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I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and over seas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. 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To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 4 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. In addition you will be provided with information on Internet Marketing Clubs such as INTERNET MARKETING RESOURCES (IMR): This Is one the premiere Internet marketing clubs on the INTERNET. This club provides a forum where internet marketers from all over the world can exchange ideas and secrets on Internet Marketing. In addition, this club specializes in providing free internet marketing tools and services for the Do-Yourself-Internet-Marketer. They will provide you with free bulk e-mail software and up to 1,000,000 fresh e-mail addresses each week. This club will provide you with hundreds of free resources, which include: How to obtain free web sites, how to obtain top rankings in search engines for your web-site, how to send bulk e-mail into AOL and Compuserve, how to market your products on newsgroups, free classified ads, electronic malls, bulletin boards, banner ads and much more. There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level-your 10 members with $5 .........$50 2nd level-10 mems from those 10 ($5 x 100).......$500 3rd level-10 mems from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 4th level-10 mems from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) $50,000 THIS TOTALS ---------------------------$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. 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Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the folllowing facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $20 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ....11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. 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From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 4 16:27:17 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA15224 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18311; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA17991; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EA4FE3.9424C0B0@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:26:11 -0700 From: olga@netscape.com (Olga Natkovich) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-ldup@imc.org CC: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: LCUP mailing list References: <199803152129.NAA22145@mail.proper.com> <350D56AF.C7E3414E@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fP1_lB.A.1YE.g_k64"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As promised at LDUP IETF meeting last week, I am resending the address of lcup mailing list: ietf-lcup@netscape.com. To subscribe, send a message with the subject subscribe to ietf-lcup-request@netscape.com. Olga From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 4 19:11:18 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA20238 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16071; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA27885; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:57:50 -0600 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: Subject: Root DSE and subschema queries/compares Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"LQMaIB.A.ZzG.8Nn64"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id TAA20238 People would like to perform compare operations on attributes of the root DSE and/or subschema subentry, but I don't see any obvious provisions for doing this. In order to read the root DSE and subschema subentry, you must specify a particular filter: "(objectclass=*)" for root DSE and "(objectclass=subschema)" for the subschema subentry. I can't find anything that talks about whether the compare operation is allowed (this should also be mentioned in the subentry draft). If it were allowable to perform a compare operation on these entries, the requirement above would be met. Alternately, we could allow the search filter to contain more information such as: "&(objectclass=*)(supportedControl=1.2.3.4)" on a root DSE query would only return the root DSE if it had 1.2.3.4 in the supportedControl attribute. Same notion for schema entries. Any feelings on how to do this? Jim From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 4 21:32:40 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21304 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03086; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA00431; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EA9762.CB4ACD2F@software.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:31:14 -0700 From: sanjay jain Organization: Software.Com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Sermersheim CC: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Root DSE and subschema queries/compares References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lUQ3rC.A.aG.1dp64"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Sermersheim wrote: > People would like to perform compare operations on attributes of the root DSE and/or subschema subentry, but I don't see any obvious provisions for doing this. > > In order to read the root DSE and subschema subentry, you must specify a particular filter: "(objectclass=*)" for root DSE and "(objectclass=subschema)" for the subschema subentry. I can't find anything that talks about whether the compare operation is allowed (this should also be mentioned in the subentry draft). > > If it were allowable to perform a compare operation on these entries, the requirement above would be met. Alternately, we could allow the search filter to contain more information such as: "&(objectclass=*)(supportedControl=1.2.3.4)" on a root DSE query would only return the root DSE if it had 1.2.3.4 in the supportedControl attribute. Same notion for schema entries. > > Any feelings on how to do this? why do you think that compare operation is *not* allowed on DSE root and subschema entries ? sanjay > > > Jim From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 5 10:38:18 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10842 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18981; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id HAA27923; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Anoop_Tripathi@3com.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: 3COM To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Message-ID: <882568B8.00501904.00@hqoutbound.ops.3com.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:37 -0500 Subject: LDAP over UDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ktKyQB.A.izG.J9064"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Hi, I saw the charter for the working group mention a LDAP over UDP. But I could not find any drafts/RFC on it. Could someone point me to one. Thanks, Anoop Tripathi 3COM From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 5 10:51:28 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10972 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10922; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id HAA02547; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: surfthenet@whoever.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004051450.HAA21072@xwing.netscape.com> To: @netscape.com Subject: AllAdvantage pays you to surf the Net - check it out! 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1618, From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 5 11:10:36 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11340 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23186; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA07592; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000405080919.00926bf0@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:09:19 -0700 To: sanjay jain , Jim Sermersheim From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: Re: Root DSE and subschema queries/compares Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com In-Reply-To: <38EA9762.CB4ACD2F@software.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"c1n6Z.A.U2B.oc164"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 06:31 PM 4/4/2000 -0700, sanjay jain wrote: > > >Jim Sermersheim wrote: > [snip] >> Any feelings on how to do this? > >why do you think that compare operation is *not* >allowed on DSE root and subschema entries ? > Can't you just do a compare against the object that is the root you are looking for, annd supply (supportedControl=1.2.3.4) as your comparison? Why wouldn't that work? ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 5 14:25:45 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14281 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09226; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA29616; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: surfthenet@whoever.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004051824.LAA10407@ywing.netscape.com> To: @netscape.com Subject: AllAdvantage pays you to surf the Net - check it out! Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wFb0K.A.MNH.jT464"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MT Symbol;

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Some act in accordance with various LDAP specifications which are counter to X.500(1993), some act in accordance with other revisions of X.500, some use LDAP to access non-X.500 directories, etc. I would like to change the above requirement (before LDAPv3 is progressed to draft standard) to: An LDAP server SHOULD act in accordance with the X.500(1993) [or later revisions] series of ITU recommendations unless such specifications are conflict with LDAP specifications. An LDAP server MAY provide access to non-X.500 directories as long as operations behave as defined by this document. Besides allowing the LDAP community to "revise and extend" the information model, this allows LDAP to be used to access directories which do not act in accordance with the X.500 series of ITU recommendations. It may also be useful to define a Root DSE attribute type which describes the directory model in use. Ie: "X.500(1993)" or "X.500(2020)" or "LDAP(v3)" or "X-other". Kurt From list@netscape.com Mon Apr 10 19:24:25 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06604 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29840; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA12320; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Lloyd, Alan" To: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" , ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: RE: MUST X.500 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:25:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"IXWLzB.A.OAD.eJm84"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Hello all .. Re this change. Does this mean that when a client application accessing a directory via LDAP now needs to know what type of directory it is - How many types of LDAP servers are there going to be in the world ? Why have "a common access protocol" when the client application and the servers they connect to - for a directory service, are different... Does this mean we have lots of code in the client apps to detect what features are in the servers, and lots of code in the servers to emulate services for all types of clients - and the protocol is still lightweight ? Just me and my "logic" :-) I dont mind extensions and variances - but what is the end game here - Is it standard X.500 distributed directory service that scales and is consistent to many LDAP/DAP type applications - AS WELL AS lots of incompatable unscaleable, non distributed LDAP servers with odd mechanisms that dont work on distributed directories - for small scale odd ball applications and lots of incompatible clients - And the market and business organisations of the world working for the next ten years to achieve compatible products? The words below require some changes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt D. Zeilenga > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:51 AM > To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > Subject: MUST X.500 > > RFC 2251 contains the requirement: > An LDAP server MUST act in accordance with the > X.500(1993) series of ITU recommendations when providing the service. > > This statement imples that LDAP servers must act in accordance > with X.500(1993). However, it is clear that most servers do not > act in accordance with X.500(1993). Some act in accordance with > various LDAP specifications which are counter to X.500(1993), > some act in accordance with other revisions of X.500, some use > LDAP to access non-X.500 directories, etc. > > I would like to change the above requirement (before LDAPv3 > is progressed to draft standard) to: > An LDAP server SHOULD act in accordance with the X.500(1993) > [or later revisions] series of ITU recommendations unless > such specifications are conflict with LDAP specifications. > An LDAP server MAY provide access to non-X.500 directories > as long as operations behave as defined by this document. [Lloyd, Alan] " An LDAP server may not perform all the functions of an X.500 distributed directory - and may provide other features, mechanisms or services as defined in other LDAP specifications, Such features, mechanisms, services may cause compatibility issues with directory client and server products from different vendors". > Besides allowing the LDAP community to "revise and extend" the > information model, [Lloyd, Alan] X.500 - and an industry strength version of its implementation (with LDAP access) does have an extensible "information model".. The correct term that LDAP standards should be using is - extensions to LDAP server functionality and LDAP server information management mechnisms. > this allows LDAP to be used to access > directories which do not act in accordance with the X.500 > series of ITU recommendations. > > It may also be useful to define a Root DSE attribute type which > describes the directory model in use. Ie: "X.500(1993)" > or "X.500(2020)" or "LDAP(v3)" or "X-other". [Lloyd, Alan] Although this is easy to implement - what would client apps do as the result of reading this attribute..The reason for a "standard "lightweight" access protocol" is to remove the issue of clients being complex and service knowledge based - and having to understand all the server variances.. Before we standardise mechanisms that indicates extensibility - and incompatibility (which are very easy to define) - can someone give any concrete examples of the requirements and what the outcomes are - in terms of end user benefits and directory "service" functionality. I just hate to see a simple access protocol literally bogged down with twice the size in specifications for all its variances and how one deals with the variances.. Sorry - just more of my strange logic ! regards alan > Kurt From list@netscape.com Mon Apr 10 21:12:22 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08035 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10972; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA22843; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: paf@nix.swip.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:07:40 +0930 To: Mark Wahl From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-ldapext-sorting Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, Ned Freed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"wt-G1C.A.nkF.wun84"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Can the wg please comment on the two comments below to me and Ned personally please? If I can get some feedback no later than Thursday the 13th, it would be appreciated and IESG can make a descision the following Thursday. Regards, Patrik (sorry for the delay, but at least we ADs are at this draft now in our internal queue) At 08.13 -0500 2000-01-25, Courtney, Scott D wrote: >I have one comment, and please pardon this nitpicky point. > >In Section 6, "Security Considerations," the following phrase appears: > >"Implementors and administrators should be aware that allowing sorting >of results could enable the retrieval of a large number of records from >a given directory service, irregardless of administrative limits set on >the maximum number of records to return." > >Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe "irregardless" is a word. I >know >it's a small matter, but we might as well correct it while we have the >chance. >I suggest using the word "regardless" to avoid this double negative >non-word. > >Scott At 11.17 -0500 2000-01-25, John_Payne@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote: >Shouldn't the return error be 'inappropriateMatching' in the case where the >matching rule is inappropriate for the attribute type? Seems to me that the >'unwilling to perform' is becoming overloaded to the point where the user will >find it very difficult to properly identify the problem. 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From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 12 02:00:29 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06860 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 02:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02246; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA01055; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000411225913.00a43740@infidel.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@infidel.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:59:13 -0700 To: "Lloyd, Alan" From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: RE: MUST X.500 Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WusqCB.A.NQ.2CB94"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com It's my view that the MUST should be SHOULD per RFC 2119 guidelines. That is, LDAPv3 is an application protocol of requests and responses. Interoperability imperatives, as referred to in RFC 2119, I believe should be at the level of protocol peers. Protocol peers can (and do) interoperate if they understand each other PDUs. The fact that a given request may induce different reply from implementation to implementation is not indicative of inoperability, but a indication that servers are free to respond with any valid protocol construct. Though I agree that a general purpose browser should be able to browse a distributed directory. I do not concur that we'll ever reach the point where all sophisticated applications can operate on any compliant implementation. Though one could attempt to tighten the specification, each tightening of the specification reduces its flexibility. I firmly believe that the success of LDAP will depend greatly on it's ability to be flexible and that, in spaces require interoperability at higher levels, can be handled by standard track elective features designed to handle the specific requirements of that space. I should also note that the MUST X.500(93) statement is quite problematic for other reasons. the MUST X.500 specify states 93 documents. the MUST X.500 does not specify which of the ITU recommendations must be implemented. One must assume the complete series (including elective recommendations) must be implemented. the MUST X.500 overrules any other SHOULD or MAY in the document (or related documents) which is counter to X.500. Encoding of directory information in LDAP makes it actually quite difficult, maybe impossible, to truely act in accordance to X.500(93) recommendations. [Case in point: LDAP representation of DNs] additional comments inline... At 09:25 AM 4/11/00 +1000, Lloyd, Alan wrote: > > >Hello all .. > >Re this change. >Does this mean that when a client application accessing a directory via LDAP >now needs to know what type of directory it is - How many types of LDAP >servers are there going to be in the world ? many types of LDAP clients and servers... but only one protocol. Just like we have today. >Why have "a common access protocol" when the client application and the >servers they connect to - for a directory service, are different... Reuse. Just like we have today. >Does this mean we have lots of code in the client apps to detect what >features are in the servers, and lots of code in the servers to emulate >services for all types of clients Yes, they need to detect the features they need. Just like we have today. >and the protocol is still lightweight ? Yes. Just like we have today. >I dont mind extensions and variances - but what is the end game here - Is it >standard X.500 distributed directory service that scales and is consistent >to many LDAP/DAP type applications But here lies part of the problem. If X.500 were truely a MUST, then LDAP would just be a DAP replacement. However, LDAP goes beyond replacing DAP but infact attempts to replace the X.500 information model with it's own. Many LDAPext'ers say LDAP is an access protocol to X.500 directories and then, pretty much in the same breath, say LDAP can selective replace portions of the X.500 directory model. >- AS WELL AS lots of incompatable >unscaleable, non distributed LDAP servers with odd mechanisms that dont >work on distributed directories - for small scale odd ball applications and >lots of incompatible clients - And the market and business organisations of >the world working for the next ten years to achieve compatible products? You've just described the Internet... funny thing is, it, for better or worse, does works. It's amazing how so-called "better" approaches have failed. History has shown that flexible protocols survive where rigid protocols fail... and that implementations of flexible protocol specfications converge on true interoperabiliity just as fast (if not faster) than those of more rigid protocols specfications. >The words below require some changes. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt D. Zeilenga >> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:51 AM >> To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >> Subject: MUST X.500 >> >> RFC 2251 contains the requirement: >> An LDAP server MUST act in accordance with the >> X.500(1993) series of ITU recommendations when providing the service. >> >> This statement imples that LDAP servers must act in accordance >> with X.500(1993). However, it is clear that most servers do not >> act in accordance with X.500(1993). Some act in accordance with >> various LDAP specifications which are counter to X.500(1993), >> some act in accordance with other revisions of X.500, some use >> LDAP to access non-X.500 directories, etc. >> >> I would like to change the above requirement (before LDAPv3 >> is progressed to draft standard) to: >> An LDAP server SHOULD act in accordance with the X.500(1993) >> [or later revisions] series of ITU recommendations unless >> such specifications are conflict with LDAP specifications. >> An LDAP server MAY provide access to non-X.500 directories >> as long as operations behave as defined by this document. > [Lloyd, Alan] > " An LDAP server may not perform all the functions of an X.500 >distributed directory - and may provide other features, mechanisms or >services as defined in other LDAP specifications, Such features, mechanisms, >services may cause compatibility issues with directory client and server >products from different vendors". Your addition could be taken that X.500 is somehow going to solve the compatibility issues. It won't. There are enough other SHOULDs and MAYs which make this addition more appropriate (IMO): "Different implementations of LDAP MAY behave differently." >> Besides allowing the LDAP community to "revise and extend" the >> information model, > [Lloyd, Alan] X.500 - and an industry strength version of its >implementation (with LDAP access) does have an extensible "information >model".. I agree that X.500 has an extensible "information model". I was referring to LDAPext's continuing efforts to supplant X.500 with their own Information model [ala LDAPsubentry, ala LDAP ACM, referrals, ala ...], which IMO is disallowed by the MUST X.500. I prefer to allow LDAP to support "pure" X.500 implementations, this LDAP directory model (which is like X.500, but not X.500), as well as other information models. > The correct term that LDAP standards should be using is - extensions >to LDAP server functionality and LDAP server information management >mechnisms. >> this allows LDAP to be used to access >> directories which do not act in accordance with the X.500 >> series of ITU recommendations. >> >> It may also be useful to define a Root DSE attribute type which >> describes the directory model in use. Ie: "X.500(1993)" >> or "X.500(2020)" or "LDAP(v3)" or "X-other". > [Lloyd, Alan] Although this is easy to implement - what would >client apps do as the result of reading this attribute..The reason for a >"standard "lightweight" access protocol" is to remove the issue of clients >being complex and service knowledge based - and having to understand all >the server variances.. I believe lightweight still applies to protocol, but not necessarily to applications classes. However, I see no reason to burden all implementations of LDAP to ease the burden for subsets of application classes. In particular, management applications need to know much more about the server than a general browswer. A general browser should be easy to implement and require little feature discovery and no apiori knowledge of the service it's browsing. However, a management client will likely need a wealth of feature discover and some (if not a lot) of apiori knowledge of the service its managing. I don't believe using MUSTs will solve the management client interoperability problem.... vendors will always have different (so they can market their wares) and these differences will require that some clients use feature discover or have apiori knowledge of the differences. Attempts to solve this problem, don't. But they do reduce the flexibility of the protocol. > Before we standardise mechanisms that indicates extensibility >- and incompatibility (which are very easy to define) >- can someone give any >concrete examples of the requirements and what the outcomes are - in terms >of end user benefits and directory "service" functionality. The current state of LDAP is my example. It's the flexibility of flexibility of LDAPv2 and lazy implementations which enabled LDAP to grow to what it is. Should we have disallowed U-Mich from implementing slapd, a very non-X.500 solution? Should we disallow most major LDAP vendors from continuing to provide their unique (and often very un-X.500) solutions? Should we continue to define LDAP specifications which remove the complexity of X.500 (ie: are not X.500)? Should we not continue to allow LDAP to support other X.500 varients (87,97)? MUST X.500 has largely been ignored, and IMO, rightly so. > I just hate to see a simple access protocol literally bogged down >with twice the size in specifications for all its variances and how one >deals with the variances.. This seems like an argument for discontinuing LDAPext efforts that supplant X.500 with an LDAP model. 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Zeilenga" , "Lloyd, Alan" Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: RE: MUST X.500 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:59:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"p3f7EC.A.-QH.gKH94"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Comments in line. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt D. Zeilenga > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 3:59 PM > To: Lloyd, Alan > Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > Subject: RE: MUST X.500 > > It's my view that the MUST should be SHOULD per RFC 2119 > guidelines. That is, LDAPv3 is an application protocol > of requests and responses. Interoperability imperatives, > as referred to in RFC 2119, I believe should be at the level > of protocol peers. Protocol peers can (and do) interoperate > if they understand each other PDUs. The fact that a given > request may induce different reply from implementation to > implementation is not indicative of inoperability, but a > indication that servers are free to respond with any valid > protocol construct. > > Though I agree that a general purpose browser should be > able to browse a distributed directory. I do not concur > that we'll ever reach the point where all sophisticated > applications can operate on any compliant implementation. > Though one could attempt to tighten the specification, each > tightening of the specification reduces its flexibility. > > I firmly believe that the success of LDAP will depend > greatly on it's ability to be flexible and that, in > spaces require interoperability at higher levels, can > be handled by standard track elective features designed > to handle the specific requirements of that space. [Lloyd, Alan] However, and as said in the past!! when you design a system - you add system features - But when you design a protocol - all you can add is protocol mechanisms - that in most cases with LDAP drafts - only work with a single (unscaleable) single server - but not with a distributed system - simply because one cannot verify an access protocol feature to scale when there is no reference system to place it on. [Lloyd, Alan] > I should also note that the MUST X.500(93) statement is quite > problematic for other reasons. > the MUST X.500 specify states 93 documents. [Lloyd, Alan] This can > be updated. > > the MUST X.500 does not specify which of the > ITU recommendations must be implemented. One must > assume the complete series (including elective > recommendations) must be implemented. [Lloyd, Alan] This can be improved. > the MUST X.500 overrules any other SHOULD or MAY in > the document (or related documents) which is counter > to X.500. [Lloyd, Alan] Well its back to what are we are standardising and building issue - a single server with an access protocol that has compatability problems and inconsistent security models - or a distributed directory SERVICE. > Encoding of directory information in LDAP makes > it actually quite difficult, maybe impossible, to > truely act in accordance to X.500(93) recommendations. > [Case in point: LDAP representation of DNs] [Lloyd, Alan] Have you tried certificate and CRL component , etc matching rules yet in LDAP ? What will you do with this - upgrade LDAP to DAP? > additional comments inline... > > At 09:25 AM 4/11/00 +1000, Lloyd, Alan wrote: > > > > > >Hello all .. > > > >Re this change. > >Does this mean that when a client application accessing a directory via > LDAP > >now needs to know what type of directory it is - How many types of LDAP > >servers are there going to be in the world ? > > many types of LDAP clients and servers... but only one protocol. > Just like we have today. [Lloyd, Alan] Set reality Mode: > Absolutely not - ever tried to get compatibility with LDAP across a few famous vendors... > > >Why have "a common access protocol" when the client application and the > >servers they connect to - for a directory service, are different... > > Reuse. > Just like we have today. [Lloyd, Alan] See above... > >Does this mean we have lots of code in the client apps to detect what > >features are in the servers, and lots of code in the servers to emulate > >services for all types of clients > > Yes, they need to detect the features they need. > Just like we have today. [Lloyd, Alan] I see we are standardising on the way we detect features - which are variations of the standard.. EG. ever tried to implement Persistent Search across a 1000 DSAs with 100 million entries with 40 million users putting on persistent search on all objects on every other operation - for hours on end.. with replicated and distributed servers- DSAs - see the same protocol !!! but the feature can be implemented on a small scale server with a few users - but on a real global directory service - it becomes unworkable - now what was it us said about this common "protocol".. > >and the protocol is still lightweight ? > > Yes. > Just like we have today. [Lloyd, Alan] I wont go into that - been there done that - and see above - lightweight things .. that have restrictions (see above) - have to evolve to cater for the features applied in other protocols that the light ones are based on and are of the same size and performance - dont they? :-) > > >I dont mind extensions and variances - but what is the end game here - Is > it > >standard X.500 distributed directory service that scales and is > consistent > >to many LDAP/DAP type applications > > But here lies part of the problem. If X.500 were truely a MUST, > then LDAP would just be a DAP replacement. However, LDAP goes > beyond replacing DAP but infact attempts to replace the X.500 > information model with it's own. [Lloyd, Alan] well until LDAP designs a distributed directory system with distributed trust, access control, PKI and an interserver trust model using distributed mutual authentication - then LDAP (access protocol) will still be an access protocol to most of the directory experts on this planet ---- see all the books on LDAP . Is this LDAP development also going to replace the X.500 name based object oriented model and its X.509 authentication regimes as well ??? I wonder what with.. a no name - non certificate, non object info things? > Many LDAPext'ers say LDAP is an access protocol to X.500 directories > and then, pretty much in the same breath, say LDAP can selective > replace portions of the X.500 directory model. [Lloyd, Alan] Would you like to list these ... What of the X.500 Object Oriented - Named Based information model does LDAP "replace" --- or does LDAP do some of the management of that information model differently with simpler mechanisms because LDAP aims its management mechanisms for simpler non distributed servers...? Please note the difference between an OO information model that LDAP "accesses" and the management and security and scaleability of it..And the mechanisms in the serv ers to deal with the difference. > >- AS WELL AS lots of incompatable > >unscaleable, non distributed LDAP servers with odd mechanisms that dont > >work on distributed directories - for small scale odd ball applications > and > >lots of incompatible clients - And the market and business organisations > of > >the world working for the next ten years to achieve compatible products? > > You've just described the Internet... funny thing is, it, > for better or worse, does works. It's amazing how so-called > "better" approaches have failed. History has shown that > flexible protocols survive where rigid protocols fail... > and that implementations of flexible protocol specfications > converge on true interoperabiliity just as fast (if not > faster) than those of more rigid protocols specfications. [Lloyd, Alan] I think you might find that the Internet product suppliers are making sure their products are quite compatable with those of major vendors and the interfaces are solidifying by the day... > >The words below require some changes. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kurt D. Zeilenga > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:51 AM > >> To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > >> Subject: MUST X.500 > >> > >> RFC 2251 contains the requirement: > >> An LDAP server MUST act in accordance with the > >> X.500(1993) series of ITU recommendations when providing the > service. > >> > >> This statement imples that LDAP servers must act in accordance > >> with X.500(1993). However, it is clear that most servers do not > >> act in accordance with X.500(1993). Some act in accordance with > >> various LDAP specifications which are counter to X.500(1993), > >> some act in accordance with other revisions of X.500, some use > >> LDAP to access non-X.500 directories, etc. > >> > >> I would like to change the above requirement (before LDAPv3 > >> is progressed to draft standard) to: > >> An LDAP server SHOULD act in accordance with the X.500(1993) > >> [or later revisions] series of ITU recommendations unless > >> such specifications are conflict with LDAP specifications. > >> An LDAP server MAY provide access to non-X.500 directories > >> as long as operations behave as defined by this document. > > [Lloyd, Alan] > > " An LDAP server may not perform all the functions of an X.500 > >distributed directory - and may provide other features, mechanisms or > >services as defined in other LDAP specifications, Such features, > mechanisms, > >services may cause compatibility issues with directory client and server > >products from different vendors". > > Your addition could be taken that X.500 is somehow going to solve the > compatibility issues. It won't. There are enough other SHOULDs > and MAYs which make this addition more appropriate (IMO): > "Different implementations of LDAP MAY behave differently." > > >> Besides allowing the LDAP community to "revise and extend" the > >> information model, > > [Lloyd, Alan] X.500 - and an industry strength version of its > >implementation (with LDAP access) does have an extensible "information > >model".. > > I agree that X.500 has an extensible "information model". > I was referring to LDAPext's continuing efforts to supplant > X.500 with their own Information model [ala LDAPsubentry, > ala LDAP ACM, referrals, ala ...], which IMO is disallowed > by the MUST X.500. > > I prefer to allow LDAP to support "pure" X.500 implementations, > this LDAP directory model (which is like X.500, but not X.500), > as well as other information models. > > > The correct term that LDAP standards should be using is - extensions > >to LDAP server functionality and LDAP server information management > >mechnisms. > >> this allows LDAP to be used to access > >> directories which do not act in accordance with the X.500 > >> series of ITU recommendations. > >> > >> It may also be useful to define a Root DSE attribute type which > >> describes the directory model in use. Ie: "X.500(1993)" > >> or "X.500(2020)" or "LDAP(v3)" or "X-other". > > [Lloyd, Alan] Although this is easy to implement - what would > >client apps do as the result of reading this attribute..The reason for a > >"standard "lightweight" access protocol" is to remove the issue of > clients > >being complex and service knowledge based - and having to understand all > >the server variances.. > > I believe lightweight still applies to protocol, but not necessarily > to applications classes. However, I see no reason to burden all > implementations of LDAP to ease the burden for subsets of application > classes. In particular, management applications need to know much > more about the server than a general browswer. A general browser > should be easy to implement and require little feature discovery > and no apiori knowledge of the service it's browsing. However, > a management client will likely need a wealth of feature discover > and some (if not a lot) of apiori knowledge of the service its > managing. > > I don't believe using MUSTs will solve the management client > interoperability problem.... vendors will always have > different (so they can market their wares) and these differences > will require that some clients use feature discover or have > apiori knowledge of the differences. > > Attempts to solve this problem, don't. But they do reduce the > flexibility of the protocol. > > > Before we standardise mechanisms that indicates extensibility > >- and incompatibility (which are very easy to define) > >- can someone give any > >concrete examples of the requirements and what the outcomes are - in > terms > >of end user benefits and directory "service" functionality. > > The current state of LDAP is my example. It's the flexibility of > flexibility of LDAPv2 and lazy implementations which enabled > LDAP to grow to what it is. Should we have disallowed U-Mich > from implementing slapd, a very non-X.500 solution? Should we > disallow most major LDAP vendors from continuing to provide > their unique (and often very un-X.500) solutions? Should we > continue to define LDAP specifications which remove the complexity > of X.500 (ie: are not X.500)? Should we not continue to allow > LDAP to support other X.500 varients (87,97)? > > MUST X.500 has largely been ignored, and IMO, rightly so. [Lloyd, Alan] I think this because the LDAP hype has downgraded the importance of protected distributed object services [Lloyd, Alan] to that of directories are all about client - server "protocols" > I just hate to see a simple access protocol literally bogged down > >with twice the size in specifications for all its variances and how one > >deals with the variances.. > > This seems like an argument for discontinuing LDAPext efforts > that supplant X.500 with an LDAP model. [Lloyd, Alan] Lets get back to the basics of what a directory SERVICE is.. Fundamentally its a set of standard and extensible NAMED objects - object classes and attributes that have standard identifiers --- X.500 provides this BASELINE. Q - does LDAP want to change this !!!! To access, distribute and replicate these objects - one needs OO based operations that deal with these services.. DAP/LDAP do the smae things on these objects - from an application service perspective.. DSP deal with distribution - All to hard for the LDAP work DISP deals with replication - and LDUP? re invented this. Howver what the benefit in the service.. ? [Lloyd, Alan] In addition a directory is protected by access controls which is applied via user authentication techniques - such as name password or certificates, etc In a non distributed case - these are simple mechanims and models, in distributed X.500 these are more sophisticated becuase we are dealing with distributed trust - some thing that LDAP hasnt addressed in the last 5 years. In addition a directory is managed with schema, naming and knowledge mechanims/rules- In a non distributed case - these are simple mechanims and models, in distributed X.500 these are more sophisticated becuase we are dealing with distributed management and system consistency- some thing that LDAP hasnt addressed in the last 5 years. I think there is a major market for distributed directory services that deal with mutual trust, common distributed management, etc, etyc for obvious reasons I dont think there is much use for lots of little LDAP servers with mechanims that cause compatability issues a just dont scale - simply because all one is building with LDAP servers is an OO database - but with LDAP accessed X.500 we are building distributed directory services.. By all means make the changes - To me it comes back to utility a company wants from a directory SERVICE - to deal with its EC business.. Why do people want a carrier grade distributed directory service that can hold 1-500 millions entries - its becuase they want 500m customers and to authenticate these distributed customers in the contexts they work in... regards alan From list@netscape.com Thu Apr 13 16:19:58 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA13122 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22320; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA17787; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:16:39 -0600 From: "Ed Reed" To: , , , , Cc: , , Subject: All call - ISO/IEC 11578:1996 - Remote Procedure Calls Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"oBR8bB.A.pVE.Eui94"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id QAA13122 Anyone out there have access to a copy of this ISO document? Could you contact me if you do - so we can verify the document is the correct normative reference for the UUID we need for LDUP? Thanks, Ed ================= Ed Reed Reed-Matthews, Inc. +1 801 796 7065 http://www.OnCallDBA.COM >>> Patrik Fältström 04/13/00 07:22AM >>> At 11:32 AM +0200 4/13/00, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >can anyone help him - library? existing copy? >I'm not willing to have normative references to the Open Group quite yet... I have no idea. 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Access Control Model Updates - IP address type format (ala iPlanet) implementation: MUST, SHOULD, or MAY (need consensus) - KerberosID format: look at generalization aligned with authmeth formats - Add matching rule (open discussion) - State that attribute descriptions (cn;lang-US is allowed); Inheritance/subtyping (open discussion) - Should user need both 'add'(object) and 'write' (attributes) to add a DN/objects and its attributes? (need consensus) - Do not currently have a way of allowing someone to access something they know exists and not have access to something they don't know exists (open discussion) Kurt noted that this was not solving the Server-Server problem. The main discussion was on the combination of models: is this a subset for all vendor's acls to be extensions, is this in force at the same time on the same entries as another acl model, or would the deployer map out a portion of the DIT to be governed only by this access control model, while others are governed? The implementors will be discussing this question among others of the interaction between vendor and standard access control frameworks, with the goal to assist Ellen in suggesting any changes needed to improve this draft before the next meeting. 4. C API The editor of the C API draft, Mark Smith, was not present. Kurt Zeilenga described the current state of discussion he was having with Mr. Smith as being closer to resolution than before. 5. CLDAP Roland to develop and publish a specification soon after the meeting. 6. Subentries Ed Reed is writing a draft of subentries for the LDUP WG. Discussion topics included: - is cn a must or may? If may, is this class combined with other aux classes to provide the naming attribute? - is the class structural or auxiliary? should other classes inherit from it for specific kinds of subentries or simply be auxiliaries? - how does this impact RFC 2251/2252's description of the subschema? Stephen Legg to provide comments to Ed Reed on how this can interact with X.500 servers. Ed Reed will be revising his draft; and the goal is to have a combined Last Call between the LDAPEXT and LDUP working groups. 7. LCUP The LCUP draft by Olga Natkovich attempts to unify the goal of the persistent search, triggered search and dirsync drafts. It allows clients to synchonize their caches with the server and can also be used by meta-directories and event triggers. It is not intended for LDAP server-server communication, which is the goal of the LDUP protocol. Unlike triggered search, it does not need the changelog, unlike dirsync it provides for notifications, and ulike persistent search it allows clients to obtain changes that were made earlier when the client was disconnected. The server does not need to store per-client state for each client that uses this feature. At the request of the chairs and ADs, this work will be moved to the LDUP working group. 8. Vendor Information Mark Meredith's vendor info draft was presented by Roger Harrison. Storing Vendor Information in the LDAP Root DSE draft-mmeredith-rootdse-vendor-info-02 Overview - Specifies 2 new attributes that MAY be included in the Root DSE. - vendorName - vendorVersion - Used to advertise vendor-specific information. - Supplement Root DSE attributes currently defined in section 3.4 of RFC 2251. Motivation - Specific implementations may have flaws such as - Functionally incomplete implementation - Bugs not found before distribution & deployment - Needed in the "real" world. - Unnecessary in an ideal world. - Application developers need this information to write interoperable apps, and they are currently forced to poke and prod. Attributes - vendorName - Contains a single string which represents the name of the LDAP server implementer. (e.g. "Novell, Inc.") - vendorVersion - Contains a single string which represents the version of the LDAP server implementation. 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Patrik Falstrom and Bob Morgan recommended MUST rather than SHOULD for interop with those servers which do not publish. Questions included: - was this to be used for feature discovery? If so, would servers be configurable to lie to clients? - how to handle multiple products from a single vendor? - how to handle patches? - If the presence of 'bugs' is dependent on configuration state, how to represent this as a version and do equality match? 9. SP-DNA Farzi Khazai introduced a 'bar bof' on Service Provider Directory-enabled Network Applications. This activity will develop information, security and application models for the directory in service provider environments. The BOF will investigate the relationship of this activity and the IETF. More information at www.sp-dna.org. 10. Password drafts by Kurt Zeilenga Kurz Zeilenga presented his two password-related drafts. The authpassword is used for hashed passwords, derived from RFC 2307. An extended operation for password modification separates storage from access. Helmut Volpers and Ed Reed questioned the need for these specifications: could not userPassword continue to be used; why should servers not simply hook into the modify operation to change passwords. 11. Password Policy LDAP Password Policy, presented by Jim Sermersheim draft-behera-ldap-password-policy-01.txt Prasanta Behera - prasanta@netscape.com Ludovic Poitou - ludovic.poitou@france.sun.com Jim Sermersheim - jimse@novell.com Problem Description - Many LDAP implementations have password policies such as: - Intruder detection - Password expiration - Password updates - Implementations differ, we need to standardize - This will increase interoperability. Types of Password Policy - Two general types of policy are described: - Password Usage (intruder detection) - Account may be locked after a number of failed bind attempts within a given timeframe. - Password Modifications (add / change) - Expirations (expirations warnings, grace binds) - Password History (restrict repeated passwords) - Minimum Age - Password Syntax and Minimum Length Password Policy Information - pwdPolicy Object Class - Holds administrative password policy information for a set of users such as: - min and max age, expiration warning policy - whether to check syntax - min length - number of passwords in history - max # of failures, whether to lock on intruder detect - whether user is allowed to modify. - if old pw is required to modify Password Policy Info (cont.) - Password Policy State information - Set of operational attributes on each entry - last changed time - account locked time - expiration warned, grace remaining - failure time - password history - password has been reset Password Policy Control - Server control sent to client - Warn of expired/expiring password - Report password-related errors - expired password - locked account - modification not allowed - bad syntax - new password has been previously used - etc. Changes since 00 version - Generalized password attribute - Not limited to userPassword - pwdPolicyInfoObject is gone - Use operational attributes instead - Initialization section is gone - Replaced with default behaviors - Combined separate controls into one Changes since 00 version (cont.) - Removed reliance on error messages - Overhauled and tightened implementation sections - General clean-up - Fixed error codes (names and values) - Removed redundant information State of draft - Draft is Proposed Standard - personal submission - This is the second version of the draft (Thanks to LDAPEXT WG for reviewing) The goal for this document is to become a Proposed Standard. 12. Result Codes LDAPv3 Result Codes: Definitions and Appropriate Use LDAPExt Working Group IETF - March 2000 Mike Just - Entrust Technologies draft-just-ldapv3-rescodes-01.txt edited by Kristianne Leclair (Entrust), Jim Sermersheim (Novell), Mark Smith (Netscape), Mike Just (Entrust) Available at IETF web site Posted to LDAPExt mailing list on Feb 25 Draft purpose - RFC 2251, X.511 incomplete, ambiguous - Gather information into a single source refine as appropriate - Intent is to aid directory developers - what error to return application developers - what errors to expect Draft contents - Glossary classification of result codes (based on X.511) definition for each result code - Operational guidance what result to return in case of error - Matrix result code/operation pairs What's next? - Post -02 after meeting Incorporates comment from the list - Last call for -02 - Ultimately incorporate into update of RFC 2251 As there is text which updates RFC 2251/X.511, draft -02 will go to last call to become a Proposed Standard RFC. 13. Schema modification Do No Harm Bob Moore LDAPEXT WG 47th IETF The Basic Idea - Allow non-editorial updates to existing definitions, without requiring new OIDs / labels, provided that the updates 'Do No Harm' to existing, deployed applications. - The gray area: which applications? All that actually exist? All conceivable ones? All reasonably competent ones? - Since reasonable people can disagree, there is value in having a standard to enumerate which types of changes 'Do No Harm'. Strictly Speaking ... - ... X.501 doesn't allow this at all: - The definition of information objects such as object classes ..., which have been registered ... are static and cannot be modified. Changes to the semantics of such information objects requires the assignment of new object identifiers [and thus of new labels as well]. 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This means that at the end of six months, you have 84 sales in your downline. Now your outflow is $75 and your inflow is $180. Better. Keeping in mind that two months is ample time to find four people to buy a subscription, let's say it again takes two months for the 64 new members to make four sales. This gives you 340 sales in your downline after eight months. At this point, you have paid $95 and received $700. Continuing on with this scenario, after two more months, those 256 make four sales, giving you 1,620 sales in your downline. Then, at the One Year mark, the new 1,024 members make four sales, for a total of 5,460 sales in your organization. You have now spent $115 and earned $10,100. Are you starting to see why it is CRUCIAL that you don't give up before you even get started??? You may start off slow, but look out! It's just beginning! So, now, with minimal effort on everyone's part, without finding even one superstar or leader among 5,460 people (which is virtually impossible), or without anyone making more than four sales in a whole year (which NEVER happens), you are earning $5,460 per month from your part-time effort. Do you make that much now from your full-time effort in your JOB? I sure didn't! But, let's see what happens just one round later. When those 4,096 new members make their first four sales, and this time let's say it takes them a whopping four months, your sales organization will be 21,844 strong! And it doesn't take a mathematician to multiply that by $1 to see what your MONTHLY income would be! So, if this is the worst case scenario, can you look down the road 12 to 16 months from now and think it might be worth it to see what you can do about getting started right now? In this opportunity, nobody stops at four because you get paid $5 for every personal sale! This QUICK CASH puts fast money in your pockets to cover optional promotion costs or pay for dinner and a movie. It's totally up to you! In order to qualify for the full $21,844 monthly check, all you need is 12 personal sales out of the 21,844 in your entire downline! With the scenario above, you'd have more than a year to do this! And, guess what, everyone else in your group is going for the same thing, which means you don't even have to rely on WORST case scenarios! Even if you just want to sit back and see what this program does for you, you won't be penalized for not referring anyone. You can still make $340 a month watching what this amazing opportunity will do for you from your upline's efforts putting people below you. THIS IS TOO EASY! Now, I don't promise you'll be rich in 90 days with this program because YOU WON'T! Take a year to plan your retirement; don't expect it to happen overnight. Set your sights on 12 months from now and don't take your eyes off that prize for one moment! I gave you the scenario above to let you know that five-figure residual incomes aren't instantaneous. Anyone who tells you they are is lying to you. But, they ARE possible and they are EASY when you've got the right combination. And now you do!! I look forward to working with you! Warmest Regards, Dennis Gibbons ======================================= Follow these EASY instructions to get started NOW! 1. Visit: http://www.leapnews.com/id/10986 Read through the site (it's about a 15 minute read). Order the free sample magazine--you'll love it. Click on "Subscribe" and join. Make sure you don't hit that "Join" button twice! Your cost for your first two months will be between $35 and $41, depending on your method of payment and if you live outside the U.S. 2. After you join, you will receive a welcome email from the company. Print it out and/or keep it safe. This email will tell you everywhere you need to go when you need some information. It will also contain the URL to your own web site. 3. After you have taken some time with the Training Center and Training Forum and you're ready to start promoting, go to http://hotyellow98.com/turnkey. This URL gives the initial contact letter you received and this letter which you will alter with your information. It also gives company approved instructions on how to send it. Make sure you read everything from the company. We don't want you to accidentally send SPAM and get cancelled. The company's rules and instructions will protect you. 4. After you have completed Step 3, go to the Training Center to get your free auto-responder, free email account, and ideas of places to get leads. Your upline members can also help you with lead sources. Send the contact letter to other people who are interested in building businesses and money making opportunities. You might even have a personal mailing list of your own, which is ideal! The more people you send the contact letter to, the faster you build your paycheck to $21,844 per month, but you don't have to send thousands of letters daily to succeed. Just 30 - 50 daily will get you there just fine! The business center on your web site is full of ways to advertise on the Internet for FREE if you need names for your personal email campaign. You will learn how to turn incoming ads into CASH! Remember, this is an education AND a cash-generating machine! If you don't LEARN, your earning potential will DECREASE! Read everything you can get your hands on because every bit of it will give you more ways to earn MORE MONEY! Above all, HAVE FUN! Making money and showing others how to make a bundle should be FUN!! And, trust me, it IS! 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From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 14:13:29 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22830 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29520; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA09935; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: harryl@us.ibm.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com cc: ipp@pwg.org Message-ID: <872568C8.0062DD68.00@d53mta05h.boulder.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:59:50 -0600 Subject: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"idEXyC.A.uZC.8mJA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.txt For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the request? Harry Lewis From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 14:27:35 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23032 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02258; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA17325; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000421112551.0092bd30@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:25:51 -0700 To: harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Cc: ipp@pwg.org In-Reply-To: <872568C8.0062DD68.00@d53mta05h.boulder.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TOFNgB.A.bOE.D1JA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is unambiguous, who cares? Bruce At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.txt > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >request? > >Harry Lewis > > > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 14:34:27 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23224 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03597; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA21657; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Morteza.Ansari@eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <39009E8C.48B657C5@eng.sun.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:31:40 -0700 From: Morteza Ansari Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Greenblatt CC: harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema References: <3.0.5.32.20000421112551.0092bd30@pop.walltech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QUn8NB.A.2RF.l7JA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exactly! As long as the OID is unique, what does it matter which part of the tree it is in? Morteza, Bruce Greenblatt wrote: > > What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is > unambiguous, who cares? > > Bruce > > At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet > >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > > > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.txt > > > > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems > >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document > >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to > >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for > >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an > >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the > >request? > > > >Harry Lewis > > > > > > > ============================================== > Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. > Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. > http://www.directory-applications.com > Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: > http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 14:35:08 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23252 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29712; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA22602; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <918C79AB552BD211A2BD00805F15CE8502F4AC99@x-crt-es-ms1.cp10.es.xerox.com> From: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" To: Bruce Greenblatt , harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:32:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"4B8iXD.A.mgF.H8JA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Bruce, It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. Carl-Uno Manros IETF IPP Chair -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is unambiguous, who cares? Bruce At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.t xt > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >request? > >Harry Lewis > > > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 15:02:50 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23867 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07987; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA03726; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alexis Bor" To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , "Bruce Greenblatt" , , , Cc: Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:02:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <918C79AB552BD211A2BD00805F15CE8502F4AC99@x-crt-es-ms1.cp10.es.xerox.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Ll2VaB.A.t3.FWKA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All we are doing is making IETF more politically correct, and thus making politics slow down the technical process... Are we going to go through several version of the draft arguing over this??? Let's just choose one and move on... It will not impact the sales of any products nor the operation of any protocol... -- Alexis Alexis Bor Directory Works, Inc. alexis.bor@directoryworks.com http://www.directoryworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:33 AM To: Bruce Greenblatt; harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Bruce, It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. Carl-Uno Manros IETF IPP Chair -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is unambiguous, who cares? Bruce At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.t xt > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >request? > >Harry Lewis > > > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 15:11:18 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23956 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09359; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA07880; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:09:01 -0500 From: Mark Wahl Subject: Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema In-reply-to: "Your message of Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:59:50 MDT." <872568C8.0062DD68.00@d53mta05h.boulder.ibm.com> Sender: Mark.Wahl@INNOSOFT.COM To: harryl@us.ibm.com Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org Message-id: <24041.956344141@threadgill.austin.innosoft.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"RxfsDD.A.26B.OeKA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com > Will the LDAP group make the request for an > assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the > request? LDAP allows any OID so long as it was legally obtained and has uniqueness guarantees. If you want an OID in 1.3.6.1 other than in 1.3.6.1.4.1, then you should request one from IANA. Mark Wahl, Directory Architect, Service Provider/Infrastructure Innosoft, part of Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s iPlanet alliance From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 15:45:07 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24407 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09718; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA18266; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: harryl@us.ibm.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: "Alexis Bor" cc: bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com Message-ID: <872568C8.006C4065.00@d53mta05h.boulder.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:42:19 -0600 Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"e-9vgC.A.IdE.Q9KA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Personally, I don't care about "politically" correct, I'm simply trying to be correct. I think a standards track RFC will carry the IETF copyright meaning the IETF is ultimately responsible for "change control" and would (presumably) desire not to have OIDs managed and maintained by a private enterprise. Granted, there's not a lot of dynamics available that could inadvertently "hose" an assigned OID subtree... no matter where it lies. Harry Lewis IBM Printing Systems "Alexis Bor" Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org 04/21/00 01:02 PM To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , "Bruce Greenblatt" , Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, , cc: Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema All we are doing is making IETF more politically correct, and thus making politics slow down the technical process... Are we going to go through several version of the draft arguing over this??? Let's just choose one and move on... It will not impact the sales of any products nor the operation of any protocol... -- Alexis Alexis Bor Directory Works, Inc. alexis.bor@directoryworks.com http://www.directoryworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:33 AM To: Bruce Greenblatt; harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Bruce, It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. Carl-Uno Manros IETF IPP Chair -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is unambiguous, who cares? Bruce At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.t xt > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >request? > >Harry Lewis > > > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 16:12:00 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24932 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15537; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA26334; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004212010.NAA23903@nasnfs.eng.sun.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kempf Reply-To: James Kempf Subject: Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema To: mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, harryl@us.ibm.com Cc: ipp@pwg.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: b/StIw8l+t9Sy8Dwkc0RhA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.2 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Resent-Message-ID: <"ztnTFB.A.MbG.yWLA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.txt > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >request? > I believe Ian McDonald followed the SLP to LDAP translation draft for this schema, described in draft-ietf-svrloc-template-conversion-05.txt. The OIDs you refer to are intended to be part of any schema, and are included in the instructions the draft gives for translation. If there is some problem with these OIDs, then I would appreciate advice about how to get them changed in the draft and not just for the specific case of the printer schema (I am a coauthor of the draft). A review earlier this year by an LDAP expert indicated no problem with the OIDs, so I assumed they were OK. jak From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 16:14:08 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24950 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15903; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA27471; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000421131228.00927e30@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:12:28 -0700 To: harryl@us.ibm.com, "Alexis Bor" From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com In-Reply-To: <872568C8.006C4065.00@d53mta05h.boulder.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BOIMAD.A.7sG.CZLA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com I think this is OK. For example, the S/MIME RFCs have OIDs from the RSA arc, e.g.: SecureMimeMessageV3 { iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) rsadsi(113549) pkcs(1) pkcs-9(9) smime(16) modules(0) smime(4) } This is in RFC 2633, which is an IETF Standards Track document. This it is politcally correct to have an OID that is in a corporate arc in a standards document. My recommendation, is to just continue using the ones that are in the draft, and not worry about it. Bruce At 01:42 PM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >Personally, I don't care about "politically" correct, I'm simply trying to >be correct. > >I think a standards track RFC will carry the IETF copyright meaning the >IETF is ultimately responsible for "change control" and would (presumably) >desire not to have OIDs managed and maintained by a private enterprise. > >Granted, there's not a lot of dynamics available that could inadvertently >"hose" an assigned OID subtree... no matter where it lies. > >Harry Lewis >IBM Printing Systems > > > > >"Alexis Bor" >Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org >04/21/00 01:02 PM > > > To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , "Bruce >Greenblatt" >, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, >, > cc: > Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > >All we are doing is making IETF more politically correct, and thus making >politics slow down the technical process... Are we going to go through >several version of the draft arguing over this??? > >Let's just choose one and move on... It will not impact the sales of >any >products nor the operation of any protocol... > >-- Alexis > >Alexis Bor >Directory Works, Inc. >alexis.bor@directoryworks.com >http://www.directoryworks.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com] >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:33 AM >To: Bruce Greenblatt; harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; >ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Cc: ipp@pwg.org >Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > >Bruce, > >It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. > >Carl-Uno Manros >IETF IPP Chair > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM >To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Cc: ipp@pwg.org >Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > >What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is >unambiguous, who cares? > >Bruce > >At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: >> >> >> >>The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >>Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. >> >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.t > >xt >> >> >>For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >>private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >>we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >>harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community >for >>registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >>assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >>request? >> >>Harry Lewis >> >> >> >============================================== >Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. >Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. >http://www.directory-applications.com >Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: >http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi > > > > > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 16:20:44 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25029 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16850; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA29716; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <918C79AB552BD211A2BD00805F15CE8502F4ACC3@x-crt-es-ms1.cp10.es.xerox.com> From: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" To: Bruce Greenblatt , harryl@us.ibm.com, Alexis Bor Cc: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:18:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"ElkjTD.A.CQH.NfLA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Bruce, I think we have an added problem in that Sun also intends to use this branch for some of their private extensions which go beyond the standardized values. I think that mixing the two on the same OID branch would cause more confusion then what it is worth. Carl-Uno Carl-Uno Manros Principal Engineer - Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation 701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231 Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514 Email: manros@cp10.es.xerox.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 1:12 PM To: harryl@us.ibm.com; Alexis Bor Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com; ipp@pwg.org; mark.wahl@innosoft.com Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema I think this is OK. For example, the S/MIME RFCs have OIDs from the RSA arc, e.g.: SecureMimeMessageV3 { iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) rsadsi(113549) pkcs(1) pkcs-9(9) smime(16) modules(0) smime(4) } This is in RFC 2633, which is an IETF Standards Track document. This it is politcally correct to have an OID that is in a corporate arc in a standards document. My recommendation, is to just continue using the ones that are in the draft, and not worry about it. Bruce At 01:42 PM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >Personally, I don't care about "politically" correct, I'm simply trying to >be correct. > >I think a standards track RFC will carry the IETF copyright meaning the >IETF is ultimately responsible for "change control" and would (presumably) >desire not to have OIDs managed and maintained by a private enterprise. > >Granted, there's not a lot of dynamics available that could inadvertently >"hose" an assigned OID subtree... no matter where it lies. > >Harry Lewis >IBM Printing Systems > > > > >"Alexis Bor" >Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org >04/21/00 01:02 PM > > > To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , "Bruce >Greenblatt" >, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, >, > cc: > Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > >All we are doing is making IETF more politically correct, and thus making >politics slow down the technical process... Are we going to go through >several version of the draft arguing over this??? > >Let's just choose one and move on... It will not impact the sales of >any >products nor the operation of any protocol... > >-- Alexis > >Alexis Bor >Directory Works, Inc. >alexis.bor@directoryworks.com >http://www.directoryworks.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com] >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:33 AM >To: Bruce Greenblatt; harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; >ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Cc: ipp@pwg.org >Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > >Bruce, > >It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. > >Carl-Uno Manros >IETF IPP Chair > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM >To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Cc: ipp@pwg.org >Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > >What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is >unambiguous, who cares? > >Bruce > >At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: >> >> >> >>The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >>Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. >> >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00. t > >xt >> >> >>For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >>private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >>we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >>harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community >for >>registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >>assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >>request? >> >>Harry Lewis >> >> >> >============================================== >Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. >Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. >http://www.directory-applications.com >Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: >http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi > > > > > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 16:26:05 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25234 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15613; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA01977; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004212024.NAA24233@nasnfs.eng.sun.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kempf Reply-To: James Kempf Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema To: alexis.bor@directoryworks.com, harryl@us.ibm.com Cc: bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: kAMLJIyOAs4GRMCBPbgdZQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.2 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Resent-Message-ID: <"cbQyxC.A.ne.NkLA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com I'll talk to IANA about deriving one from 1.3.6.1 for the SLP template translation draft, and then you can use that one for the IPP printer schema which I think was fashioned according to the draft. That will fix the problem for all schema derived according to the template translation draft (unless, of course, you prefer to have a unique OID for the printer schmea). Can anybody send me the email address of the person I need to contact at IANA for the OID assignment, and Ian McDonald's email address (presuming he's still working on the printer schema) so I can talk to him about it? Thanx. jak >Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) >From: harryl@us.ibm.com >X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS >To: "Alexis Bor" >cc: bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:42:19 -0600 >Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Disposition: inline >Resent-Message-ID: <"e-9vgC.A.IdE.Q9KA5"@glacier> >Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >X-Mailing-List: >X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com > > > > >Personally, I don't care about "politically" correct, I'm simply trying to >be correct. > >I think a standards track RFC will carry the IETF copyright meaning the >IETF is ultimately responsible for "change control" and would (presumably) >desire not to have OIDs managed and maintained by a private enterprise. > >Granted, there's not a lot of dynamics available that could inadvertently >"hose" an assigned OID subtree... no matter where it lies. > >Harry Lewis >IBM Printing Systems > > > > >"Alexis Bor" >Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org >04/21/00 01:02 PM > > > To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , "Bruce >Greenblatt" >, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, >, > cc: > Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > >All we are doing is making IETF more politically correct, and thus making >politics slow down the technical process... Are we going to go through >several version of the draft arguing over this??? > >Let's just choose one and move on... It will not impact the sales of >any >products nor the operation of any protocol... > >-- Alexis > >Alexis Bor >Directory Works, Inc. >alexis.bor@directoryworks.com >http://www.directoryworks.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com] >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:33 AM >To: Bruce Greenblatt; harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; >ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Cc: ipp@pwg.org >Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > >Bruce, > >It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. > >Carl-Uno Manros >IETF IPP Chair > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM >To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com >Cc: ipp@pwg.org >Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > >What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is >unambiguous, who cares? > >Bruce > >At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: >> >> >> >>The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet >>Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. >> >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.t > >xt >> >> >>For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems >>private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document >>we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to >>harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community >for >>registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an >>assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the >>request? >> >>Harry Lewis >> >> >> >============================================== >Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. >Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. >http://www.directory-applications.com >Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: >http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi > > > > From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 16:31:49 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25388 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19070; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA04326; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000421133005.009264b0@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:05 -0700 To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , harryl@us.ibm.com, Alexis Bor From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Cc: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" , ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com In-Reply-To: <918C79AB552BD211A2BD00805F15CE8502F4ACC3@x-crt-es-ms1.cp10 .es.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RiKJ1B.A.KDB.0pLA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Well, if Sun doesn't want you to use their arc for this, that is a different problem altogether. If it will help, I'm certainly willing to donate an arc off of my branch of the OID tree: 1.3.6.1.4.1.5515. I've already used a couple of branches underneath this, but I'm willing to allocate: 1.3.6.1.4.1.5515.3 for your use. Bruce At 01:18 PM 4/21/2000 -0700, Manros, Carl-Uno B wrote: >Bruce, > >I think we have an added problem in that Sun also intends to use this branch >for some of their private extensions which go beyond the standardized >values. I think that mixing the two on the same OID branch would cause more >confusion then what it is worth. > >Carl-Uno > ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 17:07:27 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25760 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20967; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA17879; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004212105.OAA25232@nasnfs.eng.sun.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kempf Reply-To: James Kempf Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema To: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, alexis.bor@directoryworks.com, bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: hpKYhD8VA5couQBDYSSzPQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.2 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Resent-Message-ID: <"MLuQsB.A.EXE.8KMA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com >Well, if Sun doesn't want you to use their arc for this, that is a >different problem altogether. If it will help, I'm certainly willing to >donate an arc off of my branch of the OID tree: No, it's not a matter of "Sun not wanting to", it's just that it seems there is some amount of unhappiness about using a Sun-specific arc. Since I put the OID in the draft, we're perfectly happy to donate the OID. >I've already used a couple of branches underneath this, but I'm willing to >allocate: 1.3.6.1.4.1.5515.3 for your use. It sounds to me like most people would prefer a neutral arc, not allocated to any company, but I can use this OID if there is no objection. What do people think? Should I use Bruce's or go to IANA for one? jak From list@netscape.com Fri Apr 21 18:00:14 2000 Received: from netscape.com ([205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26234 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02703; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA12827; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1115A7CFAC25D311BC4000508B2CA537310067@MAILSRVNT02> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'James Kempf'" , cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, alexis.bor@directoryworks.com, bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, "McDonald, Ira" Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:57:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <"WkAGuD.A.EID.T8MA5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Hi James, I don't see any base arc in your SLP to LDAP translation spec for all SLP templates to allocate below. But we have some complications anyway. We referred to your translation spec a good deal, BUT, during development of the LDAP schema, folks from IBM, Sharp, and Xerox indicated that they wanted an LDAP printer schema that was independent of SLP (and shorn of the SLP base attributes). So our actual draft defines 6 object classes: slpServicePrinter - aux class for SLP registered printers servicePrinter - abstract class - to be renamed 'printerAbstract' printerService - base structural class for printers printerServiceAuxClass - aux class for adding printer to some other object class printerIPP - aux class for IPP printers printerLPR - aux class for LPR printers (the first one defines the SLP standard attributes for attachment to either 'printerService' structural or 'printerServiceAuxClass' aux objects) (the last two are attached to one of the preceding two) So we need OIDs for six classes and a number of attributes. There are a lot of deployed LDAP-capable directories that have proprietary printer objects or ones from other standards (like DMTF's CIM printer). It proves useful to use the 'printerServiceAuxClass' to augment these existing printer objects with interoperable standardized attributes. Hope this helps set some context. Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-author LDAP printer schema High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: James Kempf [mailto:James.Kempf@Eng.Sun.COM] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 2:08 PM To: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; alexis.bor@directoryworks.com; bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com; ipp@pwg.org; mark.wahl@innosoft.com Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema >Well, if Sun doesn't want you to use their arc for this, that is a >different problem altogether. If it will help, I'm certainly willing to >donate an arc off of my branch of the OID tree: No, it's not a matter of "Sun not wanting to", it's just that it seems there is some amount of unhappiness about using a Sun-specific arc. Since I put the OID in the draft, we're perfectly happy to donate the OID. >I've already used a couple of branches underneath this, but I'm willing to >allocate: 1.3.6.1.4.1.5515.3 for your use. It sounds to me like most people would prefer a neutral arc, not allocated to any company, but I can use this OID if there is no objection. What do people think? 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Schiller" , mleech@nortelnetworks.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D_pZzD.A.4_E.KcSB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This was the comments from the Security ADs in the IETF regarding this document. Note that they recommend "not publish" if not the wg can make a point on why this is needed, especially with proxy support the way it is specified. Mark, please inform me what the wg want to do. Alternatives as I see it include (a) withdrawing the document completely and (b) updating the text, and communication directly with SEC ADs so they get happy. Until I hear what you want to do, the document is "On Hold" in the IESG. Regards, Patrik >From: Jeffrey Schiller >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:19:14 GMT >Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ldapext-x509-sasl >To: Patrik Fältström >CC: Jeffrey Schiller , Steve Coya , jis@mit.edu, > mleech@nortelnetworks.com, moore@cs.utk.edu > >I should have my latest round of comments tonight or tomorrow. > >However we have a fundamental disagreement hiding (or not) here. My >basic problem with the document is that it proposes a fairly heavy >weight authentication mechanism (using public key cryptography and a >certificate hierarchy) and then tosses away all of the advantages. > >One clear example is that this mechanism claims that it can be used >through proxies. Yet there is no way specified to authenticate that >the proxy is in fact a proxy and not an attacker who is inserting >himself in the data path and observing and modifying data going from >client to server. If this kind of thing is allowed, then what is the >point of having the security... so you can say so? > > -Jeff > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >On 2/25/00, 7:21:13 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote regarding >Re: draft-ietf-ldapext-x509-sasl: > > >> --On 2000-02-25 17.10 +0000, Jeffrey Schiller wrote: > >> > Yep, big problems. This is the document I mentioned on the call >> > yesterday. It should not be published. > >> Can you please then be the one suggesting text to be sent to the >ldapext wg? > >> paf At 9:39 AM -0500 2/28/00, Marcus Leech wrote: >Give this document to any security person, and they'll likely say > "what's the point, exactly?" 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Zeilenga" Subject: Re: LDAP Subentry and naming Cc: , In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-Tse3D.A.kJH.TfUB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 12:46 AM 3/30/00 -0700, Ed Reed wrote: >During the LDUP discussion of the LDAP Subentry draft >the matter of naming attributes came up again, and we need to settle what the draft needs to say. > >Mark Wahl notes that some vendors have objected that CN is a poor choice for naming ldapSubEntry entries in the directory. Since they'll not be visible to users and administrators, unless specifically requested, they'll be in a position to cause mysterious naming clashes with other entries named by CN. The example being that if an ldapSubEntry exists with the name CN=fred, and an administrator attempts to create a person with CN=fred, the administrator will likely get a "duplicate entry name" like error (there's already an entry with the name CN=fred), but the administrator won't see the subentry. > >Since many ldapSubEntry entries will be created automatically by software in the operation of the directory, it's reasonable to name them something that won't cause such mysterious seeming errors as the one described above. > >There might be several possible solutions: > >1) define a new attribute, say ldapSE, of type DirectoryString, with which ldapSubEntry entries may be named. I rather not introduce a new attribute solely to name subentries. >2) leave supplying of the naming attribute to developers who use an ldapSubEntry class to hold their information - this seems troublesome, as the ldapSubEntry class is a STRUCTURAL class, meaning that SOME naming rule is likely to be required, which could get in the way of subsequent users; An alternative would be to define ldapSubEntry as ABSTRACT and leaving naming to definers of structural subclasses. ( X NAME 'ldapSubEntry' ABSTRACT DESC 'subentry abstract class' ) Of course, this leaves the name conflict issues with the structural subclasses... >3) punt, and leave it the way X.500 defines it, and leave experiments surrounding solving this problem to future innovators. >Option 1 takes ldapSubEntry further and further away from the X.500 definition. That's not a problem to the author, if that's desireable because we've learned a change to the X.500 model is warranted. > >Option 2 seems, to me, to take us toward makeing ldapSubEntry an AUXILIARY class itself, instead of a STRUCTURAL class, but I confess I don't understand the nuances being navigated by the X.500 vendors in the room. At any event, this would be an even more serious diversion from the original X.500 model Subentry class definition, wouldn't it? - is that a problem? I think AUXILIARY is a bad choice as a subentry is a subentry and an entry is an entry and this must be establish when the entry is instantiated. Use of AUXILIARY would allow for an entry to be changed into a subentry and vice versa. My suggestion: Define LDAPsubentry as STRUCTURAL with MUST 'cn' but state that naming with attributes other than CN is allowed. From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 25 04:53:45 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA07278 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA08818; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA25514; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000425105150.009abdb0@infidel.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@infidel.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:51:50 +0200 To: "Vithalprasad Gaitonde" From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: OpenLDAP server design doc Cc: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VhtX2C.A.UOG.qyVB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This list is not for discussing the design of any particular server. Please redirect this to a more appropriate mailing list. For OpenLDAP, see . Kurt At 03:12 AM 4/24/00 -0600, Vithalprasad Gaitonde wrote: >Hi, > Is there a publicly available design doc for OpenLDAP server. Could any one let me know where to get it. >Thanks & Regards >Prasad > > > From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 25 05:01:46 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07376 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15761; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA27289; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000425105921.00946b60@infidel.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@infidel.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:59:21 +0200 To: James Kempf From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, alexis.bor@directoryworks.com, bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org, mark.wahl@innosoft.com In-Reply-To: <200004212105.OAA25232@nasnfs.eng.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6w2sdB.A.HqG.x6VB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com I believe if you look at the OIDs used by many of the standard track documents (RFC 2252 and others) you'll find uses of numerous OIDs under private enterprises. >What do people think? Should I use Bruce's or go to IANA for one? I suggest no change... (ie: use the OIDs delegated by Sun) Kurt At 02:08 PM 4/21/00 -0700, James Kempf wrote: >>Well, if Sun doesn't want you to use their arc for this, that is a >>different problem altogether. If it will help, I'm certainly willing to >>donate an arc off of my branch of the OID tree: > >No, it's not a matter of "Sun not wanting to", it's just that it seems there >is some amount of unhappiness about using a Sun-specific arc. Since >I put the OID in the draft, we're perfectly happy to donate the OID. > >>I've already used a couple of branches underneath this, but I'm willing to >>allocate: 1.3.6.1.4.1.5515.3 for your use. > >It sounds to me like most people would prefer a neutral arc, not >allocated to any company, but I can use this OID if there is no >objection. > >What do people think? 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X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Manros, Carl-Uno B" CC: Bruce Greenblatt , harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema References: <918C79AB552BD211A2BD00805F15CE8502F4AC99@x-crt-es-ms1.cp10.es.xerox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lR-kl.A.GCC.A5dB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Manros, Carl-Uno B" wrote: > Bruce, > > It is politically incorrect. We had objections raised in IET47 on this. > As the "OID manager" for the LDAP branch at Sun, I have difficulties understanding why all these exchanges on OIDs. These OIDs were allocated in the Sun branch because there were easy to get, not to prove Sun's ownership. I do maintain the list of allocated OIDs and there corresponding schema. These OIDs will never be used for any thing else, and even if you decide to use some other OIDs, they will be considered as allocated (and not reusable). There are and will be some other projects that will have OIDs issued from the Sun branch. I don't see why it's polically incorrect. By the way, humans should not deal with OIDs, there are some more friendly names for the schema elements. Applications should be using the OIDs but they don't. But they wouldn't care where the OIDs came from. Regards, Ludovic. Carl-Uno Manros > IETF IPP Chair > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Greenblatt [mailto:bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com] > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:26 AM > To: harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema > > What's wrong with continuing to use the one from Sun? As long as it is > unambiguous, who cares? > > Bruce > > At 11:59 AM 4/21/2000 -0600, harryl@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > > >The Internet Printing Protocol Working Group is developing an Internet > >Draft describing an LDAP Schema for Printer Services. > > > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-ldap-printer-schema-00.t > xt > > > > > >For expediency, the initial draft specifies OIDs from a Sun Microsystems > >private enterprise subtree. In preparation for a standards track document > >we would like these OIDs to be routed in a standards subtree. We want to > >harmonize with any convention that may exist within the LDAP community for > >registering this subtree. Will the LDAP group make the request for an > >assigned OID subtree or would you prefer for the IPP group to make the > >request? > > > >Harry Lewis > > > > > > > ============================================== > Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. > Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. > http://www.directory-applications.com > Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: > http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi -- Ludovic Poitou Sun Microsystems Inc. iPlanet E-Commerce Solutions - Directory Group - Grenoble - France From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 25 18:42:26 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28048 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17917; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA00932; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004252240.PAA10387@nasnfs.eng.sun.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kempf Reply-To: James Kempf Subject: Re: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema To: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ludovic.poitou@france.Sun.COM Cc: bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: ETlXXxxbRjlzunn48UllWA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.2 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Resent-Message-ID: <"xCAkOC.A.SO.47hB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com I think I understand now what some of the confusion around the OIDs taken from the SLP template conversion draft might be. I'm looking at an Internet draft, draft-sun-ldap-print-schema-00.txt, done by Ken Jones of Sun which appears to be a Sun-specific LDAP schema for printers, dated this Feburary. This draft has *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to do with draft-ietf-svrloc-template-conversion-05.txt, which is an official document of the SLP working group, on track for an informational RFC. As Ludovic pointed out, the fact that the OIDs were reserved means that they *WILL NOT* be used for anything else, and that they explicitly belong to the SLP working group to use in the RFC. Sun won't be using them or deriving anything from them for any internal purpose. If people are still uncomfortable with having Sun allocated OIDs in the schema, I have a request pending at IANA to get a special OID for the draft. I will not follow up on the request unless I hear some strong voices to the contrary. I'd also suggest that someone from the IPP group follow up with Ken and see whether he might not be interested in using the standardized schema (I'll try on my end as well). jak From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 25 19:11:09 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA28684 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26048; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA10648; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:01:07 -0600 From: "Hugo Parra" To: , , Cc: , , , , Subject: Re: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"woKOED.A.GmC.EXiB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id TAA28684 My vote is for having neutral OIDs (OIDs not associated with any one company) allocated for the LDAP schema(s) for printers. It's nice to know that SUN doesn't plan to use the OIDs for any other purpose, but why should the industry as a whole have to depend on any one company's OID management when IANA is set up for that purpose? Again, if the overhead for securing new OIDs is low, it makes sense to me to go down that path. Two cents. -Hugo >>> James Kempf 04/25/00 04:43PM >>> I think I understand now what some of the confusion around the OIDs taken from the SLP template conversion draft might be. I'm looking at an Internet draft, draft-sun-ldap-print-schema-00.txt, done by Ken Jones of Sun which appears to be a Sun-specific LDAP schema for printers, dated this Feburary. This draft has *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to do with draft-ietf-svrloc-template-conversion-05.txt, which is an official document of the SLP working group, on track for an informational RFC. As Ludovic pointed out, the fact that the OIDs were reserved means that they *WILL NOT* be used for anything else, and that they explicitly belong to the SLP working group to use in the RFC. Sun won't be using them or deriving anything from them for any internal purpose. If people are still uncomfortable with having Sun allocated OIDs in the schema, I have a request pending at IANA to get a special OID for the draft. I will not follow up on the request unless I hear some strong voices to the contrary. I'd also suggest that someone from the IPP group follow up with Ken and see whether he might not be interested in using the standardized schema (I'll try on my end as well). jak From list@netscape.com Tue Apr 25 20:34:37 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA00556 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02530; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA11317; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39063BF2.3778871@hitachi-hkis.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:44:34 -0700 From: Ron Bergman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf CC: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ludovic.poitou@france.sun.com, bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema References: <200004252240.PAA10387@nasnfs.eng.sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1lcRaB.A.gwC.TljB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I favor doing what is easiest, and that is keeping the OIDs as they are. In the end what difference does it make where the number was assigned. This may not be the "pure" solution, but it is just a number that some application has to interpret. We tend to get into very long discussions over issues that do not really have any long term consequences. I suggest that whoever (Harry and Ira?) is responsible for editing this document make a decision and the rest of us just live with it. Ron Bergman Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions James Kempf wrote: > I think I understand now what some of the confusion around the OIDs taken > from the SLP template conversion draft might be. > > I'm looking at an Internet draft, draft-sun-ldap-print-schema-00.txt, > done by Ken Jones of Sun which appears to be a Sun-specific LDAP schema for > printers, dated this Feburary. This draft has *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to do with > draft-ietf-svrloc-template-conversion-05.txt, which is an official > document of the SLP working group, on track for an informational RFC. As Ludovic > pointed out, the fact that the OIDs were reserved means that they *WILL NOT* be > used for anything else, and that they explicitly belong to the SLP working > group to use in the RFC. Sun won't be using them or deriving anything from them > for any internal purpose. > > If people are still uncomfortable with having Sun allocated OIDs in > the schema, I have a request pending at IANA to get a special OID > for the draft. I will not follow up on the request unless I hear > some strong voices to the contrary. > > I'd also suggest that someone from the IPP group follow up with Ken > and see whether he might not be interested in using the standardized > schema (I'll try on my end as well). > > jak From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 26 12:04:00 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29090 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17319; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA12524; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1115A7CFAC25D311BC4000508B2CA537310073@MAILSRVNT02> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'Ron Bergman'" , James Kempf Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ludovic.poitou@france.sun.com, bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:57:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <"mt20oB.A.aDD.hLxB5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Hi, Lots of confusion here... James - we already *have* coordinated with Ken Jones (Sun) about his original LDAP printer schema - Ken is a co-author of the SUBSEQUENT IPP WG blessed LDAP printer schema - one of the objections raised at IETF 47 to this later LDAP printer schema is that the Sun-specific object class (that Ken Jones contributed) must be removed from an IETF 'standards track' vendor neutral LDAP printer schema - we are now doing so. All - the principal author of the current vendor neutral LDAP printer schema is Pat Fleming (IBM AS/400 team in Rochester, MN) who maintains the database of LDAP schema and attributes for all IBM products (with the help of others, of course) and is quite knowledgeable about LDAP - both in theory and in actual practice. Pat is working on an updated draft - this draft will *remove* the use of the 'borrowed' Sun OID arcs (taken from Ken Jones' original Internet Draft) and leave them TBD (as is common in working drafts of IETF 'standards track' LDAP schema). The coauthors of the LDAP printer schema are: Pat Fleming (editor, IBM - for LDAP usage and class structure) Harry Lewis (IBM - for IPP WG coherence) Ken Jones (Sun - for Sun-specific issues) Ira McDonald (High North - for SLP 'printer' template coherence) We'll keep you posted. A new draft should be out very soon. Cheers, - Ira McDonald, consulting architect at Xerox and Sharp High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Ron Bergman [mailto:rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:45 PM To: James Kempf Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com; ludovic.poitou@france.sun.com; bgreenblatt@directory-applications.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; mark.wahl@innosoft.com; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema I favor doing what is easiest, and that is keeping the OIDs as they are. In the end what difference does it make where the number was assigned. This may not be the "pure" solution, but it is just a number that some application has to interpret. We tend to get into very long discussions over issues that do not really have any long term consequences. I suggest that whoever (Harry and Ira?) is responsible for editing this document make a decision and the rest of us just live with it. Ron Bergman Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions James Kempf wrote: > I think I understand now what some of the confusion around the OIDs taken > from the SLP template conversion draft might be. > > I'm looking at an Internet draft, draft-sun-ldap-print-schema-00.txt, > done by Ken Jones of Sun which appears to be a Sun-specific LDAP schema for > printers, dated this Feburary. This draft has *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to do with > draft-ietf-svrloc-template-conversion-05.txt, which is an official > document of the SLP working group, on track for an informational RFC. As Ludovic > pointed out, the fact that the OIDs were reserved means that they *WILL NOT* be > used for anything else, and that they explicitly belong to the SLP working > group to use in the RFC. Sun won't be using them or deriving anything from them > for any internal purpose. > > If people are still uncomfortable with having Sun allocated OIDs in > the schema, I have a request pending at IANA to get a special OID > for the draft. I will not follow up on the request unless I hear > some strong voices to the contrary. > > I'd also suggest that someone from the IPP group follow up with Ken > and see whether he might not be interested in using the standardized > schema (I'll try on my end as well). > > jak From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 26 18:03:42 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05676 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20809; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA25881; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: smiley9@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004262200.e3QM06x14837@xwing.netscape.com> To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Would you like to make $50,000 in 90 days X-Reply-To: smiley9@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uQywd.A.HUG.pc2B5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is going to be a great year for you! 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IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. 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To grow fast be prompt and courteous. ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ ***Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA THE QUICKEST DELIVERY - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your postal address. ________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: K. Guillot 155 Blue Bayou Lane Houma, La. 70364 ________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: D. Gagne 119 S.W. 7 th Ave Boynton Beach, Florida 33435 ________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: MBI P.O. Box 1564 Portage, Indiana 46368 49004 ________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: C. Chen 6425 Aspen Way Cincinnati, OH 45224 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with $5.....................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)........$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)...$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5x10,000).$50,000 THIS TOTALS ------> $55,550 Remember, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Lots of people get 100s of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE! REPORT #3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! Over 50,000, new people, get on the internet EVERYDAY (CBS NEWS)! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product (report) to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18, Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* Follow these guidelines to help assure your success: If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash can continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings and results are highly dependant on your activities and advertising. This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. *******T E S T I M O N I A L S******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For a while, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this plan is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! NOW IS THE TIME ! DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS ! ************************************************************** From list@netscape.com Wed Apr 26 19:01:03 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06472 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18121; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA18919; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000426155513.0092f500@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:55:13 -0700 To: "McDonald, Ira" , "'Ron Bergman'" , James Kempf From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: RE: IPP> Re: Root OID for IPP Printer Schema Cc: cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com, ludovic.poitou@france.sun.com, harryl@us.ibm.com, mark.wahl@innosoft.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ipp@pwg.org In-Reply-To: <1115A7CFAC25D311BC4000508B2CA537310073@MAILSRVNT02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZuyiUB.A.VnE.nQ3B5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 08:57 AM 4/26/2000 -0700, McDonald, Ira wrote: >Hi, > >Lots of confusion here... > >James - we already *have* coordinated with Ken Jones (Sun) about I think that the only confusion here is that the IETF might care if the IPP LDAP schema uses OIDs that descend from the SUN arc of the OID tree. If some people in the IPP working group don't like it, I think that the (rough) consensus here is that it isn't a big deal. Use the Sun OIDs, and don't look back. Bruce ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. Directory Tools and Application Services, Inc. http://www.directory-applications.com Sign up for our LDAP Technical Overview Seminar at: http://www.acteva.com/go/dtasi From list@netscape.com Thu Apr 27 06:53:37 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA26210 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA14881; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA15917; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004271052.GAA26145@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:52:16 -0400 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us Resent-Message-ID: <"ez0Z6.A.b4D.fvBC5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the LDAP Extension Working Group of the IETF. Title : Discovering LDAP Services with DNS Author(s) : M. Armijo, L. Esibov, P. Leach, R. Morgan Filename : draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt Pages : 4 Date : 26-Apr-00 A Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) request must be directed to an appropriate server for processing. This document specifies a method for discovering such servers using information in the Domain Name System. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000426111318.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000426111318.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From list@netscape.com Thu Apr 27 18:32:21 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA07855 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13256; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA07357; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3908BFA8.BF008A5F@software.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:31:04 -0700 From: sanjay jain Organization: Software.Com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-ldapext Subject: attribute textual names and/or OIDs in LDAP protocol ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7DWAI.A.ryB.s-LC5"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could somebody please clarify what  an LDAP server should
expect in the protocol as far as attribute names are concerned
when the server knows both the textual name and the OID for
an attribute ?
E.g. if an LDAP server knows both the textual name and the OID
of an attribute then should it be able to handle ONLY the textual name
OR both the textual name and the OID in DNs, required attribute lists,
filters, in add/modify  etc. for that attribute ?  (My guess: both)
It is clear from RFC 2251 (section 4.1.4) that the server should
return the textual name for such an attribute in the search result.

thanks
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