer. So I would suggest > deleting the sentence from 3.6. >=20 >=20 [ACM]=20 That works for me, will also delete the corresponding change note in section 1. From nobody Thu Aug 20 05:02:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08C41ABD8F; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQjKVH3A37CS; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2B961A92B4; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicne3 with SMTP id ne3so14080163wic.1; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6rwXmZjpbJx8KZ3PnXMz6vPpeGiEakzFQ6azU6X7I90=; b=xgK60zByuGIsyuokOcID/OK+66YvDvG59nOqCz7gNGM8eJQSx5ftOOQl2jNSP9medc t+On38Uph79DEexjUzghn1gZbI7QmdSc0IlDSj/V32uRAYlZAJAWmSIS7lCluRSQvpGL z/KK09AQ5TfEgoqUXPvlekIh9GfdimyutHpxDwQz2RjBBsv/hMlpRFv3PBNLORZEl+Y8 znnm2tTqsv9K6TBc1F2mcQqraV5B/HfQeQDC4RYXUopp1kx9UUHUVhXuwK6TpBv5gTSV 0rvt1obQCm8pURKIOQOhawwXmjpV5Vpiz2goxgPURPqWFHiGkXNT+xmEjjnO4/fv0Tmm +c3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.63.20 with SMTP id c20mr5630050wjs.134.1440072159490; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.28.133 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:02:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DDFE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150819183410.31333.40680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB97@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A00FBB99@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DDFE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:02:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-04: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:02:45 -0000 Good morning, Al. Thanks very much for looking into my question as deeply as you did. If you could write another draft on this, I think it would be very helpful as others would better understand the problem and how metrics may be used maliciously. For this draft, could you add a sentence or two into the security considerations to alert to the issue and then the deeper explanation can come later? Thank you, Kathleen On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:46 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > ... >> Since I have trouble distinguishing characterization from recon, I'm not >> clear how to qualify recon and what to write to address your concern. >> >> We need a good idea here, >> Al >> >> PS: I note that the Gen-ART review has caused us to write a new draft to >> address comments more fully and appropriately. Perhaps examination of >> recon providing obejctive differentiation from legit. net. >> characterization, and what recommendations are possible (beyond "don't >> engage in recon for evil purposes") could be studied more >> fully in the timeframe of this new draft. ??? >> > And this is the URL for the draft (didn't have it while flying): > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morton-ippm-2330-stdform-typep-00 > > I should have mentioned that this draft intends to update the IPPM > framework RFC, so it would be applicable to all active tests. > > Al > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Aug 20 05:05:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E811A9029; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xs2teJ7zRj8; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ACB1A0093; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-azure.research.att.com (unknown [135.207.255.18]) by mail-pink.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E7CD83B3; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njfpsrvexg0.research.att.com [135.207.240.40]) by mail-azure.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5EDE0803; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:04:53 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Ben Campbell , The IESG Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:04:52 -0400 Thread-Topic: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AdDavNOs4EcBXZr7QMiIYifRakQagAAgqFkA Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DE03@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150819202240.20992.76216.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150819202240.20992.76216.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:04:56 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:23 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2679- > bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis- > 04: (with COMMENT) >=20 ... > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > (reviewing only the changes) >=20 > -- 3.6: I concur with Alissas's DISCUSS about the added sentence about > the impacts of transport encryption. [ACM]=20 Ok, I think we have a solution for that one. >=20 > -- 5.4: Why not just remove the deprecated statistic? [ACM]=20 There may be systems using the metric, but it would be very=20 difficult to find them after so many years. It seems better to be explicit about our conclusion, rather than for the metric to simply vanish. >=20 > Nits: >=20 > -- section 1: > If there's another update, I suggest moving this to an appendix and not > leave it up to the RFC editor to decide. Also, do you expect the RFC > editor to remove the opening note? If so, I recommend saying so > explicitly. > s/differencer/differences [ACM]=20 I'll add the explicit instructions to delete the note. The "bis changes" section were positioned to maintain relevant section numbering between RFC 2679 and 2679bis, so the diff that many folks reviewed heighted relevant changes, and avoided=20 section number changes on every page. thanks, Al >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Thu Aug 20 05:47:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9551ACE1E; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:06:34 -0000 Thanks, Al! This looks good for now. Will this go into both of the IPPM drafts? On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:14 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Something went wrong in cut/paste, so here's the text I propose: > > Collecting measurements or using measurement results for reconnaissance > to assist in subsequent system attacks is quite common. Access to > measurement results, or control of the measurement systems to perform > reconnaissance should be guarded against. > See Section 7 of (security considerations of the LMAP Framework) for system requirements > that help to avoid measurement system compromise. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 8:45 AM >> To: 'Kathleen Moriarty'; The IESG >> Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> bis-04: (with COMMENT) >> >> Hi Kathleen, >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:27 PM >> > To: The IESG >> > Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> > bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >> > Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis- >> > 04: (with COMMENT) >> > >> > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> > draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: No Objection >> > >> ... >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > COMMENT: >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > I support Alissa's discuss. >> > >> > Alissa's comment reads as being more focused on privacy considerations >> > and this point should be expanded to consider operational security >> > considerations that have been around for a long time, but were not in >> > the original text of this RFC. Collecting measurement data or using >> > measurement data for reconnaissance to later attack systems is quite >> > common. Access to this data or the ability to use measurement >> > techniques to do reconnaissance activity should be guarded agist or at >> > least noted as a security consideration. When you look at text to >> > address her comment, please expand it to include this operational >> > security consideration as it is a very real and present threat. This >> > is pretty much the same as my discuss on the other IPPM draft. >> > >> >> [ACM] >> There are some useful ideas here that can go into a note (for both >> drafts). >> Something like: >> >> --- >> Collecting measurements or using measurement results for reconnaissance >> to assist in subsequent system attacks is quite common. Access to >> measurement results, or control of the to use measurement systems to do >> perform reconnaissance should be guarded against. >> See Section 7 of > (security considerations for the LMAP Framework) for system requirements >> that help to avoid measurement system compromise. >> --- >> >> Because we're guarding against access, we have a real recommendation we >> can make and a lot of prior study to draw upon. >> I don't think we need another memo for this aspect, the LMAP Security >> considerations cover system access security very well. >> >> >> I was struggling with the case where the attacker builds their own >> measurement system, measures metrics, and uses the results (so far, >> that's exactly what I do everyday), to assist a later attack. >> There doesn't seem to be anything productive we can say about attacker's >> purpose-built systems, and I doubt there's any value for attackers to >> say that their measurement system conforms to RFC 2679 bis. >> >> Let me know if you have suggestions on the text above, Al >> >> > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Aug 20 07:16:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3161ACE5E; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fnofXZTJtEqb; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9DF1ACE7B; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , The IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:18:37 -0000 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:16 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:07 AM >> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) >> Cc: The IESG; Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> bis-04: (with COMMENT) >> >> Thanks, Al! >> >> This looks good for now. Will this go into both of the IPPM drafts? > [ACM] > Yes, that's been my approach all along, assume duplicate comments where > relevant. We'll interpret potential recon as a source of access threats > for now. Doing more requires us to distinguish legitimate characterization > from recon, somehow. Thanks, Al! I'll clear once the updated draft comes in. Best regards, Kathleen > > Al > >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:14 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) >> wrote: >> > Something went wrong in cut/paste, so here's the text I propose: >> > >> > Collecting measurements or using measurement results for >> > reconnaissance to assist in subsequent system attacks is quite common. >> > Access to measurement results, or control of the measurement systems >> > to perform reconnaissance should be guarded against. >> > See Section 7 of > > (security considerations of the LMAP Framework) for system >> > requirements that help to avoid measurement system compromise. >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 8:45 AM >> >> To: 'Kathleen Moriarty'; The IESG >> >> Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> >> bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >> >> Subject: RE: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on >> >> draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> >> bis-04: (with COMMENT) >> >> >> >> Hi Kathleen, >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:27 PM >> >> > To: The IESG >> >> > Cc: Bill Cerveny; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-2679- >> >> > bis@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >> >> > Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on >> >> > draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis- >> >> > 04: (with COMMENT) >> >> > >> >> > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> >> > draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: No Objection >> >> > >> >> ... >> >> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > --- >> >> > COMMENT: >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > --- >> >> > >> >> > I support Alissa's discuss. >> >> > >> >> > Alissa's comment reads as being more focused on privacy >> >> > considerations and this point should be expanded to consider >> >> > operational security considerations that have been around for a >> >> > long time, but were not in the original text of this RFC. >> >> > Collecting measurement data or using measurement data for >> >> > reconnaissance to later attack systems is quite common. Access to >> >> > this data or the ability to use measurement techniques to do >> >> > reconnaissance activity should be guarded agist or at least noted >> >> > as a security consideration. When you look at text to address her >> >> > comment, please expand it to include this operational security >> >> > consideration as it is a very real and present threat. This is >> pretty much the same as my discuss on the other IPPM draft. >> >> > >> >> >> >> [ACM] >> >> There are some useful ideas here that can go into a note (for both >> >> drafts). >> >> Something like: >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Collecting measurements or using measurement results for >> >> reconnaissance to assist in subsequent system attacks is quite >> >> common. Access to measurement results, or control of the to use >> >> measurement systems to do perform reconnaissance should be guarded >> against. >> >> See Section 7 of > >> (security considerations for the LMAP Framework) for system >> >> requirements that help to avoid measurement system compromise. >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Because we're guarding against access, we have a real recommendation >> >> we can make and a lot of prior study to draw upon. >> >> I don't think we need another memo for this aspect, the LMAP Security >> >> considerations cover system access security very well. >> >> >> >> >> >> I was struggling with the case where the attacker builds their own >> >> measurement system, measures metrics, and uses the results (so far, >> >> that's exactly what I do everyday), to assist a later attack. >> >> There doesn't seem to be anything productive we can say about >> >> attacker's purpose-built systems, and I doubt there's any value for >> >> attackers to say that their measurement system conforms to RFC 2679 >> bis. >> >> >> >> Let me know if you have suggestions on the text above, Al >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Thu Aug 20 10:13:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A5F1A0364; 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Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4bhWw44gKDEc; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E891A87EB; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:54:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150820185441.26343.83745.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:54:41 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:54:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : A One-Way Delay Metric for IPPM Authors : Guy Almes Sunil Kalidindi Matt Zekauskas Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2015-08-20 Abstract: This memo (RFC 2679 bis) defines a metric for one-way delay of packets across Internet paths. It builds on notions introduced and discussed in the IPPM Framework document, RFC 2330; the reader is assumed to be familiar with that document. This memo makes RFC 2679 obsolete. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Aug 20 11:55:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AC31AD241; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3GVcnUac1x5; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E771AD23D; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150820185511.29692.81094.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:55:11 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:55:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : A One-Way Loss Metric for IPPM Authors : Guy Almes Sunil Kalidindi Matt Zekauskas Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2015-08-20 Abstract: This memo (RFC 2680 bis) defines a metric for one-way loss of packets across Internet paths. It builds on notions introduced and discussed in the IPPM Framework document, RFC 2330; the reader is assumed to be familiar with that document. This memo makes RFC 2680 obsolete. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Aug 20 16:21:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FB71A1A4F; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WlMnVP0qXh2S; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1A61A1A15; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:21:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Kathleen Moriarty" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150820232152.15133.91630.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:21:52 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:21:54 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for adding in additional security considerations on reconnaissance. From nobody Fri Aug 21 07:28:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331DC1A9237; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cALCiEYOQO8z; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FB61A9248; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150821142808.9123.45672.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:28:08 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm chair , ippm mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [ippm] Protocol Action: 'A One-Way Loss Metric for IPPM' to Internet Standard (draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05.txt) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 14:28:13 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A One-Way Loss Metric for IPPM' (draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis-05.txt) as Internet Standard This document is the product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Spencer Dawkins and Martin Stiemerling. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis/ Technical Summary This memo (RFC 2680 bis) defines a metric for one-way delay of packets across Internet paths. It builds on notions introduced and discussed in the IPPM Framework document, RFC 2330. This memo makes RFC 2680 obsolete. Working Group Summary There was nothing unusual or controversial within the working group. Brian Carpenter identified an issue at last call time, that standard-formed packets defined in RFC 2330, are only defined for IPv4. Rather than try to address this comment piecemeal in draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis, draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis, and various other drafts in IPPM, the authors and Brian agreed that the right way to handle IPv6 was in a revision of RFC 2330 itself, and work on this revision is underway. Document Quality The implementation report for RFC 2680 is available in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-implement-02. This draft is a minor revision of RFC 2680, being advanced to Internet Standard. Personnel The document shepherd is Bill Cerveny. The responsible area director is Spencer Dawkins. From nobody Fri Aug 21 07:29:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38FC1A923D; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lZ87dVba5wzh; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x230.google.com (mail-vk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAC921A923B; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vkfi73 with SMTP id i73so31735799vkf.2; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:29:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yV6/7zGACJolgKm0DzeH6W640DWslALNWi2OZm3F8z0=; b=bWi4QDc1YsgC5c/CLMb/vZrl8Ki6oZUT/jqo3cXuZ79Swk8Ix6Bw/NzaGhLY2pOG4L DV9ghFDX/UxdPt1RwIaKae9C5fg7+zzZO1U5/qs1nPS8vhbX8qltPzLOiPXVa1zJGZuM O7KWJwhb90m7XRUguegCzCiOAaTVxwd6B/hFMHMFsfZa3NHmvXQg72L8KgBfphLiJxtb TRf9eeQKFwqsjysRyHBZo1195unL2ldOCDkiIgHAsdI/Nc0rE4/OAkJV6rSZ7FKWinrG X5p6/wJyavgF0OuaAq8GOo4V/479eG33r8cF2+NGEGEvc03d2oxdYXmCv1h/z7U8cXQ5 +FGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.163.50 with SMTP id yf18mr10502012vdb.93.1440167359039; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.63.1 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DE00@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <20150818191431.10251.89743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DCBE@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <5755582B-F64A-4FF9-BFBB-2329CD6F029E@cooperw.in> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D09A003DE00@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:29:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2ce38da6ff5051dd317c1 Archived-At: Cc: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" , Bill Cerveny , "draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org" , IESG Subject: Re: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 14:29:21 -0000 --001a11c2ce38da6ff5051dd317c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Alissa, On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:53 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa@cooperw.in] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:55 PM > ... > > > > Ok, got it. I'm not sure anything actually needs to be noted here beyond > > what is already written in RFC 7312. It seems like you would want > > implementations to randomize the padding since measurement packets may > > or may not get encrypted at the transport layer. So I would suggest > > deleting the sentence from 3.6. > > > > > [ACM] > That works for me, will also delete the corresponding change note > in section 1. > Al has submitted a -05 that should address your Discuss. Could you take a peek at it, and let us know? Thank you, Spencer --001a11c2ce38da6ff5051dd317c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Alissa,

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:53 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) <acmorton= @att.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:aliss= a@cooperw.in]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 6:55 PM
...
>
> Ok, got it. I'm not sure anything actually needs to be noted here = beyond
> what is already written in RFC 7312. It seems like you would want
> implementations to randomize the padding since measurement packets may=
> or may not get encrypted at the transport layer. So I would suggest > deleting the sentence from 3.6.
>
>
[ACM]
That works for me, will also delete the corresponding change note
in section 1.

Al has submitted a -05 th= at should address your Discuss. Could you take a peek at it, and let us kno= w?

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--001a11c2ce38da6ff5051dd317c1-- From nobody Fri Aug 21 08:51:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633021A8AC9; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:51:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6rLlt0S--W4; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC771A8ADD; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Alissa Cooper" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150821155114.18033.37552.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:51:14 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Bill Cerveny , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:51:15 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for addressing my comments. From nobody Mon Aug 24 08:34:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76E61A0078; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KUXah_O_SdD; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFD61A802A; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150824153334.20466.208.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:33:34 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm chair , ippm mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [ippm] Protocol Action: 'A One-Way Delay Metric for IPPM' to Internet Standard (draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05.txt) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:34:07 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A One-Way Delay Metric for IPPM' (draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis-05.txt) as Internet Standard This document is the product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Spencer Dawkins and Martin Stiemerling. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis/ Technical Summary This memo (RFC 2679 bis) defines a metric for one-way delay of packets across Internet paths. It builds on notions introduced and discussed in the IPPM Framework document, RFC 2330. This document replaces (obsoletes) RFC 2679. Working Group Summary There was nothing unusual or controversial within the working group. Brian Carpenter identified an issue at last call time, that standard-formed packets defined in RFC 2330, are only defined for IPv4. Rather than try to address this comment piecemeal in draft-ietf-ippm-2679-bis, draft-ietf-ippm-2680-bis, and various other drafts in IPPM, the authors and Brian agreed that the right way to handle IPv6 was in a revision of RFC 2330 itself, and work on this revision is underway. Document Quality The implementation report for RFC 2679 is available in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-implement-02. This draft is a minor revision of RFC 2679, being advanced to Internet Standard. Personnel The document shepherd is Bill Cerveny. The responsible area director is Spencer Dawkins. From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:44:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF04B1A92EF; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nkS1BLGGJ2e1; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64001A8AA1; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:44:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150826104435.29696.35524.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:44:35 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec-11.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:44:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : IKEv2-derived Shared Secret Key for O/TWAMP Authors : Kostas Pentikousis Emma Zhang Yang Cui Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec-11.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2015-08-26 Abstract: The One-way Active Measurement Protocol (OWAMP) and Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) security mechanisms require that both the client and server endpoints possess a shared secret. This document describes the use of keys derived from an IKEv2 security association (SA) as the shared key in O/TWAMP. If the shared key can be derived from the IKEv2 SA, O/TWAMP can support certificate-based key exchange, which would allow for more operational flexibility and efficiency. The key derivation presented in this document can also facilitate automatic key management. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:50:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03341B2AA5 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.26 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MI9Usog2Z0xA for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.eict.de (mx2.eict.de [212.91.241.168]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485B01B2AB4 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx2.eict.de (Postfix, from userid 481) id 5BDAC1FF76; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.eict.de (mx1 [172.16.6.1]) by mx2.eict.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EBC1FF6F for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sbs2008.eict.local (sbs2008.intern.eict.de [192.168.2.11]) by mail.eict.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B0A378057 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from SBS2008.eict.local ([fe80::2051:ef24:c7c9:f298]) by SBS2008.eict.local ([fe80::2051:ef24:c7c9:f298%13]) with mapi; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:49:01 +0200 From: Kostas Pentikousis To: "ippm@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:48:59 +0200 Thread-Topic: IANA Considerations updated for draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec Thread-Index: AdDf7NBdb+iDXgG/TNaMXxOAhSTzwg== Message-ID: <0C7EDCF89AB9E2478B5D010026CFF4AEB5ABA2E7B8@SBS2008.eict.local> Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] IANA Considerations updated for draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:50:18 -0000 Dear all, The updated version of draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec is now available at https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec/. Besides the editorial pass, = the key change is the revised IANA Considerations section (https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec-11#section-7) which aims to address the r= emaining comments received after the IESG review (https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-ipsec/ballot/) Best regards, Kostas From nobody Wed Aug 26 11:03:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B798E1B29DF; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g5MbKTFExUJm; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818331A8978; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:03:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150826180338.31660.37678.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:03:38 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-01.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:03:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP Author : Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-01.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2015-08-26 Abstract: This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. This memo updates RFC 4656. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Aug 26 11:06:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82F81B2E8B for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1DH3XlrHBeG for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pink.research.att.com (mail-pink.research.att.com [204.178.8.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69E21B2DD2 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:06:35 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Ym9keT4NCjwvaHRtbD4NCg== --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112218B0100eusaamb103erics_-- From nobody Thu Aug 27 13:29:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F92D1B3815; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7tFTVT69zNN; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD8F1B3AF1; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150827202930.20432.69298.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:29:30 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-02.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:29:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP Author : Al Morton Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry-02.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2015-08-27 Abstract: This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. This memo updates RFC 4656. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Aug 27 13:46:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B821AC406; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nvj3qUZYdXQ6; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4E51AC3AB; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20150827204642.4399.29541.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:46:42 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Last Call: (Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:46:45 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the IP Performance Metrics WG (ippm) to consider the following document: - 'Registries for the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol - OWAMP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-09-10. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This memo describes the registries for OWAMP - the One-Way Active Measurement Protocol. The registries allow assignment of MODE bit positions and OWAMP Command numbers. The memo also requests that IANA establish the registries for new features, called the OWAMP- Modes registry and the OWAMP Control Command Number registry. This memo updates RFC 4656. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-owamp-registry/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.