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In-Reply-To: <006401bf6c9b$46dbbdc0$1d0110ac@future.futsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net At 15:31 01/02/2000 +0530, Jorge wrote: >hi, > Now i find a conflict for IS-IS PDU authentication Code value > defined .In ISO 10589 ,1998. which inidcate this code value should be 10, > but in RFC 1195 ,which define this value to be 133 .so what is on earth > the correct value ? or maybe my understanding is not correct ? Pls give > me advice . > Thanks ,anyway ! I'm pretty sure 10 is the one that is used. RFC 1195 was written when 10589 was only at DIS stage, and there were various technical changes between DIS and IS. One of those was the introduction of the authentication TLV using 10 (i.e. the next unused TLV code point). This was identical in functionality to that which had been put in RFC 1195. So I think the 133 one is now unused. There was a draft (authored by Ross Callon and Chris Gunner) put out some time later (around 1994 I think) which withdrew the 133 value (and incidentally made some improvements to the L1 L2 propagation mechanisms), but by that time the IETF had lost interest in IS-IS and so it never got progressed. Mike _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 10:15:58 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21231 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA86334; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacardi.vertel.com (zinfandel.vertel.com [207.238.118.22]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA86305 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sierra.vertel.com ([172.16.24.36]) by bacardi.vertel.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-61713U300L300S0V35) with SMTP id com; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:12:23 -0800 Received: by sierra.vertel.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA00771; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:07:17 -0800 From: "Lester Ginsberg" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:07:17 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Shand Cc: "Jorge" , "IS-IS-Group" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] for a IS-IS conflict . In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> References: <006401bf6c9b$46dbbdc0$1d0110ac@future.futsoft.com> <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14486.62692.949631.171153@sierra> Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since several people over the last few weeks - not just Jorge - have referenced the 1998 Second Edition Draft of ISO 10589 as if it were a standard I feel it is time to reiterate the following: The 1998 Second Edition Draft is NOT an approved standard. It is a draft with lots of problems. It was posted to this group as a means of getting reviewed. It should NOT be used as a reference for validating protocol implementations. Hopefully, someday, there will be a new Second Edition Draft which resolves these problems - until then stick with the 1992 edition. Les > At 15:31 01/02/2000 +0530, Jorge wrote: > >hi, > > Now i find a conflict for IS-IS PDU authentication Code value > > defined .In ISO 10589 ,1998. which inidcate this code value should be 10, > > but in RFC 1195 ,which define this value to be 133 .so what is on earth > > the correct value ? or maybe my understanding is not correct ? Pls give > > me advice . > > Thanks ,anyway ! > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 10:34:00 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22060 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA86409; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from jaws.cisco.com (jaws.cisco.com [198.135.0.150]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA86377 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mshand-8kcdt (lon-sto4-lan-vlan133-dhcp44.cisco.com [144.254.108.111]) by jaws.cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13038; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:30:15 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000201152508.009a9580@jaws.cisco.com> X-Sender: mshand@jaws.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:30:17 +0000 To: "Lester Ginsberg" From: Mike Shand Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] for a IS-IS conflict . Cc: "Jorge" , "IS-IS-Group" In-Reply-To: <14486.62692.949631.171153@sierra> References: <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> <006401bf6c9b$46dbbdc0$1d0110ac@future.futsoft.com> <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net At 07:07 01/02/2000 -0800, Lester Ginsberg wrote: >Since several people over the last few weeks - not just Jorge - have >referenced the 1998 Second Edition Draft of ISO 10589 as if it were a >standard I feel it is time to reiterate the following: > >The 1998 Second Edition Draft is NOT an approved standard. It is a >draft with lots of problems. It was posted to this group as a means of >getting reviewed. It should NOT be used as a reference for validating >protocol implementations. Hopefully, someday, there will be a new >Second Edition Draft which resolves these problems - until then stick >with the 1992 edition. Absolutely. The so called second edition is plain WRONG in a number of critical places. However, the authentication code value in question appears equally in the 1992 version. But I guess this raises an interesting question about how one is supposed to decide whether to believe ISO/IEC 10589:1992 or RFC 1195 when they conflict. Mike > Les > > > > > At 15:31 01/02/2000 +0530, Jorge wrote: > > >hi, > > > Now i find a conflict for IS-IS PDU authentication Code value > > > defined .In ISO 10589 ,1998. which inidcate this code value should > be 10, > > > but in RFC 1195 ,which define this value to be 133 .so what is on earth > > > the correct value ? or maybe my understanding is not correct ? Pls > give > > > me advice . > > > Thanks ,anyway ! > > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 10:57:00 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22978 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA86513; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacardi.vertel.com (zinfandel.vertel.com [207.238.118.22]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA86482 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sierra.vertel.com ([172.16.24.36]) by bacardi.vertel.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-61713U300L300S0V35) with SMTP id com; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:53:30 -0800 Received: by sierra.vertel.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA00834; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:48:24 -0800 From: "Lester Ginsberg" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:48:24 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Shand Cc: "Lester Ginsberg" , "Jorge" , "IS-IS-Group" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] for a IS-IS conflict . In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000201152508.009a9580@jaws.cisco.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> <006401bf6c9b$46dbbdc0$1d0110ac@future.futsoft.com> <14486.62692.949631.171153@sierra> <4.2.0.58.20000201152508.009a9580@jaws.cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14486.65111.803599.298861@sierra> Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Shand writes: > > But I guess this raises an interesting question about how one is supposed > to decide whether to believe ISO/IEC 10589:1992 or RFC 1195 when they conflict. > This is an example of the potential benefits of an "Integrated Specification" i.e. a version that combines 10589:1992, defect reports, RFC 1195, traffic engineering extensions into a single document or aligned collection of documents. This notion is part of a proposed agenda within ISO SC6/WG7 and which has received some informal verbal support from both ISO and IETF officialdom. Obviously such an effort requires participation from both communities. I hope in the coming months that this agenda "sees the light of day" and that when contemplating such an agenda that Mike's question/point is considered. Les _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 13:43:19 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28365 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA86688; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragonfly.corp.home.net (dragonfly.corp.home.net [24.0.31.130]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA86661 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragonfly.corp.home.net (rja@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragonfly.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02186; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:39:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002011839.NAA02186@dragonfly.corp.home.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: "Lester Ginsberg" cc: "IS-IS-Group" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] for a IS-IS conflict . In-Reply-To: Message from "Lester Ginsberg" of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 07:48:24 PST." <14486.65111.803599.298861@sierra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:39:40 -0500 From: Ran Atkinson Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net My (possibly incorrect) understanding is that IAB/IESG has sent a formal liaison to ISO requesting that ISO ISIS WG be re-activated. I'm less clear on whether ISO sent a formal reply. Ran rja@corp.home.net _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 18:35:58 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09704 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA86953; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from miata.procket.com (miata.procket.com [205.253.146.45]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA86922 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by miata.procket.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05090; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:32:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:32:19 -0800 Message-Id: <200002012332.PAA05090@miata.procket.com> X-Authentication-Warning: miata.procket.com: tli set sender to tli@miata.procket.com using -f From: Tony Li To: rja@corp.home.net CC: lester-ginsberg@vertel.com, isis-wg@external.juniper.net In-reply-to: <200002011839.NAA02186@dragonfly.corp.home.net> (message from Ran Atkinson on Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:39:40 -0500) Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] for a IS-IS conflict . References: <200002011839.NAA02186@dragonfly.corp.home.net> Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net | My (possibly incorrect) understanding is that IAB/IESG has sent a | formal liaison to ISO requesting that ISO ISIS WG be re-activated. I'm | less clear on whether ISO sent a formal reply. My understanding is that we (IETF) asked for a liaison to TC6, which was granted. However, the lack of interest in the ISO makes the communication rather one-sided. Tony _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 18:38:13 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09752 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA86996; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from miata.procket.com (miata.procket.com [205.253.146.45]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA86969 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by miata.procket.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05157; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:34:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:34:19 -0800 Message-Id: <200002012334.PAA05157@miata.procket.com> X-Authentication-Warning: miata.procket.com: tli set sender to tli@miata.procket.com using -f From: Tony Li To: mshand@cisco.com CC: lester-ginsberg@vertel.com, tangcm@future.futsoft.com, isis-wg@external.juniper.net In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000201152508.009a9580@jaws.cisco.com> (message from Mike Shand on Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:30:17 +0000) Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] for a IS-IS conflict . References: <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> <006401bf6c9b$46dbbdc0$1d0110ac@future.futsoft.com> <4.2.0.58.20000201112132.009b9f00@jaws.cisco.com> <4.2.0.58.20000201152508.009a9580@jaws.cisco.com> Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net | But I guess this raises an interesting question about how one is supposed | to decide whether to believe ISO/IEC 10589:1992 or RFC 1195 when they conflict. Well, one thing that WE can do is to issue updates that supersede RFC 1195. For example, on the TLV number, we can edict that we use code point 10 now. Tony _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 1 23:11:33 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA15626 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA87265; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from fsnt.future.futusoft.com ([203.197.140.35]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA87236 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futusoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:45:33 +0530 Received: from navaneethk.future.futsoft.com ([172.16.1.28]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA03179 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:25:59 +0530 Received: by navaneethk.future.futsoft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF6D60.E31119E0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com>; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:35:48 -0800 Message-Id: <01BF6D60.E31119E0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> From: navaneeth K To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:35:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by external.juniper.net id UAA87237 Subject: [Isis-wg] CLV encoding for Integrated ISIS... Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi... Keeping aside the conflicting codes for th CLV encoding for authentication in ISO 10589 and RFC 1195, What about the other CLVs? Are the codes given in RFC 1195, being used in implementations? Do we have any documents wihich give us a list of codes to be used for the variable length fields to be encoded using CLV? Any help in this regard is most welcome. -Thanx Navaneeth. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Wed Feb 2 16:40:36 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22053 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA88463; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from miata.procket.com (miata.procket.com [205.253.146.45]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA88432 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by miata.procket.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA18900; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:35:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:35:22 -0800 Message-Id: <200002022135.NAA18900@miata.procket.com> X-Authentication-Warning: miata.procket.com: tli set sender to tli@miata.procket.com using -f From: Tony Li To: navaneethk@future.futsoft.com CC: isis-wg@external.juniper.net In-reply-to: <01BF6D60.E31119E0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> (message from navaneeth K on Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:35:47 -0800) Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] CLV encoding for Integrated ISIS... References: <01BF6D60.E31119E0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net | Keeping aside the conflicting codes for th CLV encoding for | authentication in ISO 10589 and RFC 1195, What about the other CLVs? Are | the codes given in RFC 1195, being used in implementations? Do we have | any documents wihich give us a list of codes to be used for the variable | length fields to be encoded using CLV? Yes, the other codes specified in RFC 1195 are in use. Note that I don't think any of them has been ratified by ISO, but they've not objected either. ISO 10589 and RFC 1195 are the current definitive sources for TLV code points. Tony _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Thu Feb 3 00:25:06 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA29049 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA88862; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fsnt.future.futusoft.com ([203.197.140.35]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA88834 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futusoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:54:37 +0530 Received: from navaneethk.future.futsoft.com ([172.16.1.28]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA26304; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:34:53 +0530 Received: by navaneethk.future.futsoft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF6E33.AE7EDB80@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com>; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:44:43 -0800 Message-Id: <01BF6E33.AE7EDB80@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> From: navaneeth K To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Cc: "'jparker@nexabit.com'" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:44:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] Clarification With respect to ISIS MIB Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have few doubts on the MIB for IS-IS. 1. Some tables have got objects, Operstate and ExistState. For Ex, isisSysTable has IsisSysOperState and isisSysExistState. What is the significance of these two objects and how do they differ. Is ExistState equivalent to AdminStatus?, "Setting it off make the Router forget all current states". Does it mean clearing all the databases of IS-IS and making the Protocol down. Please clarify. 2. I am not clear about the correlation between the objects and isisSysNextCircIndex and isisCircIndex. 3. isisCircTable has an object "isisManAdjNeighNSAP" . What is the purpose of this object. Where it is used? 4. Could you explain the object "isisIPRouteForw" in isisIPDestTable. 5. What do the circuit types StaticIn and StaticOut stand for in isisCirctype? 6. What are the MeshGroup entires used for? How do we use this? Thanks Regards -vani ------ Navaneeth. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Thu Feb 3 09:53:55 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19420 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA89499; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA89467 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04980 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bandito.nexabit.com (h135-17-240-4.lucent.com [135.17.240.4]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04952 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by h135-17-240-4.outland.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jeff Parker To: navaneeth K , "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Isis-wg] RE: Clarification With respect to ISIS MIB Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net > Hi, > > > I have few doubts on the MIB for IS-IS. > > 1. Some tables have got objects, Operstate and ExistState. > For Ex, isisSysTable has > IsisSysOperState and isisSysExistState. What is the > significance of these two objects > and how do they differ. Is ExistState equivalent to > AdminStatus?, "Setting it off make the > Router forget all current states". Does it mean clearing all > the databases of IS-IS and making the > Protocol down. Please clarify. There are three types of things in mib speak Does this object exist? (Exist state) Do I want this object active? (Admin State) Is this object operating? (Oper State) We are currently using OperState in many spots where we should be using AdminState, but that is another story. ExistState is used to help clarify the steps in creating a new item. If Isis had a SystemAdminState, and you set it to Down, you would hope that configuration, such as system id, would be remembered when SystemAdminState was reset to Up. However, seting isisSysExistState to isisSysExistState_destroy should clear setting such as isisSysID. > 2. I am not clear about the correlation between the > objects and isisSysNextCircIndex and isisCircIndex. I is useful to have a circuit Index that is unique within the instance of Isis. The variable isisSysNextCircIndex is a system wide variable that can be used with an SNMP convention called TestAndIncr to provide the "next" value. It works like the roll of numbers you see at the bakery: you tear off the next number, and you will be the only person in the shop with that number. > 3. isisCircTable has an object "isisManAdjNeighNSAP" . > What is the purpose of this object. > Where it is used? If you wish to have a configured adjacency, rather than one created by the exchange of hello messages, this variable holds the SystemId of the other side which you would otherwise discover in the hello packets. > 4. Could you explain the object "isisIPRouteForw" in > isisIPDestTable. This looks like a "next hop" description. > 5. What do the circuit types StaticIn and StaticOut stand for > in isisCirctype? These look like simplex (one way) circuits. > 6. What are the MeshGroup entires used for? How do we use this? There is a draft describing their use... draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt > Thanks > Regards > -vani > > ------ > Navaneeth. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Thu Feb 3 15:39:26 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29268 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA89798; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from siara.com (fw.siara.com [209.10.58.69]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA89769 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from siara.com (prz-laptop.mtv.siara.com [192.168.1.96]) by siara.com (8.9.3-LCCHA/8.9.3/lccha Siara hub 1.4) with ESMTP id MAA22325; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:32:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3899E600.1BC75B4E@siara.com> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 15:33:04 -0500 From: Tony Przygienda Organization: Siara Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Li , Henk Smit , isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] comments on Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did some more carefull reading and here comments: * please use either "octets" or "bytes" consistently, confusing to have both strawn across the draft (or is there some subtle difference I'm missing ?) * 4 bytes of metric information 1 byte of control information, consisting of 1 bit of up/down information 1 bit indicating the existence of sub-TLVs 6 bits of prefix length you may need to spell out which bits are what, is up/down least or most significant bit ? * sub-TLV format is not given, since all the sub-tlvs have fixed length is the length field contained in sub-tlv format or not, so e.g. for sub-tlv 3 is it byte 1 3 byte 2-5 4 bytes ad-group or byte 1 3 byte 2 4 (length) byte 3-6 4 bytes ad-group ? First is denser, 2nd is extensible (sub-sub-TLVs ?) and consistent with today's TLV encoding. Please spell out which is used in the draft _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Sun Feb 6 23:51:29 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17434 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA95659; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fsnt.future.futusoft.com ([203.197.140.35]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA95634 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futusoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:25:51 +0530 Received: from navaneethk.future.futsoft.com ([172.16.1.28]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA01660 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:08:30 +0530 Received: by navaneethk.future.futsoft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF7154.4F549CC0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com>; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:15:51 -0800 Message-Id: <01BF7154.4F549CC0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> From: navaneeth K To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:15:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] Draft needed... Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi... Can any of you tell me where the draft , < draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt> can be found.. Thanx Navaneeth. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 7 10:51:35 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA13243 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA96357; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from castillo.torrentnet.com (castillo.torrentnet.com [4.18.161.34]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA96325 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from torrentnet.com (balay.torrentnet.com [4.18.161.105]) by castillo.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13189; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:47:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <389EE8DD.83E07458@torrentnet.com> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:46:37 -0500 From: Rajesh Balay Organization: Ericsson IP Infrastructure (formerly Torrent Networking Tech.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: navaneeth K CC: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Draft needed... References: <01BF7154.4F549CC0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its available at the IETF drafts directory : http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt -rajesh navaneeth K wrote: > Hi... > Can any of you tell me where the draft , < draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt> > can be found.. > Thanx > Navaneeth. > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net > http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 7 17:36:53 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23433 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA96803; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from yarilo.pluris.com (pluris.com [208.227.9.12]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA96772 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from monterey.pluris.com (monterey.pluris.com [172.16.50.17]) by yarilo.pluris.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01022 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by monterey.pluris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:32:53 -0800 Message-ID: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B640CA8C@monterey.pluris.com> From: Satish Dattatri To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:32:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Isis-wg] Qn on Pt-Pt IIH Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Hi, I have a question on pt-pt iih processing: While processing a pt-pt iih does the max area in the packet need to match always? according to [8.2.5.2 (a)] In case of Lan IIH we see if the max area check is enabled or not before discarding the packet. Or is there a error in the version 2 draft here. thanks, satish _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 7 18:12:06 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23980 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96877; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacardi.vertel.com (zinfandel.vertel.com [207.238.118.22]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96848 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sierra.vertel.com ([172.16.24.36]) by bacardi.vertel.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-61713U300L300S0V35) with SMTP id com; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:02:15 -0800 Received: by sierra.vertel.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA01541; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:57:12 -0800 From: "Lester Ginsberg" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:57:12 -0800 (PST) To: Satish Dattatri Cc: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Subject: [Isis-wg] Qn on Pt-Pt IIH In-Reply-To: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B640CA8C@monterey.pluris.com> References: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B640CA8C@monterey.pluris.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14495.19406.643040.821370@sierra> Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text in 8.2.5.2(a) in 1998 draft appears identical to the text in 8.2.4.2(a) 1992 spec. And both clearly state text which is identical to the LAN IIH case (8.4.2.2(b) - 1992): "...unless the IS only implements a value of three... in which case this check may be omitted." So I am rather confused as to why you think LAN/P2P are different in this regard. And, once again, I repeat to one and all - please do NOT use the 1998 draft as a reference for protocol implementations. It is not an approved standard, it has lots of problems. Until a newer revision is available - 1992 is what to live by. (Sorry for the repetition of this warning - but it seems necessary.) Les Satish Dattatri writes: > Hi, > I have a question on pt-pt iih processing: > > While processing a pt-pt iih does the max area > in the packet need to match always? according to > [8.2.5.2 (a)] > > In case of Lan IIH we see if the max area check > is enabled or not before discarding the packet. > > Or is there a error in the version 2 draft here. > > thanks, > satish > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net > http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 7 18:15:34 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24023 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96933; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from yarilo.pluris.com (pluris.com [208.227.9.12]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96905 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from monterey.pluris.com (monterey.pluris.com [172.16.50.17]) by yarilo.pluris.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03017 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by monterey.pluris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:11:38 -0800 Message-ID: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B61EBC0E@monterey.pluris.com> From: Nageswara Rao Soma To: Satish Dattatri , "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Qn on Pt-Pt IIH Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:11:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Satish Dattatri [mailto:satish@pluris.com] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 02:33 PM > To: 'isis-wg@external.juniper.net' > Subject: [Isis-wg] Qn on Pt-Pt IIH > > > Hi, > I have a question on pt-pt iih processing: > > While processing a pt-pt iih does the max area > in the packet need to match always? according to > [8.2.5.2 (a)] Value of isisSysMaxAreaCheck may have the same impact on point-to-point IIH processing as it does for LAN IIH. > In case of Lan IIH we see if the max area check > is enabled or not before discarding the packet. I did not find any difference between processing of LAN IIH and PtPt IIH in this context. Correct me, if I am wrong. > Or is there a error in the version 2 draft here. > > thanks, > satish > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net > http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 7 18:17:40 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24058 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96984; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from yarilo.pluris.com (pluris.com [208.227.9.12]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96952 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from monterey.pluris.com (monterey.pluris.com [172.16.50.17]) by yarilo.pluris.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03055; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by monterey.pluris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:13:33 -0800 Message-ID: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B640CA8D@monterey.pluris.com> From: Satish Dattatri To: "'Lester Ginsberg'" , Satish Dattatri Cc: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Qn on Pt-Pt IIH Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:13:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net That is what I had in mind, both should be processed the same. sorry I overlooked, satish -----Original Message----- From: Lester Ginsberg [mailto:lester-ginsberg@vertel.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 2:57 PM To: Satish Dattatri Cc: 'isis-wg@external.juniper.net' Subject: [Isis-wg] Qn on Pt-Pt IIH The text in 8.2.5.2(a) in 1998 draft appears identical to the text in 8.2.4.2(a) 1992 spec. And both clearly state text which is identical to the LAN IIH case (8.4.2.2(b) - 1992): "...unless the IS only implements a value of three... in which case this check may be omitted." So I am rather confused as to why you think LAN/P2P are different in this regard. And, once again, I repeat to one and all - please do NOT use the 1998 draft as a reference for protocol implementations. It is not an approved standard, it has lots of problems. Until a newer revision is available - 1992 is what to live by. (Sorry for the repetition of this warning - but it seems necessary.) Les Satish Dattatri writes: > Hi, > I have a question on pt-pt iih processing: > > While processing a pt-pt iih does the max area > in the packet need to match always? according to > [8.2.5.2 (a)] > > In case of Lan IIH we see if the max area check > is enabled or not before discarding the packet. > > Or is there a error in the version 2 draft here. > > thanks, > satish > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net > http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 8 00:37:27 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA29325 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA97302; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from fsnt.future.futusoft.com ([203.197.140.35]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA97273 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futusoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 11:09:03 +0530 Received: from navaneethk.future.futsoft.com ([172.16.1.28]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA14804 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:51:20 +0530 Received: by navaneethk.future.futsoft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF7223.72404660@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com>; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:58:35 -0800 Message-Id: <01BF7223.72404660@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> From: navaneeth K To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:58:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] Draft needed... Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi... Can any of you tell me where the draft , < draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt> can be found.. The given link http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt points to broken link... The draft is not accessible from here.. Any other Links?? Thanx Navaneeth. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 8 09:03:20 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21502 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA97909; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fsnt.future.futusoft.com ([203.197.140.35]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA97881 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futusoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:37:01 +0530 Received: from navaneethk.future.futsoft.com ([172.16.1.28]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA26190 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:19:25 +0530 Received: by navaneethk.future.futsoft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF726A.701530C0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com>; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:26:46 -0800 Message-Id: <01BF726A.701530C0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> From: navaneeth K To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:26:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] (no subject) Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi... Anybody out there knows any router that supports ISIS over NBMA/X.25/FR ?? Thanx Navaneeth.. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 8 20:19:35 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA14366 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA98469; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from yarilo.pluris.com (pluris.com [208.227.9.12]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA98425 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from monterey.pluris.com (monterey.pluris.com [172.16.50.17]) by yarilo.pluris.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23321; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by monterey.pluris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:15:25 -0800 Message-ID: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B640CA9E@monterey.pluris.com> From: Satish Dattatri To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Cc: "'jparker@nexabit.com'" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:15:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Isis-wg] MeshGroup in MIB Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net HI, There seems to be a typo in the mib regarding meshgroups. In the object isisCircMeshGroup description: "... If isisCircMeshGroupEnable is false, this value is ignored." ^^^^^^ The fasle should be inactive. thanks, satish _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Wed Feb 9 00:47:30 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19116 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA98711; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.balink.com (baisgate.balink.com [199.45.32.51]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA98681 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by HERMES with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1LTYMDW9>; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:43:35 -0500 Message-ID: <4F8C08CC6E76D311AD1F00508B7872495DA5E4@HERMES> From: "Martin, Christian" To: "'navaneeth K'" , "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Draft needed... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:43:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Looks as if it has been repaired... Internet Engineering Task Force R.Balay INTERNET DRAFT D.Katz J.Parker Mon Jun 14 1999 IS-IS Mesh Groups 1. Status of this Memo This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance with all provisions of Section 10 of RFC 2026. Internet-Drafts are working documents <-snip-> /chris > -----Original Message----- > From: navaneeth K [mailto:navaneethk@future.futsoft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 1:59 PM > To: 'isis-wg@external.juniper.net' > Subject: [Isis-wg] Draft needed... > > > Hi... > Can any of you tell me where the draft , < > draft-balay-katz-parker-mesh-00.txt> > can be found.. > The given link > http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-balay-katz-parker > -mesh-00.txt points to broken link... > The draft is not accessible from here.. Any other Links?? > Thanx > Navaneeth. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net > http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Thu Feb 10 14:09:53 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07889 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00838; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from yarilo.pluris.com (pluris.com [208.227.9.12]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00811 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from monterey.pluris.com (monterey.pluris.com [172.16.50.17]) by yarilo.pluris.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17343 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by monterey.pluris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:05:34 -0800 Message-ID: <6342F12F9359D311990B009027A1B9B640CAA9@monterey.pluris.com> From: Satish Dattatri To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:05:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Subject: [Isis-wg] ISO 10589 : 1992 Edition Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Hi, Does anyone have a digital copy of 1992 spec? OR do one have to buy a printed version only. Thanks, satish _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Thu Feb 10 14:20:09 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08195 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00904; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00876 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00941 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bandito.nexabit.com (h135-17-240-4.lucent.com [135.17.240.4]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00906 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by BANDITO with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1LY653AZ>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jeff Parker To: Satish Dattatri , "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] ISO 10589 : 1992 Edition Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net > Hi, > Does anyone have a digital copy of > 1992 spec? OR do one have to buy a > printed version only. > > Thanks, > satish Satish - Check RFC 1142, a reprinting of 10589. There are Text and postscript versions. The text version is a poor imitation. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1142.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1142.ps - jeff parker _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Thu Feb 10 14:57:06 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08911 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01035; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.cosinecom.com (proxy4.cosinecom.com [208.248.148.132]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01004 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosinecom.com by blue.cosinecom.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id LAA21847; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:52:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38A31705.12EC685C@cosinecom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:52:37 -0500 From: dclemmen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Isis-wg@external.juniper.net Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] ISO 10589 : 1992 Edition References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Parker wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a digital copy of > > 1992 spec? OR do one have to buy a > > printed version only. > > > > Thanks, > > satish > > Satish - > Check RFC 1142, a reprinting of 10589. > There are Text and postscript versions. > The text version is a poor imitation. > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1142.txt > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1142.ps > > - jeff parker RFC1142 claims to be the 1990 version of the document, I think. Satish is looking for the 1992 version. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Fri Feb 11 03:20:58 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA02414 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01624; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from jaws.cisco.com (jaws.cisco.com [198.135.0.150]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01597 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mshand-8kcdt (lon-sto4-lan-vlan133-dhcp48.cisco.com [144.254.108.115]) by jaws.cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04435 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:17:06 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000211080404.00a88bf0@jaws.cisco.com> X-Sender: mshand@jaws.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:14:09 +0000 To: Isis-wg@external.juniper.net From: Mike Shand Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] ISO 10589 : 1992 Edition In-Reply-To: <38A31705.12EC685C@cosinecom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net At 14:52 10/02/2000 -0500, dclemmen wrote: >Jeff Parker wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anyone have a digital copy of > > > 1992 spec? OR do one have to buy a > > > printed version only. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > satish > > > > Satish - > > Check RFC 1142, a reprinting of 10589. > > There are Text and postscript versions. > > The text version is a poor imitation. > > > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1142.txt > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1142.ps > > > > - jeff parker > >RFC1142 claims to be the 1990 version of the document, I think. >Satish is looking for the 1992 version. Yes. RFC1142 is a copy of the DP version of 10589. For those unfamiliar with ISO terminology (in those days), there were 3 stages; DP, DIS and IS. DP was the first stage of submission, and numerous changes were made between then and publication of the final standard. I wouldn't try to work off RFC1142 (nor, as has oft been repeated, would I try to work off the so called version 2 of 10589 which is plain WRONG). The best course is to get hold of a copy of the original version 1 (ISO/IEC 10589:1992) AND the various technical corrigenda. These mostly correct trivial errors, but there are some (for example the operation of partition repair; should anyone be foolhardy enough to implement it) which correct very serious bugs. I don't know what the current rules are, but as far as I am aware ISO standards still cannot be made publicly available. >_______________________________________________ >Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net >http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Sat Feb 12 00:14:03 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA05555 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 00:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02752; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacardi.vertel.com (zinfandel.vertel.com [207.238.118.22]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02724 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sierra.vertel.com ([172.16.24.36]) by bacardi.vertel.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-61713U300L300S0V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:09:19 -0800 Received: by sierra.vertel.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA24481; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:04:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:04:19 -0800 Message-Id: <200002120504.VAA24481@sierra.vertel.com> From: "Lester Ginsberg" To: mshand@cisco.com CC: Isis-wg@external.juniper.net In-reply-to: <4.2.2.20000211080404.00a88bf0@jaws.cisco.com> (message from Mike Shand on Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:14:09 +0000) Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] ISO 10589 : 1992 Edition Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net ISO standards can be purchased from your national organization - in the US that is ANSI (www.ansi.org). Both 1992 spec and the three published Technical Corrigenda should be available. Les > > Yes. RFC1142 is a copy of the DP version of 10589. For those unfamiliar > with ISO terminology (in those days), there were 3 stages; DP, DIS and IS. > DP was the first stage of submission, and numerous changes were made > between then and publication of the final standard. I wouldn't try to work > off RFC1142 (nor, as has oft been repeated, would I try to work off the so > called version 2 of 10589 which is plain WRONG). The best course is to get > hold of a copy of the original version 1 (ISO/IEC 10589:1992) AND the > various technical corrigenda. These mostly correct trivial errors, but > there are some (for example the operation of partition repair; should > anyone be foolhardy enough to implement it) which correct very serious bugs. > > I don't know what the current rules are, but as far as I am aware ISO > standards still cannot be made publicly available. > _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 14 06:05:11 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02979 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01033; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from btm4r4.alcatel.be (btm4r4.alcatel.be [195.207.101.110]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01005 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sh.bel.alcatel.be (btm04u.sh.bel.alcatel.be [138.203.194.104]) by btm4r4.alcatel.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09896 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:00:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from sh.bel.alcatel.be (btmp6y [138.203.194.110]) by sh.bel.alcatel.be (8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10436 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:53:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38A7DE96.5BAD6586@sh.bel.alcatel.be> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:53:11 +0100 From: Hans De Vleeschouwer WX29 58223 Organization: Alcatel Telecom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "isis-wg@external.juniper.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] Changing the system id while running Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, I was wondering if it is possible to change the ISIS system id while the router is up and running, or whether it is needed to first turn off the protocol. Does anybody have some expierence with this? kind regards, Hans De Vleeschouwer Alcatel Belgium _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Mon Feb 14 06:37:51 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03373 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01121; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from jaws.cisco.com (jaws.cisco.com [198.135.0.150]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01089 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mshand-8kcdt (mshand-isdn-home1.cisco.com [10.49.144.123]) by jaws.cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15199; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:32:44 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000214112717.00a73df0@jaws.cisco.com> X-Sender: mshand@jaws.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:32:52 +0000 To: Hans De Vleeschouwer WX29 58223 , "isis-wg@external.juniper.net" From: Mike Shand Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Changing the system id while running In-Reply-To: <38A7DE96.5BAD6586@sh.bel.alcatel.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net At 11:53 14/02/2000 +0100, Hans De Vleeschouwer WX29 58223 wrote: >hi, > >I was wondering if it is possible to change the ISIS system id while the >router is up and running, or whether it is needed to first turn off the >protocol. Well notionally a router with a different system ID is a different router, so it would be necessary to drop the adjacencies to the old systemID, let the old LSPs die (or purge them) and then form new adjacencies and generate new LSPs. This is equivalent to turning off the protocol. I suppose it is conceivable that one could implement something which did all this in response to changing the system ID, without requiring a separate command to turn the protocol off and back on again, but architecturally it would still be turning off and turning back on the protocol. One could envisage a router having multiple system IDs each with their own set of LSPs, but this starts to get very complicated. Can I ask why you would want to do this? >Does anybody have some expierence with this? > >kind regards, > Hans De Vleeschouwer > Alcatel Belgium > > > >_______________________________________________ >Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net >http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Wed Feb 16 17:37:57 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17279 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04230; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.cosinecom.com (proxy4.cosinecom.com [208.248.148.132]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04200 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosinecom.com by blue.cosinecom.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id OAA05779; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:32:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38AB2589.10EF84F2@cosinecom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:32:41 -0500 From: dclemmen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] Conformance testing tools? Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of any conformance testing tools or services for IS-IS implementations? _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Wed Feb 16 17:51:15 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17887 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04319; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from metconnect.ixc-comm.com (ixcfw1.ixc-comm.com [38.244.111.5]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04288 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chris.Flores@broadwing.com Received: by metconnect.ixc-comm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1ZLB99AV>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:47:05 -0600 Message-ID: <83D3AE577F81D31196B10008C7DFB0554BA7D5@metexch4.ixc-comm.com> To: dclemmen@cosinecom.com, Isis-wg@external.juniper.net Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Conformance testing tools? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:47:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net The Qosnetics QA Robot- now owned by Agilent technologies. See http://www.qosnetics.com/home.htm I have personally used this test device and would recommend taking a look at the product features. The IS-IS protocol test suite is fairly new. I hope this helps. Thanks. Chris -----Original Message----- From: dclemmen [mailto:dclemmen@cosinecom.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 4:33 PM To: Isis-wg@external.juniper.net Subject: [Isis-wg] Conformance testing tools? Does anyone know of any conformance testing tools or services for IS-IS implementations? _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Fri Feb 18 15:39:36 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA01480 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06706; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.cosinecom.com (proxy4.cosinecom.com [208.248.148.132]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06674 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosinecom.com by blue.cosinecom.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29646; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38ADACD6.321EC9CD@cosinecom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:34:30 -0500 From: dclemmen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] e-mail address for Tony Li? Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried to send e-mail to Tony Li, the author of draft-ietf-isis-hmac-00.txt at the address listed in the document. The listed address is: tli@juniper.net It bounced. Tony, are you out there? _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Fri Feb 18 16:01:20 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA01864 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06783; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver-ng.cs.umbc.edu (mailserver-ng.cs.umbc.edu [130.85.100.230]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06752 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (wrath@localhost) by mailserver-ng.cs.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09703; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:57:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Vijay Gill To: dclemmen cc: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] e-mail address for Tony Li? In-Reply-To: <38ADACD6.321EC9CD@cosinecom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, dclemmen wrote: > I tried to send e-mail to Tony Li, the author of > draft-ietf-isis-hmac-00.txt > at the address listed in the document. > The listed address is: > tli@juniper.net > It bounced. > > Tony, are you out there? > I believe the better method is to try tli@procket.com Dr. Li has moved on. /vijay _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Fri Feb 18 17:18:46 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03002 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06890; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from metconnect.ixc-comm.com (ixcfw1.ixc-comm.com [38.244.111.5]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06861 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:17:42 -0800 (PST) From: Chris.Flores@broadwing.com Received: by metconnect.ixc-comm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1ZLCAQ3Y>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:14:56 -0600 Message-ID: <83D3AE577F81D31196B10008C7DFB0554BA80F@metexch4.ixc-comm.com> To: dclemmen@cosinecom.com, isis-wg@external.juniper.net Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] e-mail address for Tony Li? Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:05:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Toni Li is not at Juniper - he has co-founded procket networks. See www.procket.net Thanks. Chris -----Original Message----- From: dclemmen [mailto:dclemmen@cosinecom.com] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 2:35 PM To: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Subject: [Isis-wg] e-mail address for Tony Li? I tried to send e-mail to Tony Li, the author of draft-ietf-isis-hmac-00.txt at the address listed in the document. The listed address is: tli@juniper.net It bounced. Tony, are you out there? _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg From isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Tue Feb 22 23:17:28 2000 Received: from external.juniper.net (spider.juniper.net [208.197.169.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02033 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from spider.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14021; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fsnt.future.futusoft.com ([203.197.140.35]) by external.juniper.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13991 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futusoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:50:25 +0530 Received: from navaneethk.future.futsoft.com ([172.16.1.28]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10174 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:32:37 +0530 Received: by navaneethk.future.futsoft.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF7DE1.F516F7E0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:40:02 -0800 Message-Id: <01BF7DE1.F516F7E0@navaneethk.future.futsoft.com> From: navaneeth K To: "'isis-wg@external.juniper.net'" Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:40:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Isis-wg] Clarification on Terminology... Sender: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net Errors-To: isis-wg-admin@external.juniper.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF IS-IS working group X-BeenThere: isis-wg@external.juniper.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all.. I need to have a clarification on the usage of SystemID, NSAP address and SNPA address and the NET ... What exactly do each of these stand for an how are they related? How are these different when in a OSI environment, IP environment and when in a Dual Environment? It would be better if we could get some examples of each type of address in each of the environments.. Thanx & Regards Navaneeth. _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list - Isis-wg@external.juniper.net http://external.juniper.net/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg