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Hi, I never received a response to the attached message.  I suspect the 
answer is that IKEv2 simply does not accomodate OPAQUE IPv6 protocol 
values.  Is this correct?  If so, will this be addressed in a future 
amendment to RFC 4306?  And how are existing IKEv2 implementations 
approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol in combination with SAs?

Thanks in advance,


Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)




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Hi, I am reading RFCs 4301, 4306 and have a question regarding 
interpretation.  RFC 4301 stipulates that SPD entries and SAs may cover 
OPAQUE port values, in case of non-initial packet fragments where the 
ports are unknown.  In the case of IPv6, it also stipulates support for 
OPAQUE protocol values in SPD entries and SAs, since the IPv6 protocol is 
not known in non-initial fragments (and might not be known in the first 
fragment).  I understand that IKEv2 specifies an OPAQUE port value using 
the special port range [65535, 0].  However, I cannot determine how IKEv2 
specifies an OPAQUE protocol value, since protocol ranges are not 
supported.

I found a few notes on this list from November 2004 referencing this 
problem, but without any resolution.  RFC 4718 doesn't reference this 
problem.

The inability to specify an OPAQUE protocol value seems to be a deficiency 
in the IKEv2 specification relative to the requirements of RFC 4301.  Am I 
missing something?  If not, how are various IKEv2 implementations 
approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol values in combination with SAs?

Thanks in advance,


Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi, I never received a response to the
attached message. &nbsp;I suspect the answer is that IKEv2 simply does
not accomodate OPAQUE IPv6 protocol values. &nbsp;Is this correct? &nbsp;If
so, will this be addressed in a future amendment to RFC 4306? &nbsp;And
how are existing IKEv2 implementations approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol
in combination with SAs?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks in advance,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)<br>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi, I am reading RFCs 4301, 4306 and
have a question regarding interpretation. &nbsp;RFC 4301 stipulates that
SPD entries and SAs may cover OPAQUE port values, in case of non-initial
packet fragments where the ports are unknown. &nbsp;In the case of IPv6,
it also stipulates support for OPAQUE <i>protocol</i> values in SPD entries
and SAs, since the IPv6 protocol is not known in non-initial fragments
(and might not be known in the first fragment). &nbsp;I understand that
IKEv2 specifies an OPAQUE port value using the special port range [65535,
0]. &nbsp;However, I cannot determine how IKEv2 specifies an OPAQUE protocol
value, since protocol ranges are not supported.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I found a few notes on this list from
November 2004 referencing this problem, but without any resolution. &nbsp;RFC
4718 doesn't reference this problem.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The inability to specify an OPAQUE protocol
value seems to be a deficiency in the IKEv2 specification relative to the
requirements of RFC 4301. &nbsp;Am I missing something? &nbsp;If not, how
are various IKEv2 implementations approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol
values in combination with SAs?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks in advance,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)</font>
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Hi Scott,=0A=0AI believe there is no need for "protocol" values to be OPAQU=
E. OPAQUE datatypes are assigned for those values which may not be availabl=
e in a fragmented packet for SPD or SAD matching. Hence port values which a=
ppear in the TCP /UDP header may not be available in a fragment of the orig=
inal TCP/UDP packet, if that fragment happens to be non-first.=0ABut there =
are no such issues with protocol values because, this values are obtained f=
rom the IP header during SPD/SAD matching. Hence irrespective of fragmentat=
ion, the protocol value is always available. Also this value is always in c=
lear text because the outer IP header in  a tunnel mode or the IP header in=
 a transport mode, is not going to be encrpypted (with ESP).=0AHence the pr=
otocol value cannot be OPAQUE. That is why there is no provision in IKEv2 f=
or defining protocol to be OPAQUE.=0A=0ARegards=0ADipanjan Datta=0A=0A=0AOn=
 Tue, 01 May 2007 Scott C Moonen wrote :=0A>Hi, I never received a response=
 to the attached message.  I suspect the=0A>answer is that IKEv2 simply doe=
s not accomodate OPAQUE IPv6 protocol=0A>values.  Is this correct?  If so, =
will this be addressed in a future=0A>amendment to RFC 4306?  And how are e=
xisting IKEv2 implementations=0A>approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol in =
combination with SAs?=0A>=0A>Thanks in advance,=0A>=0A>=0A>Scott Moonen (sm=
oonen@us.ibm.com)=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Scott C Moonen/Raleigh/IBM=0A>02/13/20=
07 02:30 PM=0A>=0A>To=0A>ipsec@ietf.org=0A>cc=0A>=0A>Subject=0A>IKEv2 and O=
PAQUE protocol=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi, I am reading RFCs 4301, 4306 and =
have a question regarding=0A>interpretation.  RFC 4301 stipulates that SPD =
entries and SAs may cover=0A>OPAQUE port values, in case of non-initial pac=
ket fragments where the=0A>ports are unknown.  In the case of IPv6, it also=
 stipulates support for=0A>OPAQUE protocol values in SPD entries and SAs, s=
ince the IPv6 protocol is=0A>not known in non-initial fragments (and might =
not be known in the first=0A>fragment).  I understand that IKEv2 specifies =
an OPAQUE port value using=0A>the special port range [65535, 0].  However, =
I cannot determine how IKEv2=0A>specifies an OPAQUE protocol value, since p=
rotocol ranges are not=0A>supported.=0A>=0A>I found a few notes on this lis=
t from November 2004 referencing this=0A>problem, but without any resolutio=
n.  RFC 4718 doesn't reference this=0A>problem.=0A>=0A>The inability to spe=
cify an OPAQUE protocol value seems to be a deficiency=0A>in the IKEv2 spec=
ification relative to the requirements of RFC 4301.  Am I=0A>missing someth=
ing?  If not, how are various IKEv2 implementations=0A>approaching the use =
of OPAQUE protocol values in combination with SAs?=0A>=0A>Thanks in advance=
,=0A>=0A>=0A>Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)=0A>_________________________=
______________________=0A>Ipsec mailing list=0A>Ipsec@ietf.org=0A>https://w=
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<P>=0AHi Scott,<BR>=0A<BR>=0AI believe there is no need for &quot;protocol&=
quot; values to be OPAQUE. OPAQUE datatypes are assigned for those values w=
hich may not be available in a fragmented packet for SPD or SAD matching. H=
ence port values which appear in the TCP /UDP header may not be available i=
n a fragment of the original TCP/UDP packet, if that fragment happens to be=
 non-first.<BR>=0ABut there are no such issues with protocol values because=
, this values are obtained from the IP header during SPD/SAD matching. Henc=
e irrespective of fragmentation, the protocol value is always available. Al=
so this value is always in clear text because the outer IP header in&nbsp; =
a tunnel mode or the IP header in a transport mode, is not going to be encr=
pypted (with ESP).<BR>=0AHence the protocol value cannot be OPAQUE. That is=
 why there is no provision in IKEv2 for defining protocol to be OPAQUE.<BR>=
=0A<BR>=0ARegards<BR>=0ADipanjan Datta<BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0AOn Tue, 01 May 2=
007 Scott C Moonen wrote :<BR>=0A&gt;Hi, I never received a response to the=
 attached message.&nbsp; I suspect the<BR>=0A&gt;answer is that IKEv2 simpl=
y does not accomodate OPAQUE IPv6 protocol<BR>=0A&gt;values.&nbsp; Is this =
correct?&nbsp; If so, will this be addressed in a future<BR>=0A&gt;amendmen=
t to RFC 4306?&nbsp; And how are existing IKEv2 implementations<BR>=0A&gt;a=
pproaching the use of OPAQUE protocol in combination with SAs?<BR>=0A&gt;<B=
R>=0A&gt;Thanks in advance,<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Scott Moonen (s=
moonen@us.ibm.com)<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Sc=
ott C Moonen/Raleigh/IBM<BR>=0A&gt;02/13/2007 02:30 PM<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt=
;To<BR>=0A&gt;ipsec@ietf.org<BR>=0A&gt;cc<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Subject<BR>=
=0A&gt;IKEv2 and OPAQUE protocol<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt=
;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Hi, I am reading RFCs 4301, 4306 and have a question=
 regarding<BR>=0A&gt;interpretation.&nbsp; RFC 4301 stipulates that SPD ent=
ries and SAs may cover<BR>=0A&gt;OPAQUE port values, in case of non-initial=
 packet fragments where the<BR>=0A&gt;ports are unknown.&nbsp; In the case =
of IPv6, it also stipulates support for<BR>=0A&gt;OPAQUE protocol values in=
 SPD entries and SAs, since the IPv6 protocol is<BR>=0A&gt;not known in non=
-initial fragments (and might not be known in the first<BR>=0A&gt;fragment)=
.&nbsp; I understand that IKEv2 specifies an OPAQUE port value using<BR>=0A=
&gt;the special port range [65535, 0].&nbsp; However, I cannot determine ho=
w IKEv2<BR>=0A&gt;specifies an OPAQUE protocol value, since protocol ranges=
 are not<BR>=0A&gt;supported.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;I found a few notes on t=
his list from November 2004 referencing this<BR>=0A&gt;problem, but without=
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R>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;The inability to specify an OPAQUE protocol value seems=
 to be a deficiency<BR>=0A&gt;in the IKEv2 specification relative to the re=
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in advance,<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.co=
m)<BR>=0A&gt;_______________________________________________<BR>=0A&gt;Ipse=
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Dipanjan,

That is true for IPv4 but not for IPv6.  The upper layer protocol is not 
contained in the IPv6 header but in the chain of extension headers.  In 
the absence of intervening extension headers, the upper layer protocol 
will be in every fragment's ip6f_nxt field.  But depending on the 
placement of extension headers, it is possible that the IPv6 protocol 
value will not be known in a non-initial fragment.  It is even possible 
that it will not be known in an initial fragment.

RFC 4301 addresses this by introducing support for OPAQUE IPv6 protocol. 
As far as I can see, RFC 4306 addresses support for OPAQUE transport 
selectors in IKEv2 but not for OPAQUE protocol.

I appreciate your taking time to respond,


Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)




"DIPANJAN  DATTA" <dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com> 
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Hi Scott,

I believe there is no need for "protocol" values to be OPAQUE. OPAQUE 
datatypes are assigned for those values which may not be available in a 
fragmented packet for SPD or SAD matching. Hence port values which appear 
in the TCP /UDP header may not be available in a fragment of the original 
TCP/UDP packet, if that fragment happens to be non-first.
But there are no such issues with protocol values because, this values are 
obtained from the IP header during SPD/SAD matching. Hence irrespective of 
fragmentation, the protocol value is always available. Also this value is 
always in clear text because the outer IP header in  a tunnel mode or the 
IP header in a transport mode, is not going to be encrpypted (with ESP).
Hence the protocol value cannot be OPAQUE. That is why there is no 
provision in IKEv2 for defining protocol to be OPAQUE.

Regards
Dipanjan Datta


On Tue, 01 May 2007 Scott C Moonen wrote :
>Hi, I never received a response to the attached message.  I suspect the
>answer is that IKEv2 simply does not accomodate OPAQUE IPv6 protocol
>values.  Is this correct?  If so, will this be addressed in a future
>amendment to RFC 4306?  And how are existing IKEv2 implementations
>approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol in combination with SAs?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)
>
>
>
>
>Scott C Moonen/Raleigh/IBM
>02/13/2007 02:30 PM
>
>To
>ipsec@ietf.org
>cc
>
>Subject
>IKEv2 and OPAQUE protocol
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi, I am reading RFCs 4301, 4306 and have a question regarding
>interpretation.  RFC 4301 stipulates that SPD entries and SAs may cover
>OPAQUE port values, in case of non-initial packet fragments where the
>ports are unknown.  In the case of IPv6, it also stipulates support for
>OPAQUE protocol values in SPD entries and SAs, since the IPv6 protocol is
>not known in non-initial fragments (and might not be known in the first
>fragment).  I understand that IKEv2 specifies an OPAQUE port value using
>the special port range [65535, 0].  However, I cannot determine how IKEv2
>specifies an OPAQUE protocol value, since protocol ranges are not
>supported.
>
>I found a few notes on this list from November 2004 referencing this
>problem, but without any resolution.  RFC 4718 doesn't reference this
>problem.
>
>The inability to specify an OPAQUE protocol value seems to be a 
deficiency
>in the IKEv2 specification relative to the requirements of RFC 4301.  Am 
I
>missing something?  If not, how are various IKEv2 implementations
>approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol values in combination with SAs?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)
>_______________________________________________
>Ipsec mailing list
>Ipsec@ietf.org
>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec



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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dipanjan,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">That is true for IPv4 but not for IPv6.
&nbsp;The upper layer protocol is not contained in the IPv6 header but
in the chain of extension headers. &nbsp;In the absence of intervening
extension headers, the upper layer protocol will be in every fragment's
ip6f_nxt field. &nbsp;But depending on the placement of extension headers,
it is possible that the IPv6 protocol value will not be known in a non-initial
fragment. &nbsp;It is even possible that it will not be known in an initial
fragment.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">RFC 4301 addresses this by introducing
support for OPAQUE IPv6 protocol. &nbsp;As far as I can see, RFC 4306 addresses
support for OPAQUE transport selectors in IKEv2 but not for OPAQUE protocol.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I appreciate your taking time to respond,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)<br>
</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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&lt;dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com&gt;</b> </font>
<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">05/02/2007 01:57 AM</font>
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&quot;DIPANJAN &nbsp;DATTA&quot; &lt;dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com&gt;</font></div></table>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Scott C Moonen/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">ipsec@ietf.org</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [Ipsec] Re: IKEv2 and OPAQUE protocol</font></table>
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<br><font size=3>Hi Scott,<br>
<br>
I believe there is no need for &quot;protocol&quot; values to be OPAQUE.
OPAQUE datatypes are assigned for those values which may not be available
in a fragmented packet for SPD or SAD matching. Hence port values which
appear in the TCP /UDP header may not be available in a fragment of the
original TCP/UDP packet, if that fragment happens to be non-first.<br>
But there are no such issues with protocol values because, this values
are obtained from the IP header during SPD/SAD matching. Hence irrespective
of fragmentation, the protocol value is always available. Also this value
is always in clear text because the outer IP header in &nbsp;a tunnel mode
or the IP header in a transport mode, is not going to be encrpypted (with
ESP).<br>
Hence the protocol value cannot be OPAQUE. That is why there is no provision
in IKEv2 for defining protocol to be OPAQUE.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Dipanjan Datta<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, 01 May 2007 Scott C Moonen wrote :<br>
&gt;Hi, I never received a response to the attached message. &nbsp;I suspect
the<br>
&gt;answer is that IKEv2 simply does not accomodate OPAQUE IPv6 protocol<br>
&gt;values. &nbsp;Is this correct? &nbsp;If so, will this be addressed
in a future<br>
&gt;amendment to RFC 4306? &nbsp;And how are existing IKEv2 implementations<br>
&gt;approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol in combination with SAs?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Thanks in advance,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Scott C Moonen/Raleigh/IBM<br>
&gt;02/13/2007 02:30 PM<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;To<br>
&gt;ipsec@ietf.org<br>
&gt;cc<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Subject<br>
&gt;IKEv2 and OPAQUE protocol<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Hi, I am reading RFCs 4301, 4306 and have a question regarding<br>
&gt;interpretation. &nbsp;RFC 4301 stipulates that SPD entries and SAs
may cover<br>
&gt;OPAQUE port values, in case of non-initial packet fragments where the<br>
&gt;ports are unknown. &nbsp;In the case of IPv6, it also stipulates support
for<br>
&gt;OPAQUE protocol values in SPD entries and SAs, since the IPv6 protocol
is<br>
&gt;not known in non-initial fragments (and might not be known in the first<br>
&gt;fragment). &nbsp;I understand that IKEv2 specifies an OPAQUE port value
using<br>
&gt;the special port range [65535, 0]. &nbsp;However, I cannot determine
how IKEv2<br>
&gt;specifies an OPAQUE protocol value, since protocol ranges are not<br>
&gt;supported.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;I found a few notes on this list from November 2004 referencing this<br>
&gt;problem, but without any resolution. &nbsp;RFC 4718 doesn't reference
this<br>
&gt;problem.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;The inability to specify an OPAQUE protocol value seems to be a deficiency<br>
&gt;in the IKEv2 specification relative to the requirements of RFC 4301.
&nbsp;Am I<br>
&gt;missing something? &nbsp;If not, how are various IKEv2 implementations<br>
&gt;approaching the use of OPAQUE protocol values in combination with SAs?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Thanks in advance,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)<br>
&gt;_______________________________________________<br>
&gt;Ipsec mailing list<br>
&gt;Ipsec@ietf.org<br>
&gt;https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec</font>
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Hello,
I am new to the list, so please forgive me if I should direct it to
another group.

Running Linux 2.6.19 on both client and host machines.

I can accomplish IPsec using the manual method, but now want to take
advantage of IKE.

I see that there are 2 daemons out there to use, Racoon and Pluto.

Which one does the group recommend?

Thanks,
Phil Bellino

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hello,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I am new to the list, so please =
forgive me if I should direct it to another group.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Running Linux 2.6.19 on both client and =
host machines.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I can accomplish IPsec using the manual =
method, but now want to take advantage of IKE.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I see that there are 2 daemons out =
there to use, Racoon and Pluto.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Which one does the group =
recommend?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Phil Bellino</FONT>
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</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Phil Bellino</FONT><FONT =
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</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">MRV Communications, =
Inc.</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Boston Product =
Division</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">295 Foster =
St.</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
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01460</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
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On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:52:45AM -0400, Philip Bellino wrote:
> Hello,

Hi.


> I am new to the list, so please forgive me if I should direct it to
> another group.
>=20
> Running Linux 2.6.19 on both client and host machines.
>=20
> I can accomplish IPsec using the manual method, but now want to take
> advantage of IKE.
>=20
> I see that there are 2 daemons out there to use, Racoon and Pluto.

Linux 2.6;x kernels use by default the "new" Linux IPSec stack, which
is designed to work with racoon.

Pluto is the IKE daemon designed to work with *SWAN stack, which was
the IPSec stack for older kernels, and which is still available for
new kernels.

> Which one does the group recommend?

Well, I'll recommand you to use racoon, but I'm one of the
developpers, so I am probably partial :-)

Start by checking if both daemons have all the features you want.



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Subject: Re: [Ipsec] Racoon or Pluto
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Hi,

> Linux 2.6;x kernels use by default the "new" Linux IPSec stack, which
> is designed to work with racoon.
> 
> Pluto is the IKE daemon designed to work with *SWAN stack, which was
> the IPSec stack for older kernels, and which is still available for
> new kernels.
Pluto was designed for the KLIPS (*SWAN) stack, but newer versions also
work on the native linux IPsec stack (netkey) using the XFRM interface.

> 
> > Which one does the group recommend?
> 
> Well, I'll recommand you to use racoon, but I'm one of the
> developpers, so I am probably partial :-)
I would recommend strongSwan, but I'm a dev of that project ;-).

strongSwan uses Pluto for IKEv1 key exchanges and a newer daemon called
Charon for IKEv2 exchanges. We are using linux' native IPsec stack only
(no kernel patching anymore).

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Hi,

Racoon has been good for IKE.
However if you are looking for IKEv2 clients, i would say it is OpenIKEv2, this supports EAP, Configurations, Cookies. Complete C++ based.
http://openikev2.sourceforge.net/

Regards,
Venkyee


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Subject: [Ipsec] Racoon or Pluto

Racoon or Pluto


 
 




Hello,


I am new to the list, so please forgive me if I should direct it to another group.



Running Linux 2.6.19 on both client and host machines.



I can accomplish IPsec using the manual method, but now want to take advantage of IKE.



I see that there are 2 daemons out there to use, Racoon and Pluto.



Which one does the group recommend?



Thanks,


Phil Bellino



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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello,</font>

<br><font face="Arial" size="2">I am new to the list, so please forgive me if I should direct it to another group.</font>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Running Linux 2.6.19 on both client and host machines.</font>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I can accomplish IPsec using the manual method, but now want to take advantage of IKE.</font>
</p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I see that there are 2 daemons out there to use, Racoon and Pluto.</font>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Which one does the group recommend?</font>
</p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks,</font>

<br><font face="Arial" size="2">Phil Bellino</font>
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</font><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">Phil Bellino</font><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
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</font><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">Tel: (978)952-4807</font><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font><font face="Times New Roman" size="2">Email: pbellino@mrv.com</font><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
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Let host A initiate the following IKEv2 exchange (either an
IKE_SA_INIT or CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange) with host Z.  For this
example, only the SA and KE payloads are relevant.



     host A                          host Z

              ---------------->
              IKEv2 Request containing
              SA payload with two proposals
                    proposal 1: ... D-H =3D 1 ...
                    proposal 2: ... D-H =3D 2 ...
              KE payload with DH keyhalf using D-H =3D 1
                              (because proposal 1
                              is host A's preferred proposal)




             <----------------
             IKEv2 Response containing
             INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD notification specifying D-H =3D 5



How shall host A interpret the response?

Interpretation 1: Host Z did not indicate a D-H group among the
                  proposals submitted.  Thus host A has
                  no hope that retransmitting with another
                  KE payload will bring success, therefore
                  exchange has failed.

Interpretation 2: Host Z has by naming a new D-H group
                  indicated, that host A should come up with
                  a stronger set of proposals.  This could
                  be useful, if the number of proposals
                  is huge such that host A sort of
                  sematically fragment the total set
                  of proposals in order to keep packet size
                  low.

Is there a right answer? Are both valid?  Are both useful?

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Hi,

> Interpretation 1: Host Z did not indicate a D-H group among the
>                   proposals submitted.  Thus host A has
>                   no hope that retransmitting with another
>                   KE payload will bring success, therefore
>                   exchange has failed.

I think host Z should not respond with INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD, but with
NO_PROPOSAL_CHOSEN. INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD may only choose another group
included in the proposal (1 or 2).
But if Z does so, the negotiation fails.

> Interpretation 2: Host Z has by naming a new D-H group
>                   indicated, that host A should come up with
>                   a stronger set of proposals.  This could
>                   be useful, if the number of proposals
>                   is huge such that host A sort of
>                   sematically fragment the total set
>                   of proposals in order to keep packet size
>                   low.

A host Z should not return a INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD if it doesn't like the
proposals, it sends NO_PROPOSAL_CHOSEN. So this "give-me-more-proposals-
to-select-from" approach is not interoperable.

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Hello,

As per RFC 718, section 2.4 its clear that IKE_SA_INIT may be retried upon INVALID_KE_PAYLOD.

2.4.  Interaction of COOKIE and INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD

   There are two common reasons why the initiator may have to retry the
   IKE_SA_INIT exchange: the responder requests a cookie or wants a
   different Diffie-Hellman group than was included in the KEi payload.
   Both of these cases are quite simple alone, but it is not totally
   obvious what happens when they occur at the same time, that is, the
   IKE_SA_INIT exchange is retried several times.
The following should be absolutely possible and IKE_SA_INIT can be successful. 
      Initiator                   Responder
     -----------                 -----------
      HDR(A,0), SAi1, KEi, Ni -->
                              <-- HDR(A,0),
                                            N(INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD)
      HDR(A,0), SAi1, KEi',Ni -->
                              <-- HDR(A,B), SAr1, KEr, NrYour Interpretation 2 should be feasible.

Regards,
_Venkyee


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Subject: [Ipsec] Is this a good use of the INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD notification?

Let host A initiate the following IKEv2 exchange (either an
IKE_SA_INIT or CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange) with host Z.  For this
example, only the SA and KE payloads are relevant.



     host A                          host Z

              ---------------->
              IKEv2 Request containing
              SA payload with two proposals
                    proposal 1: ... D-H = 1 ...
                    proposal 2: ... D-H = 2 ...
              KE payload with DH keyhalf using D-H = 1
                              (because proposal 1
                              is host A's preferred proposal)




             <----------------
             IKEv2 Response containing
             INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD notification specifying D-H = 5



How shall host A interpret the response?

Interpretation 1: Host Z did not indicate a D-H group among the
                  proposals submitted.  Thus host A has
                  no hope that retransmitting with another
                  KE payload will bring success, therefore
                  exchange has failed.

Interpretation 2: Host Z has by naming a new D-H group
                  indicated, that host A should come up with
                  a stronger set of proposals.  This could
                  be useful, if the number of proposals
                  is huge such that host A sort of
                  sematically fragment the total set
                  of proposals in order to keep packet size
                  low.

Is there a right answer? Are both valid?  Are both useful?

Christian

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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hello,<br><br>As per RFC 718, section 2.4 its clear that IKE_SA_INIT may be retried upon INVALID_KE_PAYLOD.<br><br><pre><tt><tt><font face="arial,verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><b>2.4.  Interaction of COOKIE and INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD</b></font><br><br>   There are two common reasons why the initiator may have to retry the<br>   IKE_SA_INIT exchange: the responder requests a cookie or wants a<br>   different Diffie-Hellman group than was included in the KEi payload.<br>   Both of these cases are quite simple alone, but it is not totally<br>   obvious what happens when they occur at the same time, that is, the<br>   IKE_SA_INIT exchange is retried several times.</tt></tt></pre><br>The following should be absolutely possible and IKE_SA_INIT can be successful.
 <br><pre><tt><tt>      Initiator                   Responder<br>     -----------                 -----------<br>      HDR(A,0), SAi1, KEi, Ni --&gt;<br>                              &lt;-- HDR(A,0),<br>                                            N(INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD)<br>      HDR(A,0), SAi1, KEi',Ni --&gt;<br>                              &lt;-- HDR(A,B), SAr1, KEr, Nr</tt></tt></pre>Your Interpretation 2 should be feasible.<br><br>Regards,<br>_Venkyee<br><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Christian Kaas-Petersen (AH/LMD) &lt;christian.kaas-petersen@ericsson.com&gt;<br>To: ipsec@ietf.org<br>Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2007 4:58:44 PM<br>Subject: [Ipsec] Is this a good use of the INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD notification?<br><br><div>Let host A initiate the following IKEv2 exchange (either an<br>IKE_SA_INIT or CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange) with host Z.&nbsp;&nbsp;For this<br>example, only the SA and KE
 payloads are relevant.<br><br><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; host A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;host Z<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;----------------&gt;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IKEv2 Request containing<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;SA payload with two proposals<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;proposal 1: ... D-H = 1 ...<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;proposal 2: ... D-H = 2 ...<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;KE payload with DH
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 the<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;proposals submitted.&nbsp;&nbsp;Thus host A has<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;no hope that retransmitting with another<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;KE payload will bring success, therefore<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;exchange has failed.<br><br>Interpretation 2: Host Z has by naming a new D-H group<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;indicated, that host A should come up with<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;a stronger set of proposals.&nbsp;&nbsp;This
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Originally KEi was sent; in the retry KEi' is sent.  But in
both cases SAi1 is used (not SAi1 and SAi1').  Thus it is not
obvious INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD can be used to signal a change in
SAi1.  Therefore I think the example referred is not fully
illustrative of what is allowed.

Please also comment on: is it a relevant feature to be
able to break up large SA-payloads in smaller chunks in
order to keep packet size low.

Christian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: venkyee s [mailto:venkyee_s@yahoo.com]=20
> Sent: 3. maj 2007 11:35
> To: Christian Kaas-Petersen (AH/LMD); ipsec@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ipsec] Is this a good use of the=20
> INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD notification?
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> As per RFC 718, section 2.4 its clear that IKE_SA_INIT may be=20
> retried upon INVALID_KE_PAYLOD.
>=20
>=20
> 2.4.  Interaction of COOKIE and INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD
>=20
>    There are two common reasons why the initiator may have to=20
> retry the
>    IKE_SA_INIT exchange: the responder requests a cookie or wants a
>    different Diffie-Hellman group than was included in the=20
> KEi payload.
>    Both of these cases are quite simple alone, but it is not totally
>    obvious what happens when they occur at the same time, that is, the
>    IKE_SA_INIT exchange is retried several times.
>=20
> The following should be absolutely possible and IKE_SA_INIT=20
> can be successful.=20
>=20
>       Initiator                   Responder
>      -----------                 -----------
>       HDR(A,0), SAi1, KEi, Ni -->
>                               <-- HDR(A,0),
>                                             N(INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD)
>       HDR(A,0), SAi1, KEi',Ni -->
>                               <-- HDR(A,B), SAr1, KEr, Nr
> Your Interpretation 2 should be feasible.
>=20
> Regards,
> _Venkyee
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>=20
> ----- Original Message ----
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> Subject: [Ipsec] Is this a good use of the INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD=20
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> Let host A initiate the following IKEv2 exchange (either an
> IKE_SA_INIT or CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange) with host Z.  For this
> example, only the SA and KE payloads are relevant.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>      host A                          host Z
>=20
>               ---------------->
>               IKEv2 Request containing
>               SA payload with two proposals
>                     proposal 1: ... D-H =3D 1 ...
>                     proposal 2: ... D-H =3D 2 ...
>               KE payload with DH keyhalf using D-H =3D 1
>                               (because proposal 1
>                               is host A's preferred proposal)
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>              <----------------
>              IKEv2 Response containing
>              INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD notification specifying D-H =3D 5
>=20
>=20
>=20
> How shall host A interpret the response?
>=20
> Interpretation 1: Host Z did not indicate a D-H group among the
>                   proposals submitted.  Thus host A has
>                   no hope that retransmitting with another
>                   KE payload will bring success, therefore
>                   exchange has failed.
>=20
> Interpretation 2: Host Z has by naming a new D-H group
>                   indicated, that host A should come up with
>                   a stronger set of proposals.  This could
>                   be useful, if the number of proposals
>                   is huge such that host A sort of
>                   sematically fragment the total set
>                   of proposals in order to keep packet size
>                   low.
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> Is there a right answer? Are both valid?  Are both useful?
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Christian Kaas-Petersen wrote:
>
> Originally KEi was sent; in the retry KEi' is sent.  But in
> both cases SAi1 is used (not SAi1 and SAi1').  Thus it is not
> obvious INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD can be used to signal a change in
> SAi1.  Therefore I think the example referred is not fully
> illustrative of what is allowed.

I agree with what Martin Willi already said: if the responder=20
doesn't accept any of the initiator's proposals, it should reply=20
with NO_PROPOSAL_CHOSEN, not INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD.

> Please also comment on: is it a relevant feature to be able to=20
> break up large SA-payloads in smaller chunks in order to keep=20
> packet size low.

No. This messes up the semantics of the negotiation and could lead to
downgrade attacks. The initiator should propose what it finds
acceptable; and "what it finds acceptable" should be changed only
manually by the administrator (and certainly *not* based on any
unauthenticated payloads sent by the responder).

Best regards,
Pasi

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         RFC 4868

         Title:      Using HMAC-SHA-256, HMAC-SHA-384, and HMAC-SHA-512
                     with IPsec
         Author:     S. Kelly, S. Frankel
         Status:     Standards Track
         Date:       May 2007
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         Pages:      21
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         Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

         I-D Tag:    draft-kelly-ipsec-ciph-sha2-01.txt

         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4868.txt

This specification describes the use of Hashed Message Authentication
Mode (HMAC) in conjunction with the SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512
algorithms in IPsec.  These algorithms may be used as the basis for
data origin authentication and integrity verification mechanisms for
the Authentication Header (AH), Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP),
Internet Key Exchange Protocol (IKE), and IKEv2 protocols, and also
as Pseudo-Random Functions (PRFs) for IKE and IKEv2.  Truncated
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         RFC 4868

         Title:      Using HMAC-SHA-256, HMAC-SHA-384, and HMAC-SHA-512
                     with IPsec
         Author:     S. Kelly, S. Frankel
         Status:     Standards Track
         Date:       May 2007
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         Pages:      21
         Characters: 41432
         Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

         I-D Tag:    draft-kelly-ipsec-ciph-sha2-01.txt

         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4868.txt

This specification describes the use of Hashed Message Authentication
Mode (HMAC) in conjunction with the SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512
algorithms in IPsec.  These algorithms may be used as the basis for
data origin authentication and integrity verification mechanisms for
the Authentication Header (AH), Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP),
Internet Key Exchange Protocol (IKE), and IKEv2 protocols, and also
as Pseudo-Random Functions (PRFs) for IKE and IKEv2.  Truncated
output lengths are specified for the authentication-related variants,
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truncated, and are called PRF-HMAC-SHA-256, PRF-HMAC-SHA-384, and
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         RFC 4869

         Title:      Suite B Cryptographic Suites for
                     IPsec
         Author:     L. Law, J. Solinas
         Status:     Informational
         Date:       May 2007
         Mailbox:    lelaw@orion.ncsc.mil,
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         Pages:      9
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         I-D Tag:    draft-solinas-ui-suites-01.txt

         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4869.txt

This document proposes four optional cryptographic user interface
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         RFC 4869

         Title:      Suite B Cryptographic Suites for
                     IPsec
         Author:     L. Law, J. Solinas
         Status:     Informational
         Date:       May 2007
         Mailbox:    lelaw@orion.ncsc.mil,
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         Pages:      9
         Characters: 17043
         Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

         I-D Tag:    draft-solinas-ui-suites-01.txt

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This document proposes four optional cryptographic user interface
suites ("UI suites") for IPsec, similar to the two suites specified
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United States National Security Agency's Suite B specifications.  This
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You like the characters, which I found to be well developed
(surprising). I think I even have some 45c stamps kicking around (6
cents off target).
This movie focuses on an arranged wedding, and life in general in India.
I know I'll take flack for it - but I liked it. Definitely worth a look
if you make a lot of ppt files and may want to make them more globally
accessible.
Great for getting that document to someone without physically delivering
it. I didn't see any discernible difference between these and the
non-permanent type.
One "host" system can be controlled through web interfaces from various
other machines (Windows, Mac, XBox 360, PSP, Razer (all cells? 51 up
front to be used in 12 months. Now here's where it get's clever - you
can signup on various scoreboards on the site and compete against other
users! Definitely worth a look if you make a lot of ppt files and may
want to make them more globally accessible.
FitOff allows you to track your daily exercise, awarding Fitness and
Activity points based on how long and what you did. Hopefully we'll see
something concrete about it in the not to distant future. Don't expect
anything but fun from this movie - sit down and enjoy.
Here comes Calvin Harris out of nowhere - well he probably didn't come
from no where, but he's suddenly appeared with this song, several
remixes, and even a mini-mix on Annie Mac's show.
I inquired with the Post office worker. I think I even have some 45c
stamps kicking around (6 cents off target). After 8 years this puppy's
paid for itself, plus you have the satisfaction of not paying your local
power company.
This movie has a fair bit of believable mathematics (nothing you'll have
to learn), but is pretty much about human relationships, especially
dealing with death, illness and perhaps brilliance. A fitness point
roughly translates into a calorie, while an activity point allows you to
compare your exercise to anyone else on the site.
I inquired with the Post office worker. That's the difference. Arm Whois
- (Alien IP, Zip Pointer).




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Hi Charlie,

I am interested in the 'ticket'. And also the PFS property is important in your option 2. But I am a little puzzled about 'window'. How the window works? What size of window we have to preserve?  if 'window' is used for resume session, attackers maybe also use it. 




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ne his went estate there is amistook Elizabeth, feeling it tin incumbent =
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From: "Julietta" <ardeenwuc@rendo.nl>
To: "Korey" <ipseckey-archive@lists.ietf.org>
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	"Lynell Garcia" <idmr-archive@lists.ietf.org>,
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Subject: Only we can help u out
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:50:48 +0700
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Hello,
I am trying to run racoon on a Linux 2.6.19 host.
Every "plog" that gets written (whether in the foreground or syslog)
causes a segmentation fault.
>From gdb, I get the following:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libipsec.so.0...done.
Loaded symbols for /home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libipsec.so.0
Reading symbols from
/home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7...done.
Loaded symbols for /home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7
Reading symbols from
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libresolv.so.0...done.
Loaded symbols for
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libresolv.so.0
Reading symbols from
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libgcc_s.so.1...done.
Loaded symbols for
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
Reading symbols from
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libc.so.0...done.
Loaded symbols for
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libc.so.0
Reading symbols from
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libdl.so.0...done.
Loaded symbols for
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libdl.so.0
Reading symbols from
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0...done.
Loaded symbols for
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0
#0  memcmp (s1=3D0x494e464f, s2=3D0xffffffff, len=3D6) at memcmp.c:146
146           if (a1 !=3D b1)
(gdb) bt
#0  memcmp (s1=3D0x494e464f, s2=3D0xffffffff, len=3D6) at memcmp.c:146
#1  0x301df7ac in __fread_unlocked (ptr=3D0x1008a440, size=3D2140247056,
nmemb=3D269001799,
    stream=3D0x7f919400) at fread.c:39
#2  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
#3  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
#4  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
#5  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
#6  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
#7  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
#8  0x301db02c in ungetc (c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at =
ungetc.c:45
Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
(gdb)

It looks like the memcmp above is comparing "0x494e464f" "INFO".  Is the
plog writing into incorrect memory space?

Has anyone seen an issue such as this.

Thanks,
Phil Bellino

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hello,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I am trying to run racoon on a Linux =
2.6.19 host.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Every &quot;plog&quot; that gets =
written (whether in the foreground or syslog) causes a segmentation =
fault.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From gdb, I get the following:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Program terminated with signal 11, =
Segmentation fault.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libipsec.so.0...done.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libipsec.so.0</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7...done.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/home/trunk/Asp0-1/apps/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libresolv.so.0...done.</=
FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libresolv.so.0</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libgcc_s.so.1...done.</F=
ONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libgcc_s.so.1</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libc.so.0...done.</FONT>=


<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libc.so.0</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libdl.so.0...done.</FONT=
>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/libdl.so.0</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reading symbols from =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0...done.</=
FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Loaded symbols for =
/opt/asp/buildroot/build_powerpc/staging_dir/lib/ld-uClibc.so.0</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#0&nbsp; memcmp (s1=3D0x494e464f, =
s2=3D0xffffffff, len=3D6) at memcmp.c:146</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">146&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; if (a1 !=3D b1)</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(gdb) bt</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#0&nbsp; memcmp (s1=3D0x494e464f, =
s2=3D0xffffffff, len=3D6) at memcmp.c:146</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#1&nbsp; 0x301df7ac in =
__fread_unlocked (ptr=3D0x1008a440, size=3D2140247056, =
nmemb=3D269001799,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
stream=3D0x7f919400) at fread.c:39</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#2&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#3&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#4&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#5&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#6&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#7&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">#8&nbsp; 0x301db02c in ungetc =
(c=3D269001792, stream=3D0x7f91966c) at ungetc.c:45</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Previous frame inner to this frame =
(corrupt stack?)</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(gdb)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">It looks like the memcmp above is =
comparing &quot;0x494e464f&quot; &quot;INFO&quot;.&nbsp; Is the plog =
writing into incorrect memory space?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Has anyone seen an issue such as =
this.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Phil Bellino</FONT>
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Hello,
Running ipsec-tools-0.6.7 on a Linux client and host.
I use Racoon with pre-shared keys and Security Policies with ESP/AHs
configured for IPv4 and IPv6.

There is no problem with IPv4.

I see a chicken and the egg problem with IPv6.

An ICMPv6 Neighbor Solicitation goes from Host A to Host B.  This is
o.k. because it is not subject to IPsec.
The ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery from Host B is not o.k. because since
there exists a SP that requires ESP/AH, it triggers an SA negotiation.
So, it looks like a loop is created and the result is that it does not
work.

I have tried adding in:
spdadd ::/0 ::/0 icmp6 -P out none;
spdadd ::/0 ::/0 icmp6 -P in none;

And although the icmps are now not subject to IPsec, I still get the
"phase1 negotiation" failure  in Racoon.

The only way (besides not using Racoon and manually adding keyed SA's)
is the following:
1.  Stop the Racoon daemons flush/spdflush all the SAs and SPDs
2.  Issue a ping6.
3.  Re-issue the SPDs.
4.  Start Racoon.

Does anyone know of a permanent solution to this issue?

Thanks,
Phil Bellino

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hello,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Running ipsec-tools-0.6.7 on a Linux =
client and host.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I use Racoon with pre-shared keys and =
Security Policies with ESP/AHs configured for IPv4 and IPv6.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">There is no problem with IPv4.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I see a chicken and the egg problem =
with IPv6.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">An ICMPv6 Neighbor Solicitation goes =
from Host A to Host B.&nbsp; This is o.k. because it is not subject to =
IPsec.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery from =
Host B is not o.k. because since there exists a SP that requires ESP/AH, =
it triggers an SA negotiation.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">So, it looks like a loop is created and =
the result is that it does not work.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I have tried adding in:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">spdadd ::/0 ::/0 icmp6 -P out =
none;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">spdadd ::/0 ::/0 icmp6 -P in =
none;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">And although the icmps are now not =
subject to IPsec, I still get the &quot;phase1 negotiation&quot; =
failure&nbsp; in Racoon.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The only way (besides not using Racoon =
and manually adding keyed SA's) is the following:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">1.&nbsp; Stop the Racoon daemons =
flush/spdflush all the SAs and SPDs</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">2.&nbsp; Issue a ping6.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">3.&nbsp; Re-issue the SPDs.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">4.&nbsp; Start Racoon.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Does anyone know of a permanent =
solution to this issue?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Phil Bellino</FONT>
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</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">MRV Communications, =
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</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">295 Foster =
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</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Littleton,MA =
01460</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Tel: =
(978)952-4807</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Email: =
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Philip,

> Running ipsec-tools-0.6.7 on a Linux client and host.
> I use Racoon with pre-shared keys and Security Policies with ESP/AHs
> configured for IPv4 and IPv6.
>
> There is no problem with IPv4.
>
> I see a chicken and the egg problem with IPv6.
>
> An ICMPv6 Neighbor Solicitation goes from Host A to Host B.  This is
> o.k. because it is not subject to IPsec.
> The ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery from Host B is not o.k. because since
> there exists a SP that requires ESP/AH, it triggers an SA negotiation.
>

I wrote a draft about this many, many years ago:

http://www.arkko.com/publications/draft-arkko-icmpv6-ike-effects-01.txt
http://www.arkko.com/publications/draft-arkko-manual-icmpv6-sas-01.txt

Basically, you need to set up specific policies to avoid running IPv6 ND
under IKE-negotiated SAs. An implementation that I had in the 1990s
did this automatically. Some other implementations that I know have
this hardcoded, too. Not sure what Racoon does, maybe you need to
specify policies manually.

The problems that we run into were also a reason for creating
SEND (RFC 3971) which is a non-IPsec based security mechanism
for ND.

Jari


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Subject: Re: [Ipsec] IPv6 with Ipsec and Racoon issue
From: Joy Latten <latten@austin.ibm.com>
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On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 16:02 -0400, Philip Bellino wrote:
> Hello, 
> Running ipsec-tools-0.6.7 on a Linux client and host. 
> I use Racoon with pre-shared keys and Security Policies with ESP/AHs
> configured for IPv4 and IPv6.
> 
> There is no problem with IPv4.
> 
> I see a chicken and the egg problem with IPv6.
> 
> An ICMPv6 Neighbor Solicitation goes from Host A to Host B.  This is
> o.k. because it is not subject to IPsec. 
> The ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery from Host B is not o.k. because since
> there exists a SP that requires ESP/AH, it triggers an SA negotiation.
> 
> So, it looks like a loop is created and the result is that it does not
> work.

Yes, I recall having this same problem.
I suggest you try posting to the ipsec-tools mailing list too.

> 
> I have tried adding in: 
> spdadd ::/0 ::/0 icmp6 -P out none; 
> spdadd ::/0 ::/0 icmp6 -P in none;

I tried this too without much success.
I am not sure why the above statement doesn't work, though, because
conceptually it should have.

Because I only wanted tcp and udp packets to have ipsec applied,
I found success by specifying policy for each upper layer protocol
rather than using keyword "any" for any protocol.
An example of my ipv6 ipsec policy,

spdadd -6 XX XX tcp
-P out ipsec
esp/transport//require;

spdadd -6 XX XX tcp
-P in ipsec
esp/transport//require;

spdadd -6 XX XX udp
-P out ipsec
esp/transport//require;

spdadd -6 XX XX udp
-P in ipsec
esp/transport//require;

Regards, 
Joy Latten

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The accusation is more about propaganda than anything else. You have to
understand, my mother tongue is Arabic," says Yakov. The interior
minister said the blast was an "act of sabotage" against the Algerian
democratic system. Western countries persuaded Bosnia to stand at the
last minute and then threw their weight behind its candidacy. IN DEPTH
Inside Iran - special report TOP HAVE YOUR SAY STORIES Is Lebanon
returning to civil war?
Modesty cannot be imposed by force Of course, it is desirable to wear
clothing that does not conflict with social values and ethics. The
people that you knew as good people turned into bad people for you and
you became bad for them.
For many hours they attacked and withdrew only after liquidating eight
Palestinian security men.
The main political group linked to the Berber-speaking areas in the
north-east boycotted the polls.
I think men and women should dress as they like as long as it fits the
occasion. They only make matters worse.
Among his most cherished memories, says Yakov, is the after-school
stroll along the riverbank with his Arab friend. People do not like
their government and this is a fact. MUHAMMAD BARAKAT IN EGYPT'S
AL-AKHBAR  Those fratricidal brothers are engaged in a bloody,
aggressive, cowardly, unjustifiable conflict.
You have to understand, my mother tongue is Arabic," says Yakov. These
stores are still mostly owned by the descendants of the Iraqi and
Kurdish Jewish immigrants.
"After the Sabbath, we would wander off to the fields and have a feast
with fish cooked on the spit, Iraqi pita and arak.
Israel argues that travel restrictions, which take the form of
roadblocks, wire fencing and concrete walls, prevent suicide bombers
from attacking its cities.
ABD-AL-BARI ATWAN IN PAN-ARAB AL-QUDS AL-ARABI  The clashes are a
shameful disgrace by any measure. "We have no interest whatsoever in
seeing a failed Palestinian economy," said government spokesman Mark
Regev. HOUSHANG AMIRAHMADI, Rutgers University, New Jersey, US Professor
Houshang Amirahmadi Nobody likes his national identity to be identified
with terrorism.
Referring to kick-off time at Wembley, he joked: "I'm under strict
instructions to wind everything up before the Cup final begins.
"I think it's a battle between two strategic visions, and you have two
domestic camps within Lebanon which adhere to one or the other and
that's the real problem.
Washington recently put forward proposals to lift roadblocks in the West
Bank and improve access to Gaza but these met with a muted response from
both sides. But only some aid deliveries have been allowed through after
intense searches.
So if the government tries to impose modest dress they will rebel
against it and wear even more outlandish clothes.
MUHAMMAD BARAKAT IN EGYPT'S AL-AKHBAR  Those fratricidal brothers are
engaged in a bloody, aggressive, cowardly, unjustifiable conflict.
Security was tight on polling day, following a series of bomb attacks.
She referred to art as "the language of peoples who need to know each
other and understand each other".
Tehran says American and other coalition forces should be withdrawn from
Iraq. Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and
irrelevant in many parts of the country. They seem to be as far apart as
ever.
US officials were also pleasantly surprised by the speech given by Mr
Muallem at the conference.
It called for a "fundamental" review of access within the West Bank and
Gaza to boost livelihoods and spur investment. He says there are huge
differences in how both countries view the crisis in Iraq. "We've been
very transparent with what we do, when we give money we talk about it,
when we give military equipment we hold a ceremony, none of this is
under-the-hand cash transfer," said Ms Wurr. As one senior US official
told me, that puts Syria slightly to the right of the Democratic Party.
One commentator urges Israeli troops to enter the Gaza Strip, while
another says that persistent targeted air strikes on Hamas targets will
be effective if Israel does not waver.
This is a stronghold of Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Shia guerrilla
movement and political party which looks to Iran and its supreme leader
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for spiritual guidance and more. The people that
you knew as good people turned into bad people for you and you became
bad for them. You can see this silent rebellion even in traditional
cities like Qom. EDITORIAL IN HA'ARETZ The prime minister and defence
minister are arguing with each other over whether the rocket-stricken
city should be evacuated and what "impression" this would give to Hamas.
"We cannot predict what will happen," explains Jafar. "Most of us still
feel connected to the country where we or our ancestors came from. "Most
of us still feel connected to the country where we or our ancestors came
from. The BBC's Richard Hamilton in Algiers says with low turnout and
allegations of irregularities, it is hard to see how the authorities are
calling this a success.
Can power-sharing continue in Gaza? The condition is: persistence,
continuity. Egypt, Angola and Qatar won seats despite opposition from
human rights groups. These stores are still mostly owned by the
descendants of the Iraqi and Kurdish Jewish immigrants.
The accusation is more about propaganda than anything else. All our
fondest love, my son," said his father, in a message broadcast from
Scotland.
The problems caused by dwindling supplies of food and medicine were
further exacerbated by the failure of the city's power grid and main
water supply, which were both damaged by the bombing. "We have no
interest whatsoever in seeing a failed Palestinian economy," said
government spokesman Mark Regev. The governor of Salahuddin Province
said he would do what he could to end the crisis as soon as possible.




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AUTO OR MOBILE HOME Essentially any asset that is recorded in public 
records can he held in the name of a nominee-type trust.
A logical  person knows that time, money and effort can solve virtually
any  real estate problem. In addition,  ask the mailman - they know all
of the empty houses on the block.
No, they are not dependable, they require understanding, patience  and a
certain masochism on the part of the owner.
Currently,  the real estate market in some parts of the country is hot,
hot,  hot! Most neighbors are helpful, as they know  "ugly" houses hurt
their own property values.
Look first at the frame and body mounts. The national coffers were just
about empty  and England needed a thriving export trade in order to
bring in  cash.
I see and hear too many golfers complaining  of tight lower backs or
shoulders during the round.
Don't wait 'til you get tight to stretch on the course.
This combination will warrant the  best use of your energy for the long
haul. Like any business, customers are what drive  it.
"Buying your first classic or collector  car? Lift up and down gently
and see if there are hinge problems.
And remember,  that's before you even come to the course. Unfortunately,
 the company does not measure the relevant in-gear statistics.
They were soon followed by Triumph, Austin Healy  and to a lesser extent
Lotus, Healy and Daimler, but it was M.
In the next column Ill address  some of the problems encountered during
the restoration of these  cars, and how you can avoid them.
Snack while you play. You should try the same technique.
The easy ones like the M.
With  a British Sports Car it will be inevitable unless you learn how 
to avoid it. I have seen many cars where nothing fits properly  because
the correct steps were not taken to preserve the car's  dimensions while
it was being prepared.
Many who start out in real estate  investing quit without ever buying
their first property. The goal for you at first is to learn about the
area, the style  of houses and the average prices.
Holding your car or mobile title  in the name of a trust with a post
office box or business address  will help protect your privacy. The
Federal Reserve  recently issued a warning, a copy of which can be found
at the  end of this article.
It actually resembles the surface texture of  an orange, and if it is
really bad, it ruins the appearance of  the car.
They are sometimes  fun to restore and sometimes so challenging that
most people just  shut off the light and swing the door closed.
An example for breakfast would be a bowl of oatmeal and a  couple of
eggs with a piece of fruit or a juice.
Online services, such as www. MORTGAGE OR DEED OF TRUST One of the most
practical uses of a trust is  for holding a mortgage or deed of trust.
You should feel happiest  about the bottom if what you are looking at is
old, even worn  factory under paint and frame paint with perhaps some
surface  rust. The plus side is that body parts are usually quite
reasonable  and considering that these are the parts you will find you
need  the most of, that is a good thing. Always remember that there are
lots of other cars out there. In most  cases a seller is not about to
offer up a list of things that  are wrong with the car unless he is
trying to cover up a large  flaw by admitting to a few small ones. After
viewing a couple of dozen open houses  in the neighborhood, you will get
to know the value of the properties  and the different styles of houses.
Unfortunately the back of the car  was on a totally different angle to
the front of the car and the  wheels were flush with the wheel wells on
one side while buried  deep within on the other. If style floats your
boat, the new  Jaguar XJ is a safer harbor. On most frames, some rust,
especially surface  rust, is the norm, but you should, using a
screwdriver or similar  tool, just tap suspicious areas on the frame
with the point.
I see and hear too many golfers complaining  of tight lower backs or
shoulders during the round. To earn money, I set  pins and caddied.
Checking the paint and body work, aside from a few tips, is common 
sense.
"Personal  Property Trusts. MORTGAGE OR DEED OF TRUST One of the most
practical uses of a trust is  for holding a mortgage or deed of trust.
Paint will often hide temporarily  rust which has just been painted
over.
Patches  of colour which are a little different may indicate blow ins, 
which are localized repairs in which the entire car is not painted  but
just damaged areas.
series cars are  very satisfying and are simple enough for even
dedicated but reasonably  inexperienced amateurs to bring up to
incredible standards.
I've read the decisions and they all have a common  theme: they don't
support the mortgage elimination theory.
They either don't eat at all before they leave home  or they eat
something that is not going to give them the long-term  energy they're
hoping for. This knowledge will enable you to make quick  decisions
about whether a particular prospect is a bargain. I recently read an
article in a British car magazine  heralding the restoration of an early
steel bumpered Triumph Spitfire  of which they reckoned only three
existed in England. If it isn't there or disappears under bondo, it
shows a bad  repair and also indicates the level of incompetence of the
restorer  or body man.




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Assume an inbound CREATE_CHILD_SA for creating a new IPsec ESP SA
contains an SA payload with three proposals:
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SA payload
    #1
    ENCR=3DDES
    INTEG=3DAUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
    DH=3D1024MODP
    ESN=3D0
    #2
    ENCR=3D3DES
    PRF=3DHMAC_SHA1
    INTEG=3DAUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
    DH=3D1024MODP
    ESN=3D0
    #3
    ENCR=3D3DES
    INTEG=3DAUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
    DH=3D768MODP
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Proposal #1 is built correctly
Proposal #2 contains the neither mandatory nor optional PRF
transformation.
Proposal #3 misses the mandatory ESN transformation.
=20
What is the appropriate answer to the peer?  The answer could be
an INVALID_SYNTAX notification because proposals #2 and #3 are
malformed.  Or the answer could be a CREATE_CHILD_SA response packet
because proposal #1 is OK to the receiver.
=20
Is the simple answer, that local policy decides?
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In my opinion, INVALID_SYNTAX is the best choice. The other end
is broken, and accepting proposal #1 would make it less likely
that the bug gets found and fixed.

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> Assume an inbound CREATE_CHILD_SA for creating a new IPsec ESP SA
> contains an SA payload with three proposals:
> =20
> SA payload
>     #1
>     ENCR=3DDES
>     INTEG=3DAUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
>     DH=3D1024MODP
>     ESN=3D0
>     #2
>     ENCR=3D3DES
>     PRF=3DHMAC_SHA1
>     INTEG=3DAUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
>     DH=3D1024MODP
>     ESN=3D0
>     #3
>     ENCR=3D3DES
>     INTEG=3DAUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
>     DH=3D768MODP
> =20
> Proposal #1 is built correctly
> Proposal #2 contains the neither mandatory nor optional PRF
> transformation.
> Proposal #3 misses the mandatory ESN transformation.
> =20
> What is the appropriate answer to the peer?  The answer could be
> an INVALID_SYNTAX notification because proposals #2 and #3 are
> malformed.  Or the answer could be a CREATE_CHILD_SA response packet
> because proposal #1 is OK to the receiver.
> =20
> Is the simple answer, that local policy decides?
> =20
> Christian
> =20
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I'm not sure.  This conflicts with the "liberal in what you accept"  
rule.

I would probably return an INVALID_SYNTAX because of #2 - PRF has no  
business being in a phase 2 proposal, but a lot of people thought  
that not including ESN is the same as not supporting ESN.

What do we do if we get some unknown parameter in #2 instead of the  
PRF?  In the transform type values table, IANA lists 6-240 as  
reserved for IANA, and 241-255 as private use. What do we do if we  
get an attribute from this range? If we drop the whole proposal (even  
thought #1 is acceptable), it would make it very hard to propose  
extensions.


On May 23, 2007, at 4:58 PM, <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com>  
<Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> wrote:

> In my opinion, INVALID_SYNTAX is the best choice. The other end
> is broken, and accepting proposal #1 would make it less likely
> that the bug gets found and fixed.
>
> Best regards,
> Pasi
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ext ipsec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipsec-bounces@ietf.org]
>> Sent: 23 May, 2007 16:35
>> To: ipsec@ietf.org
>> Subject: [Ipsec] handling of inbound SA payloads
>>
>> Assume an inbound CREATE_CHILD_SA for creating a new IPsec ESP SA
>> contains an SA payload with three proposals:
>>
>> SA payload
>>     #1
>>     ENCR=DES
>>     INTEG=AUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
>>     DH=1024MODP
>>     ESN=0
>>     #2
>>     ENCR=3DES
>>     PRF=HMAC_SHA1
>>     INTEG=AUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
>>     DH=1024MODP
>>     ESN=0
>>     #3
>>     ENCR=3DES
>>     INTEG=AUTH_HMAC_SHA1_96
>>     DH=768MODP
>>
>> Proposal #1 is built correctly
>> Proposal #2 contains the neither mandatory nor optional PRF
>> transformation.
>> Proposal #3 misses the mandatory ESN transformation.
>>
>> What is the appropriate answer to the peer?  The answer could be
>> an INVALID_SYNTAX notification because proposals #2 and #3 are
>> malformed.  Or the answer could be a CREATE_CHILD_SA response packet
>> because proposal #1 is OK to the receiver.
>>
>> Is the simple answer, that local policy decides?
>>
>> Christian
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Thet ESN confusion was in ikev2-17 draft; there's no ambiguity in
RFC 4306 (which was published already in 2005). So any
implementations based on ikev2-17 ought to be fixed by now...

But you do have a point about unknown parameters. "Private use"
range is always negotiated with Vendor ID payloads, but
presumably, some future version of ESP could need a new=20
negotiable parameter.

If the new parameter was largely orthogonal to the existing ones,
we could use notifications (e.g. IPCOMP_SUPPORTED,
USE_TRANSPORT_MODE, ESP_TFC_PADDING_NOT_SUPPORTED and
NON_FIRST_FRAGMENTS_ALSO could have been transform types, but were
added as notifications instead).  Or if this happened as part of
some bigger change, we could increment the IKE version number to
2.1... or we could add a notification saying "I support this
new transform type in the 6..240 range".

But yes, ignoring proposals (but not whole SA payload) that
contains unknown transform types is also one option. What do
other folks think? Should we say something about this in IKEv2bis?
Would it be backwards-compatible with existing implementations?

Best regards,
Pasi=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Yoav Nir [mailto:ynir@checkpoint.com]=20
> Sent: 24 May, 2007 10:06
> To: Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki)
> Cc: ipsec@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ipsec] handling of inbound SA payloads
>=20
> I'm not sure.  This conflicts with the "liberal in what you accept" =20
> rule.
>=20
> I would probably return an INVALID_SYNTAX because of #2 - PRF has no =20
> business being in a phase 2 proposal, but a lot of people thought =20
> that not including ESN is the same as not supporting ESN.
>=20
> What do we do if we get some unknown parameter in #2 instead of the
> PRF?  In the transform type values table, IANA lists 6-240 as
> reserved for IANA, and 241-255 as private use. What do we do if we
> get an attribute from this range? If we drop the whole proposal
> (even thought #1 is acceptable), it would make it very hard to
> propose extensions.
>=20
<snip>

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Yoav Nir wrote:
> I'm not sure.  This conflicts with the "liberal in what you accept" rule.
> 
> I would probably return an INVALID_SYNTAX because of #2 - PRF has no 
> business being in a phase 2 proposal, but a lot of people thought that 
> not including ESN is the same as not supporting ESN.

I disagree.
You should definitely log it.
I would agree to defining a notification that tells the peer something that 
it can log.

However, it seems to me that if you require implementations to always 
understand all proposals, then we can never augment/innovate in proposals.

You have a valid proposal. You should use it.

The things you don't understand simply do not exist.


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As of the IKEv2 interoperability workshop in March of this year,  
several vendors who shall remain nameless still make proposals with  
missing ESN attributes.

I think the best practice is to ignore proposals I don't understand,  
and not drop the entire payload.


On May 24, 2007, at 2:46 PM, <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com>  
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> Thet ESN confusion was in ikev2-17 draft; there's no ambiguity in
> RFC 4306 (which was published already in 2005). So any
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I think both solutions are OK, although I think if we ever find a  
reason to add a PRF to phase 2, we should use a new attribute, like  
CHILD_SA_PRF, rather than overloading the semantics of PRF.

On May 24, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:

> Yoav Nir wrote:
>> I'm not sure.  This conflicts with the "liberal in what you  
>> accept" rule.
>> I would probably return an INVALID_SYNTAX because of #2 - PRF has  
>> no business being in a phase 2 proposal, but a lot of people  
>> thought that not including ESN is the same as not supporting ESN.
>
> I disagree.
> You should definitely log it.
> I would agree to defining a notification that tells the peer  
> something that it can log.
>
> However, it seems to me that if you require implementations to  
> always understand all proposals, then we can never augment/innovate  
> in proposals.
>
> You have a valid proposal. You should use it.
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> The things you don't understand simply do not exist.
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