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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 09:10:53 -0000 Delayed because of travel: yes, as co-author I believe that the document is ready for publication (Ignacio's latest comments should be included). regards Joachim On 11/18/19 3:40 AM, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: > Greetings, all, > > The IPPM working group intends to send draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 to the IESG for publication. 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Mon, 2 Dec 2019 15:41:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2019 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) From: "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" To: IETF IPPM WG , "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Message-ID: <154319437.7619650.1575301292675@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7619649_772070173.1575301292673" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14728 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/78.0.3904.108 Safari/537.36 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 15:41:39 -0000 ------=_Part_7619649_772070173.1575301292673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian & IPPM, I believe the document is ready for publication.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is detailed= and thorough in defining metrics and terms for the changing nature of rout= ing. >From the point of view of enterprises, today what we have is is definitely = not "your grandfather's route".=C2=A0 =C2=A0Servers may reside on WAN, clou= d, hybrid-cloud, and so forth.=C2=A0 =C2=A0When we think of really using DN= S-Service Discovery (potentially with IPv6 Anycast) for highly dynamic topo= logy, then measurement and notation of the multiple paths for routing becom= es critical. I support this document.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am especially pleased with the notin= g the reality of parallel and cloud subpaths. Parallel Paths: Parallel paths are a reality of the Internet and a strength of advanced route assessment methods, so the metric must acknowledge this possibility. Use of Equal Cost Multi-Path (ECMP) and Unequal Cost Multi-Path (UCMP) technologies are common sources of parallel subpaths. Cloud Subpath: May contain hosts that do not decrement TTL or Hop Limit, but may have two or more exchange links connecting "discoverable" hosts or routers. Parallel subpaths contained within clouds cannot be discovered. The assessment methods only discover hosts or routers on the path that decrement TTL or Hop Count, or cooperate with interrogation protocols. The presence of tunnels and nested tunnels further complicate assessment by hiding hops. Thanks, Nalini Elkins CEO and Founder Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360=20 On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 06:41:03 PM PST, Brian Trammell (IETF) wrote: =20 =20 Greetings, all, The IPPM working group intends to send draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 to the IESG= for publication. This message begins a Working Group Last Call on to end o= n Monday 9 December 2019. Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org stating wh= ether you believe the document is ready for publication, and if not, please= explain why not and/org provide comments to improve the document for publi= cation. Many thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm =20 ------=_Part_7619649_772070173.1575301292673 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian & IPPM,

I believe the document is ready for publication.   It is = detailed and thorough in defining metrics and terms for the changing nature= of routing.

From the point of view of enterprises, today= what we have is is definitely not "your grandfather's route".   = Servers may reside on WAN, cloud, hybrid-cloud, and so forth.   W= hen we think of really using DNS-Service Discovery (potentially with IPv6 A= nycast) for highly dynamic topology, then measurement and notation of the m= ultiple paths for routing becomes critical.

I support thi= s document.   I am especially pleased with the noting the reality= of parallel and cloud subpaths.

 Parallel Paths:  Parallel paths are a reality of the =
Internet and a
      strength of advanced route assessment methods, so the metric must
      acknowledge this possibility.  Use of Equal Cost Multi-Path (ECMP)
      and Unequal Cost Multi-Path (UCMP) technologies are common sources
      of parallel subpaths.

   Cloud Subpath:  May contain hosts that do not decrement TTL or Hop
      Limit, but may have two or more exchange links connecting
      "discoverable" hosts or routers.  Parallel subpaths contained
      within clouds cannot be discovered.  The assessment methods only
      discover hosts or routers on the path that decrement TTL or Hop
      Count, or cooperate with interrogation protocols.  The presence of
      tunnels and nested tunnels further complicate assessment by hiding
      hops.



Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Prod= ucts, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360


=20
=20
On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 06:41:03 PM PST, Brian Tr= ammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:


Greetings, all,

The IPPM working group intends to send draf= t-ietf-ippm-route-06 to the IESG for publication. This message begins a Wor= king Group Last Call on to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Please send a mes= sage to i= ppm@ietf.org stating whether you believe the document is ready for publ= ication, and if not, please explain why not and/org provide comments to imp= rove the document for publication.

Many thanks, cheers,

Brian (as co-chair)
_________________= ______________________________
ippm mailing list<= br>
------=_Part_7619649_772070173.1575301292673-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 00:48:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694FE1201B7 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 00:48:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sBHaV9FOGvoM for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 00:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D07B61201AA for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 00:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 8689B3A93A9D96BDF2C3; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:48:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMM422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.39) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:48:01 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.24]) by dggemm422-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 16:47:54 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export Thread-Index: AQHVncLDHpeClftEkEWwiGGHORm+4qeoL61A Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD27D24093@DGGEMM506-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.202.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 08:48:05 -0000 Hi, I support the adoption of this draft. I have one comment, the IANA section specify a registry for the IOAM DEX Fl= ags. There are no initial values yet the draft mentions in the consideratio= n section the loopback flag so is loopback supported by this draft? What about the overflow flag? Roni Even=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell > (IETF) > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:46 AM > To: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm- > ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document. >=20 > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: >=20 > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough = to > be a WG document, and if not, why not > - whether you are willing to review the document >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Tue Dec 3 04:36:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DCE1200B1 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 04:36:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GmzfRBd_9_7j for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 04:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com (mail-wm1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79D15120020 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 04:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id p17so3267825wmi.3 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 04:36:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PHUb3tnpKSbcBABGbhBL5wBeTxhiL0mcLIyJciY+0/s=; b=XCiq5v7VE8tLnEeIl4oY6Xggg7ND5VxS1izzXxmAln1ZSZ8bA83Xn533Jp5j5bhQWk mH2QAfh5brgjp7MwiCdeIPo08ARwse1sLNPaEWXuHXRFOLLg2YniCMKm/FdPYBVUcjtK LJO44dL9nm5KpoQ2nvVSj7c7bcdJ68itMHIjzaWUirxtEvpdtK9QFrR342OoS+08fAq1 Tb+GUuPtLVm9ALRVp+PrXuGHdv8OWj0aywXoWFCTTGdLncrWvM+V4pPfONLicsAxKitC LuBwoFV/YWoWzn/GPwuMfmyIlNxKFGATOcSQQT/QlnxRkJ9RgpA3ZJMaqPCmdw5CXfQB MJvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PHUb3tnpKSbcBABGbhBL5wBeTxhiL0mcLIyJciY+0/s=; b=OJKB/ZNiQx3LxHXDg9bnJuV6uAI2+IIgahdI/eSB9B356SU+VpmlcjTSDeq2b3pq94 4P1LPNKxzW9r49neix3USJOz206c2h1vN+uFpIFgnF0NQ794SlfG0uMPRl0QjqdrtuqG ZNdV9yrSFN0XEGF2pZHsrYi722K1Rtftsq8mIbjr7De9nUCQC3muzTao9zSeE2hvrV/t YlRVMlotcJu6ryUfDFODqqkamTLHeax8pCMzVCsubhq5U0oyIBnUUWyB73YKNVJGiVvy 02zTfrS5nuOMLo4z5VwwAHLDM3W7oW8m/w/d71amHYo+M4QC5ytpFe/nPID/OiCcGH+V ebow== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXD3ueyZb2nNvBFzuZBQ3oWG4FO+OgTiGTHDiV2LubFFxprjd6R fc4nqouakiQ+4ujntd53tZDTDApQsckxQVta5dqGJX2M1oE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzafJVSvWsZtihEVX4hFC8b3un8kWvg86hB45VoRINQzjBTOs9alDebzMNsXh+NsQuboOpPe7vtL/lkZOKXh9Y= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:39c4:: with SMTP id g187mr36337447wma.78.1575376578917; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 04:36:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD27D24093@DGGEMM506-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD27D24093@DGGEMM506-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Tal Mizrahi Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:36:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Roni Even (A)" Cc: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" , IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005fbefd0598cbf179" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:36:22 -0000 --0000000000005fbefd0598cbf179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Roni, The loopback flag is not relevant to the direct exporting option type. The fact that loopback is mentioned in the draft is a copy+paste error, and will be fixed in the next revision. The overflow flag is relevant to the increment/preallocated trace options (draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data), and is not applicable to direct exporting; since no data fields are present in the DEX option itself there is no need for an overflow indication. The exported packet itself (which is not defined in the DEX draft) will include the IOAM data, and possibly also the overflow indication. Thanks for the comments. Cheers, Tal. On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:48 AM Roni Even (A) wrote: > Hi, > I support the adoption of this draft. > > I have one comment, the IANA section specify a registry for the IOAM DEX > Flags. There are no initial values yet the draft mentions in the > consideration section the loopback flag so is loopback supported by this > draft? > What about the overflow flag? > > Roni Even > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell > > (IETF) > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:46 AM > > To: IETF IPPM WG > > Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export > > > > Greetings, all, > > > > The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm- > > ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document. > > > > This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019. > > Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating: > > > > - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enough > to > > be a WG document, and if not, why not > > - whether you are willing to review the document > > > > Many thanks, cheers, > > > > Brian (as co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > > ippm mailing list > > ippm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --0000000000005fbefd0598cbf179 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roni,

The loopback flag is not relev= ant to the direct exporting option type. The fact that loopback is mentione= d in the draft is a copy+paste error, and will be fixed in the next revisio= n.
The overflow flag is relevant to the increment/preallocated tr= ace options (draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data), and is not applicable to direct ex= porting; since no data fields are present in the DEX option itself there is= no need for an overflow indication. The exported packet itself (which is n= ot defined in the DEX draft) will include the IOAM data, and possibly also = the overflow indication.=C2=A0

Thanks for the comm= ents.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Tu= e, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:48 AM Roni Even (A) <roni.even@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi,
I support the adoption of this draft.

I have one comment, the IANA section specify a registry for the IOAM DEX Fl= ags. There are no initial values yet the draft mentions in the consideratio= n section the loopback flag so is loopback supported by this draft?
What about the overflow flag?

Roni Even

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Trammell
> (IETF)
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:46 AM
> To: IETF IPPM WG
> Subject: [ippm] Adoption Call for draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-expo= rt
>
> Greetings, all,
>
> The IPPM working group has been asked to adopt draft-ioamteam-ippm- > ioam-direct-export-00 as as a working group document.
>
> This message begins an adoption call to end on Monday 9 December 2019.=
> Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org indicating:
>
> - whether you believe the draft is in scope for the WG and mature enou= gh to
> be a WG document, and if not, why not
> - whether you are willing to review the document
>
> Many thanks, cheers,
>
> Brian (as co-chair)
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from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8EF120043; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:36:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@wjcerveny.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <157538016129.24887.2744947116420747329.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:36:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-ippm-metric-registry-22=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:36:01 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. It is quite extensive (I even wonder whether it was useful to indicate the motivations for the registry). There are a couple of COMMENTs below; feel free to ignore them but I would appreciate if you replied. Regards, -éric == COMMENTS == -- Section 5 -- "interpretable by the user." who is the user in this case? (I have my guess of course but let's try to be clear) Why specifying "implementable by the **software** designer," ? I.e., are HW designers out of scope ? "accurate" is also quite vague Also a couple of nits in the section about ',' or '.' and upper/lower case characters. -- Section 6.1 -- s/will/should/ in "Why this Attempt Will Succeed" ? ;-) -- Section 7 -- The table part below is quite unclear at first and second reading. Worth re-wording ? " Category ------------------ Column | Column | " Or perhaps use a tree form (à la YANG module tree) ? -- Section 7.1..2 -- Probably worth mentioning "such as and not limited to" rather than "such as" ? It is also unclear how the MetricType, Method, ... can be extended. -- Section 11.1.3. -- Should the URL be an https:// one ? From nobody Tue Dec 3 05:55:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38FB120019; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:55:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <157538135472.24835.9805233166461784463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:55:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-ippm?= =?utf-8?q?-initial-registry-14=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:55:55 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. I have a couple of easy and trivial to fix DISCUSS. And a couple of COMMENTs, feel free to ignore the COMMENTs but I would appreciate it if you replied to them. Regards, -éric == DISCUSS == -- Section 4.2.2 -- Easy to fix: there is no 'protocol' field in the IPv6 header but a 'next header' one that has the same semantic. -- Section 9.2.2. -- Also easy to fix, 'next header' for ICMPv6 is not 01 but 58 (decimal) and 'ICMPv6 echo request' is 128 (decimal). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- == COMMENTS == -- Section 4.2.2 -- and others Should some additional parameters be specified for IPv6? Namely flow label and the absence of extension header. From nobody Tue Dec 3 06:58:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A358112022A; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 06:58:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Vigoureux via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Vigoureux Message-ID: <157538513666.24907.2546513767961608935.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:58:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:58:56 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for this document. I only have a couple of comment/questions, and found few nits while reading. Performance Metrics Registry MAY use the same I'm not sure 2119/8174 language is needed here. I'm not sure to understand the Version (of Registry Format) column. All entries will have the same number there, right? If this RFC-to-be is updated I guess we'll change to version 2. What shall happen to existing entries, will they keep Version=1 or adopt Version=2? s/in order to included/in order to be included/ As any IETF registry, the primary use for a registry is to manage a registry for its use within one or more protocols. This sentence seems a bit hard to parse s/other form of Performance Metric/other form of Performance Measurement/ ? From nobody Tue Dec 3 07:04:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F39B1201E5; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:04:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Vigoureux via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Vigoureux Message-ID: <157538545312.24875.9274136455825599756.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 07:04:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:04:13 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for this document. I only have one question: Sections 4.3.3, 6.3.3., 9.3.3., and 10.3.3 seem to have kept the text from the template: The measured results based on a filtered version of the packets observed, and this section provides the filter details (when present). Is that on purpose? From nobody Tue Dec 3 07:05:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A65712022A; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:05:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Vigoureux via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@wjcerveny.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Vigoureux Message-ID: <157538550449.24762.2867192673978076999.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 07:05:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:05:04 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for this document. I only have a couple of comment/questions, and found few nits while reading. Performance Metrics Registry MAY use the same I'm not sure 2119/8174 language is needed here. I'm not sure to understand the Version (of Registry Format) column. All entries will have the same number there, right? If this RFC-to-be is updated I guess we'll change to version 2. What shall happen to existing entries, will they keep Version=1 or adopt Version=2? s/in order to included/in order to be included/ As any IETF registry, the primary use for a registry is to manage a registry for its use within one or more protocols. This sentence seems a bit hard to parse s/other form of Performance Metric/other form of Performance Measurement/ ? From nobody Tue Dec 3 07:27:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F841200CC; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3li2zhbk8mrJ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B05A12006B; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b824a7d500a8d6666c633762e4.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:24a7:d500:a8d6:666c:6337:62e4]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1icA54-0000Ur-Jm; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:27:14 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: <157538545312.24875.9274136455825599756.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 16:27:13 +0100 Cc: The IESG , ietf@trammell.ch, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5829CA60-9E92-41C4-A29F-15E04FEA4201@kuehlewind.net> References: <157538545312.24875.9274136455825599756.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Martin Vigoureux X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1575386839;33f48d8a; X-HE-SMSGID: 1icA54-0000Ur-Jm Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:27:21 -0000 Hi Martin, Thanks for catching this. This was an oversight and I thought we finally = fixed all of those but I guess we overlooked that one still. Will be = fixed in the next version! Mirja > On 3. Dec 2019, at 16:04, Martin Vigoureux via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Thank you for this document. >=20 > I only have one question: >=20 > Sections 4.3.3, 6.3.3., 9.3.3., and 10.3.3 seem to have kept the text = from the template: > The measured results based on a filtered version of the packets > observed, and this section provides the filter details (when > present). > Is that on purpose? >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Dec 3 07:39:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9551200CC; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,18.0.572 definitions=2019-12-03_04:2019-12-02,2019-12-03 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-1910280000 definitions=main-1912030119 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:38:55 -0000 +1 Thanks Martin and Mirja, fixed in the working version. Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja Kuehlewind > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 10:27 AM > To: Martin Vigoureux > Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org; The > IESG ; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [ippm] Martin Vigoureux's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm- > initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Hi Martin, >=20 > Thanks for catching this. This was an oversight and I thought we finally > fixed all of those but I guess we overlooked that one still. Will be fixe= d > in the next version! >=20 > Mirja >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On 3. Dec 2019, at 16:04, Martin Vigoureux via Datatracker > wrote: > > > > Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLF= YZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Djy_FbP0QkKyhoEwoYBvceQTo= XkMZc > nQmFtsbhYC0kyQ&s=3Da2hglwp_AnTyGBMGyGDJ44OlfdFd-Q8qD1jdb0-tREk&e=3D > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial- > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Djy_FbP0QkKyhoEwoYBvceQTo= XkMZc > nQmFtsbhYC0kyQ&s=3D2xu4F_KXUg4LNoA-NqgaO6s-5z4tu9DWhy30tChyRCU&e=3D > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Thank you for this document. > > > > I only have one question: > > > > Sections 4.3.3, 6.3.3., 9.3.3., and 10.3.3 seem to have kept the text > from the template: > > The measured results based on a filtered version of the packets > > observed, and this section provides the filter details (when > > present). > > Is that on purpose? > > > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Djy_FbP0QkKyhoEwoYBvceQTo= XkMZc > nQmFtsbhYC0kyQ&s=3DpjOC0SJaWCUyqb4MpIt3q1qYvyO6fMkZJ_MRywgOdMA&e=3D From nobody Tue Dec 3 08:23:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <157539825897.24740.5751928963733031046.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:37:38 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-ippm-initial-registry-14=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:37:39 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. Thank you for quickly addressing my previous DISCUSS (kept here for history) Regards, -éric == DISCUSS == -- Section 4.2.2 -- Easy to fix: there is no 'protocol' field in the IPv6 header but a 'next header' one that has the same semantic. -- Section 9.2.2. -- Also easy to fix, 'next header' for ICMPv6 is not 01 but 58 (decimal) and 'ICMPv6 echo request' is 128 (decimal). == COMMENTS == -- Section 4.2.2 -- and others Should some additional parameters be specified for IPv6? Namely flow label and the absence of extension header. From nobody Tue Dec 3 11:20:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C99412000F; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@wjcerveny.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <157540083363.24740.938613141509490611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 11:20:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 19:20:33 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Section 9. Please consider adding something approximately along the lines of: The aggregated results of the performance metrics described in this registry can reveal network topology information that might be considered sensitive. If this is the case, access control mechanism should be applied. * Editorial Nits: - Section 7.1.2. Typo. s/obervations/ observations/ - Section 7.1.3. Typo. s/formated/formatted/ - Section 7.3.1. Typo. s/unambigious/unambiguous/ - Section 7.3.2. Typo. s/wether/whether/ - Section 7.3.5. Typo. s/accomodated/accommodated/ - Section 7.4.4. Typo. s/calbration/calibration/ - Section 8.1. Spacing. s/[RFC8126]policy/[RFC8126] policy/ - Section 8.2. Typo. s/Regsirty/Registry/ - Section 8.2. Typo. s/unchamged/unchanged/ - Section 9. Typo. s/secuity/security/ From nobody Tue Dec 3 14:34:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A241812003F; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alvaro Retana Message-ID: <157541243765.4760.10404134824479029590.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:33:57 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 22:33:57 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a significant issue related to the approval of this initial registry, and then a minor point. (1) This is the significant issue: §2: This document defines the initial set of Performance Metrics Registry entries, for which IETF approval (following development in the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) Working Group) will satisfy the requirement for Expert Review. Most are Active Performance Metrics, which are based on RFCs prepared in the IPPM working group of the IETF, according to their framework [RFC2330] and its updates. s/IETF approval/IESG Approval There is no "IETF approval" policy in rfc8126. Even though it is self-serving for this document to provide guidance on the approval for the new registry entries, I think that it should be possible to do so using IESG Approval given that these initial entries into the new registry have been reviewed by the WG. However, draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry only explicitly talks about using Specification Required (including Expert Review), and it makes no exceptions. This document should not make statements about criteria used for this initial registration, so §2 should be deleted. draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry should be explicit about the initial population of the registry. I am them balloting DISCUSS on that other document to address the approval of the initial registry entries in this document. (2) Minor point: §1: "The process in [I-D.ietf-ippm-metric-registry] also requires that new entries are administered by IANA through Expert Review or IETF Standards action, which will ensure that the metrics are tightly defined." The registration policy defined in I-D.ietf-ippm-metric-registry is "Specification Required", which requires the review of an expert. From nobody Tue Dec 3 14:37:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F290120858; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@wjcerveny.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alvaro Retana Message-ID: <157541264931.4734.14501743204777647352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:37:29 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 22:37:31 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have two separate issues that I would like to DISCUSS. (1) Approval of the initial performance metrics entries (in draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry). This document describes the format of the registry, and the initial entries are defined in draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry. However, the registration policy of Specification Required would not be met if the entries in draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry are approved without expert review. As I mentioned in my ballot for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry, I believe that because both documents are being processed at the same time, and the new entries have been reviewed by the WG, IESG Approval [rfc8126] can be used. I can think of at least three ways to address this DISCUSS point (there may be others): a. Designated Experts for this document can be assigned and the formal review can be done. b. The text in this document can explicitly say that the entries in draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry are to be approved using IESG Approval. c. The Responsible AD can add a Management Item to the Telechat for the IESG to explicitly approve (beyond approval for the publication of draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry) the new entries. I am ok with either choice, but would prefer Option c because it would be faster and cause less churn. (2) §8.1 (Adding new Performance Metrics to the Performance Metrics Registry) defines the following process for entries that are "not yet widely deployed": If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the proposed registry entry is not ready for registration, and use SHOULD employ a private/experimental ID. It is the responsibility of the document authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed registry entry is ready for official registration. Considering the Specification Required policy and the fact that the RFC has already gone through all the reviews required for publication (including expert review, as mentioned in the same section), how will it work for the "authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed registry entry is ready for official registration"? What specification will be presented to IANA to satisfy the registration requirement? It seems to me that the statement mentioned above would prevent the official registration in the first place, and that same statement (still present in the RFC) should prevent a second review of the same document from resulting in an official registration. This process needs more discussion and clarity for it to work. [Not part of this DISCUSS point, but related.] a. Section 8 talks about instructions about handling of the registry. Perhaps it should be part of the IANA Considerations section. b. §7.1.1 contains additional instructions for IANA, including the reservation of a private/experimental range of Identifiers. This test should also be part of the IANA Considerations section. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) I don't understand why this document is a BCP and not on the Standards Track. The Shepherd writeup says that the status "is best current practice...as explained in the draft", but the document only justifies it this way: Based on [RFC8126] Section 4.3, this document is processed as Best Current Practice (BCP) [RFC2026]. rfc8126/§4.3 talks about the Hierarchical Allocation registration policy. I'm lost. It does seem strange that this document is classified as a BCP when it is defining a registry...when many other documents serving the same function are simply on the Standards Track. It would be ideal if there was an actual justification. Related to being a BCP. Should this document be part of BCP 170? (2) Nits: s/any other organization that wishes to create a Performance Metrics Registry MAY use the same formatting specifications/any other organization that wishes to create a Performance Metrics Registry may use the same formatting specifications There is no Normative value, just stating a fact. s/Expert Review [RFC8126]policy/Expert Review [RFC8126] policy s/Submission to IANA MAY be during IESG review/Submission to IANA may be during IESG review Just stating a fact...no Normative value. 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Alvaro Retana Cc: The IESG , ietf@wjcerveny.com, draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, IPPM Chairs , IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 14:58:01 -0000 Hi, =C3=81lvaro. On the first DISCUSS point, I don't see an issue. If it had all been done in one document it would be unremarkable, and we would not think that a formal review by the DE would be needed. In this case, it's clear that this is a single product of the working group that has, for editorial convenience, been split into two documents. I think there's neither need nor value in worrying about it further for these initial registrations. But... For future registrations let me suggest that there's a fourth alternative to your list. Is it the working group's intent that if an IETF-consensus document should want to make a future registration -- say, another document out of the IPPM WG -- it would have to go through expert review even though it has working group consensus, and, in theory, the DE could override WG consensus? If so, then we're fine as we are. But if not, then: d. The registration policy could be set as "Specification Required or IETF Review". We use that in a number of registries, and it means that an IETF-consensus document can register items without formal expert review, though, of course, we would expect the DE(s) to participate in forming the IETF consensus on it. But specifications that do not have IETF consensus -- from other RFC streams or non-RFC sources -- would have to get a formal DE review. The working group might consider whether this is or isn't what they want before we cast the policy in stone. Barry On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:37 PM Alvaro Retana via Datatracker wrote: > > Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have two separate issues that I would like to DISCUSS. > > (1) Approval of the initial performance metrics entries (in > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry). > > This document describes the format of the registry, and the initial entri= es are > defined in draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry. However, the registration p= olicy > of Specification Required would not be met if the entries in > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry are approved without expert review. > > As I mentioned in my ballot for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry, I belie= ve > that because both documents are being processed at the same time, and the= new > entries have been reviewed by the WG, IESG Approval [rfc8126] can be used= . > > I can think of at least three ways to address this DISCUSS point (there m= ay be > others): > > a. Designated Experts for this document can be assigned and the formal re= view > can be done. > > b. The text in this document can explicitly say that the entries in > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry are to be approved using IESG Approval. > > c. The Responsible AD can add a Management Item to the Telechat for the I= ESG to > explicitly approve (beyond approval for the publication of > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry) the new entries. > > I am ok with either choice, but would prefer Option c because it would be > faster and cause less churn. > > (2) > > =C2=A78.1 (Adding new Performance Metrics to the Performance Metrics Regi= stry) > defines the following process for entries that are "not yet widely deploy= ed": > > If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet > widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the > proposed registry entry is not ready for registration, and use SHOULD > employ a private/experimental ID. It is the responsibility of the > document authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed > registry entry is ready for official registration. > > Considering the Specification Required policy and the fact that the RFC h= as > already gone through all the reviews required for publication (including = expert > review, as mentioned in the same section), how will it work for the "auth= ors to > submit the request to IANA when the proposed registry entry is ready for > official registration"? What specification will be presented to IANA to > satisfy the registration requirement? It seems to me that the statement > mentioned above would prevent the official registration in the first plac= e, and > that same statement (still present in the RFC) should prevent a second re= view > of the same document from resulting in an official registration. > > This process needs more discussion and clarity for it to work. > > [Not part of this DISCUSS point, but related.] > > a. Section 8 talks about instructions about handling of the registry. Pe= rhaps > it should be part of the IANA Considerations section. > > b. =C2=A77.1.1 contains additional instructions for IANA, including the r= eservation > of a private/experimental range of Identifiers. This test should also be= part > of the IANA Considerations section. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > (1) I don't understand why this document is a BCP and not on the Standar= ds > Track. The Shepherd writeup says that the status "is best current > practice...as explained in the draft", but the document only justifies it= this > way: > > Based on [RFC8126] Section 4.3, this document is processed as Best > Current Practice (BCP) [RFC2026]. > > rfc8126/=C2=A74.3 talks about the Hierarchical Allocation registration po= licy. I'm > lost. > > It does seem strange that this document is classified as a BCP when it is > defining a registry...when many other documents serving the same function= are > simply on the Standards Track. It would be ideal if there was an actual > justification. > > Related to being a BCP. Should this document be part of BCP 170? > > (2) Nits: > > s/any other organization that wishes to create a Performance Metrics Regi= stry > MAY use the same formatting specifications/any other organization that wi= shes > to create a Performance Metrics Registry may use the same formatting > specifications There is no Normative value, just stating a fact. > > s/Expert Review [RFC8126]policy/Expert Review [RFC8126] policy > > s/Submission to IANA MAY be during IESG review/Submission to IANA may be = during > IESG review Just stating a fact...no Normative value. > > From nobody Wed Dec 4 07:31:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D00120043; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:31:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZcC4zqYgbHtw; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 683F6120025; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049459.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049459.ppops.net-00191d01. 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ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:12:13 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Alvaro's DISCUSS point #2. I'm confused about what the registration policy is for metrics in the new registry. If it is Specification Required, then the places in the document that assume new metrics are defined in an RFC need to be generalized, because Specification Required need not involve any RFC at all. I have an additional concern about this text: "If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the proposed registry entry is not ready for registration, and use SHOULD employ a private/experimental ID. It is the responsibility of the document authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed registry entry is ready for official registration." This appears to put a requirement on RFCs to include language that is not timeless and may later become out of date. That is, if this guidance is followed but a metric is later widely deployed, the RFC would have to be updated just to remove the text about the metric not being ready for registration. It seems better to just give guidance about which identifier range registration requests should target, and to give guidance to the designated experts about how to evaluate requests in different ranges. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1: "any other organization that wishes to create a Performance Metrics Registry" It seems like performance metrics registry should not be capitalized here since the next section defines the capitalized version as the one maintained by IANA. Section 6: I would strongly recommend that this section be moved to an appendix. Some readers may find it useful, but it doesn't seem like it belongs in the body of the document. Also, I would caution against a section heading entitled "Why this Attempt Will Succeed." I certainly hope it will, but the future is hard to predict and the IETF has a long history of being wrong about what will and will not succeed. 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Al, thanks for your response. I entered a = DISCUSS ballot to get the registration policy clarified. Alissa > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Roni Even (A) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Al, > I saw that IANA was consulted during the work. > I was wondering what will be the actual text that will be written in = the IANA registry, I expected section 10 to describe it. >=20 > Registration Procedure(s) > Reference > Note >=20 > I am not sure yet what is the Registration Procedure and what will be = written in the Note >=20 > Thanks > Roni >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gen-art [mailto:gen-art-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, = ALFRED C (AL) > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:52 PM > To: Roni Even; gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org; = ippm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >=20 > Hi Roni, > thanks for your comments, please see replies below. > Al >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roni Even via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 4:25 AM >> To: gen-art@ietf.org >> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-=20 >> registry.all@ietf.org >> Subject: Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >>=20 >> Reviewer: Roni Even >> Review result: Almost Ready >>=20 >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area=20= >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by=20= >> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like=20= >> any other last call comments. >>=20 >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>=20 >> > 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ- >> = o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DmLefZkw5Y_ld2AFv2msgpzOV5= >> Z7lZ = JkKTdUQf48X15g&s=3DuUg9ktSDILsslqK-rG4YIc3gMW0n6oCa-7Dk0xtFZRo&e=3D>. >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-?? >> Reviewer: Roni Even >> Review Date: 2019-10-29 >> IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>=20 >> Summary: >> The document is almost ready for publication as a BCP document >>=20 >> Major issues: >>=20 >> Minor issues: >> 1. =46rom reading the document it looks to me that the registration=20= >> policy should be specification required which also requires expert = review. > [acm] > I understand that perspective. In early review with IANA we decided on = Expert Review partly because two elements of registry entries require = references to immutable documents, such as standards specifications. > So the requirement for specifications could be seen as built-in. > But we may change to Specification Required now, the last IANA review = is in-progress.=20 >=20 >> 2. My understanding is that for registration a document is required ,=20= >> not necessarily and RFC, but in multiple places in the document ( = 7.3,=20 >> 7.3.1, 8.2 ,...) the text talks about RFC and not document. > [acm] > Yes, a few of those slipped through, thanks. >=20 >> 3. I am not sure if section 6 is needed in the published document = based on its content.=20 > [acm] > it's fairly easy for new implementers to pick-up an IPPM RFC (even a = STD) and choose parameters that meet their needs. But for the additional = advantage of measurement comparisons, more context is needed. Some may = even ask why this registry requires the many details. Answer: See = section 6. > A little history is good. Very few have been joining IPPM sessions = long enough to know this history. >=20 >> If it will remain then in 6.1 >> first paragraph the reference should be to section 5 and not to = section 6. > [acm] ok >=20 >> 4. >> In sections 10.2 and 10.3 there are guidance taken from this = document.=20 >> I think that the for IANA it should say in the registry note that the=20= >> registration must comply with RFCXXX (this document), I assume that=20= >> there is no need to repeat all this text in these sections in the = registry note. > [acm] > I have said on a few occasions that almost the entire memo contains = IANA Considerations. 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Wed, 4 Dec 2019 11:30:30 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 11:30:28 -0500 Cc: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "gen-art@ietf.org" , "last-call@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry.all@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <505CFB6D-D492-40E4-A340-F27A83DE1227@cooperw.in> References: <157262730194.31927.5524715609259531175@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B6B28E@njmtexg5.research.att.com> To: Joel Halpern Direct X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:30:33 -0000 Joel, thanks for your review. Al, thanks for your response. I entered a = No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Nov 3, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Joel Halpern Direct = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Al. I presumed all the ducks were in a row, but thought I = should ask to be certain. >=20 > Yours, > Joel >=20 > On 11/3/2019 3:14 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >> Hi Joel, >> Thanks for your review, please see replies below. >> Al >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joel Halpern via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] >>> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 12:55 PM >>> To: gen-art@ietf.org >>> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry.all@ietf.org; >>> ippm@ietf.org >>> Subject: Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 >>>=20 >>> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >>> Review result: Ready >>>=20 >>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >>> by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just >>> like any other last call comments. >>>=20 >>> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>>=20 >>> >> 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ- >>> = o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DGTgiUHp01_savOvQS49iOt8XR= HfRw >>> hPgZj-TNotgKGk&s=3DM0ib3zYg2qffmRujLJv2h_WHQ16W9fOYat9hNtBqcFk&e=3D>. >>>=20 >>> Document: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-12 >>> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >>> Review Date: 2019-11-01 >>> IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 >>> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>>=20 >>> Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed = Standard >>>=20 >>> Side note: I presume that as part of the process for >>> draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry (the normative reference the defines = the >>> structure used in this document) there has been discussion with IANA = explicitly >>> about the fact that this registry has an extremely large number of >>> columns, some with extremely verbose content, and it will likely = take some work for >>> IANA to determine how to present this in a human-readable fashion? = And the >>> lesser point that is probably covered by existing procedures, but I = wanted to >>> check, that IANA is prepared to fill in the URLs scattered = throughout the >>> document? >> [acm] >> Yes and Yes. We prepared a mock-up of the new Registry at various = stages >> of development. Humbly, it was my idea to make the registry entries = both >> readable and useful. The IANA reps suggested the mock-up early-on, = and we have >> shared the different versions with the IPPM WG. We/IANA plan to make = the >> mock-up more widely available (but we failed to do that in time for = Last Call). >>>=20 >>> Second note: I did not review the accuracy of the descriptions of = the metrics, >>> but only looked for clarity. This is material well known to the WG, = and mostly >>> derived from other documents this or closely related working groups = have >>> produced. >>>=20 >>> Major issues: N/A >>>=20 >>> Minor issues: >>> For those entries that are defining two (or more) closely = related metrics, >>> should the document actually have two (or more) lines for URL, = since the >>> text says that IANA is to assign two URLs. (And the list of = differing >>> fields should presumably include URL?) >> [acm] >> There are sections of the document that define more than one registry = entry, >> so yes, there will be >1 URLs, etc. in the corresponding rows. >>>=20 >>> In the first part of section 5, there is a note about = potentially splitting >>> the registry entry into two registry entries. I can not = understand the >>> note. The registry is either defined with one entry or defined = with two >>> entries. Is this still an open item? (If so, my "ready" above = clearly >>> should be "Ready with issues.") I think it is just an erroneous = retention >>> of text from earlier? >> [acm] >> Exactly, it is a note left-stranded by editing later in the section, >> thanks for catching it - deleted in the working version. >>>=20 >>> Nits/editorial comments: >>> If there are no roles to define in 5.3.6, shouldn't it say "N/A" >> [acm] >> Actually, it should define the Roles (Src and Dst) as with other = Metrics. >> Something went wrong with formatting here - the text below the >> section header disappeared... thanks for catching that! >>> Some comments and remarks say "None" which makes sense. Some = say >>> "Additional (Informational) details for this entry" which seems = to be >>> text left over from the template that should say "None"? >> [acm] >> Right, found and replaced in working copy. >>>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:31:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F581120073; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:31:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zf4MHooWu_En; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B8AD12002E; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id z7so9298807wrl.13; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:31:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=J++5mb4u92OnQ3ZOut8uafH4Lxzpkg0aSQtSWl60CBc=; b=PLPxYT78X7GZgtVPtOJ1OQnhTD0WQSs52tm1LTZi++YZ37ThvB2ceL9MQqHNyvoCy8 DedNmuTCaEvqmbI/9mjpK0J/+uNmtEHOHprpWsZyIOrz/oaoQgSN4BYoxmOORKQ3RJ+J HpDUQss0i9ZVXn2jXilGjdRMKiK9THFJJEyvgylXf/2uTZAe/AqWqMvuaZXFobNLGHMO ZFl1AKjgBcytsW1oYyZ8lIIyQ+H6KH3LcdUWIfVfJEdu345bOQ64YgvWRUmX6e2ADGMe HmXAfV06pCucNHZ6geiPuni97bER4Pl/Km0m3whLlzIggnsdWdEirMjNNRl0GT4PtcVI C+3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J++5mb4u92OnQ3ZOut8uafH4Lxzpkg0aSQtSWl60CBc=; b=bOznRR9+eV+AipJNAc02hOnh295AypWeNjBagwiA9RLJ4F7DmMHJ3KvCvWgHfRCUr1 eGEJ2muMzOMPTdFm2P7Gahd5p4U1vrDnWPmXIdJCh6hT/TCZ0QRIH9I88l6ccSw0YquM 9ep0iXSOnpGmDADHocwRL4qxot5ZuU6f+PH1dxD59Mw8C3O/id+mSjR6TST6mGxLjCaq kG/V69wd+ugAtYttbja6vC2II5B9fGReLJtifOirmkRs+DUam4bubgDPgeJm1KXOrTYs Eybdq4n4n6v17RQbokpaFUvkt0IPNmcxa28fvD2dMtV1lJmCVlhfm/HBV7WZph4C5JA+ ykhw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAULH97X+Ut0m64XWp3b9YDU9hlVRVFZzWiHh/JGjSjdz5/EKS9Z +OZyMGRiy3aiS8iOSk4rOzZbVUbhQZR69oaWmAE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzDEFeTQyDbfXj8DsqjSf3BF9lQr0SFhPx59A9lAbscLxNp5zXhX6Ur2v/kPtpPWW22FmdoXuumV56vZYqXY2A= X-Received: by 2002:adf:cd92:: with SMTP id q18mr4930505wrj.261.1575477079715; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:31:19 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0590A@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <157541243765.4760.10404134824479029590.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0590A@njmtexg5.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:31:19 -0800 Message-ID: To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , The IESG Cc: "ippm@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org" , Brian Trammell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b034c90598e357d4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:31:23 -0000 --000000000000b034c90598e357d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Al, the changes below los good to me. Alvaro. On December 4, 2019 at 11:09:11 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) ( acm@research.att.com) wrote: Hi Alvaro, Thanks again for your review and comments. Please see replies marked [acm] below. Al > -----Original Message----- > From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org; Brian Trammell > ; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry- > 14: (with COMMENT) > > Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLF= YZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DILN34KWl728d4MwapM6b2uFD= - > AN_qvG3pywSVlI__xI&s=3DnSlIN1hkc12vDUVhxTXZ0oJvW7f6yWlIlilAarPCnE4&e=3D > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial- > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DILN34KWl728d4MwapM6b2uFD= - > AN_qvG3pywSVlI__xI&s=3DJ65nyx-0afWUBtjfKbF2_j7nKQmwb87O9qpiPkDnXkE&e=3D > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have a significant issue related to the approval of this initial > registry, > and then a minor point. > > (1) This is the significant issue: > > =C2=A72: > > This document defines the initial set of Performance Metrics Registry > entries, for which IETF approval (following development in the IP > Performance Metrics (IPPM) Working Group) will satisfy the > requirement for Expert Review. Most are Active Performance Metrics, > which are based on RFCs prepared in the IPPM working group of the > IETF, according to their framework [RFC2330] and its updates. > > s/IETF approval/IESG Approval > There is no "IETF approval" policy in rfc8126. > > Even though it is self-serving for this document to provide guidance on the > approval for the new registry entries, I think that it should be possible to do > so using IESG Approval given that these initial entries into the new registry > have been reviewed by the WG. However, draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry only > explicitly talks about using Specification Required (including Expert Review), > and it makes no exceptions. > > This document should not make statements about criteria used for this initial > registration, so =C2=A72 should be deleted. [acm] OK, but I think it is fair to keep parts of Section 2, which is the Scope. Here's the revised version I suggest: This document defines a set of initial Performance Metrics Registry entries. Most are Active Performance Metrics, which are based on RFCs prepared in the IPPM working group of the IETF, according to their framework [RFC2330] and its updates. > > draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry should be explicit about the initial population > of the registry. I am them balloting DISCUSS on that other document to address > the approval of the initial registry entries in this document. [acm] Added an explicit mention of the initial-registry draft at the end of the Scope of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry. > > (2) Minor point: > > =C2=A71: "The process in [I-D.ietf-ippm-metric-registry] also requires th= at new > entries are administered by IANA through Expert Review or IETF Standards > action, which will ensure that the metrics are tightly defined." The > registration policy defined in I-D.ietf-ippm-metric-registry is "Specification > Required", which requires the review of an expert. > [acm] good catch, fixed. --000000000000b034c90598e357d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Thanks Al, the changes below los good to me.

Alvaro.

On December 4, 2019 at 11:09:11 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (A= L) (acm@research.att.com) wrote= :

Hi Alvaro,

Thanks again for your review and comments.

Please see replies marked [acm] below.
Al

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> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
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> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here= :
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> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial-
> 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-
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> =20
> =20
> =20
> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ----
> COMMENT:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ----
> =20
> I have a significant issue related to the approval of this initial
> registry,
> and then a minor point.
> =20
> (1) This is the significant issue:
> =20
> =C2=A72:
> =20
> This document defines the initial set of Performance Metrics Re= gistry
> entries, for which IETF approval (following development in the = IP
> Performance Metrics (IPPM) Working Group) will satisfy the
> requirement for Expert Review. Most are Active Performance Met= rics,
> which are based on RFCs prepared in the IPPM working group of t= he
> IETF, according to their framework [RFC2330] and its updates.
> =20
> s/IETF approval/IESG Approval
> There is no "IETF approval" policy in rfc8126.
> =20
> Even though it is self-serving for this document to provide guidan= ce on the
> approval for the new registry entries, I think that it should be p= ossible to do
> so using IESG Approval given that these initial entries into the n= ew registry
> have been reviewed by the WG. However, draft-ietf-ippm-metric-reg= istry only
> explicitly talks about using Specification Required (including Exp= ert Review),
> and it makes no exceptions.
> =20
> This document should not make statements about criteria used for t= his initial
> registration, so =C2=A72 should be deleted.
[acm] =20
OK, but I think it is fair to keep parts of Section 2, which is the Sco= pe.

Here's the revised version I suggest:
This document defines a set of initial Performance Metrics Registry ent= ries. =20
Most are Active Performance Metrics, which are based on RFCs prepared i= n the =20
IPPM working group of the IETF, according to their framework [RFC2330] = and its
updates.

> =20
> draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry should be explicit about the initi= al population
> of the registry. I am them balloting DISCUSS on that other docume= nt to address
> the approval of the initial registry entries in this document.
[acm] =20
Added an explicit mention of the initial-registry draft at the end of t= he Scope
of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.


> =20
> (2) Minor point:
> =20
> =C2=A71: "The process in [I-D.ietf-ippm-metric-registry] also= requires that new
> entries are administered by IANA through Expert Review or IETF Sta= ndards
> action, which will ensure that the metrics are tightly defined.&qu= ot; The
> registration policy defined in I-D.ietf-ippm-metric-registry is &q= uot;Specification
> Required", which requires the review of an expert.
> =20
[acm] =20
good catch, fixed.

<= /body> --000000000000b034c90598e357d4-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:35:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1163212085F; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:35:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, PDS_BTC_ID=0.499, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gWB7ihx5qHh2; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC27812021C; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82c1ec200ed608c078ba0c639.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2c1e:c200:ed60:8c07:8ba0:c639]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1icXcD-0000wE-29; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:35:01 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: <0FFC4378-9B11-4641-9544-4F960DDC624E@cooperw.in> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:35:00 +0100 Cc: "Roni Even (A)" , "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Roni Even , "gen-art@ietf.org" , "last-call@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <49AA5775-24F1-4BC1-AA5B-DB1EA9B863E1@kuehlewind.net> References: <157233748615.6543.10822415025321392095@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA0B694BE@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD23D9EA85@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> <0FFC4378-9B11-4641-9544-4F960DDC624E@cooperw.in> To: Alissa Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1575477307;a6475fb6; X-HE-SMSGID: 1icXcD-0000wE-29 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:35:10 -0000 Hi Alissa, Section 10.1 say: Registration Procedure: Specification Required What else do you think is needed? Mirja > On 4. Dec 2019, at 17:15, Alissa Cooper wrote: >=20 > Roni, thanks for your review. Al, thanks for your response. I entered = a DISCUSS ballot to get the registration policy clarified. >=20 > Alissa >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Roni Even (A) = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Al, >> I saw that IANA was consulted during the work. >> I was wondering what will be the actual text that will be written in = the IANA registry, I expected section 10 to describe it. >>=20 >> Registration Procedure(s) >> Reference >> Note >>=20 >> I am not sure yet what is the Registration Procedure and what will be = written in the Note >>=20 >> Thanks >> Roni >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gen-art [mailto:gen-art-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, = ALFRED C (AL) >> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:52 PM >> To: Roni Even; gen-art@ietf.org >> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org; = ippm@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >>=20 >> Hi Roni, >> thanks for your comments, please see replies below. >> Al >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roni Even via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 4:25 AM >>> To: gen-art@ietf.org >>> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-=20 >>> registry.all@ietf.org >>> Subject: Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >>>=20 >>> Reviewer: Roni Even >>> Review result: Almost Ready >>>=20 >>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area=20= >>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by=20= >>> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like=20= >>> any other last call comments. >>>=20 >>> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>>=20 >>> >> 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ- >>> = o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DmLefZkw5Y_ld2AFv2msgpzOV5= >>> Z7lZ = JkKTdUQf48X15g&s=3DuUg9ktSDILsslqK-rG4YIc3gMW0n6oCa-7Dk0xtFZRo&e=3D>. >>>=20 >>> Document: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-?? >>> Reviewer: Roni Even >>> Review Date: 2019-10-29 >>> IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 >>> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>>=20 >>> Summary: >>> The document is almost ready for publication as a BCP document >>>=20 >>> Major issues: >>>=20 >>> Minor issues: >>> 1. =46rom reading the document it looks to me that the registration=20= >>> policy should be specification required which also requires expert = review. >> [acm] >> I understand that perspective. In early review with IANA we decided = on Expert Review partly because two elements of registry entries require = references to immutable documents, such as standards specifications. >> So the requirement for specifications could be seen as built-in. >> But we may change to Specification Required now, the last IANA review = is in-progress.=20 >>=20 >>> 2. My understanding is that for registration a document is required = ,=20 >>> not necessarily and RFC, but in multiple places in the document ( = 7.3,=20 >>> 7.3.1, 8.2 ,...) the text talks about RFC and not document. >> [acm] >> Yes, a few of those slipped through, thanks. >>=20 >>> 3. I am not sure if section 6 is needed in the published document = based on its content.=20 >> [acm] >> it's fairly easy for new implementers to pick-up an IPPM RFC (even a = STD) and choose parameters that meet their needs. But for the additional = advantage of measurement comparisons, more context is needed. Some may = even ask why this registry requires the many details. Answer: See = section 6. >> A little history is good. Very few have been joining IPPM sessions = long enough to know this history. >>=20 >>> If it will remain then in 6.1 >>> first paragraph the reference should be to section 5 and not to = section 6. >> [acm] ok >>=20 >>> 4. >>> In sections 10.2 and 10.3 there are guidance taken from this = document.=20 >>> I think that the for IANA it should say in the registry note that = the=20 >>> registration must comply with RFCXXX (this document), I assume that=20= >>> there is no need to repeat all this text in these sections in the = registry note. >> [acm] >> I have said on a few occasions that almost the entire memo contains = IANA Considerations. Nevertheless, we wrote and reviewed the memo and = (then wrote) the separate IANA section with IANA's help. >>=20 >> I have implemented the agreed changes above in the working version. >> Thanks again! >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Nits/editorial comments: >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Gen-art mailing list >> Gen-art@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ippm mailing list >> ippm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:43:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B33F120073; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceBJfLK99ghi; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E1CC120043; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049297.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049297.ppops.net-00191d01. 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLF= YZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Dj9d1D2N70ml- > hZ__hTPXVDpfnjLP2KXGLi94XR2wB60&s=3D1JczrXxQP8NRyLQuhNu5GaboDpGQvlQnFoU16= nfn > -70&e=3D > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial- > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Dj9d1D2N70ml- > hZ__hTPXVDpfnjLP2KXGLi94XR2wB60&s=3DwtQCcsTIqQjy37EX-e- > tPzhvIACZkzvqAhqaQ6sWq10&e=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Thank you for this document. >=20 > I only have a couple of comment/questions, and found few nits while > reading. >=20 > Performance Metrics Registry MAY use the same > I'm not sure 2119/8174 language is needed here. >=20 > I'm not sure to understand the Version (of Registry Format) column. All e= ntries > will have the same number there, right? If this RFC-to-be is updated I gu= ess > we'll change to version 2. What shall happen to existing entries, will th= ey > keep Version=3D1 or adopt Version=3D2? [acm]=20 I don't expect that the initial-registry draft itself will be updated, but there may be updates to individual metrics within the draft. If the metric-registry draft is updated to version 2.0, say by adding a col= umn, we would indicate new or updated metric entries that follow the with version 2.0, but the 1.0-compliant entries remain version 1.0. section 7.1.7 of metric-registry now reads (new sentence appended) This entry gives the version number for the registry format used.=20 Formats complying with this memo MUST use 1.0. The version number=20 SHALL NOT change unless a new RFC is published that changes the=20 registry format. The version number of registry entries SHALL NOT=20 change unless the registry entry is updated (following procedures=20 in section 8). >=20 > s/in order to included/in order to be included/ >=20 > As any IETF registry, the primary use for a registry is to manage a > registry for its use within one or more protocols. > This sentence seems a bit hard to parse [acm]=20 I agree, replaced with As with any IETF registry, the primary intention is to manage=20 registration of identifiers for use within one or more protocols. >=20 > s/other form of Performance Metric/other form of Performance Measurement/ > ? [acm]=20 Yes, measurement, thanks! >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Dj9d1D2N70ml- > hZ__hTPXVDpfnjLP2KXGLi94XR2wB60&s=3Ddbj8evyLu- > rkv53dUiJ1tJPrEgRoJmSeOF9LnbiA3a0&e=3D From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:43:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F31D120073; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bm4XVAHzQjhp; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF892120043; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id f4so5254839wmj.1; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:43:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sXgIgFt2GakDC1OhWYdzz+cV4BenOLh+CEZxlPsDWWo=; b=mwtqWXiIW7C1jPAGLYL5zPtN+wnH1m3oVbNGxi8/gnsFh48ugIogr5i9etg5Vl9Wrs AdysvYNzlvX1cLotaj/tmSOW7TvajSZEnjIDMt2euTAqR7qCAed+q4asAghFEl45Uf14 8I7WnCkGerxQPHxboWCZLxmsde1rbU0DyrdFW9Gk8kF/1xFk69GVTjoPdSnjQOVaCEWd cIgLMDMXNCivEAPR93VjubFYCyjWE85Dpwfk8OQqyr8+x0e5LfymNhONSLre7e5x9Pnl wbqBU8GTvcve9NhtCyr7BcRVPdfKhCR4WUetWwmy6IzU5/dpeoRjHYzS8yMUkCrFNEx9 Fh7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sXgIgFt2GakDC1OhWYdzz+cV4BenOLh+CEZxlPsDWWo=; b=Xk1/L29q/AOT58MoNUyg0juXHWolx2NsdN8XJL/QtOZbSdtXUU6pM7G0q2W5OkMv+Q IPwHxhD4ces3Vff6tiZRiQg4F36sXRODcUZnwnpGqp1dgWPKixWpcuDRQlIr/Od0JTRf 3/+p5fc4HczaxUT7HQB5cutQUr//DLjVeJ17ElNKq8YbDSlEYoypgE6U0aUlnjUC3EdZ jDGLCA3IXLJTSvezpga7ckJGwog86eF789smTUx2pN+pICY3xR7kU3B20GT7NZ69RBGF F9VAoFaQwNNgzfA83ZX9y3hwy/ALHE0Ln6ca8hXyj60O+A3LOjMQFq7QsMqy3HiFOPtF +EGA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV44ObeACf4QELNyeHgZ1HxDfqFB4/Wrc1sPBeOLQH0lCwpyczK x4uWtp373bKoKk5dorqIQiKr2D6/rd3TIZd1/UI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxdzQyiIPVQmHF+LawpDtBHRFQWZuZmOpWw8Vt1GjWIGPvWHErjsXNXFvodwz0YJWWd7agui1s04/77c5HE9yE= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7914:: with SMTP id l20mr537163wme.38.1575477815200; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:34 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F05456@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <157541264931.4734.14501743204777647352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F05456@njmtexg5.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:43:34 -0800 Message-ID: To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , The IESG Cc: "ippm@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:43:38 -0000 On December 4, 2019 at 10:31:42 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: Al: Hi! For the approval of the initial registry point, I think we'll need Mirja to comment. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] ... > > (2) > > > > =C2=A78.1 (Adding new Performance Metrics to the Performance Metrics Re= gistry) > > defines the following process for entries that are "not yet widely > > deployed": > > > > If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet > > widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the > > proposed registry entry is not ready for registration, and use SHOULD > > employ a private/experimental ID. It is the responsibility of the > > document authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed > > registry entry is ready for official registration. > > > > Considering the Specification Required policy and the fact that the RFC= has > > already gone through all the reviews required for publication (includin= g > > expert review, as mentioned in the same section), how will it work for = the > > "authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed registry entry= is > > ready for official registration"? What specification will be presented = to > > IANA to satisfy the registration requirement? It seems to me that the > > statement mentioned above would prevent the official registration in th= e > > first place, and that same statement (still present in the RFC) should > > prevent a second review of the same document from resulting in an offic= ial > > registration. > > > > This process needs more discussion and clarity for it to work. > [acm] > Yes, I see your point. This a paragraph we added at the IANA desk > during IETF-106, to resolve a question raised, and it seems we didn't > read it critically. Let me suggest several revisions as a paragraph > below: > > If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet > widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the > proposed registry entry is not ready for registration because it lacks > deployment (in the IANA Considerations Section), and SHOULD employ a > private/experimental ID when used in practice. The IANA and Expert > reviews of the proposed registry entry take place as normally required, > and registration SHALL be held. When the authors are ready to show > evidence of widespread deployment, they SHOULD submit the evidence > to IANA to be evaluated in consultation with the Performance Metric > Experts for registration at that time. This new text is not explicit on what "evidence of widespread deployment", nor whether that would be considered a specification in line with the registration policy. =C2=A0It also suffers from the point that Alissa mentioned in her DISCUSS of leaving the published RFC with the "old" text saying that the metric is not ready. Thanks for addressing my other comments. Alvaro. From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:51:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233451208A9; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:51:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2qQ4C0E4gPM4; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75DAE1208AB; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82c1ec200ed608c078ba0c639.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2c1e:c200:ed60:8c07:8ba0:c639]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1icXsK-0005Un-FH; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:51:40 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:51:39 +0100 Cc: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , The IESG , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <248D5A0E-3471-4C1D-8D31-7BF7244AFC7E@kuehlewind.net> References: <157541264931.4734.14501743204777647352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F05456@njmtexg5.research.att.com> To: Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1575478303;a12c1f56; X-HE-SMSGID: 1icXsK-0005Un-FH Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:51:45 -0000 Hi Alvaro, I just added this afternoon a management item to approve the experts for = this registry and both experts are authors of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry, so I assume we can be sure that they = did a review :-) I would think we don=E2=80=99t need any additional = process/separate management item here. But we can also do that if = that=E2=80=99s better for you=E2=80=A6? @Al: We changed the registration policy recently but didn=E2=80=99t we = also talk about making it =E2=80=9CSpecification required or IETF = Review=E2=80=9D? Can you remind me of the outcome of that discussion? I = guess the goal was to also have the experts to look at the details of = the registry even when we publish an RFC, however, it should probably = not be the case that the experts can block the registration of an = assignment in an RFC, no? Or is this exactly covering the case discussed = below where an RFC is published but the metric is not widely deployed = yet? Mirja > On 4. Dec 2019, at 17:43, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >=20 > On December 4, 2019 at 10:31:42 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >=20 > Al: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > For the approval of the initial registry point, I think we'll need > Mirja to comment. >=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > .... >>> (2) >>>=20 >>> =C2=A78.1 (Adding new Performance Metrics to the Performance Metrics = Registry) >>> defines the following process for entries that are "not yet widely >>> deployed": >>>=20 >>> If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet >>> widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says = the >>> proposed registry entry is not ready for registration, and use = SHOULD >>> employ a private/experimental ID. It is the responsibility of the >>> document authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed >>> registry entry is ready for official registration. >>>=20 >>> Considering the Specification Required policy and the fact that the = RFC has >>> already gone through all the reviews required for publication = (including >>> expert review, as mentioned in the same section), how will it work = for the >>> "authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed registry = entry is >>> ready for official registration"? What specification will be = presented to >>> IANA to satisfy the registration requirement? It seems to me that = the >>> statement mentioned above would prevent the official registration in = the >>> first place, and that same statement (still present in the RFC) = should >>> prevent a second review of the same document from resulting in an = official >>> registration. >>>=20 >>> This process needs more discussion and clarity for it to work. >> [acm] >> Yes, I see your point. This a paragraph we added at the IANA desk >> during IETF-106, to resolve a question raised, and it seems we didn't >> read it critically. Let me suggest several revisions as a paragraph >> below: >>=20 >> If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet >> widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the >> proposed registry entry is not ready for registration because it = lacks >> deployment (in the IANA Considerations Section), and SHOULD employ a >> private/experimental ID when used in practice. The IANA and Expert >> reviews of the proposed registry entry take place as normally = required, >> and registration SHALL be held. When the authors are ready to show >> evidence of widespread deployment, they SHOULD submit the evidence >> to IANA to be evaluated in consultation with the Performance Metric >> Experts for registration at that time. >=20 > This new text is not explicit on what "evidence of widespread > deployment", nor whether that would be considered a specification in > line with the registration policy. It also suffers from the point > that Alissa mentioned in her DISCUSS of leaving the published RFC with > the "old" text saying that the metric is not ready. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks for addressing my other comments. >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Dec 4 08:59:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B688120851; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bOlWNJLy3hPs; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 912161200CC; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049458.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049458.ppops.net-00191d01. 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLF= YZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DXEgrcVSdBGe_WP4wjAxlB9my= 7590D > QL1Jj9kEjHgkPw&s=3Dn9CkA_TelQCxYBFLjZIcYEaCLnGKNjQdvi3GynkxWvk&e=3D > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dmetric- > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DXEgrcVSdBGe_WP4wjAxlB9my= 7590D > QL1Jj9kEjHgkPw&s=3Di7tSmGsXOgYUMGatJNG2mh4-U_gFnfrmw3cywyKrOZw&e=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Thank you for this document. >=20 > I only have a couple of comment/questions, and found few nits while > reading. >=20 > Performance Metrics Registry MAY use the same > I'm not sure 2119/8174 language is needed here. [acm]=20 OK, fixed. >=20 > I'm not sure to understand the Version (of Registry Format) column. All e= ntries > will have the same number there, right? If this RFC-to-be is updated I gu= ess > we'll change to version 2. What shall happen to existing entries, will th= ey > keep Version=3D1 or adopt Version=3D2? [acm]=20 fixed (see reply to initial-registry) >=20 > s/in order to included/in order to be included/ >=20 > As any IETF registry, the primary use for a registry is to manage a > registry for its use within one or more protocols. > This sentence seems a bit hard to parse [acm]=20 fixed (see reply to initial-registry) >=20 > s/other form of Performance Metric/other form of Performance Measurement/ > ? 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Al > -----Original Message----- > From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa@cooperw.in] > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 11:15 AM > To: Roni Even (A) > Cc: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) ; Roni Even > ; gen-art@ietf.org; last-call@ietf.org; > ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric- > registry-20 >=20 > Roni, thanks for your review. Al, thanks for your response. I entered a > DISCUSS ballot to get the registration policy clarified. >=20 > Alissa >=20 >=20 > > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Roni Even (A) wrote= : > > > > Hi Al, > > I saw that IANA was consulted during the work. > > I was wondering what will be the actual text that will be written in th= e > IANA registry, I expected section 10 to describe it. > > > > Registration Procedure(s) > > Reference > > Note > > > > I am not sure yet what is the Registration Procedure and what will be > written in the Note > > > > Thanks > > Roni > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gen-art [mailto:gen-art-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, > ALFRED C (AL) > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:52 PM > > To: Roni Even; gen-art@ietf.org > > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org; > ippm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm- > metric-registry-20 > > > > Hi Roni, > > thanks for your comments, please see replies below. > > Al > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Roni Even via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 4:25 AM > >> To: gen-art@ietf.org > >> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric- > >> registry.all@ietf.org > >> Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 > >> > >> Reviewer: Roni Even > >> Review result: Almost Ready > >> > >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by > >> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like > >> any other last call comments. > >> > >> For more information, please see the FAQ at > >> > >> >> 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ- > >> o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DmLefZkw5Y_ld2AFv2msgp= zOV5 > >> Z7lZ JkKTdUQf48X15g&s=3DuUg9ktSDILsslqK-rG4YIc3gMW0n6oCa-7Dk0xtFZRo&e= =3D>. > >> > >> Document: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-?? > >> Reviewer: Roni Even > >> Review Date: 2019-10-29 > >> IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 > >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > >> > >> Summary: > >> The document is almost ready for publication as a BCP document > >> > >> Major issues: > >> > >> Minor issues: > >> 1. From reading the document it looks to me that the registration > >> policy should be specification required which also requires expert > review. > > [acm] > > I understand that perspective. In early review with IANA we decided on > Expert Review partly because two elements of registry entries require > references to immutable documents, such as standards specifications. > > So the requirement for specifications could be seen as built-in. > > But we may change to Specification Required now, the last IANA review i= s > in-progress. > > > >> 2. My understanding is that for registration a document is required , > >> not necessarily and RFC, but in multiple places in the document ( 7.3, > >> 7.3.1, 8.2 ,...) the text talks about RFC and not document. > > [acm] > > Yes, a few of those slipped through, thanks. > > > >> 3. I am not sure if section 6 is needed in the published document base= d > on its content. > > [acm] > > it's fairly easy for new implementers to pick-up an IPPM RFC (even a > STD) and choose parameters that meet their needs. But for the additional > advantage of measurement comparisons, more context is needed. Some may > even ask why this registry requires the many details. Answer: See section > 6. > > A little history is good. Very few have been joining IPPM sessions long > enough to know this history. > > > >> If it will remain then in 6.1 > >> first paragraph the reference should be to section 5 and not to sectio= n > 6. > > [acm] ok > > > >> 4. > >> In sections 10.2 and 10.3 there are guidance taken from this document. > >> I think that the for IANA it should say in the registry note that the > >> registration must comply with RFCXXX (this document), I assume that > >> there is no need to repeat all this text in these sections in the > registry note. > > [acm] > > I have said on a few occasions that almost the entire memo contains IAN= A > Considerations. Nevertheless, we wrote and reviewed the memo and (then > wrote) the separate IANA section with IANA's help. > > > > I have implemented the agreed changes above in the working version. > > Thanks again! > > > >> > >> Nits/editorial comments: > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gen-art mailing list > > Gen-art@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_gen-2Dart&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D_6cen3Hn-e_hOm0BhY7aIpA58dd19Z9qGQsr8- > 6zYMI&m=3D2q0aurIg38tkrrArxC6BhJGR8A6r9_B7X9X70h7rmHQ&s=3DBkWy- > yUsZUaGgC7d2gETnsQFmV-csAXHbUCx9lPc5RA&e=3D > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ippm mailing list > > ippm@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D_6cen3Hn-e_hOm0BhY7aIpA58dd19Z9qGQsr8- > 6zYMI&m=3D2q0aurIg38tkrrArxC6BhJGR8A6r9_B7X9X70h7rmHQ&s=3Djk9faC1UKfhHsvF= GPWHn > cO7MjzGlPGlIPOewNjeSY6s&e=3D From nobody Wed Dec 4 09:50:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA92B12088B; 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Wed, 04 Dec 2019 09:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:50:27 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <248D5A0E-3471-4C1D-8D31-7BF7244AFC7E@kuehlewind.net> References: <157541264931.4734.14501743204777647352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F05456@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <248D5A0E-3471-4C1D-8D31-7BF7244AFC7E@kuehlewind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:50:27 -0800 Message-ID: To: Mirja Kuehlewind Cc: "ippm@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:50:37 -0000 On December 4, 2019 at 11:51:42 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote: Mirja: Hi! > I just added this afternoon a management item to approve the experts for = this > registry and both experts are authors of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry,= so > I assume we can be sure that they did a review :-) I would think we don= =E2=80=99t > need any additional process/separate management item here. But we can als= o do > that if that=E2=80=99s better for you=E2=80=A6? Approving the experts is fine with me -- then it is up to IANA how the initial entries are approved. Thanks! Alvaro. 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What I put in my ballot: "I'm confused about what the registration policy is for metrics in the = new registry. If it is Specification Required, then the places in the = document that assume new metrics are defined in an RFC need to be = generalized, because Specification Required need not involve any RFC at = all.=E2=80=9D Best, Alissa >=20 > Mirja >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 4. Dec 2019, at 17:15, Alissa Cooper wrote: >>=20 >> Roni, thanks for your review. Al, thanks for your response. I entered = a DISCUSS ballot to get the registration policy clarified. >>=20 >> Alissa >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Roni Even (A) = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Al, >>> I saw that IANA was consulted during the work. >>> I was wondering what will be the actual text that will be written in = the IANA registry, I expected section 10 to describe it. >>>=20 >>> Registration Procedure(s) >>> Reference >>> Note >>>=20 >>> I am not sure yet what is the Registration Procedure and what will = be written in the Note >>>=20 >>> Thanks >>> Roni >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gen-art [mailto:gen-art-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, = ALFRED C (AL) >>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:52 PM >>> To: Roni Even; gen-art@ietf.org >>> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >>>=20 >>> Hi Roni, >>> thanks for your comments, please see replies below. >>> Al >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roni Even via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 4:25 AM >>>> To: gen-art@ietf.org >>>> Cc: last-call@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-=20 >>>> registry.all@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Genart last call review of = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 >>>>=20 >>>> Reviewer: Roni Even >>>> Review result: Almost Ready >>>>=20 >>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area=20= >>>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by=20= >>>> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like=20= >>>> any other last call comments. >>>>=20 >>>> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>>>=20 >>>> >>> 3A__trac.ietf.org_trac_gen_wiki_GenArtfaq&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ- >>>> = o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DmLefZkw5Y_ld2AFv2msgpzOV5= >>>> Z7lZ = JkKTdUQf48X15g&s=3DuUg9ktSDILsslqK-rG4YIc3gMW0n6oCa-7Dk0xtFZRo&e=3D>. >>>>=20 >>>> Document: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-?? >>>> Reviewer: Roni Even >>>> Review Date: 2019-10-29 >>>> IETF LC End Date: 2019-11-06 >>>> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>>>=20 >>>> Summary: >>>> The document is almost ready for publication as a BCP document >>>>=20 >>>> Major issues: >>>>=20 >>>> Minor issues: >>>> 1. =46rom reading the document it looks to me that the registration=20= >>>> policy should be specification required which also requires expert = review. >>> [acm] >>> I understand that perspective. In early review with IANA we decided = on Expert Review partly because two elements of registry entries require = references to immutable documents, such as standards specifications. >>> So the requirement for specifications could be seen as built-in. >>> But we may change to Specification Required now, the last IANA = review is in-progress.=20 >>>=20 >>>> 2. My understanding is that for registration a document is required = ,=20 >>>> not necessarily and RFC, but in multiple places in the document ( = 7.3,=20 >>>> 7.3.1, 8.2 ,...) the text talks about RFC and not document. >>> [acm] >>> Yes, a few of those slipped through, thanks. >>>=20 >>>> 3. I am not sure if section 6 is needed in the published document = based on its content.=20 >>> [acm] >>> it's fairly easy for new implementers to pick-up an IPPM RFC (even a = STD) and choose parameters that meet their needs. But for the additional = advantage of measurement comparisons, more context is needed. Some may = even ask why this registry requires the many details. Answer: See = section 6. >>> A little history is good. Very few have been joining IPPM sessions = long enough to know this history. >>>=20 >>>> If it will remain then in 6.1 >>>> first paragraph the reference should be to section 5 and not to = section 6. >>> [acm] ok >>>=20 >>>> 4. >>>> In sections 10.2 and 10.3 there are guidance taken from this = document.=20 >>>> I think that the for IANA it should say in the registry note that = the=20 >>>> registration must comply with RFCXXX (this document), I assume that=20= >>>> there is no need to repeat all this text in these sections in the = registry note. >>> [acm] >>> I have said on a few occasions that almost the entire memo contains = IANA Considerations. Nevertheless, we wrote and reviewed the memo and = (then wrote) the separate IANA section with IANA's help. >>>=20 >>> I have implemented the agreed changes above in the working version. >>> Thanks again! >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Nits/editorial comments: >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gen-art mailing list >>> Gen-art@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ippm mailing list >>> ippm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Dec 4 10:14:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEC5120A38; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CnMNS3vuDGrJ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58B40120A07; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049459.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049459.ppops.net-00191d01. 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLF= YZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DeF4izB8BIcIZhNvyTqrK0dTI= - > FP6QcmgawGjMLtavic&s=3D55JvuC_PQkACOOC_N_GRxARgXbdRNeoLJWvkshHfQnk&e=3D > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dmetric- > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DeF4izB8BIcIZhNvyTqrK0dTI= - > FP6QcmgawGjMLtavic&s=3DElNRLqSJi931KDNnlJH548rF8HwtiMbocp38JV8uiiY&e=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I support Alvaro's DISCUSS point #2.=20 [acm]=20 OK, we are still resolving this one. > I'm confused about what the registration > policy is for metrics in the new registry. If it is Specification Require= d, > then the places in the document that assume new metrics are defined in an= RFC > need to be generalized, because Specification Required need not involve > any RFC at all. [acm]=20 Yes, I believe Roni Even made this comment during Gen_ART Review. Roni sat at the IANA table when we met, and we believe we found all non-consistent cases during that session. >=20 > I have an additional concern about this text: >=20 > "If the proposed registry entry is defined in an RFC but is not yet > widely deployed, there SHOULD be a statement in the RFC that says the > proposed registry entry is not ready for registration, and use SHOULD > employ a private/experimental ID. It is the responsibility of the > document authors to submit the request to IANA when the proposed > registry entry is ready for official registration." >=20 > This appears to put a requirement on RFCs to include language that is not > timeless and may later become out of date. That is, if this guidance is > followed but a metric is later widely deployed, the RFC would have to be > updated just to remove the text about the metric not being ready for > registration.=20 [acm]=20 I understand. > It seems better to just give guidance about which identifier > range registration requests should target, and to give guidance to the > designated experts about how to evaluate requests in different ranges. [acm]=20 OK, Alvaro still has difficulty with the resolution text I proposed, it's the same paragraph mentioned in Alvaro's DISCUSS point #2. This text was added during the meet-up with IANA at IETF-106, and it was intended to solve a corner-case of a Performance Metric RFC-to-be @ IESG, *with a section that defines a performance metric entry* that doesn't quite meet all the Section 5 criteria for performance metrics. I'll take one last shot at solving this, and if that fails, propose to delete this new paragraph and handle on a case-by-case basis. >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 1: >=20 > "any other organization that wishes to create a Performance Metrics > Registry" >=20 > It seems like performance metrics registry should not be capitalized here > since > the next section defines the capitalized version as the one maintained by > IANA. [acm]=20 OK, fixed in the working version. >=20 > Section 6: >=20 > I would strongly recommend that this section be moved to an appendix. Som= e > readers may find it useful, but it doesn't seem like it belongs in the > body of the document. [acm]=20 There should be a lot of actors who read this RFC-to-be, who will balk at the amount of detail needed to avoid the pitfalls described in this section= . I'm defending the current placement, tightly coupled with section 5 on=20 criteria for performance metrics... >=20 > Also, I would caution against a section heading entitled "Why this Attemp= t Will > Succeed." I certainly hope it will, but the future is hard to predict and= the > IETF has a long history of being wrong about what will and will not > succeed. 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"ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:35:02 -0000 On December 4, 2019 at 1:38:07 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: Al: > If an RFC-to-be includes a Performance Metric and a proposed Performance > Metrics Registry entry, but the IANA and Performance Metric Expert review > determines that one or more of the Section 5 criteria have not been met, > then the IESG approval process MUST proceed with the proposed Performance > Metrics Registry entry removed from the text. When the RFC-to-be authors > are ready to show evidence of meeting the criteria in section 5, they > SHOULD re-submit the proposed Performance Metrics Registry entry to IANA > to be evaluated in consultation with the Performance Metric Experts for > registration at that time. This text basically says that if the criteria in =C2=A75 is not met, then the specific entry must not be in the RFC. =C2=A0At some point in the future (when the =C2=A75 criteria is met), publication of the entry can proceed -- presumably in a different RFC. As Alissa mentioned in her DISCUSS, the text needs to be generalized to cover specifications from other SDOs. =C2=A0I'm not sure how preventing publication would work there. The criteria in =C2=A75 talks about "industry interest, or has seen deployment", which makes me think about how early allocation would work. =C2=A0If interest/deployment is part of the criteria to be in the registry, then early allocation "to facilitate desired or required implementation and deployment experience" [rfc7120] would seem to not meet the requirement. =C2=A0Wouldn't it? Do you (authors/WG) see value in documenting private/experimental metrics? =C2=A0I imagine that one way to prove interest/deployment is to experiment (vs early allocation). =C2=A0These would not pass the =C2=A75 hu= rdle, but may need to be documented somehow. =C2=A0In the IETF the WG could limit publication to a draft (for example), but in other SDOs an actual specification could end up being published... Sorry to add more questions; I just want to make sure all the bases are cov= ered. Thanks! Alvaro. From nobody Wed Dec 4 18:08:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D5612000F; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:08:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <157551169578.11159.11169771578351131057.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 18:08:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 02:08:16 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Trivial editorial nits: - Section 4.4.4. s/*available accuracy*/available accuracy/ - Section 4.5.2. s/This RFC numner/This RFC number/ - Section 7.5.2. s/This REFC number/This RFC number/ - Section 10.5.2. s/This RFC/This RFC number/ - Section 10.3.1. s/with[Strowes]/with [Strowes/] From nobody Wed Dec 4 19:51:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F2A12001A; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:51:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@wjcerveny.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <157551786973.11247.13829109678163804960.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 19:51:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 03:51:10 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Álvaro’s second DISCUSS point and the related issues he lists after it. I also think we should resolve Álvaro’s first DISCUSS point by simply putting a note in the IANA Considerations in this document that refers to the other document as providing initial registrations, and not waste time and effort doing a formal expert review of registrations that the working group has already reviewed and accepted here. From nobody Wed Dec 4 23:58:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCECF1200F5; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:58:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@wjcerveny.com, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <157553269383.11096.11664366118558898995.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:58:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 07:58:14 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The sometimes-conversational tone of the text here is at odds with my mental preconception of what a BCP (or, for that matter, a Standards-Track document) is, though I make no claim that my mental preconception is relevant to anyone other than myself. I agree with the comment about parts of the text assuing that metric specifications will be RFCs being at odds with the lower specification-required regisration policy. I support Alissa's Discuss point. Section 1 applications transported over its protocols. Performance metrics are such an important part of the operations of IETF protocols that [RFC6390] specifies guidelines for their development. It's not entirely clear that the existence of RFC 6390 supports exactly this conclusion. The definition and use of Performance Metrics in the IETF happens in various working groups (WG), most notably: Is this going to age well? The "Performance Metrics for Other Layers" (PMOL) a concluded WG, nits: s/a //, no comma Section 2 Examples of Performance Metrics are the FTP response time for a complete file download, the DNS response time to resolve the IP address, a database logging time, etc. This definition is nit: DNS responses are not limited to single IP addresses, so the definite article seems wrong here. consistent with the definition of metric in [RFC2330] and broader than the definition of performance metric in [RFC6390]. Why are we using a different definition of performance metric than BCP 170? [How can both be BCPs at the same time but be in conflict?] Parameter: A Parameter is an input factor defined as a variable in the definition of a Performance Metric. A Parameter is a numerical or other specified factor forming one of a set that defines a metric or sets the conditions of its operation. All Parameters must be known to measure using a metric and interpret the results. There are two types of Parameters: Fixed and Run- nit: I suggest "all Parameters must be known in order to make a measurement using a metric", as currently "known to measure" flows oddly. Section 3 groups: IPPM, XRBLOCK, IPFIX, and BMWG. This document analyzes an prior attempt to set up a Performance Metrics Registry, and the nit: s/ an/ a/ Based on [RFC8126] Section 4.3, this document is processed as Best Current Practice (BCP) [RFC2026]. As was already noted, the referenced section does not have any obvious relevance to publication status for this document. Section 4.1 As any IETF registry, the primary use for a registry is to manage a nit: I think this was intended to be "As for any IETF registry" particular example is the LMAP framework [RFC7594]. Using the LMAP terminology, the Performance Metrics Registry is used in the LMAP Control protocol to allow a Controller to request a measurement task to one or more Measurement Agents. In order to nit: please check the grammar of "request a measurement task to". Section 4.2 different (and incompatible) ways. Having a registry would allow both the IETF community and external people to have a single list of nit: I suggest rephrasing "external people" as needlessly divisive; perhaps "other communities"? Section 7 form of registry extension. The specification defining the new column(s) MUST give guidelines to populate the new column(s) for existing entries (in general). Is "MUST (in general)" really still a "MUST"? Section 7.1.2 RTDelay (Round Trip Delay) RTDNS (Response Time Domain Name Service) It's slightly unfortunate that "RT" expands to both "Round Trip" and "Response Time". o SubTypeMethod: One or more sub-types to further describe the features of the entry, such as: ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol) IP (Internet Protocol) DSCPxx (where xx is replaced by a Diffserv code point) I thought Diffserv code point interpretation was a local matter; is it really appropriate in the metric definition? Section 7.3.5 devices. For example, parameters that include an IPv4 address can be encoded as a 32 bit integer (i.e. binary base64 encoded value) or ip- address as defined in [RFC6991]. The actual encoding(s) used must be nit: YANG types are specified distinctly from their possible encodings; indicating an XML or JSON encoded version of the YANG ip-address would be appropriate here. explicitly defined for each Run-time parameter. IPv6 addresses and options MUST be accomodated, allowing Registered Metrics to be used in either address family. nit: is "either" too limiting, here? Section 8.2 A change to a Registered Performance Metric SHALL be determined to be backward-compatible only when: Is it better to give the Experts some leeway to do the right thing rather than locking it down with rigid procedures? Section 8.3 The use of deprecated Registered Performance Metrics should result in a log entry or human-readable warning by the respective application. Taken literally this would require any measurement agent to query IANA before performing every measurement, to confirm that the metric being used is not deprecated. Presumably some less-frequent polling frequencey would still be acceptable! Section 10.2 reviewed along with the metric entry. New assignments for Registered Performance Metric Name Elements will be administered by IANA through Expert Review [RFC8126], i.e., review by one of a group of experts, the Performance Metric Experts, who are appointed by the IESG upon recommendation of the Transport Area Directors. It's not entirely clear to me that we need to go into this much detail when RFC 8126 covers it already. (Also elsewhere.) Section 11.1.3 Please use https:// URIs. Section 13.2 One might argue that RFC 7799 should be normative, since we defer to it for the allowed valuse for the Method column. 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Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <157554063716.16448.5473203127082471152.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 02:10:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 10:10:37 -0000 Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think these entries shows well how the registry is intended to extended and the benefit in being clear on what information is needed. I do have a question that I think needs an answer: Regarding Section 4.2.2: o IPv6 header values: * DSCP: set to 0 * Hop Count: set to 255 * Protocol: Set to 17 (UDP) Does anything about the IPv6 flow ID need to be stated here? As this is a path delay measurement, the value of the flow ID field has the potential to change the result. If one would use a new random value for each individual measurement in a sequence one may see different results than from using the same ID for all the measurements. Or is this specified in any of the references? In most case I would expect one use a single value, but likely randomly selected. However, it does depend on what purpose of ones measurement one have, thus I think this do matter. I think this question applies to all measurements that are multi-packet ones so section 5, 7, 8 and 9 most definitely. I also wonder if IPv6 Flow ID is an output parameter that needs to be kept? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 4.2.2: o UDP header values: * Checksum: the checksum MUST be calculated and included in the header I guess this implies that a non-zero UDP checksum is to be used. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 3gOuee6T9Hnt2ff7hmCoodL+2LdI8OELL745aBOPH5lZ3o+vw2K03pPBITT4+TyyMVkV7r6bA0dyPreJSkAtPCdnFALUqDXe5F9xH3vdahk= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB4013 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 13:14:38 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01D5AB76.504C5C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Al, > [acm] > Please see the e-mail exchange on > =C3=89ric Vyncke's DISCUSS (cleared) > (now listed as a Comment to keep it in the record) where he raised = identical > issues, and we quickly proposed solutions for the working version of = the > text. >=20 So clarifying that one is to set flow ID to zero and not use any next = headers for this specific metrics likely work in most cases.=20 Do you agree that a measurement with varying flow ID or source ports = over a measurement would be a different measurement that would then = measure over the full set of potential paths that ECMP and similar = mechanism may produce based on a specific set of source and destination = IP address pair?=20 Which measurements registrations are you implementing these changes = into?=20 Have we now created a situation where the text in the registry becomes = crucial for correctly doing a measurement? Or was that already the case = prior to this change? What I mean is that the references do not define = the metric to the detail level and consistency that the IANA registry = does. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <157555705167.16500.17382946462715568367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 06:44:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:44:12 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact 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From nobody Thu Dec 5 07:08:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C637712002E; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:08:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQNNS4vBNf_b; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ACB5120013; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82cc7ef0034996fbfb45dc371.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cc7:ef00:3499:6fbf:b45d:c371]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1icskB-00083f-H5; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:08:39 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: <157555705167.16500.17382946462715568367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 16:08:38 +0100 Cc: The IESG , ietf@trammell.ch, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <68BD61C9-ED5F-491D-9A9E-8049AE85BCDE@kuehlewind.net> References: <157555705167.16500.17382946462715568367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Benjamin Kaduk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1575558524;0cb37c33; X-HE-SMSGID: 1icskB-00083f-H5 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 15:08:46 -0000 Hi Ben, Sorry, I missed that this was not updated. I did confirm with the = shepherd that this as all been resolved and confirmed. Will make sure = the write-up gets updated for the record accordingly. Mirja > On 5. Dec 2019, at 15:44, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The shepherd writeup (which has a note that it is still in progress = and > not ready for submission) indicates that the "IPR questions are = pending". > Please confirm that they were affirmatively resolved. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Dec 5 07:09:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273D4120013; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:09:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oOlmPjozL0Ic; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 729CA120019; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id xB5F9TPF029276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Dec 2019 10:09:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:09:29 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Mirja Kuehlewind Cc: The IESG , ietf@trammell.ch, ippm-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <20191205150929.GE13890@kduck.mit.edu> References: <157555705167.16500.17382946462715568367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <68BD61C9-ED5F-491D-9A9E-8049AE85BCDE@kuehlewind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <68BD61C9-ED5F-491D-9A9E-8049AE85BCDE@kuehlewind.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 15:09:36 -0000 Excellent; thank you! -Ben On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:08:38PM +0100, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Sorry, I missed that this was not updated. I did confirm with the shepherd that this as all been resolved and confirmed. Will make sure the write-up gets updated for the record accordingly. > > Mirja > > > > > On 5. Dec 2019, at 15:44, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] ... > > On December 4, 2019 at 1:38:07 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: ... > > > If an RFC-to-be includes a Performance Metric and a proposed Performa= nce > > > Metrics Registry entry, but the IANA and Performance Metric Expert re= view > > > determines that one or more of the Section 5 criteria have not been m= et, > > > then the IESG approval process MUST proceed with the proposed Perform= ance > > > Metrics Registry entry removed from the text. When the RFC-to-be auth= ors > > > are ready to show evidence of meeting the criteria in section 5, they > > > SHOULD re-submit the proposed Performance Metrics Registry entry to I= ANA > > > to be evaluated in consultation with the Performance Metric Experts f= or > > > registration at that time. > > > > This text basically says that if the criteria in =C2=A75 is not met, th= en > > the specific entry must not be in the RFC. At some point in the > > future (when the =C2=A75 criteria is met), publication of the entry can > > proceed -- presumably in a different RFC. > [acm] > Yes. > > > > As Alissa mentioned in her DISCUSS, the text needs to be generalized > > to cover specifications from other SDOs. I'm not sure how preventing > > publication would work there. > [acm] > It doesn't apply to other SDOs. > There are process points that only apply to IETF and RFCs-to-be, > such as the one we are discussing. > IANA can receive a request from other SDOs directly, and > we cover those cases separately. IWO, we do not generalize > every instance of RFC to "spec", because IANA review > coincides with IIESG review. Your answer made go look at =C2=A78.1 again and the paragraph we're discussing in context. =C2=A0Just one suggestion: s/then the IESG approval process MUST proceed with the proposed Performance Metrics Registry entry removed from the text./then the proposed Performance Metrics Registry entry MUST be removed from the text. I trust that this text will make it into your next update, so I'm clearing my DISCUSS. Thanks! Alvaro. From nobody Thu Dec 5 12:33:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867F61200CC; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 12:33:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <157557798354.16382.453970072175034852.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 12:33:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 20:33:04 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quite minor points, really, but they do need to be resolved before publication. (Slightly more details/locations in the COMMENT section.) We don't actually provide a definition (whether directly or by reference) for the "classic calculation for standard deviation of a population". We don't actually provide a definition (whether directly or by reference) for what the "time_offset" calibration value records. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2 This document defines the initial set of Performance Metrics Registry entries, for which IETF approval (following development in the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) Working Group) will satisfy the requirement for Expert Review. Most are Active Performance Metrics, That's not really how Expert Review works, though as is being discussed in other ballot threads, we have other options for getting these registered. Section 4 Note: Each Registry entry only produces a "raw" output or a statistical summary. To describe both "raw" and one or more statistics efficiently, the Identifier, Name, and Output Categories can be split and a single section can specify two or more closely- related metrics. This section specifies two Registry entries with many common columns. See Section 7 for an example specifying multiple Registry entries with many common columns. I'm not sure I understand the intended scope/audience of this remark. It is discussing something that we are doing for these registrations or something that might be done in the future? Section 4.2.2 o UDP Payload * total of 100 bytes In the vein of "clear and reproducible metric definition", should we say something about the content of the payload (even if it's just "the content is arbitrary")? Per Section 4.3.1 we could even note that a sequence number could be used as the payload. (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) o Tmax: a loss threshold waiting time * 3.0, expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction digits = 4 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) and with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms), with lossless conversion to/from the 32-bit NTP timestamp as per section 6 of [RFC5905]. Am I reading this right that the Tmax is a fixed parameter with value 3.0 seconds? If so, I'm confused why the extra specification on its representation is needed (and why we write only "3.0" and not "3.0000" to get the 4 fraction digits, though per RFC 6020 the fraction digits is just a maximum). (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) Section 4.3.1 The calculations on the delay (RTT) SHALL be performed on the conditional distribution, conditioned on successful packet arrival within Tmax. Also, when all packet delays are stored, the process which calculates the RTT value MAY enforce the Tmax threshold on stored values before calculations. See section 4.1 of [RFC3393] for Why is this a MAY and not a MUST? Wouldn't it make the results not necessarily reproducible/transferrable? (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) Section 4.3.2 dT the duration of the interval for allowed sample start times, with value 1.0, expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction digits = 4 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) and with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms). [1.0 does not have 4 fraction digits; though we did use 0.0200 for incT] Section 4.3.5 There are potentially privacy considerations (albeit likely to be minimal) with requiring the reporting of Src and Dst addresses as part of the measurement results. Section 4.4.2 95Percentile The time value of the result is expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction digits = 9 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) with resolution of 0.000000001 seconds (1.0 ns), and with lossless conversion to/from the 64-bit NTP timestamp as Is there a missing end of the sentence? Section 4.4.4 When a measurement controller requests a calibration measurement, the loopback is applied and the result is output in the same format as a normal measurement with additional indication that it is a calibration result. If the goal of the calibration is intended in part to quantify the random errors of a measurement, shouldn't we also report something akin to a variance or standard distribution, as opposed to just the same summary results that we would get from a non-calibration measurement? My understanding of what this says to do will only give you the "average offset" due to the random+systematic error (for the appropriate definition of "average") but not give you a sense for whether the effective precision is reduced by those random errors. (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) Section 5.4.4 Does this really give me a clear definition of what the time_offset is measuring (as opposed to just how to represent it)? (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) Section 6.3.1 DNS Messages bearing Queries provide for random ID Numbers in the Identification header field, so more than one query may be launched while a previous request is outstanding when the ID Number is used. Therefore, the ID Number MUST be retained at the Src or included with each response packet to disambiguate packet reordering if it occurs. Is this an "or" or an "and"? Also, the DNS protocol is pretty well specified about this already, right, so we're just noting the properties that is has? In addition to operations described in [RFC2681], the Src MUST parse the DNS headers of the reply and prepare the information for subsequent reporting as a measured result, along with the Round-Trip Delay. Since we only use the Rcode, maybe we could be more specific than "the information"? Section 6.3.2 Section 11.1.3 of RFC 2681 [RFC2330] provides three methods to generate Poisson sampling intervals. The reciprocal of lambda is the average packet rate, thus the Run-time Parameter is Reciprocal_lambda = 1/lambda, in seconds. Wouldn't something measured in seconds be an inter-packet interval, not a "packet rate"? (Hmm, § 7.3.2 calls it the "average packet spacing".) Section 6.3.5 Trunc Upper limit on Poisson distribution expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction digits = 4 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms), and with lossless conversion to/from the 32-bit NTP timestamp as per section 6 of [RFC5905] (values above this limit will be clipped and set to the limit value). (if fixed, Trunc = 30.0000 seconds.) For a registered matric, a parameter is either Fixed or Run-time; there is no option. This last parenthetical needs to be removed. ID The 16-bit identifier assigned by the program that generates the query, and which must vary in successive queries, see Section 4.1.1 of [RFC1035]. This identifier is copied into the corresponding reply and can be used by the requester (Src) to match-up replies to outstanding queries. If it must vary in successive queries (which are still part of the same Stream), that's not a single Run-time parameter anymore, is it? QTYPE The Query Type, which will correspond to the IP address family of the query (decimal 1 for IPv4 or 28 for IPv6, formatted as a uint16, as per section 9.2 of [RFC6020]. Does this implicitly exclude non-IP-address queries? Section 7.2.2 Do we need to report or specify which TWAMP security features are in use, in case that has an effect on processing times and the corresponding measurements? (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) Section 7.3.1 The reference method requires some way to distinguish between different packets in a stream to establish correspondence between sending times and receiving times for each successfully-arriving packet. Sequence numbers or other send-order identification MUST be retained at the Src or included with each packet to disambiguate packet reordering if it occurs. Since a standard measurement protocol is employed [RFC5357], then the measurement process will determine the sequence numbers or timestamps applied to test packets after the Fixed and Runtime parameters are passed to that process. The measurement protocol dictates the format of sequence numbers and time-stamps conveyed in the TWAMP-Test packet payload. I'm not sure whether it makes sense to keep the end of the first paragraph given that the second paragraph covers the specifics of how the requirement is satisfied. (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) Section 7.4.2.5 See section 4.3.2 of [RFC6049] for a closely related method for calculating this statistic, and 4.3.3 of [RFC6049]. The formula is the classic calculation for standard deviation of a population. Please provide the actual formula, whether directly or by reference. A "closely related method" implies that it is not the actual method to use, leaving the actual method to use underspecified here. Section 9 Interesting to see that we don't include 95thpercentile or StdDev for ICMP, though this is of course not actually problematic. All column entries beside the ID, Name, Description, and Output Reference Method categories are the same, thus this section proposes two closely-related registry entries. As a result, IANA is also asked to assign four corresponding URLs to each Named Metric. nit: s/four// Section 9.2.2 o ICMP Payload * total of 32 bytes of random info Randomly selected when -- per-test? per-packet? I note that this is the "fixed parameters" section, and the above seems to be anything but *fixed*. Section 10 All column entries beside the ID, Name, Description, and Output Reference Method categories are the same, thus this section proposes four closely-related registry entries. As a result, IANA is also asked to assign four corresponding URLs to each Named Metric. nit: s/four// Section 10.1.2 nit: s/opportuinty/opportunity/ Section 10.2.1 Traffic filters reduce the packet stream at the OP to a Qualified bidirectional flow packets. nit: singular/plural mistmatch "a"/"packets" For a real number, RTD_fwd, >> the Round-trip Delay in the Forward direction from OP to host B at time T' is RTD_fwd << REQUIRES that OP observed a Qualified Packet to host B at wire-time T', that host B received that packet and sent a Corresponding Packet back to host A, and OP observed the Corresponding Packet at wire-time T' + RTD_fwd. I'm either failing to parse this or confused by the notation (or both). Are the doubled angle brackets intended to enclose a parenthetical remark defining RTD_fwd? (If so, why would traditional parentheses not work?) Section 11 Please mention the potential privacy considerations for observed traffic, particularly for passive metrics. An attacker that knows that its TCP connection is being measured can modify its behavior to skew the measurement results. Security. Each referenced Metric contains a Security Considerations section. I do not see any such sections. Section 14.2 Shouldn't RFC 5481 be normative, given that in Section 5.3.1 we see that "this metric entry requires implementation of the PDV form defined in section 4.2 of [RFC5481]"? 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smtp-2-0001.mail.infomaniak.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8CDE910126848 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:16:45 +0100 (CET) From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <899C1744-962A-440F-8CC5-81D19662A976@trammell.ch> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:16:44 +0100 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Documents adopted: capacity-metric-method, ioam-direct-export X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:16:50 -0000 Greetings, all, draft-morton-ippm-capacity-metric-method and = draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export have been adopted. Authors, = please submit the next revisions as = draft-ietf-ippm-capacity-metric-method and = draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-direct-export. Thanks, cheers, Brian (as co-chair, IPPM)= From nobody Mon Dec 9 11:48:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8007E12012E for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:48:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157592088752.2239.10379135459074683673.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:48:07 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Milestones changed for ippm WG X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 19:48:07 -0000 Deleted milestone "Submit draft on RFC 2680 standards-track advancement testing to IESG as Informational". Deleted milestone "Submit draft updating the IPPM Framework (2330-update) to IESG as Proposed Standard". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on reference path for measurement location to IESG as Informational". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on access rate measurement protocol problem statement to IESG as Informational". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on OWAMP / TWAMP Security to IESG as Proposed Standard". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on "A One-Way Delay Metric for IPPM" (RFC 2679 bis) as Internet Standard". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on "A One-Way Loss Metric for IPPM" (RFC 2680 bis) as Internet Standard". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on DSCP and ECN monitoring in TWAMP to IESG as Proposed Standard". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on the UDP Checksum Trailer in OWAMP and TWAMP to the IESG as Informational". Deleted milestone "Submit a draft defining terminology for the continuum of passive and active measurement to the IESG as Informational". Deleted milestone "Submit draft on model-based TCP bulk transfer capacity metrics to IESG as Experimental". Deleted milestone "Submit a draft on the IPv6 Performance and Diagnostic Metrics (PDM) Destination Option as Proposed Standard". Deleted milestone "submit a Standards Track document to the IESG adding support for IEEE-1588 timestamps to TWAMP". Changed milestone "submit a Standards Track document to the IESG for a YANG model for managing TWAMP clients and servers", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang to milestone. Changed milestone "submit a Standards Track draft on inband OAM based measurement methodologies to the IESG", set due date to March 2020 from November 2018. 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This last call has now ended, and = we will progress the document. Based on the discussion on-list, we will expect an -07 revision before = sending up to the IESG. Brian Trammell has graciously offered to = shepherd the document. Authors, please submit a revised version when ready. Best, Tommy > On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Brian Trammell (IETF) = wrote: >=20 > Greetings, all, >=20 > The IPPM working group intends to send draft-ietf-ippm-route-06 to the = IESG for publication. This message begins a Working Group Last Call on = to end on Monday 9 December 2019. Please send a message to ippm@ietf.org = stating whether you believe the document is ready for publication, and = if not, please explain why not and/org provide comments to improve the = document for publication. >=20 > Many thanks, cheers, >=20 > Brian (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From nobody Mon Dec 9 12:18:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2C11201E0 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:18:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:18:09 -0800 (PST) Sender: tpauly@apple.com From: Tommy Pauly Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F3A10708-E70F-45B1-9EB0-E7BA5D09DAA9" MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3594.4.17\)) Message-id: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:18:07 -0800 To: IETF IPPM WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3594.4.17) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-12-09_04:, , signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 20:18:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F3A10708-E70F-45B1-9EB0-E7BA5D09DAA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the = Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to = ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you think = this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair)= --Apple-Mail=_F3A10708-E70F-45B1-9EB0-E7BA5D09DAA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hello= IPPM,

Continuing on = in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working Group Last = Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark= -03

The = Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please = reply to ippm@ietf.org = with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you think this document = is ready for publication.

Best,
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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F090CE@njmtexg5.research.att.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] [Last-Call] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 21:28:02 -0000 On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 09:22:53PM +0000, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Thanks Roni! > > I'm glad you took this on, the long sets of comments/DISCUSS > from Benjamin kept me very busy while I was flying > again - literally all day on Sunday to reach Kona, HI. > You'll see those replies after I sort-out a few more > details today, also Magnus' DISCUSS. It seemed as though > whenever all DISCUSSes on a memo were cleared, someone > pooped in a new DISCUSS to be sure that neither memo was > Approved, even something trivial. Benjamin entered his DISCUSS > after the telechat! > > Have you seen this with other memos? It is quite unusual. I only did it with the approval of the responsible AD, given that the documents in question were added to the telechat agenda late, and pushing the 'defer' button instead would have meant a two-week (or more!) delay. -Ben From nobody Mon Dec 9 14:19:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DD312018B; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 14:19:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oDt1KzEgP24i; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 14:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2BE5120086; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 14:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0083689.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0083689.ppops.net-00191d01. 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It seemed as though > > whenever all DISCUSSes on a memo were cleared, someone > > pooped in a new DISCUSS to be sure that neither memo was > > Approved, even something trivial. Benjamin entered his DISCUSS > > after the telechat! > > > > Have you seen this with other memos? >=20 > It is quite unusual. > I only did it with the approval of the responsible AD, given that the > documents in question were added to the telechat agenda late, and pushing > the 'defer' button instead would have meant a two-week (or more!) delay. >=20 > -Ben [acm]=20 Thanks Ben! Your comments are very detailed - why they took extra consideration to address, with a little more work to do. Last week was one of the most stressful of my career,=20 with 2 years of design, lab tests and field tests, plus crazy comment resolution hanging in the balance for Approval in ITU-T SG12.=20 On top of that, trying to meet Mirja's goal of clearing all comments and DISCUSSes by Wednesday night, so there would be a clean copy for the telechat - the comments kept coming and we didn't make it. But a lot of comments and one DISCUSS were cleared. You'll replies shortly, and we con work-out the last details as necessary. Al >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DkB6TNupdXjwc3qtP2RpoPO2f= 9DEfd > GA001X5NKqNh9o&s=3Dhj4tXdvpaN6IEsG_-JiOCTIFlq6FaAGdV-54epvF8JI&e=3D From nobody Tue Dec 10 00:56:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CBE120288; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:56:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ybDRY8vqtz40; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA31E120110; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 19A8A5B5896D39260E59; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:56:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.59) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:56:04 +0000 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.33) by fraeml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:56:04 +0100 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) by fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:56:04 +0100 From: Giuseppe Fioccola To: Tommy Pauly , IETF IPPM WG CC: "draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark Thread-Index: AQHVrs3X6Go/87GQBkK5gbvs1jYGAaezDZww Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:56:04 +0000 Message-ID: <8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64@huawei.com> References: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> In-Reply-To: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.210.172.23] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:56:11 -0000 --_000_8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Tommy, All, I support this draft as an author and I think it is ready for publication. Best Regards, Giuseppe From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 9:18 PM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt= -mark Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working G= roup Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.or= g with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you = think this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair) --_000_8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Tommy, All,

I support this draft as an author and= I think it is ready for publication.

 

Best Regards,

 

Giuseppe

 

&nbs= p;

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf= .org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 9:18 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipo= int-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now = beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-a= lt-mark:

 

 

The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23= . Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and i= ndicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publication.

 

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)

--_000_8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64huaweicom_-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 01:23:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF869120861 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:23:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id euwjoUnpt9TT for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C744E120860 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 864BECC89680D00EE1BD for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:23:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:23:35 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:21:44 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: Tommy Pauly , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark Thread-Index: AQHVrs3Wz/4xwgSnlUWND0LUUdpP0qezGEiA Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:21:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> In-Reply-To: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.162] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF13CAE2NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:23:40 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF13CAE2NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tommy and WG, I've read this document and think it's mature and ready to be published. Support. Cheers, Tianran From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:18 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt= -mark Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working G= roup Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.or= g with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you = think this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair) --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF13CAE2NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tommy and WG,

 

I've read this document and think it'= s mature and ready to be published.

Support.

 

Cheers,

Tianran

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf= .org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:18 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipo= int-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now = beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-a= lt-mark:

 

 

The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23= . Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and i= ndicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publication.

 

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)

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As co-author I support this draft. In my opinion it is ready for publication. Regards. Mauro _____________________ Mauro Cociglio Telecom Italia-TIM Via G. Reiss Romoli, 274 10148 - Torino (Italy) Tel.: +390112285028 Mobile: +393357669751 _____________________ Da: ippm Per conto di Tommy Pauly Inviato: luned=EC 9 dicembre 2019 21:18 A: IETF IPPM WG Oggetto: [EXT] [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoin= t-alt-mark Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working Gr= oup Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.org= with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you th= ink this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair) Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, print= ing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended reci= pient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sender= by return e-mail, Thanks. Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =E8 necessario. --_000_c9701b58b3ac401a8fe2639a770a226cTELMBXA06RM001telecomit_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All.

As co-author I support this draft.

In my opinion it is ready for publication.

Regards.

Mauro=

__________= ___________

Mauro Coci= glio

Telecom It= alia-TIM

Via G. Rei= ss Romoli, 274

10148 - To= rino (Italy)

Tel.: += ;390112285028

Mobile: &#= 43;393357669751

__________= ___________

 

 

Da: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> Per= conto di Tommy Pauly
Inviato: luned=EC 9 dicembre 2019 21:18
A: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Oggetto: [EXT] [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-mu= ltipoint-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now b= eginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt= -mark:

 

 

The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23.= Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and in= dicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publication.=

 

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)

Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle= persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante d= alla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora a= bbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di da= rne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie.

This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privil= eged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying,= printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intende= d recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the s= ender by return e-mail, Thanks.

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Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHVq0HE1V7HwhNjpUW0yVWGBH5X46ewg1fg Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:36:52 +0000 Message-ID: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0974B@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <157553269383.11096.11664366118558898995.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <157553269383.11096.11664366118558898995.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [24.43.232.178] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,18.0.572 definitions=2019-12-10_04:2019-12-10,2019-12-10 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 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"MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: Benjamin Kaduk , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org" , Brian Trammell , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHVq6s+XYFTOKP9ekuN70tKpkiEw6ewk9Hw Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:37:02 +0000 Message-ID: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F09758@njmtexg5.research.att.com> References: <157557798354.16382.453970072175034852.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <157557798354.16382.453970072175034852.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [24.43.232.178] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,18.0.572 definitions=2019-12-10_05:2019-12-10,2019-12-10 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam 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draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:53:03 -0000 --0000000000006e01c905995fb245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, I support this draft as an author and think it is ready for publication. Cheers, --- Amedeo On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:56 AM Giuseppe Fioccola < giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com> wrote: > Dear Tommy, All, > > I support this draft as an author and I think it is ready for publication. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Giuseppe > > > > > > *From:* ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Tommy Pauly > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 9:18 PM > *To:* IETF IPPM WG > *Subject:* [ippm] Working Group Last Call: > draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark > > > > Hello IPPM, > > > > Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working > Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 > > > > The Last Call will end on *Monday, December 23*. Please reply to > ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you think > this document is ready for publication. > > > > Best, > > Tommy (as co-chair) > --0000000000006e01c905995fb245 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,=C2=A0
I support this draft as an author and think it is ready=C2=A0= for publication.

Cheers,
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:56 AM Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear Tommy, All,

I support this draft as an author and I thin= k it is ready for publication.

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Best Regards,

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Giuseppe

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From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 9:18 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipo= int-alt-mark

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Hello IPPM,

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Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now = beginning the Working Group Last Call for=C2=A0draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-a= lt-mark:

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The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23= . Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with y= our reviews, and indicate whether or not you think this document is ready f= or publication.

=C2=A0

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)

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Al > -----Original Message----- > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw via > Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 9:08 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org; > ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial- > registry-14: (with COMMENT) >=20 > Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLF= YZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DO56huWH1m0V8YhNMLHVQILer= DQ4Gi > osnvgCNEyLxcq0&s=3DYoJw4yPcCbeZrHEksGMJdELQA5JRl1RzIR2Ems2APpg&e=3D > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial- > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DO56huWH1m0V8YhNMLHVQILer= DQ4Gi > osnvgCNEyLxcq0&s=3D9FDZNvA5QSA36ekO0kUQy1w5ZCsG78sPoY4zMSxkhGs&e=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Trivial editorial nits: > - Section 4.4.4. s/*available accuracy*/available accuracy/ > - Section 4.5.2. s/This RFC numner/This RFC number/ > - Section 7.5.2. s/This REFC number/This RFC number/ > - Section 10.5.2. s/This RFC/This RFC number/ > - Section 10.3.1. s/with[Strowes]/with [Strowes/] >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ippm&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DO56huWH1m0V8YhNMLHVQILer= DQ4Gi > osnvgCNEyLxcq0&s=3DSmDsOprkpcvGABGIHnkdd6hHNwJ73HIhCqrbt7PPbxQ&e=3D From nobody Tue Dec 10 22:14:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE30D12004A; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 22:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 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from lhreml717-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.68) by lhreml717-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.68) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:14:14 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.38) by lhreml717-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.68) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:14:14 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.101]) by dggemm421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 14:14:10 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "gen-art@ietf.org" , "last-call@ietf.org" , "alissa@cooperw.in" CC: "ippm@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [ippm] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-20 Thread-Index: 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[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UjyYWi1Dr-PB; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from antispam.polito.it (fm1nodo1.polito.it [130.192.180.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FE30120114; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from polito.it (frontmail2.polito.it [130.192.180.42]) by antispam.polito.it with ESMTP id xBB9VLw0031626-xBB9VLw2031626 (version=TLSv1.0 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:31:21 +0100 X-ExtScanner: Niversoft's FindAttachments (free) Received: from [172.22.16.62] (account d001943@polito.it HELO Riccardos-MacBook-Pro.local) by polito.it (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.5) with ESMTPSA id 118064216; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:31:21 +0100 To: Giuseppe Fioccola , Tommy Pauly , IETF IPPM WG Cc: "draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark@ietf.org" References: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> <8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64@huawei.com> From: Riccardo Sisto Message-ID: <0cf0b51b-0ae8-8a32-d7c2-4c028d610dca@polito.it> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:31:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8305e7591509409fb7b676b974bb6d64@huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:31:38 -0000 Dear All, I too support this draft as an author and I think it is ready for publication. Best regards, Riccardo On 10/12/2019 09:56, Giuseppe Fioccola wrote: > Dear Tommy, All, > I support this draft as an author and I think it is ready for publication. > > Best Regards, > > Giuseppe > > > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 9:18 PM > To: IETF IPPM WG > Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark > > Hello IPPM, > > Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 > > The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. 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Cheers, Tal. On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 10:18 PM Tommy Pauly wrote: > Hello IPPM, > > Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working > Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 > > The Last Call will end on *Monday, December 23*. Please reply to > ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you think > this document is ready for publication. > > Best, > Tommy (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > --000000000000c1681405996e727c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe this draft is ready for publication.

Cheers,
Tal.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 10:18 PM Tommy P= auly <tpauly=3D40apple.com= @dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hello IPPM,
Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning = the Working Group Last Call for=C2=A0draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark:


The Last= Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, = and indicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publicatio= n.

Best,
Tommy (as co-chair)
= _______________________________________________
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--000000000000c1681405996e727c-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 07:44:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D09120B98; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:44:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157607905988.11422.1022562029206237961@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:44:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-route-07.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:44:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Advanced Unidirectional Route Assessment (AURA) Authors : J. Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin Al Morton Joachim Fabini Carlos Pignataro Ruediger Geib Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-route-07.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2019-12-11 Abstract: This memo introduces an advanced unidirectional route assessment (AURA) metric and associated measurement methodology, based on the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) Framework RFC 2330. This memo updates RFC 2330 in the areas of path-related terminology and path description, primarily to include the possibility of parallel subpaths between a given Source and Destination pair, owing to the presence of multi- path technologies. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-route/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-route-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-route-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-route-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 11 09:01:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122F4120045 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=telecomitalia.it Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hA2y_CjsCx5L for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx06.telecomitalia.it (mx06.telecomitalia.it [156.54.232.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA9B312000F for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:01:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=telecomitalia.it; s=selector1; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; i=@telecomitalia.it; t=1576083681; x=2439997281; h=MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To; bh=BoaqG8VWARzdZ+T9gmoHF4L7NpjMenCQypMypvR+5xw=; b=LRN86DcUl4HpjZkflBlAWxC+swS17YiLbz6iIvZEh2lpa3CMNGuIFH87Rd7ofC7w CxD30gVyyuvRuAgJ4H9/s/j0ustgBSbVvyd43WjDh5wYSCR/B7pzlvEpcJ8PoYM6 TkB7Mp243ul3q+qheL///Z4rP4hYkvfi9y+FWLkUTELpIZzn936yYNW/0PsEdm/u E1v9fGQcEk59FDfpAVdgmK8GCeCu8PmsekEcafEs2bKPKOWH6Rq9UlOzpn2QU/pw OX/4Zm/IjIdAjy54FLUgIAIuItt4E+8nWamaAnd6NGpNDf3021Ktpu6u4lF1jXE8 9sPWE2tsp4ZFztmcprvC7A==; X-AuditID: 0a5a2d16-197ff700000035b5-9f-5df120e1951c Received: from TELMBXD13BA020.telecomitalia.local ( [10.90.43.75]) by mx06.telecomitalia.it () with SMTP id C8.70.13749.1E021FD5; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:01:21 +0100 (CET) From: Nilo Massimo To: IETF IPPM WG , Tommy Pauly , Giuseppe Fioccola Thread-Topic: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark Thread-Index: AdWwRF0lO+LTQH4PTACe2IRwVY3fuQ== Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:01:20 +0000 Message-ID: <173e2e986f17461c97816fe0a4c852db@TELMBXC13BA020.telecomitalia.local> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.229.4.35] x-ti-disclaimer: ADBanner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_173e2e986f17461c97816fe0a4c852dbTELMBXC13BA020telecomit_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrBKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFaXtrftQ4WOswdLtvBZr5qxgsuh58I7Z omfSK2YHZo8Ty66werQcecvqsWTJT6YA5qgGRpvEvLz8ksSSVIWU1OJkWyWXzOLknMTM3NQi BUcXJ6BkapGSQmaKrZKZkkJBTmJyam5qXomtUmJBQWpeipIdlwIGsAEqy8xTSM1Lzk/JzEu3 VfIM9te1sDC11DVUsgssTS0uyVfITS0uTkxPz8xXSLgmktFzdyd7wXSbisc7m9gaGLvMuhg5 OSQETCRO7prF0sXIxSEksJJRon/FP1aQBJuAkcTpFb9YQRIiAu2MEht65zCCJIQFwiRmHlrF BGKLCERLdC1dygxh60m0fJ7LAmJzCghI/GqfxQKxgVdiytyT7CA2i4CqxK6zC8B6eQUCJeae WgJmMwrISkzYvQhsPrOAuMStJ/OZIHoFJJbsOc8MYYtKvHwMcZyEgIHE1qX7gOZzANnyEgc/ eUCEJSUOH97EBhJmFsiXeLY5B2KToMTJmU9YJjCKzEKyYBZC1SwkVRAlOhILdn9ig7C1JZYt fM0MY5858JgJWXwBI/sqRtHcCgMzvZLUnNTk/NzMksSczES9zJJNjOC0oiu2g/HB+jd6hxiZ OBgPMUpwMCuJ8B5vexcrxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iNEHGEITmaVEk/OBiS2vJN7Q1MzU3NjI zNTA1MwSh7CSOO+/Px9ihQTSgakrOzW1ILUIZhwTB6dUA1PH9P5yr8lz76h7X/gV1vbz3LU7 EksFrp4z/WK8ze374aAHJn7ie/nZXjPLZ6cp/76ScvzcHIfmTcm3unViGbe65Sj/e7FpXfWd 6e8/GOYuvO3NskGHx3SV8rQt/m45dczlwr0pLZM9HKqKfnJWhEibzGBQef1i8mmXuZHPtG/F 3BTMc+zaPVXis4jal9XRTYI2UXMDE5Xr9/Jn1KyycDmrHyr86UJggNuKGdI389QamIWXVizf 2HLpFv+W6b/aW97rxe/Tqbs+64i+UUnY+dfZc95/W63zu5opKlhE9TfTn6f2Z/xZtjdwHDkr 5KvzuEusUPvHtzCjA/qXE7SNyo/UhPM+sCvUDZQVf/LvrBJLcUaioRZzUXEiABICatXLAwAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:01:28 -0000 --_000_173e2e986f17461c97816fe0a4c852dbTELMBXC13BA020telecomit_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I support this draft and I think it is ready for publication. Best regards, --Massimo > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 9:18 PM > To: IETF IPPM WG > > Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-al= t-mark > > Hello IPPM, > > Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working= Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 > > The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.o= rg> with y= our reviews, and indicate whether or not you think this document is ready fo= r publication. > > Best, > Tommy (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, print= ing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended reci= pient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sender= by return e-mail, Thanks. Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non =E8 necessario. --_000_173e2e986f17461c97816fe0a4c852dbTELMBXC13BA020telecomit_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all, 

I support this draft and I think it is ready&= nbsp;for publication.

 

Best regards,

 

--Massimo

 

 

> From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly

> Sent: Monday, December 9= , 2019 9:18 PM

> To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>

> Subject: [ippm] Working= Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark<= /p>

>

> Hello IPPM,

>

> Continuing on in our lis= t of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-= ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark:

>

> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03

>

> The Last Call will end o= n Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org> with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you think this document= is ready for publication.

>

> Best,<= /p>

> Tommy (as co-chair)=

>

_____________________________= __________________

ippm mailing list<= /span>

ippm@ietf.org

https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm= =

Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle= persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante d= alla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora a= bbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di da= rne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie.

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--_000_173e2e986f17461c97816fe0a4c852dbTELMBXC13BA020telecomit_-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 18:47:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194891200C5; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:47:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157611886199.9457.8551480821343971248@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:47:42 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-23.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 02:47:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Registry for Performance Metrics Authors : Marcelo Bagnulo Benoit Claise Philip Eardley Al Morton Aamer Akhter Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-23.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2019-12-11 Abstract: This document defines the format for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. This document also gives a set of guidelines for Registered Performance Metric requesters and reviewers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-23 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-23 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-23 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 11 18:50:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ECC1200F6; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ippm@ietf.org Message-ID: <157611900343.9604.10202638584904400546@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:50:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 02:50:03 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Measurement WG of the IETF. Title : Initial Performance Metrics Registry Entries Authors : Al Morton Marcelo Bagnulo Philip Eardley Kevin D'Souza Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15.txt Pages : 78 Date : 2019-12-11 Abstract: This memo defines the set of Initial Entries for the IANA Performance Metrics Registry. The set includes: UDP Round-trip Latency and Loss, Packet Delay Variation, DNS Response Latency and Loss, UDP Poisson One-way Delay and Loss, UDP Periodic One-way Delay and Loss, ICMP Round-trip Latency and Loss, and TCP round-trip Latency and Loss. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 11 19:47:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B4A120086 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DC37tN914Urv for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96F601201EF for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 3313B6912360DB27927D for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 03:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML423-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.40) by LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 03:46:57 +0000 Received: from DGGEML510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.93]) by dggeml423-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 11:46:51 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Tommy Pauly , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark Thread-Index: AQHVrs3XvX2D360fAkm0KF5t6Yzd5qe133EA Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 03:46:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> In-Reply-To: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE2977817FAdggeml510mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 03:47:02 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE2977817FAdggeml510mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tommy, I have the latest version of the document, and think it's ready for publica= tion. BTW, the email title seems not right :) Best regards, Mach From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:18 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt= -mark Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working G= roup Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.or= g with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you = think this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair) --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE2977817FAdggeml510mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tommy,

 

I have the latest vers= ion of the document, and think it’s ready for publication.=

 

BTW, the email title s= eems not right J

 

Best regards,

Mach=

 

 

From: = ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:18 AM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipo= int-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of La= st Calls, we are now beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-i= etf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark:

 

 

The Last Call will end on Mo= nday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and i= ndicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publication.

 

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)<= /span>

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE2977817FAdggeml510mbxchi_-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 20:57:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A2E120059; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I8YmaYXzPbKg; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 137C512029C; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id xBC4um3P023348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:56:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:56:48 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "ippm@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20191212045648.GT13890@kduck.mit.edu> References: <157553269383.11096.11664366118558898995.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0974B@njmtexg5.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0974B@njmtexg5.research.att.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 04:56:59 -0000 Hi Al, Thanks for all the updates. Just a few more notes inline... On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 04:36:52PM +0000, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > please see replies below, > Al > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 2:58 AM > > To: The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; > > ietf@wjcerveny.com; ippm@ietf.org > > Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry- > > 22: (with COMMENT) > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=DwICaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=UMdJiopPvXH0rGwEWVH5t8Q9WbFXF > > qG0-Xe78jMsGpE&s=mzT1hSL2E7AlNR4tc4-ziFE1hrSzku6CctmzGeegZBs&e= > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dmetric- > > 2Dregistry_&d=DwICaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=UMdJiopPvXH0rGwEWVH5t8Q9WbFXF > > qG0-Xe78jMsGpE&s=9uMM8WPNbtgjXv72ejb5q5G3FhwRYq9HdcjugHRjDik&e= > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The sometimes-conversational tone of the text here is at odds with my > > mental preconception of what a BCP (or, for that matter, a > > Standards-Track document) is, though I make no claim that my mental > > preconception is relevant to anyone other than myself. > > > > I agree with the comment about parts of the text assuing that metric > > specifications will be RFCs being at odds with the lower > > specification-required regisration policy. > > > > I support Alissa's Discuss point. > > > > Section 1 > > > > applications transported over its protocols. Performance metrics are > > such an important part of the operations of IETF protocols that > > [RFC6390] specifies guidelines for their development. > > > > It's not entirely clear that the existence of RFC 6390 supports exactly > > this conclusion. > [acm] > Let's try > Performance metrics are important part of network operations using IETF protocols, > and [RFC6390] specifies guidelines for their development. > > > > > The definition and use of Performance Metrics in the IETF happens in > > various working groups (WG), most notably: > > > > Is this going to age well? > [acm] > Let's simply state the facts, in past a present tense. > IPPM and BMWG have demonstrated longevity: > > The definition and use of Performance Metrics in the IETF has been fostered in various working groups (WG), most notably: > > (and note the concluded WG). > > > > > The "Performance Metrics for Other Layers" (PMOL) a concluded WG, > > > > nits: s/a //, no comma > [acm] > ok > > > > > Section 2 > > > > Examples of Performance Metrics are the FTP response time for a > > complete file download, the DNS response time to resolve the IP > > address, a database logging time, etc. This definition is > > > > nit: DNS responses are not limited to single IP addresses, so the > > definite article seems wrong here. > [acm] > ok address(es) > > > > > consistent with the definition of metric in [RFC2330] and broader > > than the definition of performance metric in [RFC6390]. > > > > Why are we using a different definition of performance metric than BCP > > 170? [How can both be BCPs at the same time but be in conflict?] > [acm] > We learn as we go: RFC7799 should probably be a BCP and update 170. > I think this memo will be Standards track now, as a result of other > discussions. > > > > > Parameter: A Parameter is an input factor defined as a variable in > > the definition of a Performance Metric. A Parameter is a > > numerical or other specified factor forming one of a set that > > defines a metric or sets the conditions of its operation. All > > Parameters must be known to measure using a metric and interpret > > the results. There are two types of Parameters: Fixed and Run- > > > > nit: I suggest "all Parameters must be known in order to make a > > measurement using a metric", as currently "known to measure" flows > > oddly. > [acm] > Yes, agreed. > > > > > Section 3 > > > > groups: IPPM, XRBLOCK, IPFIX, and BMWG. This document analyzes an > > prior attempt to set up a Performance Metrics Registry, and the > > > > nit: s/ an/ a/ > [acm] > ok > > > > > Based on [RFC8126] Section 4.3, this document is processed as Best > > Current Practice (BCP) [RFC2026]. > > > > As was already noted, the referenced section does not have any obvious > > relevance to publication status for this document. > [acm] > This sentence has been removed, after it was discovered that the > 8126 changed the outline and requirements. > > > > > Section 4.1 > > > > As any IETF registry, the primary use for a registry is to manage a > > > > nit: I think this was intended to be "As for any IETF registry" > [acm] > flagged earlier, now: As with any ... > > > > > particular example is the LMAP framework [RFC7594]. Using the > > LMAP terminology, the Performance Metrics Registry is used in the > > LMAP Control protocol to allow a Controller to request a > > measurement task to one or more Measurement Agents. In order to > > > > nit: please check the grammar of "request a measurement task to". > [acm] > Yes, it matches the LMAP control framework. > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7594 I'm not sure that it does ... in common English usage (ignoring any 7594 jargon), one would "send a request to an agent to perform a measurement task" or "request an action of an agent" or "request that an agent perform a task" or "task an agent to perform an operation". While I didn't read all 50 pages of RFC 7594, some targeted searching fails to find a jargon usage where "request a task to an agent" has a specific meaning. > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > different (and incompatible) ways. Having a registry would allow > > both the IETF community and external people to have a single list of > > > > nit: I suggest rephrasing "external people" as needlessly divisive; > > perhaps "other communities"? > [acm] > Sounds better to me. > > > > > Section 7 > > > > form of registry extension. The specification defining the new > > column(s) MUST give guidelines to populate the new column(s) for > > existing entries (in general). > > > > Is "MUST (in general)" really still a "MUST"? > [acm] > I think so, we're talking about new columns having a similar > level of detail in their description as the columns in the > current registry (future version 2.0). I guess that there's a couple ways one could parse this sentence: "in general" could apply to the way the columns are populated, or to what the specification defining the new columns has to do. I was reading it in the second variant, and qualifying a MUST like that is fairly dicey with the current IESG. But the former parsing is not problematic, and it sounds like that's what you intended. Perhaps "MUST give general guidelines for populating" would avoid the misparse, though it may have problems of its own. > > > > Section 7.1.2 > > > > RTDelay (Round Trip Delay) > > > > RTDNS (Response Time Domain Name Service) > > > > It's slightly unfortunate that "RT" expands to both "Round Trip" and > > "Response Time". > [acm] > agree, no change though because no ambiguity for the complete element. > > > > > o SubTypeMethod: One or more sub-types to further describe the > > features of the entry, such as: > > > > ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol) > > > > IP (Internet Protocol) > > > > DSCPxx (where xx is replaced by a Diffserv code point) > > > > I thought Diffserv code point interpretation was a local matter; is it > > really appropriate in the metric definition? > [acm] > Yes, some DSCP values are widely accepted. > > > > > Section 7.3.5 > > > > devices. For example, parameters that include an IPv4 address can be > > encoded as a 32 bit integer (i.e. binary base64 encoded value) or ip- > > address as defined in [RFC6991]. The actual encoding(s) used must be > > > > nit: YANG types are specified distinctly from their possible encodings; > > indicating an XML or JSON encoded version of the YANG ip-address would > > be appropriate here. > [acm] > Yes, and we go on in the next sentence to say: > The actual encoding(s) used must be explicitly defined for each Run-time parameter. Whoops, sorry for missing that. > > > > explicitly defined for each Run-time parameter. IPv6 addresses and > > options MUST be accomodated, allowing Registered Metrics to be used > > in either address family. > > > > nit: is "either" too limiting, here? > [acm] > No, especially for active testing, where we generate the test traffic > in one address family at a time. I meant, we're implicitly saying that IPv4 and IPv6 are the only address families that anyone will ever care about. IANA has quite a few more than two that are defined... > > > > Section 8.2 > > > > A change to a Registered Performance Metric SHALL be determined to be > > backward-compatible only when: > > > > Is it better to give the Experts some leeway to do the right thing > > rather than locking it down with rigid procedures? > [acm] > Ok, removed "only" to allow for the un-foreseen. > > > > > Section 8.3 > > > > The use of deprecated Registered Performance Metrics should result in > > a log entry or human-readable warning by the respective application. > > > > Taken literally this would require any measurement agent to query IANA > > before performing every measurement, to confirm that the metric being > > used is not deprecated. Presumably some less-frequent polling > > frequencey would still be acceptable! > [acm] > Ok what we meant was: > The *intentional* use of deprecated... Thanks :) -Ben > > > > Section 10.2 > > > > reviewed along with the metric entry. New assignments for Registered > > Performance Metric Name Elements will be administered by IANA through > > Expert Review [RFC8126], i.e., review by one of a group of experts, > > the Performance Metric Experts, who are appointed by the IESG upon > > recommendation of the Transport Area Directors. > > > > It's not entirely clear to me that we need to go into this much detail > > when RFC 8126 covers it already. (Also elsewhere.) > [acm] > This background was needed by some, also people questioning the process... > > > > > Section 11.1.3 > > > > Please use https:// URIs. > [acm] > Done. > > > > Section 13.2 > > > > One might argue that RFC 7799 should be normative, since we defer to it > > for the allowed valuse for the Method column. > [acm] > I agree, fixed. > > > > From nobody Wed Dec 11 22:31:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B41D1200FF; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:31:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1sM9Exg95Mqz; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6415B1200FD; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id xBC6VhhV011478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:31:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:31:43 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org" , Brian Trammell , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ippm@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20191212063143.GV13890@kduck.mit.edu> References: <157557798354.16382.453970072175034852.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F09758@njmtexg5.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F09758@njmtexg5.research.att.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:31:53 -0000 On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 04:37:02PM +0000, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > Thanks for your review, please see replies below, > Al > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 3:33 PM > > To: The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org; Brian Trammell > > ; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; ietf@trammell.ch; ippm@ietf.org > > Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: > > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=ppr2cZUpYOwZNFNM- > > AVYIIbZmprIcWRkpil0txFbqNw&s=9uZ1zYhbpUMnkI- > > PrgJpngXD1cCYGXGrRYLlJKYaWxA&e= > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial- > > 2Dregistry_&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=OfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=ppr2cZUpYOwZNFNM- > > AVYIIbZmprIcWRkpil0txFbqNw&s=JX- > > Y6Mc8UNYVvJqdYM35CcHEEf58UUAWy7q2ZmBAsEA&e= > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Quite minor points, really, but they do need to be resolved before > > publication. (Slightly more details/locations in the COMMENT section.) > > > > We don't actually provide a definition (whether directly or by > > reference) for the "classic calculation for standard deviation of a > > population". > [acm] > This would be ambiguous if it left-out "of a population", > the alternative being sample standard deviation. > Millions of references and search results will > produce the right formula. But I have provided the formula > in Sections 7 and 8. > > > > > We don't actually provide a definition (whether directly or by > > reference) for what the "time_offset" calibration value records. > [acm] > I supplied the NTP reference for the term, which is RFC 5905. Thanks! I see the -15 has landed already, so I'll go clear after writing this message. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 2 > > > > This document defines the initial set of Performance Metrics Registry > > entries, for which IETF approval (following development in the IP > > Performance Metrics (IPPM) Working Group) will satisfy the > > requirement for Expert Review. Most are Active Performance Metrics, > > > > That's not really how Expert Review works, though as is being discussed > > in other ballot threads, we have other options for getting these > > registered. > [acm] > We tried to cover this special case when both drafts > seek approval at once. Now it says: > > This document defines a set of initial Performance Metrics Registry entries. > > > > > > Section 4 > > > > Note: Each Registry entry only produces a "raw" output or a > > statistical summary. To describe both "raw" and one or more > > statistics efficiently, the Identifier, Name, and Output Categories > > can be split and a single section can specify two or more closely- > > related metrics. This section specifies two Registry entries with > > many common columns. See Section 7 for an example specifying > > multiple Registry entries with many common columns. > > > > I'm not sure I understand the intended scope/audience of this remark. > > It is discussing something that we are doing for these registrations or > > something that might be done in the future? > [acm] > Authors of the future Registry entries will likely review > the current entries for guidance (and copying, which is fine). > This is the first registry entry, most-likely to be read that way, > and we provide a little extra guidance to start. I'd suggest making the connection more explicit, as in "can specify two or more closely-related metrics, as is done here", or "For example, this section specifies two Registry entries with many common columns". > > > > Section 4.2.2 > > > > o UDP Payload > > > > * total of 100 bytes > > > > In the vein of "clear and reproducible metric definition", should we say > > something about the content of the payload (even if it's just "the > > content is arbitrary")? Per Section 4.3.1 we could even note that a > > sequence number could be used as the payload. > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > [acm] > The bits in the payload are determined by the measurement protocol, > as you point-out the sequence number is part, and the rest of the > payload details are determined by that protocol. IF we said, > 100 bytes, of which the first 24 are the TWAMP-SENDER format, etc. > then we take-away choice of measurement protocol for this metric. It sounds like you're stance is that the reader will understand that this payload is to be used by the measurement protocol in use, and we don't need to hit them over the head with it? That's probably reasonable, given the target audience... > > > > o Tmax: a loss threshold waiting time > > > > * 3.0, expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of type > > decimal64 with fraction digits = 4 (see section 9.3 of > > [RFC6020]) and with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms), with > > lossless conversion to/from the 32-bit NTP timestamp as per > > section 6 of [RFC5905]. > > > > Am I reading this right that the Tmax is a fixed parameter with value > > 3.0 seconds? If so, I'm confused why the extra specification on its > > representation is needed (and why we write only "3.0" and not "3.0000" > > to get the 4 fraction digits, though per RFC 6020 the fraction digits is > > just a maximum). > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > [acm] > I don't think this is a significant issue, and others > seem to agree (we're in the late stages of review here). I agree that having it is not harmful, and any change comes with its own risk. > > > > Section 4.3.1 > > > > The calculations on the delay (RTT) SHALL be performed on the > > conditional distribution, conditioned on successful packet arrival > > within Tmax. Also, when all packet delays are stored, the process > > which calculates the RTT value MAY enforce the Tmax threshold on > > stored values before calculations. See section 4.1 of [RFC3393] for > > > > Why is this a MAY and not a MUST? Wouldn't it make the results not > > necessarily reproducible/transferrable? > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > [acm] > Good catch, fixed for all relevant sections. It's a tough one, since it's very tempting to say "but in this case I have the complete picture of data, so I can get more accurate numbers" ... but my sense is that the goal here is to focus on reproducibility/interoperability, so the latter concern trumps the desire for accuracy. > > Section 4.3.2 > > > > dT the duration of the interval for allowed sample start times, with > > value 1.0, expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of > > type decimal64 with fraction digits = 4 (see section 9.3 of > > [RFC6020]) and with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms). > > > > [1.0 does not have 4 fraction digits; though we did use 0.0200 for incT] > [acm] > we've skipped the extra digits for the values with all-zero-fractions... > > > > > Section 4.3.5 > > > > There are potentially privacy considerations (albeit likely to be > > minimal) with requiring the reporting of Src and Dst addresses as part > > of the measurement results. > [acm] > Please see the many privacy considerations identified in the > LMAP framework (which we've referenced). > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7594#section-8 Thanks for adding the reference in the security considerations section; that's a big help. > > > > Section 4.4.2 > > > > 95Percentile The time value of the result is expressed in units of > > seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction > > digits = 9 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) with resolution of > > 0.000000001 seconds (1.0 ns), and with lossless conversion to/from > > the 64-bit NTP timestamp as > > > > Is there a missing end of the sentence? > [acm] > Yes, will fix. > > > > Section 4.4.4 > > > > When a measurement controller requests a calibration measurement, the > > loopback is applied and the result is output in the same format as a > > normal measurement with additional indication that it is a > > calibration result. > > > > If the goal of the calibration is intended in part to quantify the > > random errors of a measurement, shouldn't we also report something akin > > to a variance or standard distribution, as opposed to just the same > > summary results that we would get from a non-calibration measurement? > > My understanding of what this says to do will only give you the > > "average offset" due to the random+systematic error (for the appropriate > > definition of "average") but not give you a sense for whether the > > effective precision is reduced by those random errors. > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > [acm] > I see your point, but it doesn't seem correct to add measurements > during calibration. The user could repeat the measurements many times > and review the reported results, or conduct a calibration with a > different metric. > > > > > Section 5.4.4 > > > > Does this really give me a clear definition of what the time_offset is > > measuring (as opposed to just how to represent it)? > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > > [acm] > We are using the RFC 5905 definition of time offset. > I'll add the references where they are needed. Thanks. > > Section 6.3.1 > > > > DNS Messages bearing Queries provide for random ID Numbers in the > > Identification header field, so more than one query may be launched > > while a previous request is outstanding when the ID Number is used. > > Therefore, the ID Number MUST be retained at the Src or included with > > each response packet to disambiguate packet reordering if it occurs. > > > > Is this an "or" or an "and"? Also, the DNS protocol is pretty well > > specified about this already, right, so we're just noting the properties > > that is has? > [acm] > Yes, and is correct. We're adding a consideration for the measurement > which isn't the emphasis of the DNS specs. > > > > > In addition to operations described in [RFC2681], the Src MUST parse > > the DNS headers of the reply and prepare the information for > > subsequent reporting as a measured result, along with the Round-Trip > > Delay. > > > > Since we only use the Rcode, maybe we could be more specific than "the > > information"? > [acm] > ok > > > > > Section 6.3.2 > > > > Section 11.1.3 of RFC 2681 [RFC2330] provides three methods to > > generate Poisson sampling intervals. The reciprocal of lambda is the > > average packet rate, thus the Run-time Parameter is Reciprocal_lambda > > = 1/lambda, in seconds. > > > > Wouldn't something measured in seconds be an inter-packet interval, not > > a "packet rate"? (Hmm, 7.3.2 calls it the "average packet spacing".) > [acm] > it should be s/in seconds/in packets per second/ I thought that lambda was in pps but 1/lambda would be seconds (as written). My complaint here was about "reciprocal of lambda is the average packet rate", which I thought should be "reciprocal of lambda is the average packet spacing" to match 7.3.2. > > > > > Section 6.3.5 > > > > Trunc Upper limit on Poisson distribution expressed in units of > > seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction > > digits = 4 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) with resolution of > > 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms), and with lossless conversion to/from the > > 32-bit NTP timestamp as per section 6 of [RFC5905] (values above > > this limit will be clipped and set to the limit value). (if fixed, > > Trunc = 30.0000 seconds.) > > > > For a registered matric, a parameter is either Fixed or Run-time; there > > is no option. This last parenthetical needs to be removed. > [acm] > Done. > > > > ID The 16-bit identifier assigned by the program that generates the > > query, and which must vary in successive queries, see > > Section 4.1.1 of [RFC1035]. This identifier is copied into the > > corresponding reply and can be used by the requester (Src) to > > match-up replies to outstanding queries. > > > > If it must vary in successive queries (which are still part of the same > > Stream), that's not a single Run-time parameter anymore, is it? > [acm] > I see, if one query fails, we need more than one ID to get a successful response. > So > ... and which must vary in successive queries (a list of IDs is needed), I think so, yes. > > > > QTYPE The Query Type, which will correspond to the IP address family > > of the query (decimal 1 for IPv4 or 28 for IPv6, formatted as a > > uint16, as per section 9.2 of [RFC6020]. > > > > Does this implicitly exclude non-IP-address queries? > [acm] > Yes, this is the simple case. > > > > > Section 7.2.2 > > > > Do we need to report or specify which TWAMP security features are in > > use, in case that has an effect on processing times and the > > corresponding measurements? > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > [acm] > yes, let's say: > * 250 octets total, including the TWAMP format type, which MUST be reported. > > > > > Section 7.3.1 > > > > The reference method requires some way to distinguish between > > different packets in a stream to establish correspondence between > > sending times and receiving times for each successfully-arriving > > packet. Sequence numbers or other send-order identification MUST be > > retained at the Src or included with each packet to disambiguate > > packet reordering if it occurs. > > > > Since a standard measurement protocol is employed [RFC5357], then the > > measurement process will determine the sequence numbers or timestamps > > applied to test packets after the Fixed and Runtime parameters are > > passed to that process. The measurement protocol dictates the format > > of sequence numbers and time-stamps conveyed in the TWAMP-Test packet > > payload. > > > > I'm not sure whether it makes sense to keep the end of the first > > paragraph given that the second paragraph covers the specifics of how > > the requirement is satisfied. > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > [acm] > Right, last sentence deleted in first paragraph. > > > > > Section 7.4.2.5 > > > > See section 4.3.2 of [RFC6049] for a closely related method for > > calculating this statistic, and 4.3.3 of [RFC6049]. The formula is > > the classic calculation for standard deviation of a population. > > > > Please provide the actual formula, whether directly or by reference. A > > "closely related method" implies that it is not the actual method to > > use, leaving the actual method to use underspecified here. > [acm] > I think the references provides the most of the formula, > but I have provided the complete formula here and in section 8. Thanks. (To be clear, I was complaining that we reference 6049 merely for "a closely related method" -- if we referenced it for "how to calculate this statistic" I would not be concerned. If we only say "closely-related" that implies that it's not the same, but we didn't say what was different.) > > > > Section 9 > > > > Interesting to see that we don't include 95thpercentile or StdDev for > > ICMP, though this is of course not actually problematic. > > > > All column entries beside the ID, Name, Description, and Output > > Reference Method categories are the same, thus this section proposes > > two closely-related registry entries. As a result, IANA is also > > asked to assign four corresponding URLs to each Named Metric. > > > > nit: s/four// > [acm] > Done. > > > > > Section 9.2.2 > > > > o ICMP Payload > > > > * total of 32 bytes of random info > > > > Randomly selected when -- per-test? per-packet? > > I note that this is the "fixed parameters" section, and the above seems > > to be anything but *fixed*. > [acm] > Let's add > > * total of 32 bytes of random info, constant per test > > > > > Section 10 > > > > All column entries beside the ID, Name, Description, and Output > > Reference Method categories are the same, thus this section proposes > > four closely-related registry entries. As a result, IANA is also > > asked to assign four corresponding URLs to each Named Metric. > > > > nit: s/four// > [acm] > Done > > > > > Section 10.1.2 > > > > nit: s/opportuinty/opportunity/ > [acm] > Done > > > > Section 10.2.1 > > > > > > Traffic filters reduce the packet stream at the OP to a Qualified > > bidirectional flow packets. > > > > nit: singular/plural mistmatch "a"/"packets" > [acm] > should be > Traffic filters reduce the packet stream at the OP to > a Qualified bidirectional flow of packets. > > > > > For a real number, RTD_fwd, >> the Round-trip Delay in the Forward > > direction from OP to host B at time T' is RTD_fwd << REQUIRES that OP > > observed a Qualified Packet to host B at wire-time T', that host B > > received that packet and sent a Corresponding Packet back to host A, > > and OP observed the Corresponding Packet at wire-time T' + RTD_fwd. > > > > I'm either failing to parse this or confused by the notation (or both). > > Are the doubled angle brackets intended to enclose a parenthetical > > remark defining RTD_fwd? (If so, why would traditional parentheses not > > work?) > [acm] > This is the same symbolism used in the earliest IPPM Metric Definitions, > simply enclosing the defined phrase within the >> ... << for emphasis. > We were forced to provide formal definitions here, references were > short on details and the same is true for many passive metrics. Okay. If I in effect treat the >>definition<< grammatically as a parenthetical, the sentence still flows oddly to me, though. (Consider "for a real number, X (defined as ), requires that ". There's no subject for the verb "requires".) If I were writing this (which I'm not), I'd try: """The real-valued number RTD_fwd represents >>definition<< . Measuring this value requires that [...]""" RTD_rev would get a similar treatment, of course. (Also, it looks like I failed to note that REQUIRES is not a BCP 14 keyword, only REQUIRED.) > > > > Section 11 > > > > Please mention the potential privacy considerations for observed > > traffic, particularly for passive metrics. I think I was hoping for a little more detail, but this will suffice to get the reader thinking about it. > > An attacker that knows that its TCP connection is being measured can > > modify its behavior to skew the measurement results. > > > Security. Each referenced Metric contains a Security Considerations > > section. > > > > I do not see any such sections. > [acm] > The References (like RFC7680) have the Security Considerations sections. > changed the text to > Each IETF Metric definition referenced above contains a Security Considerations section. Hmm, maybe I'm (still) misreading this, then. I was inferring that the "referenced Metric"s (or "Metric definition[s] referenced above") meant the specific metrics being defined in this document as the initial registry contents. With that assumption, this seems to be saying that each metric gets its own paragraph of security considerations, but neither the text nor the registration template makes a provision for that. Is this rather intended to be interpreted as more like "RFC 2681 defines a round-trip delay metric, and we're using that procedure for the registry entries we define in this document, so go read the security considerations of RFC 2681"? In that case maybe it's better to talk about IETF documents rather than "metric definitions". > > > > Section 14.2 > > > > Shouldn't RFC 5481 be normative, given that in Section 5.3.1 we see that > > "this metric entry requires implementation of the PDV form defined in > > section 4.2 of [RFC5481]"? [This didn't change in the -15, though I'm not sure whether that was a conscious choice or not.] One final comment looking at the changes in the -15: The new Section 1 text says "Specification Required policy, which includes Expert Review", but RFC 8126 is pretty adamant that you should not include the second clause -- see the penultimate paragraph of Section 4.6 thereof. Thanks for all the updates! -Ben From nobody Wed Dec 11 22:32:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3FB1200FD; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:32:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <157613235868.9535.2580805921460305654.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:32:38 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:32:39 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Thu Dec 12 00:36:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83101120859; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:36:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org, Brian Trammell , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, ietf@trammell.ch, ippm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <157613979452.20935.18400096016950516390.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 00:36:34 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 08:36:35 -0000 Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-15: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for addressing both my discuss and comment From nobody Thu Dec 12 15:37:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA38112012A; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:36:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s5xTToFKLd_P; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7033F120019; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049459.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049459.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Just a few more notes inline... >=20 ... > > > particular example is the LMAP framework [RFC7594]. Using the > > > LMAP terminology, the Performance Metrics Registry is used in > the > > > LMAP Control protocol to allow a Controller to request a > > > measurement task to one or more Measurement Agents. In order t= o > > > > > > nit: please check the grammar of "request a measurement task to". > > [acm] > > Yes, it matches the LMAP control framework. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7594&d=3DDwIBAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D_6cen3Hn-e_hOm0BhY7aIpA58dd19Z9qGQsr8- > 6zYMI&m=3DMzVZrMUvKmgZUrc2Qyn-SPWdwhnUOKygq- > TCWAfOpjI&s=3Do0bDjUeJH_LTfE10Zmgr5u1Gil0KGRd3Yloz5WMbG0A&e=3D >=20 > I'm not sure that it does ... in common English usage (ignoring any 7594 > jargon), one would "send a request to an agent to perform a measurement > task" or "request an action of an agent" or "request that an agent perfor= m > a task" or "task an agent to perform an operation". While I didn't read > all 50 pages of RFC 7594, some targeted searching fails to find a jargon > usage where "request a task to an agent" has a specific meaning. [acm]=20 ok, probably "schedule a task" would have. I was focusing on the "request" part. Controllers send tasks to measurement agents and they can be refused. Let's try: LMAP Control protocol to allow a Controller=20 to schedule a measurement task for one or more Measurement Agents. >=20 > > > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > > > different (and incompatible) ways. Having a registry would allow > > > both the IETF community and external people to have a single list > of > > > > > > nit: I suggest rephrasing "external people" as needlessly divisive; > > > perhaps "other communities"? > > [acm] > > Sounds better to me. > > > > > > > > Section 7 > > > > > > form of registry extension. The specification defining the new > > > column(s) MUST give guidelines to populate the new column(s) for > > > existing entries (in general). > > > > > > Is "MUST (in general)" really still a "MUST"? > > [acm] > > I think so, we're talking about new columns having a similar > > level of detail in their description as the columns in the > > current registry (future version 2.0). >=20 > I guess that there's a couple ways one could parse this sentence: "in > general" could apply to the way the columns are populated, or to what the > specification defining the new columns has to do. I was reading it in th= e > second variant, and qualifying a MUST like that is fairly dicey with the > current IESG. But the former parsing is not problematic, and it sounds > like that's what you intended. Perhaps "MUST give general guidelines for > populating" would avoid the misparse, though it may have problems of its > own. [acm]=20 Let's try your suggestion. The specification defining the new column(s) MUST give general guidelines=20 for populating the new column(s) for existing entries. >=20 > > > ... > > > Section 7.3.5 > > > > > > devices. For example, parameters that include an IPv4 address can > be > > > encoded as a 32 bit integer (i.e. binary base64 encoded value) or > ip- > > > address as defined in [RFC6991]. The actual encoding(s) used must > be > > > > > > nit: YANG types are specified distinctly from their possible > encodings; > > > indicating an XML or JSON encoded version of the YANG ip-address woul= d > > > be appropriate here. > > [acm] > > Yes, and we go on in the next sentence to say: > > The actual encoding(s) used must be explicitly defined for each Run- > time parameter. >=20 > Whoops, sorry for missing that. [acm]=20 NP >=20 > > > > > > explicitly defined for each Run-time parameter. IPv6 addresses an= d > > > options MUST be accomodated, allowing Registered Metrics to be use= d > > > in either address family. > > > > > > nit: is "either" too limiting, here? > > [acm] > > No, especially for active testing, where we generate the test traffic > > in one address family at a time. >=20 > I meant, we're implicitly saying that IPv4 and IPv6 are the only address > families that anyone will ever care about. IANA has quite a few more tha= n > two that are defined... [acm]=20 I didn't see that coming. I don't read any of the examples of=20 Run-time Parameters as the limiting set in this section. Let's try: IPv6 addresses and options MUST be accommodated, allowing Registered=20 Metrics to be used in *that* address family.=20 *Other address families are permissable.* >=20 > > > ... >=20 > Thanks :) >=20 > -Ben >=20 [acm] Thank you, Ben. I'll be holding these changes in another working version, pending a few more questions from Michelle/IANA. Al From nobody Thu Dec 12 16:47:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DFB120113; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id arLEAPfQ40z4; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C49AF120090; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id xBD0lKFY014680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:47:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:47:19 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "ippm@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20191213004719.GB81833@kduck.mit.edu> References: <157553269383.11096.11664366118558898995.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0974B@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <20191212045648.GT13890@kduck.mit.edu> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0B3CE@njmtexg5.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0B3CE@njmtexg5.research.att.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:47:29 -0000 On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:36:40PM +0000, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > I'll trim this message down to focus on the last few points, Thanks; I probably should have done some trimming too. > Al > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 11:57 PM > > To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org; > > ippm-chairs@ietf.org; ietf@wjcerveny.com; ippm@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ippm-metric- > > registry-22: (with COMMENT) > > > > Hi Al, > > > > Thanks for all the updates. Just a few more notes inline... > > > ... > > > > particular example is the LMAP framework [RFC7594]. Using the > > > > LMAP terminology, the Performance Metrics Registry is used in > > the > > > > LMAP Control protocol to allow a Controller to request a > > > > measurement task to one or more Measurement Agents. In order to > > > > > > > > nit: please check the grammar of "request a measurement task to". > > > [acm] > > > Yes, it matches the LMAP control framework. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7594&d=DwIBAg&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=_6cen3Hn-e_hOm0BhY7aIpA58dd19Z9qGQsr8- > > 6zYMI&m=MzVZrMUvKmgZUrc2Qyn-SPWdwhnUOKygq- > > TCWAfOpjI&s=o0bDjUeJH_LTfE10Zmgr5u1Gil0KGRd3Yloz5WMbG0A&e= > > > > I'm not sure that it does ... in common English usage (ignoring any 7594 > > jargon), one would "send a request to an agent to perform a measurement > > task" or "request an action of an agent" or "request that an agent perform > > a task" or "task an agent to perform an operation". While I didn't read > > all 50 pages of RFC 7594, some targeted searching fails to find a jargon > > usage where "request a task to an agent" has a specific meaning. > [acm] > ok, probably "schedule a task" would have. I was focusing on the "request" > part. Controllers send tasks to measurement agents and they can be refused. > > Let's try: > LMAP Control protocol to allow a Controller > to schedule a measurement task for one or more Measurement Agents. That does the trick; thanks for working through it with me. > > > > > > > > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > > > > > different (and incompatible) ways. Having a registry would allow > > > > both the IETF community and external people to have a single list > > of > > > > > > > > nit: I suggest rephrasing "external people" as needlessly divisive; > > > > perhaps "other communities"? > > > [acm] > > > Sounds better to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Section 7 > > > > > > > > form of registry extension. The specification defining the new > > > > column(s) MUST give guidelines to populate the new column(s) for > > > > existing entries (in general). > > > > > > > > Is "MUST (in general)" really still a "MUST"? > > > [acm] > > > I think so, we're talking about new columns having a similar > > > level of detail in their description as the columns in the > > > current registry (future version 2.0). > > > > I guess that there's a couple ways one could parse this sentence: "in > > general" could apply to the way the columns are populated, or to what the > > specification defining the new columns has to do. I was reading it in the > > second variant, and qualifying a MUST like that is fairly dicey with the > > current IESG. But the former parsing is not problematic, and it sounds > > like that's what you intended. Perhaps "MUST give general guidelines for > > populating" would avoid the misparse, though it may have problems of its > > own. > [acm] > Let's try your suggestion. > > The specification defining the new column(s) MUST give general guidelines > for populating the new column(s) for existing entries. > > > > > > > > ... > > > > Section 7.3.5 > > > > > > > > devices. For example, parameters that include an IPv4 address can > > be > > > > encoded as a 32 bit integer (i.e. binary base64 encoded value) or > > ip- > > > > address as defined in [RFC6991]. The actual encoding(s) used must > > be > > > > > > > > nit: YANG types are specified distinctly from their possible > > encodings; > > > > indicating an XML or JSON encoded version of the YANG ip-address would > > > > be appropriate here. > > > [acm] > > > Yes, and we go on in the next sentence to say: > > > The actual encoding(s) used must be explicitly defined for each Run- > > time parameter. > > > > Whoops, sorry for missing that. > [acm] > NP > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly defined for each Run-time parameter. IPv6 addresses and > > > > options MUST be accomodated, allowing Registered Metrics to be used > > > > in either address family. > > > > > > > > nit: is "either" too limiting, here? > > > [acm] > > > No, especially for active testing, where we generate the test traffic > > > in one address family at a time. > > > > I meant, we're implicitly saying that IPv4 and IPv6 are the only address > > families that anyone will ever care about. IANA has quite a few more than > > two that are defined... > [acm] > I didn't see that coming. I don't read any of the examples of > Run-time Parameters as the limiting set in this section. > > Let's try: > IPv6 addresses and options MUST be accommodated, allowing Registered > Metrics to be used in *that* address family. > *Other address families are permissable.* Thanks. > > > > > > > ... > > > > Thanks :) > > > > -Ben > > > [acm] Thank you, Ben. > > I'll be holding these changes in another working version, > pending a few more questions from Michelle/IANA. Sounds good. -Ben From nobody Thu Dec 12 17:32:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F93F120090; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:32:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LoaUQEAtAJop; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3860B120145; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049459.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049459.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Al > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 1:32 AM > To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org; > Brian Trammell ; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry= - > 14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 04:37:02PM +0000, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: > > Hi Benjamin, > > Thanks for your review, please see replies below, > > Al > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 3:33 PM > > > To: The IESG > > > Cc: draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry@ietf.org; Brian Trammell > > > ; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; ietf@trammell.ch; > ippm@ietf.org > > > Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry= - > 14: > > > (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > > draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14: Discuss > > > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut > this > > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > > 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss- > 2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ- > > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Dppr2cZUpYOwZNFNM- > > > AVYIIbZmprIcWRkpil0txFbqNw&s=3D9uZ1zYhbpUMnkI- > > > PrgJpngXD1cCYGXGrRYLlJKYaWxA&e=3D > > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dippm-2Dinitial- > > > 2Dregistry_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ- > > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3Dppr2cZUpYOwZNFNM- > > > AVYIIbZmprIcWRkpil0txFbqNw&s=3DJX- > > > Y6Mc8UNYVvJqdYM35CcHEEf58UUAWy7q2ZmBAsEA&e=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > DISCUSS: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > > > > Quite minor points, really, but they do need to be resolved before > > > publication. (Slightly more details/locations in the COMMENT > section.) > > > > > > We don't actually provide a definition (whether directly or by > > > reference) for the "classic calculation for standard deviation of a > > > population". > > [acm] > > This would be ambiguous if it left-out "of a population", > > the alternative being sample standard deviation. > > Millions of references and search results will > > produce the right formula. But I have provided the formula > > in Sections 7 and 8. > > > > > > > > We don't actually provide a definition (whether directly or by > > > reference) for what the "time_offset" calibration value records. > > [acm] > > I supplied the NTP reference for the term, which is RFC 5905. >=20 > Thanks! > I see the -15 has landed already, so I'll go clear after writing this > message. [acm]=20 Thank you! >=20 > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > COMMENT: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > > > > Section 2 > > > > > > This document defines the initial set of Performance Metrics > Registry > > > entries, for which IETF approval (following development in the IP > > > Performance Metrics (IPPM) Working Group) will satisfy the > > > requirement for Expert Review. Most are Active Performance > Metrics, > > > > > > That's not really how Expert Review works, though as is being > discussed > > > in other ballot threads, we have other options for getting these > > > registered. > > [acm] > > We tried to cover this special case when both drafts > > seek approval at once. Now it says: > > > > This document defines a set of initial Performance Metrics Registry > entries. > > > > > > > > > > Section 4 > > > > > > Note: Each Registry entry only produces a "raw" output or a > > > statistical summary. To describe both "raw" and one or more > > > statistics efficiently, the Identifier, Name, and Output Categorie= s > > > can be split and a single section can specify two or more closely- > > > related metrics. This section specifies two Registry entries with > > > many common columns. See Section 7 for an example specifying > > > multiple Registry entries with many common columns. > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand the intended scope/audience of this remark. > > > It is discussing something that we are doing for these registrations > or > > > something that might be done in the future? > > [acm] > > Authors of the future Registry entries will likely review > > the current entries for guidance (and copying, which is fine). > > This is the first registry entry, most-likely to be read that way, > > and we provide a little extra guidance to start. >=20 > I'd suggest making the connection more explicit, as in "can specify two o= r > more closely-related metrics, as is done here", or "For example, this > section specifies two Registry entries with many common columns". [acm]=20 The later sounds good to me, thanks. >=20 > > > > > > Section 4.2.2 > > > > > > o UDP Payload > > > > > > * total of 100 bytes > > > > > > In the vein of "clear and reproducible metric definition", should we > say > > > something about the content of the payload (even if it's just "the > > > content is arbitrary")? Per Section 4.3.1 we could even note that a > > > sequence number could be used as the payload. > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > [acm] > > The bits in the payload are determined by the measurement protocol, > > as you point-out the sequence number is part, and the rest of the > > payload details are determined by that protocol. IF we said, > > 100 bytes, of which the first 24 are the TWAMP-SENDER format, etc. > > then we take-away choice of measurement protocol for this metric. >=20 > It sounds like you're stance is that the reader will understand that this > payload is to be used by the measurement protocol in use, and we don't ne= ed > to hit them over the head with it? That's probably reasonable, given the > target audience... [acm]=20 Good. >=20 > > > > > > o Tmax: a loss threshold waiting time > > > > > > * 3.0, expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value of > type > > > decimal64 with fraction digits =3D 4 (see section 9.3 of > > > [RFC6020]) and with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms), > with > > > lossless conversion to/from the 32-bit NTP timestamp as per > > > section 6 of [RFC5905]. > > > > > > Am I reading this right that the Tmax is a fixed parameter with value > > > 3.0 seconds? If so, I'm confused why the extra specification on its > > > representation is needed (and why we write only "3.0" and not "3.0000= " > > > to get the 4 fraction digits, though per RFC 6020 the fraction digits > is > > > just a maximum). > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > [acm] > > I don't think this is a significant issue, and others > > seem to agree (we're in the late stages of review here). >=20 > I agree that having it is not harmful, and any change comes with its own > risk. >=20 > > > > > > Section 4.3.1 > > > > > > The calculations on the delay (RTT) SHALL be performed on the > > > conditional distribution, conditioned on successful packet arrival > > > within Tmax. Also, when all packet delays are stored, the process > > > which calculates the RTT value MAY enforce the Tmax threshold on > > > stored values before calculations. See section 4.1 of [RFC3393] > for > > > > > > Why is this a MAY and not a MUST? Wouldn't it make the results not > > > necessarily reproducible/transferrable? > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > [acm] > > Good catch, fixed for all relevant sections. >=20 > It's a tough one, since it's very tempting to say "but in this case I hav= e > the complete picture of data, so I can get more accurate numbers" ... but > my sense is that the goal here is to focus on > reproducibility/interoperability, so the latter concern trumps the desire > for accuracy. [acm]=20 Right. >=20 > > > Section 4.3.2 > > > > > > dT the duration of the interval for allowed sample start times, > with > > > value 1.0, expressed in units of seconds, as a positive value o= f > > > type decimal64 with fraction digits =3D 4 (see section 9.3 of > > > [RFC6020]) and with resolution of 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms). > > > > > > [1.0 does not have 4 fraction digits; though we did use 0.0200 for > incT] > > [acm] > > we've skipped the extra digits for the values with all-zero-fractions..= . > > > > > > > > Section 4.3.5 > > > > > > There are potentially privacy considerations (albeit likely to be > > > minimal) with requiring the reporting of Src and Dst addresses as par= t > > > of the measurement results. > > [acm] > > Please see the many privacy considerations identified in the > > LMAP framework (which we've referenced). > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7594-23section-2D8&d=3DDwIDAw&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DOfsSu8kTIltVyD1oL72cBw&m=3DHdXvuit3d69xOSjmJ- > 7aH3W8CQjEShVuhPZPFH-bEQE&s=3D6AKDwaabdK7TfL0flV2s72LYDtY_czbfXLGBs0QOSAA= &e=3D >=20 > Thanks for adding the reference in the security considerations section; > that's a big help. >=20 > > > > > > Section 4.4.2 > > > > > > 95Percentile The time value of the result is expressed in units o= f > > > seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction > > > digits =3D 9 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) with resolution of > > > 0.000000001 seconds (1.0 ns), and with lossless conversion > to/from > > > the 64-bit NTP timestamp as > > > > > > Is there a missing end of the sentence? > > [acm] > > Yes, will fix. > > > > > > Section 4.4.4 > > > > > > When a measurement controller requests a calibration measurement, > the > > > loopback is applied and the result is output in the same format as > a > > > normal measurement with additional indication that it is a > > > calibration result. > > > > > > If the goal of the calibration is intended in part to quantify the > > > random errors of a measurement, shouldn't we also report something > akin > > > to a variance or standard distribution, as opposed to just the same > > > summary results that we would get from a non-calibration measurement? > > > My understanding of what this says to do will only give you the > > > "average offset" due to the random+systematic error (for the > appropriate > > > definition of "average") but not give you a sense for whether the > > > effective precision is reduced by those random errors. > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > [acm] > > I see your point, but it doesn't seem correct to add measurements > > during calibration. The user could repeat the measurements many times > > and review the reported results, or conduct a calibration with a > > different metric. > > > > > > > > Section 5.4.4 > > > > > > Does this really give me a clear definition of what the time_offset i= s > > > measuring (as opposed to just how to represent it)? > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > > > > [acm] > > We are using the RFC 5905 definition of time offset. > > I'll add the references where they are needed. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > > > Section 6.3.1 > > > > > > DNS Messages bearing Queries provide for random ID Numbers in the > > > Identification header field, so more than one query may be launche= d > > > while a previous request is outstanding when the ID Number is used= . > > > Therefore, the ID Number MUST be retained at the Src or included > with > > > each response packet to disambiguate packet reordering if it > occurs. > > > > > > Is this an "or" or an "and"? Also, the DNS protocol is pretty well > > > specified about this already, right, so we're just noting the > properties > > > that is has? > > [acm] > > Yes, and is correct. We're adding a consideration for the measurement > > which isn't the emphasis of the DNS specs. > > > > > > > > In addition to operations described in [RFC2681], the Src MUST > parse > > > the DNS headers of the reply and prepare the information for > > > subsequent reporting as a measured result, along with the Round- > Trip > > > Delay. > > > > > > Since we only use the Rcode, maybe we could be more specific than "th= e > > > information"? > > [acm] > > ok > > > > > > > > Section 6.3.2 > > > > > > Section 11.1.3 of RFC 2681 [RFC2330] provides three methods to > > > generate Poisson sampling intervals. The reciprocal of lambda is > the > > > average packet rate, thus the Run-time Parameter is > Reciprocal_lambda > > > =3D 1/lambda, in seconds. > > > > > > Wouldn't something measured in seconds be an inter-packet interval, > not > > > a "packet rate"? (Hmm, =A7 7.3.2 calls it the "average packet > spacing".) > > [acm] > > it should be s/in seconds/in packets per second/ >=20 > I thought that lambda was in pps but 1/lambda would be seconds (as > written). My complaint here was about "reciprocal of lambda is the > average > packet rate", which I thought should be "reciprocal of lambda is the > average packet spacing" to match =A7 7.3.2. [acm]=20 Yes, I have sometimes mixed these up, and I didn't have reference material to help on the plane. I wish I read 7.3.2 first, because that one was correct. I made both 6.3.2 and 7.3.2 consistent with=20 reference definitions (again, in the working version). >=20 > > > > > > > > Section 6.3.5 > > > > > > Trunc Upper limit on Poisson distribution expressed in units of > > > seconds, as a positive value of type decimal64 with fraction > > > digits =3D 4 (see section 9.3 of [RFC6020]) with resolution of > > > 0.0001 seconds (0.1 ms), and with lossless conversion to/from > the > > > 32-bit NTP timestamp as per section 6 of [RFC5905] (values abov= e > > > this limit will be clipped and set to the limit value). (if > fixed, > > > Trunc =3D 30.0000 seconds.) > > > > > > For a registered matric, a parameter is either Fixed or Run-time; > there > > > is no option. This last parenthetical needs to be removed. > > [acm] > > Done. > > > > > > ID The 16-bit identifier assigned by the program that generates th= e > > > query, and which must vary in successive queries, see > > > Section 4.1.1 of [RFC1035]. This identifier is copied into the > > > corresponding reply and can be used by the requester (Src) to > > > match-up replies to outstanding queries. > > > > > > If it must vary in successive queries (which are still part of the > same > > > Stream), that's not a single Run-time parameter anymore, is it? > > [acm] > > I see, if one query fails, we need more than one ID to get a successful > response. > > So > > ... and which must vary in successive queries (a list of IDs is needed)= , >=20 > I think so, yes. >=20 > > > > > > QTYPE The Query Type, which will correspond to the IP address > family > > > of the query (decimal 1 for IPv4 or 28 for IPv6, formatted as a > > > uint16, as per section 9.2 of [RFC6020]. > > > > > > Does this implicitly exclude non-IP-address queries? > > [acm] > > Yes, this is the simple case. > > > > > > > > Section 7.2.2 > > > > > > Do we need to report or specify which TWAMP security features are in > > > use, in case that has an effect on processing times and the > > > corresponding measurements? > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > [acm] > > yes, let's say: > > * 250 octets total, including the TWAMP format type, which MUST be > reported. > > > > > > > > Section 7.3.1 > > > > > > The reference method requires some way to distinguish between > > > different packets in a stream to establish correspondence between > > > sending times and receiving times for each successfully-arriving > > > packet. Sequence numbers or other send-order identification MUST > be > > > retained at the Src or included with each packet to disambiguate > > > packet reordering if it occurs. > > > > > > Since a standard measurement protocol is employed [RFC5357], then > the > > > measurement process will determine the sequence numbers or > timestamps > > > applied to test packets after the Fixed and Runtime parameters are > > > passed to that process. The measurement protocol dictates the > format > > > of sequence numbers and time-stamps conveyed in the TWAMP-Test > packet > > > payload. > > > > > > I'm not sure whether it makes sense to keep the end of the first > > > paragraph given that the second paragraph covers the specifics of how > > > the requirement is satisfied. > > > (I won't mention a similar consideration for the later metrics.) > > [acm] > > Right, last sentence deleted in first paragraph. > > > > > > > > Section 7.4.2.5 > > > > > > See section 4.3.2 of [RFC6049] for a closely related method for > > > calculating this statistic, and 4.3.3 of [RFC6049]. The formula i= s > > > the classic calculation for standard deviation of a population. > > > > > > Please provide the actual formula, whether directly or by reference. > A > > > "closely related method" implies that it is not the actual method to > > > use, leaving the actual method to use underspecified here. > > [acm] > > I think the references provides the most of the formula, > > but I have provided the complete formula here and in section 8. >=20 > Thanks. (To be clear, I was complaining that we reference 6049 merely fo= r > "a closely related method" -- if we referenced it for "how to calculate > this statistic" I would not be concerned. If we only say "closely- > related" > that implies that it's not the same, but we didn't say what was > different.) [acm]=20 ok >=20 > > > > > > Section 9 > > > > > > Interesting to see that we don't include 95thpercentile or StdDev for > > > ICMP, though this is of course not actually problematic. > > > > > > All column entries beside the ID, Name, Description, and Output > > > Reference Method categories are the same, thus this section > proposes > > > two closely-related registry entries. As a result, IANA is also > > > asked to assign four corresponding URLs to each Named Metric. > > > > > > nit: s/four// > > [acm] > > Done. > > > > > > > > Section 9.2.2 > > > > > > o ICMP Payload > > > > > > * total of 32 bytes of random info > > > > > > Randomly selected when -- per-test? per-packet? > > > I note that this is the "fixed parameters" section, and the above > seems > > > to be anything but *fixed*. > > [acm] > > Let's add > > > > * total of 32 bytes of random info, constant per test > > > > > > > > Section 10 > > > > > > All column entries beside the ID, Name, Description, and Output > > > Reference Method categories are the same, thus this section > proposes > > > four closely-related registry entries. As a result, IANA is also > > > asked to assign four corresponding URLs to each Named Metric. > > > > > > nit: s/four// > > [acm] > > Done > > > > > > > > Section 10.1.2 > > > > > > nit: s/opportuinty/opportunity/ > > [acm] > > Done > > > > > > Section 10.2.1 > > > > > > > > > Traffic filters reduce the packet stream at the OP to a Qualified > > > bidirectional flow packets. > > > > > > nit: singular/plural mistmatch "a"/"packets" > > [acm] > > should be > > Traffic filters reduce the packet stream at the OP to > > a Qualified bidirectional flow of packets. > > > > > > > > For a real number, RTD_fwd, >> the Round-trip Delay in the Forward > > > direction from OP to host B at time T' is RTD_fwd << REQUIRES that > OP > > > observed a Qualified Packet to host B at wire-time T', that host B > > > received that packet and sent a Corresponding Packet back to host > A, > > > and OP observed the Corresponding Packet at wire-time T' + RTD_fwd= . > > > > > > I'm either failing to parse this or confused by the notation (or > both). > > > Are the doubled angle brackets intended to enclose a parenthetical > > > remark defining RTD_fwd? (If so, why would traditional parentheses > not > > > work?) > > [acm] > > This is the same symbolism used in the earliest IPPM Metric Definitions= , > > simply enclosing the defined phrase within the >> ... << for emphasis. > > We were forced to provide formal definitions here, references were > > short on details and the same is true for many passive metrics. >=20 > Okay. If I in effect treat the >>definition<< grammatically as a > parenthetical, the sentence still flows oddly to me, though. (Consider > "for a real number, X (defined as ), requires that > ". There's no subject for the verb "requires".) >=20 > If I were writing this (which I'm not), I'd try: >=20 > """The real-valued number RTD_fwd represents >>definition<< . Measuring > this > value requires that [...]""" >=20 > RTD_rev would get a similar treatment, of course. >=20 > (Also, it looks like I failed to note that REQUIRES is not a BCP 14 > keyword, only REQUIRED.) [acm]=20 I fixed the requirement term and grammar to allow it. (trying to minimize the changes in critical paragraphs now). >=20 > > > > > > Section 11 > > > > > > Please mention the potential privacy considerations for observed > > > traffic, particularly for passive metrics. >=20 > I think I was hoping for a little more detail, but this will suffice to > get > the reader thinking about it. >=20 > > > An attacker that knows that its TCP connection is being measured can > > > modify its behavior to skew the measurement results. > > > > > Security. Each referenced Metric contains a Security > Considerations > > > section. > > > > > > I do not see any such sections. > > [acm] > > The References (like RFC7680) have the Security Considerations sections= . > > changed the text to > > Each IETF Metric definition referenced above contains a Security > Considerations section. >=20 > Hmm, maybe I'm (still) misreading this, then. I was inferring that the > "referenced Metric"s (or "Metric definition[s] referenced above") meant > the > specific metrics being defined in this document as the initial registry > contents. With that assumption, this seems to be saying that each metric > gets its own paragraph of security considerations, but neither the text > nor > the registration template makes a provision for that. Is this rather > intended to be interpreted as more like "RFC 2681 defines a round-trip > delay metric, and we're using that procedure for the registry entries we > define in this document, so go read the security considerations of RFC > 2681"? In that case maybe it's better to talk about IETF documents rathe= r > than "metric definitions". [acm]=20 ok, really it's IETF RFCs, but I think some SDOs have adopted IETF's outline in that they request a discussion of security considerations. >=20 > > > > > > Section 14.2 > > > > > > Shouldn't RFC 5481 be normative, given that in Section 5.3.1 we see > that > > > "this metric entry requires implementation of the PDV form defined in > > > section 4.2 of [RFC5481]"? >=20 > [This didn't change in the -15, though I'm not sure whether that was a > conscious choice or not.] [acm]=20 Nope, I missed it and I agree, thanks! >=20 >=20 > One final comment looking at the changes in the -15: >=20 > The new Section 1 text says "Specification Required policy, which include= s > Expert Review", but RFC 8126 is pretty adamant that you should not includ= e > the second clause -- see the penultimate paragraph of Section 4.6 thereof= . [acm]=20 Guilty. thanks! 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Dear all, 

I support this draft and I think it is read= y for publication.

 

Best regards,

Joanna

 

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> Hello IPPM,<= /span>

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> Continuing on in our li= st of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working Group Last Call for draf= t-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark:

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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-mult= ipoint-alt-mark-03=

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> The Last Call will end = on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org= > with your reviews, and indicate whether or= not you think this document is ready for publication.

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Fri, 13 Dec 2019 05:19:13 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F082BF@njmtexg5.research.att.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 05:19:12 -0500 Cc: Alvaro Retana , IESG , "ippm@ietf.org" , "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "ietf@wjcerveny.com" , "draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <03222E17-C863-4A9A-B246-A48077D93C56@cooperw.in> References: <157541264931.4734.14501743204777647352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F05456@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F05F66@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0657C@njmtexg5.research.att.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F082BF@njmtexg5.research.att.com> To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:19:19 -0000 Hi Al, I have a couple of comments in-line on this text: > If an RFC-to-be includes a Performance Metric and a proposed = Performance > Metrics Registry entry, but the IANA and Performance Metric Expert = review > determines that one or more of the Section 5 criteria have not been = met, IANA has no role in evaluating the metrics against the Section 5 = criteria, so I think they should be dropped from this sentence. > then the IESG approval process MUST proceed with the proposed = Performance > Metrics Registry entry removed from the text. When the RFC-to-be = authors > are ready to show evidence of meeting the criteria in section 5, they > SHOULD re-submit the proposed Performance Metrics Registry entry to = IANA > to be evaluated in consultation with the Performance Metric Experts = for > registration at that time. For the last sentence I would suggest =E2=80=9COnce evidence exists that = the Performance Metric meets the criteria in section 5, the proposed = Performance Metrics Registry entry SHOULD be submitted =E2=80=A6 .=E2=80=9D= The people who write the RFC need not be the same people who later = submit the metric to the registry. Thanks, Alissa =20 > On Dec 6, 2019, at 1:53 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Alvaro and Alissa, and other ADs who supported Alvaro's DISCUSS #2, >=20 > Alvaro and I have come to agreement on revised text, > please see below. >=20 > Al >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 1:00 PM >> To: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) ; The IESG = >> Cc: ippm@ietf.org; ippm-chairs@ietf.org; ietf@wjcerveny.com; = draft-ietf- >> ippm-metric-registry@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on = draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry- >> 22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>=20 >> On December 5, 2019 at 7:30:22 AM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >>=20 >> Al: >>=20 >> Hi! >>=20 >>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] >> ... >>>> On December 4, 2019 at 1:38:07 PM, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >> ... >>>>> If an RFC-to-be includes a Performance Metric and a proposed >> Performance >>>>> Metrics Registry entry, but the IANA and Performance Metric Expert >> review >>>>> determines that one or more of the Section 5 criteria have not = been >> met, >>>>> then the IESG approval process MUST proceed with the proposed >> Performance >>>>> Metrics Registry entry removed from the text. When the RFC-to-be >> authors >>>>> are ready to show evidence of meeting the criteria in section 5, >> they >>>>> SHOULD re-submit the proposed Performance Metrics Registry entry = to >> IANA >>>>> to be evaluated in consultation with the Performance Metric = Experts >> for >>>>> registration at that time. >>>>=20 >>>> This text basically says that if the criteria in =C2=A75 is not = met, then >>>> the specific entry must not be in the RFC. At some point in the >>>> future (when the =C2=A75 criteria is met), publication of the entry = can >>>> proceed -- presumably in a different RFC. >>> [acm] >>> Yes. >>>>=20 >>>> As Alissa mentioned in her DISCUSS, the text needs to be = generalized >>>> to cover specifications from other SDOs. I'm not sure how = preventing >>>> publication would work there. >>> [acm] >>> It doesn't apply to other SDOs. >>> There are process points that only apply to IETF and RFCs-to-be, >>> such as the one we are discussing. >>> IANA can receive a request from other SDOs directly, and >>> we cover those cases separately. IWO, we do not generalize >>> every instance of RFC to "spec", because IANA review >>> coincides with IIESG review. >>=20 >> Your answer made go look at =C2=A78.1 again and the paragraph we're >> discussing in context. Just one suggestion: s/then the IESG approval >> process MUST proceed with the proposed Performance Metrics Registry >> entry removed from the text./then the proposed Performance Metrics >> Registry entry MUST be removed from the text. >>=20 >> I trust that this text will make it into your next update, so I'm >> clearing my DISCUSS. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Alvaro. > [acm]=20 > Thanks, I've made that change in the working text, and it will appear > in the next version. 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So I write this email to bring it to your attention. We also like to raise= more discussion in email list. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-ippm-postcard-based-telemetry/ The draft is now in version 06. It describes and compare two basic types of on-path telemetry techniques: p= ostcard and passport. It describes two subtypes of postcard techniques: instruction-based and mar= king-based. Both has its applications: The instruction-based variation has been stripped out from the draft and no= w evolves to be a new IOAM option mode. 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Hi IPPM chairs,

 

We have requested to present this draft for two time= s in past meetings but didn’t get a chance due to the lack of time in= WG sessions.

So I write this email to bring it to your attention.=  We also like to raise more discussion in email list.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-s= ong-ippm-postcard-based-telemetry/

The draft is now in version 06.

 

It describes and compare two basic types of on-path = telemetry techniques: postcard and passport.

It describes two subtypes of postcard techniques: in= struction-based and marking-based. Both has its applications:

 

The instruction-based variation has been stripped ou= t from the draft and now evolves to be a new IOAM option mode. The draft ha= s been adopted by IPPM.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ioamteam-ip= pm-ioam-direct-export-00

 

The marking-based variation has inspired an implemen= tation in SRv6 which was presented in 6MAN.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-6man-srv6-pbt-01=

 

We also presented in IPPM the work on using postcard= or combining passport and postcard to support efficient multicast telemetr= y.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-multicast-tele= metry-01

 

We believe this informational draft introduces an im= portant type of on-path telemetry technique.

The discussion on technique pros and cons can guide = the corresponding  technique development, which is evidenced by the ab= ove examples.

Therefore, I request the working group to consider a= doption of it as WG document.

 

Please let me know if you have any question about it= . Thanks!

 

Best regards,

Haoyu

--_000_BYAPR13MB24858E7106BAC88C1F55C4E19A510BYAPR13MB2485namp_-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 17:48:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC6A120971; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:48:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DBKuE1nBZCFN; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE96B12009C; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 8F2CAADCE70C0627CA8E; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) by LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:48:51 +0000 Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:48:50 +0000 Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:48:50 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 09:48:42 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: Haoyu Song , IPPM Chairs CC: IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: PBT draft Thread-Index: AdW0R9S1rDSbZ/xySHiFRKTVKjbuhQANDRIQ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:48:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.162] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF146A66NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] PBT draft X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:48:55 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF146A66NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of this document. Tianran From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoyu Song Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:43 AM To: IPPM Chairs Cc: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] PBT draft Hi IPPM chairs, We have requested to present this draft for two times in past meetings but = didn't get a chance due to the lack of time in WG sessions. So I write this email to bring it to your attention. We also like to raise= more discussion in email list. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-ippm-postcard-based-telemetry/ The draft is now in version 06. It describes and compare two basic types of on-path telemetry techniques: p= ostcard and passport. It describes two subtypes of postcard techniques: instruction-based and mar= king-based. Both has its applications: The instruction-based variation has been stripped out from the draft and no= w evolves to be a new IOAM option mode. The draft has been adopted by IPPM. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 The marking-based variation has inspired an implementation in SRv6 which wa= s presented in 6MAN. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-6man-srv6-pbt-01 We also presented in IPPM the work on using postcard or combining passport = and postcard to support efficient multicast telemetry. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-multicast-telemetry-01 We believe this informational draft introduces an important type of on-path= telemetry technique. The discussion on technique pros and cons can guide the corresponding tech= nique development, which is evidenced by the above examples. Therefore, I request the working group to consider adoption of it as WG doc= ument. Please let me know if you have any question about it.. Thanks! Best regards, Haoyu --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF146A66NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the adoption= of this document.

 

Tianran

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Haoyu Song
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:43 AM
To: IPPM Chairs <ippm-chairs@ietf.org>
Cc: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] PBT draft

 

Hi IPPM chairs,

 

We have requested to present this draft for two time= s in past meetings but didn’t get a chance due to the lack of time in= WG sessions.

So I write this email to bring it to your attention.=  We also like to raise more discussion in email list.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-s= ong-ippm-postcard-based-telemetry/

The draft is now in version 06.

 

It describes and compare two basic types of on-path = telemetry techniques: postcard and passport.

It describes two subtypes of postcard techniques: in= struction-based and marking-based. Both has its applications:

 

The instruction-based variation has been stripped ou= t from the draft and now evolves to be a new IOAM option mode. The draft ha= s been adopted by IPPM.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ioamteam-ip= pm-ioam-direct-export-00

 

The marking-based variation has inspired an implemen= tation in SRv6 which was presented in 6MAN.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-6man-srv6-pbt-01=

 

We also presented in IPPM the work on using postcard= or combining passport and postcard to support efficient multicast telemetr= y.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-multicast-tele= metry-01

 

We believe this informational draft introduces an im= portant type of on-path telemetry technique.

The discussion on technique pros and cons can guide = the corresponding  technique development, which is evidenced by the ab= ove examples.

Therefore, I request the working group to consider a= doption of it as WG document.

 

Please let me know if you have any question about it= .. Thanks!

 

Best regards,

Haoyu

--_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF146A66NKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Wed Dec 18 20:15:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ADE12004F; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 20:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G_6aq_j2NrOZ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 20:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAFDF120018; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 20:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 88EE9A8B6BF845C82E8B; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.44) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:15:01 +0000 Received: from lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) by lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:15:01 +0000 Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:15:01 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:14:52 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "secdir@ietf.org" , IETF IPPM WG CC: Caoli Thread-Topic: security considerations on the TWAMP Thread-Index: AdW2IE+K7R6ZTjm3QMWstOtse9zzeA== Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:14:51 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.162] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF149C8CNKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [ippm] security considerations on the TWAMP X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:15:06 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF149C8CNKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi IPPM and SecDir, When firstly set up the control session between the client and the server, = TWAMP(RFC5357) server will listen on a specific TCP port. By default, the w= ell-known port is 862. However, RFC 5357 does not provide mechanism to restrict the source IP addr= ess of the request. How do you think about the potential DDOS attack risk from the unknown IP s= ource addresses? Thanks, Tianran --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF149C8CNKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi IPPM and SecDir,

 

When firstly set up the control session between the = client and the server, TWAMP(RFC5357) server will listen on a specific TCP = port. By default, the well-known port is 862.

However, RFC 5357 does not provide mechanism to rest= rict the source IP address of the request.

How do you think about the potential DDOS attack ris= k from the unknown IP source addresses?

 

Thanks,

Tianran

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Use ACLs, IPtables, firewalls, etc. IOW, there are plenty of mechanisms beyond TWAMP to meet this need. Al From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tianran Zhou Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:15 PM To: secdir@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG Cc: Caoli Subject: [ippm] security considerations on the TWAMP Hi IPPM and SecDir, When firstly set up the control session between the client and the server, = TWAMP(RFC5357) server will listen on a specific TCP port. By default, the w= ell-known port is 862. However, RFC 5357 does not provide mechanism to restrict the source IP addr= ess of the request. How do you think about the potential DDOS attack risk from the unknown IP s= ource addresses? Thanks, Tianran --_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0F0C2njmtexg5researc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Allow only known addresses, or block entire address blocks

where most attacks are coming from. Use ACLs, IPtables, firewal= ls,

etc.  IOW, there are plenty of mechanisms beyond TWAMP to<= o:p>

meet this need.

 

Al

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Tianran Zhou
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:15 PM
To: secdir@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Cc: Caoli <caoli@huawei.com>
Subject: [ippm] security considerations on the TWAMP

 

Hi IPPM and SecDir,

 

When firstly set up the control session between the = client and the server, TWAMP(RFC5357) server will listen on a specific TCP = port. By default, the well-known port is 862.

However, RFC 5357 does not provide mechanism to rest= rict the source IP address of the request.

How do you think about the potential DDOS attack ris= k from the unknown IP source addresses?

 

Thanks,

Tianran

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I believe the draft is ready for publication, with a few minor comments below. Al multipoint-to-point +------+ ---<> R1 <> +------+ \ \ +------+ <> R4 <> / +------+ \ +------+ / \ +------+ ---<> R2 <> <> R4 <>--- +------+ / +------+ +------+ / <> R5 <> / +------+ +------+ / ---<> R3 <> +------+ I'm fairly sure the Router on the far right is R6 (Figure 1). Also the last sentence of Section 3 reads: While ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since it is a point-to- multipoint unicast flow. There is an issue with two phrases beginning "While" and "since", maybe thi= s was meant, (plus the phrase in italics?): An ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since it is a point-to- multipoint unicast flow, _or/and a point-to-point multipath flow_? Section 4.1 [I-D.amf-ippm-route] Reference out of date, please use WG = version. Section 5 And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if all the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored are measurement points, the sum of the number of packets on all the ingress interfaces and on all the egress interfaces is the same. Suggest And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if all the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored are measurement points, the sum of the number of packets on all the ingress interfaces _equals the number on egress interfaces for the _moni= tored_flow. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 flow, for 1 period): <>. Suggest It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 _monitored_flow,= for 1 period): <>. Section 13 You can probably just say, "This memo makes no requests of IANA." From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 3:18 PM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt= -mark Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working G= roup Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23. Please reply to ippm@ietf.or= g with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you = think this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair) --_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F103AFnjmtexg5researc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi IPPM,

 

I have reviewed the latest draft of multipoint= -alt-mark,

as well as several earlier versions.

 

I believe the draft is ready for publication, = with a few minor

comments below.

 

Al

 

 

       &nbs= p;  multipoint-to-point

       &nbs= p;      +------+

       &nbs= p;  ---<>  R1  <>

       &nbs= p;      +------+ \

       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   \ +------+

       &nbs= p;             =    <>  R4  <>

       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   / +------+ \

       &nbs= p;      +------+ /    =         \ +------+

       &nbs= p;  ---<>  R2  <>     &= nbsp;        <>  R4  <= ;>---

       &nbs= p;      +------+    &n= bsp;         / +------+

       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;     +------+ /

       &nbs= p;             =     <>  R5  <><= /p>

       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   / +------+

       &nbs= p;      +------+ /

       &nbs= p;  ---<>  R3  <>

       &nbs= p;      +------+

 

I’m fairly sure the Router on the far ri= ght is R6 (Figure 1).

 

Also the last sentence of Section 3 reads:

   While ECMP flow is in scope by de= finition, since it is a point-to-

   multipoint unicast flow.

There is an issue with two phrases beginning &= #8220;While” and “since”, maybe this

was meant, (plus the phrase in italics?):=

   An ECMP flow is in scope by defin= ition, since it is a point-to-

   multipoint unicast flow, _or/a= nd a point-to-point multipath flow_?

 <= /span>

Section 4.1

 

[I-D.amf-ippm-route]  Reference out of date, please use WG version.

 

Section 5

 

   And in case of no packet loss occ= urring in the marking period, if all

   the input and output points of th= e network domain to be monitored are

   measurement points, the sum of th= e number of packets on all the

   ingress interfaces and on all the= egress interfaces is the same.

Suggest

   And in case of no packet loss occ= urring in the marking period, if all

   the input and output points of th= e network domain to be monitored are

   measurement points, the sum of th= e number of packets on all the

   ingress interfaces _equals the= number on egress interfaces for the _monitored_flow.=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

   It is possible to define the Netw= ork Packet Loss (for 1 flow, for 1

   period): <<In a packet netw= ork, the number of lost packets is the

   number of packets counted by the = input nodes minus the number of

   packets counted by the output nod= es>>.

Suggest

   It is possible to define the Netw= ork Packet Loss (for 1 _monitored_flow, for 1

   period): <<In a packet netw= ork, the number of lost packets is the

   number of packets counted by the = input nodes minus the number of

   packets counted by the output nod= es>>.

 

Section 13

 

You can probably just say, “This memo ma= kes no requests of IANA.”

 

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf= .org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 3:18 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipo= int-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now = beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-a= lt-mark:

 

 

The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23= . Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and i= ndicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publication.

 

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)

--_000_4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F103AFnjmtexg5researc_-- From nobody Sun Dec 22 14:34:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023CB12004A for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.469 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, INVALID_MSGID=0.568, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id btst0Qt-geVD for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C728B120013 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id C9DFA715F06F0CC9DB21; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fraeml719-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.15) by LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:34:19 +0000 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.33) by fraeml719-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:34:18 +0100 Received: from fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) by fraeml714-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.33]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:34:18 +0100 From: Giuseppe Fioccola To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Tommy Pauly , IETF IPPM WG Thread-Topic: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark Thread-Index: AQHVrs3X6Go/87GQBkK5gbvs1jYGAafGb2MAgABi5nA= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:34:18 +0000 Message-ID: C1308DE6-8991-4F93-B9D7-C1FCDB871911 References: <36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com>, <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F103AF@njmtexg5.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F103AF@njmtexg5.research.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C1308DE689914F93B9D7C1FCDB871911_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:34:27 -0000 --_000_C1308DE689914F93B9D7C1FCDB871911_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Al, Thank you for the support and for the inputs. Your suggestions are ok and I will address them in the new revision of the = draft. Regards, Giuseppe ________________________________ Giuseppe Fioccola Mobile: +49-15222812418">15222812418 Email: giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com">giuseppe.fioccola= @huawei.com From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)> To: Tommy Pauly>;IETF IPPM WG> Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint= -alt-mark Time: 2019-12-22 18:41:08 Hi IPPM, I have reviewed the latest draft of multipoint-alt-mark, as well as several earlier versions. I believe the draft is ready for publication, with a few minor comments below. Al multipoint-to-point +------+ ---<> R1 <> +------+ \ \ +------+ <> R4 <> / +------+ \ +------+ / \ +------+ ---<> R2 <> <> R4 <>--- +------+ / +------+ +------+ / <> R5 <> / +------+ +------+ / ---<> R3 <> +------+ I=92m fairly sure the Router on the far right is R6 (Figure 1). Also the last sentence of Section 3 reads: While ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since it is a point-to- multipoint unicast flow. There is an issue with two phrases beginning =93While=94 and =93since=94, m= aybe this was meant, (plus the phrase in italics?): An ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since it is a point-to- multipoint unicast flow, _or/and a point-to-point multipath flow_? Section 4.1 [I-D.amf-ippm-route] Reference out of date, please use WG = version. Section 5 And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if all the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored are measurement points, the sum of the number of packets on all the ingress interfaces and on all the egress interfaces is the same. Suggest And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if all the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored are measurement points, the sum of the number of packets on all the ingress interfaces _equals the number on egress interfaces for the _moni= tored_flow. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 flow, for 1 period): <>. Suggest It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 _monitored_flow,= for 1 period): <>. Section 13 You can probably just say, =93This memo makes no requests of IANA.=94 From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf..org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 3:18 PM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt= -mark Hello IPPM, Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the Working G= roup Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23.. Please reply to ippm@ietf.o= rg with your reviews, and indicate whether or not you= think this document is ready for publication. Best, Tommy (as co-chair) --_000_C1308DE689914F93B9D7C1FCDB871911_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Al,
Thank you for&nbs= p;the support and for the inputs.
Your suggestions = are ok and I will address them in t= he new revision of the draft.

Regards,

Giuseppe



Giuseppe Fioccola
Mobile: +49-15222812418">15222812418  
Email: giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com">giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com


From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)<acm@research.att.com>
To: Tommy Pauly<tpauly=3D40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>;IETF IPPM WG<ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ipp= m-multipoint-alt-mark
Time: 2019-12-22 18:41:08

Hi IPPM,

 

I have reviewed the latest draft of multipoi= nt-alt-mark,

as well as several earlier versions.<= /p>

 

I believe the draft is ready for publication= , with a few minor

comments below.

 

Al

 

 

       &n= bsp;  multipoint-to-point

       &n= bsp;      +------+

       &n= bsp;  ---<>  R1  <>

       &n= bsp;      +------+ \

       &n= bsp;            = ;    \ +------+

       &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;   <>  R4  <>

       &n= bsp;            = ;    / +------+ \

       &n= bsp;      +------+ /   &nbs= p;        \ +------+

       &n= bsp;  ---<>  R2  <>     = ;         <>  R4  &= lt;>---

       &n= bsp;      +------+    =           / +------+

       &n= bsp;            = ;      +------+ /

       &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;    <>  R5  <>

       &n= bsp;            = ;    / +------+

       &n= bsp;      +------+ /

       &n= bsp;  ---<>  R3  <>

       &n= bsp;      +------+

 

I=92m fairly sure the Router on the far righ= t is R6 (Figure 1).

 

Also the last sentence of Section 3 reads:

   While ECMP flow is in scope by = definition, since it is a point-to-

   multipoint unicast flow.=

There is an issue with two phrases beginning= =93While=94 and =93since=94, maybe this

was meant, (plus the phrase in italics?):

   An ECMP flow is in scope by def= inition, since it is a point-to-

   multipoint unicast flow, _or/and a point-to-point multipath flow_?

 

Section 4.1

 

[I-D.amf-ippm-route]  Reference out of date, please use WG version.

 

Section 5

 

   And in case of no packet loss o= ccurring in the marking period, if all

   the input and output points of = the network domain to be monitored are

   measurement points, the sum of = the number of packets on all the

   ingress interfaces and on all t= he egress interfaces is the same.

Suggest

   And in case of no packet loss o= ccurring in the marking period, if all

   the input and output points of = the network domain to be monitored are

   measurement points, the sum of = the number of packets on all the

   ingress interfaces _equals t= he number on egress interfaces for the _monitored_flow.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

   It is possible to define the Ne= twork Packet Loss (for 1 flow, for 1

   period): <<In a packet ne= twork, the number of lost packets is the

   number of packets counted by th= e input nodes minus the number of

   packets counted by the output n= odes>>.

Suggest

   It is possible to define the Ne= twork Packet Loss (for 1 _monitored_flow, for 1

   period): <<In a packet ne= twork, the number of lost packets is the

   number of packets counted by th= e input nodes minus the number of

   packets counted by the output n= odes>>.

 

Section 13

 

You can probably just say, =93This memo make= s no requests of IANA.=94

 

 

From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ie= tf..org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 3:18 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipo= int-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now = beginning the Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-a= lt-mark:

 

 

The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23= .. Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and i= ndicate whether or not you think this document is ready for publication.

 

Best,

Tommy (as co-chair)

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Topics of interest are the same as research topics in the SOSR call for papers. We particularly invite the submission of emerging results in SDN research that address timely problems, that can help evolve the landscape of SDN, that enhance our understanding of how SDN works in real-world deployments or realistic testbeds, or that could influence further applied research and experimentation in industry. The SOSR 2020 Demos and Posters committee will review all proposals. All demos will be provided with table space, an external display, a poster board and wireless Internet access by default. The demos should be configured to run in a cloud environment accessible via Internet and presented from the exhibition space floor on the demonstrator's laptop. Any additional needs (beyond the defaults: table, monitor, Internet) such as equipment for the demo, required setup time or additional facilities must be requested with submission. If you have interesting early-stage work, which has not yet evolved into a fully-fledged demo, please consider submitting a poster proposal. *What is a poster?* We expect both poster and demo presenters to prepare a poster. A poster is A0 paper size in portrait mode (841 =C3=97 1189mm), to which you can affix visually appealing material that describes your research. Alternatively, you can use the space as a continuum. You should prepare the best material (visually appealing and succinct) that effectively communicates your research problem, techniques, results, and what is novel/important about the work. You do not submit such a large-format image; only an abstract describing in text what the poster would present. *What to submit* Please submit your demo or poster proposal in the form of a two-page abstract in PDF. The abstract should clearly state: (a) the problem being addressed, (b) what makes this problem interesting, important, and challenging, (c) your approach to the problem, and (d) the key contributions. If you are submitting a demo, you should also include a video clip showcasing the work, in addition to the abstract. The video should be no more than 3 minutes and should give a good idea of what the demo is about and what it would look like. A link to the video should be included in the abstract PDF. Prepare your abstract using the 10=C2=AD point format following the *2017 A= CM SIG LaTeX style file = *. Use the sample latex file sample-sigconf.tex. Word documents will not be accepted. The abstracts of accepted posters and demos will be available to all attendees at the conference. Students who are submitting demos/posters are highly encouraged to examine if they are eligible for student travel grants. *Where to submit* Please submit your abstract to https://sosr20posters.hotcrp.com/ . Submissions are single blind, so please include authors' names and affiliation. *Important Dates* Submission Deadline: January 24, 2020 (23:59 PST) Acceptance Notification: February 3, 2020 Camera-ready Deadline: February 17, 2020 --00000000000053ff28059a530f19 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Call for Demos and Posters - SOSR 2= 020

The ACM Symposium on SDN Research (SOSR) demos and posters session=20 showcases research projects that are in an early stage and could benefit from community feedback. Topics of interest are the same as=20 research topics in the SOSR call for papers. We particularly invite the=20 submission of emerging results in SDN research that address timely=20 problems, that can help evolve the landscape of SDN, that enhance our=20 understanding of how SDN works in real-world deployments or realistic=20 testbeds, or that could influence further applied research and=20 experimentation in industry. The SOSR 2020 Demos and Posters committee=20 will review all proposals.

All demos will be provided with table space, an external display, a poster=20 board and wireless Internet access by default. The demos should be=20 configured to run in a cloud environment accessible via Internet and=20 presented from the exhibition space floor on the demonstrator's laptop.= =20 Any additional needs (beyond the defaults: table, monitor, Internet)=20 such as equipment for the demo, required setup time or additional=20 facilities must be requested with submission.

If you have interesting early-stage work, which has not yet evolved into a fully-fledged demo, please consider submitting a poster proposal.

What is a poster?

We expect both poster and demo presenters to prepare a poster. A poster is A0 paper size in portrait mode (841 =C3=97 1189mm), to which you can affix= =20 visually appealing material that describes your research. Alternatively, you can use the space as a continuum. You should prepare the best=20 material (visually appealing and succinct) that effectively communicates your research problem, techniques, results, and what is novel/important about the work. You do not submit such a large-format image; only an=20 abstract describing in text what the poster would present.

What to submit

Plea= se submit your demo or poster proposal in the form of a two-page abstract=20 in PDF. The abstract should clearly state: (a) the problem being=20 addressed, (b) what makes this problem interesting, important, and=20 challenging, (c) your approach to the problem, and (d) the key=20 contributions.

If you are submitting a demo, you should also include a video clip=20 showcasing the work, in addition to the abstract. The video should be no more than 3 minutes and should give a good idea of what the demo is=20 about and what it would look like. A link to the video should be=20 included in the abstract PDF.

Prepare your abstra= ct using the 10=C2=AD point format following the=C2=A02017 ACM SIG L= aTeX style file. Use the sample latex file sample-sigconf.tex. Word documents will not=20 be accepted. The abstracts of accepted posters and demos will be=20 available to all attendees at the conference.

Stu= dents who are submitting demos/posters are highly encouraged to examine if = they are eligible for student travel grants.

Where to submit

Please submit you= r abstract to=C2=A0https://sosr20posters.hotcrp.com/. Submissions are single b= lind, so please include authors' names and affiliation.

Important Dates

= Submission Deadline:
January 24, 2020 (2= 3:59 PST)
Acceptance Notification:February 3, 2020
Camera-ready Deadline:February 17, 202= 0
--00000000000053ff28059a530f19-- From nobody Sun Dec 22 22:12:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078EC120072; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:12:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6_08MsNpCod; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDA1D120025; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id DC5CA2F584BF82B4E3B2; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.44) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:43 +0000 Received: from lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) by lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:43 +0000 Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:43 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:12:32 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "secdir@ietf.org" , IETF IPPM WG CC: Caoli Thread-Topic: security considerations on the TWAMP Thread-Index: AdW2IE+K7R6ZTjm3QMWstOtse9zzeAAULTEgALmpQHA= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0F0C2@njmtexg5.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F0F0C2@njmtexg5.research.att.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.162] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF1634A1NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] security considerations on the TWAMP X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:50 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF1634A1NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Al! Good to know your opinion on this. Merry Christmas! Tianran From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) [mailto:acm@research.att.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 9:38 PM To: Tianran Zhou ; secdir@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG Cc: Caoli Subject: RE: security considerations on the TWAMP Allow only known addresses, or block entire address blocks where most attacks are coming from. Use ACLs, IPtables, firewalls, etc. IOW, there are plenty of mechanisms beyond TWAMP to meet this need. Al From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tianran Zhou Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:15 PM To: secdir@ietf.org; IETF IPPM WG > Cc: Caoli > Subject: [ippm] security considerations on the TWAMP Hi IPPM and SecDir, When firstly set up the control session between the client and the server, = TWAMP(RFC5357) server will listen on a specific TCP port. By default, the w= ell-known port is 862. However, RFC 5357 does not provide mechanism to restrict the source IP addr= ess of the request. How do you think about the potential DDOS attack risk from the unknown IP s= ource addresses? Thanks, Tianran --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF1634A1NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Al!<= /span>

Good to know your opin= ion on this.

 

Merry Christmas!<= /o:p>

Tianran

 

From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) [mailto:acm@resea= rch.att.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 9:38 PM
To: Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com>; secdir@ietf.org; IE= TF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Cc: Caoli <caoli@huawei.com>
Subject: RE: security considerations on the TWAMP

 

Allow only known addresses, or block entire address blocks

where most attacks are coming from. Use ACLs, IPtables, firewal= ls,

etc.  IOW, there are plenty of mechanisms beyond TWAMP to<= o:p>

meet this need.

 

Al

 

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We also like to = raise more discussion in email list. >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-ippm-postcard-based-telemetry/= > The draft is now in version 06.=20 > =20 > It describes and compare two basic types of on-path telemetry = techniques: postcard and passport. > It describes two subtypes of postcard techniques: instruction-based = and marking-based. Both has its applications: > =20 > The instruction-based variation has been stripped out from the draft = and now evolves to be a new IOAM option mode. The draft has been adopted = by IPPM. > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export-00 > =20 > The marking-based variation has inspired an implementation in SRv6 = which was presented in 6MAN. > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-6man-srv6-pbt-01 > =20 > We also presented in IPPM the work on using postcard or combining = passport and postcard to support efficient multicast telemetry. > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-multicast-telemetry-01 > =20 > We believe this informational draft introduces an important type of = on-path telemetry technique. > The discussion on technique pros and cons can guide the corresponding = technique development, which is evidenced by the above examples. > Therefore, I request the working group to consider adoption of it as = WG document. My review of the list discussion to date does not suggest a consensus = emerging that a call for adoption should be issued at this time. = However, we can place a ten-minute slot on the agenda in Vancouver to = discuss this in person. 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<36BC36E1-2BE2-4DF6-8C04-F008B9F01BDC@apple.com> <4D7F4AD313D3FC43A053B309F97543CFA6F103AF@njmtexg5.research.att.com> Cc: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Tommy Pauly To: Giuseppe Fioccola , IETF IPPM WG Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3594.4.17) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-12-23_07:, , signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 19:34:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4C4587B9-34AE-4910-A66B-32E6E593719B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello all, Thanks for your inputs during the last call! We will progress the = document to the IESG once we get a Document Shepherd write-up. Authors, please post an update of the draft to include Al's comments = when you can. We also do need a Document Shepherd to create the write-up for this = draft. If anyone in the group who is not an author on this document = would like to be the document shepherd, please send an email to the = chairs! Best, Tommy > On Dec 22, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Giuseppe Fioccola = wrote: >=20 > Dear Al, > Thank you for the support and for the inputs. > Your suggestions are ok and I will address them in the new revision of = the draft. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Giuseppe >=20 >=20 >=20 > Giuseppe Fioccola > Mobile: +49-15222812418 ">15222812418 = =20 > Email: giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com ">giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com = >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)> > To: Tommy Pauly>;IETF IPPM = WG> > Subject: Re: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: = draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark > Time: 2019-12-22 18:41:08 >=20 > Hi IPPM, > =20 > I have reviewed the latest draft of multipoint-alt-mark, > as well as several earlier versions. > =20 > I believe the draft is ready for publication, with a few minor > comments below. > =20 > Al > =20 > =20 > multipoint-to-point > +------+ > ---<> R1 <> > +------+ \ > \ +------+ > <> R4 <> > / +------+ \ > +------+ / \ +------+ > ---<> R2 <> <> R4 <>--- > +------+ / +------+ > +------+ / > <> R5 <> > / +------+ > +------+ / > ---<> R3 <> > +------+ > =20 > I=E2=80=99m fairly sure the Router on the far right is R6 (Figure 1). > =20 > Also the last sentence of Section 3 reads: > While ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since it is a point-to- > multipoint unicast flow. > There is an issue with two phrases beginning =E2=80=9CWhile=E2=80=9D = and =E2=80=9Csince=E2=80=9D, maybe this > was meant, (plus the phrase in italics?): > An ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since it is a point-to- > multipoint unicast flow, _or/and a point-to-point multipath flow_? > =C2=A0 <> > Section 4.1 > =20 > [I-D.amf-ippm-route = ] Reference out of date, please use WG version. > =20 > Section 5 > =20 > And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if = all > the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored = are > measurement points, the sum of the number of packets on all the > ingress interfaces and on all the egress interfaces is the same. > Suggest > And in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if = all > the input and output points of the network domain to be monitored = are > measurement points, the sum of the number of packets on all the > ingress interfaces _equals the number on egress interfaces for the = _monitored_flow. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 flow, for 1 > period): < number of packets counted by the input nodes minus the number of > packets counted by the output nodes>>. > Suggest > It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 = _monitored_flow, for 1 > period): < number of packets counted by the input nodes minus the number of > packets counted by the output nodes>>. > =20 > Section 13 > =20 > You can probably just say, =E2=80=9CThis memo makes no requests of = IANA.=E2=80=9D > =20 > =20 > From: ippm [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf..org] On Behalf Of Tommy Pauly > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 3:18 PM > To: IETF IPPM WG > > Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last Call: = draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark > =20 > Hello IPPM, > =20 > Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now beginning the = Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark: > =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-03 = > =20 > The Last Call will end on Monday, December 23... Please reply to = ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and indicate = whether or not you think this document is ready for publication. > =20 > Best, > Tommy (as co-chair) > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm = --Apple-Mail=_4C4587B9-34AE-4910-A66B-32E6E593719B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello= all,

Thanks for = your inputs during the last call! We will progress the document to the = IESG once we get a Document Shepherd write-up.

Authors, please post = an update of the draft to include Al's comments when you can.

We also do = need a Document Shepherd to create the write-up for this draft. If = anyone in the group who is not an author on this document would like to = be the document shepherd, please send an email to the chairs!

Best,
Tommy

On Dec 22, 2019, at 2:34 PM, = Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear Al,
Thank you for the support and for=  the inputs.
Your suggestions are ok and I wil= l address them in the new revision of&n= bsp;the draft.

Regards,

Giuseppe



Giuseppe Fioccola
Mobile: +49-15222812418">15222812418  
Email: giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com">giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com



From: MORTON, ALFRED C = (AL)<acm@research.att.com>
To: Tommy= Pauly<tpauly=3D40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>;IETF IPPM = WG<ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [ippm] Working = Group Last Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark
Time: 2019-12-22 = 18:41:08

Hi = IPPM,

 

I have reviewed the latest draft of = multipoint-alt-mark,
as well as several earlier = versions.

 

I believe the draft is ready for = publication, with a few minor
comments below.

 

Al

 

 

          = multipoint-to-point
          &nb= sp;   +------+
          = ---<>  R1  <>
          &nb= sp;   +------+ \
          &nb= sp;            = ; \ +------+
          &nb= sp;  =            <>=   R4  <>
          &nb= sp;            = ; / +------+ \
          &nb= sp;   +------+ = /            \ = +------+
          = ---<>  R2  = <>           =    <>  R4  <>---
          &nb= sp;   = +------+           =    / +------+
          &nb= sp;            = ;   +------+ /
          &nb= sp;    =           <> = R5  <>
          &nb= sp;            = ; / +------+
          &nb= sp;   +------+ /
          = ---<>  R3  <>
          &nb= sp;   +------+

 

I=E2=80=99m = fairly sure the Router on the far right is R6 (Figure 1).

 

Also the last sentence of Section 3 = reads:
   While ECMP flow is in scope by definition, since = it is a point-to-
   multipoint unicast = flow.
There is an issue with two phrases beginning =E2=80=9CWhile=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9Csince=E2=80=9D, maybe this
was meant, (plus = the phrase in italics?):
   An ECMP flow is in = scope by definition, since it is a point-to-
   = multipoint unicast flow, _or/and a point-to-point = multipath flow_?
Section 4.1

 

[I-D.amf-ippm-route]  Reference out of date, please use WG = version.

 

Section 5

 

   And in case of no packet loss = occurring in the marking period, if all
   the input = and output points of the network domain to be monitored = are
   measurement points, the sum of the number of = packets on all the
   ingress interfaces and on all the = egress interfaces is the same.
Suggest
   And = in case of no packet loss occurring in the marking period, if = all
   the input and output points of the network = domain to be monitored are
   measurement points, = the sum of the number of packets on all the
   = ingress interfaces _equals the number on egress interfaces = for the _monitored_flow.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
   It is possible to define the Network Packet Loss = (for 1 flow, for 1
   period): <<In a packet = network, the number of lost packets is the
   = number of packets counted by the input nodes minus the number = of
   packets counted by the output = nodes>>.
Suggest
   It is possible to = define the Network Packet Loss (for 1 _monitored_flow, = for 1
   period): <<In a packet network, the number = of lost packets is the
   number of packets = counted by the input nodes minus the number of
   = packets counted by the output nodes>>.

 

Section 13

 

You can probably = just say, =E2=80=9CThis memo makes no requests of = IANA.=E2=80=9D

 

 

From: ippm = [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf..org] On Behalf = Of Tommy Pauly
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 = 3:18 PM
To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>
Subject: [ippm] Working Group Last = Call: draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark

 

Hello IPPM,

 

Continuing on in our list of Last Calls, we are now = beginning the Working Group Last Call = for draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark:

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark= -03

 

The Last Call will end on Monday, = December 23... Please reply to ippm@ietf.org with your reviews, and = indicate whether or not you think this document is ready for = publication.

 

Best,
Tommy (as = co-chair)
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