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Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:52:25 +0100 Received: by G9JBR.mgb01.telekom.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:52:24 +0100 Message-Id: From: "Alexeitsev, D" To: iptel@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h23F1Ap23229 Subject: [Iptel] tel: URI resolution Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:52:22 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All To kick-off the discussion on tel: URI resolution I would like to share some initial ideas on this subject: There are two major possibilities for tel: URI resolution 1) The general one using DNS/ENUM system as described in RFC 2913 § 7.3 Example 3. The additional consideration may be given to the fact that probably not all complete e.164 numbers will be put in to the DNS, but just CC, NDC or parts of SN thus changing the NAPTR in the example to something like: given the tel:+1-770-555-1212 $ORIGIN 7.1.e164.arpa IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "sip+E2U" "change to sip:+1-770-555-1212@provider.com;user=phone" IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "mailto+E2U" "change to mailto:+1-770-555-1212@provider.com" then one would resolve the sip: URI following the 3263 procedures 2) Not so general one that is probably more interesting for special propose clients (SIP only, HTTP only, SMTP only,...) This mechanism is based on the RFC 2169 where an update for SIP would be strait-forward, but the general description could be used in the draft-antti-rfc2806bis to keep tel: URI protocol independent, i.e. resolvable using http, sip, smtp,... An option could be to say that if tel: URI resolves (among others) to the URL of the protocol that is being user for it's resolution, then instead reporting back the resolver may continue with the session setup using resolved URL. And only in the case that the session setup fails report the URLs of other protocols. Of course this mechanisms do not exclude each other but can be combined in a particular network architecture. Greetings, Denis Alexeitsev _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 3 10:46:19 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00275 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h23FuMB28639 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:56:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h23FuMp28636 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:56:22 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00244 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h23Fu3p28570; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:56:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h23FsPp28431 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:54:25 -0500 Received: from mail.somanetworks.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00099 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8416 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2003 15:45:53 -0000 Received: from nymph.yyz.somanetworks.com (HELO somanetworks.com) (dzinman@[10.11.10.19]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.somanetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Mar 2003 15:45:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3E6378A9.20708@somanetworks.com> From: David Zinman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iptel@ietf.org Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-trip-mib-05.txt Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030600090008030604000801" Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:45:45 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030600090008030604000801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Changes from previous draft: Changed the notification tripEstablished to tripConnectionEstablished and added the peer address information. Added tripConnectionDropped to inform when the trip FSM leaves the established state for a peer connection. Combined tripRouteTypeTable and tripPeerRouteTypeTable General cleanup and comment revision --- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-trip-mib-05.txt > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Management Information Base for Telephony Routing over > IP (TRIP) > Author(s) : D. Zinman, D. Walker, J. 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Zinman, D. Walker, J. Jiang > Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-trip-mib-05.txt > Pages : 45 > Date : 2003-2-27 > > This memo defines a portion of the MIB (Management Information Base) > for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. > In particular, it describes a set of managed objects that are used > to manage for TRIP (Telephony Routing over IP) devices. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-trip-mib-05.txt > > To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to > ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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(ii) section 7.3 example 3? Also, note that RFC2169 is Experimental. * Whoa! I suspect that this is the wrong list for ENUM basic operation, but... ENUM is used to publish data for a fully qualified E.164 number, not a number range. Thus it is NOT probable that "CC, NDC or parts of SN" would be used in ENUM; It's all defined in rfc2916 (and rfc2916bis-03.txt). * See also ETSI TS 102 172. This covers the European systems (see example in there for a syntactically correct "range" suggestion as I think you're trying to write here). * In general, RFC2806 (and I-Ds 2806bis) cover this topic, with RFC2916 (and RFC3402-3405 , along with I-Ds 2916bis). Thus please explain what this proposal is intended to do. It seems to be intended as an alternative, so is DT now changing its position on ENUM? best regards, Lawrence ---- At 3:52 pm +0100 3/3/03, Alexeitsev, D wrote: >Hello All > >To kick-off the discussion on tel: URI resolution I would like to >share some initial ideas on this subject: > >There are two major possibilities for tel: URI resolution > >1) The general one using DNS/ENUM system as described in RFC 2913 § >7.3 Example 3. >The additional consideration may be given to the fact that probably >not all complete e.164 numbers will be put in to the DNS, but just >CC, NDC or parts of SN thus changing the NAPTR in the example to >something like: > >given the tel:+1-770-555-1212 > >$ORIGIN 7.1.e164.arpa >IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "sip+E2U" "change to >sip:+1-770-555-1212@provider.com;user=phone" >IN NAPTR 100 10 "u" "mailto+E2U" "change to >mailto:+1-770-555-1212@provider.com" > >then one would resolve the sip: URI following the 3263 procedures > >2) Not so general one that is probably more interesting for special >propose clients (SIP only, HTTP only, SMTP only,...) >This mechanism is based on the RFC 2169 where an update for SIP >would be strait-forward, but the general description could be used >in the draft-antti-rfc2806bis to keep tel: URI protocol independent, >i.e. resolvable using http, sip, smtp,... > >An option could be to say that if tel: URI resolves (among others) >to the URL of the protocol that is being user for it's resolution, >then instead reporting back the resolver may continue with the >session setup using resolved URL. And only in the case that the >session setup fails report the URLs of other protocols. > >Of course this mechanisms do not exclude each other but can be >combined in a particular network architecture.  > >Greetings, >Denis Alexeitsev -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roke Manor Research : This information is provided "as is" and is not : intended to create any contractual or legal : relationship. _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 3 23:16:08 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23201 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h244QQk21684 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:26 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h244QQp21681 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:26 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA23193 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h244QDp21659; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:26:13 -0500 Received: from devil.dreamtms.com ([211.48.7.179]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h244PLp21624 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:25:21 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by devil.dreamtms.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:16:17 +0900 From: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?XCjB1lwpteW4ssa8v6W/ob26?= Thread-Topic: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?W7GksO1dwM7FzbPdwLi3ziC3zrbHNjQ1IMfYILq4vMy9wA==?= =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?tM+x7j8gQA==?= To: thread-index: AcLh+3rh8dLi6zcqSRKinX+mpq2DIQ== Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E247.265D2870" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Priority: normal Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2003 04:16:17.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD8112D0:01C2E204] Subject: [Iptel] =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?W7GksO1dwM7FzbPdwLi3ziC3zrbHNjQ1IMfYILq4vMy9wA==?= =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?tM+x7j8gQA==?= Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:38:33 +0900 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E247.265D2870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =C3=DF=C8=C4 = =B0=FC=B7=C3 =B8=DE=C0=CF =BC=F6=BD=C5=C0=BB =BF=F8=C4=A1 =BE=CA=C0=B8=BD=C3=B8=E9 =BC=F6=BD=C5=B0=C5=BA=CE=B8=A6 = =C5=AC=B8=AF=C7=D8 =C1=D6=BD=CA=BD=C3=BF=E4. = =20 _____ =20 =B1=CD=C7=CF=C0=C7 =B8=DE=C0=CF=C1=D6=BC=D2=B4=C2 =C0=A5 = =BC=AD=C7=CE=C1=DF lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-discuss/2002Nov/0042.html(2003-01-20 =BF=C0=C0=FC 12:40:00) =BF=A1=BC=AD =BE=CB=B0=D4 = =B5=C8=B0=CD=C0=CC=B8=E7=20 e-mail =C1=D6=BC=D2 =BF=DC=BF=A1 =B4=D9=B8=A5 =C1=A4=BA=B8=B4=C2 = =B0=AE=B0=ED =C0=D6=C1=F6 =BE=CA=BD=C0=B4=CF=B4=D9.=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 = =C8=B8=BB=E7=BC=D2=B0=B3 l = =B0=B3=C0=CE=C1=A4=BA=B8=BA=B8=C8=A3=C1=A4=C3=A5 l = =C0=CC=BF=EB=BE=E0=B0=FC l =C1=A6=C8=DE = =B9=D7 =B1=A4=B0=ED=B9=AE=C0=C7 l webmaster@dream4all.co.kr =20 (=C1=D6)=B5=E5=B8=B2=C6=BC=BF=A5=BF=A1=BD=BA = =B4=EB=C7=A5=C0=DA=B8=ED:=C0=E5=BF=B5=C3=E1 = =BC=AD=BF=EF=C6=AF=BA=B0=BD=C3 =B0=AD=B3=B2=B1=B8 =BB=EF=BC=BA=B5=BF = 41-7 =BE=BE=C6=BC=BA=F4=B5=F9 1=C3=FE =B0=B3=C0=CE=C1=A4=BA=B8 = =B0=FC=B8=AE=C3=A5=C0=D3=C0=DA:=C0=FC=B7=AB=BB=E7=BE=F7=BA=CE = =BA=CE=C0=E5 = =B9=DA=BC=BA=C1=F8/=BB=E7=BE=F7=C0=DA=B5=EE=B7=CF=B9=F8=C8=A3:120-86-3041= 9/=C5=EB=BD=C5=C6=C7=B8=C5=BE=F7=BD=C5=B0=ED=B9=F8=C8=A3:=B0=AD=B3=B2-660= =C8=A3 =B0=ED=B0=B4=BB=F3=B4=E3=C0=FC=C8=AD:02.512.7862 / Fax:02.521.7863 = Copyright=A8=CF2000-2002 DreamTMS All rights reserved. =09 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E247.265D2870 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit :: 365ÀÏ Çà¿îÀÌ ³ÑÄ¡´Â Dream4all ::
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E244.523A4840-- _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 5 03:32:45 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21710 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h258hbn04808 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:43:37 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h258ha504805 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:43:36 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21697 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h258hH504779; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:43:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h258g8504723 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:42:08 -0500 Received: from mail1.telekom.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21646 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from g9jbr.mgb01.telekom.de by G8SBV.dmz.telekom.de with ESMTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:31:13 +0100 Received: by G9JBR.mgb01.telekom.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:31:12 +0100 Message-Id: From: "Alexeitsev, D" To: lwc@roke.co.uk Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Iptel] tel: URI resolution MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:31:10 +0100 Hello All, Lawrence comments inline Hi Folks, * Sorry, but I can't find the references: (i) RFC2913? (ii) section 7.3 example 3? Also, note that RFC2169 is Experimental. [DA] Sorry the RFC number is 2915 "The Naming Authority Pointer (NAPTR) DNS Resource Record" Yes the RFC2169 is Experimental as for June 1997. Nowadays the mechanisms described in that RFC already present in SIP spec in general form. Tel: URI draft could clarify them and probably propose general solution for resolution on the broader family of protocols (http, sip, smtp,...) * Whoa! I suspect that this is the wrong list for ENUM basic operation, but... ENUM is used to publish data for a fully qualified E.164 number, not a number range. Thus it is NOT probable that "CC, NDC or parts of SN" would be used in ENUM; It's all defined in rfc2916 (and rfc2916bis-03.txt). [DA]Agree, in this case we could simply reference the ENUM work with an example as one of the possible resolution methods. * See also ETSI TS 102 172. This covers the European systems (see example in there for a syntactically correct "range" suggestion as I think you're trying to write here). * In general, RFC2806 (and I-Ds 2806bis) cover this topic, with RFC2916 (and RFC3402-3405 , along with I-Ds 2916bis). Thus please explain what this proposal is intended to do. It seems to be intended as an alternative, so is DT now changing its position on ENUM? [DA] Sure there are several RFCs and I-Ds talking about general URI resolution and particular resolution of E.164 numbers. My proposal was to identify and bring them together in a compact form in the TBD section 2.1 of draft-antti-rfc2806bis-08.txt. If the resolution methods identified in the section 2.1 will not fit in to particular network architecture we may come with the proposal. Greetings, Denis Alexeitsev _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Mar 6 02:07:26 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA22872 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h267IKt07032 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:18:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h267IKO07029 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:18:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA22333 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h267I8O07016; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:18:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h267HeO06985 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:17:40 -0500 Received: from emztd1221.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA21316 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:05:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200303060705.CAA21316@ietf.org> From: "UKA KALU" Reply-To: ukalu@epatra.com To: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h267HeO06986 Subject: [Iptel] CONSIDER IT Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:52:22 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FROM:Mr.UKA KALU, AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT ECO BANK PLC OF NIGERIA. I am Mr. Uka Kalu, the director in charge of auditing and accounting section of ECO BANK PLC LAGOS NIGERIA BRANCH. With due respect and regard, I have decided to contact you on a business transaction that will be very beneficial to both of us. During our investigation and auditing in this bank, my department came across a very huge sum of money belonging to a deceased person who died on October 31st 1997 in a auto crash and the fund has been dormant in his account with this Bank since 1996 without any claim of the fund in our custody either from his family or relation. A close investigation revealed that the deceased has no existing relation as next of kin. The said amount is U.S $13million, I want you to collaborate with me to put a claim on this money as the next of kin of the deceased account holder, Mr Duckson Fritz.I and my colleague will present you as the next of kin. Meanwhile all arrangement to put claim over this fund as the bonafide next of kin to the deceased, get the required approval and transfer this money to your designated foreign bank account has been putin place and directives and needed information will be relayed to you as soon as you indicate your interest and willingness to assist us in this risk free and highly confidential transaction. On your reply, we shall discuss the sharing ratio for each party to this transaction. Please feel free to contact me immediately via mail: for further directive and or clarification on this transaction.. I look forward to a mutually beneficial business relationship withyou. Best wishes, UKA KALU _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Mar 7 06:40:43 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19917 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h27BqBv14990 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:52:11 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h27BqBO14987 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:52:11 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19899 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h27BptO14955; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:51:55 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h27BnMO14827 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:49:22 -0500 Received: from wtnserver (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19852 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from EI2 by wtnserver with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.2.R) for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:33:01 +0100 From: "The Tech News" To: iptel@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf"; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 8.0.22 X-MDRcpt-To: iptel@ietf.org X-Return-Path: editor@the-tech-news.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: iptel@ietf.org Reply-To: editor@the-tech-news.com Message-ID: Subject: [Iptel] Special report on technological development Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:30:34 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Tech News, March 2003 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program =22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and necessary support for production in series of Mini- plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the=20platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for=20production.=22 More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for=20Construction Framework, Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Fa=E7ades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene=20Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups, Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags=20and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material, Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc.=20 Science Network has started a Co-investment program for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants=20of portable production on site, region or country where required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be=20connected to the World Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic=20transactions for world trade. Due to financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the best solution is setting up assembly plants on the same countries and=20regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) Science Network participates at 50% (fifty percent) for investment of each Assembly plant. Request more information: Letters to the Editor By Robert B. Lethe, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion =22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de=20Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de Mini-plantas esta dise=F1ado de forma que todas las maquinas=20de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir,=20completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento est=E1n listas para producir.=22=20 Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producci=F3n de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de=20neumaticos, Curvado de hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada,=20Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras,=20etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de=20asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.) Science Network ha puesto en marcha un programa de Co-inversion para la instalacion de peque=F1as Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar=20en serie las Mini-plantas de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las caracter=EDsticas relevantes es el hecho=20de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias,=20materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional. Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos=20paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Science Network participa al 50% en la inversion de cada Planta ensambladora. Solicitar mas informacion: Letters to the Editor Robert B. Lethe, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in subject field,=20Thanks. Editor =A9 2002 The Tech News. 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The Tech News, March 2003

Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program

=22...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and necessary support for production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production.=22

More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework, Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Façades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups, Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material, Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc.

Science Network has started a Co-investment program for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable production on site, region or country where required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade.

Due to financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the best solution is setting up assembly plants on the same countries and regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.)

Science Network participates at 50% (fifty percent) for investment of each Assembly plant.

Request more information: Letters to the Editor

By Robert B. Lethe, Editor


Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion

=22...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de Mini-plantas esta diseñado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento están listas para producir.=22

Mas de 700 sistemas de produccion portatil: Panaderias, Producción de clavos de acero, Electrodos para soldadura, Recauchutado de neumaticos, Curvado de hierro para armaduras de construccion, Lamina perfilada para cubiertas, techos y cerramientos de fachada, Bidones de chapa, Cubos de aluminio, Menaje de polipropileno inyectado, Piezas de melamina prensada (vasos, platos, tazas, cafeteras, etc.) Silenciadores para vehiculos, Malla electrosoldada para la construccion, Bolsas y envases de plastico, Unidades moviles de asistencia medica, Material sanitario (jeringas hipodermicas, Pinzas hemostaticas, etc.)

Science Network ha puesto en marcha un programa de Co-inversion para la instalacion de pequeñas Plantas ensambladoras para fabricar en serie las Mini-plantas de produccion portatil, en el lugar, region o pais que lo necesite. Una de las características relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional.

Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.)

Science Network participa al 50% en la inversion de cada Planta ensambladora.

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You can find the draft at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-cpl-schema-02.txt The following is the abstract of the draft and the changes from previous draft. Abstract This document provides an Extensible Markup Language (XML) Schema for the Call Processing Language (CPL). The original CPL specification only provides a Document Type Declaration (DTD) to describe the structure of the language. Compared with XML DTDs, XML schemas have many advantages such as performing stricter type checking, providing pre-defined data types and being able to derive new data types from existing ones. We further split the CPL schema into two parts, one contains elements common to all the telecommunication entities, such as user agents or presence agents. The other contains elements, such as 'proxy', specifically for network servers. 5.1 Changes from Draft -01 o Split the original CPL schema into two parts. One is the base schema with common elements applicable to all the entities, such as user agents or presence agents. The other is the schema specifically for network servers, such as proxy or redirect servers. o Add three abstract elements, namely trigger, switch and action. Trigger is mapped to the top-level call processing action in the original CPL standard. All the new triggers MUST be the substitutionGroup of the abstract trigger element. Switch and action are the same as those defined in the original CPL standard. All the new switches MUST be the substitutionGroup of the abstract switch element. All the new actions MUST be the substitutionGroup of the abstract action element. o Add IANA considerations for URN Sub-Namespace registration. o Remove useless type CommaDelimiterType. o Separate normal and informal references. Thanks! -Xiaotao ========================================================== Name : Xiaotao Wu Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu, xiaotaow@hotmail.com Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (801)751-0217 Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu Office : Room 506, Mudd building, West 120th ========================================================== _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 12 10:34:05 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08025 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2CFm4d21092 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:48:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2CFm3O21089 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:48:03 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08018 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2CFl2O21042; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:47:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2CFk4O20988 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:46:04 -0500 Received: from cs.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07980 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisalpino.cs.columbia.edu (cisalpino.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.194]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2CFXgSx027230 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: Xiaotao Wu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Iptel] 'time' element in XML schema for CPL Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:42 -0500 (EST) Hi, all, I am trying to define XML schema for CPL since XML schema has many advantages over XML DTD. However, there are some difficulties in defining the 'time' element in 'time-swtich'. CPL follows the iCalendar standard (RFC 2445) for time definition. There is an XML definition (an IETF draft) for iCalendar, however, that's also based on XML DTD. XML Schema provides several data types for time, such as 'xs:dateTime', 'xs:time'. I have to say, the time defined in CPL and iCalendar is more powerful than that defined in XML schema. However, since we are using XML schema, we may need to have a format with using the XML Schema pre-defined data types. This may cause backward compatibility problem with original CPL standard. Several changes may needd for defining the 'time' element. They are listed as below: 1) Use space delimited list. XML Schema only support 'space' as delimiter. However, in iCalendar, it uses 'comma' as delimiter. 2) Use xs:dateTime replace RFC 2445 DATE-TIME 3) Use xs:duration replace RFC 2445 DURATION 4) The tzid and tzurl is still necessary though the xs:dateTime already contains time zone information. But the byhour attribute still need time zone information. Unless we use xs:time as the type for byhour. But xs:time also contains minute and second. 5) Keep the others the same To provide service like "Call Mom at 9:00AM every Thanksgiving (4th Thursday of November)" CPL fragment is like: In XML Schema, no pre-defined way to represent Thanksgiving. In CPL, it provides such way. However, it's not easy to represent the string like "+4TH" in XML schema, unless using string pattern. The string pattern looks awful. Several ways to define the string pattern, they are listed as below. Please comments. ** Long format, with the number as 0~366 ** Long format, simplified, with the number as 0~999 ** Seems this one is easier to understand ** More readable, but with annotation indicating this is case-insensitive (XML schema is case-sensitive, and no date type for weekday) case-insensitive ** More readable, no restriction on number, since for yearly, monthly weekly, the number range is different any way. case-insensitive for yearly, number range from -365~365 for monthly, number range from -30~30 for weekly, number range from -6~6 Thanks! -Xiaotao ========================================================== Name : Xiaotao Wu Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu, xiaotaow@hotmail.com Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (801)751-0217 Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu Office : Room 506, Mudd building, West 120th ========================================================== _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Mar 16 21:33:19 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA16477 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H2nTB12421 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:49:29 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H2nTO12418 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:49:29 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA16466 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H2nHO12405; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:49:17 -0500 Received: from dreamwiz.com ([211.49.210.238]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h2H2mSO12360 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:48:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200303170248.h2H2mSO12360@www1.ietf.org> From: ±è¹ÌÁ¤ To: iptel@www1.ietf.org Reply-To: chess33@dreamwiz.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Subject: [Iptel] <±¤°í>ÀÚµ¿Â÷º¸Çè·á15%,5³â°£È¯±Þ,GPS±â°èÇÒÀÎ! 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_______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Mar 16 23:37:02 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA19349 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H4rFU20054 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:53:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H4rFO20051 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:53:15 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA19319 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H4r5O20031; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:53:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H4oDO19920 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:50:13 -0500 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA19158; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2H4ZWhs010685; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from CJ650 (ssh-sjc-1.cisco.com [171.68.225.134]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.1-GA) with SMTP id ACI57788; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:35:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Cullen Jennings" To: Cc: "Jonathan Rosenberg" , , Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Message-Flag: Follow up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] IPTEL Agenda proposal Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:37:51 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IP Telephony WG (IPTEL) Tuesday, March 18 at 1700-1800 (Room Continental 1-4) ================================ CHAIRS: Jonathan Rosenberg Cullen Jennings AGENDA: 5 min Agenda bashing - Chairs 5 min Status Update - Chairs 20 min 2806bis http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-antti-rfc2806bis-08.txt - Context issues - Other issues 10 min Other tel related drafts http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yu-tel-url-07.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-peterson-tel-cpc-01.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-tel-svc-00.txt 10 min Other URI schemes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enum-uri-01.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enumservice-vovi-00.txt May discuss http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilde-sms-uri-03.txt 10 min Work needed before closing? Charter Update - Chairs LINKS: Mailing list: iptel@ietf.org Archive: www.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/iptel WG web page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/iptel-charter.html Additional page: http://www.softarmor.com/iptel/ _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 12:22:50 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21240 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHdJf18226 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:39:19 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHdIO18223 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:39:18 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21223 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHd4O18209; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:39:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHcKO18182 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:38:20 -0500 Received: from joy.songbird.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21203; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rshockeybox.shockey.us (wl-140-161.wireless.ietf56.ietf.org [130.129.140.161]) by joy.songbird.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHMiQ11845; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:22:44 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030317121958.049f5eb0@shockey.us> X-Sender: richard@shockey.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: "Cullen Jennings" , From: Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [Iptel] IPTEL Agenda proposal Cc: "Jonathan Rosenberg" , , In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:23:10 -0500 At 08:37 PM 3/16/2003 -0800, Cullen Jennings wrote: >I >10 min >Other URI schemes >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enum-uri-01.txt Cullen the enumservice vovi draft is being handled in the ENUM WG along with all of the enumservice drafts not outside other WG's scope. The ENUM uri is defiantly a IPTEL document. This misunderstanding occurred because of a innocent misdirection from the ID editors.. Apologies for the misunderstanding >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enumservice-vovi-00.txt > >May discuss >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilde-sms-uri-03.txt > >10 min >Work needed before closing? >Charter Update - Chairs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 Voice +1 571.434.5651 Cell : +1 314.503.0640, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 13:17:48 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23360 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HIYIi22136 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:34:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HIYIO22133 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:34:18 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23350 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HIY5O22103; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:34:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HIXnO22077 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:33:49 -0500 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23322; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2HIIkEY002645; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from CJ650 (ssh-sjc-1.cisco.com [171.68.225.134]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.1-GA) with SMTP id ACI92702; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Cullen Jennings" To: "Richard Shockey" , Cc: "Jonathan Rosenberg" , Subject: RE: [Iptel] IPTEL Agenda proposal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030317121958.049f5eb0@shockey.us> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:21:04 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the clarification. I will remove it. Actually the only topic I wanted to discuss was if it was appropriate to consider it in iptel or not. Glad that is already decided (and agree with the decision). Cullen > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Shockey [mailto:richard@shockey.us] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:23 AM > To: Cullen Jennings; iptel@ietf.org > Cc: Jonathan Rosenberg; fluffy@cisco.com; agenda@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Iptel] IPTEL Agenda proposal > > > At 08:37 PM 3/16/2003 -0800, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > >I > >10 min > >Other URI schemes > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enum-uri-01.txt > > Cullen the enumservice vovi draft is being handled in the ENUM WG along > with all of the enumservice drafts not outside other WG's scope. > > The ENUM uri is defiantly a IPTEL document. > > This misunderstanding occurred because of a innocent misdirection > from the > ID editors.. > > Apologies for the misunderstanding > > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enumservice-vo > vi-00.txt > > > >May discuss > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilde-sms-uri-03.txt > > > >10 min > >Work needed before closing? > >Charter Update - Chairs > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives > NeuStar Inc. > 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 > Voice +1 571.434.5651 Cell : +1 314.503.0640, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 > or > ; > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 22:21:14 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14990 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2I3buB31759 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:37:56 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2I3buO31756 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:37:56 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14943 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2I3bGO31365; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:37:16 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2I3apO30924 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:36:51 -0500 Received: from shaw.ca (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA14909 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: lindaRevemdpudy@shaw.ca Message-ID: <000001c2cb52$cec42418$30137727@vdstjpv.jqt> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_41A32B6E.D5833C33" X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Importance: Normal Subject: [Iptel] Boost cell phone reception! 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Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:34:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E780F31.70808@dynamicsoft.com> From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xiaotao Wu CC: iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Iptel] 'time' element in XML schema for CPL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:33:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, before we get into details, I think we need to ask the question of whether folks are interested in developing a schema for CPL. Here are my thoughts on this. I believe that any such schema would need to be compatible with the DTD. Specifically, any CPL which validates against the DTD must also be valid against the schema, and anything which is not valid against the DTD cannot be valid against the schema. Otherwise, we break interoperability, and I dont see the value in that. Breaking interop just to enable schema validation seems backwards. So, although I like schemas, it is not clear to me that there is value in expending IETF resources to develop a schema. I could be convinced if there were a specific protocol problem that such a change was solving. But, defining a schema just to have a schema, doesnt seem that useful. Thanks, Jonathan R. Xiaotao Wu wrote: > Hi, all, > > I am trying to define XML schema for CPL since XML schema has many > advantages over XML DTD. However, there are some difficulties in defining > the 'time' element in 'time-swtich'. > > CPL follows the iCalendar standard (RFC 2445) for time definition. There > is an XML definition (an IETF draft) for iCalendar, however, that's also > based on XML DTD. XML Schema provides several data types for time, such as > 'xs:dateTime', 'xs:time'. > > I have to say, the time defined in CPL and iCalendar is more powerful > than that defined in XML schema. However, since we are using XML > schema, we may need to have a format with using the XML Schema pre-defined > data types. This may cause backward compatibility problem with original > CPL standard. > > Several changes may needd for defining the 'time' element. They are listed > as below: > > 1) Use space delimited list. XML Schema only support 'space' as > delimiter. However, in iCalendar, it uses 'comma' as delimiter. > 2) Use xs:dateTime replace RFC 2445 DATE-TIME > 3) Use xs:duration replace RFC 2445 DURATION > 4) The tzid and tzurl is still necessary though the xs:dateTime already > contains time zone information. But the byhour attribute still > need time zone information. Unless we use xs:time as the type for > byhour. But xs:time also contains minute and second. > 5) Keep the others the same > > To provide service like > > "Call Mom at 9:00AM every Thanksgiving (4th Thursday of November)" > > CPL fragment is like: > > > > > > In XML Schema, no pre-defined way to represent Thanksgiving. > In CPL, it provides such way. However, it's not easy to represent the > string like "+4TH" in XML schema, unless using string pattern. The > string pattern looks awful. Several ways to define the string pattern, > they are listed as below. Please comments. > > ** Long format, with the number as 0~366 > > > value="([+|-]?([1-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-2][0-9][0-9]|[3][0-5][0-9]|[3][6][0-6]))?([M|m][O|o]|[T|t][U|u]|[W|w][E|e]|[T|t][H|h]|[F|f][R|r]|[S|s][A|a]|[S|s][U|u])"/> > > > > ** Long format, simplified, with the number as 0~999 > > > value="([+|-]?[0-9]{0,3}([M|m][O|o]|[T|t][U|u]|[W|w][E|e]|[T|t][H|h]|[F|f][R|r]|[S|s][A|a]|[S|s][U|u])"/> > > > > ** Seems this one is easier to understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** More readable, but with annotation indicating this is case-insensitive > (XML schema is case-sensitive, and no date type for weekday) > > case-insensitive > > > > > > > > > > > > ** More readable, no restriction on number, since for yearly, monthly > weekly, the number range is different any way. > > case-insensitive > for yearly, number range from -365~365 > > for monthly, number range from -30~30 > > for weekly, number range from -6~6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > -Xiaotao > > ========================================================== > Name : Xiaotao Wu > Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu, xiaotaow@hotmail.com > Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow > Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (801)751-0217 > Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 > SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu > Office : Room 506, Mudd building, West 120th > ========================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 14:08:58 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01435 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JJQRv24365 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:26:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JJQRO24362 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:26:27 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01420 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JJQGO24333; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:26:16 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JJPeO24262 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:25:40 -0500 Received: from marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01347 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (ca-71-247.wired.ietf56.ietf.org [130.129.71.247]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJ9reF018458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:09:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E78BFCE.8060100@cs.columbia.edu> From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iptel@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:06:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To pick up the discussion that was started in the iptel meeting: One model of the tel URI is that it is a name identifying an (abstract) resource via a telephone number. Other entities are needed to direct a request containing the URI (in the SIP case) or to generate an action (in the HTML case) causing a connection. This is no different from, say, an ISBN URN that invokes a translation service. The subtle difference is that a tel URI can both directly reach a specific resource as well as do this via translation and that multiple translation steps can be involved, but that property is inherent in the phone number (via things like 800# translation, number portability and ENUM) and not specific to a tel URI. Like all telephone numbers in protocols, I believe that tel URI numbers can be subject to ENUM translation. It shouldn't matter if a tel URI was itself the result of an ENUM lookup. Thus, you could have [SIP UA] tel URI [outbound proxy] ENUM: tel1 -> tel2 (number portability) [some other proxy] ENUM: tel2 -> sip URI I don't see the need for parameters in this case. (In other words, parameters might be *useful*, but they shouldn't be *necessary*.) Thus, 'translation hints' in the tel URI comply with the model. It might be interesting to divide the tel URI extensions into categories. There seem to be at least four: (TH) translation history hints ("translation X has been performed"); (TD) translation directive ("translation X should/should not be performed"); (NP) number property: "the number in the tel URI is a 'foo'" (and it will be a 'foo' for a long time). (CP) call property: the call with this tel URI has the following properties I have to admit that I find (CP) least convincing as a tel URI extension. Names and URN-like things like tel URIs should be long-term stable. (NP) is really a URC-like thing, although that concept seems to have seen no instantiation in actual usage. The Contact parameters in caller-preferences are an example of binding NP-like properties to a SIP URI. One could argue that (NP) should be retrieved by reference, to avoid sprinkling it all over the place (like web pages and address books) where the parameters are hard to change when they do change. Thus, including things like carrier codes seems potentially dangerous. What happens if the tel URI with a carrier code in a web page gets a different carrier? Henning _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 14:26:05 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02137 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JJhYs26343 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:43:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JJhYO26340 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:43:34 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02072 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JJhLO26268; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:43:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JJguO26124 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:42:56 -0500 Received: from cs.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02033 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisalpino.cs.columbia.edu (cisalpino.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.194]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2JJR8Sx025133; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: Xiaotao Wu To: Jonathan Rosenberg cc: , "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: Re: [Iptel] 'time' element in XML schema for CPL In-Reply-To: <3E780F31.70808@dynamicsoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > So, although I like schemas, it is not clear to me that there is value > in expending IETF resources to develop a schema. I could be convinced if Here is what I thought why it is valuable to have a CPL schema. There are many advantages of using schema, such as better type checking, schema itself is in XML so no additional parser needed etc. These advantages are not enough for spending time on creating the schema. The most important advantage that causes me to spend time on a schema for CPL is the extensibility of XML Schema. CPL has many carefully designed switches and actions. And I think for light-weight service applications, CPL is a very good language to use. However, the CPL draft limits the functions to only network servers. There should be CPL extensions so other entities, such as user agents, presence agents can also use CPL scripts to perform services. Though in CPL draft, such kind of extensions are allowed, based on my experience on writing CPL extensions for presence information handling and XML schema for CPL, I feel only schema can handle the extensibility nicely. DTD cannot do that. Here is an example. For CPL extensions for presence information, we need an event-switch to perform different actions based on different events (online, offline). So, we added an event-switch. However, we found that simply adding a new element is not enough. This element should be able to be inside the other switches, and the other switches can also be inside this switch. Any actions should also be able to be in the new defined switch. The only way to do this is to MODIFY the 'Switch' ENTITY defined in the original CPL DTD. In original CPL DTD In new CPL DTD ____________ So, everytime a new switch, or a new action, or a new top-level action is added in, the DTD has to be modified. The extensions cannot be added in a compositional way. But with XML Schema, by using the substitutionGroup, and the abstract type, the extensibility can be handled very nicely. New switches, actions can be generated from base abstract type, just like generating sub-class from parent class in C++. We define an abstract switch, with abstract type 'Switchtype' Follow the CPL structure, Node is defined as below: -------- We can then have any new defined switches as the substitutionGroup of the abstract 'switch' element, with type extended from the abstract SwitchType type. ..... In this way, the new defined switch can be in whatever place the other switches can be in. With the very basic CPL schema defined, any new extensions do not need to touch the basic CPL schema for new switches, actions. New extensions can be added in a compositional way. So, I think to extend the usage of CPL, the XML schema for CPL is necessary. Thanks! -Xiaotao > there were a specific protocol problem that such a change was solving. > But, defining a schema just to have a schema, doesnt seem that useful. > > Thanks, > Jonathan R. > > Xiaotao Wu wrote: > > Hi, all, > > > > I am trying to define XML schema for CPL since XML schema has many > > advantages over XML DTD. However, there are some difficulties in defining > > the 'time' element in 'time-swtich'. > > > > CPL follows the iCalendar standard (RFC 2445) for time definition. There > > is an XML definition (an IETF draft) for iCalendar, however, that's also > > based on XML DTD. XML Schema provides several data types for time, such as > > 'xs:dateTime', 'xs:time'. > > > > I have to say, the time defined in CPL and iCalendar is more powerful > > than that defined in XML schema. However, since we are using XML > > schema, we may need to have a format with using the XML Schema pre-defined > > data types. This may cause backward compatibility problem with original > > CPL standard. > > > > Several changes may needd for defining the 'time' element. They are listed > > as below: > > > > 1) Use space delimited list. XML Schema only support 'space' as > > delimiter. However, in iCalendar, it uses 'comma' as delimiter. > > 2) Use xs:dateTime replace RFC 2445 DATE-TIME > > 3) Use xs:duration replace RFC 2445 DURATION > > 4) The tzid and tzurl is still necessary though the xs:dateTime already > > contains time zone information. But the byhour attribute still > > need time zone information. Unless we use xs:time as the type for > > byhour. But xs:time also contains minute and second. > > 5) Keep the others the same > > > > To provide service like > > > > "Call Mom at 9:00AM every Thanksgiving (4th Thursday of November)" > > > > CPL fragment is like: > > > > > > > > > > > > In XML Schema, no pre-defined way to represent Thanksgiving. > > In CPL, it provides such way. However, it's not easy to represent the > > string like "+4TH" in XML schema, unless using string pattern. The > > string pattern looks awful. Several ways to define the string pattern, > > they are listed as below. Please comments. > > > > ** Long format, with the number as 0~366 > > > > > > > value="([+|-]?([1-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-2][0-9][0-9]|[3][0-5][0-9]|[3][6][0-6]))?([M|m][O|o]|[T|t][U|u]|[W|w][E|e]|[T|t][H|h]|[F|f][R|r]|[S|s][A|a]|[S|s][U|u])"/> > > > > > > > > ** Long format, simplified, with the number as 0~999 > > > > > > > value="([+|-]?[0-9]{0,3}([M|m][O|o]|[T|t][U|u]|[W|w][E|e]|[T|t][H|h]|[F|f][R|r]|[S|s][A|a]|[S|s][U|u])"/> > > > > > > > > ** Seems this one is easier to understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** More readable, but with annotation indicating this is case-insensitive > > (XML schema is case-sensitive, and no date type for weekday) > > > > case-insensitive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** More readable, no restriction on number, since for yearly, monthly > > weekly, the number range is different any way. > > > > case-insensitive > > for yearly, number range from -365~365 > > > > for monthly, number range from -30~30 > > > > for weekly, number range from -6~6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Xiaotao > > > > ========================================================== > > Name : Xiaotao Wu > > Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu, xiaotaow@hotmail.com > > Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow > > Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (801)751-0217 > > Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 > > SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu > > Office : Room 506, Mudd building, West 120th > > ========================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Iptel mailing list > > Iptel@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel > > > > -- > Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 72 Eagle Rock Ave. > Chief Scientist First Floor > dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 > jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 > http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 > http://www.dynamicsoft.com > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 16:39:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10320 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JLvD609175 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:57:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLvDO09172 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:57:13 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10282 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLv3O09151; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:57:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLusO09130 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:56:54 -0500 Received: from mail.oefeg.at (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA10275 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:38:49 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-ID: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF06C@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Thread-Topic: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM Thread-Index: AcLuS8Gfqu3NTZyTR7a2pC8QA38EhgAEm6gX From: "Stastny Richard" To: "Henning Schulzrinne" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h2JLusO09131 Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:44:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To start from the end: "What happens if the tel URI with a carrier code in a web page gets a different carrier?" Correct, but this leads to a second dimension: What is a tel URI used for? I see 3 different usage cases: 1. use e.g on Webpage: TH, NP, CP should not be used or are not applicable, TD may be useful 2. use in signalling (e.g. INVITE): TH, TD, NP, CP may be useful 3. use in ENUM: TH and CP are not applicable, TD may be usefull, NP is essential (see below) ENUM or ENUM-like systems may be used to store translation information in a tel URI e.g. tel:+43123456;rn=8620123456 according to the Yu-extensions. I consider therefore TH, TD and NP as useful, depending on usage, CP is out of scope in ENUM the question here is how far one should go with this. regards Richard -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Henning Schulzrinne [mailto:hgs@cs.columbia.edu] Gesendet: Mi 19.03.2003 20:06 An: iptel@ietf.org Cc: Betreff: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM To pick up the discussion that was started in the iptel meeting: One model of the tel URI is that it is a name identifying an (abstract) resource via a telephone number. Other entities are needed to direct a request containing the URI (in the SIP case) or to generate an action (in the HTML case) causing a connection. This is no different from, say, an ISBN URN that invokes a translation service. The subtle difference is that a tel URI can both directly reach a specific resource as well as do this via translation and that multiple translation steps can be involved, but that property is inherent in the phone number (via things like 800# translation, number portability and ENUM) and not specific to a tel URI. Like all telephone numbers in protocols, I believe that tel URI numbers can be subject to ENUM translation. It shouldn't matter if a tel URI was itself the result of an ENUM lookup. Thus, you could have [SIP UA] tel URI [outbound proxy] ENUM: tel1 -> tel2 (number portability) [some other proxy] ENUM: tel2 -> sip URI I don't see the need for parameters in this case. (In other words, parameters might be *useful*, but they shouldn't be *necessary*.) Thus, 'translation hints' in the tel URI comply with the model. It might be interesting to divide the tel URI extensions into categories. There seem to be at least four: (TH) translation history hints ("translation X has been performed"); (TD) translation directive ("translation X should/should not be performed"); (NP) number property: "the number in the tel URI is a 'foo'" (and it will be a 'foo' for a long time). (CP) call property: the call with this tel URI has the following properties I have to admit that I find (CP) least convincing as a tel URI extension. Names and URN-like things like tel URIs should be long-term stable. (NP) is really a URC-like thing, although that concept seems to have seen no instantiation in actual usage. The Contact parameters in caller-preferences are an example of binding NP-like properties to a SIP URI. One could argue that (NP) should be retrieved by reference, to avoid sprinkling it all over the place (like web pages and address books) where the parameters are hard to change when they do change. Thus, including things like carrier codes seems potentially dangerous. What happens if the tel URI with a carrier code in a web page gets a different carrier? Henning _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 17:28:48 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12535 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JMkM114473 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:46:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JMkMO14470 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:46:22 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12521 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JMk9O14457; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:46:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JMjKO14418 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:45:20 -0500 Received: from dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12502 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (wl-138-255.wireless.ietf56.ietf.org [130.129.138.255]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JMTSET001736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:29:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E78EE94.3040505@cs.columbia.edu> From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stastny Richard CC: iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM References: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF06C@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> In-Reply-To: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF06C@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:26:28 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. use e.g on Webpage: TH, NP, CP should not be used or are not applicable, TD may be useful > 2. use in signalling (e.g. INVITE): TH, TD, NP, CP may be useful But CP can usually be indicated in a different way, e.g., in Caller-Info in SIP. I think that's a better place for CP-style information. > 3. use in ENUM: TH and CP are not applicable, TD may be usefull, NP is essential (see below) What are examples of NP in this context? > > ENUM or ENUM-like systems may be used to store translation information in a tel URI > e.g. tel:+43123456;rn=8620123456 according to the Yu-extensions. > (TH) translation history hints ("translation X has been performed"); > > (TD) translation directive ("translation X should/should not be performed"); > > (NP) number property: "the number in the tel URI is a 'foo'" (and it > will be a 'foo' for a long time). > > (CP) call property: the call with this tel URI has the following properties > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 18:25:43 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15463 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JNhIU18761 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:43:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JNhIO18758 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:43:18 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15452 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JNh3O18731; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:43:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JNgCO18663 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:42:12 -0500 Received: from mail.oefeg.at (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA15401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:24:06 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-ID: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF06D@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Thread-Topic: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM Thread-Index: AcLuZ45LQvGz5b3fRDi8xokr6PB+AwABpBDD From: "Stastny Richard" To: "Henning Schulzrinne" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h2JNgDO18664 Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:30:12 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> 1. use e.g on Webpage: TH, NP, CP should not be used or are not applicable, TD may be useful >> 2. use in signalling (e.g. INVITE): TH, TD, NP, CP may be useful >But CP can usually be indicated in a different way, e.g., in Caller-Info >in SIP. I think that's a better place for CP-style information. Fully agree > 3. use in ENUM: TH and CP are not applicable, TD may be usefull, NP is essential (see below) >What are examples of NP in this context? The following was an example: >> ENUM or ENUM-like systems may be used to store translation information in a tel URI >> e.g. tel:+43123456;rn=8620123456 according to the Yu-extensions. In the yu-tel draft it is proposed to use the rn, npdi and cic parameters for signalling, the draft itself is not explicitely stating how this information is derived, but he is giving some examples as IN-SCP or ENUM We are planning to use ENUM to be accessible from IP and TDM-networks, or at least put the same information contained in the IN-SCP also in ENUM, because it is derived from the same database, so for a number not terminating on IP but on TDM the same information in ENUM can be storred as in the IN-SCP. This allows the e.g. the rn or cic to be already supplied, thus saving the TDM an additional IN dip. This is only one examples, more scenarios are in discussion. Richard > (TH) translation history hints ("translation X has been performed"); > > (TD) translation directive ("translation X should/should not be performed"); > > (NP) number property: "the number in the tel URI is a 'foo'" (and it > will be a 'foo' for a long time). > > (CP) call property: the call with this tel URI has the following properties > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 18:28:37 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15654 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JNkD219154 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:46:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JNkDO19151 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:46:13 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15619 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JNk2O19051; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:46:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JNj8O18937 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:45:08 -0500 Received: from 132.151.6.1 (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA15527; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2z.zciivhs.com ([64.182.75.211]) by 132.151.6.1 with SMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:22:09 -0700 Message-ID: <0g19$g9b8gkl8b7378u@u67.1oj> From: "" To: , , , X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_F1FB.7.0DC3AA7.." 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Could you explain how tel: URI can be used to reach directly a specified resource? In my understanding tel: URI being a URN has only one meaningful operation - resolution/translation, i.e. it can not be used for routing of any kind and is not bound to any specific resource access protocol. 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www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22922 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2KGKfO30821; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:20:41 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2KGEYO30474 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:14:34 -0500 Received: from dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22581 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (ca-71-247.wired.ietf56.ietf.org [130.129.71.247]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KFwMWV007954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:58:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E79E469.8020202@cs.columbia.edu> From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexeitsev, D" CC: iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:55:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alexeitsev, D wrote: > Hello Henning, All > > >> The subtle difference is that a tel URI can both directly reach a >> specific resource as well as do this via translation and that >> multiple translation steps can be involved, but that property is >> inherent in the phone number (via things like 800# translation, >> number portability and ENUM) and not specific to a tel URI. > > > Could you explain how tel: URI can be used to reach directly a > specified resource? 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_______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Mar 21 09:46:15 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14513 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2LF4bd10148 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:04:37 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2LF4bO10145 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:04:37 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14504 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2LF4FO10111; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:04:15 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2LF32O10072 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:03:02 -0500 Received: from mail3.dynamicsoft.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14487 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dynamicsoft.com ([63.113.46.26]) by mail3.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h2LEkMBd002797; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:46:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E7A8D6E.8030205@dynamicsoft.com> From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xiaotao Wu CC: iptel@ietf.org, "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: Re: [Iptel] 'time' element in XML schema for CPL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:56:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the group is not currently chartered to do CPL extensions, or to develop a new schema for CPL. As with anything else, IETF working groups do work they are chartered to do, and items get added to the charter by AD request when their is interest from the group. So, I ask the group - please speak up if you are interested in pursuing CPL extensions, and believe that defining a schema is something we should work on. Thanks, -Jonathan R. Xiaotao Wu wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > >>So, although I like schemas, it is not clear to me that there is value >>in expending IETF resources to develop a schema. I could be convinced if > > > Here is what I thought why it is valuable to have a CPL schema. > > There are many advantages of using schema, such as better type checking, > schema itself is in XML so no additional parser needed etc. These > advantages are not enough for spending time on creating the schema. > > The most important advantage that causes me to spend time on a schema for > CPL is the extensibility of XML Schema. > > CPL has many carefully designed switches and actions. And I think for > light-weight service applications, CPL is a very good language to use. > However, the CPL draft limits the functions to only network servers. There > should be CPL extensions so other entities, such as user agents, presence > agents can also use CPL scripts to perform services. Though in CPL draft, > such kind of extensions are allowed, based on my experience on writing CPL > extensions for presence information handling and XML schema for CPL, I > feel only schema can handle the extensibility nicely. DTD cannot do that. > > Here is an example. > > For CPL extensions for presence information, we need an event-switch to > perform different actions based on different events (online, offline). > So, we added an event-switch. However, we found that simply adding a > new element is not enough. This element should be able to be inside > the other switches, and the other switches can also be inside this > switch. Any actions should also be able to be in the new defined switch. > The only way to do this is to MODIFY the 'Switch' ENTITY defined in the > original CPL DTD. > > In original CPL DTD > > priority-switch' > > > In new CPL DTD > > priority-switch|event-switch' > > ____________ > > So, everytime a new switch, or a new action, or a new top-level action is > added in, the DTD has to be modified. The extensions cannot be added in a > compositional way. > > But with XML Schema, by using the substitutionGroup, and the abstract > type, the extensibility can be handled very nicely. New switches, actions > can be generated from base abstract type, just like generating sub-class > from parent class in C++. > > We define an abstract switch, with abstract type 'Switchtype' > > > > > Follow the CPL structure, Node is defined as below: > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > We can then have any new defined switches as the substitutionGroup of the > abstract 'switch' element, with type extended from the abstract SwitchType > type. > > substitutionGroup="CPL:switch"/> > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > In this way, the new defined switch can be in whatever place the other > switches can be in. With the very basic CPL schema defined, any new > extensions do not need to touch the basic CPL schema for new switches, > actions. New extensions can be added in a compositional way. > > So, I think to extend the usage of CPL, the XML schema for CPL is > necessary. > > Thanks! > > -Xiaotao > > >>there were a specific protocol problem that such a change was solving. >>But, defining a schema just to have a schema, doesnt seem that useful. >> >>Thanks, >>Jonathan R. >> >>Xiaotao Wu wrote: >> >>>Hi, all, >>> >>>I am trying to define XML schema for CPL since XML schema has many >>>advantages over XML DTD. However, there are some difficulties in defining >>>the 'time' element in 'time-swtich'. >>> >>>CPL follows the iCalendar standard (RFC 2445) for time definition. There >>>is an XML definition (an IETF draft) for iCalendar, however, that's also >>>based on XML DTD. XML Schema provides several data types for time, such as >>>'xs:dateTime', 'xs:time'. >>> >>>I have to say, the time defined in CPL and iCalendar is more powerful >>>than that defined in XML schema. However, since we are using XML >>>schema, we may need to have a format with using the XML Schema pre-defined >>>data types. This may cause backward compatibility problem with original >>>CPL standard. >>> >>>Several changes may needd for defining the 'time' element. They are listed >>>as below: >>> >>> 1) Use space delimited list. XML Schema only support 'space' as >>> delimiter. However, in iCalendar, it uses 'comma' as delimiter. >>> 2) Use xs:dateTime replace RFC 2445 DATE-TIME >>> 3) Use xs:duration replace RFC 2445 DURATION >>> 4) The tzid and tzurl is still necessary though the xs:dateTime already >>> contains time zone information. But the byhour attribute still >>> need time zone information. Unless we use xs:time as the type for >>> byhour. But xs:time also contains minute and second. >>> 5) Keep the others the same >>> >>> To provide service like >>> >>> "Call Mom at 9:00AM every Thanksgiving (4th Thursday of November)" >>> >>> CPL fragment is like: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In XML Schema, no pre-defined way to represent Thanksgiving. >>> In CPL, it provides such way. However, it's not easy to represent the >>> string like "+4TH" in XML schema, unless using string pattern. The >>> string pattern looks awful. Several ways to define the string pattern, >>> they are listed as below. Please comments. >>> >>>** Long format, with the number as 0~366 >>> >>> >>> >>value="([+|-]?([1-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-2][0-9][0-9]|[3][0-5][0-9]|[3][6][0-6]))?([M|m][O|o]|[T|t][U|u]|[W|w][E|e]|[T|t][H|h]|[F|f][R|r]|[S|s][A|a]|[S|s][U|u])"/> >>> >>> >>> >>>** Long format, simplified, with the number as 0~999 >>> >>> >>> >>value="([+|-]?[0-9]{0,3}([M|m][O|o]|[T|t][U|u]|[W|w][E|e]|[T|t][H|h]|[F|f][R|r]|[S|s][A|a]|[S|s][U|u])"/> >>> >>> >>> >>>** Seems this one is easier to understand >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>** More readable, but with annotation indicating this is case-insensitive >>> (XML schema is case-sensitive, and no date type for weekday) >>> >>> case-insensitive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>** More readable, no restriction on number, since for yearly, monthly >>> weekly, the number range is different any way. >>> >>> case-insensitive >>> for yearly, number range from -365~365 >>> >>> for monthly, number range from -30~30 >>> >>> for weekly, number range from -6~6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>-Xiaotao >>> >>>========================================================== >>>Name : Xiaotao Wu >>>Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu, xiaotaow@hotmail.com >>>Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow >>>Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (801)751-0217 >>>Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 >>>SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu >>>Office : Room 506, Mudd building, West 120th >>>========================================================== >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Iptel mailing list >>>Iptel@ietf.org >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel >>> >> >>-- >>Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 72 Eagle Rock Ave. >>Chief Scientist First Floor >>dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 >>jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 >>http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 >>http://www.dynamicsoft.com >> > > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Mar 21 15:11:08 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25718 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2LKTcb02584 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:29:38 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2LKTcO02581 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:29:38 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25659 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2LKTJO02561; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:29:19 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2LKQXO02420 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:26:33 -0500 Received: from cs.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25181 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisalpino.cs.columbia.edu (cisalpino.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.19.194]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2LK9nSx006359 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: Xiaotao Wu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Iptel] Do we need CPL extensions? Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:09:49 -0500 (EST) Dear all, I am thinking the following reasons should be valid for defining CPL extensions: The CPL specification has many carefully designed elements, such as time-switch, string-switch and location modifier. It can be an ideal language for designing light-weight telecommunication services. However, there are very limited operations defined in the CPL specification. Currently, only three signalling operations defined, namely proxy, redirect and reject. It makes CPL can only perform very limited functionalities on a proxy/redirect server. We consider CPL is designed for Internet telephony systems, and it should take the benefits of what Internet telephony systems can offer. One of such benefits is the ability to provide presence information and instant message. And this benefit can bring many novel services. For example, a proxy server co-located with a presence agent can base on user's presence status to make call decision. To handle presence information will definitely need to extend the current specification. The other thing that Internet telephony systems are different from the traditional telephony systems is that in Internet telephony systems, end systems can have more and more functions. No doubt to say that Internet telephony end systems can perform simple call processing services. And in fact, many SIP phones have already had services in the phone. For end systems, the very basic functions are to make outgoing call and accept incoming call. Thus, for end system services, the 'make outgoin call' and 'accept incoming call' should be defined as signaling operations. We consider CPL-like language is suitable for end system services because it's XML based with simentatic meanings of the tags; it's simple -- uses a tree like structure for call decision making; it's safe. So, for end system services, it's also necessary to have CPL extensions. Some other things also need to extend the current CPL specification. For example, we would expect some services to base on a user's physical location (e.g., in a cinema, automatically reject the call) to perform call decisions. Thus, we may need a location-switch for such kind of services. So, I think we should define the following CPL extensions: 1. CPL extensions for presence information handling (highest priority) 2. CPL extensions for end system services 3. 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_______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 24 09:06:16 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19073 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OEQ5i04311 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:26:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OEQ5O04308 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:26:05 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19012 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OEPnO04271; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:25:49 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OEONO04176 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:24:23 -0500 Received: from syd-msg-core-1.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18939 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by syd-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2OE63WV001016; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:06:06 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3E7A9804.BEFEC6D@cisco.com> From: Flemming Andreasen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stastny Richard CC: Henning Schulzrinne , iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM References: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF06D@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:41:40 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stastny Richard wrote: > >> 1. use e.g on Webpage: TH, NP, CP should not be used or are not applicable, TD may be useful > >> 2. use in signalling (e.g. INVITE): TH, TD, NP, CP may be useful > > >But CP can usually be indicated in a different way, e.g., in Caller-Info > >in SIP. I think that's a better place for CP-style information. > > Fully agree > Note however that these statements are not mutually exclusive; depending on where the tel-URI is used (Request-URI, To, From, Call-Info, etc.), different parameters may make sense. -- Flemming _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 24 09:06:17 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19086 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OEQ6I04331 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:26:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OEQ6O04328 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:26:06 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19022 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OEPmO04255; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:25:48 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OEOGO04172 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:24:16 -0500 Received: from syd-msg-core-1.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18934 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by syd-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2OE5xMc000998; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:06:00 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3E7A948D.6569A852@cisco.com> From: Flemming Andreasen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henning Schulzrinne CC: iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM References: <3E78BFCE.8060100@cs.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:26:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > To pick up the discussion that was started in the iptel meeting: > > One model of the tel URI is that it is a name identifying an (abstract) > resource via a telephone number. Other entities are needed to direct a > request containing the URI (in the SIP case) or to generate an action > (in the HTML case) causing a connection. This is no different from, say, > an ISBN URN that invokes a translation service. The subtle difference is > that a tel URI can both directly reach a specific resource as well as do > this via translation and that multiple translation steps can be > involved, but that property is inherent in the phone number (via things > like 800# translation, number portability and ENUM) and not specific to > a tel URI. > Another thing to consider is, that tel-URIs may be present in other places that just the Request-URI, for example "To", "From", "P-Asserted-Identity". I believe these considerations is what motivated some of the calling party category suggestions and one could see other tel-URI parameters showing up in some of these header fields. > > Like all telephone numbers in protocols, I believe that tel URI numbers > can be subject to ENUM translation. It shouldn't matter if a tel URI was > itself the result of an ENUM lookup. Thus, you could have > > [SIP UA] tel URI > [outbound proxy] ENUM: tel1 -> tel2 (number portability) > [some other proxy] ENUM: tel2 -> sip URI > > I don't see the need for parameters in this case. (In other words, > parameters might be *useful*, but they shouldn't be *necessary*.) > I think the issues here are the same as for number portability; if you already know that a tel-URI is in its canonical form and hence attempts at resolving it further will be futile, it would be a good idea to indicate this (i.e. we would need a new indicator). In many ways, the "npdi" indicator is really just a special case of this, however it is probably still reasonable to have a separate indicator for number portability and "fully resolved". Also note, that if the URI can change after an npdi dip has been performed (say because we use enum to translate it into yet another number), the "npdi" indicator may no longer be correct. > > Thus, 'translation hints' in the tel URI comply with the model. It might > be interesting to divide the tel URI extensions into categories. There > seem to be at least four: > > (TH) translation history hints ("translation X has been performed"); > Agree (note that when a translation of type X has been performed, hints for translations of all other types may have to be cleared). > > (TD) translation directive ("translation X should/should not be performed"); > I'm not sure I see where we would need TD; doesn't each hop simply perform whatever translations it deems necessary, and as long as we have TH, we can avoid performing unnecessary translation attempts ? > > (NP) number property: "the number in the tel URI is a 'foo'" (and it > will be a 'foo' for a long time). > > (CP) call property: the call with this tel URI has the following properties > > I have to admit that I find (CP) least convincing as a tel URI > extension. Agreed - it seems reasonable that things that are related to the call in general as opposed to the tel-URI specifically, should rather be present in headers (or media descriptions, depending on what type of properties we are looking at). I'm not sure we have everything covered though: 1. Which category does the "cic" parameter in yu-tel-url belong to ? 2. What if I wanted to add the equivalent of carrier selection, i.e. an indicator to show whether a "cic" parameter was provided because the user actively requested it or because it was simply the pre-subscribed carrier for this call ? > Names and URN-like things like tel URIs should be long-term > stable. I think that depends on where they are used. In the context of say a reference on a web-page I agree, but it's less clear once we start putting them in various fields in call signaling. -- Flemming > > (NP) is really a URC-like thing, although that concept seems to have > seen no instantiation in actual usage. The Contact parameters in > caller-preferences are an example of binding NP-like properties to a SIP > URI. One could argue that (NP) should be retrieved by reference, to > avoid sprinkling it all over the place (like web pages and address > books) where the parameters are hard to change when they do change. > Thus, including things like carrier codes seems potentially dangerous. > What happens if the tel URI with a carrier code in a web page gets a > different carrier? > > Henning > > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 24 14:37:31 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00203 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OJvRY27190 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:57:27 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OJvRO27187 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:57:27 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00168 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OJv9O27166; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:57:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OJucO27135 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:56:38 -0500 Received: from mail.oefeg.at (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA00120 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:36:10 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF087@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Thread-Topic: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM Thread-Index: AcLyD0DeYrYWQC6ZS9adoScdiks6WgALS1nC From: "Stastny Richard" To: "Flemming Andreasen" , "Henning Schulzrinne" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h2OJucO27136 Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:42:22 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Flemming wrote: Agreed - it seems reasonable that things that are related to the call in general as opposed to the tel-URI specifically, should rather be present in headers (or media descriptions, depending on what type of properties we are looking at). I'm not sure we have everything covered though: 1. Which category does the "cic" parameter in yu-tel-url belong to ? 2. What if I wanted to add the equivalent of carrier selection, i.e. an indicator to show whether a "cic" parameter was provided because the user actively requested it or because it was simply the pre-subscribed carrier for this call ? -- Flemming The cic in Yu's draft relates only to the Freephone provider: "The freephone-related information includes the dialed freephone number, the carrier identification code (CIC) that identifies the freephone service provider/carrier and the translated POTS number. " So he related to the first IN-dip in the freephone sequence. It has nothing to do with call-by-call carrier selection or pre-selection CIC. The whole issue and terminology needs therefore additional work, internationalisation and discussion anyway. regards Richard _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 24 15:17:20 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02471 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OKbIa29942 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:37:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OKbHO29939 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:37:17 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02458 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OKb2O29580; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:37:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OKa2O29502 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:36:02 -0500 Received: from syd-msg-core-1.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02352 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by syd-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2OKHaXd014831; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:17:38 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3E7F67E2.DB57DD07@cisco.com> From: Flemming Andreasen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stastny Richard CC: Henning Schulzrinne , iptel@ietf.org Subject: Re: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM References: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF087@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:17:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stastny Richard wrote: > Flemming wrote: > > Agreed - it seems reasonable that things that are related to the call in general > as opposed to the tel-URI specifically, should rather be present in headers (or > media descriptions, depending on what type of properties we are looking at). I'm > not sure we have everything covered though: > > 1. Which category does the "cic" parameter in yu-tel-url belong to ? > > 2. What if I wanted to add the equivalent of carrier selection, i.e. an > indicator to show whether a "cic" parameter was provided because the user > actively requested it or because it was simply the pre-subscribed carrier for > this call ? > > -- Flemming > > > The cic in Yu's draft relates only to the Freephone provider: > "The freephone-related information includes the dialed freephone > number, the carrier identification code (CIC) that identifies the > freephone service provider/carrier and the translated POTS number. " > > So he related to the first IN-dip in the freephone sequence. It has nothing to > do with call-by-call carrier selection or pre-selection CIC. > Not quite - from Section 4: "If a country uses the CIC codes to identify the service providers/carriers that are not limited to the freephone service providers/carriers, this new parameter can also be used to identify those service providers/carriers even when freephone service is not involved. One example is the CIC dialed by the caller for selecting a specific inter-exchange carrier in the U.S. (e.g., 101XXXX). " However the draft has admittedly gone back and forth on this issue. Ignoring that, the bigger question perhaps is whether the draft should address or not. I think it should. -- Flemming > > The whole issue and terminology needs therefore additional work, internationalisation > and discussion anyway. > > regards > Richard _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 24 15:47:20 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03279 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2OL7Iv31927 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:07:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OL7IO31924 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:07:18 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03222 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OL74O31563; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:07:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OL6iO31474 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:06:44 -0500 Received: from mail.oefeg.at (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA03214 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:46:15 -0500 (EST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F1620DF089@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Thread-Topic: AW: [Iptel] tel URI and ENUM Thread-Index: AcLyQwGVYv2UmBE1SsqJyZvQ5yubtQAAfUli From: "Stastny Richard" To: "Flemming Andreasen" Cc: "Henning Schulzrinne" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h2OL6iO31475 Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:52:27 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit oops, sorry, I forgot this one since I last read it. 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Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sat Mar 29 05:57:21 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA18847 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2TBJYp02838 for iptel-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:19:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TBJYO02835 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:19:34 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA18835 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TBJHO02813; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:19:17 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TBIHO02766 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:18:17 -0500 Received: from mail.bttb.net.bd (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA18771 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Idwa ([203.112.197.166]) by mail.bttb.net.bd (8.11.4/8.11.0) with SMTP id h2TApTM07923 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:51:29 +0600 Message-Id: <200303291051.h2TApTM07923@mail.bttb.net.bd> From: rabby20 To: iptel@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=GfZ1eiY6d966 Subject: [Iptel] A special humour game Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:51:29 +0600 --GfZ1eiY6d966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on ietf-mx) rock.exe is of type executable and is removed. 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Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:44:14 +0600 Message-Id: <200303300444.h2U4iDM32742@mail.bttb.net.bd> From: utulbtqoah To: iptel@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=P397W168m0Mys3d1ey9oQF16FU7499ISc82J Subject: [Iptel] W32.Elkern removal tools Sender: iptel-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: IP Telephony List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:44:14 +0600 --P397W168m0Mys3d1ey9oQF16FU7499ISc82J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on ietf-mx) install.exe is of type executable and is removed. 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