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1GAEVp-0005qT-Ob; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:27:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAEVo-0005qO-QD for ipsec@ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:27:56 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAEVn-0006zg-CL for ipsec@ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:27:56 -0400 Received: from [10.20.30.249] (dsl-63-249-108-169.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k77NRrNP098250 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:27:50 -0700 To: IPsec WG From: The IESG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Subject: [Ipsec] Protocol Action: 'IKE and IKEv2 Authentication Using ECDSA' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Security List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipsec-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IKE and IKEv2 Authentication Using ECDSA ' as a Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Russ Housley. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ike-auth-ecdsa-06.txt Technical Summary This document describes how the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) may be used as the authentication method within the Internet Key Exchange (IKE) and Internet Key Exchange version 2 (IKEv2) protocols. ECDSA may provide benefits including computational efficiency, small signature sizes, and minimal bandwidth compared to other available digital signature methods. This document adds ECDSA capability to IKE without introducing any changes to existing IKE operation. Working Group Summary This document is an individual submission. It was discussed in the IPsec Working Group, but that working group was closed before reaching consensus on this document. Thus, it is not affiliated with any IETF Working Group. Protocol Quality This document was reviewed by Russ Housley for the IESG. Note to IANA The registry is http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipsec-registry [IANA-IKE], and the section within the registry is "IPSEC Authentication Methods". The three new additions are: Method Value ------ ----- ECDSA with SHA-256 on the P-256 curve 9 ECDSA with SHA-384 on the P-384 curve 10 ECDSA with SHA-521 on the P-512 curve 11 The registry is http://www.iana.org/assignments/ikev2-parameters [IANA-IKEv2], and the section within the registry is "IKEv2 Authentication Method". The three new additions are: Method Value ------ ----- ECDSA with SHA-256 on the P-256 curve 9 ECDSA with SHA-384 on the P-384 curve 10 ECDSA with SHA-521 on the P-512 curve 11 _______________________________________________ Ipsec mailing list Ipsec@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec From ipsec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 08 08:27:08 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAQfk-0000vy-Ma; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:27:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAQfj-0000vs-3h; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:26:59 -0400 Received: from fireball.acr.fi ([83.145.195.1] helo=mail.kivinen.iki.fi) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAQfh-0002Rb-Av; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:26:59 -0400 Received: from fireball.kivinen.iki.fi (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mail.kivinen.iki.fi (8.13.5.20060308/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k78CQmnZ016090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:26:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from kivinen@localhost) by fireball.kivinen.iki.fi (8.13.5.20060308/8.12.11) id k78CQmcb021842; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:26:48 +0300 (EEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fireball.kivinen.iki.fi: kivinen set sender to kivinen@iki.fi using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17624.33544.250706.116205@fireball.kivinen.iki.fi> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:26:48 +0300 From: Tero Kivinen To: The IESG Subject: [Ipsec] Protocol Action: 'IKE and IKEv2 Authentication Using ECDSA' to Proposed Standard In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Edit-Time: 4 min X-Total-Time: 9 min X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: IPsec WG X-BeenThere: ipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Security List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipsec-bounces@ietf.org The IESG writes: > The IESG has approved the following document: > > - 'IKE and IKEv2 Authentication Using ECDSA ' > as a Proposed Standard > > Note to IANA > > The registry is http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipsec-registry [IANA-IKE], > and the section within the registry is "IPSEC Authentication Methods". > The three new additions are: > > Method Value > ------ ----- > ECDSA with SHA-256 on the P-256 curve 9 > ECDSA with SHA-384 on the P-384 curve 10 > ECDSA with SHA-521 on the P-512 curve 11 > > The registry is http://www.iana.org/assignments/ikev2-parameters > [IANA-IKEv2], and the section within the registry is "IKEv2 > Authentication Method". The three new additions are: > > Method Value > ------ ----- > ECDSA with SHA-256 on the P-256 curve 9 > ECDSA with SHA-384 on the P-384 curve 10 > ECDSA with SHA-521 on the P-512 curve 11 As the currently allocated numbers in the IKEv2-parameters for the "IKEv2 Authentication Method" are completely different that IKEv1, and the first unallocated number in that registry is 4, I think it would be much better to simply take next available numbers (i.e. 4, 5, and 6) instead of the proposed numbers, which would leave a gap of 4-8 to the registry. This also affects the hex encoded packet examples in the section 8. -- kivinen@safenet-inc.com _______________________________________________ Ipsec mailing list Ipsec@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec From ipsec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 21 11:22:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFBYu-0006mc-Lb; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:19:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFBYt-0006mX-Q3 for ipsec@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:19:35 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFBYs-0002v9-Dv for ipsec@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:19:35 -0400 Received: from [10.20.30.249] (dsl-63-249-108-169.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k7LFJUHD023188 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:19:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:16:15 -0700 To: IPsec WG From: The IESG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Subject: [Ipsec] Last Call: 'An Architecture for Provider Provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPsec' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-l3vpn-ce-based) X-BeenThere: ipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Security List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipsec-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks WG to consider the following documents: - 'Applicability Statement for Provider Provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPsec ' as an Informational RFC - 'An Architecture for Provider Provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPsec ' as an Informational RFC These documents were a product of first the PPVPN WG, and later the L3VPN WG. They passed WG Last Call, but have not been actively discussed in the WG for some time. There is little interest to work on CE-based VPN problems within the WG today. The L3VPN WG is being rechartered to reflect this, and these documents are being advanced as Informational for the historical record. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-09-04. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-declercq-l3vpn-ce-based-as-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l3vpn-ce-based-03.txt _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce _______________________________________________ Ipsec mailing list Ipsec@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec From ipsec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 22 06:44:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFThi-0006XF-Le; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:41:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFThg-0006Wu-N4; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:41:52 -0400 Received: from fireball.acr.fi ([83.145.195.1] helo=mail.kivinen.iki.fi) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFThe-000176-Ne; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:41:52 -0400 Received: from fireball.kivinen.iki.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kivinen.iki.fi (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7MAfPvl008641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:41:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from kivinen@localhost) by fireball.kivinen.iki.fi (8.13.8/8.12.11) id k7MAfNJY022444; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:41:23 +0300 (EEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fireball.kivinen.iki.fi: kivinen set sender to kivinen@iki.fi using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17642.57171.608004.774627@fireball.kivinen.iki.fi> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:41:23 +0300 From: Tero Kivinen To: jeremy.de_clercq@alcatel.be, cliff.wang@us.army.mil, dave.mcdysan@wcom.com X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-Edit-Time: 19 min X-Total-Time: 83 min X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: ipsec@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Ipsec] Comments to draft-declercq-l3vpn-ce-based-as-00.txt X-BeenThere: ipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Security List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ipsec-bounces@ietf.org This document really should expand CE when it is used first time in the abstract... > 13. QoS, SLA > > In addition to the VPN service (reachability and security) from the > SP, the VPN customer may want to acquire QoS features for its VPN. > Dependent on the business scenario, the SLA will be provided by the > VPN SP or by the Network Provider. > > Note that the fact that customer IP packets are encapsulated (and > possibly encrypted) at the CE devices has an impact on the QoS > treatment of the IP packets: QoS-related information inside the > customer IP packets may become invisible. > > An eventual translation of QoS-related fields (e.g. DSCP) in the > inner IP header to QoS-related fields in the outer IP headers need to > be done at the CE-level and configured as such by the SP. Also the > 'policing' rules (e.g. certain customers not being allowed to use > certain QoS values, etc.) need to be configured by the SP in the CE > devices. The security infrastructure of the CE device must prevent > the customer from messing with this provider-controlled > configuration. > > The CE-CE tunneling applied in Provider Provisioned CE-based IPsec > VPNs easily meets the DSCP transparency requirements of [REQS]. Note, that if packets having different QoS parameters are put inside one IPsec SA tunnel, and the packets are really processed differently by the network, this may cause the responder to drop all low priority packets as the high priority packets which have passed those low priority packets in the network have already made replay window to go too far. I.e. low priority packets might take too long to travel inside the network so that when they finally end to the destination the destination cannot process them as they are outside the replay protection window. The solution to this in the RFC 4301 IPsec Security Architecture is to create multiple IPsec SAs between the nodes and send only traffic having similar QoS parameters to one SA. This does affect the scalability (i.e. section 12) as it raises the number of IPsec SAs, but each of those IPsec SA can share the same IKE SA and interface, routing information etc. I think something about this should be mentioned in the section 13. See section 4.1 (last paragraph of the page 13) of the RFC 4301 for more information. Other comments: > 14.4 Security > > The security aspects of the VPN management system are extremely > important. > > De SP's management system itself needs to be secured against ^^ ??? > misconfiguration, intrusion and denial-of-service attacks. > > De management protocol that is used to remotely provision the CE ^^ ??? > devices needs to provide for mutual authentication, encryption of the > transported data, etc. The references section does not have normative / informative references split, and I think it should have referenses at least to IPsec architecture RFC 4301, and IKEv2 RFC 4306. -- kivinen@safenet-inc.com _______________________________________________ Ipsec mailing list Ipsec@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec