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Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:12:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Wouters via Datatracker To: Cc: last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry.all@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Paul Wouters Message-ID: <157261395653.31839.392742976360807570@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 06:12:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:12:37 -0000 Reviewer: Paul Wouters Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. As this document populates an IANA registry with metrics values, no security considerations apply. This is stated in the Security Section. Normally, the IANA considerations are within one section and all other sections are written as if this has already been done, except with a [TBD] for any value IANA needs to put in. But this document uses text outside the Iana Considerations section like: "IANA is asked to assign different numeric identifiers to each of the two Named Metrics." It is better to rewrite this with clear text stating Name X is assigned value [TBD] Similarly, the document has "Change Controller", but the way this is normally phrased is to be part of the new Registry definition of "Registration Procedure(s)" which has defined values like "Expert review", "Specification Required", "First Come First Serve", etc. The document should be changed to reflect these standard types of policies, and ask IANA to create the Registries with the standarized procedure terms for updating those registries. From nobody Fri Nov 1 08:54:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09441200C1; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rjgy2ZCKr565; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D724120811; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 61231BC6BC28C47D837B; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMM421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.38) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:54:34 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.58]) by dggemm421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 23:54:29 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Roni Even , "gen-art@ietf.org" CC: "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 Thread-Index: AQHVjjJgXeYSPBPTtkuJ+V4uG/Gmf6d1PmYAgAE9RpA= Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:54:28 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD23D9EA85@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <157233748615.6543.10822415025321392095@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B694BE@njmtexg5.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B694BE@njmtexg5.research.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.210.171.208] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:54:46 -0000 Hi Al, I saw that IANA was consulted during the work. I was wondering what will be the actual text that will be written in the IA= NA registry, I expected section 10 to describe it. Registration Procedure(s) Reference Note I am not sure yet what is the Registration Procedure and what will be writt= en in the Note Thanks Roni -----Original Message----- From: Gen-art [mailto:gen-art-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED= C (AL) Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:52 PM To: Roni Even; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org; ippm@= ietf.org Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-re= gistry-20 Hi Roni, thanks for your comments, please see replies below. Al > -----Original Message----- > From: Roni Even via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 4:25 AM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-=20 > registry.all@ietf.org > Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >=20 > Reviewer: Roni Even > Review result: Almost Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area=20 > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by=20 > the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like=20 > any other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DmLefZkw5Y_ld2AFv2msgpzOV= 5 > Z7lZ JkKTdUQf48X15g&s=3DuUg9ktSDILsslqK-rG4YIc3gMW0n6oCa-7Dk0xtFZRo&e=3D>= . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-?? > Reviewer: Roni Even > Review Date: 2019-10-29 > IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: > The document is almost ready for publication as a BCP document >=20 > Major issues: >=20 > Minor issues: > 1. From reading the document it looks to me that the registration=20 > policy should be specification required which also requires expert review= . [acm] I understand that perspective. In early review with IANA we decided on Expe= rt Review partly because two elements of registry entries require reference= s to immutable documents, such as standards specifications. So the requirement for specifications could be seen as built-in. But we may change to Specification Required now, the last IANA review is in= -progress.=20 > 2. My understanding is that for registration a document is required ,=20 > not necessarily and RFC, but in multiple places in the document ( 7.3,=20 > 7.3.1, 8.2 ,...) the text talks about RFC and not document. [acm] Yes, a few of those slipped through, thanks. > 3. I am not sure if section 6 is needed in the published document based o= n its content.=20 [acm] it's fairly easy for new implementers to pick-up an IPPM RFC (even a STD) a= nd choose parameters that meet their needs. But for the additional advantag= e of measurement comparisons, more context is needed. Some may even ask why= this registry requires the many details. Answer: See section 6. A little history is good. Very few have been joining IPPM sessions long eno= ugh to know this history. > If it will remain then in 6.1 > first paragraph the reference should be to section 5 and not to section 6= . [acm] ok > 4. > In sections 10.2 and 10.3 there are guidance taken from this document.=20 > I think that the for IANA it should say in the registry note that the=20 > registration must comply with RFCXXX (this document), I assume that=20 > there is no need to repeat all this text in these sections in the registr= y note. [acm] I have said on a few occasions that almost the entire memo contains IANA Co= nsiderations. Nevertheless, we wrote and reviewed the memo and (then wrote)= the separate IANA section with IANA's help. I have implemented the agreed changes above in the working version. Thanks again! >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: >=20 _______________________________________________ Gen-art mailing list Gen-art@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Fri Nov 1 09:55:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF80B120978; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:55:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Halpern via Datatracker To: Cc: last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry.all@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Joel Halpern Message-ID: <157262730194.31927.5524715609259531175@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:55:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:55:02 -0000 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review Date: 2019-11-01 IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard Side note: I presume that as part of the process for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry (the normative reference the defines the structure used in this document) there has been discussion with IANA explicitly about the fact that this registry has an extremely large number of columns, some with extremely verbose content, and it will likely take some work for IANA to determine how to present this in a human-readable fashion? And the lesser point that is probably covered by existing procedures, but I wanted to check, that IANA is prepared to fill in the URLs scattered throughout the document? Second note: I did not review the accuracy of the descriptions of the metrics, but only looked for clarity. This is material well known to the WG, and mostly derived from other documents this or closely related working groups have produced. Major issues: N/A Minor issues: For those entries that are defining two (or more) closely related metrics, should the document actually have two (or more) lines for URL, since the text says that IANA is to assign two URLs. (And the list of differing fields should presumably include URL?) In the first part of section 5, there is a note about potentially splitting the registry entry into two registry entries. I can not understand the note. The registry is either defined with one entry or defined with two entries. Is this still an open item? (If so, my "ready" above clearly should be "Ready with issues.") I think it is just an erroneous retention of text from earlier? Nits/editorial comments: If there are no roles to define in 5.3.6, shouldn't it say "N/A" Some comments and remarks say "None" which makes sense. Some say "Additional (Informational) details for this entry" which seems to be text left over from the template that should say "None"? 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the new version includes additional details = on the use of the Access Report TLV and introduces a new Follow-up Telemetr= y TLV.
Your comments, questions, and suggestions are always welco= me and are much appreciated.

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Abstract:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Measurement Protocol (STAMP) which enable measurement performa= nce
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bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 475pGZ2yq2z2mH6H; Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:00:06 -0800 (PST) To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "gen-art@ietf.org" Cc: "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry.all@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" References: <157262730194.31927.5524715609259531175@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6B28E@njmtexg5.research.att.com> From: Joel Halpern Direct Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 16:00:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6B28E@njmtexg5.research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 21:00:10 -0000 Thanks Al. I presumed all the ducks were in a row, but thought I should ask to be certain. Yours, Joel On 11/3/2019 3:14 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Joel, > Thanks for your review, please see replies below. > Al > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Halpern via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] >> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:55 PM >> To: gen-art@ietf.org >> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry.all@ietf.org; >> ippm@ietf.org >> Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 >> >> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >> Review result: Ready >> >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >> by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just >> like any other last call comments. >> >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >> >> > 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=DwICaQ&c=LFYZ- >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=GTgiUHp01_savOvQS49iOt8XRHfRw >> hPgZj-TNotgKGk&s=M0ib3zYg2qffmRujLJv2h_WHQ16W9fOYat9hNtBqcFk&e=>. >> >> Document: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 >> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >> Review Date: 2019-11-01 >> IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >> >> Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard >> >> Side note: I presume that as part of the process for >> draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry (the normative reference the defines the >> structure used in this document) there has been discussion with IANA explicitly >> about the fact that this registry has an extremely large number of >> columns, some with extremely verbose content, and it will likely take some work for >> IANA to determine how to present this in a human-readable fashion? And the >> lesser point that is probably covered by existing procedures, but I wanted to >> check, that IANA is prepared to fill in the URLs scattered throughout the >> document? > [acm] > Yes and Yes. We prepared a mock-up of the new Registry at various stages > of development. Humbly, it was my idea to make the registry entries both > readable and useful. The IANA reps suggested the mock-up early-on, and we have > shared the different versions with the IPPM WG. We/IANA plan to make the > mock-up more widely available (but we failed to do that in time for Last Call). >> >> Second note: I did not review the accuracy of the descriptions of the metrics, >> but only looked for clarity. This is material well known to the WG, and mostly >> derived from other documents this or closely related working groups have >> produced. >> >> Major issues: N/A >> >> Minor issues: >> For those entries that are defining two (or more) closely related metrics, >> should the document actually have two (or more) lines for URL, since the >> text says that IANA is to assign two URLs. (And the list of differing >> fields should presumably include URL?) > [acm] > There are sections of the document that define more than one registry entry, > so yes, there will be >1 URLs, etc. in the corresponding rows. >> >> In the first part of section 5, there is a note about potentially splitting >> the registry entry into two registry entries. I can not understand the >> note. The registry is either defined with one entry or defined with two >> entries. Is this still an open item? (If so, my "ready" above clearly >> should be "Ready with issues.") I think it is just an erroneous retention >> of text from earlier? > [acm] > Exactly, it is a note left-stranded by editing later in the section, > thanks for catching it - deleted in the working version. > >> >> Nits/editorial comments: >> If there are no roles to define in 5.3.6, shouldn't it say "N/A" > [acm] > Actually, it should define the Roles (Src and Dst) as with other Metrics. > Something went wrong with formatting here - the text below the > section header disappeared... thanks for catching that! > >> Some comments and remarks say "None" which makes sense. Some say >> "Additional (Informational) details for this entry" which seems to be >> text left over from the template that should say "None"? > [acm] > Right, found and replaced in working copy. > >> > From nobody Mon Nov 4 01:51:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF1C1200FE; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 01:51:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157286107175.16644.16466200709035341712@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 01:51:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 09:51:12 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Multipoint Alternate Marking method for passive and hybrid performance monitoring Authors : Giuseppe Fioccola Mauro Cociglio Amedeo Sapio Riccardo Sisto Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: The Alternate Marking method, as presented in RFC 8321 [RFC8321], can be applied only to point-to-point flows because it assumes that all the packets of the flow measured on one node are measured again by a single second node. This document aims to generalize and expand this methodology to measure any kind of unicast flows, whose packets can follow several different paths in the network, in wider terms a multipoint-to-multipoint network. For this reason the technique here described is called Multipoint Alternate Marking. Some definitions here introduced extend the scope of RFC 5644 [RFC5644] in the context of alternate marking schema. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 4 02:17:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F8F1208C1; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 02:17:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lUGc7rdHVUYb; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 02:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0E2312010E; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 02:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id E7788AC7B779EA3D8584; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:17:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.36) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:17:15 +0000 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.33) by fraeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:17:15 +0100 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) by fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:17:15 +0100 From: Giuseppe Fioccola To: IETF IPPM WG CC: "draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHVkvWIXjKM3TeA2UuhEMmLVtLsw6d6xiOg Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:17:15 +0000 Message-ID: <49ebc09d8ef34e4badc0b083ac7a6dd9@huawei.com> References: <157286107175.16644.16466200709035341712@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <157286107175.16644.16466200709035341712@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.204.62.186] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 10:17:21 -0000 Dear All, This new revision aims to address the comments we received from Jos=E9 Igna= cio Alvarez-Hamelin during the last IETF meeting in Montreal and the commen= ts from Sudhin Jacob on the mailing list. In particular we have added the reference to the paper "Multipoint Passive = Monitoring in Packet Networks" that has been accepted by the IEEE/ACM Trans= actions on Networking journal and it includes the complete and mathematical= analysis of the Algorithms for Cluster partition. Feedback and comments are always welcome, Look forward to seeing you in Singapore. Best Regards, Giuseppe -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 10:51 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Multipoint Alternate Marking method for passive a= nd hybrid performance monitoring Authors : Giuseppe Fioccola Mauro Cociglio Amedeo Sapio Riccardo Sisto Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: The Alternate Marking method, as presented in RFC 8321 [RFC8321], can be applied only to point-to-point flows because it assumes that all the packets of the flow measured on one node are measured again by a single second node. This document aims to generalize and expand this methodology to measure any kind of unicast flows, whose packets can follow several different paths in the network, in wider terms a multipoint-to-multipoint network. For this reason the technique here described is called Multipoint Alternate Marking. Some definitions here introduced extend the scope of RFC 5644 [RFC5644] in the context of alternate marking schema. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-0= 3 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Mon Nov 4 04:17:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E461200FE; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 04:17:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Liang Xia via Datatracker To: Cc: last-call@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Liang Xia Message-ID: <157286982914.16495.10027301533569708716@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 04:17:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 12:17:09 -0000 Reviewer: Liang Xia Review result: Ready I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This document defines the format for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. This document also gives a set of guidelines for Registered Performance Metric requesters and reviewers. I agree with the statement in Security Considerations that "This draft defines a registry structure, and does not itself introduce any new security considerations for the Internet." So, the specific security consideration for the defined new Performance Metrics Registry should be described in the mandatory references and evaluated and passed by the appointed Performance Metrics Experts. In summary, there is no more security issues left for this document. 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This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Advanced Unidirectional Route Assessment (AURA) Authors : J. Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin Al Morton Joachim Fabini Carlos Pignataro Ruediger Geib Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-route-06.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This memo introduces an advanced unidirectional route assessment (AURA) metric and associated measurement methodology, based on the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) Framework RFC 2330. This memo updates RFC 2330 in the areas of path-related terminology and path description, primarily to include the possibility of parallel subpaths between a given Source and Destination pair, owing to the presence of multi- path technologies. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 4 11:49:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE7912089A for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:48:55 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: <1PNri-kDvTiP> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Improper folded header field made up entirely of whitespace (char 20 hex): References: ...CF0@MN2PR11MB3629.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>\n X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1PNri-kDvTiP for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3643D120800 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0053301.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id xA4JcDLM028881; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:48:51 -0500 Received: from tlpd255.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (sbcsmtp3.sbc.com [144.160.112.28]) by mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2w2swq10rm-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:48:51 -0500 Received: from enaf.dadc.sbc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tlpd255.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xA4JmnM7037443; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:50 -0600 Received: from zlp30499.vci.att.com (zlp30499.vci.att.com [135.46.181.149]) by tlpd255.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xA4JmiXb037099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:44 -0600 Received: from zlp30499.vci.att.com (zlp30499.vci.att.com [127.0.0.1]) by zlp30499.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTP id 75A214000731; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:48:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (unknown [135.41.1.46]) by zlp30499.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTP id 4A1724000733; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:48:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sldc.sbc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xA4JminZ030439; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:44 -0600 Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (mail-green.research.att.com [135.207.255.15]) by clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xA4Jma7r029842; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:36 -0600 Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njbdcas1.research.att.com [135.197.255.61]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D6FE3654; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from njmtexg5.research.att.com ([fe80::b09c:ff13:4487:78b6]) by njbdcas1.research.att.com ([fe80::8c6b:4b77:618f:9a01%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:48:22 -0500 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "Frank Brockners (fbrockne)" , "ippm@ietf.org" , "Foote, Footer (Nokia - CA)" Thread-Topic: a few notes on draft-ietf-ippm-route-04 Thread-Index: AdU7MUcjE/OSq8oMQoCo2W0zHnbUxQGPE+8gFHZF32A= Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:48:21 +0000 Message-ID: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6BFD9@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [65.74.234.205] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6BFD9njmtexg5researc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-11-04_11:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911040187 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] a few notes on draft-ietf-ippm-route-04 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:49:00 -0000 --_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6BFD9njmtexg5researc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, Footer, and all IPPM'ers, Happy draft deadline day! I'll keep this short. The AURA draft team has worked through your comments and questions, some of which we've already discussed on the list and at IETF-105, and proposed solutions in the text. With these comment resolutions and two updates since IETF-105, the authors believe this draft is a candidate for WGLC. The updated draft is here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 Thanks again, and regards, Al (for the AURA co-authors) From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:14 PM To: 'Frank Brockners (fbrockne)' ; ippm@ietf.org; draft= -ietf-ippm-route@ietf.org Subject: RE: a few notes on draft-ietf-ippm-route-04 Hi Frank, Thanks (again) for your comments! We've had a hallway conversation on your key points. I'm putting some of what we talked about on the list, for more feedback possibilities, in addition to the IPPM Session on Wednesday. please see in-line, Al From: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) [mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:44 PM To: ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-route@ietf.org Subject: a few notes on draft-ietf-ippm-route-04 Just gave draft-ietf-ippm-route-04 a quick read through, as promised during= the last IPPM meeting in Prague. A few general notes: * Nomenclature: While I understand the objective to extend/update RFC 2330,= IMHO we need to adjust some of the terminology in the document to the curr= ent use from what was defined back in the 90s. The most problematic IMHO is= the term "host". RFC 2330 defines a "host" as "A computer capable of com= municating using the Internet protocols; includes "routers"". But if you co= nsider a more recent document like RFC 8200, there it is stated that a "hos= t" is "any node that is not a router." To grow the confusion, there are sen= tences like (see lines 179-181) "May contain hosts that do not decrement TT= L or Hop Limit, but may have two or more exchange links connecting "discove= rable" hosts or routers" which mix "host" and "host or router", despite the= fact that host would have been sufficient in this sentence. One potential resolution could be to evolve to using "nodes" as the superse= t of end-systems (now typically "hosts") and routers. And further on this topic: draft-ietf-ippm-route should apply to all types = of nodes, including nodes which run in a VM or as a container. Thus the old= definition that a host is "a computer" would need to be made more generic = in any case. The same applies to the term link which should include virtual= links and virtual interfaces (like a vhost interface), ip links to connect= namespaces etc. [acm] I brought up yet-another-definition when we talked: Vint Cerf used to joke= during his talks (IIRC), A router is a PC with a Graduate student wrapped = around it. This supports the RFC2330 host definition, but I also remember c= ringing a bit when I re-read: "host: A computer..." which was fine when RFC= 2330 was written, 20 years of development means there are many different ty= pes of hosts (baremetal hosts, guest hosts, etc.) and clarification is need= ed. Some Options for new path terminology: A. Retain host, add new Node term and definition: - RFC 2330 host: a computer capable of IP communication, includes routers - Node: Any network function on the path capable of IP-layer Communication,= includes RFC 2330 hosts B. Revise host (use the word node in a general way): - host: a node on the path possessing a coherent compute environment and ca= pable of IP-layer Communication, includes RFC 2330 hosts C. - ? * Alignment of traceroute-style methods with hybrid methods in the discussi= on section (3.5). Suggest to harmonize section 3.5 with section 4.2; E.g. s= tatements like "If a discovered host always replies using the same network = address, regardless of the interface a packet arrives on, then multiple par= allel links cannot be detected in that network domain." apply well to trace= route-style methods, but might not be true for hybrid methods like IOAM. Si= milar considerations apply to the next bullet point. [acm] Align as much as possible, but also qualify when a limitation applies "only= " to the traceroute-type methods (where less info is typically revealed). * Updating RFC 5388 (section 3.6): IMHO it would be good to at least get al= l the requirements for the update spelled out here. Doing the update in an = appendix would for sure be a plus but it would even be better if we had an = update data model as an IETF YANG model, hence punting the work to a new I-= D and just defining the requirements in the current doc is a good solution = IMHO. [acm] Ok, this is a good collection exercise from the two types of methods, activ= e and hybrid. We go beyond the info that 5388 anticipated collecting, which= is a good thing. We definitely punt the YANG model work. Editorial notes: [acm] Thanks for all these catches! General: consistent spelling for "Hop" (vs "hop"). TTL & HopLimit: In most of the places, TTL & HopLimit are mentioned on par,= but there are a few areas where I found it missing. See lines 155, 642, 64= 5, 1035, line 173: s/This a reality/Parallel paths are a reality/ 288: Define Hop first before you set requirements for "hop". 319: Make MP(address) a dedicated definition, e.g. "MP(address) =3D Measure= ment Point at address". What does MP actually mean for a host: Arrival on t= he NIC, arrival at the host stack, arrival at the softswitch, ..? 422: "turs" - not sure what this word means 489: s/In/in/ 576: s/FlowLable/FlowLabel/ 588: "no options": This reads v4 specific. Luckily the earlier sentence abo= ut bytes 20-23 applies to v4 and v6. 623: s/fields of TCP header/fields of the TCP header/ 625: s/for UDP case/for the UDP case/ 655: choose either "sequence number" or "Sequence Number" 718: Routing class identification: This seems to mostly assume ECMP based o= n hashing some fields from the packet. Add a discussion about size dependen= t scheduling methods / flowlet switching? 778: s/anomolous/anomalous/ 779: s/dely/delay/ 790: s/mesurement/measurement/ 791: s/anomolous/anomalous/ 816: s/source/encapsulating node/ 820: It might be worthwhile to mention that interface identification isn't = necessarily limited to IP, i.e. different links in a bundle (LACP) could be= identified. Equally well, links without explicit IP addresses can be ident= ified (like with unnumbered interfaces in an IGP deployment). 933: s/develop accurate/develop an accurate/ 1019: s/procedure allow us/procedure allows us/ 1161: RFC 8403 is published by now Cheers, Frank --_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6BFD9njmtexg5researc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Frank, Footer, and all IPPM’ers,

 

Happy draft deadline day! I’ll keep this short.

 

The AURA draft team has worked through your comments and questi= ons,

some of which we’ve already discussed on the list and at = IETF-105,

and proposed solutions in the text.

 

With these comment resolutions and two updates

since IETF-105, the authors believe this draft

is a candidate for WGLC.

 

The updated draft is here:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-route-06=

 

Thanks again, and regards,

Al (for the AURA co-authors)

 

 

From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: 'Frank Brockners (fbrockne)' <fbrockne@cisco.com>; ippm@ie= tf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-route@ietf.org
Subject: RE: a few notes on draft-ietf-ippm-route-04

 

Hi Frank,  Thanks (again) for your comments!

 

We’ve had a hallway conversation on your key points.=

I’m putting some of what we talked about on the list,

for more feedback possibilities, in addition to the

IPPM Session on Wednesday.

 

please see in-line,

Al

 

 

From: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) [mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:44 PM
To: ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-route@ietf.org
Subject: a few notes on draft-ietf-ippm-route-04

 

Just gave draft-ietf-ippm-route-04 a quick read through, as promised during= the last IPPM meeting in Prague.

A few general notes:

* Nomenclature: While I understand the objective to extend/update RFC 2330,= IMHO we need to adjust some of the terminology in the document to the curr= ent use from what was defined back in the 90s. The most problematic IMHO is= the term “host”.   RFC 2330 defines a “host” as “A computer capable of communicating using t= he Internet protocols; includes "routers"”. But if you cons= ider a more recent document like RFC 8200, there it is stated that a “= ;host” is “any node that is not a router.” To grow the co= nfusion, there are sentences like (see lines 179-181) “May contain hosts that do no= t decrement TTL or Hop Limit, but may have two or more exchange links conne= cting "discoverable" hosts or routers” which mix “hos= t” and “host or router”, despite the fact that host would= have been sufficient in this sentence.
One potential resolution could be to evolve to using “nodes” as= the superset of end-systems (now typically “hosts”) and router= s.
And further on this topic: draft-ietf-ippm-route should apply to all types = of nodes, including nodes which run in a VM or as a container. Thus the old= definition that a host is “a computer” would need to be made m= ore generic in any case. The same applies to the term link which should include virtual links and virtual interfaces (l= ike a vhost interface), ip links to connect namespaces etc.

[acm]=

I brought u= p yet-another-definition when we talked:  Vint Cerf used to joke durin= g his talks (IIRC), A router is a PC with a Graduate student wrapped around= it. This supports the RFC2330 host definition, but I also remember cringing a bit when I re-read: “host: A computer...&= #8221; which was fine when RFC2330 was written, 20 years of development mea= ns there are many different types of hosts (baremetal hosts, guest hosts, e= tc.) and clarification is needed.

Some Option= s for new path terminology:

A. Retain h= ost, add new Node term and definition:

- RFC 2330 = host: a computer capable of IP communication, includes routers

- Node: Any= network function on the path capable of IP-layer Communication, includes R= FC 2330 hosts

B. Revise h= ost (use the word node in a general way):

- host: a n= ode on the path possessing a coherent compute environment and capable of IP= -layer Communication, includes RFC 2330 hosts

C.

 - ? =

* Alignment of traceroute-style methods with hybrid methods in the discussi= on section (3.5). Suggest to harmonize section 3.5 with section 4.2; E.g. s= tatements like "If a discovered host always replies using the same net= work address, regardless of the interface a packet arrives on, then multiple parallel links cannot be detected in th= at network domain." apply well to traceroute-style methods, but might = not be true for hybrid methods like IOAM. Similar considerations apply to t= he next bullet point.

[acm]=

Align as mu= ch as possible, but also qualify when a limitation applies “only̶= 1; to the traceroute-type methods (where less info is typically revealed).<= o:p>

* Updating RFC 5388 (section 3.6): IMHO it would be good to at least get al= l the requirements for the update spelled out here. Doing the update in an = appendix would for sure be a plus but it would even be better if we had an = update data model as an IETF YANG model, hence punting the work to a new I-D and just defining the requireme= nts in the current doc is a good solution IMHO.

[acm]=

Ok, this is= a good collection exercise from the two types of methods, active and hybri= d. We go beyond the info that 5388 anticipated collecting, which is a good = thing. We definitely punt the YANG model work.

Editorial notes:

[acm]=

Thanks for = all these catches!

General: consistent spelling for “Hop” (vs “hop”).<= o:p>

TTL & HopLimit: In most of the places, TTL & HopLimit are mentioned= on par, but there are a few areas where I found it missing. See lines 155,= 642, 645, 1035,

line 173: s/This a reality/Parallel paths are a reality/

288: Define Hop first before you set requirements for "hop".=

319: Make MP(address) a dedicated definition, e.g. "MP(address) =3D Me= asurement Point at address". What does MP actually mean for a host: Ar= rival on the NIC, arrival at the host stack, arrival at the softswitch, ..?=

422: "turs" - not sure what this word means

489: s/In/in/

576: s/FlowLable/FlowLabel/

588: "no options": This reads v4 specific. Luckily the earlier se= ntence about bytes 20-23 applies to v4 and v6.

623: s/fields of TCP header/fields of the TCP header/

625: s/for UDP case/for the UDP case/

655: choose either "sequence number" or "Sequence Number&quo= t;

718: Routing class identification: This seems to mostly assume ECMP based o= n hashing some fields from the packet. Add a discussion about size dependen= t scheduling methods / flowlet switching?

778: s/anomolous/anomalous/

779: s/dely/delay/

790: s/mesurement/measurement/

791: s/anomolous/anomalous/

816: s/source/encapsulating node/

820: It might be worthwhile to mention that interface identification isn't = necessarily limited to IP, i.e. different links in a bundle (LACP) could be= identified. Equally well, links without explicit IP addresses can be ident= ified (like with unnumbered interfaces in an IGP deployment).

933: s/develop accurate/develop an accurate/

1019: s/procedure allow us/procedure allows us/

1161: RFC 8403 is published by now

Cheers, Frank

 

 

 

 

--_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6BFD9njmtexg5researc_-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 11:59:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73296120052 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:59:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i5V66jFdVhjX for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch (smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch [128.65.195.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67B65120048 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp7.infomaniak.ch (smtp7.infomaniak.ch [83.166.132.30]) by smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id xA4JxWNH043255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:59:32 +0100 Received: from [10.11.33.88] (dynamic-145-014-214-039.glattnet.ch [145.14.214.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp7.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xA4JxVHP170892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:59:32 +0100 From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <4470E86F-4128-496B-840F-FEBD727DE00E@trammell.ch> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:59:31 +0100 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Draft IPPM agenda at IETF posted X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:59:37 -0000 Greetings, all, A draft agenda for IPPM at IETF 106 has been posted at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-106-ippm-00.md and appears inline below. Note that while we have received two requests = for presentations that would be eligible as lightning talks, we have *no = free time* for lightning talks this time around: we are keeping a = lightning talk queue only in case time allows at the meeting. Cheers, Brian (as wg co-chair) ## Working Group Documents | Time | Length | What | Who = | = |---------|--------|----------------------------------------|-------------= --| | 10:00 | 10m | Welcome, Note Well, Agenda, Status | Chairs = | | 10:10 | 20m | [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-yang][7] | G. Mirsky = | | | | [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-option-tlv][8] | = | | 10:30 | 15m | [draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry][1] | A. Morton = | | | | [draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry][2] | = | | 10:45 | 10m | [draft-ietf-ippm-route][3] | A. Morton = | | 10:55 | 30m | [draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data][4] | F. = Brockners | | | | [draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-flags][5] | = | | | | [draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options][6] | = | ## Other work Individual drafts and topics that have received notable list discussion. | Time | Length | What | Who = | = |---------|--------|---------------------------------------------|--------= -------| | 11:25 | 15m | [draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export][9] | T. = Mizrahi | | 11:40 | 10m | [draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method][10] | A. = Morton | | 11:50 | 10m | [draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step][11] | G. = Mirsky | | | | [draft-song-multicast-telemetry][12] | = | ## Lightning Talks Lightning talk slots are available to introduce or present updates on = work that has not had significant discussion on the mailing lists. *Each talk is = limited=20 to 5 minutes or less.*=20 *There is no scheduled time for lightning talks at this meeting* because = the agenda is full. This queue is maintained for lightning talk requests = that will be presented if time allows. - draft-dang-ippm-multiple-path-measurement (J. Dang) - draft-song-ippm-postcard-based-telemetry + = draft-song-ippm-draft-song-6man-srv6-pbt (H. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Pull request #137 submitted for DEX draft (draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-= export-00), further comments are welcome - to this PR and to the draft in g= eneral. 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Hi,

 

Pull request #137 submitted for DEX draft (draft-ioa= mteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00), further comments are welcome – to = this PR and to the draft in general.

The PR incorporates some updates that were discussed= in the last design team virtual meeting.

 

Thanks,

Barak

 

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<4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:39:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 02:39:35 -0000 If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor. That sort of publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream. Yours, Joel On 11/4/2019 9:34 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM Peter Gutmann > wrote: > > I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly what's > promised in the title.  OTOH I can also see that it's going to get > bikeshedded > to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where > people won't > complain about it no matter how many changes are made. > Alternatively, it'll > end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more > but it won't > say anything terribly useful by then. > > Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it > represents the > opinions of the authors?  Although given that it's Informational and not > Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway. > > > Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a > statement that they have IETF Consensus. > > See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#section-3.2.1 > > > -Ekr > > > Peter. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > From nobody Mon Nov 4 18:48:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20A812004D; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:48:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id juEw0VAwdU6y; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84D0112006B; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:48:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MI9VPaT4MWXUkvZ3EDHHG7c+aFzawpuCBeYNDUjeBPM=; b=S99XQZIcmaScOKcfk6ijkkKHA mEQumxwXHoDAp6H0f4AYW2QRSB5VfmOr8SciQDbMAFR1angMb16MPgJ84ncLJz9pgrwfzNVwJxv6U n6JASNY8QoXSJsQpz4pFnBST1pq1qYXcprmUUqjiNEuCBFg0Bx6UgIoB+abfuzCHYgvfcKZkwyGdx ZC8RjQgezhg2YcHFBuwuPTSIM3vXWxPogrOfCbGwDPnSh9yYRQl1iqGpXh5WsqnJ/gkD9Q9y0qyv8 e4zBd4oYdZBn1Xz8LpPSUp45vc2TYF8C4JMsIkHcr8sQZSR2x6Wzs3v8+xx0BW4o+LtfCMGkcsW49 ghxULFubg==; Received: from cpe-172-250-225-198.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.225.198]:59561 helo=[192.168.1.10]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iRot8-0021UN-2s; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:48:14 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Joe Touch In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:48:09 -0800 Cc: Peter Gutmann , "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" , tsvwg-chairs , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "quic@ietf.org" , "saag@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7E9CB639-6CAD-4152-8927-86EC44DF5B9A@strayalpha.com> References: <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz> To: "Joel M. Halpern" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [tsvwg] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 02:48:17 -0000 > On Nov 4, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Joel M. Halpern = wrote: >=20 > If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other = RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor. That sort of = publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream. That only happens if the WG and IESG say this is out of scope for the = IETF. I.e., the ISE isn=E2=80=99t an end-run. IMO, given the fact that this is squarely within TSVWG and there=E2=80=99s= no consensus, the way forward is clear. Not every ID turns into an RFC, nor should it. Joe= From nobody Mon Nov 4 20:06:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10BD12003F; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u73f2vGFNedt; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 108F312002F; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476bgr00GWz1x0MG; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:06:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1572926776; bh=Lje+uXNlnXInbUhNE/+tD+X7+7fIBoMR2+dA7T66uSs=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZlGlZ52OVBWzkCIcwIXUT0dpICycA6pyVwaS049+drHqSnjzQOLZJKR5/XTZ0lh/A 4cVUVFUvlTCSUIphb0dk2GppRuYYhKnVrzg3L7Gzw8m9P44CUGnqalaVSKbLHUDCy5 shen4pDYRJFAeODXp9TEO+xPUsRxHx9ubDihmVFI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 476bgp1XHfz1x0M3; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:06:14 -0800 (PST) To: Joe Touch Cc: Peter Gutmann , "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" , tsvwg-chairs , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "quic@ietf.org" , "saag@ietf.org" References: <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <7E9CB639-6CAD-4152-8927-86EC44DF5B9A@strayalpha.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 23:06:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7E9CB639-6CAD-4152-8927-86EC44DF5B9A@strayalpha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [tsvwg] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 04:06:18 -0000 Actually Joe, the rules clearly allow the case wehre an Independent Stream I-D disagrees with the IETF rough consensus. Many such have been published. Some of them were held so that they were not published until the relevant IETF work was published. To be explicit, while the IESG can request that the ISE not publish something, and can provide a note they wish to have included if it is published, they do not have the power to enforce a do-not-publish if the ISE disagrees. And Joe, you have lived aspects of this more closely than I have, so I am sure you are aware of it. Yours, Joel On 11/4/2019 9:48 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > > >> On Nov 4, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >> >> If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor. That sort of publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream. > > That only happens if the WG and IESG say this is out of scope for the IETF. I.e., the ISE isn’t an end-run. > > IMO, given the fact that this is squarely within TSVWG and there’s no consensus, the way forward is clear. > > Not every ID turns into an RFC, nor should it. > > Joe > From nobody Mon Nov 4 21:52:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A16612000F; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=auckland.ac.nz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pzfhV7cqoDPA; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx4-int.auckland.ac.nz (mx4-int.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 824ED120033; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:44:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=mail; t=1572918253; x=1604454253; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=v06AubMYBI63No/+e/4pe+PhkbntGMz4rHlASP9wNeM=; b=2xabdLa9qfvut/zf7AT+nTf5CUMW7z9HbSQcMt1v8Vmh8U+koBo6y5+Q 88WSVWiMMMnynXWG20k7DWfQWMmnA7IjW3hR1b6XYoThAYKYgVPDlY0zN m/XRjbrFC68I72d0Dzo6JgVrwgtnfNufGOFEL673h63Vo5Rugs8wfUds8 vmqXcFPvCwIfrsuu0GG4b51e5WKjKSqf4NqDayn5VYQct1qzDnSvxmIUU CAoEdgXD11i0Vj/BlhvU1GyECBUcSrZXbVv2aJSMbYUBUZkVwnbNs/pt1 SiZA3R5XWSTObpHhgGHw2SWi7a9o0SPGfyCVh+MTufz36VxuC9JVWV4VR g==; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.68,269,1569240000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="98116100" X-Ironport-HAT: MAIL-SERVERS - $RELAYED X-Ironport-Source: 10.6.2.2 - Outgoing - Outgoing Received: from smtp.uoa.auckland.ac.nz (HELO uxcn13-ogg-a.UoA.auckland.ac.nz) ([10.6.2.2]) by mx4-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 05 Nov 2019 14:44:07 +1300 Received: from uxcn13-ogg-d.UoA.auckland.ac.nz (10.6.2.5) by uxcn13-ogg-a.UoA.auckland.ac.nz (10.6.2.2) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:44:06 +1300 Received: from uxcn13-ogg-d.UoA.auckland.ac.nz ([10.6.2.5]) by uxcn13-ogg-d.UoA.auckland.ac.nz ([10.6.2.5]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:44:06 +1300 From: Peter Gutmann To: "emile.stephan@orange.com" , "Gorry Fairhurst (gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk)" , tsvwg-chairs , "Black, David" CC: "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" , "etosat@ietf.org" , "saag@ietf.org" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "quic@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 Thread-Index: AdV+HJIZhebOrRcXTIK6bGArgFWweQEbzmAgAfqMkPACQR0OKQ== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 01:44:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz> References: , <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: en-NZ, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-NZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [130.216.158.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_157291824742010381csaucklandacnz_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:52:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [ippm] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 01:44:15 -0000 --_000_157291824742010381csaucklandacnz_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly what's promised in the title. OTOH I can also see that it's going to get bikeshed= ded to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where people won'= t complain about it no matter how many changes are made. Alternatively, it'l= l end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more but it wo= n't say anything terribly useful by then. Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it represents the opinions of the authors? Although given that it's Informational and not Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway. Peter. --_000_157291824742010381csaucklandacnz_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly what= 's
promised in the title.  OTOH I can also see that it's going to ge= t bikeshedded
to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where people= won't
complain about it no matter how many changes are made.  Alternati= vely, it'll
end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more but = it won't
say anything terribly useful by then.

Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it represents = the
opinions of the authors?  Although given that it's Informational = and not
Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway.

Peter.



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OTOH I can also see that it's going to get > bikeshedded > to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where people > won't > complain about it no matter how many changes are made. Alternatively, > it'll > end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more but it > won't > say anything terribly useful by then. > > Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it represents the > opinions of the authors? Although given that it's Informational and not > Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway. > Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a statement that they have IETF Consensus. See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#section-3.2.1 -Ekr > Peter. > > > > --00000000000067e6fa0596904939 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM Peter = Gutmann <pgut001@cs.aucklan= d.ac.nz> wrote:

I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly = what's
promised in the title.=C2=A0 OTOH I can also see that it's going t= o get bikeshedded
to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where people= won't
complain about it no matter how many changes are made.=C2=A0 Alternati= vely, it'll
end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more but = it won't
say anything terribly useful by then.

Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it represents = the
opinions of the authors?=C2=A0 Although given that it's Informatio= nal and not
Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway.

Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even info= rmational ones, bear a statement that they have IETF Consensus.
<= br>

<= /div>
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Peter.



--00000000000067e6fa0596904939-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 21:52:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38162120147; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:40:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=auckland.ac.nz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3USHftv-oT0; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx4-int.auckland.ac.nz (mx4-int.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D1A512006B; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:40:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=mail; t=1572921653; x=1604457653; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=uiXm5m3IwH0Ms7tsP06Xt+EDWbDLmLQ6ZLvD6l1dqqM=; b=MGFOQRqdl9jIuM4XL6LkwwgqdqCanw7imDbPH0CMKfAZ1J0kgAVofwkG vQzBb/UkAPE42i6ucb7w5Dn4qYx6mqKiIf9qDIC2T3HniLIDz9NpnGTY7 /aYY7rVDR4L7TNeGMmLrjvl889CepVEkX036zRVolAkX7fQNGQZtu23xM O38ykVaoSq+T6QMQL5KlMURpaXwWKtnLmFeizAaUp/zCs7+6vL1HXCOoe zu4e5o7xP/ODPC3YbeTLZnjCwX64xouTlxW72NMNd4y0Y/EEoD710+ybv ba0IYFm8ZYT8B8glW3B2gW8e/dAGeXhWFDrMgW3u7J99mohFK0gyyFE1w w==; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.68,269,1569240000"; d="scan'208";a="98130017" X-Ironport-HAT: MAIL-SERVERS - $RELAYED X-Ironport-Source: 10.6.3.3 - Outgoing - Outgoing Received: from smtp.uoa.auckland.ac.nz (HELO uxcn13-tdc-b.UoA.auckland.ac.nz) ([10.6.3.3]) by mx4-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 05 Nov 2019 15:40:49 +1300 Received: from uxcn13-ogg-d.UoA.auckland.ac.nz (10.6.2.5) by uxcn13-tdc-b.UoA.auckland.ac.nz (10.6.3.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:40:48 +1300 Received: from uxcn13-ogg-d.UoA.auckland.ac.nz ([10.6.2.5]) by uxcn13-ogg-d.UoA.auckland.ac.nz ([10.6.2.5]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:40:48 +1300 From: Peter Gutmann To: Eric Rescorla CC: "emile.stephan@orange.com" , "Gorry Fairhurst (gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk)" , tsvwg-chairs , "Black, David" , "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" , "etosat@ietf.org" , "saag@ietf.org" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "quic@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 Thread-Index: AdV+HJIZhebOrRcXTIK6bGArgFWweQEbzmAgAfqMkPACQR0OKf//NGgAgADai0A= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:40:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1572921649364.66797@cs.auckland.ac.nz> References: <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-NZ, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-NZ X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [130.216.158.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:52:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [ippm] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 02:40:59 -0000 Eric Rescorla writes:=0A= =0A= >Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a stateme= nt=0A= >that they have IETF Consensus.=0A= =0A= Ah, OK. In that case publish it with a statement that commentators couldn'= t=0A= agree on what it should say, which I think is better than watering it down = to=0A= a level where commentators can't disagree with what it says. It's an=0A= interesting document which makes good points, and worth putting out there= =0A= while it still has good points to make.=0A= =0A= Peter.=0A= =0A= =0A= = From nobody Tue Nov 5 00:58:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C19120811; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 00:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pv_ZeXP7Rwno; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 00:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.cnes.fr (mx2.cnes.fr [194.199.174.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8010120073; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 00:58:15 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.68,270,1569283200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="30612494" X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2H0AQBeOMFd/wIBeApmGwEBAQEBAQEFAQEBEQEBAwMBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QGBfYEcgQRZE3USNKhciAsJAQEBAQEBAQEBLQcBAgEBhEAChA8kOBMCDgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QQBAQEBAQUCAQECAmmEa0wMhikBMEwSAQUQFVYmAQQBDQ0TgwiBeX4PsH8ag?= =?us-ascii?q?3IBASsBhgwGgTaBZYoRgjSBEUaBTlCBcIFeAgIBF4ExGINAgiwEjQSIM5g9B?= =?us-ascii?q?4E4b4I0hF6FVIhtdYFHh1qEHgOLMI5DiC6TOyMqgS4zGieDOU8RjCGFCAE2R?= =?us-ascii?q?IFQCIw3AYENAQE?= X-URL-LookUp-ScanningError: 1 From: Kuhn Nicolas To: "etosat@ietf.org" , IETF QUIC WG , "iccrg@irtf.org" , "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "nwcrg@irtf.org" , "'ippm@ietf.org'" CC: "'gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk'" , Kuhn Nicolas , STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN Thread-Topic: [IETF106] Proposed workshop on QUIC performance over high BDP Thread-Index: AdWTswmtyrTk4rMVQHq6iFdj1DlU3g== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:57:10 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:58:10 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.4255-8.100.1062-25022.005 x-tm-as-result: No--17.598900-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F3B0A07CFD358240926B78A680E166FF1ECE4F1FTWMBXP03cnesnet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] [IETF106] Proposed workshop on QUIC performance over high BDP X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:58:19 -0000 --_000_F3B0A07CFD358240926B78A680E166FF1ECE4F1FTWMBXP03cnesnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, There are multiple drafts related to the performance of QUIC over large BDP= networks (draft-kuhn-quic-4-sat, draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp, draft-ietf-quic= -recovery) or related to the performance of encrypted protocols in general = (draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-cc). The objective of this workshop is to gather people interested in such activ= ity and discuss the best way towards better end user experience in this use= case. Details : https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/106sidemeetings Time : 3pm30 - 4pm30 on Wednesday Where : Bras Basah https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/floor-plan?room= =3Dbras-basah#raffles-city-convention-center Proposed agenda: Introduction : contributions that showed performance issues with QUIC over = satellite links draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp : solution to let both client and server know the = path characteristics draft-kuhn-quic-4-sat : what can be done once both client and server have t= his information draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-cc : generalization to any transport and best current= practice on internet congestion control at end points If time permits: sharing experimental results (interaction between transpor= t and high BDP systems) If there is anything you would like to present please let us know. Kind regards, Nico, Gorry and Emile --_000_F3B0A07CFD358240926B78A680E166FF1ECE4F1FTWMBXP03cnesnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

There are multiple drafts relat= ed to the performance of QUIC over large BDP networks (draft-kuhn-quic-4-sa= t, draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp, draft-ietf-quic-recovery) or related to the pe= rformance of encrypted protocols in general (draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-cc).

The objective of this workshop = is to gather people interested in such activity and discuss the best way to= wards better end user experience in this use case.

 

Details : https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/106sidemeetings

Time : 3pm30 – 4pm30 on W= ednesday

Where : Bras Basah https://datatracker.i= etf.org/meeting/106/floor-plan?room=3Dbras-basah#raffles-city-convention-ce= nter

 

Proposed agenda: 

In= troduction : contributions that showed performance issues with QUIC over sa= tellite links

dr= aft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp : solution to let both client and server know the pa= th characteristics

dr= aft-kuhn-quic-4-sat : what can be done once both client and server have thi= s information

dr= aft-fairhurst-tsvwg-cc : generalization to any transport and best current p= ractice on internet congestion control at end points

If time permits: sharing experi= mental results (interaction between transport and high BDP systems)

 

If there is anything you would = like to present please let us know.


Kind regards,

 

Nico, Gorry and Emile

--_000_F3B0A07CFD358240926B78A680E166FF1ECE4F1FTWMBXP03cnesnet_-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 01:38:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F1B120863; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 01:38:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4atOR24TqXV; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 01:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-out1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mail-out1.in.tum.de [131.159.0.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7631201E5; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 01:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.in.tum.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id B695D1C0405; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:38:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (Authenticated sender: ott) by mail.in.tum.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41EF61C0403; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:38:08 +0100 (CET) (Extended-Queue-bit tech_mewyo@fff.in.tum.de) To: Kuhn Nicolas , "etosat@ietf.org" , IETF QUIC WG , "iccrg@irtf.org" , "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "nwcrg@irtf.org" , "'ippm@ietf.org'" Cc: "'gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk'" , STEPHAN Emile RD-CORE-LAN References: From: Joerg Ott Message-ID: <314f4a3c-9e56-26b6-fda3-bc2694f75d3e@in.tum.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:38:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [IETF106] Proposed workshop on QUIC performance over high BDP X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:38:17 -0000 Hi guys, great activity -- we also did extensive emulation studies for QUIC over satellites in a controlled environment. Would be happy to share those findings if room. Cheers, Jörg On 05.11.19 09:57, Kuhn Nicolas wrote: > Hi, > > There are multiple drafts related to the performance of QUIC over large > BDP networks (draft-kuhn-quic-4-sat, draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp, > draft-ietf-quic-recovery) or related to the performance of encrypted > protocols in general (draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-cc). > > The objective of this workshop is to gather people interested in such > activity and discuss the best way towards better end user experience in > this use case. > > Details : https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/106sidemeetings > > Time : 3pm30 – 4pm30 on Wednesday > > Where : Bras Basah > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/floor-plan?room=bras-basah#raffles-city-convention-center > > > Proposed agenda: > > Introduction : contributions that showed performance issues with QUIC > over satellite links > > draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp : solution to let both client and server know > the path characteristics > > draft-kuhn-quic-4-sat : what can be done once both client and server > have this information > > draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-cc : generalization to any transport and best > current practice on internet congestion control at end points > > If time permits: sharing experimental results (interaction between > transport and high BDP systems) > > If there is anything you would like to present please let us know. > > > Kind regards, > > Nico, Gorry and Emile > From nobody Tue Nov 5 02:27:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CB01208B1; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:26:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96pqZCMY__5d; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.erg.abdn.ac.uk (pegasus.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:42:150::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B661208AA; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 02:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorry-mac.erg.abdn.ac.uk (unknown [IPv6:2001:630:42:110:e55f:a14f:6fbb:b4cc]) by pegasus.erg.abdn.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF6AB1B001D2; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:26:39 +0000 (GMT) To: "Joel M. Halpern" , Peter Gutmann Cc: "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" , tsvwg-chairs , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "quic@ietf.org" , "saag@ietf.org" References: <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz> From: Gorry Fairhurst Message-ID: <5df30dd2-6841-7140-43bf-8c1b9603653f@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:26:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 10:26:53 -0000 Thanks for the various comments on process. I expect both editors and the Chairs to work with our AD to confirm the intended scope, and then to decide on the next steps. This author wants to clarify how IETF transport protocols have been designed and have been/are being used. Gorry (as one of the editors of this document). On 05/11/2019 02:39, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other > RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor.  That sort of > publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 11/4/2019 9:34 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM Peter Gutmann >> > wrote: >> >>     I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly >> what's >>     promised in the title.  OTOH I can also see that it's going to get >>     bikeshedded >>     to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where >>     people won't >>     complain about it no matter how many changes are made. >> Alternatively, it'll >>     end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more >>     but it won't >>     say anything terribly useful by then. >> >>     Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it >>     represents the >>     opinions of the authors?  Although given that it's Informational >> and not >>     Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway. >> >> >> Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a >> statement that they have IETF Consensus. >> >> See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#section-3.2.1 >> >> >> -Ekr >> >> >>     Peter. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSAWG mailing list >> OPSAWG@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >> From nobody Wed Nov 6 14:10:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753E01200C4; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 14:10:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=mellanox.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EQX9MjOqOzxt; 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I would like to suggest some further discussion on the below topics: 1. The distinction between "Endpoint active measurement" and "IOAM active m= easurement using probe packets", as well as the pointer to trace only. 2. IOAM layering - Although there is a good infrastructure laid out, I thin= k that this topic need more details. Mostly, we need to discuss the definit= ion of a layer, and whether an underlay can use a shim layer and consider o= wnership. For example, which layer an IOAM header belongs to when carried w= ithin Geneve, or over GRE in multiple cases. 3. IOAM trace types - I would like to suggest to consider the description o= f the distinction between hw and sw implementations, including pointing out= suggested solutions that support both.=20 I would be glad to further collaborate with you to discuss the above Thanks, Barak -----Original Message----- From: ippm On Behalf Of Frank Brockners (fbrockne) Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:23 AM To: opsawg@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-brockners-opsawg-ioa= m-deployment-00.txt Several of you have indicated multiple times that it would really help, if = we had an "IOAM deployment" draft that discusses the various deployment con= siderations for IOAM all in one place - and serves as a single entry point = for IOAM, referencing in the different IOAM related drafts. We finally arrived at creating an initial revision - and we greatly appreci= ate your thoughts and comments how to evolve this further. Thanks much, Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2019 17:17 > To: Daniel Bernier ; Frank Brockners=20 > (fbrockne) ; daniel.bernier@bell.ca=20 > ; Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab)=20 > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-=20 > deployment-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Frank Brockners and posted to the=20 > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment > Revision: 00 > Title: In-situ OAM Deployment > Document date: 2019-10-30 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 22 > URL: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt= ps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Finternet-drafts%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-&am= p;data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d908d75d55847b= %7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C637080494185344466&sdata= =3DGV1T7klrsHwI%2FOqKoXL2Z9lbxruh2dV8EOzEyzHhydA%3D&reserved=3D0 > deployment-00.txt > Status: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt= ps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-&da= ta=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d908d75d55847b%7Ca= 652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C637080494185344466&sdata=3D39= 9M95HkEzGgwWJ%2FHAJyA8Q7kTp0rQ%2FOpzOhXHPrP%2FI%3D&reserved=3D0 > deployment/ > Htmlized: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt= ps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-&data=3D= 02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d908d75d55847b%7Ca65297= 1c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C637080494185344466&sdata=3Dre82N92= s6JusTvrdRY8ZwlDpzrLD5BgJ9YvsbS0%2FhsY%3D&reserved=3D0 > deployment-00 > Htmlized: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt= ps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-&= data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d908d75d55847b%7= Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C637080494185344466&sdata=3D= NEvw5OYddqain1dwWWMYjR3e0T9feR3Sb46Re0UbnkU%3D&reserved=3D0 > ioam-deployment >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > In-situ Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (IOAM) records > operational and telemetry information in the packet while the packet > traverses a path between two points in the network. This document > provides a framework for IOAM deployment and provides best current > practices. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.iet= f.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.iet= f.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fippm&data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.co= m%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d908d75d55847b%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0= %7C0%7C637080494185344466&sdata=3DAoMzW1DY7vsIZ3UNpmptgv8cInxb9ucZRZMAj= aW55uE%3D&reserved=3D0 From nobody Mon Nov 11 09:55:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFBE12011B; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:23:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: "Bill Cerveny" , "Brian Trammell" , "Tommy Pauly" Cc: tatiana.kurakova@itu.int, =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= , Scott Mansfield , Bill Cerveny , IP Performance Measurement Discussion List , Brian Trammell , Magnus Westerlund , itu-t-liaison@iab.org, Tommy Pauly X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157297101773.4600.16181241093164727301.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:23:37 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:55:38 -0800 Subject: [ippm] =?utf-8?q?New_Liaison_Statement=2C_=22LS_on_agreement_of_?= =?utf-8?q?new_Supplement_71_to_ITU-T_Q-series_Recommendations_=E2=80=9CTe?= =?utf-8?q?sting_methodologies_of_Internet_related_performance_measurement?= =?utf-8?q?s_including_e2e_bit_rate_within_the_fixed_and_mobile_operator?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZcyBuZXR3b3Jrc+KAnSI=?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:23:38 -0000 Title: LS on agreement of new Supplement 71 to ITU-T Q-series Recommendations “Testing methodologies of Internet related performance measurements including e2e bit rate within the fixed and mobile operator’s networks†Submission Date: 2019-11-05 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1659/ From: Tatiana Kurakova To: Brian Trammell ,Bill Cerveny ,Tommy Pauly Cc: Scott Mansfield ,Bill Cerveny ,IP Performance Measurement Discussion List ,Mirja Kühlewind ,Brian Trammell ,Magnus Westerlund ,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,Tommy Pauly Response Contacts: tatiana.kurakova@itu.int Technical Contacts: Purpose: For information Body: ITU-T Study Group 11 would like to thank all organizations for the LSs on the issues related to the draft Recommendation ITU-T Q.3961 “Testing methodologies of Internet related performance measurements including e2e bit rate within the fixed and mobile operator's networksâ€, which deals with Internet related performance measurements. Taking this opportunity, ITU-T SG11 would like to inform you that, at its latest meeting (Geneva, 16-25 October 2019), ITU-T SG11 converted the ongoing draft Recommendation ITU-T Q.3961 to non-normative Supplement 71 to ITU-T Q-series of Recommendations “Testing methodologies of Internet related performance measurements including e2e bit rate within the fixed and mobile operator’s networksâ€, which was finally agreed at this meeting. This decision was taken according to the received Contribution and outcomes of Q9/11 discussions. ITU-T SG11 would like to continue collaborating on the future related subjects with all interested stakeholders and SDOs. In this regard, we would be pleased to arrange an open discussion of the future activities and work items at the following next SG11 meetings, including interim rapporteur meetings Attachments: sp16-sg11-oLS-00110 https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2019-11-05-itu-t-sg-11-ippm-ls-on-agreement-of-new-supplement-71-to-itu-t-q-series-recommendations-testing-methodologies-of-internet-related-p-attachment-1.docx From nobody Tue Nov 12 22:57:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEC812085B; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 22:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YfjbPRVtyIKg; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 22:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1FCC1200CD; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 22:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id EA0231EA827ABFCC3677; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 06:56:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 06:56:55 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 14:56:45 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "draft-ietf-ippm-stamp.authors@ietf.org" CC: "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: stamp session id Thread-Index: AdWZ7wpG5e2GoUb6THad4fshKdUfHg== Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 06:56:45 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] stamp session id X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 06:56:59 -0000 Hi Authors, I am looking at the stamp yang. And I see we need to configure the "session= -id". But I did not see the session id in the STAMP data plane packet(draft-ietf-= ippm-stamp). How to align the sender and reflector? Or did I miss something? Thanks, Tianran From nobody Wed Nov 13 02:37:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27AA1200A4; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id axYVgvGpBOfj; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D52E6120072; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 742C13EF5314A3FC04A1; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:37:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml716-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.12) by LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:37:42 +0000 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.33) by fraeml716-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:37:42 +0100 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) by fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:37:42 +0100 From: Giuseppe Fioccola To: IETF IPPM WG CC: "draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [ippm] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHVmg5giz+XlKywXkmXTb5wEVmmjg== Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:37:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <157286107175.16644.16466200709035341712@ietfa.amsl.com> <49ebc09d8ef34e4badc0b083ac7a6dd9@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <49ebc09d8ef34e4badc0b083ac7a6dd9@huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.204.62.186] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:37:50 -0000 Dear All, With regard to the paper mentioned in the last revision of the draft and ac= cepted by the IEEE/ACM ToN, we have posted our own final version, so you ca= n have a look at it without waiting for the final published version. You can download it from the following link: https://iris.polito.it/retrieve/handle/11583/2765734/285822/FINAL%20VERSION= .PDF This paper complements draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark with the mathema= tical formulation of the algorithm for Network Cluster partition. Best Regards, Giuseppe -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giuseppe Fioccola Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 11:17 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt Dear All, This new revision aims to address the comments we received from Jos=E9 Igna= cio Alvarez-Hamelin during the last IETF meeting in Montreal and the commen= ts from Sudhin Jacob on the mailing list. In particular we have added the reference to the paper "Multipoint Passive = Monitoring in Packet Networks" that has been accepted by the IEEE/ACM Trans= actions on Networking journal and it includes the complete and mathematical= analysis of the Algorithms for Cluster partition. Feedback and comments are always welcome, Look forward to seeing you in Singapore. Best Regards, Giuseppe -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= ..org Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 10:51 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Multipoint Alternate Marking method for passive a= nd hybrid performance monitoring Authors : Giuseppe Fioccola Mauro Cociglio Amedeo Sapio Riccardo Sisto Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: The Alternate Marking method, as presented in RFC 8321 [RFC8321], can be applied only to point-to-point flows because it assumes that all the packets of the flow measured on one node are measured again by a single second node. This document aims to generalize and expand this methodology to measure any kind of unicast flows, whose packets can follow several different paths in the network, in wider terms a multipoint-to-multipoint network. For this reason the technique here described is called Multipoint Alternate Marking. Some definitions here introduced extend the scope of RFC 5644 [RFC5644] in the context of alternate marking schema. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-0= 3 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Wed Nov 13 09:19:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9965712089F; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:19:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org, Tal Mizrahi , tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com, ietf@kuehlewind.net, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, draft-ietf-ippm-stamp@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <157366557062.1036.1161071085074872522.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:19:30 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Protocol Action: 'Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-10.txt) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:19:31 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol' (draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the IP Performance Measurement Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Mirja Kühlewind and Magnus Westerlund. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp/ Technical Summary This document describes a Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol which enables the measurement of both one-way and round-trip performance metrics like delay, delay variation, and packet loss. Working Group Summary The draft was first submitted in October 2017, has been reviewed by a fair number of people in the IPPM working group, has had a fair number of supporters, and no objections from the working group. The IPPM working group is also working on a companion draft, draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-yang, which defines a YANG data model for STAMP. This companion draft will be sent to the IESG for publication in the future. Document Quality The current version of the draft is clear, seems to have resolved all the issues, and has the consensus of the working group. One of the main issues that was discussed in the context of this draft is the security considerations. Two main questions were raised: one regarding the size of the integrity protection HMAC, and the other regarding whether encryption is required for STAMP or not. Arguments were made both ways. After IETF 103 the authors proposed the solution that is in the current draft with no objections from the working group: regarding the first issue, the HMAC is based on a SHA-256 truncated to 128 bits, and regarding the second issue, the draft does not define an encryption mechanism, but states that encryption may be provided at higher layers. Personnel The document shepherd is Tal Mizrahi, and the responsible area director is Mirja Kühlewind. From nobody Sat Nov 16 03:56:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B21D120106; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uUwdRc5zGTh6; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89B8012009E; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id l7so13792042wrp.6; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:56:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GdufOAhvD6tf9dTpq4jgyy1DPi6VIknMQl8bSrnBim0=; b=P1p+dgNwniFcMpMrAtcNxzOYMxbn9qk8pIw+beRsViVkr62sOHqDO2EIkbWn9bL8Bj V0UITqUn+Lq5LzqQ4F1e78L5i120IGJ0g/f7pug0F6PROnHmvu+T2WLFg8tONmOZAQ0g DEeujZYi2UdpMmPtvfMBcvvjA9dBMGVEtsh6LbkYVKpF4Y9k6GfrDAbTnKQjyRW0G6ZP RG4xme7BVfFtqn2SVUyYGjTH5n/ud7v0o12baId1teKM0DWY+5vuU2b/Lf13U4Kc8pcv 5i+NluWlJWKV0lKVw+p+JnloaUvSnukJkNclsBRuBRSdVxG3kgdx3/PHTwLPimFZR9KT CQkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GdufOAhvD6tf9dTpq4jgyy1DPi6VIknMQl8bSrnBim0=; b=IrOYbc03uYNf/Hsy34GFAaLZqeURmNc1Up+jspPDO7J3jGQXo85ATQwHIvuOPbogRy n2Y8mNbqGN0GD2xAMBT/bqAqzqgMsAfRZas4qYGLDyvUzycN/Ikp5aa3ZL3aMiXHiaE4 x/45Yrps7UIfXV5WMlBzRij8HMMTQ2Pt+KLaLwye5BYqJqfPsjSLV9gTg9sWokKeLVC6 N3in+IaIbwLXT0qRyL4EFMF6R16REdAnUIdydJIbe/Q68MJ1FhMFYOnTqnjvTDt2iSM9 Y9Et3gejBkDyr9AAI9/hWR/eQpC6tj4cWNfaVZy6kVKT8la/CWHt8PLShdQ+7JQoLl78 y/TQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXjRNH0X3ra+EgpGTJ8/wwMdsn6ylp8LKhD6tWbBHLOxp7DCPRT XLdc70hgzizH+I8X+KCjoN1hDyKnmUwVh+BA0Ioordz84PU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx96MKSG6iaWTl8Z+rK9akCQ3M2LY+yPHHikPh6P5EmFKenu824Pj4UWQM7v0HtqsjGo5KeCDjrjsLb8NCFyYU= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:678c:: with SMTP id v12mr5186087wru.116.1573905383865; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:56:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tal Mizrahi Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:56:11 +0200 Message-ID: To: IETF IPPM WG , ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000050c34f05977567e9" Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:56:27 -0000 --00000000000050c34f05977567e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in the Orchard room. 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November 2019 23:09 > To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) ; opsawg@ietf.org; > ippm@ietf.org > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam- > deployment-00.txt >=20 > Dear authors, > Thanks for this contribution, it is highly appreciated! >=20 > I would like to suggest some further discussion on the below topics: > 1. The distinction between "Endpoint active measurement" and "IOAM active > measurement using probe packets", as well as the pointer to trace only. ...FB: Good topic to expand in the next rev. Interested in scribbling a sho= rt paragraph that we could add? > 2. IOAM layering - Although there is a good infrastructure laid out, I th= ink that > this topic need more details. Mostly, we need to discuss the definition o= f a layer, > and whether an underlay can use a shim layer and consider ownership. For > example, which layer an IOAM header belongs to when carried within Geneve= , > or over GRE in multiple cases. ...FB: We can of course expand the section on layering as well - and your h= elp would be appreciated. Given that this is a deployment draft, we'd want = to focus on the implications/considerations that carrying IOAM in one or an= other layer would have.=20 > 3. IOAM trace types - I would like to suggest to consider the description= of the > distinction between hw and sw implementations, including pointing out > suggested solutions that support both. ...FB: HW/SW implementation and that fact that both Trace-Option-Types can = be present in a packet is already stated in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-00#secti= on-7.3 Could you detail what additional explanation would be required? >=20 > I would be glad to further collaborate with you to discuss the above ...FB: That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Frank >=20 > Thanks, > Barak >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm On Behalf Of Frank Brockners (fbrockne= ) > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:23 AM > To: opsawg@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] FW: New Version Notification for draft-brockners-opsawg-i= oam- > deployment-00.txt >=20 >=20 > Several of you have indicated multiple times that it would really help, i= f we had > an "IOAM deployment" draft that discusses the various deployment > considerations for IOAM all in one place - and serves as a single entry p= oint for > IOAM, referencing in the different IOAM related drafts. >=20 > We finally arrived at creating an initial revision - and we greatly appre= ciate your > thoughts and comments how to evolve this further. >=20 > Thanks much, Frank >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Oktober 2019 17:17 > > To: Daniel Bernier ; Frank Brockners > > (fbrockne) ; daniel.bernier@bell.ca > > ; Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab) > > > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam- > > deployment-00.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-00.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Frank Brockners and posted to the > > IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment > > Revision: 00 > > Title: In-situ OAM Deployment > > Document date: 2019-10-30 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 22 > > URL: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf > .org%2Finternet-drafts%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-ioam- > &data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d9 > 08d75d55847b%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C63708 > 0494185344466&sdata=3DGV1T7klrsHwI%2FOqKoXL2Z9lbxruh2dV8EOzEyzHh > ydA%3D&reserved=3D0 > > deployment-00.txt > > Status: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat= rac > ker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-ioam- > &data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d9 > 08d75d55847b%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C63708 > 0494185344466&sdata=3D399M95HkEzGgwWJ%2FHAJyA8Q7kTp0rQ%2FOpz > OhXHPrP%2FI%3D&reserved=3D0 > > deployment/ > > Htmlized: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools= .ietf > .org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg-ioam- > &data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d9 > 08d75d55847b%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C63708 > 0494185344466&sdata=3Dre82N92s6JusTvrdRY8ZwlDpzrLD5BgJ9YvsbS0%2Fh > sY%3D&reserved=3D0 > > deployment-00 > > Htmlized: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat= rac > ker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-brockners-opsawg- > &data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%7C9c5935d1525d448a68d9 > 08d75d55847b%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7C0%7C63708 > 0494185344466&sdata=3DNEvw5OYddqain1dwWWMYjR3e0T9feR3Sb46Re0 > UbnkU%3D&reserved=3D0 > > ioam-deployment > > > > > > Abstract: > > In-situ Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (IOAM) records > > operational and telemetry information in the packet while the packet > > traverses a path between two points in the network. 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I will be there. Regards, Greg On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi wrote: > Hi, > > We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in > the Orchard room. > > We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. > > Cheers, > Tal. > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --000000000000eb1b4305978160cd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tal,
thank you for the heads up. I will be there.

Regards,
Greg

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019= at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi <ta= l.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

We are going= to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0Orcha= rd room.

We are going to discuss various IOAM-rela= ted open issues.

Cheers,
Tal.
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Hi Tianran,
thank you for your question. You're ab= solutely correct. We do intend to include the Session ID in the STAMP packe= t. It will be described in the next update of draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-option-= tlv and will update the YANG model accordingly.

Re= gards,
Greg

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 2:57 PM Tianran Zhou <= ;zhoutianran@huawei.com> w= rote:
Hi Authors= ,

I am looking at the stamp yang. And I see we need to configure the "se= ssion-id".
But I did not see the session id in the STAMP data plane packet(draft-ietf-= ippm-stamp).
How to align the sender and reflector?
Or did I miss something?

Thanks,
Tianran
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resending to the list as I understand that some of the people couldn't rece= ive it for some reason. Thanks, Barak From: Barak Gafni Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 12:24 PM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 - pull request submitted Hi, Pull request #137 submitted for DEX draft (draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-= export-00), further comments are welcome - to this PR and to the draft in g= eneral. The PR incorporates some updates that were discussed in the last design tea= m virtual meeting. Thanks, Barak --_000_AM6PR05MB4118FCBB07B176B1ED414F16B94D0AM6PR05MB4118eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Resending to the list as I understand that some of t= he people couldn’t receive it for some reason.

 

Thanks,

Barak

 

From: Barak Gafni
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 12:24 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 - pull request su= bmitted

 

Hi,

 

Pull request #137 submitted for DEX draft (draft-ioa= mteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00), further comments are welcome – to = this PR and to the draft in general.

The PR incorporates some updates that were discussed= in the last design team virtual meeting.

 

Thanks,

Barak

 

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This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. = Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough = to be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair)= From nobody Sun Nov 17 19:46:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125F2120825; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157404878306.24414.5995903081070604268.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:46:23 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] The IPPM WG has placed draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:46:23 -0000 The IPPM WG has placed draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Brian Trammell) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export/ From nobody Sun Nov 17 19:57:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB91120824 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:57:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YafMjWUVUCri for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch [128.65.195.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D06D81200F1 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-3-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch ([10.4.36.108]) by smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAI3uua7032684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:56:57 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:314a:25ee:cec1:b461] (unknown [IPV6:2001:67c:370:128:314a:25ee:cec1:b461]) by smtp-3-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 69413100E7196 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:56:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:56:54 +0800 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:57:00 -0000 Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt = draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group = document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. = Please send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough = to be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair)= From nobody Sun Nov 17 19:57:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B59120857; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:57:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157404944135.24397.13995907719914353730.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:57:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] The IPPM WG has placed draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:57:21 -0000 The IPPM WG has placed draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Brian Trammell) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method/ From nobody Sun Nov 17 21:18:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFD412085E for ; 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Support adoption as a coauthor. It's a good complement to the ioam data dra= ft and after quite a few design team discussions,  mature enough to be= considered.

Thanks!

Haoyu

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From: ippm <ippm-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:45:52 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-ex= port
 
Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document.

This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating:

- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether you are willing to review the document

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
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Hi,

We are going to hold a follow-up IO= AM side meeting on Tuesday, November 19th, at 13:00.
We will get = together in the registration area at 13:00.
There is currently no= available room, so we will look for an available space, and unfortunately = we may need to settle on putting together a few chairs in the hallway.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:= 56 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizr= ahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

We are going to ho= ld an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0Orchard roo= m.

We are going to discuss various IOAM-related op= en issues.

Cheers,
Tal.

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I have planned for 13:30 session already. Regards, Greg On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi wrote: > Hi, > > We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November > 19th, at 13:00. > We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. > There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available > space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few > chairs in the hallway. > > Cheers, > Tal. > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in >> the Orchard room. >> >> We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. >> >> Cheers, >> Tal. >> >> _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --000000000000dfbff40597994e04 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tal,
is there a chance to use the slot in the morni= ng? I have planned for 13:30 session already.

Rega= rds,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Hi,

We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side= meeting on Tuesday, November 19th, at 13:00.
We will get togethe= r in the registration area at 13:00.
There is currently no availa= ble room, so we will look for an available space, and unfortunately we may = need to settle on putting together a few chairs in the hallway.
<= br>
Cheers,
Tal.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM T= al Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

We are = going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0= Orchard room.

We are going to discuss various IOAM= -related open issues.

Cheers,
Tal.
=

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Regards, Ruediger -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: ippm Im Auftrag von Brian Trammell (IETF) Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 04:57 An: IETF IPPM WG Betreff: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-m= etric-method-01 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. 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We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after the meeting. Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Tal, > is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I have planned for 13:30 > session already. > > Regards, > Greg > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November >> 19th, at 13:00. >> We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. >> There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available >> space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few >> chairs in the hallway. >> >> Cheers, >> Tal. >> >> On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in >>> the Orchard room. >>> >>> We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Tal. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >> > --0000000000009c8c0a05979ab995 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg,

Apologies, but Tuesday morning= conflicts with another side meeting=C2=A0that is already scheduled (for Tu= esday morning).
We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after= the meeting.

Cheers,
Tal.
On Mon, = Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tal,
is there a chance t= o use the slot in the morning? I have planned for 13:30 session already.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at= 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November = 19th, at 13:00.
We will get together in the registration area at = 13:00.
There is currently no available room, so we will look for = an available space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting toge= ther a few chairs in the hallway.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

We are going to hold an unofficial si= de meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0Orchard room.

We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues.

Cheers,
Tal.

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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds good. If there are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the registration area. Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) < fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote: > Hey Tal, team, > > > > I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another slot. How about 12:0= 0-13:00 > on Tuesday? > > > > Thanks, Frank > > > > *From:* Ippm-ioam-ix-dt *On Behalf Of = *Tal > Mizrahi > *Sent:* Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28 > *To:* Greg Mirsky > *Cc:* ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG > *Subject:* Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday > > > > Hi Greg, > > > > Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with another side meeting that i= s > already scheduled (for Tuesday morning). > > We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after the meeting. > > > > Cheers, > > Tal. > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky > wrote: > > Hi Tal, > > is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I have planned for 13:3= 0 > session already. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November > 19th, at 13:00. > > We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. > > There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available > space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few > chairs in the hallway. > > > > Cheers, > > Tal. > > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in > the Orchard room. > > > > We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. > > > > Cheers, > > Tal. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > --000000000000d9cc6205979b723a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds good.

If there are no objections= , let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the registration area.
Cheers,
Tal.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Fr= ank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne= @cisco.com> wrote:

Hey Tal, team,

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another= slot. How about 12:00-13:00 on Tuesday?

=C2=A0

Thanks, Frank

=C2=A0

From: Ippm-ioam-ix-dt <ippm-ioam-ix-dt-bounces@= ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tal Mizrahi
Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Cc: ip= pm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday=

=C2=A0

Hi Greg,

=C2=A0

Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with anothe= r side meeting=C2=A0that is already scheduled (for Tuesday morning).=

We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after th= e meeting.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Hi Tal,

is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I = have planned for 13:30 session already.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@= gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting o= n Tuesday, November 19th, at 13:00.

We will get together in the registration area at 13:= 00.

There is currently no available room, so we will loo= k for an available space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on puttin= g together a few chairs in the hallway.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@= gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on M= onday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0Orchard room.

=C2=A0

We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open is= sues.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
ippm@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm

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Thank you for your consideration. Regards, Greg On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tal Mizrahi wrote: > Sounds good. > > If there are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the > registration area. > > Cheers, > Tal. > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) < > fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Hey Tal, team, >> >> >> >> I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another slot. How about 12:= 00-13:00 >> on Tuesday? >> >> >> >> Thanks, Frank >> >> >> >> *From:* Ippm-ioam-ix-dt *On Behalf Of >> *Tal Mizrahi >> *Sent:* Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28 >> *To:* Greg Mirsky >> *Cc:* ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG >> *Subject:* Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday >> >> >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with another side meeting that >> is already scheduled (for Tuesday morning). >> >> We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after the meeting. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tal. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky > > wrote: >> >> Hi Tal, >> >> is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I have planned for >> 13:30 session already. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November >> 19th, at 13:00. >> >> We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. >> >> There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available >> space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few >> chairs in the hallway. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tal. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in >> the Orchard room. >> >> >> >> We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tal. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >> >> --000000000000ac3bd205979b78bd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds good to me. Thank you=C2=A0for your consideration.<= br>

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at= 5:19 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.m= izrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good.

If the= re are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the registratio= n area.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Mon, Nov 18= , 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote:

Hey Tal, team,

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another= slot. How about 12:00-13:00 on Tuesday?

=C2=A0

Thanks, Frank

=C2=A0

From: Ippm-ioam-ix-dt <ippm-ioam-ix-dt-bounces@= ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tal Mizrahi
Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Cc: ip= pm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday=

=C2=A0

Hi Greg,

=C2=A0

Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with anothe= r side meeting=C2=A0that is already scheduled (for Tuesday morning).=

We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after th= e meeting.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Hi Tal,

is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I = have planned for 13:30 session already.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@= gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting o= n Tuesday, November 19th, at 13:00.

We will get together in the registration area at 13:= 00.

There is currently no available room, so we will loo= k for an available space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on puttin= g together a few chairs in the hallway.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@= gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on M= onday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0Orchard room.

=C2=A0

We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open is= sues.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
ippm@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Thanks, Barak ________________________________ From: ippm on behalf of Greg Mirsky Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:21:12 PM To: Tal Mizrahi Cc: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org ; IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday Sounds good to me. Thank you for your consideration. Regards, Greg On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: Sounds good. If there are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the registrat= ion area. Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > wrote: Hey Tal, team, I=92d also appreciate if we could find another slot. How about 12:00-13:00 = on Tuesday? Thanks, Frank From: Ippm-ioam-ix-dt > On Behalf Of Tal Mizrahi Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28 To: Greg Mirsky > Cc: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG= > Subject: Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday Hi Greg, Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with another side meeting that is = already scheduled (for Tuesday morning). We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after the meeting. Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky > wrote: Hi Tal, is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I have planned for 13:30 = session already. Regards, Greg On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: Hi, We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November 19t= h, at 13:00. We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available spac= e, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few chairs= in the hallway. Cheers, Tal. On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi > wrote: Hi, We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in th= e Orchard room. We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. Cheers, Tal. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --_000_AM6PR05MB41187053D6C1E59F1B90DA17B94D0AM6PR05MB4118eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1

Thanks,
Barak
From: ippm <ippm-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:21:12 PM
To: Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com>
Cc: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org <ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org>; IETF = IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [ippm] [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday
 
Sounds good to me. Thank you for your consideration.<= br>

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tal= Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@g= mail.com> wrote:
Sounds good.

If there are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the regi= stration area.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Fra= nk Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote:

Hey Tal, team,

 

I=92d also appreciate if we could find another slo= t. How about 12:00-13:00 on Tuesday?

 

Thanks, Frank

 

From: Ippm-ioam-ix-dt <ippm-ioam-ix-dt-bounce= s@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tal Mizrahi
Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Cc: ip= pm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday=

 

Hi Greg,

 

Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with anot= her side meeting that is already scheduled (for Tuesday morning).

We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after = the meeting.

 

Cheers,

Tal.

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail= .com> wrote:

Hi Tal,

is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? = I have planned for 13:30 session already.

 

Regards,

Greg

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.ph= d@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

 

We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting= on Tuesday, November 19th, at 13:00.

We will get together in the registration area at 1= 3:00.

There is currently no available room, so we will l= ook for an available space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putt= ing together a few chairs in the hallway.

 

Cheers,

Tal.

 

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.ph= d@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

 

We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on= Monday, 8:30-9:45, in the Orchard room.

 

We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open = issues.

 

Cheers,

Tal.

 

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Justin ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Barak Gafni" > =C3=80: "Greg Mirsky" , "Tal Mizrahi" > Cc: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org, "IETF IPPM WG" > Envoy=C3=A9: Lundi 18 Novembre 2019 10:44:30 > Objet: Re: [ippm] [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday > +1 >=20 > Thanks, > Barak >=20 > From: ippm on behalf of Greg Mirsky > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:21:12 PM > To: Tal Mizrahi > Cc: ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org ; IETF IPPM WG > > Subject: Re: [ippm] [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday > Sounds good to me. Thank you for your consideration. >=20 > Regards, > Greg >=20 > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tal Mizrahi < [ mailto:tal.mizrahi.phd@gm= ail.com > | tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com ] > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sounds good. >=20 > If there are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the registr= ation > area. >=20 > Cheers, > Tal. >=20 > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) < [ > mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com | fbrockne@cisco.com ] > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hey Tal, team, >=20 >=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another slot. How about 12:0= 0-13:00 on > Tuesday? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Frank >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Ippm-ioam-ix-dt < [ mailto:ippm-ioam-ix-dt-bounces@ietf.org | > ippm-ioam-ix-dt-bounces@ietf.org ] > On Behalf Of Tal Mizrahi > Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28 > To: Greg Mirsky < [ mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com | gregimirsky@gmail.com = ] > > Cc: [ mailto:ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org | ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org ] ; IETF= IPPM > WG < [ mailto:ippm@ietf.org | ippm@ietf.org ] > > Subject: Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Greg, >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with another side meeting that i= s > already scheduled (for Tuesday morning). >=20 >=20 > We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after the meeting. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 > Tal. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky < [ mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.= .com | > gregimirsky@gmail..com ] > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Tal, >=20 >=20 > is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I have planned for 13:3= 0 > session already. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 >=20 > Greg >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi < [ mailto:tal.mizrahi.phd@gm= ail.com > | tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com ] > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November 1= 9th, at > 13:00. >=20 >=20 > We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. >=20 >=20 > There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available sp= ace, > and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few chairs = in the > hallway. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 > Tal. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi < [ mailto:tal.mizrahi.phd@gm= ail.com > | tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com ] > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in = the > Orchard room. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 > Tal. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > [ mailto:ippm@ietf.org | ippm@ietf.org ] > [ > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fippm&data=3D02%7C01%7Cgbarak%40mellanox.com%= 7C0d249aeae0cd46ec761008d76c08b663%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d149256f461b%7C0%7= C0%7C637096656983447942&sdata=3DBU8oRUpNWyfcsF%2BpyttHBsqZ0%2Fv30u0CAy0uvVZ= NLcg%3D&reserved=3D0 > | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm ] >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Mon Nov 18 02:28:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F6A120851 for ; 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Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:28:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:28:25 +0000 (UTC) From: "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" To: IETF IPPM WG , "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Message-ID: <1496541859.1650460.1574072905439@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> References: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1650459_1821254734.1574072905438" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14728 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/78.0.3904.97 Safari/537.36 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:28:32 -0000 ------=_Part_1650459_1821254734.1574072905438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IPPM, As I said at the mike in Singapore, the topic addressed by this draft is of= concern to quite a few large enterprise networks who have asked me about h= ow to measure capacity.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This issue will grow as bandwidths con= tinue to grow. This draft is very much in scope for the WG, it addresses an area which is = core to the work of IPPM. I support adoption and I would be willing to review the document Thanks, Nalini Elkins CEO and Founder Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360=20 On Monday, November 18, 2019, 11:57:07 AM GMT+8, Brian Trammell (IETF) = wrote: =20 =20 Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-m= etric-method-01 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm =20 ------=_Part_1650459_1821254734.1574072905438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IPPM,

As I said at the mike in Singapore, the topic addr= essed by this draft is of concern to quite a few large enterprise networks = who have asked me about how to measure capacity.    This issue wi= ll grow as bandwidths continue to grow.

This draft is very much in sc= ope for the WG, it addresses an area which is core to the work of IPPM.

I support adoption and I would be willing to review the document

Thanks,
Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethe= stack.com
(831) 659-8360


=20
=20
On Monday, November 18, 2019, 11:57:07 AM GMT+8, Brian = Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:


Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group has been asked to ad= opt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group docum= ent.

This message begi= ns an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Please send a message= to ippm@ietf.orgindicating:

<= /div>
- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the W= G and mature enough to be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether you are willing to review the document

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm
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Thank you, Len Ciavattone -----Original Message----- From: ippm On Behalf Of Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:11 AM To: ietf@trammell.ch Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-met= hod Hi Brian, as a co-author I support adoption (and I read and commented the versions so= far). Regards, Ruediger -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: ippm Im Auftrag von Brian Trammell (IETF) Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 04:57 An: IETF IPPM WG Betreff: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-m= etric-method-01 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwIFAw&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D6sGrAowu90vEzQlUgU= 5R_A&m=3DVItmNKcQxOP0t0wZlwB42P_1cDtIj8_k2EZshGM7eBE&s=3DcVqpE-TV5N4x_aXnkZ= vtfZSCGKROjzM2ja5WVuRCMDA&e=3D=20 _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwIFAw&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D6sGrAowu90vEzQlUgU= 5R_A&m=3DVItmNKcQxOP0t0wZlwB42P_1cDtIj8_k2EZshGM7eBE&s=3DcVqpE-TV5N4x_aXnkZ= vtfZSCGKROjzM2ja5WVuRCMDA&e=3D=20 From nobody Mon Nov 18 10:11:25 2019 Return-Path: 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November 2019 11:46 > To: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam- > direct-export-00 as as a working group document. >=20 > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: >=20 > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough = to be > a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Mon Nov 18 16:16:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062312012E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:16:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF) > Sent: Montag, 18. 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Support (as co-author)

Thanks,
Barak
From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Frank Brockners = (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 02:12
To: Brian Trammell (IETF); IETF IPPM WG
Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direc= t-export
 
Support (as co-author).

Frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (= IETF)
> Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 11:46
> To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
> Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-expo= rt
>
> Greetings, all,
>
> The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioa= m-
> direct-export-00 as as a working group document.
>
> This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019.=
> Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating:
>
> - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enou= gh to be
> a WG document, and if not, why not
> - whether you are willing to review the document
>
> Many thanks, cheers,
>
> Brian (as co-chair)
> _______________________________________________
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I believe that the draft is within the scope of IPPM and mature enough to be adopted as WG item. Adding to what's been mentioned yesterday at the ippm session: There may be also substantial public interest in the draft outside of ippm. At least the EU asks national regulators to offer objective measurement mechanisms to broadband customers for assessing their true access capacity. The proposed draft identifies alternatives to existing methods (almost exclusively TCP up/download). Having done reviews and submitted comments to this draft in the past I volunteer to do this for future revisions, too. Joachim On 11/18/19 11:56 AM, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group document. > > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. 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Regards, Greg On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt > draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group document. > > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: > > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough > to be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document > > Many thanks, cheers, > > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --000000000000a934520597aa575a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I've read the draft and support its adoption b= y the IPPM WG.

Regards,
Greg
=
On Mon= , Nov 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-m= etric-method-01 as as a working group document.

This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating:

- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether you are willing to review the document

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
_______________________________________________
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X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 04:02:52 -0000 --000000000000fa379d0597ab226c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are meeting in Hullet. Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tal Mizrahi wrote: > Sounds good. > > If there are no objections, let's meet at 12:00 on Tuesday in the > registration area. > > Cheers, > Tal. > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) < > fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Hey Tal, team, >> >> >> >> I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another slot. How about 12:= 00-13:00 >> on Tuesday? >> >> >> >> Thanks, Frank >> >> >> >> *From:* Ippm-ioam-ix-dt *On Behalf Of >> *Tal Mizrahi >> *Sent:* Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28 >> *To:* Greg Mirsky >> *Cc:* ippm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG >> *Subject:* Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday >> >> >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with another side meeting that >> is already scheduled (for Tuesday morning). >> >> We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after the meeting. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tal. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky > > wrote: >> >> Hi Tal, >> >> is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I have planned for >> 13:30 session already. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting on Tuesday, November >> 19th, at 13:00. >> >> We will get together in the registration area at 13:00. >> >> There is currently no available room, so we will look for an available >> space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on putting together a few >> chairs in the hallway. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tal. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on Monday, 8:30-9:45, in >> the Orchard room. >> >> >> >> We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open issues. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tal. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >> >> --000000000000fa379d0597ab226c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We are meeting in Hullet.

Cheers,
=
Tal.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Sounds good.

If there are no objections, let's meet= at 12:00 on Tuesday in the registration area.

Che= ers,
Tal.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Frank Brockners (f= brockne) <fbrock= ne@cisco.com> wrote:

Hey Tal, team,

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99d also appreciate if we could find another= slot. How about 12:00-13:00 on Tuesday?

=C2=A0

Thanks, Frank

=C2=A0

From: Ippm-ioam-ix-dt <ippm-ioam-ix-dt-bounces@= ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tal Mizrahi
Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 16:28
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Cc: ip= pm-ioam-ix-dt@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ippm-ioam-ix-dt] [ippm] IOAM Side Meeting on Monday=

=C2=A0

Hi Greg,

=C2=A0

Apologies, but Tuesday morning conflicts with anothe= r side meeting=C2=A0that is already scheduled (for Tuesday morning).=

We will be sure to send the meeting minutes after th= e meeting.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Hi Tal,

is there a chance to use the slot in the morning? I = have planned for 13:30 session already.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@= gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

We are going to hold a follow-up IOAM side meeting o= n Tuesday, November 19th, at 13:00.

We will get together in the registration area at 13:= 00.

There is currently no available room, so we will loo= k for an available space, and unfortunately we may need to settle on puttin= g together a few chairs in the hallway.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@= gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

We are going to hold an unofficial side meeting on M= onday, 8:30-9:45, in the=C2=A0Orchard room.

=C2=A0

We are going to discuss various IOAM-related open is= sues.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Tal.

=C2=A0

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Apparently the behavior described in draft-ietf-= ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 isn=E2=80=99t a bug =E2=80=93 as we speculated in= the IPPM WG meeting yesterday, but the desired behavior that we arrived at= after WG discussions in 6man and with several IPv6 experts. See https://g= ithub.com/inband-oam/ietf/commit/48175cf89de6369a4d01017ec80c07b34f57f17c#d= iff-803b63dbe26303f504708318e255d884 (=E2=80=9CDon't forward an IOAM packet= unless configured to do so.=E2=80=9D) > > This behavior for IPv6 is to ensure that packets with IOAM do not acciden= tally leak from a domain that employs IPv6. > > This also means for IPv6, things are more constrained than what is stated= in the more generic draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08. > Frank, Per the draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 the act bits are 00 which means "skip over this option and continue processing the header". So if a router doesn't support IOAM, I believe other act bits like maybe 01 would be necessary to enforce the rule of =E2=80=9CDon't forward an IOAM packet unless configured to do so.=E2=80=9D Of course, nodes may also ignor= e HBH options completely per RFC8200 which means even such packets might be forwarded out of the domain anyway. So trying to guarantee packets won't be forwarded out of the domain at all edge routers may be a futile effort. An alternative would be that the source SHOULD only use IOAM when it knows the destination is in the domain, and a firewall MAY be applied at the domain edge to drop packets with IOAM. Tom > > > Cheers, Frank > > > > > > > > From: ippm On Behalf Of xiao.min2@zte.com.cn > Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 13:18 > To: ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > Repeat what I said on the mic this morning as below. > > > > In section 3 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 it says: > > "Unless a particular interface is explicitly enabled (i.e. explicitly c= onfigured) for IOAM, a router MUST drop packets which contain extension hea= ders carrying IOAM data-fields." > > But in section 4.4 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08 it says: > > "If not all nodes within a domain are IOAM capable, IOAM tracing informat= ion (i.e., node data, see below) will only be collected on those nodes whic= h are IOAM capable. Nodes which are not IOAM capable will forward the pack= et without any changes to the IOAM-Data-Fields." > > It seems they're not in alignment. > > > > Best Regards, > > Xiao Min > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Mon Nov 18 20:49:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D262612081B for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:49:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit 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required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Es2XZm3eflsK for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.ficora.fi (mail2.ficora.fi [IPv6:2a00:13f0:0:1002:125:160:0:165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F5CD12001E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:01:52 -0800 (PST) IronPort-SDR: u2eXW136tKovUlzxoAuCC3aSfztCmYRHC8HaK0dGegGluzWYBLza0ttMFvjgc8DQT5j+d8Xj1E 5PkxOLb5ZHD4m/I5nf2+y6wQvb2h6lNxCRTMrKSIaygFExM3wtW032s0PIO7V7RPiCwwslsKmV DVfs6Pa5B5CLAWsLejkjjW36TT5QGYs2bvRSUuFPeIbulBs/VBNb6bwQ42XEyC+95aRar7gCbv GFVLHqmxsMtnw1tCRfkZzm2yj4KuhboYz6qqYmPrBQJwCcRGzIjGyOrda3GTsaKc5gVhvLZgRj U54= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.68,322,1569272400"; d="scan'208";a="8824499" From: Nieminen Klaus To: "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Thread-Index: AdWeldqrIYdXLj+/Qo647CwiCiAJgg== Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:01:51 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, fi-FI Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.120.3.156] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:01:59 -0000 Greetings, Yes, I would think this to be mature enough to be a WG document, so I suppo= rt adoption and would be reading also the future versions of this draft, so= willing to give comments when I have any. I will send one comments in a se= parate email soon. Best, Klaus -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ippm Per conto di Brian Trammell (IETF) Inviato: luned? 18 novembre 2019 11:57 A: IETF IPPM WG Oggetto: [EXT] [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-m= ethod Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-m= etric-method-01 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle per= sone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dall= a conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abb= iate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di dar= ne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie.=20 This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged = information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, pri= nting or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended r= ecipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sen= der by return e-mail, Thanks.=20 Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non ? necessario. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:05:43 +0800 From: Greg Mirsky To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" Hi, I've read the draft and support its adoption by the IPPM WG. 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:47:37 +0000 From: "Frank Brockners (fbrockne)" To: "xiao.min2@zte.com.cn" , "ippm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 Message-ID: =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" Hi Xiao, thanks for following up. Apparently the behavior described in draft-ietf-ip= pm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 isn?t a bug ? as we speculated in the IPPM WG meeti= ng yesterday, but the desired behavior that we arrived at after WG discussi= ons in 6man and with several IPv6 experts. See https://github.com/inband-o= am/ietf/commit/48175cf89de6369a4d01017ec80c07b34f57f17c#diff-803b63dbe26303= f504708318e255d884 (?Don't forward an IOAM packet unless configured to do s= o.?) This behavior for IPv6 is to ensure that packets with IOAM do not accidenta= lly leak from a domain that employs IPv6. This also means for IPv6, things are more constrained than what is stated i= n the more generic draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08. Cheers, Frank From: ippm On Behalf Of xiao.min2@zte.com.cn Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 13:18 To: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 Hi Frank, Repeat what I said on the mic this morning as below. In section 3 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 it says: "Unless a particular interface is explicitly enabled (i.e. explicitly con= figured) for IOAM, a router MUST drop packets which contain extension heade= rs carrying IOAM data-fields." But in section 4.4 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08 it says: "If not all nodes within a domain are IOAM capable, IOAM tracing informatio= n (i.e., node data, see below) will only be collected on those nodes which = are IOAM capable. Nodes which are not IOAM capable will forward the packet= without any changes to the IOAM-Data-Fields." It seems they're not in alignment. 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URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm ------------------------------ End of ippm Digest, Vol 186, Issue 23 ************************************* From nobody Mon Nov 18 21:33:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67DE12020A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wbimlndg8iy for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.ficora.fi (mail1.ficora.fi [IPv6:2a00:13f0:0:1002:125:64:0:65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10037120013 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:33:19 -0800 (PST) IronPort-SDR: uMyPzTFkuhtXzTKBJw6XxL1Iq5WgPg929YNxcDaHvQ23L/OUdE8gPscLIjX/NfthmvbW/w/ykw nvnLVo0dXG7EQztUmDr0xPMdRN5zNCMEiB193/mXtZBhuMEzk1H0SVEzfSn6QGk5X17jlWbNkE gPTK+nLfFKOtR3D6PFmcX9+q8+ic1cYimCjENjjNTMldbh/1nJm5GUpTtpMbEG4maB8h+OFPMV fVQIlobnUKyLX+iEhIOvJwYwsHaraP3j/IATM4ys9AgaIkhtbc1tNMBT10UGFn6at+u7x3kOmo 8mA= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.68,322,1569272400"; d="scan'208";a="16411544" From: Nieminen Klaus To: "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Estimating IP layer capacity in draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Thread-Index: AdWelppHADagnxxBRFmMXcLQzn7bkQ== Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:33:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3971320832ee43dcbc3af4ee86e8b708@traficom.fi> Accept-Language: en-US, fi-FI Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.120.3.156] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Estimating IP layer capacity in draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:33:22 -0000 Hi, I have one question on how much this metric restricts the measurement setup= and e.g. can WebTransport be used in the measurement? As I understand this= , if we are running the measurement at the application layer, we can measur= e application layer (e.g. HTTP/3) payload. This again means that we can onl= y estimate the IP layer capacity as we do not have full information about t= he header sizes or potential retransmissions. I think we can estimate this = with a certain error margin, but I was not sure if this is fine according t= o the metric. I have not studied this much further, but started to think this question wh= en I read the part 5.3. Metric Definitions that talks a case where the pac= ket size is known and of fixed size, but is this really the case? Should th= ere be more flexibility to also be able to estimate the IP layer capacity f= rom the application layer measurement results? I think this should be clari= fied. And if we think this should be possible, at least I think it would be usefu= l to add how this estimation can be done to the metric itself as the targe= t is to harmonize the specified metric and this is not specified, it may le= ad discrepancies between implementations.=20 Any thoughts on this? 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A revised version of the drafts should=20 follow quickly (ideally when the meeting concludes). thanks, Al From nobody Tue Nov 19 01:54:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E35C120824 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:54:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQ2_RFuNRamq for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79AB2120104 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id k15so22578079lja.3 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:54:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=l2aAv+hSHgYMsNrauxrSL2f1tTnXcEhSApLOQJvek1M=; b=EJ8JJ0K4TTPoAwY1ltsgPspRCi3MC9N32hymaoBjsxDQTvZ3CgWdIH+P97Gk/qF4ut M6hSdiepNL/ctQ+Lc7+I0HIF1riNtDV6uU939aj4KbsejJgfF3TJXULAocuyYA9ji9qs r7KfGDNTc1iXnLNXCWOHrccvjAWQk0r4mP97/54/SGy/k6acR6zRekNRQEN8Bra76mOk tifWxS+0O0+VZ0VR+qD87/ghS+5SkNIq6zJ1YwhLCFflClvb8bLJ4Fhrg19+3GnFSvsk 57oIsO37OXfJDlPcWO/cdvNEqFY8SYsFAxk+bywbRt/ycTSIZ81wiQcvzPj9OrVPMPXJ S0MQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=l2aAv+hSHgYMsNrauxrSL2f1tTnXcEhSApLOQJvek1M=; b=qWawAruuAUTf4DJftgYB8vyDBO70SkGLKhuBKPfIiWwTfNSJ33qNu+UZ9SDUIcacKS DHYeeMTMwMbIu+XWBHkCtSah4Aa2KNDV5UHORYGeK3ae7AZ8i+LOff3k8tc+JJjI/feP a7gLavec2RTufHtthUiVtZb8NArkGaTXDzEaYY09IPzKrVueviMLY3jheXtPLsEYzn59 9tVS62bvLncDRyyiKMBVSBxCbxoNTSKYVF2/6GX3LuYBZ0Sj59PhqcVHFRQx9teUjq0o UWlUajbVhPyrO07lfVkSlJY/+vOm2dzDWd4sVaSQhasfbaYeJEEDE5+fmYYz88+8otTK +rwg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWh1ZNXe/DZ7+j89Nmmr5fPl7IGOivVtFcJRiALTgZzo8nHJA0Z irOaqbgZjwWSMpgHBdi2ybClCUFGevkDqqeQKCQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzQuNPwxa1iJcXh5zVKyMO7M+4ubeFPcSOOb8VVKwpbvuQyRt+qXM9RGUIHQ8HM7zCLfaKyWAIAWZgpYSngRcw= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7013:: with SMTP id l19mr3086560ljc.201.1574157284471; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:54:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Greg Mirsky Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:54:33 +0800 Message-ID: To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Cc: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2f9400597b00d97" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:54:53 -0000 --000000000000c2f9400597b00d97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Brian, et al., I've read the draft and believe that checks on all the requirements to a ready for the WG adoption: - well-written - addresses practical problem - proposes a viable solution. So, yes/support adoption. Regards, Greg On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:46 AM Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt > draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document. > > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: > > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough > to be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document > > Many thanks, cheers, > > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --000000000000c2f9400597b00d97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Brian, et al.,
I've read the draft and believe = that checks on all the requirements to a ready for the WG adoption:
  • well-written
  • addresses practical problem
  • propose= s a viable solution.
So, yes/support adoption.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:46= AM Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@tram= mell.ch> wrote:
Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document.

This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ipp= m@ietf.org indicating:

- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether you are willing to review the document

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
_______________________________________________
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ippm@ietf.org
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Support as coauthor.=

Cheers,
Tianran

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Brian Trammell (IETF)<ietf@trammell.ch>
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA IETF IPPM WG<ippm@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm= -ioam-direct-export
=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2019-11-18 11:46:30

Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document.

This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating:

- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether you are willing to review the document

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
_______________________________________________
ippm mailing list
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November 2019 12:24 > > To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > > Cc: xiao.min2@zte.com.cn; ippm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:47 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Xiao, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for following up. Apparently the behavior described in > > > draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 isn=E2=80=99t a bug =E2=80=93 as= we speculated in > > > the IPPM WG meeting yesterday, but the desired behavior that we > > > arrived at after WG discussions in 6man and with several IPv6 experts= . > > > See > > > https://github.com/inband- > > oam/ietf/commit/48175cf89de6369a4d01017ec80c > > > 07b34f57f17c#diff-803b63dbe26303f504708318e255d884 (=E2=80=9CDon't fo= rward an > > > IOAM packet unless configured to do so.=E2=80=9D) > > > > > > This behavior for IPv6 is to ensure that packets with IOAM do not acc= identally > > leak from a domain that employs IPv6. > > > > > > This also means for IPv6, things are more constrained than what is st= ated in > > the more generic draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08. > > > > > Frank, > > > > Per the draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 the act bits are 00 which = means > > "skip over this option and continue processing the header". So if a rou= ter doesn't > > support IOAM, I believe other act bits like maybe > > 01 would be necessary to enforce the rule of =E2=80=9CDon't forward an = IOAM packet > > unless configured to do so.=E2=80=9D Of course, nodes may also ignore H= BH options > > completely per RFC8200 which means even such packets might be forwarded > > out of the domain anyway. > > ... the current text is a for a more specific case, i.e. you have a rout= er that *does* understand IOAM and receives a packet with IOAM on an interf= ace that is not configured for IOAM. But the draft says "This ensures that IOAM data does not unintentionally get forwarded outside the IOAM domain.", these requirements don't do that. I see another issue, the option may be in a Destination Options header. So in order for a router to detect presence of the IOAM option it would need to examine the Desintation Option while the packet is inflight, but that prohibited by RFC8200: "Extension headers (except for the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by any node along a packet's delivery path..." > The conclusion from earlier discussions was to drop the packet - per the = current text. This leaves default processing of unknown option types untouc= hed - i.e. processing would happen per RFC 8200. Yes, packet should be dropped at the domain edege, but that is a firewall functionality not router functionality. If we start adding requirements to routers to drop traffic on the basis of inspecting content not normally required for routing, then this will create a avalanche of router requirements for each type of limited domain. Clearly packets with SRH need to be dropped at edge, as do packets with private addresses, and there will no doubt be other cases. All of these fall under the auspices of firewalls at the edge of the domain, not routers within the domain. Segement rouitng handles this properly as filtering packets with SRH at edge is required. Tom > > Frank > > > So trying to guarantee packets won't be forwarded > > out of the domain at all edge routers may be a futile effort. An altern= ative would > > be that the source SHOULD only use IOAM when it knows the destination i= s in > > the domain, and a firewall MAY be applied at the domain edge to drop pa= ckets > > with IOAM. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ippm On Behalf Of xiao.min2@zte.com.cn > > > Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 13:18 > > > To: ippm@ietf.org > > > Subject: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > > > > > > > > > Repeat what I said on the mic this morning as below. > > > > > > > > > > > > In section 3 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 it says: > > > > > > "Unless a particular interface is explicitly enabled (i.e. explicitly= configured) > > for IOAM, a router MUST drop packets which contain extension headers ca= rrying > > IOAM data-fields." > > > > > > But in section 4.4 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08 it says: > > > > > > "If not all nodes within a domain are IOAM capable, IOAM tracing info= rmation > > (i.e., node data, see below) will only be collected on those nodes whic= h are > > IOAM capable. Nodes which are not IOAM capable will forward the packet > > without any changes to the IOAM-Data-Fields." > > > > > > It seems they're not in alignment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Xiao Min > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ippm mailing list > > > ippm@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Tue Nov 19 15:51:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B55E12008C for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:51:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: 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3:51 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) wrote: > > Tom, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Herbert > > Sent: Dienstag, 19. November 2019 23:52 > > To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > > Cc: xiao.min2@zte.com.cn; ippm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:49 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tom Herbert > > > > Sent: Dienstag, 19. November 2019 12:24 > > > > To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > > > > Cc: xiao.min2@zte.com.cn; ippm@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:47 PM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Xiao, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for following up. Apparently the behavior described in > > > > > draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 isn=E2=80=99t a bug =E2=80= =93 as we > > > > > speculated in the IPPM WG meeting yesterday, but the desired > > > > > behavior that we arrived at after WG discussions in 6man and with= several > > IPv6 experts. > > > > > See > > > > > https://github.com/inband- > > > > oam/ietf/commit/48175cf89de6369a4d01017ec80c > > > > > 07b34f57f17c#diff-803b63dbe26303f504708318e255d884 (=E2=80=9CDon'= t forward > > > > > an IOAM packet unless configured to do so.=E2=80=9D) > > > > > > > > > > This behavior for IPv6 is to ensure that packets with IOAM do not > > > > > accidentally > > > > leak from a domain that employs IPv6. > > > > > > > > > > This also means for IPv6, things are more constrained than what i= s > > > > > stated in > > > > the more generic draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08. > > > > > > > > > Frank, > > > > > > > > Per the draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 the act bits are 00 > > > > which means "skip over this option and continue processing the > > > > header". So if a router doesn't support IOAM, I believe other act > > > > bits like maybe > > > > 01 would be necessary to enforce the rule of =E2=80=9CDon't forward= an IOAM > > > > packet unless configured to do so.=E2=80=9D Of course, nodes may al= so ignore > > > > HBH options completely per RFC8200 which means even such packets > > > > might be forwarded out of the domain anyway. > > > > > > ... the current text is a for a more specific case, i.e. you have a = router that > > *does* understand IOAM and receives a packet with IOAM on an interface = that > > is not configured for IOAM. > > > > But the draft says "This ensures that IOAM data does not unintentionall= y get > > forwarded outside the IOAM domain.", these requirements don't do that. > > ... FB: If everything is properly setup, packets with IOAM data fields sh= ould never leave the IOAM domain. Frank, If everything were set up correctly one would expect that the source would only set IOAM in the packet if it knows that the destination is in the domain. From that POV the purpose of an egress firewall is to protect against misconfiguration or bugs. > Having a default of "drop" with the need to explicitly configure an "allo= w" reduces the potential of errors. > Which means we should soften the statement, given that it does not "ensur= e" that bad things don't happen - but it does try to help avoid bad things = happening. An explicit firewall at the edge could just as easily and more completely enforce the isolation. Per the current draft requirements, even non-edge routers need to act as firewalls for IOAM. > > > > > I see another issue, the option may be in a Destination Options header.= So in > > order for a router to detect presence of the IOAM option it would need = to > > examine the Desintation Option while the packet is inflight, but that p= rohibited > > by RFC8200: "Extension headers (except for the Hop-by-Hop Options heade= r) are > > not processed, inserted, or deleted by any node along a packet's delive= ry > > path..." > > ...FB: Hmmm - I'm not following. Why would a router (i.e. transit node) l= ook at DO? The text does not say that anywhere. Per the draft: "IOAM data fields are encapsulated in "option data" fields of two types of extension headers in IPv6 packets - either Hop-by-Hop Options header or Destination options header." -and- "Unless a particular interface is explicitly enabled (i.e. explicitly configured) for IOAM, a router MUST drop packets which contain extension headers carrying IOAM data-fields." Putting these two statements together means that a router MUST drop packets with a Destination Options header that carried IOAM data-fields regardless of whether the packet is addressed to the router. If the intent is that the router only drops for HBH then the requirement should read "...a router MUST drop packets which contain a Hop-by-Hop extension header carrying IOAM data-fields." Tom > If you are an IOAM encap/decap node (host or tunnel endpoint), you'd deal= with DO and HbyH - and the text means: Ignore those on interfaces which ar= en't enabled for IOAM. > If you are an IOAM transit node, you'd deal with HbyH - and the text agai= n means: Ignore those on interfaces which aren't enabled for IOAM. > > > > > > The conclusion from earlier discussions was to drop the packet - per = the > > current text. This leaves default processing of unknown option types un= touched > > - i.e. processing would happen per RFC 8200. > > > > Yes, packet should be dropped at the domain edege, but that is a firewa= ll > > functionality not router functionality. If we start adding requirements= to routers > > to drop traffic on the basis of inspecting content not normally require= d for > > routing, then this will create a avalanche of router requirements for e= ach type of > > limited domain. > > ...FB: Per what I said above, we don't ask the router to inspect anything= that the router would look at in any case. > If you believe that the behavior of "explicitly enable an interface for I= OAM" - i.e. ask for explicit config - does not add any benefits, and others= feel the same way, we can drop that requirement from the spec again. It ad= ds to configuration complexity - so unless we feel it adds a benefit, we sh= ould get rid of it. The earlier conversation we had on the topic concluded = that it would add a benefit - which is why the text is there. > > Cheers, Frank > > > Clearly packets with SRH need to be dropped at edge, as do packets with= private > > addresses, and there will no doubt be other cases. All of these fall un= der the > > auspices of firewalls at the edge of the domain, not routers within the= domain. > > Segement rouitng handles this properly as filtering packets with SRH at= edge is > > required. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > So trying to guarantee packets won't be forwarded > > > > out of the domain at all edge routers may be a futile effort. An > > > > alternative would be that the source SHOULD only use IOAM when it > > > > knows the destination is in the domain, and a firewall MAY be > > > > applied at the domain edge to drop packets with IOAM. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ippm On Behalf Of > > > > > xiao.min2@zte.com.cn > > > > > Sent: Montag, 18. November 2019 13:18 > > > > > To: ippm@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: [ippm] Comment on draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repeat what I said on the mic this morning as below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In section 3 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-ipv6-options-00 it says: > > > > > > > > > > "Unless a particular interface is explicitly enabled (i.e. explic= itly > > configured) > > > > for IOAM, a router MUST drop packets which contain extension header= s > > > > carrying IOAM data-fields." > > > > > > > > > > But in section 4.4 of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-08 it says: > > > > > > > > > > "If not all nodes within a domain are IOAM capable, IOAM tracing > > > > > information > > > > (i.e., node data, see below) will only be collected on those nodes > > > > which are IOAM capable. Nodes which are not IOAM capable will > > > > forward the packet without any changes to the IOAM-Data-Fields." > > > > > > > > > > It seems they're not in alignment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Xiao Min > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ippm mailing list > > > > > ippm@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Tue Nov 19 18:39:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFEC1201EF for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] 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(8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id xAK2ZPXX036938 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:43:30 -0500 Received: from alpi154.enaf.aldc.att.com (sbcsmtp6.sbc.com [144.160.229.23]) by m0048589.ppops.net-00191d01. with ESMTP id 2wcm215sn1-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:43:30 -0500 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi154.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAK2hSt3008736 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:43:28 -0500 Received: from zlp30485.vci.att.com (zlp30485.vci.att.com [135.47.91.178]) by alpi154.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAK2hObk008688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:43:24 -0500 Received: from zlp30485.vci.att.com (zlp30485.vci.att.com [127.0.0.1]) by zlp30485.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTP id 58A3C400AE37 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:43:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GAALPA1MSGHUBAF.ITServices.sbc.com (unknown [130.8.218.155]) by zlp30485.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTPS id 464D8400AE35 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:43:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.5.43]) by GAALPA1MSGHUBAF.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.8.218.155]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:43:23 -0500 From: "STARK, BARBARA H" To: "'IETF IPPM WG'" Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Thread-Index: AQHVncREji9T8nXIg0WrwBp/McPTrqeTWUYg Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611536E7B3F@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.211.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,18.0.572 definitions=2019-11-19_08:2019-11-15,2019-11-19 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxlogscore=778 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-1910280000 definitions=main-1911200022 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:43:42 -0000 > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm- > capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group document. >=20 > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: >=20 > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough = to > be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document I've scanned through the document and find it well-organized, very readable= , and has most of the info I was hoping to find. I've also run these tests = on my gigabit broadband connection at home -- and they work great! I would like to understand plans for creation of one or more Performance Me= trics registry entries (should registry entries be specified? should this d= raft specify registry entries?). I think the doc is in scope and mature, and am willing to review (in more d= etail than my quick scan). I support adoption. Barbara From nobody Tue Nov 19 18:56:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFDF12092A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:56:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3GuVNpR_AEuH for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 189741200B8 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0053301.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id xAK2tFjL019118 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:56:38 -0500 Received: from tlpd255.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (sbcsmtp3.sbc.com [144.160.112.28]) by mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2wck70ysv9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:56:38 -0500 Received: from enaf.dadc.sbc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tlpd255.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAK2ub1l020126 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:56:37 -0600 Received: from zlp30495.vci.att.com (zlp30495.vci.att.com [135.46.181.158]) by tlpd255.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAK2uUto020045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:56:31 -0600 Received: from zlp30495.vci.att.com (zlp30495.vci.att.com [127.0.0.1]) by zlp30495.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTP id BD4794005C29 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (unknown [135.41.1.46]) by zlp30495.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTP id 9FA6C4005C2A for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sldc.sbc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAK2uUL0027522 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:56:30 -0600 Received: from mail-blue.research.att.com (mail-blue.research.att.com [135.207.178.11]) by clpi183.sldc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id xAK2uQXN027277 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:56:26 -0600 Received: from exchange.research.att.com (njbdcas1.research.att.com [135.197.255.61]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1552F0848 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from njmtexg5.research.att.com ([fe80::b09c:ff13:4487:78b6]) by njbdcas1.research.att.com ([fe80::8c6b:4b77:618f:9a01%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:56:25 -0500 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "STARK, BARBARA H" , "'IETF IPPM WG'" Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Thread-Index: AQHVncQ9DHKLu7i9K0Ks+PdKpOVYz6eTsNUA//+tVDA= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:56:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6EFB9D3@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611536E7B3F@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611536E7B3F@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.132.255] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,18.0.572 definitions=2019-11-19_08:2019-11-15,2019-11-19 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-1910280000 definitions=main-1911200026 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:56:41 -0000 Thanks for your support/scan/questions, Barbara! Regarding > I would like to understand plans for creation of one or more Performance > Metrics registry entries (should registry entries be specified? should > this draft specify registry entries?). The registry has a requirement of "wide-spread deployment*" for metric registration, so if pre-RFC-approval reaches that goal, then we should also include a section that contains the text of the proposed Registry Entr= y. I guess that we could anticipate adoption and write the registry entry anyw= ay, in an Appendix. I think that covers all bases. @@@@ Write a Registry Entry for Max IP-Layer Capacity Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of STARK, BARBARA H > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:43 PM > To: 'IETF IPPM WG' > Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric- > method >=20 > *** Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T ***. > Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information= . >=20 > > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm- > > capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group document. > > > > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: > > > > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enoug= h > to > > be a WG document, and if not, why not > > - whether you are willing to review the document >=20 > I've scanned through the document and find it well-organized, very > readable, and has most of the info I was hoping to find. I've also run > these tests on my gigabit broadband connection at home -- and they work > great! > I would like to understand plans for creation of one or more Performance > Metrics registry entries (should registry entries be specified? should > this draft specify registry entries?). > I think the doc is in scope and mature, and am willing to review (in more > detail than my quick scan). > I support adoption. > Barbara >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DkfsoSQtTDu4waHbs8rFouGlX= 8ANBG > Pe1vZ6Nzy6MLEE&s=3D7OGLGX9N1IEATXA21HeSqT52dhhF8Dv0oRRXcXzQ0tU&e=3D From nobody Wed Nov 20 01:51:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092B9120827 for ; 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From nobody Wed Nov 20 18:53:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2512091F for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:53:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fIakPvrnzUSs for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A299120917 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id y5so1952972wmi.5 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:53:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5OhKaJNBIL2YKpVVED4okbgLsBGsAj4a4dTf8H6N2UE=; b=X1ldjgtMyxh1EGangkt6f+Oe02Jt5coGTOdbE/6wHT3csUqp2JYys4TcwgRKbCl9py jVmYHdAthJutLxv1Lo6ow6loo4XERCDxHkJ98JzxdtJBSh0cG2C4DRJm+3Qd4DeEG+Xv AW5P/3u1auPHjwyHGQCsC5SnPvcD3l2zreVLmp4xSo9C5FvV4DABsn/Ur5j90btW+PQt +3IEx/BZPL1xX6om0EN2a8OC5iWDbHSp9fybtKaLGZqPQsfNBsafYhL+WAqKwRJLrMeL EYZR+gUUzgT0bDN6cdQcsbRLAv3cZ8YQIYj3hVSxL2QA0NY9YszU5Bfi0qTySMZGMgF7 J7JQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5OhKaJNBIL2YKpVVED4okbgLsBGsAj4a4dTf8H6N2UE=; b=sgY69eL3h6GrwXbQv44bNk60970Q/rP62K32WMEHOKF/XkICYFan5WrnlUoMlNoRma ZmDzU2KVd2XvZ6AIIoDGOmZZ/zRTGguIJynONApXJ1LSXcAOrlqun8JgRZx8ciTJoPr7 jPXSsFlenK2XBBa48UDngqU4Yyz9v045frbV4KCGN+oF6ApgdVAIN1EhC3Xc639WI5XU 5e84w/hpsQxZuaJt7nA7nucr+AGdRkYe3Mp7+jpDk/C7JhGCcdY6RD0VdFOurnqBQ5co /VQ/LL9EIq8YriUXccaRPD4M9/6T/J8hg1wVCQKz/b0ueo/DM9V0k1nr5ZNWepsTyEv/ VZww== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVlgEzqmdwpeEDABeospzGAksQ2G59gywNFQCeJO08hJ5dgQtKL JV14YHGMt8queDfGKr88YZ/SCLZUFkEyFluuNG0LV6hS X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzt8XeP7JyosVTin/e1ZM9WfW2INKPqMUIr1Ye7W5vYI0npj30DqW7QvBRkXcZcAwHOuIM/woCPTukNJtNZN6Q= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:206:: with SMTP id 6mr7466145wmi.78.1574304830547; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:53:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tal Mizrahi Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:53:32 +0800 Message-ID: To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Cc: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000316c550597d26899" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 02:53:54 -0000 --000000000000316c550597d26899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I support the adoption of this draft (as a co-author). Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:46 AM Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt > draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document. > > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: > > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough > to be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document > > Many thanks, cheers, > > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --000000000000316c550597d26899 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support the adoption of this draft (as = a co-author).
Cheers,
Tal.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:46= AM Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@tram= mell.ch> wrote:
Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document.

This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ipp= m@ietf.org indicating:

- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether you are willing to review the document

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
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This is a summary of two side meetings that took place in IETF 106. The "Summary and action items" summarizes both meetings, and detailed meeting minutes follow. Please let me know if I missed anything. Summary and action items: ========================= - The IOAM design team will continue its bi-weekly calls. The next call will be on December 4th. To be announced again a few days before the meeting. - Loopback flag: - The following clarifications will be added to the flag document: - Loopback is intended to be sent to the encapsulating node. - Loopback is only applicable in encapsulations where the encapsulating (source) node is available in the header. - If an encapsulating node receives a looped back packet that was not originated from the current node, the packet is dropped. - Loopback is intended to provide an accelerated alternative to Traceroute. - Active flag: - The following clarifications will be added to the flag document: - The active flag is intended to simplify the implementation of decapsulating nodes, by indicating that the packet should not be forwarded further. - Data draft: - Some of the data fields have both a short format and a long format. It will be raised to the working group whether this should be revisited. - Data / DEX draft: - The current data draft and DEX draft are applicable to multicast. In addition, it may be useful to have an additional draft that focuses on multicast extensions. - IPv6 options draft: - The text about dropping a packet with an IOAM option when the option is not expected should remain as-is, and we are waiting to see if there are further comments on the mailing list. - IOAM profile draft: - The IOAM profile draft will cite the IOAM Yang model, as an IOAM profile may be defined by a specific assignment to the Yang model. Also a profile may augment the Yang model in order to define profile-specific configuration. ============================ Monday, November 18th, 2019 08:30 Meeting Minutes ============================ Attendees ========= Tal Mizrahi, Barak Gafni, Greg Mirsky, Carlos Pignataro, Al Morton, Roni Even, Shwetha Bhandari, Rakesh Gandhi, David Melman, Justin Iurman, Fan Yang, Richard Foote, Haoyu Song, Ramesh Sivakolundu, Xuesong Geng, Frank Brockners. Agenda bashing ============== Tal: on our agenda we have: (1) open issues regarding the flag document, (2) IOAM profile document. Shwetha: we should also discuss open issues about the data document. Tal: right. Starting with the flag draft. Barak: I have sent a few comments about the flag draft. Most of the issues are about the loopback flag. Will open issues on GitHub. Tal: are there any other issues? Loopback flag discussion ======================== Barak: loopback mode - as defined today it should collect data on the return path. Complexity which is not needed. Not related to the path. This is the major issue. Frank: do you want it as an option, or excluded? Barak: would prefer if it is excluded. Shwetha: what needs to be changed in the flag? Greg: the assumption is that there is a return path. In some encaps there is no information about the sender node. The return path is not necessarily possible. In active OAM there are special procedures to make sure you know how to return a packet to the sender. For example, MPLS is an issue. Barak: how do you respond to an ICMP? Greg: it is an IP packet over MPLS. You can't assume in IOAM that the packet is over IP. Frank: we do not need to turn loopback into active OAM. We were assuming that it is possible to loop back, but if that is not the case, then loopback should not be used. It is applicable where the return path exists. Greg: I cannot imagine a spec that says you can use it without saying where it is applicable. Frank: the current draft says it is applicable only if there is a return path. Barak: do we have a draft about IOAM over MPLS? Rakesh: will be presented today. Barak: that draft will need to define relevant functionality. Roni: encapsulation drafts will need to define this. Frank: each draft will have to say wheter loopback is applicable or not. Greg: this is not the best approach. What happens in multi-guest networks? Each transit node sends back to the sender? That is a lot of extra traffic that you are generating in the network. You are choking the service. Shwetha: this is not always on by default. Greg: you are giving an operator a loaded gun. Roni: it is just specifically a problem for multicast, where you will define how such a service will work anyway. Greg: first, it is a problem to collect on the return path. In multicast it is also a problem, because transit nodes will do nothing. Carlos: unicast is one way forward versus multicast which is multiple ways forward. Greg: it may be abused. Shwetha: it can also be a problem with existing traceroute, if you flood the network with it. Greg: it is an inherent problem with IOAM. Barak: Greg, can you suggest text for the security considerations? Greg: will consider it. Barak: the encapsualting node sets the loopback flag, but it is not clear who is going to use it. If a top-of-rack applies the loopback, the host will get the responses. We need to align who the edge is, and who is the destination of the data. Shwetha: today we just swap the source and destination. Frank: we want to try not to over-engineer it. Barak: we need the "source" to be the encap node. Shwetha: depends on the encap. Greg: this discussion is helpful. The scope of loopback assumes that the encap is always IP? Barak: no. For example it can be applicable to MAC addresses as well, with the GRE encapsulation. Shwetha: wherever we have a source and destination, that would work. Greg: that is a problem. We should say it is applicable to encaps that include a source and destination. Shwetha: makes sense. Barak: sure. Tal: to summarize, the loopback is applicable in cases where we have a source and destination? Greg: applicable to where we have a source. Barak: specifically when the loopback receiver is the source node. Greg: not necessarily. Barak: how do you manage it? Greg: loss and delay measurement in MPLS specifies the address you have to return to. Barak: but MPLS is not in scope. Greg: that was just an example. There may be a case where the returning packet does not return to the original source. Barak: the whole point of loopback is to get back to the encapsulating node. To enhance the performance of traceroute. Greg: if we care about complex networks. Barak: that can be done in other ways. Greg: what is the value of loopback? Barak: if you need traceroute - this is a way to accelerate it. Greg: what if it is an SDN set by an orchestrator? Barak: orchestrator is not in our context. Greg: loopback gets back to the sender. Barak: tie the source with encap node. Ramesh: only the source (encap) can initiate a loopback. Barak: what happens when a source gets a loopback if he is not the originator. Greg: is there a way to know whether you generated it or not? Barak: based on the source address. Carlos: it should be dropped if you receive a loopback that is not from you. Frank: right. Barak: yes. Tal: any other comments, Barak? Barak: no. Frank: what was the number of this issue on Github? Barak: #138. Tal: any other comments regarding the loopback flag? No further comments. Active flag discussion ====================== Greg: what is the use case of active flag? Who generates the message, who uses it? Barak: can you explain the question? Greg: we already have existing active OAM protocols. Does it mean that in these use cases the active flag is set? Barak: two different use cases. Greg: I am asking. What is the use case? Is the active flag set by the encap node? Barak: yes. Greg: is the node that terminates the traffic the decap node? Barak: yes. It is not the original packet. You don't drop data packets. Greg: so why drop the packet? Barak: if you want to measure performance then use the same QoS as the original packets, but if it is not performance then you do not necessararily use same QoS. Greg: in BFD you use the same QoS as the original data. Barak: BFD is very different. Greg: the document should describe what is the use case. Barak: it is already described. Frank: the active flag gives protocols the ability to indicate that this is active OAM. We are not specifying what the active OAM is. any active OAM mechanism can consider using it. There may be various mechanisms which use this. For example BFD. Greg: what if you generate a performance measurement message? Barak: if you encap IOAM, then you are an encapsulating node. Tal: right, the encapsulating node generates the active OAM packet. Barak: if a host sends a test packet through the encap node, then it can tell the encap node that it is active. Barak: one of the use cases was cloning a data packet, and setting the active flag in it. Greg: which document describes this? Greg: the current draft does not build the case for introducing this flag. Shwetha: what is the concern? Greg: what is the reason for introducing more active OAM mechanics. You can already use active OAM. There is no reason to differentiate data packet from test packet. Barak: if you want to measure the performance of data packets, how do you do it today? Greg: you have tools today for active OAM. Barak: some people found this technique useful. Frank: Greg says there is a set of active OAM mechanisms. You can push IOAM onto them. why do you need the additional bit? Barak: Jay suggested it, and Mickey followed up. IOAM is expensive to implement. This mechanism helps make it less expensive. Frakn: it helps hardware, and chip vendors see it as helpful. Greg: please phrase the way it is used by the implementation, and the fact it helps the hardware. Shwetha: if the flag is set, you avoid the matching for decap, right? Barak: the classification will happen anyway. Frank: emphasize how it helps the implementer. Tal: to summarize, what we want to do is clarify in the flag draft that the active flag helps implementations and simplifies the behavoir of the decap node. New flag discussion =================== Ramesh: there was a proposal to add a flag for a case where there is an incoming VXLAN, and you switch to VXLAN-GPE in order to push IOAM. The bit says whether you switch it back to VXLAN. Frank: not sure we want a flag for that. Tal: right, it sounds like a problem at a different layer, not in the IOAM layer. Ramesh: we should continue the discussion when Mickey is present, since he is the one who suggested it. Data draft discussion ===================== Greg: some objects seem to be presented in two different sizes - long / short format. What is the reason for two different formats? Shwetha: it is an optimization issue, of whether you need a long or short field. Greg: what is the case for the long ID and the short ID? Why not one format? It needs to be revisited, or sufficiently explained. Shwetha: do you think we need a draft that clarifies how to use the fields? Greg: what is the reason for having two different sizes? Is it historical? There needs to be a strong case. Frank: we need to go and clarify it. Probably in the deployment draft and not the data draft. It is not an issue of whether I use long or short. You can actually use one of them or a combination of the two, allowing you an even longer space. Greg: then why not variable length? Frank: variable length is much more difficult for hardware. Greg: it is already very complex to have so many combinations of different options. Frank: that is why we have a bit field, which is more friendly than a TLV. We have opaque state field which allows you to do whatever you want. Greg: it is not a question of why fixed format is more friendly than TLV. People will be implementing it. Why not simplify? Frank: that is what we tried to do by fixed fields. Al: multiple lengths for timestamps have been around for a long time. Greg: NTP and PTP have different formats, but test protocols have a very specific timestamp length. Tal: bottom line, how should we improve the document? Greg: either use a TLV, or make it the largest size, and explain how it can be used to represent the short fields as a subset of the bits. Shwetha: that would not work. Rakesh: you are using extra space for that. That will not work. Frank: we can raise it to the working group. Barak: many operators complain about the overhead. Greg: how about you keep the small fields, and allow the long format using a TLV? Barak: complicated. Frank: we can discuss it. Shwetha: do we really want to do that? Frank: it is a fair question, to consider dropping the long format. Barak: this was brought up in the past. We have a TLV, but it cannot be controlled from the edge. How can you use the TLV from the edge? ============================ Tuesday, November 19th, 2019 12:00 Meeting Minutes ============================ Attendees ========= Tal Mizrahi, Barak Gafni, Greg Mirsky, Shwetha Bhandari, Justin Iurman, Ramesh Sivakolundu, Frank Brockners, Roni Even. IPv6 Option draft discussion ============================ Tal: any open issues on the data draft? Frank: the IPv6 open issue on the IPPM meeting: the text in the draft was intentional in order to comply with RFC 8200. If you receive a packet that has an IOAM extended header on an interface that is not supposed to receive it, it must be dropped. Ramesh: so you are forcing a configuration on the port? Frank: right. That is implied by RFC 8200. Intended to prevent information leaking to the global internet. Barak: on the ingress or egress interface? Frank: not sure about the exact text. Greg: be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you receive. If you send something that is not allowed that breaks the rules. Barak: the question is if the configuration is an ingress property, an egress property, or both. Justin: in the kernel there is a distinction between ingress and egress. Barak: LACP is a unidirectional configuration. Frank: after checking the document: the current phrasing in the draft talks about ingress behavior. Ramesh: so the comment from 6MAN was that it should be dropped if received through an interface that is not enabled for IOAM? Frank: right. Greg: so if a router is not IOAM capable then it would not be able to know what IOAM is. Frank: right. Tal: so today if you receive an unknown extension header you drop the packet? Frank: no. Greg: RFC 8200 is complicated. Roni: the right way is to have correct behavior even if you do not know what IOAM is. Greg: not sending it silently is the right way. Shwetha: we want for nodes that do not know IOAM to forward the packet, but nodes that are IOAM aware but not enabled for IOAM should drop. Frank: right, that is what the text says. Tal: to summarize, at this point we are keeping the text as-is? Frank: subject to comments we may receive on the mailing list. IOAM Profile Draft ================== Tal: the IOAM profile draft defines the concept of a profile, which is a specific use case that uses a specific subset of IOAM features. An IOAM profile may be defined with the help of assigning a specific allocation to the IOAM Yang model. Question: do we need a specific Yang model for the IOAM profile draft, or can we just use the IOAM Yang model? Frank: we can change the existing yang model if necessary. Tal: a profile can be defined by a document, and assigning a value to the IOAM Yang model helps to specify the profile. However, some aspects cannot be defining using the IOAM Yang model. For example, a profile may define specific semantics for the Opaque State Snapshot, and such semantics cannot be defined by simply assigning a value in a Yang model. Frank: does this limit the generality of the Opaque field? Barak: somewhere it needs to be specified. Greg: the YANG model is read / write, so let's not limit its functionality. Tal: right, but the Yang model is used for configuration, not for reading the IOAM data itself. I suggest to use the existing IOAM Yang model. Additional functionality like opaque fields should be defined in the respective document that specifies the profile. Greg: the semantics also need to be configured. How to do that? Tal: are you saying that the profile defines the opaque field and also amendment to Yang model that allows to configure it? Greg: yes. Shwetha: only the schema? Tal: yes. Barak: are we maintaining the Yang model? Frank: yes. Ramesh: the model needs work. Tal: to summarize, does it make sense that we use the existing IOAM Yang model and in addition a profile may augment the model in order to define functionality that is specific to that profile? Frank: yes, let's not define something new for each profile. Multicast discussion ==================== Barak: someone said the current draft supports only unicast. Greg: not me. People do not think about the implications of collecting the data on data packets, since packets are replicated in multicast. Barak: we need to think about whether the current draft supports multicast. In my opinion yes. We need to think how we can optimize multicast. Greg: the DEX proposal is applicable to multicast. I do not think that DEX has this problem. I think that in DEX there is an issue about correlation. Barak: do you agree that the current IOAM supports multicast, and that we may need another draft for multicast? Greg: DEX is okay with multicast. There is a proposal of how to resolve the correlation problem. 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IOAM Side Meetings
IETF 106, Singapore
Monday, November 18th, 201= 9, 08:30
Tuesday, November 19th, 2019, 12:00
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Minutes: Tal Mizrahi.

This is a summary of two side= meetings that took place in IETF 106.
The "Summary and action item= s" summarizes both meetings, and detailed meeting minutes follow.
P= lease let me know if I missed anything.


Summary and action items= :
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- The IOAM design team will continue its bi-weekly calls. The nex= t call will be=C2=A0on December 4th. To be announced again a few days befor= e the meeting.

- Loopback flag:
=C2=A0 - The following clari= fications will be added to the flag document:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Loopback i= s intended to be sent to the encapsulating node.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Loopbac= k is only applicable in encapsulations where the encapsulating (source) nod= e is available in the header.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - If an encapsulating node r= eceives a looped back packet that was not originated from the current node,= the packet is dropped.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Loopback is intended to provide = an accelerated alternative to Traceroute.

- Active flag:
=C2=A0 -= The following clarifications will be added to the flag document:
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 - The active flag is intended to simplify the implementation of dec= apsulating nodes, by indicating that the packet should not be forwarded fur= ther.

- Data draft:
=C2=A0 - Some of the data fields have both a = short format and a long format. It will be raised to the working group whet= her this should be revisited.

- Data / DEX draft:
=C2=A0 - The cu= rrent data draft and DEX draft are applicable to multicast. In addition, it= may be useful to have an additional draft that focuses on multicast extens= ions.

- IPv6 options draft:
=C2=A0 - The text about dropping a pa= cket with an IOAM option when the option is not expected should remain as-i= s, and we are waiting to see if there are further comments on the mailing l= ist.

- IOAM profile draft:
=C2=A0 - The IOAM profile draft will c= ite the IOAM Yang model, as an IOAM profile may be defined by a specific as= signment to the Yang model. Also a profile may augment the Yang model in or= der to define profile-specific configuration.



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08:30
Meeting Minutes
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Attendees
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Tal Mizrahi, Barak Gafni,= Greg Mirsky, Carlos Pignataro, Al Morton, Roni Even, Shwetha Bhandari, Rak= esh Gandhi, David Melman, Justin Iurman, Fan Yang, Richard Foote, Haoyu Son= g, Ramesh Sivakolundu, Xuesong Geng, Frank Brockners.


Agenda bas= hing
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Tal: on our agenda we= have: (1) open issues regarding the flag document, (2) IOAM profile docume= nt.
Shwetha: we should also discuss open issues about the data document= .
Tal: right. Starting with the flag draft.
Barak: I have sent a few = comments about the flag draft. Most of the issues are about the loopback fl= ag. Will open issues on GitHub.
Tal: are there any other issues?

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Loopback flag discussion
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Barak: loopback mode - as defined today i= t should collect data on the return path. Complexity which is not needed. N= ot related to the path. This is the major issue.
Frank: do you want it a= s an option, or excluded?
Barak: would prefer if it is excluded.
Shwe= tha: what needs to be changed in the flag?
Greg: the assumption is that = there is a return path. In some encaps there is no information about the se= nder node. The return path is not necessarily possible. In active OAM there= are special procedures to make sure you know how to return a packet to the= sender. For example, MPLS is an issue.
Barak: how do you respond to an = ICMP?
Greg: it is an IP packet over MPLS. You can't assume in IOAM t= hat the packet is over IP.
Frank: we do not need to turn loopback into a= ctive OAM. We were assuming that it is possible to loop back, but if that i= s not the case, then loopback should not be used. It is applicable where th= e return path exists.
Greg: I cannot imagine a spec that says you can us= e it without saying where it is applicable.
Frank: the current draft say= s it is applicable only if there is a return path.
Barak: do we have a d= raft about IOAM over MPLS?
Rakesh: will be presented today.
Barak: th= at draft will need to define relevant functionality.
Roni: encapsulation= drafts will need to define this.
Frank: each draft will have to say whe= ter loopback is applicable or not.
Greg: this is not the best approach. = What happens in multi-guest networks? Each transit node sends back to the s= ender? That is a lot of extra traffic that you are generating in the networ= k. You are choking the service.
Shwetha: this is not always on by defaul= t.
Greg: you are giving an operator a loaded gun.
Roni: it is just sp= ecifically a problem for multicast, where you will define how such a servic= e will work anyway.
Greg: first, it is a problem to collect on the retur= n path. In multicast it is also a problem, because transit nodes will do no= thing.
Carlos: unicast is one way forward versus multicast which is mult= iple ways forward.
Greg: it may be abused.
Shwetha: it can also be a = problem with existing traceroute, if you flood the network with it.
Greg= : it is an inherent problem with IOAM.
Barak: Greg, can you suggest text= for the security considerations?
Greg: will consider it.
Barak: the = encapsualting node sets the loopback flag, but it is not clear who is going= to use it. If a top-of-rack applies the loopback, the host will get the re= sponses. We need to align who the edge is, and who is the destination of th= e data.
Shwetha: today we just swap the source and destination.
Frank= : we want to try not to over-engineer it.
Barak: we need the "sourc= e" to be the encap node.
Shwetha: depends on the encap.
Greg: th= is discussion is helpful. The scope of loopback assumes that the encap is a= lways IP?
Barak: no. For example it can be applicable to MAC addresses a= s well, with the GRE encapsulation.
Shwetha: wherever we have a source a= nd destination, that would work.
Greg: that is a problem. We should say = it is applicable to encaps that include a source and destination.
Shweth= a: makes sense.
Barak: sure.
Tal: to summarize, the loopback is appli= cable in cases where we have a source and destination?
Greg: applicable= to where we have a source.
Barak: specifically when the loopback receiv= er is the source node.
Greg: not necessarily.
Barak: how do you manag= e it?
Greg: loss and delay measurement in MPLS specifies the address you= have to return to.
Barak: but MPLS is not in scope.
Greg: that was j= ust an example. There may be a case where the returning packet does not ret= urn to the original source.
Barak: the whole point of loopback is to get= back to the encapsulating node. To enhance the performance of traceroute.<= br>Greg: if we care about complex networks.
Barak: that can be done in o= ther ways.
Greg: what is the value of loopback?
Barak: if you need tr= aceroute - this is a way to accelerate it.
Greg: what if it is an SDN se= t by an orchestrator?
Barak: orchestrator is not in our context.
Greg= : loopback gets back to the sender.
Barak: tie the source with encap nod= e.
Ramesh: only the source (encap) can initiate a loopback.
Barak: wh= at happens when a source gets a loopback if he is not the originator.
Gr= eg: is there a way to know whether you generated it or not?
Barak: based= on the source address.
Carlos: it should be dropped if you receive a lo= opback that is not from you.
Frank: right.
Barak: yes.
Tal: any ot= her comments, Barak?
Barak: no.
Frank: what was the number of this is= sue on Github?
Barak: #138.
Tal: any other comments regarding the loo= pback flag?
No further comments.

Active flag discussion
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Greg: what = is the use case of active flag? Who generates the message, who uses it?
= Barak: can you explain the question?
Greg: we already have existing acti= ve OAM protocols. Does it mean that in these use cases the active flag is s= et?
Barak: two different use cases.
Greg: I am asking. What is the us= e case? Is the active flag set by the encap node?
Barak: yes.
Greg: i= s the node that terminates the traffic the decap node?
Barak: yes. It is= not the original packet. You don't drop data packets.
Greg: so why = drop the packet?
Barak: if you want to measure performance then use the = same QoS as the original packets, but if it is not performance then you do = not necessararily use same QoS.
Greg: in BFD you use the same QoS as the= original data.
Barak: BFD is very different.
Greg: the document shou= ld describe what is the use case.
Barak: it is already described.
Fra= nk: the active flag gives protocols the ability to indicate that this is ac= tive OAM. We are not specifying what the active OAM is. any active OAM mech= anism can consider using it. There may be various mechanisms which use this= . For example BFD.
Greg: what if you generate a performance measurement = message?
Barak: if you encap IOAM, then you are an encapsulating node.Tal: right, the encapsulating node generates the active OAM packet.
Ba= rak: if a host sends a test packet through the encap node, then it can tell= the encap node that it is active.
Barak: one of the use cases was cloni= ng a data packet, and setting the active flag in it.
Greg: which documen= t describes this?
Greg: the current draft does not build the case for in= troducing this flag.
Shwetha: what is the concern?
Greg: what is the = reason for introducing more active OAM mechanics. You can already use activ= e OAM. There is no reason to differentiate data packet from test packet.Barak: if you want to measure the performance of data packets, how do you = do it today?
Greg: you have tools today for active OAM.
Barak: some p= eople found this technique useful.
Frank: Greg says there is a set of ac= tive OAM mechanisms. You can push IOAM onto them. why do you need the addit= ional bit?
Barak: Jay suggested it, and Mickey followed up. IOAM is expe= nsive to implement. This mechanism helps make it less expensive.
Frakn: = it helps hardware, and chip vendors see it as helpful.
Greg: please phra= se the way it is used by the implementation, and the fact it helps the hard= ware.
Shwetha: if the flag is set, you avoid the matching for decap, rig= ht?
Barak: the classification will happen anyway.
Frank: emphasize ho= w it helps the implementer.
Tal: to summarize, what we want to do is cla= rify in the flag draft that the active flag helps implementations and simpl= ifies the behavoir of the decap node.

New flag discussion
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Ramesh: there was a = proposal to add a flag for a case where there is an incoming VXLAN, and you= switch to VXLAN-GPE in order to push IOAM. The bit says whether you switch= it back to VXLAN.
Frank: not sure we want a flag for that.
Tal: righ= t, it sounds like a problem at a different layer, not in the IOAM layer.Ramesh: we should continue the discussion when Mickey is present, since he= is the one who suggested it.


Data draft discussion
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Greg: some object= s seem to be presented in two different sizes - long / short format. What i= s the reason for two different formats?
Shwetha: it is an optimization i= ssue, of whether you need a long or short field.
Greg: what is the case = for the long ID and the short ID? Why not one format? It needs to be revisi= ted, or sufficiently explained.
Shwetha: do you think we need a draft th= at clarifies how to use the fields?
Greg: what is the reason for having = two different sizes? Is it historical? There needs to be a strong case.
= Frank: we need to go and clarify it. Probably in the deployment draft and n= ot the data draft. It is not an issue of whether I use long or short. You c= an actually use one of them or a combination of the two, allowing you an ev= en longer space.
Greg: then why not variable length?
Frank: variable = length is much more difficult for hardware.
Greg: it is already very com= plex to have so many combinations of different options.
Frank: that is w= hy we have a bit field, which is more friendly than a TLV. We have opaque s= tate field which allows you to do whatever you want.
Greg: it is not a q= uestion of why fixed format is more friendly than TLV. People will be imple= menting it. Why not simplify?
Frank: that is what we tried to do by fixe= d fields.
Al: multiple lengths for timestamps have been around for a lon= g time.
Greg: NTP and PTP have different formats, but test protocols hav= e a very specific timestamp length.
Tal: bottom line, how should we impr= ove the document?
Greg: either use a TLV, or make it the largest size, a= nd explain how it can be used to represent the short fields as a subset of = the bits.
Shwetha: that would not work.
Rakesh: you are using extra s= pace for that. That will not work.
Frank: we can raise it to the working= group.
Barak: many operators complain about the overhead.
Greg: how = about you keep the small fields, and allow the long format using a TLV?
= Barak: complicated.
Frank: we can discuss it.
Shwetha: do we really w= ant to do that?
Frank: it is a fair question, to consider dropping the l= ong format.
Barak: this was brought up in the past. We have a TLV, but i= t cannot be controlled from the edge. How can you use the TLV from the edge= ?



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Tuesday, November 19th, 2019
12:00
Mee= ting Minutes
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Attendees
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Tal Mizrahi, Barak Gafni, Greg Mirsky, Shwetha Bhandari, Justin Iurman,= Ramesh Sivakolundu, Frank Brockners, Roni Even.


IPv6 Option dra= ft discussion
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Tal: any open issues on the data draft?
F= rank: the IPv6 open issue on the IPPM meeting: the text in the draft was in= tentional in order to comply with RFC 8200. If you receive a packet that ha= s an IOAM extended header on an interface that is not supposed to receive i= t, it must be dropped.
Ramesh: so you are forcing a configuration on the= port?
Frank: right. That is implied by RFC 8200. Intended to prevent in= formation leaking to the global internet.
Barak: on the ingress or egres= s interface?
Frank: not sure about the exact text.
Greg: be conservat= ive in what you send and liberal in what you receive. If you send something= that is not allowed that breaks the rules.
Barak: the question is if th= e configuration is an ingress property, an egress property, or both.
Jus= tin: in the kernel there is a distinction between ingress and egress.
Ba= rak: LACP is a unidirectional configuration.
Frank: after checking the d= ocument: the current phrasing in the draft talks about ingress behavior.Ramesh: so the comment from 6MAN was that it should be dropped if received= through an interface that is not enabled for IOAM?
Frank: right.
Gre= g: so if a router is not IOAM capable then it would not be able to know wha= t IOAM is.
Frank: right.
Tal: so today if you receive an unknown exte= nsion header you drop the packet?
Frank: no.
Greg: RFC 8200 is compli= cated.
Roni: the right way is to have correct behavior even if you do no= t know what IOAM is.
Greg: not sending it silently is the right way.
= Shwetha: we want for nodes that do not know IOAM to forward the packet, but= nodes that are IOAM aware but not enabled for IOAM should drop.
Frank: = right, that is what the text says.
Tal: to summarize, at this point we a= re keeping the text as-is?
Frank: subject to comments we may receive on = the mailing list.


IOAM Profile Draft
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Tal: the IOAM profile draft defines the c= oncept of a profile, which is a specific use case that uses a specific subs= et of IOAM features. An IOAM profile may be defined with the help of assign= ing a specific allocation to the IOAM Yang model. Question: do we need a sp= ecific Yang model for the IOAM profile draft, or can we just use the IOAM Y= ang model?
Frank: we can change the existing yang model if necessary.Tal: a profile can be defined by a document, and assigning a value to the = IOAM Yang model helps to specify the profile. However, some aspects cannot = be defining using the IOAM Yang model. For example, a profile may define sp= ecific semantics for the Opaque State Snapshot, and such semantics cannot b= e defined by simply assigning a value in a Yang model.
Frank: does this= limit the generality of the Opaque field?
Barak: somewhere it needs to = be specified.
Greg: the YANG model is read / write, so let's not lim= it its functionality.
Tal: right, but the Yang model is used for config= uration, not for reading the IOAM data itself. I suggest to use the existin= g IOAM Yang model. Additional functionality like opaque fields should be de= fined in the respective document that specifies the profile.
Greg: the s= emantics also need to be configured. How to do that?
Tal: are you saying= that the profile defines the opaque field and also amendment to Yang model= that allows to configure it?
Greg: yes.
Shwetha: only the schema?Tal: yes.
Barak: are we maintaining the Yang model?
Frank: yes.
R= amesh: the model needs work.
Tal: to summarize, does it make sense that = we use the existing IOAM Yang model and in addition a profile may augment t= he model in order to define functionality that is specific to that profile?=
Frank: yes, let's not define something new for each profile.

Multicast discussion
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Barak: someone said the current draft supports only unic= ast.
Greg: not me. People do not think about the implications of collect= ing the data on data packets, since packets are replicated in multicast.Barak: we need to think about whether the current draft supports multicast= . In my opinion yes. We need to think how we can optimize multicast.
Gre= g: the DEX proposal is applicable to multicast. I do not think that DEX has= this problem. I think that in DEX there is an issue about correlation.
= Barak: do you agree that the current IOAM supports multicast, and that we m= ay need another draft for multicast?
Greg: DEX is okay with multicast. T= here is a proposal of how to resolve the correlation problem. Regarding hop= -by-hop option, this needs more discussion about how it is affected by mult= icast.
No objections.
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We've discussed this in-person, and a short summary follows below. Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nieminen Klaus > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:33 AM > To: ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] Estimating IP layer capacity in draft-morton-ippm- > capacity-metric-method >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have one question on how much this metric restricts the measurement > setup and e.g. can WebTransport be used in the measurement? As I > understand this, if we are running the measurement at the application > layer, we can measure application layer (e.g. HTTP/3) payload. This again > means that we can only estimate the IP layer capacity as we do not have > full information about the header sizes or potential retransmissions. I > think we can estimate this with a certain error margin, but I was not sur= e > if this is fine according to the metric. [acm]=20 It should be possible to obtain information from the host OS about the=20 lower layers in use, such as v4 or v6, ETH or WiFi or Cellular LTE/5G. But there may be cases where some work is necessary to pass system info to the measurement application. We need to use UDP for transport: error distributions with TCP are seen=20 to be time and technology dependent. TCP's congestion-awareness based on packet loss, window sizes, reordering, and duplicate packets make for an underestimate, which is often significant and highly variable. Many test results illustrating the error have been shared. >=20 > I have not studied this much further, but started to think this question > when I read the part 5.3. Metric Definitions that talks a case where the > packet size is known and of fixed size, but is this really the case? > Should there be more flexibility to also be able to estimate the IP layer > capacity from the application layer measurement results? I think this > should be clarified. [acm]=20 It's very much easier to do the layer conversions when we use UDP, with fixed and known sizes, but there are cases where we might want to=20 allow a portion of two sizes. =20 @@@@ update text with this idea. >=20 > And if we think this should be possible, at least I think it would be > useful to add how this estimation can be done to the metric itself as the > target is to harmonize the specified metric and this is not specified, it > may lead discrepancies between implementations. [acm]=20 @@@@ Layer conversion: The authors have lots of details on these calculations, having done many of them during lab and field tests and tool development. >=20 > Any thoughts on this? >=20 > Best, Klaus >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DCkKxfs26ipBr8nSSaJUfs8BB= GtBje > wOBqsS1FBX9cJk&s=3DxST_c50cCPP49eav2yMJWG-osdzvmay-ZZ02x6M5X8s&e=3D From nobody Thu Nov 21 19:36:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F243120103; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:36:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157439377399.32324.16922500213334142194@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:36:14 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-21.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 03:36:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Registry for Performance Metrics Authors : Marcelo Bagnulo Benoit Claise Philip Eardley Al Morton Aamer Akhter Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-21.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This document defines the format for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. This document also gives a set of guidelines for Registered Performance Metric requesters and reviewers. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 21 19:52:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0767D1200E5; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:52:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157439475297.32308.9992910147388097939@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:52:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-13.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 03:52:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Initial Performance Metrics Registry Entries Authors : Al Morton Marcelo Bagnulo Philip Eardley Kevin D'Souza Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-13.txt Pages : 77 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This memo defines the set of Initial Entries for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. The set includes, UDP Round-trip Latency and Loss, Packet Delay Variation, DNS Response Latency and Loss, UDP Poisson One-way Delay and Loss, UDP Periodic One-way Delay and Loss, ICMP Round-trip Latency and Loss, and TCP round-trip Latency and Loss. 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This topic was one of the reasons IPPM was formed, so definitely in-scope (even though we have updated=20 the charter a few times). I feel we achieved a=20 fairly mature document in-time for this meeting,=20 benefitting from many comments on the list. regards, and thanks to all who offered their support so far! Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell > (IETF) > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:57 PM > To: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-metho= d >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity= - > metric-method-01 as as a working group document. >=20 > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: >=20 > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough > to be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DSB1WFF3BFyt_jjotCVUQzfpb= kwFeW > pnXSDxUW7dcKGM&s=3DqH6cVD7H62RmKC0DIockMF8I2NcC2v-qoWTfZKMWXLE&e=3D From nobody Fri Nov 22 05:09:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD444120147 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:09:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YYxiCr94HdCE for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnet.fi.uba.ar (cnet.fi.uba.ar [157.92.58.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348E7120043 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B015140077 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:08:56 -0300 (ART) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cnet.fi.uba.ar Received: from cnet.fi.uba.ar ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cnet.fi.uba.ar [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8lGZDRrf-hv for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:08:46 -0300 (ART) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (flame.uba.ar [157.92.58.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 178F3140068 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:08:44 -0300 (ART) From: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:08:41 -0300 References: To: IETF IPPM WG In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:09:06 -0000 Dear all, I support this draft as an author, and I think it is ready for = publication. I only suggest some minor modifications on section 7 (the = last paragraphs) to clarify the spirit of the text:=20 Where it says : =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D8<---------------------- Even though a particular hop may be understood as the amount of hops away from the source, a more detailed classification could be used. For example, a possible classification may be identify ICMP Time Exceeded packets coming from the same routers to those who have the same hop distance, IP address of the router which is replying and TTL or Hop Limit value of the received ICMP packet. Thus, the proposed methodology is based on this algorithm: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1 input: W (window time of the measurement) 2 i_t (time between two measurements) 3 E (True: exhaustive, False: a single path) 4 Dst (destination IP address) 5 output: Qs (quartiles for every hop and alt in the path(s) to Dst) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 6 T 8-------- Should by replace by: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D8<-------=20 The identification of a specific Hop in traceroute is based on the IP = origin address of the returned ICMP Time Exceeded packet, and on the = distance identified by the value set in the TTL field inserted by = traceroute. As this specific Hop can be reached by different paths, also = the IP source and destination addresses of the traceroute packet need to = be recorded. Finally, different return paths are distinguished by = evaluating the ICMP Time Exceeded TTL (of the reply message): if this = TTL is constant for different paths containing the same Hop, the return = paths have the same distance. Moreover, this distance can be estimated = considering that the TTL value is normally initialized with values 64, = 128, or 255. The 5-tuple (origin IP, destination IP, reply IP, distance, = response TTL) univocally identifies every measurement. This algorithm below runs in the origin of the traceroute. It returns = the Qs quartiles for every Hop and Alt (alternative paths because of = balancing). The following parameters are used: W window time of the = measurement, i_t time between two measurements, Dst destination IP = address. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1 input: W (window time of the measurement) 2 i_t (time between two measurements) 3 E (True: exhaustive, False: a single path) 4 Dst (destination IP address) 5 output: Qs (quartiles for every Hop and Alt) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 6 T :=3D start_timer(W) 7 while T is not finished do: 8 | start_timer(i_t) 9 | RTD(Hop,Alt) =3D advanced-traceroute(Dst,E) 10 | for each Hop and Alt in RTD do: 11 | | Qs[Dst,Hop,Alt] :=3D ComputeQs(RTD(Hop,Alt)) 12 | done 13 | wait until i_t timer is expired 14 done 15 return (Qs) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D During the time W, lines 6 and 7 assure that the measurement loop is = made. Line 8 and 13 set a timer for each cycle of measurements. A cycle = comprises the traceroutes packets, considering every possible Hop and = the alternatives paths in the Alt variable (ensured in lines 9-12). = Finally, lines 10 and 12 stores each measurement into the real-time = quartiles computation. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>8----- Best regards, Ignacio _______________________________________________________________ Dr. Ing. Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin CONICET and Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa, Universidad de Buenos Aires Av. Paseo Col=C3=B3n 850 - C1063ACV - Buenos Aires - Argentina +54 (11) 5285 0716 / 5285 0705 e-mail: ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar web: http://cnet.fi.uba.ar/ignacio.alvarez-hamelin/ _______________________________________________________________ > On 17 Nov 2019, at 23:40, Brian Trammell (IETF) = wrote: >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group intends to send draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 to the = IESG for publication. This message begins a Working Group Last Call on = to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org = stating whether you believe the document is ready for publication, and = if not, please explain why not and/org provide comments to improve the = document for publication. >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Fri Nov 22 05:12:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E463120289 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KtKHDdl_3yci for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnet.fi.uba.ar (cnet.fi.uba.ar [157.92.58.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE0B4120147 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA8D140077 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:12:30 -0300 (ART) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cnet.fi.uba.ar Received: from cnet.fi.uba.ar ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cnet.fi.uba.ar [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuyvUKOppBRy for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:12:21 -0300 (ART) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (flame.uba.ar [157.92.58.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cnet.fi.uba.ar (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CDEF140068 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:12:21 -0300 (ART) From: J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:12:21 -0300 References: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> To: IETF IPPM WG In-Reply-To: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> Message-Id: <5BBD87DD-DFD5-4748-BB2D-142B5434C6E8@cnet.fi.uba.ar> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:12:37 -0000 Dear all, I think this draft in in the scope of the group, and it present a very = relevant and important problem.=20 I am able to review it.=20 Best, Ignacio=20 _______________________________________________________________ Dr. Ing. Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin CONICET and Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa, Universidad de Buenos Aires Av. Paseo Col=C3=B3n 850 - C1063ACV - Buenos Aires - Argentina +54 (11) 5285 0716 / 5285 0705 e-mail: ihameli@cnet.fi.uba.ar web: http://cnet.fi.uba.ar/ignacio.alvarez-hamelin/ _______________________________________________________________ > On 18 Nov 2019, at 00:56, Brian Trammell (IETF) = wrote: >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt = draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method-01 as as a working group = document. >=20 > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. = Please send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: >=20 > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature = enough to be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Sat Nov 23 01:35:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B11E120817 for ; 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Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:48:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4460_1571933453_5DB1CD0D_4460_57_4_5AE9CCAA1B4A2248AB61B4C7F0AD5FB931F030A0@OPEXCAUBM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <1572918247420.10381@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <5df30dd2-6841-7140-43bf-8c1b9603653f@erg.abdn.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5df30dd2-6841-7140-43bf-8c1b9603653f@erg.abdn.ac.uk> From: Ian Swett Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:48:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: Gorry Fairhurst Cc: "Joel M. Halpern" , Peter Gutmann , "tsvwg@ietf.org" , "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" , tsvwg-chairs , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "quic@ietf.org" , "saag@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000008409405980dd87a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [OPSAWG] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:48:35 -0000 --00000000000008409405980dd87a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think it's ok to publish a document with the stated goals, but I think this needs to be done with great care and the current document implies some value judgements and implications I don't think are fully justified by the document. A 3rd author with a slightly different perspective may help achieve the right balance. In section 2, I believe you should note that the reason transport headers have been exposed in the past is largely an accident, and what is exposed may not be optimal for network monitoring and management purposes. For example, TCPs ACKs are a suboptimal way to measure network RTT unless timestamps are available. And tracking losses requires substantial state and assumptions about the loss detection algorithm on the part of the observer. The section(2.1) on transport ossification and middleboxes is well done, thanks! *Detailed points: * 2: Context and Rationale "To achieve stable Internet operations, the IETF transport community has to date relied heavily on the results of measurements and the insights of the network operations.." The use of 'stable' here implies that without these measurements the internet would be unstable. I understand what you're trying to say, but this needs a reword to avoid the implied collapse of the internet. I'd suggest you remove the word stable from this document, as it occurs 2 other times in similar context. 2.3 I think this section is too vague. The phrase "can be used" is used frequently, but without a clear understanding of what the transport headers are used for. After reading further, some of this is defined in section 3.1.2, so maybe a forward reference is in order. 3.1.2: "Throughput and Goodput" - Throughput seems to overlap with "Traffic Rate and Volume". I'd suggest reorganizing these into two items, one for Goodput and one for Throughput/Traffic Rate/etc. 6.5: "Concealing transport header..." Do you mean encrypting, or is there some other method you have in mind? This word is used 9 times in the document and I don't think it's a good word choice. 7: "To achieve stable Internet operations, the IETF transport community has, to date, relied heavily on measurement and insights of the network operations community to understand the trade-offs, and to inform selection of appropriate mechanisms, to ensure a safe, reliable, and robust Internet (e.g., [RFC1273],[RFC2914])." I don't believe RFC2914 should be grouped with RFC1273. 2914 is about principles, and 1273 is about measurement. Based on my reading, 2914 does not provide evidence that measurement is necessary in order to achieve the desired principles. Also, one of these RFCs is almost 20 years old and the other is almost 30. I don't think these are good support for the thesis that network operators measurement abilities have been critical to what you're claiming, even if it is still true today. Thanks, Ian On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:27 AM Gorry Fairhurst wrote: > Thanks for the various comments on process. > > I expect both editors and the Chairs to work with our AD to confirm the > intended scope, and then to decide on the next steps. This author wants > to clarify how IETF transport protocols have been designed and have > been/are being used. > > Gorry (as one of the editors of this document). > > > On 05/11/2019 02:39, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other > > RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor. That sort of > > publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream. > > > > Yours, > > Joel > > > > On 11/4/2019 9:34 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM Peter Gutmann > >> > wrote: > >> > >> I actually think it's a pretty good summary, and delivers exactly > >> what's > >> promised in the title. OTOH I can also see that it's going to get > >> bikeshedded > >> to death, and will probably never be editable into a form where > >> people won't > >> complain about it no matter how many changes are made. > >> Alternatively, it'll > >> end up watered down to a point where no-one can complain any more > >> but it won't > >> say anything terribly useful by then. > >> > >> Perhaps it could be published as is with a comment that it > >> represents the > >> opinions of the authors? Although given that it's Informational > >> and not > >> Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a given anyway. > >> > >> > >> Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a > >> statement that they have IETF Consensus. > >> > >> See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#section-3.2.1 > >> > >> > >> -Ekr > >> > >> > >> Peter. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OPSAWG mailing list > >> OPSAWG@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > >> > > --00000000000008409405980dd87a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think it's ok to publish a document with the st= ated goals, but I think this needs to be done with great care and the curre= nt document implies some value judgements and implications I don't thin= k are fully justified by the document.=C2=A0 A 3rd author with a slightly d= ifferent perspective may help achieve the right balance.

In section 2, I believe you should note that the reason transport he= aders have been exposed in the past is largely an accident, and what is exp= osed may not be optimal for network monitoring and management purposes.=C2= =A0 For example, TCPs ACKs are a suboptimal way to measure network RTT unle= ss timestamps are available. And tracking losses requires substantial state= and assumptions about the loss detection algorithm on the part of the obse= rver.

The section(2.1) on transport ossif= ication and middleboxes is well done, thanks!


Detailed points:=C2=A0=C2=A0
<= div>
2: Context and Rationale
=C2=A0"To achiev= e stable Internet operations, the IETF transport community
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0has to date relied heavily on the results of measurements and the
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0insights of the network operations.."

The= use of 'stable' here implies that without these measurements the i= nternet would be unstable.=C2=A0 I understand what you're trying to say= , but this needs a reword to avoid the implied collapse of the internet.=C2= =A0 I'd suggest you remove the word stable from this document, as it oc= curs 2 other times in similar context.

2.3

I think this section is too vague.=C2=A0 The phrase= "can be used" is used frequently, but without a clear understand= ing of what the transport headers are used for.=C2=A0 After reading further= , some of this is defined in section 3.1.2, so maybe a forward reference is= in order.

3.1.2:

"T= hroughput and Goodput" - Throughput seems to overlap with "Traffi= c Rate and Volume".=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'd suggest reorganizing these int= o two items, one for Goodput and one for Throughput/Traffic Rate/etc.
=

6.5:

"Concealing transpor= t header..." Do you mean encrypting, or is there some other method you= have in mind?=C2=A0 This word is used 9 times in the document and I don= 9;t think it's a good word choice.

7:

=C2=A0"To achieve stable Internet operations, the IET= F transport community
=C2=A0 =C2=A0has, to date, relied heavily on measu= rement and insights of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0network operations community to = understand the trade-offs, and to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0inform selection of appro= priate mechanisms, to ensure a safe,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0reliable, and robust I= nternet (e.g., [RFC1273],[RFC2914])."

I d= on't believe RFC2914 should be grouped with RFC1273.=C2=A0 2914 is abou= t principles, and 1273 is about measurement.=C2=A0 Based on my reading, 291= 4 does not provide evidence that measurement is necessary in order to achie= ve=C2=A0the desired principles.

Also, one of these= RFCs is almost 20 years old and the other is almost 30.=C2=A0 I don't = think these are good support for the thesis that network operators measurem= ent abilities have been critical to what you're claiming, even if it is= still true today.

Thanks, Ian


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:27 AM Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> wrote:
<= /div>
Thanks for the vario= us comments on process.

I expect both editors and the Chairs to work with our AD to confirm the intended scope, and then to decide on the next steps. This author wants to clarify how IETF transport protocols have been designed and have
been/are being used.

Gorry (as one of the editors of this document).


On 05/11/2019 02:39, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> If the authors want to publish it as an RFC so as to comment on other =
> RFCs, they could approach the Independent Stream Editor.=C2=A0 That so= rt of
> publication is one of the explicit purposes of the Independent Stream.=
>
> Yours,
> Joel
>
> On 11/4/2019 9:34 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:44 PM Peter Gutmann
>> <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz <mailto:pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>> wrote:<= br> >>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I actually think it's a pretty good summary= , and delivers exactly
>> what's
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 promised in the title.=C2=A0 OTOH I can also se= e that it's going to get
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bikeshedded
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to death, and will probably never be editable i= nto a form where
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 people won't
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 complain about it no matter how many changes ar= e made.
>> Alternatively, it'll
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 end up watered down to a point where no-one can= complain any more
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 but it won't
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 say anything terribly useful by then.
>>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps it could be published as is with a comm= ent that it
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 represents the
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opinions of the authors?=C2=A0 Although given t= hat it's Informational
>> and not
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Standards-track or a BCP, that should be a give= n anyway.
>>
>>
>> Actually, no. Most IETF documents, even informational ones, bear a=
>> statement that they have IETF Consensus.
>>
>> See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#s= ection-3.2.1
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5741#s= ection-3..2.1>
>>
>> -Ekr
>>
>>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Peter.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OPSAWG mailing list
>> OPSAWG@ietf.o= rg
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg
>>

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From: Giuseppe Fioccola To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export Thread-Index: AQHVncLElVuAJuI70katIvbgkd1krKebrKJA Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:45:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.153.182.77] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:45:15 -0000 Dear All, I support the adoption of this draft. I think it is useful to integrate the DEX option into IOAM. Regards, Giuseppe -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF= ) Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:46 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. 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draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export Thread-Index: AQHVncLD/lBv7KoFY0OBAN50lQNA0qebKGwAgAHeetA= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.176.239] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:22:02 -0000 Dear All, I support the adoption of this draft.=20 It's very useful. Regards, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF= ) Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:46 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Tue Nov 26 01:21:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC171200E6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:21:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ot2AccIW9w8p for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D06DF120025 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 258C0CC10F03B8C20174; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:21:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.44) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:21:42 +0000 Received: from lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) by lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:21:42 +0000 Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:21:42 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:21:38 +0800 From: Dangjuanna To: "Ackermann, Michael" , "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method Thread-Index: AQHVncRKgdh4b1mghE+GxT5Ntyavx6eTTm+AgAnfVvA= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:21:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <6B233CAB-7D88-4258-8C8D-BCA99E4E3C48@trammell.ch> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.176.239] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:21:47 -0000 Hi all, I support the adoption of this draft and I think it is useful to optimize t= he network. Only clearly obtaining path capacity measured, network optimiza= tion will become targeted. In the last 3 meetings, I have been focusing on multi-path load sharing ,pa= th experience optimization and dealing with microburst traffic. So I submitted draft-dang-ippm-congestion and draft-dang-ippm-multiple-path= -measurement at the IETF 104, draft-liu-ican at the IETF 105. And these doc= uments has been being updated simultaneously. The path congestion metric defined is not only to determine whether the pat= h is congested but also to obtain the capacity of the path. The purpose is = to allow service flows to be load-balanced to the available paths. Therefore, the capacity of the IP path is mentioned in this document and I = think we still has a common understanding. I already have a more detailed and deep analysis and ways of the path capac= ity, and hope to contribute them to this document in the future. Best wishes, Joanna -----Original Message----- From: ippm On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF) Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:57 PM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method [External email] Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-morton-ippm-capacity-m= etric-method-01 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Plea= se send a message to ippm@ietf.orgindicating: - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough to= be a WG document, and if not, why not - whether you are willing to review the document Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm The information contained in this communication is highly confidential and = is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom this communicat= ion is directed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby noti= fied that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution of this informat= ion is prohibited. Please notify the sender, by electronic mail or telephon= e, of any unintended receipt and delete the original message without making= any copies. =20 Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan and Blue Care Network of Michigan are n= onprofit corporations and independent licensees of the Blue Cross and Blue = Shield Association. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Wed Nov 27 13:35:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEE91209E3; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:35:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157489050536.21824.14817350395474034884@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:35:05 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:35:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Registry for Performance Metrics Authors : Marcelo Bagnulo Benoit Claise Philip Eardley Al Morton Aamer Akhter Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2019-11-27 Abstract: This document defines the format for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. This document also gives a set of guidelines for Registered Performance Metric requesters and reviewers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Nov 27 13:36:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC6C1209E3; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:36:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157489060878.21939.11094053936869325496@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:36:48 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:36:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Initial Performance Metrics Registry Entries Authors : Al Morton Marcelo Bagnulo Philip Eardley Kevin D'Souza Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14.txt Pages : 77 Date : 2019-11-27 Abstract: This memo defines the set of Initial Entries for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. The set includes, UDP Round-trip Latency and Loss, Packet Delay Variation, DNS Response Latency and Loss, UDP Poisson One-way Delay and Loss, UDP Periodic One-way Delay and Loss, ICMP Round-trip Latency and Loss, and TCP round-trip Latency and Loss. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Nov 27 17:06:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA47120B1B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHZteRKJ5MCD for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A6412003E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.17]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app12-12012 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eec5ddf1d7b57a-10f09; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:06:03 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eec5ddf1d7b57a-10f09 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmccPC (unknown[223.69.29.154]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr09-12009 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee95ddf1d7948f-58199; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:06:03 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee95ddf1d7948f-58199 From: "qinfengwei" To: "'Brian Trammell \(IETF'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:06:08 +0800 Message-ID: <006001d5a588$05415280$0fc3f780$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01D5A5CB.13649280" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHVncLDddFe0BPuOU2rQe6KgPS5KKedThDhgAKFGwA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIEFkb3B0aW9uIENhbGwgZm9yIGRyYWZ0LWlv?= =?gb2312?b?YW10ZWFtLWlwcG0taW9hbS1kaXJlY3QtZXhwb3J0?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 01:06:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D5A5CB.13649280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have read this draft and think it mature enough to be a WG document. =20 =20 Thanks & BR, Fengwei Qin =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Brian Trammell (IETF) =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA IETF IPPM WG =D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [ippm] Adoption Call for = draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export =CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2019-11-18 11:46:30 =20 Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group = document. 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         I have read this = draft and think it mature enough to be a WG = document.

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Thanks & BR,

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=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA = IETF IPPM WG<ippm@ietf.org>

=

=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [ippm] Adoption Call for = draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export

=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2019-11-18 11:46:30

 

Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group = has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 as as = a working group document.

This message begins an adoption call to = end on Monday 9 December 2019. Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org = indicating:

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Best regards, Mach > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell > (IETF) > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:46 AM > To: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm- > ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document. >=20 > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: >=20 > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough = to > be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Thu Nov 28 23:07:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988CB120013 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Dear IPPM WG, I support the adoption of this draft.=20 I think DEX is a smart option to declare which packets should be exported t= o data collection in transit and which not. Best Wishes Thomas Graf -----Original Message----- From: ippm On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF) Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:46 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export Greetings, all, The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-dir= ect-export-00 as as a working group document. This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. 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Dear IPPM WG,
 
I have read the draft, and think it's useful and= support for WG adoption.
 
Best regards,
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Best Wishes
Hang Yuan
 
 
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From: ippm <ipp= m-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Brian Trammell (IETF)
Sent: = Monday, November 18, 2019 4:46 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf= .org>
Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-i= oam-direct-export
 
Greetings, all,
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The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamtea= m-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document.
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This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 Dece= mber 2019. Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating:
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- whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and = mature enough to be a WG document, and if not, why not
- whether= you are willing to review the document
 
Many th= anks, cheers,
 
Brian (as co-chair)
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