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Hi all,

After discussing candidates with Barry and Bron and I am pleased to 
announce that Jim Fenton agreed to co-chair JMAP WG. Please welcome him!

Best Regards,

Alexey


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Congrats Jim, welcome to the working group.

Cheers,

Bron.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, at 21:02, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After discussing candidates with Barry and Bron and I am pleased to 
> announce that Jim Fenton agreed to co-chair JMAP WG. Please welcome him!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Alexey
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Thanks, Bron! Looking forward to working with you on this.

-Jim

On 4/4/19 3:09 AM, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> Congrats Jim, welcome to the working group.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bron.
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, at 21:02, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After discussing candidates with Barry and Bron and I am pleased to
>> announce that Jim Fenton agreed to co-chair JMAP WG. Please welcome him!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Alexey
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Jmap mailing list
>> Jmap@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jmap
>>
>
> --
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        <div style="font-family:Arial;">After discussing candidates with
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          to co-chair JMAP WG. Please welcome him!<br>
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If the goal is to not diverge from existing formats, is it possible to clarify
the relation between object models and data formats. For example are there
really a need to define new data formats, as I assume there exists already for
the established format? Should there be clearer scoping of why one may consider
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If we're going to be talking about new transports (e.g., websockets, or the more
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The JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) WG in the Applications and Real-Time
Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The IESG has not made any
determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided
for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG
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JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap)
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Current status: Active WG

Chairs:
  Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
  Jim Fenton <fenton@bluepopcorn.net>

Assigned Area Director:
  Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>

Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
  Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
  Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>
  Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>

Mailing list:
  Address: jmap@ietf.org
  To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jmap
  Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=jmap

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/jmap/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jmap/

The JMAP protocol defined in draft-ietf-jmap-core is designed to be
extensible to multiple datatypes which are useful for personal
information management related to email stores.

Now that draft-ietf-jmap-mail is completed, the working group will
produce specifications for related data types, begining with calendars.

The calendar work will be based on draft-ietf-calext-jscalandar as the
data format.  This working group will consult with the CALEXT working
group to ensure that calendar access via JMAP remains compatible with
existing calendar standards.

Extensions to the existing core and mail JMAP specifications are also
within scope for this working group, for example any additional parts
of SIEVE, IMAP, SMTP submission, as well as transport of JMAP over
different protocols than HTTPS.

Work on JMAP extensions will be bound by the following constraints:

1) The work of this group is limited to developing protocols for a
   client synchronising data with a server. Any server-to-server issues
   are out of scope for this working group.

2) Object models will use existing IETF work where possible.

3) JMAP Extensions will be built following the core principles:

  3.1) The server will not be required to perform work not explicitly
       requested by the client, and the default should always be the
       mode which requires the least server work.

  3.2) The client can discover limits enforced by the server on
       resources or request complexity.

  3.3) Where side effects generated by the server are optional, the
       protocol will default to no side effects, and the client must
       explicitly request that those side effects happen (for example:
       sending a calendar invitation or reply when updating an event)

The working group will deliver documents for the following:

 - JMAP access to calendars using the JSCalendar format

 - accessing JMAP over Websockets

 - handling of S/MIME email messages (e.g. signature verification) over JMAP

 - Message Disposition Notifications (RFC 8098) via JMAP

 - other extensions which the working group considers related to email
   and compatible with the constraints listed above

Milestones:

  Done     - Update charter to reflect current and planned work

  Apr 2019 - Adopt a document for calendar access via JMAP

  Apr 2019 - Adopt a document for S/MIME interaction via JMAP

  Sep 2019 - Submit JMAP over websockets document to the IESG

  Sep 2019 - Submit Message Disposition Notification document to the IESG

  Dec 2019 - Submit document with guidance for implementation of IMAP servers
  and proxies (Informational)



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Hi All,

The JMAP working group at IETF is looking for a co-author to work on a JMAP spec for calendar access. This can be anybody with some calendar experience who's willing to help!

An initial draft is here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jenkins-jmapcalendars/

There is still considerable work to do, particularly around how scheduling will interact, and whether events can be present in multiple calendars simultaneously in the same way that Email objects can be in multiple Mailboxes over in jmap-mail.

Obviously we'd love to have somebody from outside FastMail who brings different background and experience to help with the document! Neil is happy to stay on as a co-editor as well.

Cheers,

Bron.

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Thanks Neil. There have been no objections, and Mike Douglass has volunteered to co-edit. If you could please upload a new draft-ietf-jmap-calendars-00 with him listed as a co-author I will adopt it formally.

Cheers,

Bron.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, at 02:45, Neil Jenkins wrote:
> I have posted an IETF-format draft of the initial spec: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jenkins-jmapcalendars-01.
> 
> Work still required includes:
>  * Deciding if the client should be able to ask the server to expand recurrences (probably yes), and what this looks like.
>  * Defining scheduling (when to send iMIP messages) in more detail, and probably making this an explicit API method rather than implicit reaction to event changes.
>  * Deciding whether to allow events to exist in multiple calendars at the same time (like labels vs folders in mail).
>  * Moving calendar permissions into a `myRights` property to match JMAP Mail.
> Neil.
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will adopt it formally.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br><=
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5, Neil Jenkins wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"qt"><div=
>I have posted an IETF-format draft of the initial spec:&nbsp;<a href=3D=
"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jenkins-jmapcalendars-01">https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jenkins-jmapcalendars-01</a>.<br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Work still required includes:<br></div><ul><li>Deciding if the=
 client should be able to ask the server to expand recurrences (probably=
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o send iMIP messages) in more detail, and probably making this an explic=
it API method rather than implicit reaction to event changes.<br></li><l=
i>Deciding whether to allow events to exist in multiple calendars at the=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the JSON Mail Access Protocol WG of the IETF.

        Title           : JMAP for Calendars
        Authors         : Neil Jenkins
                          Michael Douglass
	Filename        : draft-ietf-jmap-calendars-00.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2019-04-29

Abstract:
   This document specifies a data model for synchronising calendar data
   with a server using JMAP.


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Having some milestones and roadmap would be a plus.


