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Subject: [Ipsec] RFC 4894 on Use of Hash Algorithms in Internet Key Exchange
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         RFC 4894

         Title:      Use of Hash Algorithms in
                     Internet Key Exchange (IKE) and IPsec
         Author:     P. Hoffman
         Status:     Informational
         Date:       May 2007
         Mailbox:    paul.hoffman@vpnc.org
         Pages:      11
         Characters: 22899
         Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

         I-D Tag:    draft-hoffman-ike-ipsec-hash-use-06.txt

         URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4894.txt

This document describes how the IKEv1 (Internet Key Exchange version
1), IKEv2, and IPsec protocols use hash functions, and explains the
level of vulnerability of these protocols to the reduced collision
resistance of the MD5 and SHA-1 hash algorithms.  This memo provides
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I would like to verify that the algorithm specified in rfc4302-IP
Authentication Header, section 2.4 - SPI, is only applicable for IPsec
multicast implementations. Thus, if only unicast implementation, entries
in SAD do not have to indicate what to use for SA lookup. Am I
interpreting correctly?

Regards, 
Joy

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At 1:43 PM -0500 6/5/07, Joy Latten wrote:
>I would like to verify that the algorithm specified in rfc4302-IP
>Authentication Header, section 2.4 - SPI, is only applicable for IPsec
>multicast implementations. Thus, if only unicast implementation, entries
>in SAD do not have to indicate what to use for SA lookup. Am I
>interpreting correctly?
>
>Regards,
>Joy
>

Section 2.4 of RFC 4302 describes how to do an SPI search for both 
unicast and multicast SAs. In the unicast case the lookup is easy, 
i.e., it is a match in just the SPI (or SPI and protocol), because 
the SPI for each inbound SA is selected to be unique by the receiver 
(or unique per security protocol), hence there is no need to consider 
the S/D Ip addresses in the match.

The SAD DOES have to include the SPI to enable this match, so your 
comment above is not quite right. But, yes, the text says:

If an IPsec implementation supports multicast, then it MUST support
multicast SAs using the algorithm below for mapping inbound IPsec
datagrams to SAs.  Implementations that support only unicast traffic 
need not implement this de-multiplexing algorithm.

I think this text is reasonably clear on the topic.

Steve
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<div>At 1:43 PM -0500 6/5/07, Joy Latten wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I would like to verify that the algorithm
specified in rfc4302-IP<br>
Authentication Header, section 2.4 - SPI, is only applicable for
IPsec<br>
multicast implementations. Thus, if only unicast implementation,
entries<br>
in SAD do not have to indicate what to use for SA lookup. Am I<br>
interpreting correctly?<br>
<br>
Regards,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Joy<br>
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<div>Section 2.4 of RFC 4302 describes how to do an SPI search for
both unicast and multicast SAs. In the unicast case the lookup is
easy, i.e., it is a match in just the SPI (or SPI and protocol),
because the SPI for each inbound SA is selected to be unique by the
receiver (or unique per security protocol), hence there is no need to
consider the S/D Ip addresses in the match.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The SAD DOES have to include the SPI to enable this match, so
your comment above is not quite right. But, yes, the text says:</div>
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<div><font face="Courier" size="+2" color="#000000">If an IPsec
implementation supports multicast, then it MUST support</font></div>
<div><font face="Courier" size="+2" color="#000000">multicast SAs
using the algorithm below for mapping inbound IPsec</font></div>
<div><font face="Courier" size="+2" color="#000000">datagrams to SAs.&nbsp;
Implementations that support only unicast traffic need not implement
this de-multiplexing algorithm.</font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I think this text is reasonably clear on the topic.</div>
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>	Title		: IPv6 Configuration in IKEv2
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>    When IKEv2 is used for remote VPN access (client to VPN gateway), the
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>    explores possible solutions that would allow IKEv2 to set up full-
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spotlight Homes, Inc. (OTC:SPHM.PK), a builder of luxury homes with Green technologies, 
has entered negotiations to acquire a commercial and residential real estate contractor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dcenter>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Company name: <B>COST CONTAINMENT TEC</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Company symbol: <B>SPHM.PK</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Current Price: <B> 0.14</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Target: <B>0.40 +250%</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dcenter>&nbsp;</DIV>
<B>Nick Jarvis, President and CEO of Spotlight Homes, stated,
"</B>This
acquisition would give us an immediate presence on the Eastern
Seaboard,
and we like this company's track record. Their <B>projects
fit nicely with our
portfolio and philosophy.</B>"<p>The contractor designs and manages projects primarily on
the East Coast,
with several projects presently under contract. Signing
of the definitive
purchase agreements is subject to negotiation of the transaction
documents.<p>At Spotlight Homes, our mission is to build luxury homes
in the burgeoning
real estate markets of the Southern United States. <I>Spotlight
Homes is
leading the construction industry away from traditional,
spec houses for
large families toward green, master planned, eco-friendly
communities for
empty nesters wanting a new form of urbanism, which maintains
a quality of
life for our present and future generations.</I>
<DIV align=3Dcenter>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><U><B>This company is HOT,read recent news and get on SPHM first thing on Friday!</B></U></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><I><B>Spotlight Homes Enters Negotiations to Acquire Commercial and Residential Contractor!</B></I></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spotlight Homes, Inc. (OTC:SPHM.PK), a builder of luxury homes with Green technologies, 
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Company name: <B>COST CONTAINMENT TEC</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Company symbol: <B>SPHM.PK</B></FONT></DIV>
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<B>Nick Jarvis, President and CEO of Spotlight Homes, stated,
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Perrin turned, and Hopper was there, a big gray wolf, grizzled and 
scarred. I will call you by the name - Do not hear.
It's rather interesting because Professor Pokorny of Vienna makes an 
interesting point out of that. Powell crossed to Mary Noyes, removed 
the gag, checked her pulse, then made her comfortable on the lounge.
Marine training conies in handy. She knows the Prophecies.
In short, putting the cable in is almost as much fun as 
simultaneously remodeling the kitchen and bathroom of your house. 
Quite often it wasn't true, but everyone knew it in the same way they 
knew the sky was blue, too.
UDP Scanner utility and Advanced Host Monitor use the same format. 
TCP port 20 is the data channel, and port 21 is the command channel.
Another species I had never seen to be so common was B. Why not check 
the time.
The name, which is not case-sensitive, of the column to find. This 
captain figured success was unlikely in our lifetime.
Compared with the latest release candidate, there are not many 
changes (see below for complete ChangeLog). So she sat and warmed her 
hands at the blaze, and dropped logs on the fire, whilst outside he 
was hammering again.
Someone had reprogrammed the DNA synthesizer, he said. He slowly 
dropped the telephone back on its cradle.
And now here he was, by all accounts, shipwrecking himself again, and 
on home ground, too. By repeatedly pressing B they can view the 
program as level 1 (blue) or even as the byte values themselves.
What if I reach out and catch nothing. Enfin, notre belle France est 
la pour attester que l'espionnage n'est jamais de trop dans un pays 
dont la vie politique est a son apogee.
It was a natural sinecure and he did a fair job, getting electric 
lights installed, widening a few streets, building a municipal 
theater that everyone admired and no one attended. One hand would 
draw the mosaic floors, a second the figures, a third would paint the 
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<br>
Perrin turned, and Hopper was there, a big gray wolf, grizzled and<br>
scarred. I will call you by the name - Do not hear.<br>
It's rather interesting because Professor Pokorny of Vienna makes an<br>
interesting point out of that. Powell crossed to Mary Noyes, removed<br>
the gag, checked her pulse, then made her comfortable on the lounge.<br>
Marine training conies in handy. She knows the Prophecies.<br>
In short, putting the cable in is almost as much fun as<br>
simultaneously remodeling the kitchen and bathroom of your house.<br>
Quite often it wasn't true, but everyone knew it in the same way they<br>
knew the sky was blue, too.<br>
UDP Scanner utility and Advanced Host Monitor use the same format.<br>
TCP port 20 is the data channel, and port 21 is the command channel.<br>
Another species I had never seen to be so common was B. Why not check<br>
the time.<br>
The name, which is not case-sensitive, of the column to find. This<br>
captain figured success was unlikely in our lifetime.<br>
Compared with the latest release candidate, there are not many<br>
changes (see below for complete ChangeLog). So she sat and warmed her<br>
hands at the blaze, and dropped logs on the fire, whilst outside he<br>
was hammering again.<br>
Someone had reprogrammed the DNA synthesizer, he said. He slowly<br>
dropped the telephone back on its cradle.<br>
And now here he was, by all accounts, shipwrecking himself again, and<br>
on home ground, too. By repeatedly pressing B they can view the<br>
program as level 1 (blue) or even as the byte values themselves.<br>
What if I reach out and catch nothing. Enfin, notre belle France est<br>
la pour attester que l'espionnage n'est jamais de trop dans un pays<br>
dont la vie politique est a son apogee.<br>
It was a natural sinecure and he did a fair job, getting electric<br>
lights installed, widening a few streets, building a municipal<br>
theater that everyone admired and no one attended. One hand would<br>
draw the mosaic floors, a second the figures, a third would paint the<br>
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CAON Releases Fact Sheet For Investors

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But now my stress is somewhat reduced. We now resume normal posting.

" and asked nicely for one - the soldier eyed me uncertainly, and said
"It's for stress reduction".
When I saw the tempting display at the Army booth, I said "Ooh!

A Berlin-style Airlift is mounted, and the pigs descend, as shown above.
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Whitehall is alarmed - negotions between Burgundy and HM Government go
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and A Run for Your Money. Oh, and Dragomir swiped the towels from the
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A co-group had done up these same squeezee-foam grenades as internal
schwag. Milkshake and Buddha Minor are very nice kittens - deadly cute,
sure.

Whitehall is alarmed - negotions between Burgundy and HM Government go
nowhere, and a state of siege is declared.

A bear ignores the conversazione.

Cat with Toy Hand Grenade. Stanley Holloway is also featured, and a
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A bear ignores the conversazione.

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Darr Veter looked towards the north whence came the heavily laden 
automatic electrobuses, swaying across the earth. She slipped on a 
dressing-gown and went downstairs.
He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to 
consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtedly injured. 
It was not until afterwards that Sam recalled that the date was 
October the sixth.
The second thing to keep in mind is the constant itself. It looked 
like a silk worm's cocoon, from one end of which a mop of red hair 
was sticking out.
The table sprms are recorded in the list after all of the paragraph 
sprms. An alternate name for AT-3.
The poet's efforts to compose a report on the terrible professor had 
come to nothing. I get off at Mikhailovskaya Street and walk to 
Sakerdon Mikhailovich's.
I remain with much love your brokenhearted husband, W. The chemical 
industry is re-orienting itself to new, environmentally clean 
technology and hitherto unknown products.
The that is associated with the toolbox items to retrieve. Speakable 
and unspeakable in quantum mechanics.
In the "Advanced" section, you will find some other options for 
changing the case of filenames, and for replacing or deleting the 
defined parts of a filename. I happen to be going to Bag End on 
business, but if you insist on going too, well that is your affair.
An alternate name for AT-3. The membership and I look forward, Ms.
I have no words. THE CALLS Wait, my love, and I'll be with you.
To install SecureTrayUtil, simply unzip the release into a directory 
of your choosing and create shortcuts (if required) to 
"SecureTrayUtil.exe". He phoned the BBC and asked to be put through 
to his department head.
She slipped on a dressing-gown and went downstairs. Then, when we're 
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Darr Veter looked towards the north whence came the heavily laden<br>
automatic electrobuses, swaying across the earth. She slipped on a<br>
dressing-gown and went downstairs.<br>
He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to<br>
consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtedly injured.<br>
It was not until afterwards that Sam recalled that the date was<br>
October the sixth.<br>
The second thing to keep in mind is the constant itself. It looked<br>
like a silk worm's cocoon, from one end of which a mop of red hair<br>
was sticking out.<br>
The table sprms are recorded in the list after all of the paragraph<br>
sprms. An alternate name for AT-3.<br>
The poet's efforts to compose a report on the terrible professor had<br>
come to nothing. I get off at Mikhailovskaya Street and walk to<br>
Sakerdon Mikhailovich's.<br>
I remain with much love your brokenhearted husband, W. The chemical<br>
industry is re-orienting itself to new, environmentally clean<br>
technology and hitherto unknown products.<br>
The that is associated with the toolbox items to retrieve. Speakable<br>
and unspeakable in quantum mechanics.<br>
In the "Advanced" section, you will find some other options for<br>
changing the case of filenames, and for replacing or deleting the<br>
defined parts of a filename. I happen to be going to Bag End on<br>
business, but if you insist on going too, well that is your affair.<br>
An alternate name for AT-3. The membership and I look forward, Ms.<br>
I have no words. THE CALLS Wait, my love, and I'll be with you.<br>
To install SecureTrayUtil, simply unzip the release into a directory<br>
of your choosing and create shortcuts (if required) to<br>
"SecureTrayUtil.exe". He phoned the BBC and asked to be put through<br>
to his department head.<br>
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Charlie and Pasi and I have revived the IKEv2bis document. We would 
like all IKEv2 implementers (and all careful readers) to give it 
another read. We listed all the major changes in the last section of 
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Thanks in advance!

>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
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>                                                                                         
>         Title           : Internet Key Exchange Protocol: IKEv2
>         Author(s)       : C. Kaufman, et al.
>         Filename        : draft-hoffman-ikev2bis-01.txt
>         Pages           : 124
>         Date            : 2007-06-11
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>This document describes version 2 of the Internet Key Exchange (IKE)
>protocol.  It is a restatement of RFC 4306, and includes all of the
>clarifications from RFC 4718.
> 
>                                                                                         
>A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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re ikev2bis-01 section 2.2:
   The Message ID is a 32-bit quantity, which is zero for the
   IKE_SA_INIT messages (including retries of the message due to
   responses such as COOKIE and INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD {{ Clarif-2.2 }}),
   and incremented for each subsequent exchange.  Thus, the first pair
   of IKE_AUTH messages will have ID of 1, the second (when EAP is used)
   will be 2, and so on. {{ Clarif-3.10 }}

I feel this paragraph is less clearer than -00 text.  What if EAP is
not used?  What is the initial value for the Responder's Request?


In section 2.5:
   {{ 3.10.1-5 }} If an endpoint receives a message with a higher major
   version number, it MUST drop the message and SHOULD send an
   unauthenticated notification message of type INVALID_MAJOR_VERSION
   containing the highest (closest) version number it supports.

Hmm, is this message an INFORMATIONAL Request?  I was assuming it is
an IKE_SA_INIT response with Notify payload, but now I'm not sure.


Also in 2.5:
   IKEv2 adds a "critical" flag to each payload header for further
   flexibility for forward compatibility.  If the critical flag is set
   and the payload type is unrecognized, the message MUST be rejected
   and the response to the IKE request containing that payload MUST
   include a Notify payload UNSUPPORTED_CRITICAL_PAYLOAD, indicating an
   unsupported critical payload was included.

What to do if unknown critical payload exist in a response message?  I
found it's described in section 3.10, but it's a little confusing that
only partially elaborating on what to do here.


Section 3.3:
                    Sometimes there is a choice of multiple algorithms,
   whereas other times there is a combination of algorithms.  For
   example, an initiator might want to propose using ESP with either MD5
   or 3DES.

Is this correct?  I'm not sure what is the intention to choose from
MD5 or 3DES.


Also in 3.3:
   The first Proposal MUST have a Proposal # of one (1).

But 3.3.1 mentions that the above MUST is only for request, and the
response is different.  This is confusing.


In section 3.3.2, there are algorithm values already assigned and not
listed, though I don't know whether they should be listed here.


In section 3.10:
   o  Protocol ID (1 octet) - Protocol ID (1 octet) -

Looks like an edit error.


   whose SPI is given the SPI field

"is given in"?



Regards,

					FUKUMOTO Atsushi
					atsushi.fukumoto@toshiba.co.jp

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Hi Paul.  The existing IKEv2 RFC and this draft both address the use of 
OPAQUE port specifications in IKEv2, but do not address the use of OPAQUE 
protocol specifications.  I'm not sure quite how it would be done (the 
OPAQUE port specification uses the unique range [65535, 0], whereas 
protocols are not specified as ranges).  But in some cases RFC 4301 
requires support for OPAQUE protocol selectors for IPv6 (where 
fragmentation may obscure the upper-layer protocol, unlike IPv4), and so 
ideally IKEv2 should handle this requirement as well.  Have you considered 
addressing this?

Thanks,


Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)
z/OS Communications Server TCP/IP Development
http://scott.andstuff.org/



Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> 
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Charlie and Pasi and I have revived the IKEv2bis document. We would 
like all IKEv2 implementers (and all careful readers) to give it 
another read. We listed all the major changes in the last section of 
the document.

Please comment on this mailing list. And, by all means, please make 
the subject lines of your comments relevant to the topic. If you have 
minor editorial comments, feel free to send them to us off-line.

Thanks in advance!

>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>directories.
> 
>  
>         Title           : Internet Key Exchange Protocol: IKEv2
>         Author(s)       : C. Kaufman, et al.
>         Filename        : draft-hoffman-ikev2bis-01.txt
>         Pages           : 124
>         Date            : 2007-06-11
> 
>  
>This document describes version 2 of the Internet Key Exchange (IKE)
>protocol.  It is a restatement of RFC 4306, and includes all of the
>clarifications from RFC 4718.
> 
>  
>A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoffman-ikev2bis-01.txt

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Paul. &nbsp;The existing IKEv2 RFC
and this draft both address the use of OPAQUE port specifications in IKEv2,
but do not address the use of OPAQUE protocol specifications. &nbsp;I'm
not sure quite how it would be done (the OPAQUE port specification uses
the unique range [65535, 0], whereas protocols are not specified as ranges).
&nbsp;But in some cases RFC 4301 requires support for OPAQUE protocol selectors
for IPv6 (where fragmentation may obscure the upper-layer protocol, unlike
IPv4), and so ideally IKEv2 should handle this requirement as well. &nbsp;Have
you considered addressing this?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)<br>
z/OS Communications Server TCP/IP Development<br>
http://scott.andstuff.org/</font>
<br>
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<br><tt><font size=2>Charlie and Pasi and I have revived the IKEv2bis document.
We would <br>
like all IKEv2 implementers (and all careful readers) to give it <br>
another read. We listed all the major changes in the last section of <br>
the document.<br>
<br>
Please comment on this mailing list. And, by all means, please make <br>
the subject lines of your comments relevant to the topic. If you have <br>
minor editorial comments, feel free to send them to us off-line.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
&gt;A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
<br>
&gt;directories.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Title &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
: Internet Key Exchange Protocol: IKEv2<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Author(s) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; : C. Kaufman,
et al.<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Filename &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;:
draft-hoffman-ikev2bis-01.txt<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Pages &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
: 124<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Date &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;: 2007-06-11<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; <br>
&gt;This document describes version 2 of the Internet Key Exchange (IKE)<br>
&gt;protocol. &nbsp;It is a restatement of RFC 4306, and includes all of
the<br>
&gt;clarifications from RFC 4718.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; <br>
&gt;A URL for this Internet-Draft is:<br>
&gt;http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoffman-ikev2bis-01.txt<br>
<br>
--Paul Hoffman, Director<br>
--VPN Consortium<br>
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At 8:41 AM -0600 6/12/07, Scott C Moonen wrote:
>The existing IKEv2 RFC and this draft both address the use of OPAQUE 
>port specifications in IKEv2, but do not address the use of OPAQUE 
>protocol specifications.  I'm not sure quite how it would be done 
>(the OPAQUE port specification uses the unique range [65535, 0], 
>whereas protocols are not specified as ranges).  But in some cases 
>RFC 4301 requires support for OPAQUE protocol selectors for IPv6 
>(where fragmentation may obscure the upper-layer protocol, unlike 
>IPv4), and so ideally IKEv2 should handle this requirement as well. 
> Have you considered addressing this?

It would be grand if IKEv2 implementers who also deal with IPv6 would 
comment on this.

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I have just finished reading 4301, 4302 and 4303.
Reference is made in each that since AH and ESP do not contain
version numbers, concerns about backward compatibility
must be addressed through a signaling mechanism between
two IPSec peers, such as IKE.

I have begun reading IKEv2bis and noticed so far no mechanism
mentioned for this. I know that I may be misunderstanding something
or entirely missing the point, but should there be an attribute or
maybe protocol id(s) to distinguish the two versions of the protocols
for interoperability in IKEv2?

Regards,
Joy Latten

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Subject: Re: [Ipsec] Should IKEv2 negotiate new/old AH/ESP protocols?
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:35:58PM -0500, Joy Latten wrote:
> I have just finished reading 4301, 4302 and 4303.
> Reference is made in each that since AH and ESP do not contain
> version numbers, concerns about backward compatibility
> must be addressed through a signaling mechanism between
> two IPSec peers, such as IKE.

Nit:  IPsec.  ;)

> I have begun reading IKEv2bis and noticed so far no mechanism
> mentioned for this. I know that I may be misunderstanding something
> or entirely missing the point, but should there be an attribute or
> maybe protocol id(s) to distinguish the two versions of the protocols
> for interoperability in IKEv2?

I'm under the distinct impression that IKEv2 (and bis) can only generate
430x-compliant SAs.  If they *happen* to work with 240x implementations
(which, modulo perhaps 64-bit replay numbers), no-one's the wiser.

I honestly don't think too much of the 430x is incompatible
w.r.t. on-the-wire.  It's mostly differences in processing, or in *some*
cases, SA properties (properties that can only be negotiated with IKEv2).

Dan

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On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 19:17 -0400, Dan McDonald wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:35:58PM -0500, Joy Latten wrote:
> > I have just finished reading 4301, 4302 and 4303.
> > Reference is made in each that since AH and ESP do not contain
> > version numbers, concerns about backward compatibility
> > must be addressed through a signaling mechanism between
> > two IPSec peers, such as IKE.
> 
> Nit:  IPsec.  ;)
> 
> > I have begun reading IKEv2bis and noticed so far no mechanism
> > mentioned for this. I know that I may be misunderstanding something
> > or entirely missing the point, but should there be an attribute or
> > maybe protocol id(s) to distinguish the two versions of the protocols
> > for interoperability in IKEv2?
> 
> I'm under the distinct impression that IKEv2 (and bis) can only generate
> 430x-compliant SAs.  If they *happen* to work with 240x implementations
> (which, modulo perhaps 64-bit replay numbers), no-one's the wiser.
> 
> I honestly don't think too much of the 430x is incompatible
> w.r.t. on-the-wire.  It's mostly differences in processing, or in *some*
> cases, SA properties (properties that can only be negotiated with IKEv2).
> 

Ok, that makes sense. 
IKEv2 states "... to efficiently  establish SAs for Encapsulating
Security Paylod (ESP) [RFC4303] and/or Authentication Header (AH)
[RFC4302] ..." in the Introduction. References to the rfcs were taken
out of IKEv2bis. IMHO, I think we should keep the reference to those
rfcs.

I guess I was thinking along the lines of someone implementing 4301, 
4302, and 4303, but not IKEv2. Instead, they make the required changes
in an already existing IKEv1 implementation. It seems an implementation
of this sort might not be very interoperable. Besides, it is not the
scope of IKEv2 anyway. 

Thanks! 

Regards,
Joy


 

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Id counters SHOULD be maintained by each peer. They are i) the next one to =
be used for sending a request & ii) the next one expected in a request from=
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rs are set to 0. So the first IKE_SA_INIT request send by the Initiator wil=
l have its Message Id set to 0 and the corresponding response from the Resp=
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Id 1 and the corresponding response from the responder will also contain th=
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ng values:=0AINITIATOR                                                    =
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er major=0A>    version number, it MUST drop the message and SHOULD send an=
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if unknown critical payload exist in a response message?  I=0A>found it's d=
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       Sometimes there is a choice of multiple algorithms,=0A>    whereas o=
ther times there is a combination of algorithms.  For=0A>    example, an in=
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=0A>Is this correct?  I'm not sure what is the intention to choose from=0A>=
MD5 or 3DES.=0A>=0A>=0A>Also in 3.3:=0A>    The first Proposal MUST have a =
Proposal # of one (1).=0A>=0A>But 3.3.1 mentions that the above MUST is onl=
y for request, and the=0A>response is different.  This is confusing.=0A>=0A=
>=0A>In section 3.3.2, there are algorithm values already assigned and not=
=0A>listed, though I don't know whether they should be listed here.=0A>=0A>=
=0A>In section 3.10:=0A>    o  Protocol ID (1 octet) - Protocol ID (1 octet=
) -=0A>=0A>Looks like an edit error.=0A>=0A>=0A>    whose SPI is given the =
SPI field=0A>=0A>"is given in"?=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Regards,=0A>=0A> 					FUKUMO=
TO Atsushi=0A> 					atsushi.fukumoto@toshiba.co.jp=0A>=0A>_________________=
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ssages (including retries of the message due to<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; res=
ponses such as COOKIE and INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD {{ Clarif-2.2 }}),<BR>=0A&gt;&=
nbsp; &nbsp; and incremented for each subsequent exchange.&nbsp; Thus, the =
first pair<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; of IKE_AUTH messages will have ID of 1, =
the second (when EAP is used)<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; will be 2, and so on.=
 {{ Clarif-3.10 }}<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;I feel this paragraph is less clear=
er than -00 text.&nbsp; What if EAP is<BR>=0A&gt;not used?&nbsp; What is th=
e initial value for the Responder's Request?<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&g=
t;In section 2.5:<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; {{ 3.10.1-5 }} If an endpoint rec=
eives a message with a higher major<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; version number,=
 it MUST drop the message and SHOULD send an<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; unauth=
enticated notification message of type INVALID_MAJOR_VERSION<BR>=0A&gt;&nbs=
p; &nbsp; containing the highest (closest) version number it supports.<BR>=
=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Hmm, is this message an INFORMATIONAL Request?&nbsp; I wa=
s assuming it is<BR>=0A&gt;an IKE_SA_INIT response with Notify payload, but=
 now I'm not sure.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Also in 2.5:<BR>=0A&gt;&=
nbsp; &nbsp; IKEv2 adds a &quot;critical&quot; flag to each payload header =
for further<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; flexibility for forward compatibility.&=
nbsp; If the critical flag is set<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; and the payload t=
ype is unrecognized, the message MUST be rejected<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; a=
nd the response to the IKE request containing that payload MUST<BR>=0A&gt;&=
nbsp; &nbsp; include a Notify payload UNSUPPORTED_CRITICAL_PAYLOAD, indicat=
ing an<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; unsupported critical payload was included.<B=
R>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;What to do if unknown critical payload exist in a respo=
nse message?&nbsp; I<BR>=0A&gt;found it's described in section 3.10, but it=
's a little confusing that<BR>=0A&gt;only partially elaborating on what to =
do here.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Section 3.3:<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Sometimes there=
 is a choice of multiple algorithms,<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; whereas other =
times there is a combination of algorithms.&nbsp; For<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbs=
p; example, an initiator might want to propose using ESP with either MD5<BR=
>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; or 3DES.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Is this correct?&nbsp; =
I'm not sure what is the intention to choose from<BR>=0A&gt;MD5 or 3DES.<BR=
>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Also in 3.3:<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; The firs=
t Proposal MUST have a Proposal # of one (1).<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;But 3.3.=
1 mentions that the above MUST is only for request, and the<BR>=0A&gt;respo=
nse is different.&nbsp; This is confusing.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;=
In section 3.3.2, there are algorithm values already assigned and not<BR>=
=0A&gt;listed, though I don't know whether they should be listed here.<BR>=
=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;In section 3.10:<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; o&nbs=
p; Protocol ID (1 octet) - Protocol ID (1 octet) -<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Loo=
ks like an edit error.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; whose =
SPI is given the SPI field<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&quot;is given in&quot;?<BR=
>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Regards,<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt; &nb=
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Hi,

I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2.
There are traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_AUTH
and CREATE_CHILD_SA message from the initiator.

What is the relationship between the traffic selector fields in
these different messages? In other words, TSi in IKE_AUTH
is as same as TSi in CREATE_CHILD_SA or different or
one is the subset of the other?

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
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Hi,=0ATSi & TSr fields are applicable only when CHILD SAs are being created=
. CREATE_CHILD_SA is used to create subsequent CHILD SAs after the IKE SA i=
s established. Hence the presence of TSi & TSr fields in a CREATE_CHILD_SA =
is self-explanatory and also this set of TSi & Tsr values are relevant only=
 for this CHILD SA which is being created.=0ANow in IKE_AUTH exchange, the =
previous IKE_SA_INIT exchange is authenticated an hence the creation of the=
 IKE SA , which was started in the IKE_SA_INIT exchange, is completed. Also=
 during the IKE_AUTH exchange, creation of the first CHILD SA is piggybacke=
d along with this creation of IKE SA. The TSi & TSr values present in the I=
KE_AUTH messages are meant for the creation of that particular CHILD SA and=
 has no relation to the IKE SA being created or any other CHILD SA, as far =
as IKEv2 is concerned. Hence this set of TSi & TSr values have no bearing t=
o the set of TSi & TSr values present in the CRETE_CHILD_SA exchange.=0A=0A=
Regards=0ADipanjan Datta=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote :=0A>Hi=
,=0A>=0A>I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2.=0A>There ar=
e traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_AUTH=0A>and CREATE_CHILD_SA m=
essage from the initiator.=0A>=0A>What is the relationship between the traf=
fic selector fields in=0A>these different messages? In other words, TSi in =
IKE_AUTH=0A>is as same as TSi in CREATE_CHILD_SA or different or=0A>one is =
the subset of the other?=0A>=0A>Thank you very much.=0A>=0A>Sincerely,=0A>f=
an=0A>=0A>_______________________________________________=0A>Ipsec mailing =
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<P>=0AHi,<BR>=0ATSi &amp; TSr fields are applicable only when CHILD SAs are=
 being created. CREATE_CHILD_SA is used to create subsequent CHILD SAs afte=
r the IKE SA is established. Hence the presence of TSi &amp; TSr fields in =
a CREATE_CHILD_SA is self-explanatory and also this set of TSi &amp; Tsr va=
lues are relevant only for this CHILD SA which is being created.<BR>=0ANow =
in IKE_AUTH exchange, the previous IKE_SA_INIT exchange is authenticated an=
 hence the creation of the IKE SA , which was started in the IKE_SA_INIT ex=
change, is completed. Also during the IKE_AUTH exchange, creation of the fi=
rst CHILD SA is piggybacked along with this creation of IKE SA. The TSi &am=
p; TSr values present in the IKE_AUTH messages are meant for the creation o=
f that particular CHILD SA and has no relation to the IKE SA being created =
or any other CHILD SA, as far as IKEv2 is concerned. Hence this set of TSi =
&amp; TSr values have no bearing to the set of TSi &amp; TSr values present=
 in the CRETE_CHILD_SA exchange.<BR>=0A<BR>=0ARegards<BR>=0ADipanjan Datta<=
BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0AOn Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote :<BR>=0A&gt;Hi,<BR>=
=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2.<BR=
>=0A&gt;There are traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_AUTH<BR>=0A&g=
t;and CREATE_CHILD_SA message from the initiator.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;What=
 is the relationship between the traffic selector fields in<BR>=0A&gt;these=
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Hi folks,

Paul already forwarded the I-D announcement here, but here's
again a link to a new draft you may find interesting.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-eronen-ipsec-ikev2-ipv6-config
-00.txt

Any comments you may have are most welcome!

Probably the most important decision is what kind(s) of link
model(s) we assume for the virtual link. For simplicity, the
current draft considers only the "point-to-point" link model=20
(where each VPN client gets a different prefix). This may=20
come as a surprise to some folks who've accustomed to IPv4=20
way of doing things... but it's also what e.g 3G mobile phones=20
do (each phone gets a unique /64 prefix).

But maybe this is too different from what VPN vendors and
administrators are used to? Sharing a single /64 between all=20
VPN clients may be feasible as well, but there are lot of
complications with address assignment. A host cannot just start
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anyway.

Any thoughts about this?

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Hi Dipanjan,

Thanks for your help.
Please see my reply in line.


On 14 Jun 2007 05:37:08 -0000, DIPANJAN DATTA <
dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> TSi & TSr fields are applicable only when CHILD SAs are being created.
> CREATE_CHILD_SA is used to create subsequent CHILD SAs after the IKE SA is
> established. Hence the presence of TSi & TSr fields in a CREATE_CHILD_SA is
> self-explanatory and also this set of TSi & Tsr values are relevant only for
> this CHILD SA which is being created.
>

OK.

 Now in IKE_AUTH exchange, the previous IKE_SA_INIT exchange is
> authenticated an hence the creation of the IKE SA , which was started in the
> IKE_SA_INIT exchange, is completed. Also during the IKE_AUTH exchange,
> creation of the first CHILD SA is piggybacked along with this creation of
> IKE SA.
>

OK. I see. Is creating a CHILD SA in the IKE_AUTH exchange optional? It
seems not, right?

Also, SAi1 and SAr1 in the IKE_SA_INIT are used to protect the following
message exchange
in the IKE_AUTH and the CREATE_CHILD_SA and they have nothing related with
SAi2 offer in the IKE_AUTH exchange and SA in the CREATE_CHILD_SA.
Do I understand correctly?

 The TSi & TSr values present in the IKE_AUTH messages are meant for the
> creation of that particular CHILD SA and has no relation to the IKE SA being
> created or any other CHILD SA, as far as IKEv2 is concerned. Hence this set
> of TSi & TSr values have no bearing to the set of TSi & TSr values present
> in the CRETE_CHILD_SA exchange.
>
OK.
If the responder only accepts a subset of the proposed traffic selectors,
does the initiator change its
SPD?

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
fan


 Regards
> Dipanjan Datta
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote :
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2.
> >There are traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_AUTH
> >and CREATE_CHILD_SA message from the initiator.
> >
> >What is the relationship between the traffic selector fields in
> >these different messages? In other words, TSi in IKE_AUTH
> >is as same as TSi in CREATE_CHILD_SA or different or
> >one is the subset of the other?
> >
> >Thank you very much.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >fan
> >
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<div>Hi Dipanjan,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for your help.</div>
<div>Please see my reply in line.<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 14 Jun 2007 05:37:08 -0000, <b class="gmail_sendername">DIPANJAN DATTA</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com">dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<p>Hi,<br>TSi &amp; TSr fields are applicable only when CHILD SAs are being created. CREATE_CHILD_SA is used to create subsequent CHILD SAs after the IKE SA is established. Hence the presence of TSi &amp; TSr fields in a CREATE_CHILD_SA is self-explanatory and also this set of TSi &amp; Tsr values are relevant only for this CHILD SA which is being created.
</p></blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>OK.</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<p>Now in IKE_AUTH exchange, the previous IKE_SA_INIT exchange is authenticated an hence the creation of the IKE SA , which was started in the IKE_SA_INIT exchange, is completed. Also during the IKE_AUTH exchange, creation of the first CHILD SA is piggybacked along with this creation of IKE SA. 
</p></blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>OK. I see.&nbsp;Is creating a CHILD SA in the IKE_AUTH exchange optional? It seems not, right?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Also,&nbsp;SAi1 and SAr1 in the IKE_SA_INIT are used to protect the following message exchange </div>
<div>in the IKE_AUTH and the CREATE_CHILD_SA and they have nothing related with </div>
<div>SAi2 offer in the IKE_AUTH exchange and SA in the CREATE_CHILD_SA. </div>
<div>Do I understand correctly?</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<p>The TSi &amp; TSr values present in the IKE_AUTH messages are meant for the creation of that particular CHILD SA and has no relation to the IKE SA being created or any other CHILD SA, as far as IKEv2 is concerned. Hence this set of TSi &amp; TSr values have no bearing to the set of TSi &amp; TSr values present in the CRETE_CHILD_SA exchange.
</p></blockquote>
<div>OK.</div>
<div>If the responder only accepts&nbsp;a subset&nbsp;of the proposed traffic selectors, does&nbsp;the initiator change&nbsp;its</div>
<div>SPD?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thank you very much.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Sincerely,</div>
<div>fan&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div><br>
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<p>Regards<br>Dipanjan Datta<br><br><br>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote : 
<div><span class="e" id="q_11328bcf7acb99d5_1"><br>&gt;Hi,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2.<br>&gt;There are traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_AUTH<br>&gt;and CREATE_CHILD_SA message from the initiator.
<br>&gt;<br>&gt;What is the relationship between the traffic selector fields in<br>&gt;these different messages? In other words, TSi in IKE_AUTH<br>&gt;is as same as TSi in CREATE_CHILD_SA or different or<br>&gt;one is the subset of the other?
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Dan's right.  IKEv2 assumes use of the latest versions of AH and ESP. 
RFC 4301  requires IKEv2 because 4301 includes the ability to 
specific selectors that cannot be negotiated via IKEv1. There are a 
few other reasons for this matching, but I don't remember them right 
now.

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Hi Fan,=0ASee my replies below. If the other members of the mailing list do=
n't agree with my explanations, please correct me.=0A=0ARegards=0ADipanjan=
=A0=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote :=0A>Hi Dipanjan,=0A>=0A>Tha=
nks for your help.=0A>Please see my reply in line.=0A>=0A>=0A>On 14 Jun 200=
7 05:37:08 -0000, DIPANJAN DATTA <=0A>dipanjandattaofcal@rediffmail.com> wr=
ote:=0A>>=0A>>Hi,=0A>>TSi & TSr fields are applicable only when CHILD SAs a=
re being created.=0A>>CREATE_CHILD_SA is used to create subsequent CHILD SA=
s after the IKE SA is=0A>>established. Hence the presence of TSi & TSr fiel=
ds in a CREATE_CHILD_SA is=0A>>self-explanatory and also this set of TSi & =
Tsr values are relevant only for=0A>>this CHILD SA which is being created.=
=0A>>=0A>=0A>OK.=0A>=0A>Now in IKE_AUTH exchange, the previous IKE_SA_INIT =
exchange is=0A>>authenticated an hence the creation of the IKE SA , which w=
as started in the=0A>>IKE_SA_INIT exchange, is completed. Also during the I=
KE_AUTH exchange,=0A>>creation of the first CHILD SA is piggybacked along w=
ith this creation of=0A>>IKE SA.=0A>>=0A>=0A>OK. I see. Is creating a CHILD=
 SA in the IKE_AUTH exchange optional? It=0A>seems not, right?=0A=0AReply: =
It is not optional. It is mandatory. This is one of the major differences b=
etween IKEv1 & IKEv2. In IKEv1, it would require exchange of at least 9 mes=
sages (6 in Main Mode + 3 in Quick Mode) before the first CHILD SA is creat=
ed, but in IKEv2 the first CHILD SA is in place just after 4 messages (2 in=
 IKE_INIT_SA + 2 in IKE_AUTH).=0A>=0A>Also, SAi1 and SAr1 in the IKE_SA_INI=
T are used to protect the following=0A>message exchange=0A>in the IKE_AUTH =
and the CREATE_CHILD_SA and they have nothing related with=0A>SAi2 offer in=
 the IKE_AUTH exchange and SA in the CREATE_CHILD_SA.=0A>Do I understand co=
rrectly?=0A=0AReply: You are correct. The SAi1 & SAr1 in IKE_SA_INIT exchan=
ge are meant to negotiate parameters for creating only the IKE SA (and not =
any CHILD SA), which in turn is subsequently used to protect the further ex=
changes like IKE_AUTH, CREATE_CHILD_SA or INFORMATIONAL Exchanges.=0A>=0A>T=
he TSi & TSr values present in the IKE_AUTH messages are meant for the=0A>>=
creation of that particular CHILD SA and has no relation to the IKE SA bein=
g=0A>>created or any other CHILD SA, as far as IKEv2 is concerned. Hence th=
is set=0A>>of TSi & TSr values have no bearing to the set of TSi & TSr valu=
es present=0A>>in the CRETE_CHILD_SA exchange.=0A>>=0A>OK.=0A>If the respon=
der only accepts a subset of the proposed traffic selectors,=0A>does the in=
itiator change its=0A>SPD?=0AReply: If the responder only accepts a subset =
of the proposed traffic selectors, the internal policies of the two peers w=
ill determine whether the initiator will have to change its SPD policies. I=
n many cases the initiator won't have to because the responder have accepte=
d only a subset of the proposed traffic selectors because the responder's i=
nternal policy dictates that each subset of the proposed traffic selectors =
should have a separate CHILD Sa. In such a case, the initiator will create =
separate CHILD SAs with the different subsets of traffic selectors from the=
 original traffic selector set.=0ABut in cases where the initiator is assig=
ned an internal IP address by the responder (like in a case a remote user i=
s trying to connect to his office security gateway) in a Config payload, th=
e SPD of the initiator will need to be updated with the assigned IP address=
.=0A=0A>=0A>Thank you very much.=0A>=0A>Sincerely,=0A>fan=0A>=0A>=0A>Regard=
s=0A>>Dipanjan Datta=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote :=0A>=
> >Hi,=0A>> >=0A>> >I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2.=
=0A>> >There are traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_AUTH=0A>> >and=
 CREATE_CHILD_SA message from the initiator.=0A>> >=0A>> >What is the relat=
ionship between the traffic selector fields in=0A>> >these different messag=
es? In other words, TSi in IKE_AUTH=0A>> >is as same as TSi in CREATE_CHILD=
_SA or different or=0A>> >one is the subset of the other?=0A>> >=0A>> >Than=
k you very much.=0A>> >=0A>> >Sincerely,=0A>> >fan=0A>> >=0A>> >___________=
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<P>=0AHi Fan,<BR>=0ASee my replies below. If the other members of the maili=
ng list don't agree with my explanations, please correct me.<BR>=0A<BR>=0AR=
egards<BR>=0ADipanjan=A0<BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0AOn Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao w=
rote :<BR>=0A&gt;Hi Dipanjan,<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Thanks for your help.<BR=
>=0A&gt;Please see my reply in line.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;On 14 =
Jun 2007 05:37:08 -0000, DIPANJAN DATTA &lt;<BR>=0A&gt;dipanjandattaofcal@r=
ediffmail.com&gt; wrote:<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;Hi,<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;TSi=
 &amp; TSr fields are applicable only when CHILD SAs are being created.<BR>=
=0A&gt;&gt;CREATE_CHILD_SA is used to create subsequent CHILD SAs after the=
 IKE SA is<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;established. Hence the presence of TSi &amp; TSr f=
ields in a CREATE_CHILD_SA is<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;self-explanatory and also this =
set of TSi &amp; Tsr values are relevant only for<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;this CHILD =
SA which is being created.<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;OK.<BR>=0A&g=
t;<BR>=0A&gt;Now in IKE_AUTH exchange, the previous IKE_SA_INIT exchange is=
<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;authenticated an hence the creation of the IKE SA , which wa=
s started in the<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;IKE_SA_INIT exchange, is completed. Also dur=
ing the IKE_AUTH exchange,<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;creation of the first CHILD SA is =
piggybacked along with this creation of<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;IKE SA.<BR>=0A&gt;&gt=
;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;OK. I see. Is creating a CHILD SA in the IKE_AUTH ex=
change optional? It<BR>=0A&gt;seems not, right?<BR>=0A<BR>=0AReply: It is n=
ot optional. It is mandatory. This is one of the major differences between =
IKEv1 &amp; IKEv2. In IKEv1, it would require exchange of at least 9 messag=
es (6 in Main Mode + 3 in Quick Mode) before the first CHILD SA is created,=
 but in IKEv2 the first CHILD SA is in place just after 4 messages (2 in IK=
E_INIT_SA + 2 in IKE_AUTH).<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Also, SAi1 and SAr1 in the=
 IKE_SA_INIT are used to protect the following<BR>=0A&gt;message exchange<B=
R>=0A&gt;in the IKE_AUTH and the CREATE_CHILD_SA and they have nothing rela=
ted with<BR>=0A&gt;SAi2 offer in the IKE_AUTH exchange and SA in the CREATE=
_CHILD_SA.<BR>=0A&gt;Do I understand correctly?<BR>=0A<BR>=0AReply: You are=
 correct. The SAi1 &amp; SAr1 in IKE_SA_INIT exchange are meant to negotiat=
e parameters for creating only the IKE SA (and not any CHILD SA), which in =
turn is subsequently used to protect the further exchanges like IKE_AUTH, C=
REATE_CHILD_SA or INFORMATIONAL Exchanges.<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;The TSi &am=
p; TSr values present in the IKE_AUTH messages are meant for the<BR>=0A&gt;=
&gt;creation of that particular CHILD SA and has no relation to the IKE SA =
being<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;created or any other CHILD SA, as far as IKEv2 is conce=
rned. Hence this set<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;of TSi &amp; TSr values have no bearing =
to the set of TSi &amp; TSr values present<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;in the CRETE_CHILD=
_SA exchange.<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;OK.<BR>=0A&gt;If the responder only =
accepts a subset of the proposed traffic selectors,<BR>=0A&gt;does the init=
iator change its<BR>=0A&gt;SPD?<BR>=0AReply: If the responder only accepts =
a subset of the proposed traffic selectors, the internal policies of the tw=
o peers will determine whether the initiator will have to change its SPD po=
licies. In many cases the initiator won't have to because the responder hav=
e accepted only a subset of the proposed traffic selectors because the resp=
onder's internal policy dictates that each subset of the proposed traffic s=
electors should have a separate CHILD Sa. In such a case, the initiator wil=
l create separate CHILD SAs with the different subsets of traffic selectors=
 from the original traffic selector set.<BR>=0ABut in cases where the initi=
ator is assigned an internal IP address by the responder (like in a case a =
remote user is trying to connect to his office security gateway) in a Confi=
g payload, the SPD of the initiator will need to be updated with the assign=
ed IP address.<BR>=0A<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Thank you very much.<BR>=0A&gt;<=
BR>=0A&gt;Sincerely,<BR>=0A&gt;fan<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;Regards<=
BR>=0A&gt;&gt;Dipanjan Datta<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;On=
 Thu, 14 Jun 2007 fan zhao wrote :<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;Hi,<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &g=
t;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;I have a question about the traffic selector in IKEv2=
.<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;There are traffic selector fields, TSi and TSr in IKE_=
AUTH<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;and CREATE_CHILD_SA message from the initiator.<BR>=
=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;What is the relationship between the tr=
affic selector fields in<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;these different messages? In ot=
her words, TSi in IKE_AUTH<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;is as same as TSi in CREATE_C=
HILD_SA or different or<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;one is the subset of the other?<=
BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;Thank you very much.<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; =
&gt;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;Sincerely,<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;fan<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &g=
t;<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;_______________________________________________<BR>=
=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;Ipsec mailing list<BR>=0A&gt;&gt; &gt;Ipsec@ietf.org<BR>=0A=
&gt;&gt; &gt;https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec<BR>=0A&gt;&gt;<BR=
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On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 15:43 -0400, Stephen Kent wrote:
> Dan's right.  IKEv2 assumes use of the latest versions of AH and ESP. 
> RFC 4301  requires IKEv2 because 4301 includes the ability to 
> specific selectors that cannot be negotiated via IKEv1. There are a 
> few other reasons for this matching, but I don't remember them right 
> now.
> 
> Steve
> 

Yes, it makes sense. 

However, is it also applicable that IKEv1 assumes
use of older versions of AH and ESP (rfcs 2403 and 2403)?

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On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 10:33:36AM -0500, Joy Latten wrote:
> However, is it also applicable that IKEv1 assumes
> use of older versions of AH and ESP (rfcs 2403 and 2403)?

Modulo extensions outside of 240x that are now part-and-parcel of 430x
(e.g. 64-bit sequence numbers), that's probably correct.

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IPsec working group,

The purpose of this message is to provide an update on the ongoing
IPsec-related work that is taking place within the Robust Header
Compression (RoHC) working group.=20

To reduce the overhead associated with packets protected by IPsec
tunnel-mode SAs, RoHC over IPsec (RoHCoIPsec) proposes to compress the
inner headers of IP packets at the ingress of an IPsec tunnel, and
decompress these headers at the egress.=20

Currently, three drafts specify RoHCoIPsec:=20

"Integration of Robust Header Compression (RoHC) over IPsec Security
Associations" (draft-ietf-rohc-hcoipsec-05)
This draft outlines the framework for integrating Robust Header
Compression (RoHC) over IPsec (RoHCoIPsec).=20

"IKEv2 Extensions to Support Robust Header Compression over IPsec
(RoHCoIPsec)" (draft-ietf-rohc-ikev2-extensions-hcoipsec-02)
This draft describes the IKEv2 extensions required for the operation of
RoHCoIPsec. In summary, this draft specifies the use of the Notify
Payload to negotiate RoHC channel parameters between RoHCoIPsec
instances. Specifically, the Notify payload will be used during the
IKE_AUTH and CREATE_CHILD_SA exchanges to negotiate the RoHCoIPsec
session. Note that this draft will request a new Notify Message Type
value from IANA (denoted ROHC_SUPPORTED) to indicate that the Notify
payload is conveying RoHC channel parameters.

"IPsec Extensions to Support Robust Header Compression over IPsec
(RoHCoIPsec)" (draft-ertekin-rohc-ipsec-extensions-hcoipsec-01)
This draft describes the IPsec extensions required for the operation of
RoHCoIPsec. In summary, this draft specifies several items:
(1) the addition of several processing info fields to the SPD, which
will allow it to include per-channel RoHC parameters. These parameters
will dictate packet disposition for traffic that is to be compressed via
RoHC, and subsequently protected by IPsec.=20
(2) the addition of a "RoHC Data Item" field in the SAD that stores the
negotiated RoHC parameters for each established SA.=20
(3) the use of the "Next Header" field of the AH/ESP header to identify
a RoHC packet headers.

We are soliciting for comments from the IPsec experts on this mailer
regarding all three drafts.=20

Thank you,
=20
Jonah Pezeshki
Consultant
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
(703) 984-0810

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> 
> "Integration of Robust Header Compression (RoHC) over IPsec Security
> Associations" (draft-ietf-rohc-hcoipsec-05)
> This draft outlines the framework for integrating Robust Header
> Compression (RoHC) over IPsec (RoHCoIPsec). 

Couldn't this same be achieved by use of IPsec compression transform
by defining a "RoHC" compression algorithm?



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Section 3.3, first paragraph, fifth sentence: This sentence should
be modified (perhaps replacing may with must) because the
text "multiple IPsec protocols" in RFC4306 has been replaced
with "single IPsec protocol".  But the formulation seems to
allow the following SA payload
=20
    SA payload
        proposal 1
            protocol ID: IKE
            SPI size: 8
            # transforms: 4
            ...
        proposal 2
            protocol ID: ESP
            SPI size: 4
            # transforms: 3
            ...
=20
If such an SA payload appears in an INIT_IKE_SA packet, only proposal 1
can be considered, whereas if the SA payload appears in an IKE_AUTH
packet, only proposal 2 can be considered.
=20
Section 3.3, fifth paragraph: Correction, AH has generally two
transforms and ESP has generally three transforms, because ESN is
mandatory.
=20
Section 3.3, sixth paragraph: Replace 'Transformation Type 2' (which
means PRF) with 'Transformation Type 3' (INTEG).
=20
Section 3.3.2: In the transformation type 3 table, replace RFC 3566 with
RFC 4434.
=20
Section 3.3.6, second paragraph: Assume a CREATE_CHILD_SA packet
is received with
    SA payload
        proposal 1
            D-H=3D2
            ...
        proposal 2
            D-H=3D0
            ...
    KE payload
        D-H=3D2
        ...
Assume the responder wants to pick proposal number 2.  Because the
KE payload refers to D-H=3D2, the responder must return
INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD, event though the responder could just
select proposal 2 and omit the KE payload in the response.
=20
Reading section 3.3 with section 2.7, I should like to understand
how already defined proposals can be augmented.  Suppose ESP some
time in future is augmented with a new optional transformation FUT
(transformation type 6), and this transformation has two values
FUT_OFF =3D 0 and FUT_ON =3D 1.  If the Initiator sends an SA payload
with a single proposal
    SA payload
        proposal 1
            protocol ID: ESP
            ENCR=3DENCR_NULL
            ENCR=3DENCR_DES
            FUT=3DFUT_NULL
            FUT=3DFUT_ON
            ESN=3DESN_OFF
what is the Responder supposed to return?  If the Responder also
knows FUT, no problem.  But if the Responder does not know FUT,
and follows "The accepted cryptographic suite MUST contain exactly
one transform of each type included in the proposal." then the
Responder has to reject the proposal.
=20
A similar situation is relevant for attributes.  Suppose ENCR
transformations allow a new attribute, say AAA.  If the
Initiator wants to use AAA, it may in an SA payload send
        ENCR=3DAES_CBC
             Attribute KeyLength 192
             Attribute AAA "01020304"
If the Responder is not knowing of AAA, it has to avoid this
transformation because of section 3.3.6 ("Any attributes of a selected
transform MUST be returned unmodified.").  Again, it makes it
difficult to add new attributes.
=20
Christian

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Markku,
=20
Thank you for your comment regarding our drafts.  One point that I
failed to clarify in the summary of the drafts (from the previous
e-mail) is that RoHC is not an alternative to IP compression (IPcomp).
IPcomp focuses on algorithmically compressing the contents (i.e.,
payload) of the packet, while RoHC exploits intra- and inter-packet
redundancies of network and transport-layer header fields to effectively
compress packet headers.  Due to this operational difference, RoHC
cannot be defined in the same way as IPcomp is, due to RoHC's need to
dynamically negotiate RoHC channel parameters before operation (thus the
need to extend IKEv2 to negotiate these parameters, and IPsec to store
these values).  Furthermore, it should have been mentioned that the
framework draft (draft-ietf-rohc-hcoipsec-05) and the IPsec extensions
draft (draft-ertekin-rohc-ipsec-extensions-hcoipsec-01) both describe
how RoHCoIPsec and IPcomp can be implemented together in a nested
fashion.

Once again thank you for your comments; hopefully my email addresses
your question.

Jonah

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>=20
> "Integration of Robust Header Compression (RoHC) over IPsec Security=20
> Associations" (draft-ietf-rohc-hcoipsec-05) This draft outlines the=20
> framework for integrating Robust Header Compression (RoHC) over IPsec=20
> (RoHCoIPsec).

Couldn't this same be achieved by use of IPsec compression transform by
defining a "RoHC" compression algorithm?

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At 10:33 AM -0500 6/18/07, Joy Latten wrote:
>On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 15:43 -0400, Stephen Kent wrote:
>>  Dan's right.  IKEv2 assumes use of the latest versions of AH and ESP.
>>  RFC 4301  requires IKEv2 because 4301 includes the ability to
>>  specific selectors that cannot be negotiated via IKEv1. There are a
>>  few other reasons for this matching, but I don't remember them right
>>  now.
>>
>>  Steve
>>
>
>Yes, it makes sense.
>
>However, is it also applicable that IKEv1 assumes
>use of older versions of AH and ESP (rfcs 2403 and 2403)?
>
>Regards,
>Joy

those were the only versions of AH and ESP extant when IKEv1 was 
developed, so to first order, yes. with the newer versions of ESP & 
AH the default is to use 64-bit sequence numbers and there is no way 
to negotiate use of 32-bit sequence numbers, if necessary. that makes 
it less attractive to try to use the new protocols with the old IKE.

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I understand it the way, that client_link_local_interface_id,
link_id, and gateway_link_local_interface_id are interface identifiers,
where client_link_local_interface_id is the identifier the Initiator
suggests for itself, link_id is the identifier the Responder confirms
the Initiator should use (and so client_link_local_interface_id and
link_id may be different), and gateway_link_local_interface_id is the
identifier the Responder uses for its own interface.  To ensure=20
uniqueness (omit duplicate address detection), the link_id and
the gateway_link_local_interface_id are guaranteed to be different.
I guess the Responder's interface id is returned, such that=20
Neighbor Discovery protocol knows the link-local address of the peer.
Do other protocols rely on knowing the peer's link-local address?
=20
Isn't it true, the INTERNAL_IP6_LINK is a new configuration payload
attribute type, and thus has to be assigned a number by IANA (in
section 6).
=20
A link-local address is meant to remain unchanged across renumbering.
To enforce this, I don't think there is a need for a N(LINK_ID)
during rekeying.  Creating a new IKE SA should be sufficient to get
a new interface identifier.
=20
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Subject: I'm sorry to hear that
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:16:07 -1000
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Thanks for your comments, Christian! See my replies below:

Christian.Kaas-Petersen@tietoenator.com wrote:

> I understand it the way, that client_link_local_interface_id,
> link_id, and gateway_link_local_interface_id are interface
> identifiers, where client_link_local_interface_id is the identifier
> the Initiator suggests for itself, link_id is the identifier the
> Responder confirms the Initiator should use (and so
> client_link_local_interface_id and link_id may be different), and
> gateway_link_local_interface_id is the identifier the Responder uses
> for its own interface.

Actually, link_id is not an interface identifier, but an identifier
for the "virtual link", chosen by the responder (and not necessarily
64 bits long). It's used to refer to the "same" link later (in
reauthentication and CREATE_CHILD_SA exchanges).

> To ensure uniqueness (omit duplicate address detection), the link_id
> and the gateway_link_local_interface_id are guaranteed to be
> different.  I guess the Responder's interface id is returned, such
> that Neighbor Discovery protocol knows the link-local address of the
> peer.  Do other protocols rely on knowing the peer's link-local
> address?

I'm not actually sure if returning the Responder's interface ID
is absolutely necessary, but I added it there for symmetry... =20
(ND probably won't need it)

> Isn't it true, the INTERNAL_IP6_LINK is a new configuration payload
> attribute type, and thus has to be assigned a number by IANA (in
> section 6).

You're right; the IANA considerations section doesn't yet match
the solution text (I'm planning to update it when the solutions
gets more stable).

> A link-local address is meant to remain unchanged across
> renumbering.  To enforce this, I don't think there is a need for a
> N(LINK_ID) during rekeying.  Creating a new IKE SA should be
> sufficient to get a new interface identifier.

There's no need to have N(LINK_ID) during IKE_SA rekeying, but it
is necessary when doing reauthentication... (the responder has
to be able to distinguish between creating a new virtual link,
and continuing the same virtual link over the new IKE_SA).

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Christian.Kaas-Petersen@tietoenator.com wrote:

> Section 3.3, first paragraph, fifth sentence: This sentence should
> be modified (perhaps replacing may with must) because the
> text "multiple IPsec protocols" in RFC4306 has been replaced
> with "single IPsec protocol".=20

You're right, it probably should read "MUST contain a single=20
IPsec protocol".

> But the formulation seems to allow the following SA payload
> =20
>     SA payload
>         proposal 1
>             protocol ID: IKE
>             SPI size: 8
>             # transforms: 4
>             ...
>         proposal 2
>             protocol ID: ESP
>             SPI size: 4
>             # transforms: 3
>             ...
> =20
> If such an SA payload appears in an INIT_IKE_SA packet, only
> proposal 1 can be considered, whereas if the SA payload appears=20
> in an IKE_AUTH packet, only proposal 2 can be considered.

It doesn't make much sense to send this kind of SA payload, but the
receiver should still be able to process it correctly.

> Section 3.3, fifth paragraph: Correction, AH has generally two
> transforms and ESP has generally three transforms, because ESN is
> mandatory.

Good catch!
 =20
> Section 3.3, sixth paragraph: Replace 'Transformation Type 2' (which
> means PRF) with 'Transformation Type 3' (INTEG).

Quite right.
 =20
> Section 3.3.2: In the transformation type 3 table, replace=20
> RFC 3566 with RFC 4434.

Yep.
 =20
> Section 3.3.6, second paragraph: Assume a CREATE_CHILD_SA packet
> is received with
>     SA payload
>         proposal 1
>             D-H=3D2
>             ...
>         proposal 2
>             D-H=3D0
>             ...
>     KE payload
>         D-H=3D2
>         ...
> Assume the responder wants to pick proposal number 2.  Because the
> KE payload refers to D-H=3D2, the responder must return
> INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD, event though the responder could just
> select proposal 2 and omit the KE payload in the response.

Sending INVALID_KE_PAYLOAD in this case certainly wasn't the intent,
but you're right that the text doesn't explicitly say this.
I'll add this to my todo list...

> Reading section 3.3 with section 2.7, I should like to understand
> how already defined proposals can be augmented.  Suppose ESP some
> time in future is augmented with a new optional transformation FUT
> (transformation type 6), and this transformation has two values
> FUT_OFF =3D 0 and FUT_ON =3D 1.  If the Initiator sends an SA payload
> with a single proposal
>     SA payload
>         proposal 1
>             protocol ID: ESP
>             ENCR=3DENCR_NULL
>             ENCR=3DENCR_DES
>             FUT=3DFUT_NULL
>             FUT=3DFUT_ON
>             ESN=3DESN_OFF
> what is the Responder supposed to return?  If the Responder also
> knows FUT, no problem.  But if the Responder does not know FUT,
> and follows "The accepted cryptographic suite MUST contain exactly
> one transform of each type included in the proposal." then the
> Responder has to reject the proposal.

Yes, the responder has to reject the proposal if it doesn't
know about FUT. The initiator could have included a second proposal
without the FUT transform type.

> A similar situation is relevant for attributes.  Suppose ENCR
> transformations allow a new attribute, say AAA.  If the
> Initiator wants to use AAA, it may in an SA payload send
>         ENCR=3DAES_CBC
>              Attribute KeyLength 192
>              Attribute AAA "01020304"
> If the Responder is not knowing of AAA, it has to avoid this
> transformation because of section 3.3.6 ("Any attributes of a=20
> selected transform MUST be returned unmodified.").  Again, it=20
> makes it difficult to add new attributes.

Not really -- in the example you give, the initiator clearly says that
it only accepts AES_CBC with AAA "01020304", nothing else.  If the
responder doesn't support this, rejecting the proposal is the=20
correct action.

If the initiator's intent is to also accept AES_CBC without AAA,
it will send two transforms:

   ENCR=3DAES_CBC=20
        Attribute KeyLength 192
   ENCR=3DAES_CBC=20
        Attribute KeyLength 192
        Attribute AAA "01020304"

This encoding might be a bit unefficient if we had a really large
number of optional attributes and transform types -- but during
the last 12+ years of IPsec, we've basically added only ESN.
So I wouldn't worry too much about this..

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And correct processing of the SA in an IKE_AUTH may lead to
proposal 2 being chosen.  Thus if one SA payload has different protocol =
IDs in
different proposals, this fact should not return INVALID_SYNTAX.  (There
could of course be other reasons for returning INVALID_SYNTAX, for
example is the PRF transformation is missing in an IKE proposal.)
=20
Christian=20

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> But the formulation seems to allow the following SA payload
>=20
>     SA payload
>         proposal 1
>             protocol ID: IKE
>             SPI size: 8
>             # transforms: 4
>             ...
>         proposal 2
>             protocol ID: ESP
>             SPI size: 4
>             # transforms: 3
>             ...
>=20
> If such an SA payload appears in an INIT_IKE_SA packet, only
> proposal 1 can be considered, whereas if the SA payload appears
> in an IKE_AUTH packet, only proposal 2 can be considered.

It doesn't make much sense to send this kind of SA payload, but the
receiver should still be able to process it correctly.




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history. It's not as wonky as it may sound, which could be as much a
plus as a minus depending on your appreciation for detail and interest
in engineering.

This dastardly trio spends most of their time getting into trouble, but
at least all of their conning and conniving is for a good reason: the
acquisition of jawbreakers.

Structure-wise, Soling throws it all out there.

The plots are mostly high-concept nonsense with a singular purpose: give
Mork an opportunity to jump on things.
I could do with a little less silliness, but I would never try to talk a
fan of the series out of catching up with an old favorite. More
enjoyably, Peter Weller really digs into some of the topics to be
discussed with experts. While Edd is fixing it, Eddy tells Ed that he
thinks Double-D is an alien since he's so smart. Even when
Robbe-Grillet's direction is taking us along the most confusing routes,
we remain spooked by intense music cues. It's really just a collection
of unused location footage with host Peter Weller, but there is added
insight into the various spots that were visited in the show. Though
there's been no significant clean-up, the episodes are largely clear
with only minimal scratching and fading, and strong colors. actress to
marry David Thomson  Canadian actress Kelly Rowan, best known for her
turn as a wealthy California matriarch on TV soap The O.

File this one under informative educational resource. There's still a
bit of ambiguity, especially in the final scene.

It's very crisp, and colors are rich and vibrant. More enjoyably, Peter
Weller really digs into some of the topics to be discussed with experts.
has opened its books to two firms, Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton, in a
possible move meant to ward off a takeover bid from Alcoa Inc.

Why, buy a women's ice hockey team, of course. "  This piece is also a
blatant excuse to show more topless girls, giving no insight into the
making of the film. Catching it on the Cartoon Network from time to time
myself, I gather that it is an engaging series for preteens.

actress to marry David Thomson  Canadian actress Kelly Rowan, best known
for her turn as a wealthy California matriarch on TV soap The O.

It's wackiness on top of wackiness. I didn't spot any scenes where music
had been noticeably altered, but fans should take note.
Whether intentional or not, the music only amplifies the connection
between this and many Kubrick films.

While not dealing strictly with buildings, the show appropriately takes
the tack that the architecture of the great buildings of the world is
inseparable from the history of those places.
So, the profound influence of design and engineering on history is the
point in this series, and Peter Weller is, perhaps surprisingly, an
effective guide to the highlights.

They're the first thing that one thinks of when considering ancient
Egypt, and we remain in awe of the empire that built them even thousands
of years after it disappeared in the sand. A simple, elongated trip
through a hall becomes an important sequence thanks to the music,
emulating parts of Kubrick's The Shining.

Sure, there's plenty of the nudity and debauchery that we expect from
the franchise, but there's nothing you'll remember for a second after
the end credits roll.

Even when Robbe-Grillet's direction is taking us along the most
confusing routes, we remain spooked by intense music cues.
There are some solid chuckles, many awkward titters, and a few instances
where I was made uncomfortable in an "I'm a bit embarrassed to be
watching this" kind of way.
, are baring their teeth after town council gave third reading to its
controversial zero-tolerance animal control bylaw Tuesday night.

The quality of that episode is off-putting, but the rest of the season
has held up much better.

Mostly, Mork jumps on stuff and Mindy looks first aghast, then chuckles
knowingly.

The buildings of Novgorod are a reminder that that city, not Moscow, was
once the center of Russian culture. Mork needed little more than a
likeable "straight man," and Mindy fit the bill.

That's almost impossible to do though, and the freshness of Mork's
over-the-top zaniness has thoroughly and completely worn off.

"That's the assurance the minister gave us, and you're reiterating for
the public," Mitton said. has opened its books to two firms, Rio Tinto
and BHP Billiton, in a possible move meant to ward off a takeover bid
from Alcoa Inc. Some series work great in marathon doses, whereas this
one is best enjoyed once a week or so with plenty of time off in the
summer.
The location footage is fresh and pretty, and the digital work is done
well and sparingly.

The latest of these was originally titled The Trouble with Frank, and is
now inexplicably called National Lampoon's Pucked.

As an occasional Syracuse University lecturer, Weller has a great voice,
but it's not the only reason he's here.

The series focuses on the continuing adventures of three young boys who
hang out in their suburban neighborhood of Peach Creek Estates.
But that didn't make me dislike The War On The War On Drugs, in fact, I
think I would have preferred a longer take on the subject, minus the
often unfunny funny stuff.




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section 1.3 and chapter 4: A CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange may be
responded with NO_ADDITIONAL_SAS.  This response is used when
responder is unwilling to accept more CHILD SAs.  It should
also be named, that this response is used when responder is
unwilling to rekey an IKE SA.
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section 1.5: The first sentence could start "If an encrypted
IKE request packet arrives ..."  This would clarify, that
handling of strange response packets should be avoided
leaving it to retransmission, exponential backoff, and
final deletion of IKE SA to clean up any mess, because
any node can generate a mysterious response packet with
unknown SPI values.
=20
section 2.1, second paragraph, last sentence: "larger than"
to be replaced with "larger than or equal to".
=20
section 2.2, fifth paragraph.  I think "or it is a
retransmission of an IKE_SA (in which case the responder
ignores it)." is not needed.
=20
section 2.5, eighth paragraph: During implementation
it was not a help with a fixed order.  It has been a
help to work out (a) the count on the number of=20
occurrences (the cardinality) of a payload in a packet=20
and (b) any relations between payloads (for example if=20
KE payload present, then also SA payload must be present),
and (c) any other constraints (for example CP(CFG_REQUEST)=20
may appear only in an IKE request message).
=20
section 2.8.1.  The line "<-- send resp4: D(SPIb1)"
should be "<-- send resp3: D(SPIb1)".
=20
section 2.10: Because PRF functions now have variable
key length, I wonder if the note "and MUST be at least
half the key size of the negotiated prf" is still
relevant.  Maybe it should be suggested, that the
nonce length should be at least half the output length
of the PRF function in order to ensure enough
entropy is provided.
=20
section 2.15, eighth paragraph: The paragraph starts
"This is typically insecure because..."  I think the final
sentence of the previous paragraph should be moved and
become the start of this paragraph.
=20
section 2.17. I suggest the formula for the keying
material is also described as
{ CSK_ei, CSK_ai, CSK_er, CSK_ar } =3D prf+(SK_d, Ni | Nr)
=20
section 2.18, fourth paragraph: Because PRF functions
now have variable key length, I wonder if the final
sentence is still needed.

Christian
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Her magical construct had faded completely, so I let the Logrus slip 
away also. Was that the quality of a Bolshevik.
Applications using this flag must perform file operations carefully, 
because a file cannot be reopened once it is closed. If you are 
currently drawing with the opaque color type, using this procedure 
changes the color of the screen to the color you select from the palette.
The major issues are dealing with established best effort short-cuts, 
when to establish short-cuts, and QoS only short-cuts. This is the 
ISO 10646 comment field.
He was now very annoyed, emphasising this in every possible way. 
Rada, make some tea.
Dressed in wide trousers, and bending slightly forward, he made his 
way towards the platform. It could be done by using an optical 
microscope with a CCD camera to produce several meter large mosaics 
of high-resolution photographs of the chip surface.
What could he do to avoid trouble. My Anti-I was not in the least 
disturbed however.
With her halfway to the saddle, he had suddenly not been sure whether 
she was coming up or he down. He could channel and lift the thing out 
of the ground, or Moiraine could, or Egwene.
Also remember that there is no virtual-8086 mode on 16-bit 
processors. Maybe all this is pure idle talk in vain, A verdant 
soul's illusions with no grounds And something else for me is foreordain'd.
Miss Tox returns early in the day. He had on track shoes with spikes.
Calvin, by speaking honestly, had shocked and offended his pious 
listeners more than Verily's rudeness had. Aronnax," said Captain 
Nemo, rising. "If you will allow me, we will examine the stern of the Nautilus.
He's been with us all the way. The default value for a cached item's 
priority is.
Here I am, in Grandmother's house. String beans had to be cut into 
one-inch pieces.
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Her magical construct had faded completely, so I let the Logrus slip<br>
away also. Was that the quality of a Bolshevik.<br>
Applications using this flag must perform file operations carefully,<br>
because a file cannot be reopened once it is closed. If you are<br>
currently drawing with the opaque color type, using this procedure<br>
changes the color of the screen to the color you select from the palette.<br>
The major issues are dealing with established best effort short-cuts,<br>
when to establish short-cuts, and QoS only short-cuts. This is the<br>
ISO 10646 comment field.<br>
He was now very annoyed, emphasising this in every possible way.<br>
Rada, make some tea.<br>
Dressed in wide trousers, and bending slightly forward, he made his<br>
way towards the platform. It could be done by using an optical<br>
microscope with a CCD camera to produce several meter large mosaics<br>
of high-resolution photographs of the chip surface.<br>
What could he do to avoid trouble. My Anti-I was not in the least<br>
disturbed however.<br>
With her halfway to the saddle, he had suddenly not been sure whether<br>
she was coming up or he down. He could channel and lift the thing out<br>
of the ground, or Moiraine could, or Egwene.<br>
Also remember that there is no virtual-8086 mode on 16-bit<br>
processors. Maybe all this is pure idle talk in vain, A verdant<br>
soul's illusions with no grounds And something else for me is foreordain'd.<br>
Miss Tox returns early in the day. He had on track shoes with spikes.<br>
Calvin, by speaking honestly, had shocked and offended his pious<br>
listeners more than Verily's rudeness had. Aronnax," said Captain<br>
Nemo, rising. "If you will allow me, we will examine the stern of the Nautilus.<br>
He's been with us all the way. The default value for a cached item's<br>
priority is.<br>
Here I am, in Grandmother's house. String beans had to be cut into<br>
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SREA Acquires $75 Million Dollar Asset!

Score One Inc.(SREA)
$0.30

News hit just after close. SREA has acquired the $75 Million peace of
land for the new "Recreation Town" in Dalian. This new project mimics a
Facility in "Shui On" that profited more than $100 Million USD. SREA is
going to go through the roof after this hits investors this weekend. Get
on SREA at open on Monday!

When I started work on the project I thought no one person could do all
this.

Das Bielefelder Weltunternehmen hat nun eine Pizza im Programm, welche
das EU bzw. I know, weirdo, but the scent smells like a candy bar.

I was in college and going to the car wash wasn't on my list of
priorities. English-as-a-Second-Language resources available for
Advanced, Intermediate and Elementary students.

Also, went to a Dodgers vs. Before some bonding sessions of the
white-water variety, the two teams play each other: one way to guarantee
the first Australian Nerds win or draw. Friday night we hit up
Hollywood's The Roosevelt Hotel pool bar, Tropicana, which was a lot of
fun.
I sent her flowers and chocolates.

Anyway, my  boyfriend feels differently about her heading to the pen
though.
Torchwood is not bad. It looked like an incredible place to see a game,
I wish there was something similar in the area now. Wasn't that place
incredible?

Es sind zum Beispiel nackte Frauen! Actor Wendy Richard will be familiar
to EastEnders fans as miserable old git Pauline Fowler, and to everyone
else as the busty Miss Brahms from Are You Being Served? Mogul Durante
Vita Population Statistic His Gal Friday American Drifter TRA LA LA The
Delicious Life LA Foodblogging Eating L. I submitted her for the above
radio opp too, which hopefully will happen soon. Irgendwie haben wir uns
aber leider aus den Augen verloren. That's the annual carbon emission,
in tonnes, of the average Australian household. " There is not much that
could frighten her, at least professionally, after La Vie en Rose. "I
discovered many things.
Find Up-to-date Information  on English topics. Not that I'm looking
anymore, but it's a funny dating guide illustrated with legos and mixed
with some good advice too. We didn't share any laughs?
Take a look at the stand and crepes: Afterwards I walked around the mall
area, but it was too crowded being Father's day and all. Of course she
goes undercover as a barmaid because of her tits.

"He was absolutely not difficult," she assures me.

I can't believe she's still a 'warm-up' - you'd think she would be a
headliner by now. " Anyway, she laughs, if you did try to imitate Piaf,
she would surely come after you. com The Farmer's Market is one of the
few places that I feel at home at in LA. I was not eating my way.
Once inside, carnival dressed actors patrolled the plaza on stilts and
or in weird clothing and face paint. com I must agree that it is
refreshing to know that celebrities that celebrities can't buy their way
out of justice.

It wasn't very crowded but that's because of their strict admittance
policy. Don't hold your breath.
" I was annoyed but didn't want to give in and wipe it away or clean my
car, so I simply wrote next to it, "I like it dirty" and drove around
another week like that.
Since I got there early and having never been before I actually read
their mural about the market's origins. We had to sneak and park in the
Office Depot store lot since all the spaces and garages were filled in
the area and it took forever to move due to all the foot traffic.

Good acting by Courteney who looks gorgeous in it and it's been cool
seeing her character become more human yet deliciously evil.




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	Title		: Short-Term Certificates
	Author(s)	: A. Friedman, et al.
	Filename	: draft-friedman-ike-short-term-certs-02.txt
	Pages		: 12
	Date		: 2007-6-21
	
This document describes an extension to IKEv2 that allows an endpoint
   which has authenticated to a gateway to request a short-term
   credential, possession of which proves the authentication.  This
   allows it to prove to a security gateway that it was already
   authenticated by another trusted security gateway, thereby allowing
   the authentication of the endpoint without user intervention.  This
   credential is a certificate issued by the authenticating gateway for
   a short period of time, which can be used to authenticate the user
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Thanks for your continued fine-toothed review of the document! I have 
incorporated the ones that Pasi responded to earlier in the next 
draft. Some comments below.

At 4:59 PM +0200 6/22/07, <Christian.Kaas-Petersen@tietoenator.com> wrote:
>section 1.3 and chapter 4: A CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange may be
>responded with NO_ADDITIONAL_SAS.  This response is used when
>responder is unwilling to accept more CHILD SAs.  It should
>also be named, that this response is used when responder is
>unwilling to rekey an IKE SA.

That would be a significant change from the current definition of 
that notification. Do other IKEv2 implementers agree that this is a 
good idea?

>section 1.5: The first sentence could start "If an encrypted
>IKE request packet arrives ..."  This would clarify, that
>handling of strange response packets should be avoided
>leaving it to retransmission, exponential backoff, and
>final deletion of IKE SA to clean up any mess, because
>any node can generate a mysterious response packet with
>unknown SPI values.

That wording seems to weaken the statement unnecessarily. If the IKE 
packet is encrypted and it is an unknown SPI, the receiver doesn't 
know how to decrypt it and therefore doesn't know whether it is a 
request.

>section 2.1, second paragraph, last sentence: "larger than"
>to be replaced with "larger than or equal to".

Good catch.

>section 2.2, fifth paragraph.  I think "or it is a
>retransmission of an IKE_SA (in which case the responder
>ignores it)." is not needed.

Can you say why? It seems relenvant to the logic.

>section 2.5, eighth paragraph: During implementation
>it was not a help with a fixed order.  It has been a
>help to work out (a) the count on the number of
>occurrences (the cardinality) of a payload in a packet
>and (b) any relations between payloads (for example if
>KE payload present, then also SA payload must be present),
>and (c) any other constraints (for example CP(CFG_REQUEST)
>may appear only in an IKE request message).

We still want to hear from many other IKEv2 developers on this.

>section 2.8.1.  The line "<-- send resp4: D(SPIb1)"
>should be "<-- send resp3: D(SPIb1)".

Got it.

>section 2.10: Because PRF functions now have variable
>key length, I wonder if the note "and MUST be at least
>half the key size of the negotiated prf" is still
>relevant.  Maybe it should be suggested, that the
>nonce length should be at least half the output length
>of the PRF function in order to ensure enough
>entropy is provided.

The "MUST" is there in order to get enough entropy, so it is still relevant.

>section 2.15, eighth paragraph: The paragraph starts
>"This is typically insecure because..."  I think the final
>sentence of the previous paragraph should be moved and
>become the start of this paragraph.

Indeed.

>section 2.17. I suggest the formula for the keying
>material is also described as
>{ CSK_ei, CSK_ai, CSK_er, CSK_ar } = prf+(SK_d, Ni | Nr)

That is an oversimplification of the list near the end of the section 
because there might not be authentication keys.

Is the following clearer?

CURRENT:

All keys for SAs carrying data from the initiator to the responder 
are taken before SAs going in the reverse direction.

If a single protocol has both encryption and authentication keys, the 
encryption key is taken from the first octets of KEYMAT and the 
authentication key is taken from the next octets.

PROPOSED:
First, extract the key for the SA from the initiator to the responder.
Next, if there is an authentication key, extract the key for the 
authentication from the initiator to the responder.
Next, extract the key for the SA from the responder to the initiator.
Finally, if there is an authentication key, extract the key for the 
authentication from the responder to the initiator.

>section 2.18, fourth paragraph: Because PRF functions
>now have variable key length, I wonder if the final
>sentence is still needed.

Good catch.

Again, thanks for the review. All other IKEv2 implementers should 
consider this a good nudge for them to be doing such a careful review!

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium

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<paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
>
> At 4:59 PM +0200 6/22/07, <Christian.Kaas-Petersen@tietoenator.com> =
wrote:
> >section 1.3 and chapter 4: A CREATE_CHILD_SA exchange may be
> >responded with NO_ADDITIONAL_SAS.  This response is used when
> >responder is unwilling to accept more CHILD SAs.  It should
> >also be named, that this response is used when responder is
> >unwilling to rekey an IKE SA.
>
> That would be a significant change from the current definition of
> that notification. Do other IKEv2 implementers agree that this is a
> good idea?
=20
Maybe the responder is not allowed to send NO_ADDITIONAL_SAS,
but then the responder can send any other error notification
which (according to 3.10.1) the initiator shall understand as
rekeying failed. Is there an assumption, that rekeying of an IKE SA
cannot fail?
=20
>
> >section 1.5: The first sentence could start "If an encrypted
> >IKE request packet arrives ..."  This would clarify, that
> >handling of strange response packets should be avoided
> >leaving it to retransmission, exponential backoff, and
> >final deletion of IKE SA to clean up any mess, because
> >any node can generate a mysterious response packet with
> >unknown SPI values.
>
> That wording seems to weaken the statement unnecessarily. If the IKE
> packet is encrypted and it is an unknown SPI, the receiver doesn't
> know how to decrypt it and therefore doesn't know whether it is a
> request.
=20
Whether the packet is a request or response is told in a flag in the
IKE header, and the IKE header is not encrypted.
=20
> >section 2.2, fifth paragraph.  I think "or it is a
> >retransmission of an IKE_SA (in which case the responder
> >ignores it)." is not needed.
>
> Can you say why? It seems relenvant to the logic.
=20
I mistook the first situation ("it is a retransmission belonging to
an existing "half-open" IKE_SA") to be the same as the third
situation ("it is a retransmission of an IKE_SA").  The difference
is that in the third situation the Initiator has sent an IKE_AUTH
and waits for a response to the IKE_AUTH.  So yes, it is
relevant to the logic.
=20
> >section 2.17. I suggest the formula for the keying
> >material is also described as
> >{ CSK_ei, CSK_ai, CSK_er, CSK_ar } =3D prf+(SK_d, Ni | Nr)
>
> That is an oversimplification of the list near the end of the section
> because there might not be authentication keys.
=20
The original working is OK; the proposed working is also fine.
I just wanted to add a symbolic
representation in the same way as was done for an IKE SA.
To me it is no problem that CSK_ei is named but may have
key length 0.
=20
Christian
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Section 2.19, last paragraph, states clearly, that the responder=20
must not include a CFG_REPLY if it did not receive a CFG_REQUEST.
I think this holds for all use of CP payloads, not just when=20
requesting an internal address on a remote network.  If the
responder nevertheless still adds a CFG_REPLY without having
received a CFG_REQUEST, shall the initiator consider this a=20
failure of the exchange?  (The alternative is that the
initiator just ignores the extraneous CFG_REPLY.)
=20
The following uncertainty relates to section 2.19.1, sixth paragraph.
Is it possible for an attribute in a CFG_REQUEST to be recognized
but not supported?  My first impression would be to say no.
Thus if the responder receives a CFG_REQUEST containing an
INTERNAL_IP6_ADDRESS, and the responder does not recognize IPv6,
it doesn't matter whether the attribute payload has length 0, 17, or
any other value--the attribute is ignored.  However, if recognition
and support are different things, then what is the appropriate=20
response to an INTERNAL_IP6_ADDRESS with length 16?
Does the wrong length lead the responder to answer INVALID_SYNTAX,
or does the lack of support for IPv6 lead the responder to ignore
the attribute?
=20
Finally, in section C.4, CP should be added as optional
payload (at least for the case of creating a CHILD SA, it may
not be that relevant for rekeying a CHILD SA).
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Hi,
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Reading RFC4301 regarding fragmentation in a native host implementation =
puzzles me.
How can we avoid fragmentation on the plaintext side ?

Regard a scenario like

      H1                     SG                         H2
    +-----+                +-----+                    +-----+
    |     |                |     |                    |     |
    |     |<--ESP tunnel-->|     |<--small MTU link-->|     |
    +-----+                +-----+                    +-----+

where H1 (a native host with IPSec) sends packets to H2 via an IPSec =
tunnel to SG.
The packets send by H1 is from an UDP based application which is not =
able to segment the packets, but rely on the IP layer fragmentation.

If H1 only makes fragmentation after IPSec, i.e. on the ciphertext side, =
then these fragments are reassembled at SG before IPSec decapsulated.
The packets might now be too large to forward to H2, and at least for =
IPv6 is SG not allowed to fragment the packet before forwarding it, but =
SG must send an ICMP error message to H1.
H1 listen to this ICMP error, and fragments the packets into smaller =
chunks, but if this fragmentation is done after IPSec processing, then =
again SG reassembles the packets, and can not forward it.

How can we avoid that H1 must do plaintext fragmentation down to the =
pmtu received in IPSec protected ICMP errror messages ?
If H1 do plaintext fragmentation then also native host implementations =
have the problems with mapping non-initial fragments to the correct SA.
=20
Can someone please point out where my misunderstanding is ?
=20
best regards
Inger Bohlbro
=20
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Inger, RFC 4301 section 5.1 alludes to logic to determine whether to 
fragment before or after encapsulation:

"Note that the SA PMTU value, plus the value of the stateful fragment 
checking flag (and the DF bit in the IP header of the outbound packet) 
determine whether the packet can (must) be fragmented prior to or after 
IPsec processing, or if it must be discarded and an ICMP PMTU message is 
sent."

Section 8 describes in more detail what should happen in tunnel mode:

"Case 1: Original (cleartext) packet is IPv4 and has the DF bit set.  The 
implementation SHOULD discard the packet and send a PMTU ICMP message."
"Case 2: Original (cleartext) packet is IPv4 and has the DF bit clear. The 
implementation SHOULD fragment (before or after encryption per its 
configuration) and then forward the fragments.  It SHOULD NOT send a PMTU 
ICMP message."
"Case 3: Original (cleartext) packet is IPv6.  The implementation SHOULD 
discard the packet and send a PMTU ICMP message."

The RFC mentions configuration in case 2, but we can also derive some 
behavior from common sense.  It is necessary to fragment before 
encapsulation (either for a security gateway or for H1 in your diagram) 
based on the known PMTU to the final destination -- as you point out, 
failure to do this can prevent the packet from reaching the final 
destination.  (Here is where the possibility of configuration enters into 
the picture -- if the security and network administrators know a priori 
that this will not be a problem then the pre-encapsulation fragmentation 
can be skipped and all of the problems dealt with by section 7 and 
appendix D are conveniently bypassed.)  It may also be necessary to 
fragment after encapsulation if the packet's new route to the remote 
security gateway indicates a smaller PMTU.  It is thus possible to 
fragment both before and after encapsulation; however, if fragmentation 
occurs before encapsulation, it would be prudent to use the known "outer 
header" PMTU as feedback into that fragmentation so that further 
fragmentation is not necessary after encapsulation.

In short, we cannot avoid fragmentation on the cleartext side without 
jeopardizing the flow of traffic.


Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)
z/OS Communications Server TCP/IP Development
http://scott.andstuff.org/



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06/27/2007 08:41 AM

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[Ipsec] Native host and plaintext side fragmentation






Hi,
 
Reading RFC4301 regarding fragmentation in a native host implementation 
puzzles me.
How can we avoid fragmentation on the plaintext side ?

Regard a scenario like

      H1                     SG                         H2
    +-----+                +-----+                    +-----+
    |     |                |     |                    |     |
    |     |<--ESP tunnel-->|     |<--small MTU link-->|     |
    +-----+                +-----+                    +-----+

where H1 (a native host with IPSec) sends packets to H2 via an IPSec 
tunnel to SG.
The packets send by H1 is from an UDP based application which is not able 
to segment the packets, but rely on the IP layer fragmentation.

If H1 only makes fragmentation after IPSec, i.e. on the ciphertext side, 
then these fragments are reassembled at SG before IPSec decapsulated.
The packets might now be too large to forward to H2, and at least for IPv6 
is SG not allowed to fragment the packet before forwarding it, but SG must 
send an ICMP error message to H1.
H1 listen to this ICMP error, and fragments the packets into smaller 
chunks, but if this fragmentation is done after IPSec processing, then 
again SG reassembles the packets, and can not forward it.

How can we avoid that H1 must do plaintext fragmentation down to the pmtu 
received in IPSec protected ICMP errror messages ?
If H1 do plaintext fragmentation then also native host implementations 
have the problems with mapping non-initial fragments to the correct SA.
 
Can someone please point out where my misunderstanding is ?
 
best regards
Inger Bohlbro
 
TietoEnator A/S
Skanderborgvej 232
DK-8260 Viby J
Denmark
 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Inger, RFC 4301 section 5.1 alludes
to logic to determine whether to fragment before or after encapsulation:</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&quot;Note that the SA PMTU value, plus
the value of the stateful fragment checking flag (and the DF bit in the
IP header of the outbound packet) determine whether the packet can (must)
be fragmented prior to or after IPsec processing, or if it must be discarded
and an ICMP PMTU message is sent.&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Section 8 describes in more detail what
should happen in tunnel mode:</font>
<br>
<ul>
<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&quot;Case 1: Original (cleartext) packet
is IPv4 and has the DF bit set. &nbsp;The implementation SHOULD discard
the packet and send a PMTU ICMP message.&quot;</font>
<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&quot;Case 2: Original (cleartext) packet
is IPv4 and has the DF bit clear. &nbsp;The implementation SHOULD fragment
(before or after encryption per its configuration) and then forward the
fragments. &nbsp;It SHOULD NOT send a PMTU ICMP message.&quot;</font>
<li><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&quot;Case 3: Original (cleartext) packet
is IPv6. &nbsp;The implementation SHOULD discard the packet and send a
PMTU ICMP message.&quot;</font></ul>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The RFC mentions configuration in case
2, but we can also derive some behavior from common sense. &nbsp;It is
necessary to fragment before encapsulation (either for a security gateway
or for H1 in your diagram) based on the known PMTU to the final destination
-- as you point out, failure to do this can prevent the packet from reaching
the final destination. &nbsp;(Here is where the possibility of configuration
enters into the picture -- if the security and network administrators know
<i>a priori</i> that this will not be a problem then the pre-encapsulation
fragmentation can be skipped and all of the problems dealt with by section
7 and appendix D are conveniently bypassed.) &nbsp;It may also be necessary
to fragment after encapsulation if the packet's new route to the remote
security gateway indicates a smaller PMTU. &nbsp;It is thus possible to
fragment both before and after encapsulation; however, if fragmentation
occurs before encapsulation, it would be prudent to use the known &quot;outer
header&quot; PMTU as feedback into that fragmentation so that further fragmentation
is not necessary after encapsulation.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">In short, we cannot avoid fragmentation
on the cleartext side without jeopardizing the flow of traffic.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Scott Moonen (smoonen@us.ibm.com)<br>
z/OS Communications Server TCP/IP Development<br>
http://scott.andstuff.org/</font>
<br>
<br>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[Ipsec] Native host and plaintext side
fragmentation</font></table>
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<br><tt><font size=2>Hi,<br>
 <br>
Reading RFC4301 regarding fragmentation in a native host implementation
puzzles me.<br>
How can we avoid fragmentation on the plaintext side ?<br>
<br>
Regard a scenario like<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;H1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SG &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; H2<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;+-----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;+-----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;+-----+<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; |&lt;--ESP tunnel--&gt;| &nbsp; &nbsp; |&lt;--small
MTU link--&gt;| &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;+-----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;+-----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;+-----+<br>
<br>
where H1 (a native host with IPSec) sends packets to H2 via an IPSec tunnel
to SG.<br>
The packets send by H1 is from an UDP based application which is not able
to segment the packets, but rely on the IP layer fragmentation.<br>
<br>
If H1 only makes fragmentation after IPSec, i.e. on the ciphertext side,
then these fragments are reassembled at SG before IPSec decapsulated.<br>
The packets might now be too large to forward to H2, and at least for IPv6
is SG not allowed to fragment the packet before forwarding it, but SG must
send an ICMP error message to H1.<br>
H1 listen to this ICMP error, and fragments the packets into smaller chunks,
but if this fragmentation is done after IPSec processing, then again SG
reassembles the packets, and can not forward it.<br>
<br>
How can we avoid that H1 must do plaintext fragmentation down to the pmtu
received in IPSec protected ICMP errror messages ?<br>
If H1 do plaintext fragmentation then also native host implementations
have the problems with mapping non-initial fragments to the correct SA.<br>
 <br>
Can someone please point out where my misunderstanding is ?<br>
 <br>
best regards<br>
Inger Bohlbro<br>
 <br>
TietoEnator A/S<br>
Skanderborgvej 232<br>
DK-8260 Viby J<br>
Denmark<br>
 <br>
Mobile: &nbsp; &nbsp;+45 30 91 84 63<br>
E-mail: &nbsp; &nbsp;inger.bohlbro@tietoenator.com<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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</font></tt>
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Reading RFC4301 regarding fragmentation in a native host implementation puz=
zles me.
How can we avoid fragmentation on the plaintext side ?

Regard a scenario like

      H1                     SG                         H2
    +-----+                +-----+                    +-----+
    |     |                |     |                    |     |
    |     |<--ESP tunnel-->|     |<--small MTU link-->|     |
    +-----+                +-----+                    +-----+

where H1 (a native host with IPSec) sends packets to H2 via an IPSec tunnel=
 to SG.
The packets send by H1 is from an UDP based application which is not able
to segment the packets, but rely on the IP layer fragmentation.

If H1 only makes fragmentation after IPSec, i.e. on the ciphertext side,
then these fragments are reassembled at SG before IPSec decapsulated.
The packets might now be too large to forward to H2, and at least
for IPv6 is SG not allowed to fragment the packet before
forwarding it, but SG must send an ICMP error message to H1.
H1 listen to this ICMP error, and fragments the packets into smaller chunks=
, but=20
if this fragmentation is done after IPSec processing, then again SG reassem=
bles the=20
packets, and can not forward it.

How can we avoid that H1 must do plaintext fragmentation down to the pmtu r=
eceived
in IPSec protected ICMP errror messages ?
If H1 do plaintext fragmentation then also native host implementations have=
 the problems
with mapping non-initial fragments to the correct SA.=
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Mhlanga said: "We are happy to be talking part in this programme.
She said a lot could have been accomplished by working together had they
been contacted since the first day of the establishment of the council.
There is nothing flowery and poetic about the current situation in the
country," Mhlanga points out.

Jackson and regrets any embarrassment and unwanted attention the matter
has brought to him.
In one scene, the camera pans over a group of chicks following their
mother hen as a young girl says she would rather have her arm cut off
than live a life ostracized by her family and village. She simply proved
to them that she remains the best she has always been from day one of
the show. "We provide them," Gioia says, "with materials like films,
radio shows, CDs, guides .

Breyer noted separately he would give Morse qualified immunity from the
lawsuit, but did not sign onto the majority's broader free speech limits
on students. The members go a step further by graciously refusing to be
re-elected during elections arguing that power is for the people and the
people have a choice to field new candidates - again villagers.

Still, the report reflects the reality that many more Southern blacks
are enrolling in college. Thandie felt the judges had already killed her
off by the top five stage with their continuous criticism over the last
two weeks. Roberts was supported by Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony
Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Stephen Breyer, and Samuel Alito. Richard
Ingersoll, a professor of education and sociology at the University of
Pennsylvania, says that's unwise.

"It's not that the NEA's grants aren't still being distributed.

"I was not promoting drugs.
I believe Amakhosi stands to benefit more especially on political
theatre.

The results have been disastrous. "In my belief and conviction The Good
President is 'Protest theatre' and I want it to remain like that. School
district apologizes for censoring gay kiss in yearbook - CNN.

So they make it almost impossible to communicate, even when you want to
warn them; o tla wela mo mosimeng. Most of them are deaf.

Thandie felt the judges had already killed her off by the top five stage
with their continuous criticism over the last two weeks. Tremendous
effort was put in the building of the set. That's one characteristic of
a pop star, you must charm women so they buy your music or attend your
shows, just to look at you and scream. But Massachusetts Commissioner of
Education David Driscoll said states are reluctant to create too many
requirements in this area. Breyer noted separately he would give Morse
qualified immunity from the lawsuit, but did not sign onto the
majority's broader free speech limits on students. Other important pale
anthropological discoveries will also be represented to complete the
current account of human evolution as known to scientists today. When
her tricks do not work, she brings a seductive young white woman by the
name of Alma Lou to woo him away and for sometime it looks like Mrs.
"Evaluations are important.
"It was ludicrous," he says.

Moyo, on the other hand, will leave California for a Swedish tour with
Rooftop Promotions where he will be part of the Super Patriots and
Morons cast. GTA Chief Executive Officer, Adv Cawe Mahlati said: "We are
proud to be part of an event which celebrates our culture and heritage.
All the judges showered her with praises this time, after bashing her
over the last two shows. At issue was the discretion schools should be
allowed to limit messages that appear to advocate illegal drug use.

He told Showtime after the show that now that he is in the grand finale,
he feels the dream of singing at the world stage is so near. Jackson and
regrets any embarrassment and unwanted attention the matter has brought
to him. Another artist, Debesh Temesgen, from Cinema Ras criticized the
council for not doing enough on awareness creation among the people on
the concept of the millennium. This resulted in the producers of the
play taking the police to court. "Licensing tests serve a critical
purpose," says the report.

We are sure their input will definitely add that much needed "Botswana
look and feel" which the writer and the director seem to be working
towards.
had never received money from us in direct grants.
A film like this forthcoming production requires a myriad of
professionals - from construction workers through set designers - to
wardrobe, music composers and even painters. Other important pale
anthropological discoveries will also be represented to complete the
current account of human evolution as known to scientists today. Jackson
was not one of our students and our review simply focused on the
suggestive nature of the photograph," the district said.
"I will be the producer and director of Members.

The number represents progress but it also has to be seen in context.
There is nothing flowery and poetic about the current situation in the
country," Mhlanga points out. ' I see God stretching out his arm to
touch the reclining Adam's finger.

He remarked: Ba a felela jaanong di-Metronome.

Relevant Links Southern Africa Zimbabwe Arts, Culture and Entertainment
United States, Canada and Africa "So, from mid September, The Good
President will be running.

"We provide them," Gioia says, "with materials like films, radio shows,
CDs, guides .

The majority of teachers go through undergraduate education programs at
colleges or universities.

Richard Ingersoll, a professor of education and sociology at the
University of Pennsylvania, says that's unwise. "I cannot alter the
truth. In one scene, the camera pans over a group of chicks following
their mother hen as a young girl says she would rather have her arm cut
off than live a life ostracized by her family and village.
Apart from trying to use the millennium event for political grudges, the
artists said there was another aspect of the Diaspora.

By the end of the week Showtime followers will know who gets the rare
opportunity to have a record deal with music giants, EMI of the United
Kingdom.
Music, by its very nature, must be shared.
Said Mhlanga: "When we return to Zimbabwe the first thing would be to
show The Good President to the people of Matabeleland.

But states, which approve these schools, set weak standards for them,
according to the report.




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Sometimes you just had to follow your heart. Anxiously, he looked at<br>
the alleys and shuttered windows and barred doors.<br>
The following controls appear in this dialog box. But whatever you<br>
do, consider grabbing each of these for the sake of your personal<br>
computer's security.<br>
With the exception of WindowsNT (see note above), we do not make any<br>
changes to your system files nor do we store files in your Windows<br>
directory. Click here to take the tour.<br>
We could have anything turn up, anyway. The following fields are<br>
defined in the Statics class and are most relevant to objects of type MontageBvr.<br>
The following functions are used with volume mount points. He almost<br>
looked forward to those cool, challenging stares.<br>
As soft countries the GRU includes Finland, Ireland and Austria among<br>
others. It is decoupled by using a queuing scheme rather than<br>
callbacks, because events can be notified from worker threads that<br>
cannot safely call back into application code.<br>
Just telephone the speaking clock if you don't believe me - tied to<br>
electricity, it's usually a few hours wrong. In his decision, the<br>
judge thanked Mr.<br>
Therefore, this ALIGN attribute is not fully deprecated as it is for<br>
many other elements. There will be no more than ten Category 0<br>
soldiers in a whole motor-rifle division--they will go to the 8th<br>
department of the divisional staff.<br>
The following fields are defined in the Statics class and are most<br>
relevant to objects of type MontageBvr. It can be easily predicted<br>
that such global television networks will continue to penetrate all<br>
the corners of the earth.<br>
But I might believe that watch. The air was so clear that Enoch<br>
imagined, if he strained his eyes a little, he could see every<br>
feather in those outspread wings.<br>
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just ground out the first million digits of pi, it isn't random at all.<br>
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