From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 2 16:35:58 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09509 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CwSSj-00019Q-Kk for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:55:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CwRLa-0000wx-BP; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:43:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CwRHd-0006t4-6a for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:39:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26504 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CwRa2-0004uD-UA for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:58:32 -0500 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2005 12:39:02 -0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j12KcsPA017380 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: e2k4.cisco.com 171.70.93.57 from 171.69.115.126 171.69.115.126 via HTTP with MS-WebStorage 6.5.6944 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:32:07 -0800 From: Cullen Jennings To: "iptel@ietf.org" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-02.txt adopted as WG item X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not got any objections to adopting this draft as a WG draft and we had strong consensus at the last meeting so I am going to consider this adopted. Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 2 17:35:01 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA20001 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CwTNy-0004oK-0J for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:54:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CwSsp-00024s-Vc; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:21:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CwSip-0002H9-Jm for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:11:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15748 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sb7.songbird.com ([208.184.79.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CwT1G-0003FK-6R for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:30:43 -0500 Received: from RSHOCKEY-LTXP.shockey.us (neustargw.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.233]) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j12MA2IQ016243; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:10:48 -0800 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050202170609.0489a260@sb7.songbird.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:09:48 -0500 To: Cullen Jennings , "iptel@ietf.org" From: Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [Iptel] draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-02.txt adopted as WG item In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 At 02:32 PM 2/2/2005, Cullen Jennings wrote: >I have not got any objections to adopting this draft as a WG draft and we >had strong consensus at the last meeting so I am going to consider this >adopted. I think it already was a WG item I think the issue was Last Call .. >Thanks, Cullen > >_______________________________________________ >Iptel mailing list >Iptel@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141@fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 3 16:56:04 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA20221 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CwpFy-00089w-Cf for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:15:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CwoUn-0007Ud-F9; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:26:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cwo27-0008Of-7J; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:56:59 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07958; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:56:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200502032056.PAA07958@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:56:57 -0500 Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. Title : The ENUM Dip Indicator parameter for the "tel" URI Author(s) : R. Stastny, L. Conroy Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2005-2-3 This document defines a new parameter "enumdi" in the "tel" Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) as defined in RFC3966 to support the handling of ENUM queries in SIP proxies, H.323 gatekeepers and other VoIP network elements. The presence of the "enumdi" parameter indicates to the VoIP network element receiving an URI containing an E.164 number that an ENUM query as defined in RFC3761 has already been performed on the E.164 number indicated by the previous VoIP network element. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Interested IPTEL WG members should consider attending the ENUM meeting if interested. >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:56:57 -0500 >Cc: iptel@ietf.org >Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt >X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >List-Id: IP Telephony >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org >X-Keywords: > > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. >This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : The ENUM Dip Indicator parameter for the "tel" URI > Author(s) : R. Stastny, L. Conroy > Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2005-2-3 > >This document defines a new parameter "enumdi" in the "tel" Uniform > Resource Identifier (URI) as defined in RFC3966 to support the > handling of ENUM queries in SIP proxies, H.323 gatekeepers and other > VoIP network elements. The presence of the "enumdi" parameter > indicates to the VoIP network element receiving an URI containing > an > E.164 number that an ENUM query as defined in RFC3761 has already > been performed on the E.164 number indicated by the previous VoIP > network element. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt > >To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the >message. >You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >to change your subscription settings. > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-ID: <2005-2-3154709.I-D@ietf.org> > >ENCODING mime >FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tel-enumdi-00.txt > > >_______________________________________________ >Iptel mailing list >Iptel@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141@fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 10 18:59:21 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA10136 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CzOXa-0007Ht-Fh for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:20:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CzOBe-0008LM-Mr; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:57:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CzO7l-0007Y9-4o for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:53:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09700 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CzORr-0007AP-0G for iptel@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:14:16 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (64.102.124.13) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Feb 2005 19:04:28 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,194,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="36578470:sNHT19363968" Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1ANqthF026926 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com ([161.44.79.182]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id APA20344; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:52:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420BF3D7.2080305@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:52:55 -0500 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iptel@ietf.org References: <24EAE5D4448B9D4592C6D234CBEBD597089962@stntexch03.cis.neustar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] Proper URI encoding for special public numbers? X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to figure out a good and proper way to represent dialed telephone numbers. Tel format is fine for e.164 numbers. My current problem is with how to represent public non-e.164 numbers. RFC3966 *suggests* that "911" be represented as , and that seems extensible to all of the N11 addresses. (I know about the sos stuff. Maybe that will take precedence for 911, but not for the other N11s.) While it makes *sense*, it isn't clear to me that 3966 is being normative here. It does seem clear that using +1 as a context is only appropriate for the "owner" of +1. I'm thinking that means those responsible for the NANP. So it would be them who ought to say whether this is an appropriate usage. I may think it is intuitive, but to go ahead and use it that way is to second guess what they think. There are other cases as well. A big one is Operator - both as a destination of its own, and in the form of an operator assisted call. (0nnn). In the direct form seems appropriate. Dealing with 0nnn is another story. Has this already been discussed and resolved? Paul _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 14 14:44:17 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA06577 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D0mTi-0002MC-EB for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:05:55 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D0m6w-0003xk-2M; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:42:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D0m28-00030f-U9 for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:37:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05602 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hoemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.226.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D0mN1-00029X-Ks for iptel@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:00 -0500 Received: from ihmail.ih.lucent.com (h135-1-218-70.lucent.com [135.1.218.70]) by hoemail2.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1EJbLQl024021 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:37:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from [135.185.173.147] (il0015vkg1.ih.lucent.com [135.185.173.147]) by ihmail.ih.lucent.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id j1EJbKv23013; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:37:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4210FDF0.1030303@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:37:20 -0600 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPTEL WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] New revision of trunk-group (-03) X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I have submitted a new revision of the trunk-group I-D. This version includes WGLC. Those following the discussion regarding an originating trunk group without a calling party number, please see Section 7.1. I have added the consensus we reached earlier this year in Section 7.1. Until it appears in the IETF archives, you can get a copy from: http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-03.html http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-03.txt Chairs: barring any show-stopping comments on the new revision, I believe that the I-D is baked enough to move it forward. Thank you. - vijay -- Vijay K. 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Sorry to respond late. I was waiting for the message that I asked you = to resend but did not see it until today. Please see the responses = below. I'll submit the -04 version today. James -----Original Message----- From: Flemming Andreasen [mailto:fandreas@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:01 PM To: iptel@ietf.org Cc: Flemming Andreasen; Yu, James; Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [Iptel] Review of draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-03.txt Resend by request Flemming Andreasen wrote: > Greetings > > Below, please find review comments for draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-03.txt. = > In general, I think the document is close to being done, but there are = > a few minor issues to address as well as some nits. > > > Non-Editorial > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > - Section 4, ABNF > The production for "global-hex-digits" ends with "*phonedigit-hex". I=20 > don't understand what that is for, not least considering the ensuing=20 > text for "local-rn" > > For a "local-rn", the routing number in the "rn" parameter MUST be > meaningful in terms of "rn-context". For example, if a national > routing number is in the "rn" parameter, the "rn-context" MUST > contain a valid E.164 country code after "+" if it is in the > "global-hex-digits" format. > [YU] global-rn should be "+" 1*global-hex-digits instead of "+" = 1*phonedigit-hex. I'll also emphasize that the "national" number part of a "global-rn" or = the "local-rn" may contain hexadecimal digit(s). > > > Section 5.1, 6th paragraph > "The network node SHALL ignore the "cic" parameter if it identifies a=20 > carrier or service provider associated with that node, or if that=20 > parameter contains a code for indicating that a geographic number is=20 > supplied (e.g., +1-0110 means "local, translated geographical=20 > telephone number provided"). ". Given the normative requirement, we=20 > either need some more text or references to explain how we determine=20 > if the parameter contains a code for indicating that a geographic=20 > number is supplied. [YU] Will break this dashed item to two dashed items. ************************** - The network node SHALL ignore the "cic" parameter if the CIC = identifies a carrier or service provider associated with that node and = look for the "rn" parameter for making the routing decision. It SHALL = remove the "cic" parameter when it routes the call to the next-hop = network node that belongs to another carrier or service provider. =20 - The network node MAY invoke special handling process if the "cic" = parameter contains a code that requires such a treatment. It SHALL = remove the "cic" parameter after it has performed the special handling = process. For example, a CIC value of "0110" in the response to a = freephone DB query in the North America indicates "local, translated = geographical telephone number provided"). In this particular example, = the "cic" parameter is ignored. Please note that this particular CIC = value of "+1-0110" normally will not appear in the call setup message. = It is given as an example to show that such special CIC values may = exist. The exact code values and the handling of them are outside the = scope of this document. ************************** > > > Section 5.1, 9th and 10th paragraph. > Again, I don't see why "the network SHALL remove the "rn" parameter". [YU] Will change the texts in those two paragraphs to ************************** - If the routing number in the "rn" parameter points to this network = node (e.g., the call has reached the intended network node), this = network node SHALL look for the freephone number or geographical = telephone number for making the routing decision. It SHALL remove the = "rn" parameter when setting up the call to the next-hop network node = regardless if that next-hop network node is in the same or different = network. - If the routing number in the "rn" parameter points to a network this = network node is in (e.g., in some countries the routing number gets the = call to the serving carrier network where another NP database access is = required to locate the serving switch), this network node SHALL look for = the freephone number or geographical telephone number for making the = routing decision. The network node MAY access the NP database for = routing information if it is set to do so. It SHALL remove the "rn" = parameter if the next-hop network node belongs to another carrier or = service provider.************************** ************************** > > Section 5.2.4, 1st paragraph > "A Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) gateway needs to convert > between SS7 ISUP and the VoIP protocol such as SIP or H.323. This > type of network node SHALL add the corresponding information from > the ISUP to the defined parameters to the "tel" URI for routing and > the "tel" URI associated with the caller and vice versa." > I disagree with the latter part ("and the "tel" URI associated with=20 > the caller and vice versa"). We are getting into privacy and security=20 > related issues and hence cannot make it mandatory for all. [YU] Will change and break the first paragraph to two paragraphs.=20 ************************** A Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) gateway needs to convert = between SS7 ISUP and the VoIP protocol such as SIP or H.323. This type = of network node SHALL map between the corresponding ISUP parameters and = the parameters defined in this document associated with the "tel" URI = for routing and MAY map between the corresponding ISUP parameters and = the parameters defined in this document that are in the "tel" URI = associated with the caller. Since ISUP support for NP depends on the individual country, the = following discussion applies to a situation when a network node is to = map between the NP information in the American National Standards = Institute (ANSI) ISUP and the NP-related parameters in the "tel" URI. =20 ************************** I also added one sentence to the 2nd to the last paragraph. ************************** The mapping may be subject to the network node's local policy and/or the = signaling protocol that carries the "tel" URI. ************************** > > Section 7 > Need to add security considerations for using the extensions for the=20 > caller (JIP considerations) > [YU] Will add a paragraph. ************************** If the "rn" in the "tel" URI that is associated with the caller is = illegally changed or inserted, the call charge based on that "rn" would = be incorrect. =20 ************************** > > Editorial and/or nits: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > - Global > Three spaces after period in several places. > Not sure if formatting adheres to RFC Editor guidelines (at least I=20 > can't get it to print with proper page breaks) [YU] I'll search and delete the extra space. If you have (or anyone has) the correct template, please send to me = and I'll use that template for the next revision. =20 > > - Abstract > Should not describe the actual extension parameters in the abstract=20 > but rather describe the problem and outline the solution. [YU] Will change the abstract to=20 ************************** Number Portability (NP) for the geographical telephone numbers and = freephone numbers impacts signaling and routing in the Global Switched = Telephone Network (GSTN) and Internet Protocol (IP) domain. At present, = there is no mechanism for a network node in the IP domain to pass the = NP-related information to the next-hop network node after it has = performed an NP database dip. This document defines several new = parameters in the "tel" Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) to carry the = NP-related information that can be used by the network nodes in the IP = domain to correctly set up the calls or sessions. =20 ************************** > > - Abstract "that NP database dip" =3D> "that an NP database dip" ^^ [YU] Will Change. > - Section 2, 1st paragraph > "It has been identified that NP has impacts on several=20 > works-in-progress at the IETF." =3D> > > "NP impacts call signaling." or something like that. > [YU] Will changed to=20 ************************** NP impacts call signaling and routing. ************************** > - Section 2, 3rd paragraph > "call set up" =3D> "call setup" > [YU] Will Change. > - Section 2, 5th paragraph > The sentence > "Section 5 describes the rules for a network node that deals with=20 > some or all of the defined parameters in a "tel" URI" > is not accurate since we are only talking about some specific=20 > extensions here. The phrase "defined parameters" is used throughout=20 > the document to refer to the extensions defined in this document. I'd=20 > suggest using another more accurate phrase throughout. > [YU] Will change to indicate "parameters defined in this document" or = something like that. > - Section 4, 1st paragraph > Add some words explaining how this ABNF simply defines new parameters=20 > in accordance with the ABNF for "tel" URI provided in RFC 3966. [YU] Will Change. > > - Section 4, 5th paragraph > "...the routing number in the "rn" parameter MUST be meaningful in=20 > terms of "rn-context". Although the example that follows helps clarify = > it for E.164 numbers, it is in general not well defined what=20 > "meamingful" means. Please rephrase to make it clearer. [YU] Will change the sentence. ************************** For a "local-rn", the routing number in the "rn" parameter MUST be = interpreted according to the "rn-context". =20 ************************** > > - Section 4, last paragraph > "...the CIC value in the "cic" parameter MUST be meaningful in terms=20 > of "cic-context". Semantics unclear - please rephrase to make it = clearer. [YU] Will change the sentence. ************************** For a "local-cic", the CIC value in the "cic" parameter MUST be = interpreted according to the "cic-context".=20 ************************** > > Section 5.1, 4th paragraph > "or routing information" =3D> "or routing number information" (?) [YU] Will Change the first part of the sentence to=20 ************************** If the network node does not know how to route based on the "cic" or = "rn" parameter ************************** > > Section 5.1, last paragraph > "making routing decision" =3D> "making routing decisions" > ^ [YU] Will Change. > "set to do so or may route the call to a designated network node that=20 > will access the NP database or may route the call" =3D> > ^^ > "set to do so, it may route the call to a designated network node that = > will access the NP database, or it may route the call" > =20 > ^^^ = =20 > ^ ^^ [YU] Will Change. > > Section 5.2.2, 6th paragraph > "telephone number that is the typical case for the second freephone=20 > database access, the" =3D> > > "telephone number (which is the typical case for the second freephone=20 > database access), the" > =20 > ^^^^^^ =20 [YU] Will Change. ^ > > Section 5.2.3, 2nd paragraph > "For example, if the network node is a PSTN gateway that receives an=20 > ISUP message that contains the JIP, the "rn" parameter in the "tel"=20 > URI would normally contain the correct location information." Please=20 > rephrase (it is the ISUP message that contains the correct location=20 > information which is therefore placed in the "rn" parameter in the=20 > "tel" URI). > [YU] Will change the last paragraph to ************************** For example, if the network node is a PSTN gateway that receives an ISUP = message that contains the JIP, the correct location information in the = JIP can be placed in the "rn" parameter of the "tel" URI that is = associated with the caller. ************************** > > Section 5.2.4, 2nd paragraph > "put it after the "tel:" in the "tel" URI that is used for routing" = =3D> > > "put it in the global-number-digits or local-number-digits (see RFC=20 > 3966) part of the "tel" URI that is used for routing" > =20 > = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^= [YU] Will change. > > Section 5.2.4, 3rd paragraph > "put it after "tel:" in the "tel" URI that is used for routing" =3D> > > "put it in the global-number-digits or local-number-digits (see RFC=20 > 3966) part of the "tel" URI that is used for routing" > =20 > = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^= [YU] Will change. > > Section 5.2.4, 3rd paragraph > "No "rn" SHALL appear in the "tel" URI." =3D> > > "An "rn" SHALL NOT appear in the "tel" URI." > ^^ ^^^ [YU] Will change to=20 ************************** A "rn" SHALL NOT appear in the "tel" URI unless the local policies = require the network node to include it.=20 ************************** > > Section 5.2.4, 3rd paragraph > "It is outside the scope of this document how to include the "rn"=20 > parameter if the local policies require the network node to do so." I=20 > don't follow - the previous sentence just said that you are not=20 > allowed to do so. [YU] The change above will take care of this comment. > > Section 6, example B > "provider=C6s" =3D> "provider's" [YU] I looks fine in my document but will retype. =20 > > Section 6, example E > " E. A "tel" URI, tel:+1-202-533-1234;rn=3D+1-202-000-0000;npdi, = contains > an invalid routing number (e.g., no routing information on "+1- > 202-000"), " > Example seems to assume prefix-based routing - might be good to=20 > clarify that. [YU] Will change "(e.g., no routing information on "+1-202-000") to = "e.g., no routing information on "+1-202-000-0000") so as not to explain = the prefix-based routing. =20 > > Section 8 and 9 > There are gaps in the reference numbers. In general, it would probably = > be better to use symbolic references instead of plain numbers. > 2806bis-09 is now RFC 3966. [YU] Will change. > > > -- Flemming > > > > _______________________________________________ > Iptel mailing list > Iptel@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 16:38:05 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29087 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D1XDO-0003ai-Pr for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:00:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1WmW-0002xE-AC; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:32:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1Whx-0000mS-4E for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:27:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA28035 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200502162127.QAA28035@ietf.org> Received: from dx28.winwebhosting.com ([70.85.77.84]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D1X3G-0003Js-Ds for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:49:43 -0500 Received: from acs-24-154-127-163.zoominternet.net ([24.154.127.163] helo=BROSENLT) by dx28.winwebhosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1D1Whs-0002tJ-Hk for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:27:37 -0600 From: "Brian Rosen" To: Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:27:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUTdwB62EtSERvBQh2lA+qPD5yL+wA9v5dw X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dx28.winwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Iptel] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-rosen-iptel-dialstring-01.txt X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally got this out. The plan was to ask that this get published as a individual submission. Unless there are objections, I plan to do that. Brian -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:14 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-rosen-iptel-dialstring-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Dialstring parameter for the sip URI Author(s) : B. Rosen Filename : draft-rosen-iptel-dialstring-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2005-2-14 RFC3966 explicitly states that tel uris may not represent a dial string. That leaves no way specify a dialstring in a standardized way. Great confusion exists with the SIP URI parameter "user=phone", and specifically, if it can represent a dial string. 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------=_NextPart_000_0013_F2D2D1AF.F0493151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel ------=_NextPart_000_0013_F2D2D1AF.F0493151-- From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 19:36:37 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18348 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D1a0B-0000Sd-Uv for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:58:45 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1Zbu-0000m0-TR; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:33:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1ZVA-0006bL-Nn for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:26:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA17607 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D1ZqW-0000CA-6g for iptel@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:48:44 -0500 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2005 16:37:54 -0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.90,92,1107763200"; d="scan'208"; a="615190878:sNHT20889944" Received: from flask.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@flask.cisco.com [161.44.122.62]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1H0Pwq8012852; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com ([161.44.79.182]) by flask.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id APE63272; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:26:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4213E49D.3040608@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:26:05 -0500 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" , fluffy@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: iptel Subject: [Iptel] Re: draft-ietf-iptel-trunk-group-03 X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing concerns me in this draft: You are requiring use of the phone-context parameter, even with global numbers, such as: tel:+15555551212;phone-context=telco.example.com;tgrp=tg55 Now this may be debatable, but I believe that usage is currently invalid according to RFC3966. (Phone-context is only valid with a local-number.) Here is some of the ABNF from 3966: telephone-uri = "tel:" telephone-subscriber telephone-subscriber = global-number / local-number global-number = global-number-digits *par local-number = local-number-digits *par context *par context = ";phone-context=" descriptor par = parameter / extension / isdn-subaddress extension = ";ext=" 1*phonedigit isdn-subaddress = ";isub=" 1*uric parameter = ";" pname ["=" pvalue ] pname = 1*( alphanum / "-" ) Its arguable because "phone-context" can be parsed as both a 'context' and a 'parameter'. But I think it is pretty clear that isn't the intent. (And if it was, then semantically it would just be a parameer, not a context.) So I think you need to make a *change* rather than just an *extension* to 3966 if you want to use phone-context with global numbers. Paul _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 17 20:06:21 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA04640 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D1wwj-0007Ob-E6 for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:28:41 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1wNO-00025H-4J; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:52:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D1w5B-0003HE-A3; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00998; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu ([128.59.16.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D1wQj-0006Hq-01; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:55:38 -0500 Received: from play.cs.columbia.edu (play.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.21.100]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1I0XGir016111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from play.cs.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by play.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1I0XG0M024891; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xiaotaow@localhost) by play.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id j1I0XGSg024888; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: play.cs.columbia.edu: xiaotaow owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:16 -0500 (EST) From: Xiaotao Wu To: sipping@ietf.org, iptel@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__C230066_P3_5 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: [Iptel] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 We have written a new draft on the Language for End System Services (LESS) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-iptel-less-00.txt This work can be closely related to the SIP P2P work because in a P2P network, there is no infra-structure to provide communication services, for example, phone spam filtering. Usually, users will not put their services on peers' node due to privacy and security reasons. That makes end system services very important, and it is necessary to define a mechanism for end system service creation. >From the abstract: In Internet telephony, end systems can take a large role in providing services, especially in networks without pre-configured infra-structure, such as peer-to-peer networks. Since we believe that end system services differ in their requirements from network services, we define a new service creation scripting language called the Language for End System Services (LESS). LESS inherits many characteristics from the Call Processing Language (CPL). It contains commands and events for direct user interaction and the control of media applications. This document defines the basic elements of LESS and several commonly used LESS extensions. Suggestions and comments would be appreciated. -Xiaotao =========================================================== Name : Xiaotao Wu Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (212)666-0140 Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu Office : Room 506, Computer Science building, West 120th =========================================================== _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 09:23:53 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05826 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D29Ob-0001HO-E0 for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:46:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D28w5-0005np-SQ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:16:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D28hC-0000FX-0R; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:01:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03603; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu ([128.59.16.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D292q-0000eE-RC; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:23:50 -0500 Received: from razor.cs.columbia.edu (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX1+UXe3cajbOdsCTF2Cdt9pZIyuiUcFfdew@razor.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.16.8]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1IE1Jir002274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (IDENT:U2FsdGVkX19l48K5dUBeBIWo6jrH9MlJB+m1rVXF47E@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by razor.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1IE1I7Z017070; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:01:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4215F51D.2050104@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:01:01 -0500 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arjun Roychowdhury References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: iptel@ietf.org, sipping@ietf.org, Xiaotao Wu Subject: [Iptel] Re: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arjun Roychowdhury wrote: > Xiaotao/Henning, > > Thanks for the *excellent* draft. It effectively addresses a lot of > CPL limitations. Even though your draft has the noble intent of > end-devices, I can see B2BUA providers rubbing their hands in glee ;-) We'll pursue a "don't ask, don't tell" policy in this regard :-) > > One quick comment: Is it at all possible to provide an interface using > which a person creating a service in LESS can do a database-dip to > resolve a URI ? CPL has some notion like that, for location lists. Can you describe this functionality in more detail? Would you envision the ability to put an SQL query in a script? > Hardcoding URIs into scripts is often very limiting. To make it more > general, it would be very useful if there was a way in which > applications could 'intercept' the call flow of LESS for the only > purpose of providing 'input' to the next stage. Something like a reference to an external script? (CPL has a lookup mechanism based on URIs; see RFC 3880 (Section 5.2).) > > More comments later as I digest the rest. Thanks for the comments. _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 09:45:57 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08062 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D29jz-0001tF-6r for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:08:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D29GX-0005PS-PL; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:37:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D28zq-0007ZY-0S; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05472; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu ([128.59.16.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D29LS-0001CE-HB; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:43:05 -0500 Received: from play.cs.columbia.edu (play.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.21.100]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1IEKPir006739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from play.cs.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by play.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1IEKO0M011978; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xiaotaow@localhost) by play.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id j1IEK4Gc011973; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: play.cs.columbia.edu: xiaotaow owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: Xiaotao Wu To: Gunnar Hellstrom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__C230066_P3_5 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PORN_PHRASE_15_0 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 42e3ed3f10a1d8bef690f09da16f507a Cc: iptel@ietf.org, Toip list , sipping@ietf.org, "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: [Iptel] RE: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d2b46e3b2dfbff2088e0b72a54104985 On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote: > I found this to be a good draft. > > We have a general agreement in the Sipping group that there are three real time media that > must be considered in all specifications. It is video, text and audio. Gunnar, Thank you for the comments. Yes, I will put 'text' to the specification. The 'text' media type will be for a session based text conversation, like using MSRP. SIP MESSAGE method will be handled in Instant Messaging extension. -Xiaotao > > In the Less specification, video and audio are mentioned, but not text. > Here are proposals for adding real time text to this specification. > > I would appreciate if other authors also follow this agreement. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > In section 10.1.1, there is: > > Parameters: "media" A list of medias. Possible values are "audio", > and "video". > > Proposal, I suggest to extend it to: > > Parameters: "media" A list of medias. Possible values are "audio", > "text" and "video". > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Same section 10.1.1, next parameter > > "input" The source of input. It can be "microphone", > for audio, "camera" for video, or a URL > to a media file. > > I think this parameter may need quite a bit of extension, such as "line" as an alternative > for audio input as well as URL, "line" for video etc. I would expect that you also would > like to control output, such as headset or loudspeaker for video, screen or speech > synthesis for text etc. I leave that for further discussion, when the requirements are > more clear, > but just request that you start with adding "keyboard" for text input. > > Proposal: > > "input" The source of input. It can be "microphone", > for audio, "keyboard" for text, "camera" for video, > or a URL to a media file. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > In section 11.1.2 text should be mentioned among the media. > > 11.1.2 "Midcall:merge" Action > > "Midcall:merge" actions will merge multiple calls into an end system > hosted conference. By default, audio streams will be mixed and sent > to all the call participants. Video streams are forwarded to all the > call participants. If there are held or muted calls, the hold and > mute status are kept. Their syntax is shown in Figure 14. > > Proposal: > > 11.1.2 "Midcall:merge" Action > > "Midcall:merge" actions will merge multiple calls into an end system > hosted conference. By default, audio streams will be mixed and sent > to all the call participants. Video and text streams are forwarded > to all the call participants. If there are held or muted calls, the > hold and mute status are kept. Their syntax is shown in Figure 14. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Regards > > Gunnar > > ------------------------------------------- > Gunnar Hellstrom > Omnitor AB > SWEDEN > Mob: +46 708 204 288 > www.omnitor.se > Gunnar.Hellstrom@Omnitor.se > -------------------------------------------- > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sipping-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces@ietf.org]On > >Behalf Of Xiaotao Wu > >Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:33 AM > >To: sipping@ietf.org; iptel@ietf.org > >Cc: Henning G. Schulzrinne > >Subject: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services > > > > > >We have written a new draft on the Language for End System Services (LESS) > > > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-iptel-less-00.txt > > > >This work can be closely related to the SIP P2P work because in a P2P > >network, there is no infra-structure to provide communication services, > >for example, phone spam filtering. Usually, users will not put their > >services on peers' node due to privacy and security reasons. That makes > >end system services very important, and it is necessary to define a > >mechanism for end system service creation. > > > >>From the abstract: > > > > In Internet telephony, end systems can take a large role in providing > > services, especially in networks without pre-configured > > infra-structure, such as peer-to-peer networks. Since we believe > > that end system services differ in their requirements from network > > services, we define a new service creation scripting language called > > the Language for End System Services (LESS). LESS inherits many > > characteristics from the Call Processing Language (CPL). It contains > > commands and events for direct user interaction and the control of > > media applications. This document defines the basic elements of LESS > > and several commonly used LESS extensions. > > > >Suggestions and comments would be appreciated. > > > >-Xiaotao > > > >=========================================================== > >Name : Xiaotao Wu > >Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu > >Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow > >Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (212)666-0140 > >Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 > >SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu > >Office : Room 506, Computer Science building, West 120th > >=========================================================== > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > >This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP > >Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > >Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > > > > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 10:03:30 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10969 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D2A0y-0002db-KU for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:25:56 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D29aW-00056r-3a; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:58:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D29QI-0001Lc-MU; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:48:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08266; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu ([128.59.16.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D29ly-0001xV-QN; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:10:27 -0500 Received: from play.cs.columbia.edu (play.cs.columbia.edu [128.59.21.100]) by cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1IElwir014109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from play.cs.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by play.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1IElv0M012474; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xiaotaow@localhost) by play.cs.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id j1IElvf0012471; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:47:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: play.cs.columbia.edu: xiaotaow owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:47:57 -0500 (EST) From: Xiaotao Wu To: Arjun Roychowdhury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__C230066_P3_5 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 Cc: iptel@ietf.org, sipping@ietf.org, "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: [Iptel] Re: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Arjun Roychowdhury wrote: > Xiaotao/Henning, > > Thanks for the *excellent* draft. It effectively addresses a lot of > CPL limitations. Even though your draft has the noble intent of > end-devices, I can see B2BUA providers rubbing their hands in glee ;-) > > One quick comment: Is it at all possible to provide an interface using > which a person creating a service in LESS can do a database-dip to > resolve a URI ? Arjun, Thanks for the comments! Yes, we are thinking to extend CPL 'lookup' modifier. Currently, the 'lookup' modifier has only one non-uri source -- 'registration', or a uri-list. For proxy servers, that's usually enough, but not enough for end systems. The 'lookup' modifier should be able to do a database-dip to resolve a URI. > Hardcoding URIs into scripts is often very limiting. To make it more > general, it would be very useful if there was a way in which > applications could 'intercept' the call flow of LESS for the only > purpose of providing 'input' to the next stage. In LESS, we defined a variable as 'action.last-action-result' to get the return value of the last performed action. But usually, actions do not return unpredictable values (so far, we only have UI:getinput to return arbitrary values). For predictable action results, we use action output (e.g., for 'call' action, it has 'accepted', 'busy' ... output) to handle (branch) call decisions. This way, it's easier for static script analysis, e.g., feature interaction handling when merging multiple scripts into one for execution. Thanks! -Xiaotao > > More comments later as I digest the rest. > > regds > arjun > > > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:16 -0500 (EST), Xiaotao Wu > wrote: > > We have written a new draft on the Language for End System Services (LESS) > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-iptel-less-00.txt > > > > This work can be closely related to the SIP P2P work because in a P2P > > network, there is no infra-structure to provide communication services, > > for example, phone spam filtering. Usually, users will not put their > > services on peers' node due to privacy and security reasons. That makes > > end system services very important, and it is necessary to define a > > mechanism for end system service creation. > > > > >From the abstract: > > > > In Internet telephony, end systems can take a large role in providing > > services, especially in networks without pre-configured > > infra-structure, such as peer-to-peer networks. Since we believe > > that end system services differ in their requirements from network > > services, we define a new service creation scripting language called > > the Language for End System Services (LESS). LESS inherits many > > characteristics from the Call Processing Language (CPL). It contains > > commands and events for direct user interaction and the control of > > media applications. This document defines the basic elements of LESS > > and several commonly used LESS extensions. > > > > Suggestions and comments would be appreciated. > > > > -Xiaotao > > > > =========================================================== > > Name : Xiaotao Wu > > Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu > > Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow > > Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (212)666-0140 > > Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 > > SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu > > Office : Room 506, Computer Science building, West 120th > > =========================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > > This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP > > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > > Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > > > > > -- > Arjun Roychowdhury > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 11:55:47 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06389 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D2Ble-0001SX-Uf for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:18:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D2B24-00020e-1a; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:31:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D28KM-0000jz-Bl for iptel@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:37:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01666 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.192]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D28g1-0008Ve-RG for iptel@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:00:14 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so324546wri for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 05:37:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Yh6NonECBnKJzdUCgy5JddxcWFxm//B+rw9rgX04zn53QRAmznjrdBdBVcM4m4qj1aI3fsIjm49Eca2Vmdtq+FoZJNutRcfy5v1bapCcrFNQSTauDbnA0b8xDF5L6ZVvpz6IL2Tpct5Bcl9twRvYhKVwLXLKjr2eaMja/vvtj/0= Received: by 10.54.19.58 with SMTP id 58mr38331wrs; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 05:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.17.47 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 05:37:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:37:18 -0500 From: Arjun Roychowdhury To: Xiaotao Wu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:31:07 -0500 Cc: iptel@ietf.org, sipping@ietf.org, "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: [Iptel] Re: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Arjun Roychowdhury List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xiaotao/Henning, Thanks for the *excellent* draft. It effectively addresses a lot of CPL limitations. Even though your draft has the noble intent of end-devices, I can see B2BUA providers rubbing their hands in glee ;-) One quick comment: Is it at all possible to provide an interface using which a person creating a service in LESS can do a database-dip to resolve a URI ? Hardcoding URIs into scripts is often very limiting. To make it more general, it would be very useful if there was a way in which applications could 'intercept' the call flow of LESS for the only purpose of providing 'input' to the next stage. More comments later as I digest the rest. regds arjun On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:33:16 -0500 (EST), Xiaotao Wu wrote: > We have written a new draft on the Language for End System Services (LESS) > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-iptel-less-00.txt > > This work can be closely related to the SIP P2P work because in a P2P > network, there is no infra-structure to provide communication services, > for example, phone spam filtering. Usually, users will not put their > services on peers' node due to privacy and security reasons. That makes > end system services very important, and it is necessary to define a > mechanism for end system service creation. > > >From the abstract: > > In Internet telephony, end systems can take a large role in providing > services, especially in networks without pre-configured > infra-structure, such as peer-to-peer networks. Since we believe > that end system services differ in their requirements from network > services, we define a new service creation scripting language called > the Language for End System Services (LESS). LESS inherits many > characteristics from the Call Processing Language (CPL). It contains > commands and events for direct user interaction and the control of > media applications. This document defines the basic elements of LESS > and several commonly used LESS extensions. > > Suggestions and comments would be appreciated. > > -Xiaotao > > =========================================================== > Name : Xiaotao Wu > Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu > Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow > Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (212)666-0140 > Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 > SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu > Office : Room 506, Computer Science building, West 120th > =========================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > -- Arjun Roychowdhury _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 11:57:37 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06704 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D2BnQ-0001YT-2y for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:20:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D2B37-0002Pj-SU; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:32:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D26Ew-0006yz-I2; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:24:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA19853; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx01.pi.se ([195.7.64.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D26aY-0005H5-BO; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:46:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (mx01.pi.se [127.0.0.1]) by mx01.pi.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B316BDF9D2; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx01.pi.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx01.pi.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13995-01-12; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from vit (136.240.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.240.136]) by mx01.pi.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C618DFA03; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:04 +0100 (CET) From: "Gunnar Hellstrom" To: , , "Xiaotao Wu" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pi.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:32:12 -0500 Cc: Toip list , "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: [Iptel] RE: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6640e3bbe8a4d70c4469bcdcbbf0921d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found this to be a good draft. We have a general agreement in the Sipping group that there are three real time media that must be considered in all specifications. It is video, text and audio. In the Less specification, video and audio are mentioned, but not text. Here are proposals for adding real time text to this specification. I would appreciate if other authors also follow this agreement. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In section 10.1.1, there is: Parameters: "media" A list of medias. Possible values are "audio", and "video". Proposal, I suggest to extend it to: Parameters: "media" A list of medias. Possible values are "audio", "text" and "video". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Same section 10.1.1, next parameter "input" The source of input. It can be "microphone", for audio, "camera" for video, or a URL to a media file. I think this parameter may need quite a bit of extension, such as "line" as an alternative for audio input as well as URL, "line" for video etc. I would expect that you also would like to control output, such as headset or loudspeaker for video, screen or speech synthesis for text etc. I leave that for further discussion, when the requirements are more clear, but just request that you start with adding "keyboard" for text input. Proposal: "input" The source of input. It can be "microphone", for audio, "keyboard" for text, "camera" for video, or a URL to a media file. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In section 11.1.2 text should be mentioned among the media. 11.1.2 "Midcall:merge" Action "Midcall:merge" actions will merge multiple calls into an end system hosted conference. By default, audio streams will be mixed and sent to all the call participants. Video streams are forwarded to all the call participants. If there are held or muted calls, the hold and mute status are kept. Their syntax is shown in Figure 14. Proposal: 11.1.2 "Midcall:merge" Action "Midcall:merge" actions will merge multiple calls into an end system hosted conference. By default, audio streams will be mixed and sent to all the call participants. Video and text streams are forwarded to all the call participants. If there are held or muted calls, the hold and mute status are kept. Their syntax is shown in Figure 14. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Gunnar ------------------------------------------- Gunnar Hellstrom Omnitor AB SWEDEN Mob: +46 708 204 288 www.omnitor.se Gunnar.Hellstrom@Omnitor.se -------------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: sipping-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces@ietf.org]On >Behalf Of Xiaotao Wu >Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:33 AM >To: sipping@ietf.org; iptel@ietf.org >Cc: Henning G. Schulzrinne >Subject: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services > > >We have written a new draft on the Language for End System Services (LESS) > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-iptel-less-00.txt > >This work can be closely related to the SIP P2P work because in a P2P >network, there is no infra-structure to provide communication services, >for example, phone spam filtering. Usually, users will not put their >services on peers' node due to privacy and security reasons. That makes >end system services very important, and it is necessary to define a >mechanism for end system service creation. > >>From the abstract: > > In Internet telephony, end systems can take a large role in providing > services, especially in networks without pre-configured > infra-structure, such as peer-to-peer networks. Since we believe > that end system services differ in their requirements from network > services, we define a new service creation scripting language called > the Language for End System Services (LESS). LESS inherits many > characteristics from the Call Processing Language (CPL). It contains > commands and events for direct user interaction and the control of > media applications. This document defines the basic elements of LESS > and several commonly used LESS extensions. > >Suggestions and comments would be appreciated. > >-Xiaotao > >=========================================================== >Name : Xiaotao Wu >Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu >Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow >Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (212)666-0140 >Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 >SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu >Office : Room 506, Computer Science building, West 120th >=========================================================== > >_______________________________________________ >Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping >This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP >Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip >Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 11:58:40 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06794 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D2BoR-0001a7-Gf for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:21:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D2B38-0002Po-8o; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:32:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D29oT-0002sw-D1; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:13:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA13424; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx01.pi.se ([195.7.64.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D2AA9-00033S-7Q; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:35:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (mx01.pi.se [127.0.0.1]) by mx01.pi.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8347DF9A1; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:12:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx01.pi.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx01.pi.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25981-01-53; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:12:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from vit (136.240.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.240.136]) by mx01.pi.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21285DFA3B; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:12:08 +0100 (CET) From: "Gunnar Hellstrom" To: "Xiaotao Wu" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:12:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pi.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f2984bf50fb52a9e56055f779793d783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:32:12 -0500 Cc: iptel@ietf.org, Toip list , sipping@ietf.org, "Henning G. Schulzrinne" Subject: [Iptel] RE: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97c820c82c68af374c4e382a80dc5017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xiaotao, The main text medium I think about is the real time conversational text medium defined in rfc2793 and rfc2793bis. It is declared as any other real time medium in sdp with m=text The flow is real time interactive, character by character or in 300 ms time chunks. Transmission is by RTP with reliability created by RFC 2198 redundancy. It correspponds to audio and video in real time user experience and is needed to maintain a good result of a text conversation. We have discussed to use MSRP in the SIMPLE group for this purpose, but found it too heavy for real time use. MSRP is for messaging during sessions. rfc2793bis is for real time conversation during sessions. Of course MSRP messaging needs to have its end system control as well, so some more words may be needed to include message oriented media. I hope you look into what is needed for that mode. Gunnar ------------------------------------------- Gunnar Hellstrom Omnitor AB Renathvagen 2 SE 121 37 Johanneshov SWEDEN +46 8 556 002 03 Mob: +46 708 204 288 www.omnitor.se Gunnar.Hellstrom@Omnitor.se -------------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: Xiaotao Wu [mailto:xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu] >Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:20 PM >To: Gunnar Hellstrom >Cc: iptel@ietf.org; sipping@ietf.org; Toip list; Henning G. Schulzrinne >Subject: RE: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services > > >On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote: > >> I found this to be a good draft. >> >> We have a general agreement in the Sipping group that there are three real >time media that >> must be considered in all specifications. It is video, text and audio. > >Gunnar, > >Thank you for the comments. >Yes, I will put 'text' to the specification. >The 'text' media type will be for a session based text conversation, like >using MSRP. SIP MESSAGE method will be handled in Instant Messaging >extension. > >-Xiaotao > >> >> In the Less specification, video and audio are mentioned, but not text. >> Here are proposals for adding real time text to this specification. >> >> I would appreciate if other authors also follow this agreement. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> In section 10.1.1, there is: >> >> Parameters: "media" A list of medias. Possible values are "audio", >> and "video". >> >> Proposal, I suggest to extend it to: >> >> Parameters: "media" A list of medias. Possible values are "audio", >> "text" and "video". >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Same section 10.1.1, next parameter >> >> "input" The source of input. It can be "microphone", >> for audio, "camera" for video, or a URL >> to a media file. >> >> I think this parameter may need quite a bit of extension, such as "line" as an >alternative >> for audio input as well as URL, "line" for video etc. I would expect that you >also would >> like to control output, such as headset or loudspeaker for video, screen or speech >> synthesis for text etc. I leave that for further discussion, when the requirements are >> more clear, >> but just request that you start with adding "keyboard" for text input. >> >> Proposal: >> >> "input" The source of input. It can be "microphone", >> for audio, "keyboard" for text, "camera" for video, >> or a URL to a media file. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> In section 11.1.2 text should be mentioned among the media. >> >> 11.1.2 "Midcall:merge" Action >> >> "Midcall:merge" actions will merge multiple calls into an end system >> hosted conference. By default, audio streams will be mixed and sent >> to all the call participants. Video streams are forwarded to all the >> call participants. If there are held or muted calls, the hold and >> mute status are kept. Their syntax is shown in Figure 14. >> >> Proposal: >> >> 11.1.2 "Midcall:merge" Action >> >> "Midcall:merge" actions will merge multiple calls into an end system >> hosted conference. By default, audio streams will be mixed and sent >> to all the call participants. Video and text streams are forwarded >> to all the call participants. If there are held or muted calls, the >> hold and mute status are kept. Their syntax is shown in Figure 14. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Regards >> >> Gunnar >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> Gunnar Hellstrom >> Omnitor AB >> SWEDEN >> Mob: +46 708 204 288 >> www.omnitor.se >> Gunnar.Hellstrom@Omnitor.se >> -------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: sipping-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces@ietf.org]On >> >Behalf Of Xiaotao Wu >> >Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:33 AM >> >To: sipping@ietf.org; iptel@ietf.org >> >Cc: Henning G. Schulzrinne >> >Subject: [Sipping] New draft on end system communication services >> > >> > >> >We have written a new draft on the Language for End System Services (LESS) >> > >> >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-iptel-less-00.txt >> > >> >This work can be closely related to the SIP P2P work because in a P2P >> >network, there is no infra-structure to provide communication services, >> >for example, phone spam filtering. Usually, users will not put their >> >services on peers' node due to privacy and security reasons. That makes >> >end system services very important, and it is necessary to define a >> >mechanism for end system service creation. >> > >> >>From the abstract: >> > >> > In Internet telephony, end systems can take a large role in providing >> > services, especially in networks without pre-configured >> > infra-structure, such as peer-to-peer networks. Since we believe >> > that end system services differ in their requirements from network >> > services, we define a new service creation scripting language called >> > the Language for End System Services (LESS). LESS inherits many >> > characteristics from the Call Processing Language (CPL). It contains >> > commands and events for direct user interaction and the control of >> > media applications. This document defines the basic elements of LESS >> > and several commonly used LESS extensions. >> > >> >Suggestions and comments would be appreciated. >> > >> >-Xiaotao >> > >> >=========================================================== >> >Name : Xiaotao Wu >> >Email : xiaotaow@cs.columbia.edu >> >Homepage : http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~xiaotaow >> >Phone : (212)939-7054, Fax: (212)666-0140 >> >Phone-PC : (212)939-7133 >> >SIP : sip:xiaotaow@conductor.cs.columbia.edu >> >Office : Room 506, Computer Science building, West 120th >> >=========================================================== >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping >> >This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP >> >Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip >> >Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel From iptel-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 16:36:44 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25180 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D2G9a-0006T9-8Y for iptel-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:59:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D2Et7-0007sY-Jv; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:38:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D2Eh3-0002yu-8K; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:25:41 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08790; Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:25:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200502182025.PAA08790@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:25:39 -0500 Cc: iptel@ietf.org Subject: [Iptel] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-iptel-tel-np-04.txt X-BeenThere: iptel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Telephony List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: iptel-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: iptel-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1a1bf7677bfe77d8af1ebe0e91045c5b --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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This draft is a work item of the IP Telephony Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Telephony Gateway REgistration Protocol (TGREP) Author(s) : M. Bangalore, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-iptel-tgrep-05.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2005-2-22 This document describes the Telephony Gateway Registration Protocol (TGREP) for registration of telephony prefixes supported by telephony gateways and soft switches. The registration mechanism can also be used to export resource information. The prefix and resource information can then be passed on to a TRIP Location Server, which in turn can propogate that routing information within the same, and other internet telephony administrative domains (ITAD). TGREP shares a lot of similarites with the TRIP Protocol. It has similar procedures and Finite State Machine for session establishment. It also shares the same format for messaages and a subset of attributes with TRIP. 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To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-2-22160406.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iptel-tgrep-05.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-iptel-tgrep-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2005-2-22160406.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Iptel mailing list Iptel@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iptel --NextPart--