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The attached document won't actually be published by the internet drafts = editors because the folks running the show have actually instituted an = automated cut-off that bounces anything you submit after their deadline = telling you you can simply amuse yourself until after December 10th. How = amusing. This document has been reved and edited. The information model will be = revised in line with this document. We've changed the term for the partition of the directory namespace from = Naming Context, which has conventionally meant something about portitions = of the namespace held on a server, to Replication Context, several of = which may make up the Naming Context on a given server. 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Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB20rbD27034; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB211aE04544; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:01:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200012020059.AAO48966@mail.coreon.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:13:19 -0500 Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks To: "Larry S. Bartz" Cc: "Quevedo, Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4pKMKC.A.uGB.vnEK6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> It looks like the dlmHelperRefTo... should actually be: dlm...HelperRef. >> This must have happen when applying a "new" naming convention to the >> attributes type descriptions, but did not to modify their references in the >> object class descriptions. >> >> Can the DMTF team confirm this? I can confirm that... they should be ..HelperRef, but in editing the document we got them out of sync. >I guessed the same. I substituted the dlm...HelperRef attrs in the >attachment to my initial message. > >I've spotted another potential difficulty with the schema of DSP0117. > >See this description: > >attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.1.2.1 > NAME 'orderedCimKeys' > SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.15 SINGLE-VALUE > EQUALITY octetStringMatch > ) > >The matching rule syntax does not match the attribute's syntax. This >must be corrected. Well, as an editor, I get to play the "no complaints without making a suggestion" card. What do you suggest as the equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds UTF-8 strings. Actually, the more I think about this, I think this is a bigger issue than just Policy, so I'm cross posting to ldapext and the newly minted ldapbis to see what those folks can add. Ryan Moats From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 1 21:22:43 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA05425 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB228Is13577; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB22LBY00041; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:21:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:21:11 -0800 (PST) Sender: mwahl@netscape.com Message-ID: <3A285C91.64107968@sun.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:21:05 -0800 From: Mark Wahl Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmoats@coreon.net CC: "Larry S. Bartz" , "Quevedo Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks References: <200012020059.AAO48966@mail.coreon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4akK2C.A.V.VyFK6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rmoats@coreon.net wrote: > > > Well, as an editor, I get to play the "no complaints without > making a suggestion" card. What do you suggest as the > equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and > LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is > caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with > declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds > UTF-8 strings. There can be other matching rules for Directory String syntax attributes besides case ignore. Case ignore is just the most common. You can have a Case Sensitive, or other more complex ones if you define them. Mark Wahl Sun Microsystems Inc. From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 1 22:34:13 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA19285 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB23Jls18851; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB23WeA14401; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:32:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:32:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012020332.eB23WbR13413@xwing.netscape.com> From: wqlvs@hotmail.com To: tgbui@Cybermarkets.netscape.com Reply-To: ron01u2@n2mail.com Subject: Need Cash? You Can Do This! 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From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 1 23:24:56 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA27074 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB24FPD17942; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB24NOs25712; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:23:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200012020422.AAO49142@mail.coreon.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:36:06 -0500 Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks To: Mark Wahl Cc: "Larry S. Bartz" , Quevedo Felix , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vNM5q.A.eRG.7kHK6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark- I realize that but doesn't, that sort of put the cart before the horse, by creating an implementation barrier? Thinking about it, I suppose the document could define a new matching rule and say "in case your directory implementation doesn't support this you can use ", but I was looking for what could be besides caseIgnoreMatch. Ryan ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:21:05 -0800 >From: Mark Wahl >Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks >To: rmoats@coreon.net >Cc: "Larry S. Bartz" , "Quevedo Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > >rmoats@coreon.net wrote: >> > >> >> Well, as an editor, I get to play the "no complaints without >> making a suggestion" card. What do you suggest as the >> equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and >> LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is >> caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with >> declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds >> UTF-8 strings. > >There can be other matching rules for Directory String syntax >attributes besides case ignore. Case ignore is just the most >common. You can have a Case Sensitive, or other more complex >ones if you define them. > >Mark Wahl >Sun Microsystems Inc. From list@netscape.com Sat Dec 2 08:18:55 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA28097 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB2D4Os15355; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB2DHHQ24039; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:17:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:17:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8E1E94178828D143B34A560A7A6F2C0B01A6A0FC@mailmaestro.smartpipes.com> From: "Quevedo, Felix" To: "'rmoats@coreon.net'" , Mark Wahl Cc: "Larry S. Bartz" , "Quevedo, Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: RE: CIM24 schema tweaks Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:15:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id eB2DHFv24015 Resent-Message-ID: <"4DZfCC.A.V3F.cZPK6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by netscape.com id eB2D4Os15355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id IAA28097 All, Interesting... Having the opportunity to be at the directory server vendor side, and now as a server user, I do believe the spec work has been wonderful. Functional inter-operations are possible thanks to the effort. Schema inter-operations... we are not there yet. We all know there could be many implementations, but only one (one hopes) guideline/recommendation/standard document. It would be a daunting task to cover all possible interpretations (implementations). This may be beyond the scope of the spec. To all of this we should also consider the limitations of the underlining technology on which that implementation is based on. Is there a Directory server that supports near 100% the LDAP spec? Maybe. Is it the one we all use? Sure not. Let's take MS ActiveDirectory (pardon the example). It does not support multiple names or attribute superiors or matching rules or ... It does however have other features like LinkID's to define relationships. So we have to take the spec and "adjust" it to the technology. Who should do it? The developer? The vendor? The spec editor? The industry is hungry for guidance from the standard bodies. Not necessarily the ultimate solution. Thanks to all!! Félix E Quevedo :) Smile, everything is possible! E-Mail: fquevedo@smartpipes.com Voice: 614 923 6242 Fax: 614 923 6299 -----Original Message----- From: rmoats@coreon.net [mailto:rmoats@coreon.net] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 23:36 To: Mark Wahl Cc: Larry S. Bartz; Quevedo Felix; IETF Policy WG LIST; ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks Mark- I realize that but doesn't, that sort of put the cart before the horse, by creating an implementation barrier? Thinking about it, I suppose the document could define a new matching rule and say "in case your directory implementation doesn't support this you can use ", but I was looking for what could be besides caseIgnoreMatch. Ryan ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:21:05 -0800 >From: Mark Wahl >Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks >To: rmoats@coreon.net >Cc: "Larry S. Bartz" , "Quevedo Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > >rmoats@coreon.net wrote: >> > >> >> Well, as an editor, I get to play the "no complaints without >> making a suggestion" card. What do you suggest as the >> equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and >> LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is >> caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with >> declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds >> UTF-8 strings. > >There can be other matching rules for Directory String syntax >attributes besides case ignore. Case ignore is just the most >common. You can have a Case Sensitive, or other more complex >ones if you define them. > >Mark Wahl >Sun Microsystems Inc. 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The ldup information model document goes into details about the use of subentries by ldup...including replica and replication agreements. Any references to them in this document should only be by way of example, not specification. Ed ================= Ed Reed Reed-Matthews, Inc. +1 801 796 7065 http://www.Reed-Matthews.COM >>> "Ryan Moats" 11/27/00 08:51AM >>> Ed- Maybe I'm missing something, but when I read through the draft, I see an acknowledgement of how to store Replica and Replication Agreement information but no discussion of how to store Replica and Replication Agreement in the document. Is this intentional or did I just miss something [a common state of affairs]. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Ed Reed [mailto:eer@OnCallDBA.COM] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 4:10 PM To: internet-drafts@ietf.org Cc: ietf-ldup@imc.org; ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: draft-ietf-ldup-subentry-06.txt Please publish the attached revised internet draft - draft-ietf-ldup-subentry-06.txt Abstract: This document describes two object classes called ldapSubEntry and inheritableLDAPSubEntry which MAY be used to indicate operations and management related entries in the directory, called LDAP Subentries. To control the visibility of entries of type ldapSubEntry, a control, ldapSubentriesControl, is defined, and a special case using Search filters is described. Scope rules are defined along with rules for dealing with inheritance of subentry policy. To the work group: 1) sorry this arrives to you in base64 encoding...if it does (hi, Rick!) 2) I've significantly revised this document to include the scope discussion requested, and to provide an example scope extension for inheritance and inheritance blocking. 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X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com CC: Mark.Wahl@sun.com, roland@catalogix.se, agenda@ietf.org Subject: IETF LDAPEXT Draft Agenda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G1nqJD.A.xlF.fA_K6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the draft agenda for the LDAPEXT meeting. Thanks, Mark Wahl and Roland Hedberg LDAP Extension Working Group (LDAPEXT) Monday, December 11, 1300-1500 "Marina 6" Room CHAIRS: Mark Wahl and Roland Hedberg AGENDA: 1. Introduction and Agenda Bashing 2. Working Group Status (Mark Wahl and Roland Hedberg) 3. Scrolling List View (Michael Armijo) draft-ietf-ldapext-ldapv3-vlv-04.txt 4. Server Discovery through DNS (RL 'Bob' Morgan) draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-04.txt 5. Java API (Rob Weltman) draft-ietf-ldapext-ldap-java-api-12.txt (*UPDATED*) 6. Referrals and knowledge maintenance (Roland Hedberg and Kurt Zeilenga) draft-ietf-ldapext-refer-00.txt draft-zeilenga-ldap-namedref-01.txt (*UPDATED*) 7. Duplicate Entries (Jim Sermersheim) draft-ietf-ldapext-ldapv3-dupent-06.txt (*UPDATED*) 8. Access Control Model (Ellen Stokes) draft-ietf-ldapext-acl-model-06.txt 9. CLDAP (Leif Johansson) draft-ietf-ldapext-cldap-00.txt 10. Subentries (Ed Reed) draft-ietf-ldup-subentry-05.txt (*UPDATED*) 11. Charter Review (Mark Wahl and Roland Hedberg) 12. ITU-T alignment with LDAP (Peter Yee) 13. Evolving LDAP Schema Entries (Ellen Stokes) 14. Storing Whois in LDAP (Andrew Newton) 15. Non Work Items (those discussed to be determined at meeting) draft-armijo-ldap-control-error-00.txt (Michael Armijo) draft-behera-ldap-password-policy-03.txt (Prasanta Behera) draft-ietf-ldapext-matchedval-04.txt (David Chadwick) draft-elliott-ldapext-spdna-recrecs-00.txt (Dave Elliott) draft-greenblatt-ldapext* (Bruce Greenblatt) draft-haripriya-ldapext-entryselect-01.txt (Haripriya S.) draft-rharrison-ldap-extpartresp-02.txt (R. Harrison) draft-knvijay-ldapext-clientcachingproxy-00.txt (K. N. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Jy4Rg.A.DyG.25CL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Dear Friend, This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this opportunity, get involved also, and it will work for you as it does for us!!!!! Thank you for your time and interest. This email contains the ENTIRE PLAN of how YOU can make $50,000 or more in the next 90 days simply sending email! Seem impossible? Just read on and see how easy this is.... Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. 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This simplified e- mail marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME! E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this virtually free method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello - My name is Johnathon Rourke, I'm from Rhode Island. The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. Two years ago, the corporation I worked for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life. I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this could change your life FOREVER. FINANCIALLY$$$!!! In mid December, I received this program in my e-mail. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work. But as I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly. I couldn't believe my eyes! Here was a MONEY MAKING MACHINE I could start immediately without any debt. 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I have retired from the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas,information,materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU!! NOW DO IT!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you delete this program from your in box, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. $$$ IT WORKS!!! $$$ Jody Jacobs Richmond, VA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$$$$!!!! This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making business. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we sell and deliver a product for EVERY dollar received. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home,store or office. This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order filling by email! ************************************************************ ******* The product is informational and instructional material, keys to the secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic world of E-COMMERCE , the information highway, the wave of the future ! PLAN SUMMARY: (1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come to you by email. (2) Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report #1 and move the other names down. (3) Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other major search engines to locate hundreds of bulk email service companies (search for "bulk email") and have them send 25,000 - 50,000 emails for you about $49+) (4) Orders will come to you by postal mail - simply email them the Report they ordered. Let me ask you - isn't this about as easy as it gets? ************************************************************ ******* By the way there are over 50 MILLION email addresses with millions more joining the internet each year so don't worry about "running out" or "saturation". People are used to seeing and hearing the same advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times have you received the same pizza flyers on your door? Then one day you are hungry for pizza and you order one. Same thing with this letter. I received this lettermany times - then one day I decided it was time to try it. ************************************************************ ******* YOU CAN START TODAY - JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS: STEP #1. ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). -- For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so you can send them to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER a. Look below for the listing of the four reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, delete the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle. c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY! STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to these instructions. Now you are ready to use this entire email to send by email to prospects. Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software and email addresses so you can send it out to thousands of people while you sleep! Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). You obviously already have access to a computer and an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved email out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. The response could be much better. Also, many people will email outhundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000 (Why stop at 2000?). But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000s end out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1st level--your first 10 send you $5...............$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)........$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)........$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).......$50,000 $$$$$$ THIS TOTALS ----------$55,550 $$$$$$ AMAZING ISN'T IT? Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants and many will continue to work this program, sending out programs WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ People are going to get emails about this plan from you or somebody else and many will work this plan - the question is - Don't you want your name to be on the emails they will send out? * * * DON'T MISS OUT!!! * * * JUST TRY IT ONCE!!! * * * * * SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!! *** YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!!* * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS NOW. Notes: -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper write: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Melissa Kugler 4397 North Niles Road New Cambria, KS 67470 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Glen Comer 941 Nena Ave. Havre de Grace, MD 21078 REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: James Bybee 382 N. 800 W. Orem, UT 84057 REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Joy Carver 1904 San Gabriel #103 Austin, TX 78705 ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. It is required for this to be a legal business and they need the reports to send out their letters (with your name on them! -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. -- Be patient and persistent with this program - If you follow the instructions exactly - results WILL FOLLOW. $$$$ ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. To generate more income, simply send another batch of e- mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? If the answer is no, then please look at the following facts about this super simple MLM program: 1. NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory! NO Telephone calls, NO big cost to start!, NOthing to learn, NO skills needed! (Surely you know how to send email?) 2. 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PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency)1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax reuirements. Your earnings are highly dependent on your activities and advertising. The information contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington, DC. ================================================ If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. This message is sent in compliance of the new E-mail bill, Section 301. Paragraph (a) (2) (C) of S. 1618. This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is necessary. From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 08:07:23 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA08438 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5CvhT10011; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 04:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5D5mk26984; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 05:05:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 05:05:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: lsbart35@mears.indy.cr.irs.gov Message-ID: <3A2CE7CB.F8C3EE9C@parnelli.indy.cr.irs.gov> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:04:11 -0500 From: "Larry S. Bartz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmoats@coreon.net CC: "Quevedo, Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: matching rules for directoryString [was: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks] References: <200012020059.AAO48966@mail.coreon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i_uZSB.A.WlG.rgOL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rmoats@coreon.net wrote: > .[snip] > What do you suggest as the > equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and > LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is > caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with > declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds > UTF-8 strings. [snip] > I'm reading X.501 and X.520 from ftp://ftp.bull.com/pub/OSIdirectory/4thEditionTexts/ (hurry for your copy). Although these are drafts from the 4th edition of the X.500 series, it does not appear that the sections which apply to this immediate issue are new or different from current/previous documents. X.501 requires that the assertion syntax of the matching rule and the syntax of attributes to which the matching rule is applied must be equivalent. See section 13.5. X.520 defines a caseExactMatch rule which applies to directoryString attributes. See section 6.1.4. Section 8 of RFC2252 does not mention a caseExactMatch rule which applies to directoryString attributes. But neither does it appear that section 8 was intended to describe the entire universe of allowable or appropriate matching rules. Nothing in RFC2252's section 8 precludes a Directory implementation from supporting matching rules beyond those which are enumerated. Section 3.3 of RFC2251 asserts LDAP's relationship to X.500 and the requirement for LDAP servers to support the X.500 data and service models. Based on these facts, think it is reasonable to specify caseExactMatch for directoryString attributes. Further, I think it is reasonable to expect that Directory implementations will support it. Also see http://www.alvestrand.no/objectid/2.5.13.5.html Note that the specification of caseExactMatch for directoryString attributes did not prevent RFCs 2713 and 2714 from obtaining. -- #::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| # Larry Bartz | | # lbartz@parnelli.indy.cr.irs.gov | Ooo, ooo, | # | Ooo, ooo, oooooo! | # | I've got a gnu attitude! | # voice (317) 226-7060 | | # FAX (317) 226-6378 | | #::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 12:16:02 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA15819 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5H0As06964; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5HD8U29242; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:13:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:13:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:12:32 -0700 From: "Steve Sonntag" To: , Subject: Java-api-12 - input/output stream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_461D5C1B.365728A2" Resent-Message-ID: <"fcD5dD.A.nHH.hISL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_461D5C1B.365728A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & OutputStream= methods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. The document states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream()=20 (4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing=20 a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a=20 proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1) I don't ever see a case where one would set the input stream and=20 not also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method should set both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not thread = safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection "in progress"? Is there an intent that the existing stream classes be subclassed to add encryption or other functionality?=20 Or does it only make sense to change the streams only after the connect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an application using the existing input/output streams directly on a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to read on the input stream - that could cause great confusion in the API as the reader thread in the api and the application contend for input data. Rather they would only be used to create sub classes that extend their functionality. Am I on the right track here? -Steve ------------------------ Steve Sonntag Novell, Inc., the leading provider of Net services software --=_461D5C1B.365728A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream &=20 OutputStream
methods should be used in the LDAPConnection class.  The
document states:
 
Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream()
(4.6.36)= , and=20 setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing
a security layer = with=20 SASL, and may also be used to interpose a
proxy.
 
A few comments. and questions:
 
1)   I don't ever see a case where one would set the input = stream=20 and
not also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method=20 should
set both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not = thread=20 safe.
 
2) Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection
"in progress"?  Is there an intent that the existing stream = classes=20 be
subclassed to add encryption or other functionality?
Or does it only make sense to change the streams only
after the connect and before the bind or the first operation?
 
3) I don't ever see an application using the existing input/output
streams directly on a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to = read
on the input stream - that could cause great confusion in the = API
as the reader thread in the api and the application contend for
input data.  Rather they would only be used to create sub=20 classes
that extend their functionality.  Am I on the right track = here?
 
-Steve
 
------------------------
Steve Sonntag
Novell, Inc., the = leading=20 provider of Net services software
 
 
--=_461D5C1B.365728A2-- From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 13:26:27 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA00690 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5IBis19825; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5IOhQ02025; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:24:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:24:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A2D3233.DE506E8A@salford.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 18:21:39 +0000 From: David Chadwick Organization: University of Salford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Larry S. Bartz" CC: rmoats@coreon.net, "Quevedo, Felix" , IETF Policy WG LIST , ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: matching rules for directoryString [was: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks] References: <200012020059.AAO48966@mail.coreon.net> <3A2CE7CB.F8C3EE9C@parnelli.indy.cr.irs.gov> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BB8BF107B1871D3FC47B700A" Resent-Message-ID: <"gDgMm.A.Uf.qLTL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BB8BF107B1871D3FC47B700A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Larry S. Bartz" wrote: > > rmoats@coreon.net wrote: > > > .[snip] > > What do you suggest as the > > equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and > > LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is > > caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with > > declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds > > UTF-8 strings. > [snip] > > > Larry wrote the following text to justify using caseExactMatch. However, what he forgot to include (which is even more compelling evidence) is that X.500 (and LDAPv3) support dynamic allocation of matching rules to attributes through the use of the MatchingRuleUse schema element. Therefore in theory all LDAP servers should be able to support caseExact for directory strings David > I'm reading X.501 and X.520 from > ftp://ftp.bull.com/pub/OSIdirectory/4thEditionTexts/ (hurry for your > copy). Although these are drafts from the 4th edition of the X.500 > series, it does not appear that the sections which apply to this > immediate issue are new or different from current/previous documents. > > X.501 requires that the assertion syntax of the matching rule and > the syntax of attributes to which the matching rule is applied > must be equivalent. See section 13.5. > > X.520 defines a caseExactMatch rule which applies to directoryString > attributes. See section 6.1.4. > > Section 8 of RFC2252 does not mention a caseExactMatch rule which > applies to directoryString attributes. But neither does it appear that > section 8 was intended to describe the entire universe of allowable > or appropriate matching rules. Nothing in RFC2252's section 8 precludes > a Directory implementation from supporting matching rules beyond those > which are enumerated. > > Section 3.3 of RFC2251 asserts LDAP's relationship to X.500 and the > requirement for LDAP servers to support the X.500 data and service > models. > > Based on these facts, think it is reasonable to specify caseExactMatch > for directoryString attributes. Further, I think it is reasonable to > expect that Directory implementations will support it. > > Also see http://www.alvestrand.no/objectid/2.5.13.5.html > > Note that the specification of caseExactMatch for directoryString > attributes did not prevent RFCs 2713 and 2714 from obtaining. > > -- > #::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| > # Larry Bartz | | > # lbartz@parnelli.indy.cr.irs.gov | Ooo, ooo, | > # | Ooo, ooo, oooooo! | > # | I've got a gnu attitude! | > # voice (317) 226-7060 | | > # FAX (317) 226-6378 | | > #::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| -- ***************************************************************** David Chadwick, BSc PhD Post: IS Institute, University of Salford, Salford M5 4WT Tel: +44 161 295 5351 Fax +44 161 745 8169 Mobile: +44 790 167 0359 Email: D.W.Chadwick@salford.ac.uk Home Page: http://www.salford.ac.uk/its024/chadwick.htm Research Projects: http://sec.isi.salford.ac.uk Understanding X.500: http://www.salford.ac.uk/its024/X500.htm X.500/LDAP Seminars: http://www.salford.ac.uk/its024/seminars.htm Entrust key validation string: MLJ9-DU5T-HV8J ***************************************************************** --------------BB8BF107B1871D3FC47B700A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="d.w.chadwick.vcf" Content-Description: Card for David Chadwick Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="d.w.chadwick.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Chadwick;David tel;fax:+44 1484 532930 tel;home:+44 790 167 0359 tel;work:+44 161 295 5351 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:d.w.chadwick@salford.ac.uk x-mozilla-cpt:;-16144 fn:David Chadwick end:vcard --------------BB8BF107B1871D3FC47B700A-- From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 13:48:13 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA08565 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5IXFs24263; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5IkEA14720; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:46:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:46:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A2D37C3.F166FB2@worldspot.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:45:23 -0800 From: Rob Weltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Sonntag CC: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Java-api-12 - input/output stream References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FDF1869ADA7607B859655F7F" Resent-Message-ID: <"qLerjC.A.tlD.1fTL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com --------------FDF1869ADA7607B859655F7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve Sonntag wrote: > I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & Output= Streammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. Thedocument st= ates: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream() > (4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing > a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a > proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1) I don't ever see a case wher= e one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If thi= s is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them indivi= dually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to set t= hese values on a connection"in progress"? Is there an intent that the ex= isting stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other functionali= ty?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter the connect= and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an appli= cation using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a connection in= progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that could cause g= reat confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the applicat= ion contend forinput data. Rather they would only be used to create sub = classesthat extend their functionality. Am I on the right track here? -S= teve The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where th= e result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case, both= input and output streams are replaced. Someone at Novell (I don't remember who) told me sometime last year tha= t the methods would be useful for introducing a proxy. I thought that was= a reasonable use, so I added that comment to the draft, but I haven't us= ed the methods for that purpose myself. Neither of those two uses require subclassing. Rob --------------FDF1869ADA7607B859655F7F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Sonntag wrote:
  I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & OutputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class.  Thedocument states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream()
(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing
a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a
proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1)   I don't ever see a case where one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection"in progress"?  Is there an intent that the existing stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other functionality?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter the connect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an application using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that could cause great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the application contend forinput data.  Rather they would only be used to create sub classesthat extend their functionality.  Am I on the right track here? -Steve


  The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where the result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case, both input and output streams are replaced.

  Someone at Novell (I don't remember who) told me sometime last year that the methods would be useful for introducing a proxy. I thought that was a reasonable use, so I added that comment to the draft, but I haven't used the methods for that purpose myself.

  Neither of those two uses require subclassing.

Rob
  --------------FDF1869ADA7607B859655F7F-- From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 13:49:51 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA09109 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5IYjs24832; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5Ili615767; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "John Liang" To: Subject: vlv without sss Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c05eeb$d5d6bf00$b305400a@software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"XiblkD.A.C2D.OhTL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI there, If there is no Server Side Sorting control with VLV control, should the server return unsorted result or just send an error message back to the client? And Does the criticality value relative at this case? Thanks, -- John Liang From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 14:12:36 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA17049 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5J2iT10591; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5JAkc14130; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:10:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:10:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:10:05 -0700 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: , Subject: Re: vlv without sss Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id eB5JAcv14058 Resent-Message-ID: <"KSClv.A._bD.x2TL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In this case, the control is not being sent properly. The operation should fail (most likely with a protocol error) and a vlv response control sent with the error sortControlMissing (60) set. The criticality shouldn't matter in this case. RFC 2251 says that the criticality is only evaluated for two cases, 1) whether the control is recognized, 2) whether the control is appropriate for the operation (an innapropriate case would be the VLV control on a bind operation). Jim >>> "John Liang" 12/5/00 11:47:36 AM >>> HI there, If there is no Server Side Sorting control with VLV control, should the server return unsorted result or just send an error message back to the client? And Does the criticality value relative at this case? Thanks, -- John Liang From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 16:38:55 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA21646 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5LOBs23830; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5LbAk03623; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001205133533.038be2b0@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:36:17 -0800 To: Rob Weltman From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: Java-api-12 - input/output stream Cc: Steve Sonntag , ietf-ldapext@netscape.com In-Reply-To: <3A2D37C3.F166FB2@worldspot.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yTS0CC.A.V4.FAWL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 10:45 AM 12/5/00 -0800, Rob Weltman wrote: >Steve Sonntag wrote: >> I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & OutputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. Thedocument states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream() >>(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing >>a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a >>proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1) I don't ever see a case where one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection"in progress"? Is there an intent that the existing stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other functionality?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter the connect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an application using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that could cause great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the application contend forinput data. Rather they would only be used to create sub classesthat extend their functionality. Am I on the right track here? -Steve > > > The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where the result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case, both input and output streams are replaced. Wouldn't you also need to replace them upon StartTLS? Kurt From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 16:48:31 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA22820 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5LXus25847; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5LktE07992; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:46:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:46:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A2D61EA.3C0EA45C@worldspot.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:45:14 -0800 From: Rob Weltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" CC: Steve Sonntag , ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Java-api-12 - input/output stream References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001205133533.038be2b0@router.boolean.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uphNQD.A.E8B.MJWL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kurt D. Zeilenga" wrote: > > At 10:45 AM 12/5/00 -0800, Rob Weltman wrote: > >Steve Sonntag wrote: > >> I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & OutputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. Thedocument states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream() > >>(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing > >>a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a > >>proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1) I don't ever see a case where one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection"in progress"? Is there an intent that the existing stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other functionality?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter the connect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an application using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that could cause great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the application contend forinput data. Rather they would only be used to create sub classesthat extend their functionality. Am I on the right track here? -Steve > > > > > > The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where the result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case, both input and output streams are replaced. > > Wouldn't you also need to replace them upon StartTLS? > > Kurt Probably. But I haven't looked into the implementation of StartTLS yet. Rob From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 18:10:23 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA08750 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5Mtis10931; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5N8g221463; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:08:42 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:08:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:08:15 -0700 From: "Steve Sonntag" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Java-api-12 - input/output stream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_7F246575.7A1B6349" Resent-Message-ID: <"HVp_iC.A.9OF.5VXL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_7F246575.7A1B6349 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So shouldn't both the input stream and the output stream be set in one atomic operation so it is thread safe? -Steve >>> Rob Weltman 05-Dec-00 2:45:14 PM >>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" wrote: >=20 > At 10:45 AM 12/5/00 -0800, Rob Weltman wrote: > >Steve Sonntag wrote: > >> I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & = OutputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. Thedocumen= t states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream() > >>(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing > >>a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a > >>proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1) I don't ever see a case = where one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If = this is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them = individually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to = set these values on a connection"in progress"? Is there an intent that = the existing stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other = functionality?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter = the connect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever = see an application using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a = connection in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that = could cause great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and = the application contend forinput data. Rather they would only be used to = create sub classesthat extend their functionality. Am I on the right = track here? -Steve > > > > > > The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where = the result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case, = both input and output streams are replaced. >=20 > Wouldn't you also need to replace them upon StartTLS? >=20 > Kurt Probably. But I haven't looked into the implementation of StartTLS yet. Rob --=_7F246575.7A1B6349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So shouldn't both the input stream and the output = stream be=20 set
in one atomic operation so it is thread safe?
 
-Steve


>>> Rob Weltman <robw@worldspot.com> = 05-Dec-00=20 2:45:14 PM >>>
"Kurt D. Zeilenga" wrote:
>
> At = 10:45=20 AM 12/5/00 -0800, Rob Weltman wrote:
> >Steve Sonntag wrote:
&g= t;=20 >>  I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream= =20 & OutputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. = =20 Thedocument states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(),=20 setInputStream()
> >>(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are = used=20 when establishing
> >>a security layer with SASL, and may also = be=20 used to interpose a
> >>proxy. A few comments. and questions:= =20 1)   I don't ever see a case where one would set the input = stream=20 andnot also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method = shouldset=20 both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not thread safe. = 2)=20 Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection"in progress"?&n= bsp;=20 Is there an intent that the existing stream classes besubclassed to add=20 encryption or other functionality?Or does it only make sense to change = the=20 streams onlyafter the connect and before the bind or the first operation? = 3) I=20 don't ever see an application using the existing input/outputstreams = directly on=20 a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that = could=20 cause great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the=20 application contend forinput data.  Rather they would only be used = to=20 create sub classesthat extend their functionality.  Am I on the right = track=20 here? -Steve
> >
> >
> >  The only use = we've had=20 for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where the result of the operation = may be=20 a new security layer. In that case, both input and output streams are=20 replaced.
>
> Wouldn't you also need to replace them upon=20 StartTLS?
>
> Kurt

  Probably. But I haven't = looked=20 into the implementation of StartTLS yet.

Rob
= --=_7F246575.7A1B6349-- From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 5 18:18:15 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA10389 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5N3cs12203; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB5NGaM25796; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:16:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:16:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A2D7708.FC1F7AE9@worldspot.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:15:20 -0800 From: Rob Weltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Sonntag CC: Kurt@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Java-api-12 - input/output stream References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AD16682C8AA4B3E96A52F99F" Resent-Message-ID: <"ePLHz.A.ySG.TdXL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com --------------AD16682C8AA4B3E96A52F99F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems like an unnecessary restriction to me. It is very easy to do some= thing like synchronized( ldc ) { ldc.setInputStream( is ); ldc.setOutputStream( os ); } in a client that wants to set both of them. There may be a case where a= client does not want to set both at the same time, and we would be preve= nting that by combining the two. The two examples I've looked into (SASL and StartTLS) do not involve a = real client making those calls; they are made by middleware (SASL) code o= r by other parts of the LDAP class library itself (StartTLS). An implemen= tation of the class library may have a combined method as described for i= nternal operations or even for external clients if it sees a benefit to i= t. Rob Steve Sonntag wrote: > So shouldn't both the input stream and the output stream be setin one = atomic operation so it is thread safe? -Steve > > >>> Rob Weltman 05-Dec-00 2:45:14 PM >>> > "Kurt D. Zeilenga" wrote: > > > > At 10:45 AM 12/5/00 -0800, Rob Weltman wrote: > > >Steve Sonntag wrote: > > >> I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & Ou= tputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class. Thedocumen= t states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream() > > >>(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing > > >>a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a > > >>proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1) I don't ever see a case = where one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If= this is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them in= dividually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to s= et these values on a connection"in progress"? Is there an intent that th= e existing stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other functio= nality?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter the con= nect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an a= pplication using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a connectio= n in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that could cau= se great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the appl= ication contend forinput data. Rather they would only be used to create = sub classesthat extend their functionality. Am I on the right track here= ? -Steve > > > > > > > > > The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, whe= re the result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case,= both input and output streams are replaced. > > > > Wouldn't you also need to replace them upon StartTLS? > > > > Kurt > > Probably. But I haven't looked into the implementation of StartTLS ye= t. > > Rob --------------AD16682C8AA4B3E96A52F99F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Seems like an unnecessary restriction to me. It is very easy to do something like

synchronized( ldc ) {
    ldc.setInputStream( is );
    ldc.setOutputStream( os );
}

  in a client that wants to set both of them. There may be a case where a client does not want to set both at the same time, and we would be preventing that by combining the two.

  The two examples I've looked into (SASL and StartTLS) do not involve a real client making those calls; they are made by middleware (SASL) code or by other parts of the LDAP class library itself (StartTLS). An implementation of the class library may have a combined method as described for internal operations or even for external clients if it sees a benefit to it.

Rob
 

Steve Sonntag wrote:

 So shouldn't both the input stream and the output stream be setin one atomic operation so it is thread safe? -Steve 

>>> Rob Weltman <robw@worldspot.com> 05-Dec-00 2:45:14 PM >>>
"Kurt D. Zeilenga" wrote:
>
> At 10:45 AM 12/5/00 -0800, Rob Weltman wrote:
> >Steve Sonntag wrote:
> >>  I have been trying to figure out how the set/get inputStream & OutputStreammethods should be used in the LDAPConnection class.  Thedocument states: Added getInputStream()getOutputStream(), setInputStream()
> >>(4.6.36), and setOutputStream(). They are used when establishing
> >>a security layer with SASL, and may also be used to interpose a
> >>proxy. A few comments. and questions: 1)   I don't ever see a case where one would set the input stream andnot also set the outputstream. If this is true, then the method shouldset both of them, as setting them individually is inherently not thread safe. 2) Does it ever make sense to set these values on a connection"in progress"?  Is there an intent that the existing stream classes besubclassed to add encryption or other functionality?Or does it only make sense to change the streams onlyafter the connect and before the bind or the first operation? 3) I don't ever see an application using the existing input/outputstreams directly on a connection in progresss - i.e., trying to readon the input stream - that could cause great confusion in the APIas the reader thread in the api and the application contend forinput data.  Rather they would only be used to create sub classesthat extend their functionality.  Am I on the right track here? -Steve
> >
> >
> >  The only use we've had for the methods so far is on SASL bind, where the result of the operation may be a new security layer. In that case, both input and output streams are replaced.
>
> Wouldn't you also need to replace them upon StartTLS?
>
> Kurt

  Probably. But I haven't looked into the implementation of StartTLS yet.

Rob

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Bartz'" , "'IETF Policy WG LIST'" , Subject: RE: CIM24 schema tweaks Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:53:41 +1100 Message-ID: <000301c06009$acad61f0$b05508cb@osmium.adacel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <200012020059.AAO48966@mail.coreon.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"f9Ej1B.A.fC.wgxL6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan, > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-ldapbis@OpenLDAP.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-ldapbis@OpenLDAP.org]On Behalf Of rmoats@coreon.net > Sent: Saturday, 2 December 2000 12:13 > To: Larry S. Bartz > Cc: Quevedo, Felix; IETF Policy WG LIST; ietf-ldapbis@OpenLDAP.org; > ietf-ldapext@netscape.com > Subject: Re: CIM24 schema tweaks [snip] > >I've spotted another potential difficulty with the schema of > DSP0117. > > > >See this description: > > > >attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.1.2.1 > > NAME 'orderedCimKeys' > > SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.15 SINGLE-VALUE > > EQUALITY octetStringMatch > > ) > > > >The matching rule syntax does not match the attribute's > syntax. This > >must be corrected. > > Well, as an editor, I get to play the "no complaints without > making a suggestion" card. What do you suggest as the > equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and > LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is > caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with > declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds > UTF-8 strings. > > Actually, the more I think about this, I think this is a > bigger issue than just Policy, so I'm cross posting to > ldapext and the newly minted ldapbis to see what those > folks can add. It was attributes like orderedCimKeys that motivated me to write the component matching rules draft (draft-legg-ldapext-component-matching-00.txt). The content of the orderedCimKeys attribute is structured data with a well defined format, rather than free text, so a specific new attribute syntax is warranted. Stuffing highly structured data into attributes with the Directory String syntax means that the directory can do nothing more than treat values as opaque blobs of bytes. Almost inevitably the question of a suitable equality matching rule is raised because the existing string matching rules are not designed for matching structured data. The component matching rules are intended to provide convenient default equality matching rules for structured data, as well as a generic capability (that is more expressive than simple substring matching) to filter match component parts of the structured attribute values. The key to all this is a formal way to describe the structure of the data, which for the component matching rules is ASN.1 type notation. I note that the structure of an LDAP string encoded value of orderedCimKeys is described by: .=[,=]* Without looking into the details, I'm guessing that something like the following ASN.1 type would adequately describe the conceptual structure of the syntax. OrderedCIMKeys ::= SEQUENCE { className UTF8String, keys SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF { key UTF8String, value UTF8String } } This is enough to completely define the behaviour of the directoryComponentsMatch matching rule (a component by component equality match) on a value of orderedCimKeys. If the default matching of directoryComponentsMatch doesn't quite suit a particular application then there is an easy way of extending it to define, for example, a policyComponentsMatch matching rule that is more generally suitable for policy attribute syntaxes. The ASN.1 type definition for the syntax is also sufficient to completely define the behaviour of the componentFilterMatch matching rule. This matching rule would provide the ability to search for orderCimKeys values with particular class names, particular key types, or particular (key, value) pairs, etc, in whatever filter combinations a user might want. These matching capabilities are completely specified just by writing down an ASN.1 definition of a syntax. Having that definition also opens up the possibility of the directory doing other useful things with values. For example, in the not too distant future directory servers may be receiving and returning XML encoded versions of attribute values. If the attribute syntax is a bland directory string then the XML encoding of, say, a value of orderedCimKeys will look something like this: whatever.abc=vvvv,def=wwww whereas a knowledge of the structure of the data will allow the directory to produce XML encodings that are more meaningfully marked up (and more verbose of course) as in the following: whatever abc vvvv def wwww The component matching rules make it easy for applications to define powerful matching capabilities, but the directory servers have to implement those capabilities, so there is an initial implementation barrier on the directory server side. My hope is that directory server vendors will take advantage of the fact that the component matching framework lends itself to high levels of automation, whereby exotic new application syntaxes can be easily and quickly accommodated (through run-time interpretation or compiled plug-ins). 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Many people will get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. 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There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN. DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS. From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 7 01:36:20 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA13676 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB76QcT08759; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB76YiQ22164; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:34:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:34:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hoytkesterson@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:33:37 -0700 To: ietf-ldapbis@openldap.org, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com From: "Hoyt L. 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X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Request for comments: draft-joslin-config-schema-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1v8QjC.A.qdD.Xb2L6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This draft describes a schema for configuration of directory user agents that may be discovered using LDAP. Your review and comments are appreciated. Cheers, Morteza -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-joslin-config-schema-00.txt Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:57:03 -0500 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce: ; --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : A Configuration Schema for LDAP Based Directory User Agents et al. Author(s) : B. Joslin Filename : draft-joslin-config-schema-00.txt Pages : 23 Date : 27-Nov-00 This document describes a mechanism for global confi- guration of similar directory user agents. This docu- ment proposes a schema for configuration of these DUAs that may be discovered using the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol [RFC2251]. A set of attribute types and an objectclass are proposed, along with specific guide- lines for interpreting them. A significant feature of the global configuration policy for DUAs, is a mechan- ism that allows DUAs to re-configure their schema to that of the end user's environment. This configuration is achieved through attribute and objectclass mapping. This document is intended to be a skeleton for future documents that describe configuration of specific DUA services. 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Ryan -----Original Message----- Ryan, > -----Original Message----- [snip] > >I've spotted another potential difficulty with the schema of > DSP0117. > > > >See this description: > > > >attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.1.2.1 > > NAME 'orderedCimKeys' > > SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.15 SINGLE-VALUE > > EQUALITY octetStringMatch > > ) > > > >The matching rule syntax does not match the attribute's > syntax. This > >must be corrected. > > Well, as an editor, I get to play the "no complaints without > making a suggestion" card. What do you suggest as the > equality match? Based on my reading of the X.500-series and > LDAP RFCs the only option for Directory Strings is > caseIgnoreMatch, and I'm not at all comfortable with > declaring that as the matching rule for a syntax that holds > UTF-8 strings. > > Actually, the more I think about this, I think this is a > bigger issue than just Policy, so I'm cross posting to > ldapext and the newly minted ldapbis to see what those > folks can add. It was attributes like orderedCimKeys that motivated me to write the component matching rules draft (draft-legg-ldapext-component-matching-00.txt). The content of the orderedCimKeys attribute is structured data with a well defined format, rather than free text, so a specific new attribute syntax is warranted. Stuffing highly structured data into attributes with the Directory String syntax means that the directory can do nothing more than treat values as opaque blobs of bytes. Almost inevitably the question of a suitable equality matching rule is raised because the existing string matching rules are not designed for matching structured data. The component matching rules are intended to provide convenient default equality matching rules for structured data, as well as a generic capability (that is more expressive than simple substring matching) to filter match component parts of the structured attribute values. The key to all this is a formal way to describe the structure of the data, which for the component matching rules is ASN.1 type notation. I note that the structure of an LDAP string encoded value of orderedCimKeys is described by: .=[,=]* Without looking into the details, I'm guessing that something like the following ASN.1 type would adequately describe the conceptual structure of the syntax. OrderedCIMKeys ::= SEQUENCE { className UTF8String, keys SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF { key UTF8String, value UTF8String } } This is enough to completely define the behaviour of the directoryComponentsMatch matching rule (a component by component equality match) on a value of orderedCimKeys. If the default matching of directoryComponentsMatch doesn't quite suit a particular application then there is an easy way of extending it to define, for example, a policyComponentsMatch matching rule that is more generally suitable for policy attribute syntaxes. The ASN.1 type definition for the syntax is also sufficient to completely define the behaviour of the componentFilterMatch matching rule. This matching rule would provide the ability to search for orderCimKeys values with particular class names, particular key types, or particular (key, value) pairs, etc, in whatever filter combinations a user might want. These matching capabilities are completely specified just by writing down an ASN.1 definition of a syntax. Having that definition also opens up the possibility of the directory doing other useful things with values. For example, in the not too distant future directory servers may be receiving and returning XML encoded versions of attribute values. If the attribute syntax is a bland directory string then the XML encoding of, say, a value of orderedCimKeys will look something like this: whatever.abc=vvvv,def=wwww whereas a knowledge of the structure of the data will allow the directory to produce XML encodings that are more meaningfully marked up (and more verbose of course) as in the following: whatever abc vvvv def wwww The component matching rules make it easy for applications to define powerful matching capabilities, but the directory servers have to implement those capabilities, so there is an initial implementation barrier on the directory server side. My hope is that directory server vendors will take advantage of the fact that the component matching framework lends itself to high levels of automation, whereby exotic new application syntaxes can be easily and quickly accommodated (through run-time interpretation or compiled plug-ins). 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From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 8 18:02:10 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA23501 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB8MkDs12747; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eB8MxI611072; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:59:18 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:59:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20001208145539.00a83d80@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:58:13 -0800 To: Mark.Wahl@sun.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: Re: IETF LDAPEXT Draft Agenda Cc: Mark.Wahl@sun.com, roland@catalogix.se, agenda@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3A2BF01C.B7B31A85@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jXTw0D.A.hsC.FfWM6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 11:27 AM 12/4/2000 -0800, Mark Wahl wrote: >Here is the draft agenda for the LDAPEXT meeting. > > >15. 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From list@netscape.com Mon Dec 11 12:59:10 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA11577 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBHgUs24897; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBBHtdY16774; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:55:39 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:55:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:54:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200012111754.MAA09055@qsun.mt.att.com> From: rvh@qsun.mt.att.com (Richard V Huber) To: eer@OnCallDBA.COM Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ldup-subentry-06.txt Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ietf-ldup@imc.org Resent-Message-ID: <"1nlWy.A.0FE.aURN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com A question. Why are subentries "MAY be used"? If our goal is interoperability, shouldn't they be "MUST be used"? (This should lead to some discussion tomorrow :-) If the intent is to define subentries and leave the question of where they are used to other documents, why include the "MAY" at all in Section 2? Rick Huber From list@netscape.com Mon Dec 11 13:14:49 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA14939 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBI4i310951; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBBICt225821; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:12:55 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: perq.cac.washington.edu: rlmorgan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" X-Sender: Reply-To: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" To: IETF ldapext WG Subject: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O6syUB.A.LTG.nkRN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-04.txt specifies how to use DNS SRV records to find an LDAP DS given a DN that has DC components. This has been mostly uncontroversial except for some procedural things (whether to include CLDAP, etc). It has gone thru WG last call but not yet thru IETF last call (still waiting on a couple of nits). However, I'd like to raise a fundamental question about how this scheme works, since it was recently raised to me while discussing this doc with an IESG member, who said he didn't like it the way it is and guaranteed to raise the issue during IETF last call. Section 3 of the draft defines an algorithm for mapping DNs into domain names, for purposes of using those domain names for SRV record lookups. This algorithm says that only DNs whose most significant components are DC= can be mapped, that is, cn=John Doe,ou=accounting,dc=example,dc=net maps to example.net but cn=John Doe,ou=accounting,dc=example,dc=net,o=Example Corp,c=us does not map to any domain name; therefore no use of SRV records to find an LDAP DS is defined for such a DN. The question on the table is: why does the proposed mapping exclude DNs of the second form above? The mapping algorithm might say: march thru the DN from most significant to least significant, gathering DC components as you go, ignoring non-DC components; when you reach the end if you have a non-empty DNS name use it as input to the SRV record lookup. This amounts to jamming server-location info somewhere in the middle of an existing naming scheme. This looser mapping might be attractive to folks who already have deployed directories with non-DC names, or have applications that rely on traditional X.521-style civil naming (X.509 PKIs being the main case, of course), who could add DC components to some lower levels of their naming hierarchy rather than having to change from the top. Ultimately this raises the deep issue of what kind of interoperability is possible and desirable between traditional and DC-style naming. While this is interesting and important, I really don't want to wait until it's resolved in order to progress this document. Given that the looser mapping seems trivial for the client to implement, I think the burden of proof is on those who advocate the current mapping as to why its restrictiveness is important. While I personally think DNs with DCs embedded in them any old place are ugly and I wouldn't design a naming hierarchy that way, I don't see any fundamental technical problems that should make them illegal (ie, excluded from the SRV-based location mechanism). Maybe others do. - RL "Bob" From list@netscape.com Mon Dec 11 18:34:25 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA02859 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBBNJRs11018; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBBNWbE28587; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:32:37 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:32:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001211153141.00a3b020@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:34:31 -0800 To: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" , IETF ldapext WG From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: Re: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"S_wkSB.A.Z-G.UQWN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com I asked this same question during the whole DC-naming discussion. The answer that I got was that this was just one way of transforming a DN into a DNS host. It is OK to write a draft that specifies another way of transforming a DN that doesn't conform to DC-naming. So, you (or someone) could certainly write a draft that explains how to transform the DNs of interest into DNS host names... Bruce At 10:12 AM 12/11/00 -0800, RL 'Bob' Morgan wrote: >draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-04.txt specifies how to use DNS SRV records to >find an LDAP DS given a DN that has DC components. This has been mostly >uncontroversial except for some procedural things (whether to include >CLDAP, etc). It has gone thru WG last call but not yet thru IETF last >call (still waiting on a couple of nits). However, I'd like to raise a >fundamental question about how this scheme works, since it was recently >raised to me while discussing this doc with an IESG member, who said he >didn't like it the way it is and guaranteed to raise the issue during IETF >last call. > >Section 3 of the draft defines an algorithm for mapping DNs into domain >names, for purposes of using those domain names for SRV record lookups. >This algorithm says that only DNs whose most significant components are >DC= can be mapped, that is, > > cn=John Doe,ou=accounting,dc=example,dc=net > >maps to > > example.net > >but > > cn=John Doe,ou=accounting,dc=example,dc=net,o=Example Corp,c=us > >does not map to any domain name; therefore no use of SRV records to find >an LDAP DS is defined for such a DN. > >The question on the table is: why does the proposed mapping exclude DNs >of the second form above? The mapping algorithm might say: march thru the >DN from most significant to least significant, gathering DC components as >you go, ignoring non-DC components; when you reach the end if you have a >non-empty DNS name use it as input to the SRV record lookup. This amounts >to jamming server-location info somewhere in the middle of an existing >naming scheme. This looser mapping might be attractive to folks who >already have deployed directories with non-DC names, or have applications >that rely on traditional X.521-style civil naming (X.509 PKIs being the >main case, of course), who could add DC components to some lower levels of >their naming hierarchy rather than having to change from the top. > >Ultimately this raises the deep issue of what kind of interoperability is >possible and desirable between traditional and DC-style naming. While >this is interesting and important, I really don't want to wait until it's >resolved in order to progress this document. Given that the looser >mapping seems trivial for the client to implement, I think the burden of >proof is on those who advocate the current mapping as to why its >restrictiveness is important. While I personally think DNs with DCs >embedded in them any old place are ugly and I wouldn't design a naming >hierarchy that way, I don't see any fundamental technical problems that >should make them illegal (ie, excluded from the SRV-based location >mechanism). Maybe others do. > > - RL "Bob" From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 12 02:31:52 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA29704 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBC7Gss08243; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBC7U5U02827; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:30:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:30:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20001211155248.00a61220@popmail2.austin.ibm.com> X-Sender: stokes@popmail2.austin.ibm.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:55:45 -0600 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com From: Ellen Stokes Subject: ldap ACI charts for draft version 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_48036452==_" Resent-Message-ID: <"SAN1nC.A.5r.8PdN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com --=====================_48036452==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Folks, Here's the charts (pdf and ppt formats) that list the changes made to draft version 6 and the list of work items with (1) resolution where done, or (2) thoughts in progress for unresolved items. Intent is to update by end of January with last call in March. 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12 Dec 2000 13:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCI80313718; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBCIGCU15954; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:16:12 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:16:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001212095531.00b02610@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:15:32 -0800 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: subentry visibility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-77vZD.A.A5D.rtmN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At the LDAPext there was a brief discussion regarding subentry visibility and the affect of a subentry visibility control. I made the following suggestion as to the visibility of subentries: In absence of the subentry visibility control, subentries are not visible UNLESS the target/base of the operation is a subentry. In presence of the subentry visibility control, ONLY subentries are visible when TRUE and ONLY entries are visible when FALSE. That is, in presence of the visibility control, the semantics are in accordance with the X.500 common argument subentry visibility control. Kurt From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 12 13:40:19 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA16780 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBCIPEs17669; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBCIcPM28897; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:38:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:38:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:37:30 -0700 From: "Ed Reed" To: Cc: , Subject: draft-ietf-ldup-subentry-06.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_7F247E6B.60016DC9" Resent-Message-ID: <"u5_9g.A.PDH.fCnN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com --=_7F247E6B.60016DC9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please publish the attached revised internet draft - draft-ietf-ldup-subent= ry-06.txt Abstract: This document describes two object classes called=20 ldapSubEntry and inheritableLDAPSubEntry which MAY be used=20 to indicate operations and management related entries in=20 the directory, called LDAP Subentries. To control the=20 visibility of entries of type ldapSubEntry, a control,=20 ldapSubentriesControl, is defined, and a special case using=20 Search filters is described. 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ABSTRACT This document describes a control for the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol v3 that is used to return a subset of attribute values from an entry, specifically, only those values that match a "values return" filter. Without support for this control, a client must retrieve all of an attribute's values and search for specific values locally. 1. Introduction When reading an attribute from an entry using LDAPv3 [2], it is normally only possible to read either the attribute type, or the attribute type and all its values. It is not possible to selectively read just a few of the attribute values. If an attribute holds many values, for example, the userCertificate attribute, or the subschema publishing operational attributes objectClasses and attributeTypes [3], then it may be desirable for the user to be able to selectively retrieve a subset of the values, specifically, those attribute values that match some user defined selection criteria. Without the control specified in this [ID/standard/document] a client must read all of the attribute's values and filter out the unwanted values, necessitating the client to implement the matching rules. It also requires the client to potentially read and process many irrelevant values, which can be inefficient if the values are large or complex, or there are many values stored per attribute. This [ID/Standard/document] specifies an LDAPv3 control to enable a user to return only those values that matched (i.e. returned TRUE to) one or more elements of a newly defined "values return" filter. This control can be especially useful when used in conjunction with extensible matching rules that match on one or more components of complex binary attribute values. The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [5]. 2. The valuesReturnFilter Control The valuesReturnFilter control MAY be critical or non-critical as determined by the user. It only has meaning for the Search operation, and SHOULD only be added to the Search operation by the client. If the server supports the control and it is present on a Search operation, the server MUST obey the control regardless of the value of the criticality flag. If the control is marked as critical, and either the server does not support the control or the control is applied to an operation other than Search, then the server MUST return an unavailableCriticalExtension error. If the control is not marked as critical, and either the server does not support the control or the control is applied to an operation other than Search, then the server MUST ignore the control. The object identifier for this control is 1.2.826.0.1.3344810.2.3 The controlValue is an OCTET STRING, whose value is the BER encoding of a value of the type ValuesReturnFilter. ValuesReturnFilter ::= SEQUENCE OF SimpleFilterItem SimpleFilterItem ::= CHOICE { equalityMatch [3] AttributeValueAssertion, substrings [4] SubstringFilter, greaterOrEqual [5] AttributeValueAssertion, lessOrEqual [6] AttributeValueAssertion, present [7] AttributeDescription, approxMatch [8] AttributeValueAssertion, extensibleMatch [9] SimpleMatchingAssertion } SimpleMatchingAssertion ::= SEQUENCE { matchingRule [1] MatchingRuleId OPTIONAL, type [2] AttributeDescription OPTIONAL, --- at least one of the above must be present matchValue [3] AssertionValue} All the above data types have their standard meanings as defined in [2]. If the server supports this control, the server MUST make use of the control as follows: (1) The Search Filter is first executed in order to determine which entries satisfy the Search criteria (these are the filtered entries). The control has no impact on this step. (2) If the typesOnly parameter of the Search Request is TRUE, the control has no effect and the Search Request SHOULD be processed as if the control had not been specified. (3) If the attributes parameter of the Search Request consists of a list containing only the attribute with OID "1.1" (specifying that no attributes are to be returned), the control has no effect and the Search Request SHOULD be processed as if the control had not been specified. (4) For each attribute listed in the attributes parameter of the Search Request, the server MUST apply the control as follows to each entry in the set of filtered entries: i) Every attribute value that evaluates TRUE against one or more elements of the ValuesReturnFilter is placed in the corresponding SearchResultEntry. ii) Every attribute value that evaluates FALSE or undefined against all elements of the ValuesReturnFilter is not placed in the corresponding SearchResultEntry. An attribute that has no values selected is returned with an empty set of vals. Note. If the AttributeDescriptionList is empty or comprises "*" then the control MUST be applied against every attribute. 3. Relationship to X.500 The control is a superset of the matchedValuesOnly (MVO) boolean of the X.500 DAP [4] Search argument, as amended in the latest version [6]. Close examination of the matchedValuesOnly boolean by the LDAPEXT group revealed ambiguities and complexities in the MVO boolean that could not easily be resolved. For example, it was not clear if the MVO boolean governed only those attribute values that contributed to the overall truth of the filter, or all of the attribute values even if the filter item containing the attribute evaluated to false. For this reason the LDAPEXT group decided to replace the MVO boolean with a simple filter that removes any uncertainty as to whether an attribute value has been selected or not. 4. Relationship to other LDAP Controls The purpose of this control is to select zero, one or more attribute values from each requested attribute in a filtered entry, and to discard the remainder. Once the attribute values have been discarded by this control they MUST NOT be re-instated into the Search results by other controls. This control acts independently of other LDAP controls such as server side sorting [10] and duplicate entries [7]. However, there might be interactions between this control and other controls so that a different set of Search Result Entries are returned, or the entries are returned in a different order, depending upon the sequencing of this control and other controls in the LDAP request. For example, with server side sorting, if sorting is done first, and value return filtering second, the set of Search Results may appear to be in the wrong order since the value filtering may remove the attribute values upon which the ordering was done. (The sorting document specifies that entries without any sort key attribute values should be treated as coming after all other attribute values.) Similarly with duplicate entries, if duplication is performed before value filtering, the set of Search Result Entries may contain identical duplicate entries, each with an empty set of attribute values, because the value filtering removed the attribute values that were used to duplicate the results. For these reasons it is recommended that the ValuesReturnFilter control in a SearchRequest SHOULD precede other controls that affect the number and ordering of SearchResultEntrys. 5. Examples All entries are provided in LDIF format [8]. The string representation of the valuesReturnFilter in the examples below uses the following ABNF notation: valuesReturnFilter = "(" 1*simpleFilterItem ")" simpleFilterItem = "(" item ")" where item is as defined by RFC2254 [11]. (1) The first example shows how the control can be set to return all attribute values from one attribute type (e.g. telephoneNumber) and a subset of values from another attribute type (e.g. mail). The entries below represent organizationalPerson object classes located somewhere beneath the distinguished name dc=ac, dc=uk. dn: cn=Sean Mullan, ou=people, dc=sun, dc=ac, dc=uk cn: Sean Mullan sn: Mullan objectClass: organizationalPerson objectClass: person objectClass: inetOrgPerson mail: sean.mullan@hotmail.com mail: mullan@east.sun.com telephoneNumber: + 781 442 0926 telephoneNumber: 555-9999 dn: cn=David Chadwick, ou=isi, o=salford, dc=ac, dc=uk cn: David Chadwick sn: Chadwick objectClass: organizationalPerson objectClass: person objectClass: inetOrgPerson mail: d.w.chadwick@salford.ac.uk An LDAP search operation is specified with a baseObject set to the DN of the search base (i.e. dc=ac, dc=uk), a subtree scope, a filter set to (sn=mullan), and the list of attributes to be returned set to "mail, telephoneNumber". In addition, a ValuesReturnFilter control is set to ((mail=*hotmail.com)(telephoneNumber=*)) The search results returned by the server would consist of the following entry: dn: cn=Sean Mullan, ou=people, dc=sun, dc=ac, dc=uk mail: sean.mullan@hotmail.com telephoneNumber: + 781 442 0926 telephoneNumber: 555-9999 Note that the control has no effect on the values returned for the "telephoneNumber" attribute (all of the values are returned), since the control specified that all values should be returned. (2) The second example shows how one might retrieve a single attribute type subschema definition for the "gunk" attribute with OID 1.2.3.4.5 from the subschema subentry Assume the subschema subentry is held below the root entry with DN cn=subschema subentry, o=myorg and this holds an attributeTypes operational attribute holding the descriptions of the 35 attributes known to this server (each description is held as a single attribute value of the attributeTypes attribute). dn: cn=subschema subentry, o=myorg cn: subschema subentry objectClass: subschema attributeTypes: ( 2.5.4.3 NAME 'cn' SUP name ) attributeTypes: ( 2.5.4.6 NAME 'c' SUP name SINGLE-VALUE ) attributeTypes: ( 2.5.4.0 NAME 'objectClass' EQUALITY objectIdentifierMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.38 ) attributeTypes: ( 2.5.18.2 NAME 'modifyTimestamp' EQUALITY generalizedTimeMatch ORDERING generalizedTimeOrderingMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.24 SINGLE-VALUE NO-USER- MODIFICATION USAGE directoryOperation ) attributeTypes: ( 2.5.21.6 NAME 'objectClasses' EQUALITY objectIdentifierFirstComponentMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.37 USAGE directoryOperation ) attributeTypes: ( 1.2.3.4.5 NAME 'gunk' EQUALITY caseIgnoreMatch SUBSTR caseIgnoreSubstringsMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.44{64} ) attributeTypes: ( 2.5.21.5 NAME 'attributeTypes' EQUALITY objectIdentifierFirstComponentMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.3 USAGE directoryOperation ) plus another 28 - you get the idea. The user creates an LDAP search operation with a baseObject set to cn=subschema subentry, o=myorg, a scope of base, a filter set to (objectClass=subschema), the list of attributes to be returned set to "attributeTypes", and the ValuesReturnFilter set to ((attributeTypes=1.2.3.4.5)) The search result returned by the server would consist of the following entry: dn: cn=subschema subentry, o=myorg attributeTypes: ( 1.2.3.4.5 NAME 'gunk' EQUALITY caseIgnoreMatch SUBSTR caseIgnoreSubstringsMatch SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.44{64} ) (3) The final example shows how the control can be used to match on a userCertificate attribute value with a particular key usage bit set (in this case the key encipherment bit). Note that this example requires the LDAP server to support the certificateMatch matching rule defined in [9] and extensible matching. The entry below represent a pkiUser object class stored in the directory. dn: cn=David Chadwick + serialNumber=123456, ou=people, o=University of Salford, c=gb cn: David Chadwick + serialNumber=123456 objectClass: person objectClass: organizationalPerson objectClass: pkiUser objectClass: inetOrgPerson sn: Chadwick mail: d.w.chadwick@salford.ac.uk userCertificate: {binary representation of certificate including key usage bit of digitalSignature (0)} userCertificate: {binary representation of certificate including key usage bit of nonRepudiation (1)} userCertificate: {binary representation of certificate including key usage bit of key encipherment (2)} userCertificate: {binary representation of certificate including key usage bit of data encipherment (3)} An LDAP search operation is specified with a baseObject set to o=University of Salford, c=gb, a subtree scope, a filter set to (sn=chadwick) and the list of attributes to be returned set to "userCertificate;binary". In addition, a ValuesReturnFilter control is set to ((userCertificate:2.5.13.35:=(USE'001'B))) The search result returned by the server would consist of the following entry: dn: cn=David Chadwick + serialNumber=123456, ou=people, o=University of Salford, c=gb userCertificate;binary: {binary representation of certificate with key usage bit of key encipherment (2)} 6. Security Considerations This [ID/standard/document] does not primarily discuss security issues. Note however that attribute values MUST only be returned if the access controls applied by the LDAP server allow them to be returned, and in this respect the effect of the ValuesReturnFilter control is of no consequence. Note that the ValuesReturnFilter control may have a positive effect on the deployment of public key infrastructures. Certain PKI operations, like searching for specific certificates, become more practical when combined with X.509 certificate matching rules at the server, and more scalable, since the control avoids the downloading of potentially large numbers of irrelevant certificates which would have to be processed and filtered locally (which in some cases is very difficult to perform). 7. Acknowledgements The authors would like to thank members of the LDAPExt list for their constructive comments on earlier versions of this [ID/standard/document], and in particular to Harald Alvestrand who first suggested having an attribute return filter and Bruce Greenblatt who first proposed a syntax for this control. 8. Copyright Copyright (C) The Internet Society (date). All Rights Reserved. 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This document and the information contained herein is provided on an "AS IS" basis and THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 9. References [1] S. Bradner. "The Internet Standards Process -- Revision 3", RFC 2026, October 1996. [2] M. Wahl, T. Howes, S. Kille, "Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3)", Dec. 1997, RFC 2251 [3] M. Wahl, A. Coulbeck, T. Howes, S. Kille, "Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (v3): Attribute Syntax Definitions", RFC 2252, Dec 1997 [4] ITU-T Rec. X.511, "The Directory: Abstract Service Definition", 1993. [5] S.Bradner. "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", RFC 2119, March 1997. [6] Draft ISO/IEC 9594 / ITU-T Rec X.511 (2001) The Directory: Abstract Service Definition. [7] J. Sermersheim. "LDAP Control for a Duplicate Entry Representation of Search Results", Internet Draft , October 2000. [8] G. Good. "The LDAP Data Interchange Format (LDIF) - Technical Specification". RFC 2849, June 2000. [9] D. Chadwick, S.Legg. "Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure - Additional LDAP Schema for PKIs and PMIs", Internet Draft , September 2000 [10] T. Howes, M. Wahl, A. Anantha, "LDAP Control Extension for Server Side Sorting of Search Results", RFC 2891, August 2000 [11] T. Howes. "The String Representation of LDAP Search Filters". RFC 2254, December 1997. 10. Authors Addresses David Chadwick IS Institute University of Salford Salford M5 4WT England Email: d.w.chadwick@salford.ac.uk Tel: +44 161 295 5351 Sean Mullan Sun Microsystems East Point Business Park Dublin 3 Ireland Tel: +353 1 853 0655 Email: sean.mullan@sun.com 11. 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From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 12 19:44:55 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA16855 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBD0Svs20267; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBD0g9Y08801; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:42:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:42:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:23:36 -0700 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: Subject: Java API: LDAPMessage accessor for LDAPException Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id eBD0g8v08777 Resent-Message-ID: <"P_dM8D.A.PJC.gXsN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've heard a couple people ask how to solve this problem with synchronous calls: Client sends an extended operation to server. Server returns with extended response but an error condition is present. An LDAPException is thrown and caught by the application, but there is no way to read the extended response. Can we add a new method to LDAPException -- public LDAPMessage getLDAPMessage()? It would return null if no LDAPMessage is associated with the response. To date I've told people to use the async methods, but I'd rather the problem just be fixed. 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[urdnk] Resent-Message-ID: <"090zZB.A.WIG.41vN6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com AMERICANS: BreakFree from Government Control/Interference! ====================================================== The GOVERNMENT thinks it OWNS you! It thinks YOU are its PROPERTY! You can BREAK their grip on you, and TAKE CONTROL of yourself and your property (including earnings) -- so they can NEVER confiscate ANY of it, ever again! You can learn how to: * FORCE the IRS to pay any tax liabilities FOR you! * HALT Mortgage Foreclosures! * STOP Credit Card liens! * KILL Lawsuits! * TAKE CONTROL of any trial and force the Judge to give YOU the Order of the Court. * and, much, much more! Take CHARGE and turn EVERYTHING they use to come against you -- AROUND -- and make it work against THEM! Learn how to take control and power over your life (and those who would come in opposition against you) in ways that you've never even dreamed about. To learn more, put "BreakFree" in the Subject. mailto:ben2u@n2mail.com?subject=BreakFree Have a Great Day! PS: To be removed from the list, just type "Remove" in the subject and send. From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 13 09:12:43 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA16153 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDDvos21517; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBDEB3E01757; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:11:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:11:03 -0800 (PST) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: subentry visibility To: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Timothy Hahn" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:36:29 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01MLC96/01/M/IBM(Build V506_11152000.dev01 |November 27, 2000) at 12/13/2000 09:10:58 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"-V6ppD.A.Lb.2N4N6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Kurt, FWIW, I agree with this approach. Regards, Tim Hahn Internet: hahnt@us.ibm.com Internal: Timothy Hahn/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS or IBMUSM00(HAHNT) phone: 607.752.6388 tie-line: 8/852.6388 fax: 607.752.3681 "Kurt D. Zeilenga" on 12/12/2000 01:15:32 PM To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com cc: Subject: subentry visibility At the LDAPext there was a brief discussion regarding subentry visibility and the affect of a subentry visibility control. I made the following suggestion as to the visibility of subentries: In absence of the subentry visibility control, subentries are not visible UNLESS the target/base of the operation is a subentry. In presence of the subentry visibility control, ONLY subentries are visible when TRUE and ONLY entries are visible when FALSE. That is, in presence of the visibility control, the semantics are in accordance with the X.500 common argument subentry visibility control. Kurt From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 13 15:01:26 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA11783 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDJpB314293; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBDJxP218049; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:59:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:59:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A37D599.464D7428@salford.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:01:29 +0000 From: David Chadwick Organization: University of Salford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" CC: IETF ldapext WG Subject: Re: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms4BFFA83461D6570186B96645" Resent-Message-ID: <"KR5FN.A.vZE.bU9N6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms4BFFA83461D6570186B96645 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A5572CCDE1E7E7825C297BD9" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A5572CCDE1E7E7825C297BD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob If the question is "given the domain name for an organisation, I need to find its LDAP server" then I think the draft as it stands is just fine. An organisation using X.521 naming e.g. o=university of salford, c=gb, can still use the ID as it stands by creating a DC based alias entry for its organisation in its LDAP directory e.g. dc=salford, dc=ac, dc=uk and pointing this to its X.521 based organisation entry. The client can then use SRV records to find the TCP/IP address of the LDAP server and send a search request looking for david chadwick in the dc based organisation. The server will simply dereference the alias, map the dc organisation alias into the X.521 organisation and continue the search from there. Therefore I dont think the ID needs to be altered to accommodate X.521 based LDAP servers. They simply need to add an alias for their domain name into their LDAP server. David (note. if my original question is not the one that the X.521 guys are wanting to answer, then if they tell me what it is, I will see if that is answerable with a different solution) RL 'Bob' Morgan wrote: > > draft-ietf-ldapext-locate-04.txt specifies how to use DNS SRV records to > find an LDAP DS given a DN that has DC components. This has been mostly > uncontroversial except for some procedural things (whether to include > CLDAP, etc). It has gone thru WG last call but not yet thru IETF last > call (still waiting on a couple of nits). However, I'd like to raise a > fundamental question about how this scheme works, since it was recently > raised to me while discussing this doc with an IESG member, who said he > didn't like it the way it is and guaranteed to raise the issue during IETF > last call. > > Section 3 of the draft defines an algorithm for mapping DNs into domain > names, for purposes of using those domain names for SRV record lookups. > This algorithm says that only DNs whose most significant components are > DC= can be mapped, that is, > > cn=John Doe,ou=accounting,dc=example,dc=net > > maps to > > example.net > > but > > cn=John Doe,ou=accounting,dc=example,dc=net,o=Example Corp,c=us > > does not map to any domain name; therefore no use of SRV records to find > an LDAP DS is defined for such a DN. > > The question on the table is: why does the proposed mapping exclude DNs > of the second form above? The mapping algorithm might say: march thru the > DN from most significant to least significant, gathering DC components as > you go, ignoring non-DC components; when you reach the end if you have a > non-empty DNS name use it as input to the SRV record lookup. This amounts > to jamming server-location info somewhere in the middle of an existing > naming scheme. This looser mapping might be attractive to folks who > already have deployed directories with non-DC names, or have applications > that rely on traditional X.521-style civil naming (X.509 PKIs being the > main case, of course), who could add DC components to some lower levels of > their naming hierarchy rather than having to change from the top. > > Ultimately this raises the deep issue of what kind of interoperability is > possible and desirable between traditional and DC-style naming. While > this is interesting and important, I really don't want to wait until it's > resolved in order to progress this document. Given that the looser > mapping seems trivial for the client to implement, I think the burden of > proof is on those who advocate the current mapping as to why its > restrictiveness is important. While I personally think DNs with DCs > embedded in them any old place are ugly and I wouldn't design a naming > hierarchy that way, I don't see any fundamental technical problems that > should make them illegal (ie, excluded from the SRV-based location > mechanism). 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It is OK to write a draft that specifies another > way of transforming a DN that doesn't conform to DC-naming. So, you > (or someone) could certainly write a draft that explains how to > transform the DNs of interest into DNS host names... Yes, I think this was the consensus at the WG session. The response of the IESG member I spoke with is that this is an acceptable point of view for an Informational document, but not for a Standards track document. - RL "Bob" From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 13 17:44:24 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA05244 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBDMYW300969; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBDMgk203383; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: perq.cac.washington.edu: rlmorgan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:42:22 -0800 (PST) From: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" X-Sender: Reply-To: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" To: IETF ldapext WG Subject: Re: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping In-Reply-To: <3A37D599.464D7428@salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xBLnO.A.j0.kt_N6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, David Chadwick wrote: > If the question is "given the domain name for an organisation, I need > to find its LDAP server" This is not the problem the ldapext-locate document is trying to solve. Rather, it is solving the problem: given a DN, how do I find (via the DNS) an LDAP server that contains the entry with that DN. It chooses to solve that problem only for the class of DNs whose most significant RDNs are of type DC. > (note. if my original question is not the one that the X.521 guys are > wanting to answer, then if they tell me what it is, I will see if that > is answerable with a different solution) Upon further discussion, the situation is stated like this. Some organizations have large deployments using traditional X.500 civil naming (o=Example Corp, c=nu). They also have issued X.509 certificates using those names. They are as aware as anyone of the absence of a worldwide X.500 directory, and would like to take advantage of clients that can use SRV records to locate LDAP servers given a DN (eg, the DN of a cert issuer). Adding directory contexts with DCs in them in lower levels of their existing hierarchy they see as much easier and less disruptive than establishing an entirely new naming hierarchy (while acknowledging that DNs have to change in either case). And based on this they ask what the technical justification is for using the mapping specified in ldapext-locate versus a looser mapping that would let them (as they see it) transition more easily. If the justification is "purity", or attitudes of how naming hierarchies should be designed in practice, then the assertion is that design of naming hierarchies should be left to deployers. > then I think the draft as it stands is just fine. An organisation using > X.521 naming e.g. o=university of salford, c=gb, can still use the ID as > it stands by creating a DC based alias entry for its organisation in its > LDAP directory e.g. dc=salford, dc=ac, dc=uk and pointing this to its > X.521 based organisation entry. The client can then use SRV records to > find the TCP/IP address of the LDAP server and send a search request > looking for david chadwick in the dc based organisation. The server will > simply dereference the alias, map the dc organisation alias into the > X.521 organisation and continue the search from there. Hmm. Do existing LDAP servers uniformly support this? 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From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 14 11:23:11 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA23442 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEGBO329528; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBEGJfQ14218; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:19:41 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:19:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A38F34F.7BA10058@salford.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:20:31 +0000 From: David Chadwick Organization: University of Salford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" CC: IETF ldapext WG Subject: Re: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms86EFDA391A3E84533B261DEB" Resent-Message-ID: <"rEREDD.A.4dD.cMPO6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms86EFDA391A3E84533B261DEB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8D12176F731935CAAAE6A0A1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8D12176F731935CAAAE6A0A1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RL 'Bob' Morgan wrote: > > Upon further discussion, the situation is stated like this. Some > organizations have large deployments using traditional X.500 civil naming > (o=Example Corp, c=nu). They also have issued X.509 certificates using > those names. They are as aware as anyone of the absence of a worldwide > X.500 directory, and would like to take advantage of clients that can use > SRV records to locate LDAP servers given a DN (eg, the DN of a cert > issuer). Adding directory contexts with DCs in them in lower levels of > their existing hierarchy they see as much easier and less disruptive than > establishing an entirely new naming hierarchy (while acknowledging that > DNs have to change in either case). Now I dont see how this will work. If the CA already has an X.521 name form with lots (thousands possibly) of issued certificates, how will it help those thousands of certificates to create a new name with DCs at the bottom of it. The certificates have not changed, so wont know about this new DC extended name. You obviously are not suggesting re-issuing the certificates, otherwise a simple transition to pure DC based naming could be done at the same time. So could you please explain how this DC extended name is going to help? If I were to solve this problem I would create a CA name based on DC naming and put this in all new certificates, still using X521 naming for everything else. Then the certificate user can look up the LDAP server of the CA, using the mechanism proposed in the current ID. Eventually everyone would migrate to this new scheme. But it would not solve the problem for existing users. Were you aware that an ID was presented to the PKIX group in Pittsburg (authors were Sharon Boeyen of Entrust and someone else I believe) who were also trying to solve this problem. There solution if I remember correctly (unfortunately I cannot find a copy of their ID) was to use the email address of the user, which is often stored in the certificate, to find the LDAP server via SRV records. Since the Email address is already a DNS name, no DC mapping is needed. The disadvantage comes for users whose email addresses are not provided by the same organisation as the CA (e.g. a hotmail address in a certificate issued by Verisign). David > And based on this they ask what the > technical justification is for using the mapping specified in > ldapext-locate versus a looser mapping that would let them (as they see > it) transition more easily. If the justification is "purity", or > attitudes of how naming hierarchies should be designed in practice, then > the assertion is that design of naming hierarchies should be left to > deployers. > > > then I think the draft as it stands is just fine. An organisation using > > X.521 naming e.g. o=university of salford, c=gb, can still use the ID as > > it stands by creating a DC based alias entry for its organisation in its > > LDAP directory e.g. dc=salford, dc=ac, dc=uk and pointing this to its > > X.521 based organisation entry. The client can then use SRV records to > > find the TCP/IP address of the LDAP server and send a search request > > looking for david chadwick in the dc based organisation. The server will > > simply dereference the alias, map the dc organisation alias into the > > X.521 organisation and continue the search from there. > > Hmm. Do existing LDAP servers uniformly support this? 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If the CA already has an X.521 name > form with lots (thousands possibly) of issued certificates, how will > it help those thousands of certificates to create a new name with DCs > at the bottom of it. The certificates have not changed, so wont know > about this new DC extended name. You obviously are not suggesting > re-issuing the certificates, otherwise a simple transition to pure DC > based naming could be done at the same time. No, it's understood by these folks that certs have to be reissued with the new DC-in-the-middle DNs in order to take advantage of SRV record lookup. As I wrote in my previous note: Adding directory contexts with DCs in them in lower levels of their existing hierarchy they see as much easier and less disruptive than establishing an entirely new naming hierarchy (while acknowledging that DNs have to change in either case). Arguments about ease-of-deployment are always difficult to assess. Is it substantially easier, if one is motivated to take advantage of SRV lookup for DNs, to modify lower levels of one's non-DC-based hierarchy, or start afresh with DC at the top? As an institutional directory deployer I've done the start-fresh thing twice now (as you suggest you would do) and it wasn't so bad, but then certs weren't involved in either case; and it got us to naming hierarchies that make sense, IMHO, for a long time. But we all know how naming is. Design choices that mandate particular naming choices always get resistance, so, all other things being equal, designs that are naming-independent are better. The question remains whether there is any technical reason not to provide the extra flexibility these folks are asking for. I haven't heard any yet. If there is any, it may have to do with having to scan the whole DN rather than being able to specify some termination point for the mapping algorithm. I suppose there is the operational situation that some number of clients are already deployed that use the strict mapping specified in ldapext-locate. So we might ask whether the above deployment concerns warrant revving these clients. But in my experience in the IETF, an installed based of pre-standard software hasn't ever been a good argument for not doing the right thing. > Were you aware that an ID was presented to the PKIX group in Pittsburg > (authors were Sharon Boeyen of Entrust and someone else I believe) who > were also trying to solve this problem. Their solution if I remember > correctly (unfortunately I cannot find a copy of their ID) was to use > the email address of the user, which is often stored in the > certificate, to find the LDAP server via SRV records. Since the Email > address is already a DNS name, no DC mapping is needed. The > disadvantage comes for users whose email addresses are not provided by > the same organisation as the CA (e.g. a hotmail address in a > certificate issued by Verisign). I think you mean draft-ietf-pkix-pkixrep-00.txt. This is doing a different task: starting with a DNS name, how do you find a PKIX cert repository containing certs that somehow relate to that DNS name (among other problems with this document, exactly what it's solving is poorly specified; it was suggested at PKIX that it go to Experimental status). Once you start talking about cert contents, things are infinitely fungible; look at, eg, the Subject Information Access extension described in draft-ietf-pkix-new-part1-03.txt section 4.2.2.2, which might be used to find a directory containing info about a subject. It can be argued that findability of directories based on bare DNs doesn't matter, since there are so many other ways to do it, when you're interpreting a cert. But the problem draft-ietf-ldapext-locate is trying to solve is finding a DS based on a DN, which I suspect folks in our community think is a worthwhile problem to solve. - RL "Bob" From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 14 13:13:48 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA10055 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEI3p329851; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBEIC6c16071; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:12:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:12:06 -0800 (PST) Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:07:43 -0500 From: "Slone, Skip" Subject: RE: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping To: "'David Chadwick'" , "RL 'Bob' Morgan" Cc: IETF ldapext WG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <"qoOtMC.A.z6D.11QO6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I agree with David in that I don't believe the approach of extracting any embedded dc elements solves the problem. In addition, the appending of dc elements to the least-significant end of a DN appears to introduce some potentially disruptive semantic changes into the nature of a DN itself, but I'll save that for another discussion. To address the issue at hand (LDAP server location), my company is making definite moves in the direction of dc-based DNs. However, the same cannot necessarily be said for our 65,000 or so trading partners. Many of those are likely to continue using the civil naming approach indefinitely. Regardless what approach they take, we will need to be able to resolve their names and find their associated directory entries. What we need, therefore, is a deterministic algorithm that gets us from any arbitrary DN to a cognizant LDAP server (or to a definitive determination of the non-existence of such a server). I've been giving this matter considerable thought lately, and have a somewhat embryonic idea to propose for discussion. Unfortunately, I don't have it fully articulated just yet, and am getting ready to disappear from the scene until January 2. Nonetheless, at the risk of generating a firestorm just as I leave for for vacation :-), I'll share my thinking: 1) continue to use dc/SRV mapping as presently defined. 2) define a mapping between c=XX and dc= (with special mappings as needed to handle cases like c=GB --> dc=uk) 3) define a new RR type (for sake of discussion, let's call it an O-record) that resolves o= to a fully qualified domain name (much like a CNAME RR, but with a different label field). Items 2 and 3 would give us the ability to deterministically map DNs of the form "o=Something, c=ZZ" to an arbitrary domain name, which could then be queried for LDAP services as if the DN ended in the dc equivalent of that domain name. As an example, my company could (hypothetically, of course) register with the owner of the .us domain, who would create an O-record with the label field equal to "Lockheed Martin" and a data field of, say "lmco.com". Thus, a DN ending in "o=Lockheed Martin, c=US" would query .us, receiving "lmco.com" in response. (Note that this maps across TLDs without difficulty.) 4) building on this concept, define another new RR type (for sake of discussion, let's call it an OU-record) that queries the domain returned by step 3 and resolves ou= to a fully qualified domain name. Items 2 through 4 now give us the ability to deterministically map DNs of the form "ou=Some org unit, o=Some Company, c=ZZ" to an arbitrary domain name. 5) apply 4 recursively, querying the domain previously returned and we can have an arbitrarily deep mapping. Noting the similarities between the O-record and OU-record above, it might be meaningful to consider a more general-purpose RR type instead (let's call it an AVA-record, replacing both the O-record and OU-record), for which the label field is defined as an arbitrary attribute value assertion such as "o=Company Name". This AVA record could then collapse steps 3 through 5 into a single step, applied recursively, giving us the ability to resolve any country-rooted DN to a domain name. That domain name could then be used in the same manner as if the DN itself were a dc-style DN as known today. This also opens the possibility of adding to the current dc algorithm to intersperse dc and civil attribute types in the DN. Much more thought needs to be applied to this, but it looks like a deterministic algorithm is within reach. Obviously, there are many, many issues to be worked through, not the least of which are the registration issues at the ccTLD level and issues of what to do with non-country/non-dc rooted DNs. However, it seems to me that there might be something here worth pursuing. Any thoughts? -- Skip Slone Lockheed Martin -----Original Message----- From: David Chadwick [mailto:d.w.chadwick@salford.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:21 AM To: RL 'Bob' Morgan Cc: IETF ldapext WG Subject: Re: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping RL 'Bob' Morgan wrote: > > Upon further discussion, the situation is stated like this. Some > organizations have large deployments using traditional X.500 civil naming > (o=Example Corp, c=nu). They also have issued X.509 certificates using > those names. They are as aware as anyone of the absence of a worldwide > X.500 directory, and would like to take advantage of clients that can use > SRV records to locate LDAP servers given a DN (eg, the DN of a cert > issuer). Adding directory contexts with DCs in them in lower levels of > their existing hierarchy they see as much easier and less disruptive than > establishing an entirely new naming hierarchy (while acknowledging that > DNs have to change in either case). Now I dont see how this will work. If the CA already has an X.521 name form with lots (thousands possibly) of issued certificates, how will it help those thousands of certificates to create a new name with DCs at the bottom of it. The certificates have not changed, so wont know about this new DC extended name. You obviously are not suggesting re-issuing the certificates, otherwise a simple transition to pure DC based naming could be done at the same time. So could you please explain how this DC extended name is going to help? If I were to solve this problem I would create a CA name based on DC naming and put this in all new certificates, still using X521 naming for everything else. Then the certificate user can look up the LDAP server of the CA, using the mechanism proposed in the current ID. Eventually everyone would migrate to this new scheme. But it would not solve the problem for existing users. Were you aware that an ID was presented to the PKIX group in Pittsburg (authors were Sharon Boeyen of Entrust and someone else I believe) who were also trying to solve this problem. There solution if I remember correctly (unfortunately I cannot find a copy of their ID) was to use the email address of the user, which is often stored in the certificate, to find the LDAP server via SRV records. Since the Email address is already a DNS name, no DC mapping is needed. The disadvantage comes for users whose email addresses are not provided by the same organisation as the CA (e.g. a hotmail address in a certificate issued by Verisign). David > And based on this they ask what the > technical justification is for using the mapping specified in > ldapext-locate versus a looser mapping that would let them (as they see > it) transition more easily. If the justification is "purity", or > attitudes of how naming hierarchies should be designed in practice, then > the assertion is that design of naming hierarchies should be left to > deployers. > > > then I think the draft as it stands is just fine. An organisation using > > X.521 naming e.g. o=university of salford, c=gb, can still use the ID as > > it stands by creating a DC based alias entry for its organisation in its > > LDAP directory e.g. dc=salford, dc=ac, dc=uk and pointing this to its > > X.521 based organisation entry. The client can then use SRV records to > > find the TCP/IP address of the LDAP server and send a search request > > looking for david chadwick in the dc based organisation. The server will > > simply dereference the alias, map the dc organisation alias into the > > X.521 organisation and continue the search from there. > > Hmm. Do existing LDAP servers uniformly support this? 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X-Mailer: Sun NetMail 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3q1pOB.A.0JB.p5YO6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current acl draft proposes an entry level permission called "browseDN" (4.2.2). The idea behind this permssion is to able to set a policy saying something like "you can see this entry if you name it explicitly as the base of a search, otherwise not". At Pittsburgh people seemed to like this permission and I agreed to do a proposal for this....however, relative to a single "read" level permission that ignores scoping it does complicate things. The definition of the required permissions for search (5.2) already has to deal with a fair line up of other permssions (filter (presence and "the rest"), attribute level read, returnDN and discloseOnError). While providing more permssions certainly increases the flexibility of the model, it also makes it harder to understand and administrate, so my inclination is drop the browse permission in favour of a single "read" permission at the entry level. My question is do people feel strongly that the "browse" permission is required ? If so, please propose a compelling scenario that really needs this granularity of control of search permissions. I will then include this as a motivating example and propose a way to include it in the required permssions for search. Otherwise I intend to drop it for the 07 draft... Rob. From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 15 09:09:44 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA10410 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBFDxl320284; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBFE85A27028; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:08:05 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: rbyrne@odin.France.Sun.COM (Rob Byrne - Sun Microsystems) Message-Id: <200012142039.VAA28436@odin.France.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:41:47 -0800 To: Reply-To: Subject: ldap acl draft(06): browse permission needed ? X-Mailer: Sun NetMail 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yc5mhB.A.9lG.EXiO6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the current acl draft (06) there is a browse permssion proposed and in the discussion at Pittsburgh people seemed to like it. To recap, this permssion is revelvant to the search operation only and the idea is to be able to define a policy whereby you are only returned entries that you explicitly name. So, to give a specific example, in a tree with a flat name space, where the entries did not have this permission then you could do base searches at individual entries but if you went up a level and did a subtree search, you would see nothing. So you can see this permssion as a way to still allow limited access but to kind of put a break on the search operation. I have some proposals for working this into the current draft but it is trickier than just having a simple "read" permssion on all entries. In fact I think that when you start to use a browse permssion you also need another to protect the base of the search too. It's all doable but don't forget the search already has to deal with filter permssions, attribute level permssion, returnDN (for aliases) and the infamous discloseOnError permission. You've probably guessed my inclination is to just define one "read" permssion at the entry level--the reasons are ease of definition and ease of administration. My question is do people still feel the extra granularity of the browse permssion is needed and if so, please provide a compelling deployment scenario. 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Firstly locate is not trying to solve the above for the general case, but only for a very limited case. Quoting from locate it states "This method takes advantage of the global deployment of the DNS, by allowing LDAP server location information for any existing DNS domain to be published by creating the records described below. " Thus locate is only solving the problem once you have a domain name or a dc based DN to map into a domain name. It does not even pretend to be solving the general problem you outlined above. This is OK, since domain names are widely known and used. Secondly, I think the problem itself is something of an oxymoron. DNs are not widely known or used. You actually use an LDAP directory to find a DN if you want one, not the other way around. People usually dont know DNs, nor do they really care what they are. Therefore if a client has in its possession a DN it must have come from somewhere. If it came from a certificate, then as you say there are alternative ways of finding the LDAP server from the contents of the certificate, rather than doing some arbitrary DN mapping based on the subject DN. If it did not come from a certificate, but some other place, then why not get the other place to pass an LDAP URL containing the DN, rather than just the DN on its own. This would solve the problem nicely. After all URLs are a much more common currency than DNs. Finally we as a group should really be trying harder to help LDAP servers hold more knowledge information about each other, then the problem above tends to disappear since a client then only needs to know about one LDAP server and this will plug it into the rest of the LDAP world. Imagine how the DNS would operate if every resolver had to find the location of the DNS server it wanted before it could make domain look ups. I therefore seriously question whether the general problem you outline above is a sensible one that we should even be attempting to solve. 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Zeilenga" Subject: Re: LDAP server location and DN->DNS mapping Cc: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" , IETF ldapext WG In-Reply-To: <3A3DB5B2.FABD500D@salford.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PkDtcC.A.4TF.R8WP6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com RFC 2247 itself introduces an algorithm for transforming any domain name to a DN *AND* to convert these DNs back into the original domain names (last paragraph of section 3). The purpose of the Locate I-D is to more fully specify the DN to DNS mapping and to provide DNS SRV capabilities. Like RFC 2247, the locate I-D should not define (nor preclude) other DNS/DN equivalences. If there may be other useful DNS/DN equivalences, they should be specified separately from RFC2247/locate. Kurt At 10:58 PM 12/17/00 -0800, David Chadwick wrote: >RL 'Bob' Morgan wrote: > >> But the problem draft-ietf-ldapext-locate is trying to solve is finding a >> DS based on a DN, which I suspect folks in our community think is a >> worthwhile problem to solve. >> >> - RL "Bob" > >Bob > >I question your assertion above on several counts. Firstly locate is not >trying to solve the above for the general case, but only for a very >limited case. Quoting from locate it states > >"This method takes advantage of the global > deployment of the DNS, by allowing LDAP server location information > for any existing DNS domain to be published by creating the records > described below. " > >Thus locate is only solving the problem once you have a domain name or a >dc based DN to map into a domain name. It does not even pretend to be >solving the general problem you outlined above. This is OK, since domain >names are widely known and used. > >Secondly, I think the problem itself is something of an oxymoron. DNs >are not widely known or used. You actually use an LDAP directory to find >a DN if you want one, not the other way around. People usually dont know >DNs, nor do they really care what they are. Therefore if a client has in >its possession a DN it must have come from somewhere. If it came from a >certificate, then as you say there are alternative ways of finding the >LDAP server from the contents of the certificate, rather than doing some >arbitrary DN mapping based on the subject DN. If it did not come from a >certificate, but some other place, then why not get the other place to >pass an LDAP URL containing the DN, rather than just the DN on its own. >This would solve the problem nicely. After all URLs are a much more >common currency than DNs. > >Finally we as a group should really be trying harder to help LDAP >servers hold more knowledge information about each other, then the >problem above tends to disappear since a client then only needs to know >about one LDAP server and this will plug it into the rest of the LDAP >world. Imagine how the DNS would operate if every resolver had to find >the location of the DNS server it wanted before it could make domain >look ups. > >I therefore seriously question whether the general problem you outline >above is a sensible one that we should even be attempting to solve. > >David From list@netscape.com Mon Dec 18 02:04:03 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA05059 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBI6n2s25062; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBI72Pg16607; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:02:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: To: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:04:32 Message-Id: <202.644423.182786@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-jBYZ.A.NDE.AabP6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GET YOUR OWN 100 MEG WEBSITE FOR ONLY $11.95 PER MONTH TODAY! 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FOR DETAILS CALL 1 888 248 0765 if you are outside the USA, please fax 240 337 8325 Webhosting International From list@netscape.com Mon Dec 18 11:41:57 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA10784 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBIGVq308439; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBIGeE223925; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:40:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:40:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20001213150931.00a870e0@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:37:07 -0800 To: David Chadwick , LDAP-EXT , internet-drafts@ietf.org From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: Re: matched values 05 In-Reply-To: <3A36AF9B.5B4E74A7@salford.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"AwQ5iC.A.j1F.t3jP6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com While I appreciate all of the hard work that has gone into the development of the control, I don't feel that it is a good idea. 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It seems to me that attribute values that are used in the sorting process can be subsequently affected by the MVO control. My recommendation would be to not progress this draft at all. If it is to be progressed at all, it should go only as Experimental since the impact on existing controls has not been explored, and since there are simpler solutions to the problem it claims to solve. Thanks, Bruce Greenblatt ============================================== Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. D. 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Zeilenga" Subject: Re: matched values 05 Cc: David Chadwick , LDAP-EXT In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001213150931.00a870e0@pop.walltech.com> References: <3A36AF9B.5B4E74A7@salford.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Hzf3HD.A.MeG.BpnP6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com The data model supports multiple values. Often only a subset of the values are of interest. I believe that such functionality is generally useful in the presence of attributes with (even a small number of) multiple values. This I-D provides a well defined mechanism to request only the return of values of interest. This mechanism is, IMO, technically sound and is quite suitable for publication on standard track. 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If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_C19AC85D.2A4B6EF2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LDAP clients today, can start an LDAP operation, and consume the results = till the end or abort the operation midway by sending a 'abandon' and not = receive any results that were not sent by the server before it received = the abandon. It seems that at least in multi-entry operations, it would be = useful if a client can send an indication to the server to 'stop' the = operation, but still send results that have been generated but not yet = sent for the operation. This is like an abandon operation but with a = reply. Does this sound like a useful feature? I would like to hear = comments on this. 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LDAP clients today, can start an LDAP operation, and = consume=20 the results till the end or abort the operation midway by sending a = 'abandon'=20 and not receive any results that were not sent by the server before it = received=20 the abandon. It seems that at least in multi-entry operations, it would = be=20 useful if a client can send an indication to the server to 'stop' the = operation,=20 but still send results that have been generated but not yet sent for = the=20 operation. This is like an abandon operation but with a reply. Does this = sound=20 like a useful feature? I would like to hear comments on this.
 
Thanks and Regards,
Haripriya
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Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJIjI311878; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBJIreY26272; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:53:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:53:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3FADA9.33FFD3C5@openwave.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:49:13 -0800 From: sanjay jain Reply-To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com Organization: Openwave Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ldapext Subject: matching rules ... Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vqToFB.A.FaG.z66P6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could somebody please provide pointers to the formal
definitions and OIDs for the following matching rules ?

CaseIgnoreIA5OrderingMatch
CaseIgnoreIA5SubstringMatch
CaseExactIA5OrderingMatch
CaseExactIA5SubstringMatch

thanks From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 19 15:36:25 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA23953 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJKLLs10749; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBJKYlM09027; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:34:47 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:34:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001219115604.0223fa70@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:34:11 -0800 To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: matching rules ... Cc: ldapext In-Reply-To: <3A3FADA9.33FFD3C5@openwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"We8zVD.A.xMC.mZ8P6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 10:49 AM 12/19/00 -0800, sanjay jain wrote: >Could somebody please provide pointers to the formal >definitions and OIDs for the following matching rules ? > >CaseIgnoreIA5OrderingMatch >CaseIgnoreIA5SubstringMatch >CaseExactIA5OrderingMatch >CaseExactIA5SubstringMatch > >thanks As IA5 String syntax and matching rules are mentioned in various X.500 RFCs (1274,1279,1617), I assume there is some specification of associated matching rules to be found in the normative references of these RFCs. I note that at least one of these matching rules is specified in RFC 2798. I also note that 2nd edition of X.500 does not provide any specification of IA5 strings. The 2nd edition relies on directory strings which allow a choice of character encodings (which IA5 is NOT a choice, but can be encoded using teletex or universal strings). I recommend to anyone designing schema not to use IA5 String syntax and related matching rules. Use directory string instead and, if appropriate, state the contents shall be restricted to IA5 characters. From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 19 15:47:50 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA24356 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJKWos13673; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBJKkGw14280; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:46:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:46:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001219124836.00a3ae10@pop.walltech.com> X-Sender: bgreenblatt@pop.walltech.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:49:01 -0800 To: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" , sanjay.jain@openwave.com From: Bruce Greenblatt Subject: Re: matching rules ... Cc: ldapext In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001219115604.0223fa70@router.boolean.net> References: <3A3FADA9.33FFD3C5@openwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gqgQT.A.0eD.Wk8P6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 12:34 PM 12/19/00, Kurt D. Zeilenga wrote: >I recommend to anyone designing schema not to use IA5 String >syntax and related matching rules. Use directory string instead >and, if appropriate, state the contents shall be restricted to >IA5 characters. I second that emotion! From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 19 16:26:56 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA25381 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBJLG9321609; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBJLOVU28796; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:24:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:24:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3F071B.F8CB8A78@salford.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:58:35 -0800 From: David Chadwick Organization: University of Salford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Greenblatt CC: LDAP-EXT , internet-drafts@ietf.org Subject: Re: matched values 05 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001213150931.00a870e0@pop.walltech.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msF1811F064286975E6F5E0C7D" Resent-Message-ID: <"2hoyDB.A.cBH.OI9P6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msF1811F064286975E6F5E0C7D Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A74F418D510E9142390D732C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A74F418D510E9142390D732C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Greenblatt wrote: > > While I appreciate all of the hard work that has gone into the development > of the control, I don't feel that it is a good idea. So, I guess the time > has come (again) for me to state my opinion about the Matched Values Only > (MVO) control. IMHO the MVO control as described in this draft is a > negative. Throughout its progression, it has grown increasingly more > complex. As I recall, it started out life as a simple boolean. > Correct, this was so it could conform to the X.50O extension. But after much discussion on the list we found that the X.500 solution was deficient. Hence the use of a simple filter (which servers will already have implemented for the Search operation). I propose to align the future X.50O with this control under the X.500 alignment work item that it now active. > The problem that is solved is mostly due to poor schema and DIT structure > design. There is no reason to have so many attribute values in the > attribute of an entry. I believe this is a fundamentally wrong statement. Sure, you can ensure that no entry ever has more than single attribute values in it. But this is not good DIT design, this is poor DIT design, as you are being forced to bend the DIT to fit the LDAP protocol that is incapable of supporting a more natural DIT design e.g. for a PKI I have to have several entries, each containing one certificate, because LDAP cannot support a single entry with multiple certificates. If you are interested in more details about this and other LDAP limitations, I have a written a paper that is currently under review for publication entitled "Deficiencies in LDAP when used to support a PKI". Once the paper is accepted I will let you have a copy if you wish. >As an example of how to solve this problem, I wrote > a draft that described an alternative way of storing certificates (alas, it > has expired). With more thought given to the schema and DIT structure > design, existing protocol and simple matching rules can be used to solve > the problem that this complex MVO control solves. > Sure they can. Also, you can build a car with a hammer and nails if you dont possess nuts, bolts and screws, but I would hardly call it good design. Rather it is poor design forced upon you because of a lack of proper tools. > I don't think that the Section 4 adequately address the problems of the > interaction with other controls. I am not convinced that the MVO control > acts independently of server side sorting. It seems to me that attribute > values that are used in the sorting process can be subsequently affected by > the MVO control. > Ok. Please tell me where the ID is deficient in this area and we will fix it. I have attempted to cover the overlaps in this section, but if I have missed something please provide a concrete example and we will fix it. David > My recommendation would be to not progress this draft at all. If it is to > be progressed at all, it should go only as Experimental since the impact on > existing controls has not been explored, and since there are simpler > solutions to the problem it claims to solve. > > Thanks, > > Bruce Greenblatt > > ============================================== > Bruce Greenblatt, Ph. 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I am not convinced that the MVO control > > acts independently of server side sorting. It seems to me that attribute > > values that are used in the sorting process can be subsequently affected by > > the MVO control. > > > >Ok. Please tell me where the ID is deficient in this area and we will >fix it. I have attempted to cover the overlaps in this section, but if I >have missed something please provide a concrete example and we will fix >it. > If you process sort then MVO: You sort entries based on certain attribute values which may be subsequently deleted by the MVO control processing. If you process MVO the sort: The sorting is always done on the remaining entries. It appears to me that there is the possibility that the search results will come back in a different order depending on how the MVO and sort controls are processed. Section 4 states: "This control acts independently of other LDAP controls such as server side sorting". To me if the controls were independent, I would get exactly the same data back in exactly the same order. So, I don't think that MVO and the sort control are "independent". Note that RFC 2891 requires the following processing method for multi-valued attributes: when an entry happens to have multiple values for that attribute and no other controls are present that affect the sorting order, then the server SHOULD use the least value (according to the ORDERING rule for that attribute). So, I would require the MVO to be processed BEFORE the sort control. Otherwise, the sorted entries may turn out to be no longer sorted. From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 19 21:08:26 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA29843 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBK1rQs28482; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBK26o627650; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:06:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: hahnt@us.ibm.com Importance: Normal To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 From: "Timothy Hahn" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:06:14 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01MLC96/01/M/IBM(Build V506_11152000.dev01 |November 27, 2000) at 12/19/2000 09:06:15 PM, Serialize complete at 12/19/2000 09:06:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000B5CA0852569BB_=" Resent-Message-ID: <"mRewZB.A.mvG.5QBQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000B5CA0852569BB_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings, Did anyone happen to save the sign-in sheet from the ELSE BOF in San Diego? I'm badly in need of a couple of e-mail addresses off of that list. Thanks in advance to anyone who can send it to me. Regards, Tim Hahn Internet: hahnt@us.ibm.com Internal: Timothy Hahn/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS or IBMUSM00(HAHNT) phone: 607.752.6388 tie-line: 8/852.6388 fax: 607.752.3681 --=_alternative 000B5CA0852569BB_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings,

Did anyone happen to save the sign-in sheet from the ELSE BOF in San Diego?  I'm badly in need of a couple of e-mail addresses off of that list.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can send it to me.
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Tim Hahn

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fax: 607.752.3681 --=_alternative 000B5CA0852569BB_=-- From list@netscape.com Tue Dec 19 21:44:26 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA01401 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBK2Sws02377; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBK2cUE08171; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:38:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:38:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001219175351.021fb320@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:37:43 -0800 To: Bruce Greenblatt From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: matched values 05 Cc: David Chadwick , LDAP-EXT In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001219152211.00a38d50@pop.walltech.com> References: <3A3F071B.F8CB8A78@salford.ac.uk> <5.0.2.1.0.20001213150931.00a870e0@pop.walltech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"z2PixD.A.Z_B.luBQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 03:33 PM 12/19/00 -0800, Bruce Greenblatt wrote: >If you process sort then MVO: You sort entries based on certain attribute values which may be subsequently deleted by the MVO control processing. Yes. >If you process MVO the sort: The sorting is always done on the remaining entries. Yes. >It appears to me that there is the possibility that the search results will come back in a different order depending on how the MVO and sort controls are processed. Yes. >Section 4 states: "This control acts independently of other LDAP controls such as server side sorting". To me if the controls were independent, I would get exactly the same data back in exactly the same order. So, I don't think that MVO and the sort control are "independent". I would say that each control acts independently upon a set of inputs provided to it but that the input to the control is dependent on what factors proceed it in the processing of the operation. >Note that RFC 2891 requires the following processing method for multi-valued attributes: when an entry happens to have multiple values for that attribute and no other controls are present that affect the sorting order, then the server SHOULD use the least value (according to the ORDERING rule for that attribute). This issue can be resolved by simply stating that the MVO control may affect sort ordering in the presence of sort controls as it may alter results after the sort has been completed. >So, I would require the MVO to be processed BEFORE the sort control. Otherwise, the sorted entries may turn out to be no longer sorted. I disagree. The sort control, like any other control, is subject to other factors including extension. It is perfectly reasonable for the MVO control to extend search operations extended by a sort control and to depend the semantics upon sequencing of controls (it is a sequence after all). 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This draft is a work item of the LDAP Extension Working Group of the IETF. Title : Returning Matched Values with LDAPv3 Author(s) : D. Chadwick, S. Mullan Filename : draft-ietf-ldapext-matchedval-05.txt Pages : Date : 19-Dec-00 This document describes a control for the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol v3 that is used to return a subset of attribute values from an entry, specifically, only those values that match a 'values return' filter. Without support for this control, a client must retrieve all of an attribute's values and search for specific values locally. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldapext-matchedval-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ldapext-matchedval-05.txt". 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It seems that at least in multi-entry operations, it would be useful if a client can send an indication to the server to 'stop' the operation, but still send results that have been generated but not yet sent for the operation. This is like an abandon operation but with a reply. Does this sound like a useful feature? I would like to hear comments on this. Thanks and Regards, Haripriya From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 14:24:18 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA11624 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKJDD309745; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKJLYs29205; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:21:09 -0700 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: , Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id eBKJLPv29076 Resent-Message-ID: <"wlhMVC.A.9GH.2aQQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't (sorry). It would also be nice if the assignments were distributed as well (I don't remember who got which items other than myself). Jim >>> "Timothy Hahn" 12/19/00 7:06:14 PM >>> Greetings, Did anyone happen to save the sign-in sheet from the ELSE BOF in San Diego? I'm badly in need of a couple of e-mail addresses off of that list. Thanks in advance to anyone who can send it to me. Regards, Tim Hahn Internet: hahnt@us.ibm.com Internal: Timothy Hahn/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS or IBMUSM00(HAHNT) phone: 607.752.6388 tie-line: 8/852.6388 fax: 607.752.3681 From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 14:33:43 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA12091 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKJM6311569; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKJUUU03460; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:30:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:30:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:29:46 -0700 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: matched values 05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id eBKJUSv03436 Resent-Message-ID: <"IHTlAB.A.y1.UjQQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >It is perfectly reasonable >for the MVO control to extend search operations extended by a sort >control and to depend the semantics upon sequencing of controls >(it is a sequence after all). The problem with this statement is that nothing in RFC 2251 ties the order in which controls are processed to the ordering of the controls in the controls sequence. Thus, either 1) 2251 needs to be fixed, 2) every control spec needs to specify it's relationship with all other related controls (which is impossible), or 3) we just settle for interoperability problems. Jim >>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" 12/19/00 7:37:43 PM >>> At 03:33 PM 12/19/00 -0800, Bruce Greenblatt wrote: >If you process sort then MVO: You sort entries based on certain attribute values which may be subsequently deleted by the MVO control processing. Yes. >If you process MVO the sort: The sorting is always done on the remaining entries. Yes. >It appears to me that there is the possibility that the search results will come back in a different order depending on how the MVO and sort controls are processed. Yes. >Section 4 states: "This control acts independently of other LDAP controls such as server side sorting". To me if the controls were independent, I would get exactly the same data back in exactly the same order. So, I don't think that MVO and the sort control are "independent". I would say that each control acts independently upon a set of inputs provided to it but that the input to the control is dependent on what factors proceed it in the processing of the operation. >Note that RFC 2891 requires the following processing method for multi-valued attributes: when an entry happens to have multiple values for that attribute and no other controls are present that affect the sorting order, then the server SHOULD use the least value (according to the ORDERING rule for that attribute). This issue can be resolved by simply stating that the MVO control may affect sort ordering in the presence of sort controls as it may alter results after the sort has been completed. >So, I would require the MVO to be processed BEFORE the sort control. Otherwise, the sorted entries may turn out to be no longer sorted. I disagree. The sort control, like any other control, is subject to other factors including extension. It is perfectly reasonable for the MVO control to extend search operations extended by a sort control and to depend the semantics upon sequencing of controls (it is a sequence after all). Kurt From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 15:18:49 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA13435 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKK8i321362; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKKH7w23020; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:17:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:17:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220120217.02243930@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:16:32 -0800 To: "Jim Sermersheim" From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: matched values 05 Cc: , , In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nd_puB.A.anF.CPRQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 12:29 PM 12/20/00 -0700, Jim Sermersheim wrote: >>It is perfectly reasonable >>for the MVO control to extend search operations extended by a sort >>control and to depend the semantics upon sequencing of controls >>(it is a sequence after all). > >The problem with this statement is that nothing in RFC 2251 ties the order in which controls are processed to the ordering of the controls in the controls sequence. Nor does RFC 2251 state how control interact, period. This is left to the control specification. However, as RFC 2251 uses a SEQUENCE OF controls instead of a SET OF controls, it is clear that RFC 2251 allows for behavior to be described not only be which controls are present but order in the sequence. >Thus, either >1) 2251 needs to be fixed, In regards to SEQUENCE OF, no. >2) every control spec needs to specify it's relationship with all other related controls (which is impossible), or Regardless of whether you believe there can or should be order dependent behavior, behavior of operations extended by multiple controls must be clearly defined. It's not impossible. It's just difficult. But the difficulty is not due to whether or not the controls are orderred or not, the difficulty comes from combining new controls with existing controls where the existing control TS could not possible invision the impact of all new controls. >3) we just settle for interoperability problems. If you the combination of controls has no specification, then there will be huge interoperability problems. However, I do believe RFC 2251 does need a clarification. "Controls SHOULD NOT be combined unless the semantics of the combination has been specified. The semantics of control combinations, if specified, are generally defined is the control specification most recently published. In the absence of such a specification, the behavior of the operation is not defined." From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 16:34:49 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA16129 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKLN7303543; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKLVUA16843; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:31:30 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:31:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31EF955E0A3BD411AE7F004F4E01F08423A7E0@mailut2.vpnx.com> From: Brian Jarvis To: "'rbyrne@bebop.France.Sun.COM'" Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: RE: ldap acl draft(06): browse permission needed ? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:30:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"8083R.A.5GE.xUSQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com I'm making this reply mostly as documentation of our discussion Friday morning in San Diego. I believe the intent of the browseDN was to prevent discovery of DNs. As long as the effects of readEntry are documented on each operation (it MUST be checked on search but MUST NOT be checked during bind, etc.), I believe it can meet that intent. If it is easier to document, explain, or implement, it might be better than browseDN. --the walrus -----Original Message----- From: rbyrne@odin.France.Sun.COM [mailto:rbyrne@odin.France.Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 13:42 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: ldap acl draft(06): browse permission needed ? In the current acl draft (06) there is a browse permssion proposed and in the discussion at Pittsburgh people seemed to like it. To recap, this permssion is revelvant to the search operation only and the idea is to be able to define a policy whereby you are only returned entries that you explicitly name. So, to give a specific example, in a tree with a flat name space, where the entries did not have this permission then you could do base searches at individual entries but if you went up a level and did a subtree search, you would see nothing. So you can see this permssion as a way to still allow limited access but to kind of put a break on the search operation. I have some proposals for working this into the current draft but it is trickier than just having a simple "read" permssion on all entries. In fact I think that when you start to use a browse permssion you also need another to protect the base of the search too. It's all doable but don't forget the search already has to deal with filter permssions, attribute level permssion, returnDN (for aliases) and the infamous discloseOnError permission. You've probably guessed my inclination is to just define one "read" permssion at the entry level--the reasons are ease of definition and ease of administration. My question is do people still feel the extra granularity of the browse permssion is needed and if so, please provide a compelling deployment scenario. If people don't come back and say "We really need this" then my plan is to drop it for the 07 draft...if they do then I'll work in a proposal, using your scenario as a motivating example (so you will be on the hook too!) Rob. From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 16:43:12 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA16494 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKLS4s20850; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKLfXc21492; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31EF955E0A3BD411AE7F004F4E01F08423A7E1@mailut2.vpnx.com> From: Brian Jarvis To: "'rbyrne@bebop.France.Sun.COM'" Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: RE: ldap acl draft(06): browse permission needed ? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"FCOltB.A.iPF.MeSQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com 1. If there is a readEntry permission, shouldn't there be a writeEntry? Just as readEntry would shut off all means of seeing an entry, independent of any attribute level permissions, writeEntry could prevent all modifications, despite any attribute level permissions. It might not grant any permissions by itself, but it is a prerequisite for other permissions. 2. I am assuming that readEntry would be checked before readAttribute. Would it also be checked before writeAttribute? If not, then can I tell that an object exists by attempting a modify and looking at the error code? --the walrus -----Original Message----- From: rbyrne@odin.France.Sun.COM [mailto:rbyrne@odin.France.Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 13:42 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: ldap acl draft(06): browse permission needed ? In the current acl draft (06) there is a browse permssion proposed and in the discussion at Pittsburgh people seemed to like it. To recap, this permssion is revelvant to the search operation only and the idea is to be able to define a policy whereby you are only returned entries that you explicitly name. So, to give a specific example, in a tree with a flat name space, where the entries did not have this permission then you could do base searches at individual entries but if you went up a level and did a subtree search, you would see nothing. So you can see this permssion as a way to still allow limited access but to kind of put a break on the search operation. I have some proposals for working this into the current draft but it is trickier than just having a simple "read" permssion on all entries. In fact I think that when you start to use a browse permssion you also need another to protect the base of the search too. It's all doable but don't forget the search already has to deal with filter permssions, attribute level permssion, returnDN (for aliases) and the infamous discloseOnError permission. You've probably guessed my inclination is to just define one "read" permssion at the entry level--the reasons are ease of definition and ease of administration. My question is do people still feel the extra granularity of the browse permssion is needed and if so, please provide a compelling deployment scenario. If people don't come back and say "We really need this" then my plan is to drop it for the 07 draft...if they do then I'll work in a proposal, using your scenario as a motivating example (so you will be on the hook too!) Rob. From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 16:47:30 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA16612 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKLWTs21868; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKLjwU23721; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:45:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:45:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A412786.96E03214@openwave.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:41:26 -0800 From: sanjay jain Reply-To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com Organization: Openwave Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ldapext Subject: numericString syntax ... Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZneFYD.A.XyF.ViSQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick question:

What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ?
Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are
allowed.
RFC 2252 defines 'numericstring' in section 4.1 but it is not
referred in section 6.23 section where 'numericString' syntax
is defined.

thanks From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 17:48:05 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA18313 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKMWZs00809; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKMe1Q16918; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220142308.0227b020@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:39:55 -0800 To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: numericString syntax ... Cc: ldapext In-Reply-To: <3A412786.96E03214@openwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gCvaYC.A.7HE.AVTQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 01:41 PM 12/20/00 -0800, sanjay jain wrote: >A quick question: > >What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ? numericString is identical in syntax to a directoryString. In X.500, this implies the character set is restricted by a choice of printableString (subset of IA5), teletexString (T.61), or universalString (UCS-2). >Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are >allowed. Yes. But note that "+1" and "1" are not equal by numeric string matching rules... nor are "-1.0" and "-1". Numeric string matching is just like that of case ignore matching with all spaces being ignored. >RFC 2252 defines 'numericstring' in section 4.1 but it is not >referred in section 6.23 section where 'numericString' syntax >is defined. This is mostly described in X.520. As noted in LDAPbis WG discussions, more specific references to X.500 specifications are needed. All are, of course, welcomed to participate in the LDAPv3 revision efforts. http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ldapbis-charter.html From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 17:53:44 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA18532 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBKMcfs01790; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKMq8c21266; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:52:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220145034.03b47d90@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:51:52 -0800 To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: numericString syntax ... Cc: ldapext In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220142308.0227b020@router.boolean.net> References: <3A412786.96E03214@openwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VWQ1LD.A.AMF.XgTQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 02:39 PM 12/20/00 -0800, Kurt D. Zeilenga wrote: >At 01:41 PM 12/20/00 -0800, sanjay jain wrote: >>A quick question: >> >>What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ? > >numericString is identical in syntax to a directoryString. >In X.500, this implies the character set is restricted by >a choice of printableString (subset of IA5), teletexString >(T.61), or universalString (UCS-2). And (I should have added) in LDAPv3, directoryString being restricted to UTF-8 implies that numericString syntax is likewise restricted to UTF-8. 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(This offer is Only good in USA) To be removed hit reply and put "REMOVE" in the subject line From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 19:56:36 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA20781 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBL0d7s22928; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBL0qYM05069; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:52:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:52:34 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Steven Legg" To: "'Kurt D. Zeilenga'" , Cc: "'ldapext'" Subject: RE: numericString syntax ... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:25:50 +1100 Message-ID: <001401c06ae4$933585a0$b05508cb@osmium.adacel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220142308.0227b020@router.boolean.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"R5aH6B.A.sOB.RRVQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt, > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt D. Zeilenga [mailto:Kurt@OpenLDAP.org] > Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2000 9:40 > To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com > Cc: ldapext > Subject: Re: numericString syntax ... > > > At 01:41 PM 12/20/00 -0800, sanjay jain wrote: > >A quick question: > > > >What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ? > > numericString is identical in syntax to a directoryString. > In X.500, this implies the character set is restricted by > a choice of printableString (subset of IA5), teletexString > (T.61), or universalString (UCS-2). NumericString syntax and DirectoryString syntax are not identical in X.500. The definition of NumericString comes from X.680 and X.690, and is essentially the space and digit characters only, using the ASCII code points. BTW, the latest definition of DirectoryString is a choice of PrintableString, TeletexString, BMPString (UCS-2, UNICODE), UniversalString (UCS-4) and UTF8String. Regards, Steven > > > >Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are > >allowed. > > Yes. But note that "+1" and "1" are not equal by numeric > string matching rules... nor are "-1.0" and "-1". Numeric > string matching is just like that of case ignore matching > with all spaces being ignored. > > >RFC 2252 defines 'numericstring' in section 4.1 but it is not > >referred in section 6.23 section where 'numericString' syntax > >is defined. > > This is mostly described in X.520. As noted in LDAPbis WG > discussions, more specific references to X.500 specifications > are needed. All are, of course, welcomed to participate in > the LDAPv3 revision efforts. > http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ldapbis-charter.html > > From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 20:07:05 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA20887 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBL0fXs24050; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKNrTI15000; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:29 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:29 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Steven Legg" To: , "'ldapext'" Subject: RE: numericString syntax ... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:53:25 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c06ae0$0c624800$b05508cb@osmium.adacel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06B3C.3FD2C000" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A412786.96E03214@openwave.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"87vWgB.A.GqD.4ZUQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06B3C.3FD2C000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sanjay, The definition of NumericString in X.680 restricts the characters to space and the digits 0 to 9. Steven -----Original Message----- From: sanjay jain [mailto:sanjay.jain@openwave.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2000 8:41 To: ldapext Subject: numericString syntax ... A quick question: What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ? Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are allowed. RFC 2252 defines 'numericstring' in section 4.1 but it is not referred in section 6.23 section where 'numericString' syntax is defined. thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06B3C.3FD2C000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sanjay,
 
The=20 definition of NumericString in X.680 restricts the characters to space = and the=20 digits
0 to=20 9.
 
Steven
-----Original Message-----
From: sanjay jain=20 [mailto:sanjay.jain@openwave.com]
Sent: Thursday, 21 = December 2000=20 8:41
To: ldapext
Subject: numericString syntax=20 ...

A quick question:=20

What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ?=20
Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are =
allowed.=20
RFC 2252 defines 'numericstring' in section 4.1 but it is not =
referred=20 in section 6.23 section where 'numericString' syntax
is defined.=20

thanks

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06B3C.3FD2C000-- From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 21:09:13 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA21938 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBL1xE306520; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBKNMqc04809; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:22:52 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:22:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220150937.03b4b870@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:22:16 -0800 To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: numericString syntax ... Cc: ldapext In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001220142308.0227b020@router.boolean.net> References: <3A412786.96E03214@openwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pUbTnB.A.0KB.L9TQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 02:39 PM 12/20/00 -0800, Kurt D. Zeilenga wrote: >At 01:41 PM 12/20/00 -0800, sanjay jain wrote: >>A quick question: >> >>What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ? > >numericString is identical in syntax to a directoryString. Upon reflection, this statement is incorrect. numericString is a ASN.1 string type... >In X.500, this implies the character set is restricted by >a choice of printableString (subset of IA5), teletexString >(T.61), or universalString (UCS-2). and hence likely has significant restrictions upon allowed characters. "ASN.1 Complete" says 0-9 and space and when encoded using BER are represented using the corresponding ASCII characters. >>Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are >>allowed. Per "ASN.1 Complete", no. >Numeric string matching is just like that of case ignore matching >with all spaces being ignored. This statement, however, appears to be correct given the syntax restricts. >As noted in LDAPbis WG >discussions, more specific references to X.500 specifications >are needed. This is an example of why more specific references are needed. Now it's to go look at my numeric string syntax validation function... :-) Kurt From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 20 23:52:47 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA26311 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBL4h2308041; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBL4l7E14560; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:47:07 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:47:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:44:57 -0700 From: "Haripriya S" To: , "Jim Sermersheim" Subject: Re: Returning Partial Results for an operation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_A4FFD23C.9DFCDB15" Resent-Message-ID: <"WvZ9jC.A.OjD.KtYQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_A4FFD23C.9DFCDB15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes but it would then mandate that the server MUST send partial results = per entry immediately, and cannot bunch results even if a client wishes = so, because the state cannot be conveyed once an abandon is received.=20 Thanks and Regards, Haripriya >>> Jim Sermersheim 12/21/00 12:45AM >>>=20 If the multi-entry operation specification allows for partial results, = wouldn't the traditional abandon operation work? i.e.=20 Client Server=20 ----------------------------------------=20 Multi-Delete ----->=20 <----------- 0-n partial responses=20 Abandon ---------->=20 <----------- remaining unsent partial responses=20 I do however, wish that abandon had a response.=20 >>> "Haripriya S" < SHARIPRIYA@novell.com > 12/18/00 10:15:24 PM >>>=20 LDAP clients today, can start an LDAP operation, and consume the results = till the end or abort the operation midway by sending a 'abandon' and not = receive any results that were not sent by the server before it received = the abandon. It seems that at least in multi-entry operations, it would be = useful if a client can send an indication to the server to 'stop' the = operation, but still send results that have been generated but not yet = sent for the operation. This is like an abandon operation but with a = reply. Does this sound like a useful feature? I would like to hear = comments on this.=20 Thanks and Regards,=20 Haripriya=20 --=_A4FFD23C.9DFCDB15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes but it would then mandate that the server MUST= send=20 partial results per entry immediately, and cannot bunch results even if a = client=20 wishes so, because the state cannot be conveyed once an abandon is = received.=20
 
Thanks and Regards,
Haripriya

>>> Jim Sermersheim = 12/21/00=20 12:45AM >>>
If the multi-entry operation specification allows = for=20 partial results, wouldn't the traditional abandon operation work? i.e.=20

Client Server
----------------------------------------=20
Multi-Delete ----->
<----------- 0-n partial responses =
Abandon=20 ---------->
<----------- remaining unsent partial responses =

I=20 do however, wish that abandon had a response.

>>> = "Haripriya S"=20 < SHARIPRIYA@novell.com<= /U>=20 > 12/18/00 10:15:24 PM >>>

LDAP clients today, can = start an=20 LDAP operation, and consume the results till the end or abort the = operation=20 midway by sending a 'abandon' and not receive any results that were not = sent by=20 the server before it received the abandon. It seems that at least in = multi-entry=20 operations, it would be useful if a client can send an indication to the = server=20 to 'stop' the operation, but still send results that have been generated = but not=20 yet sent for the operation. This is like an abandon operation but with a = reply.=20 Does this sound like a useful feature? I would like to hear comments on = this.=20

Thanks and Regards,
Haripriya
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Zeilenga" Subject: Re: Returning Partial Results for an operation Cc: , "Jim Sermersheim" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RzO8DC.A.H-F.CbZQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 09:44 PM 12/20/00 -0700, Haripriya S wrote: >Yes but it would then mandate that the server MUST send partial results per entry immediately, and cannot bunch results even if a client wishes so, because the state cannot be conveyed once an abandon is received. Abandon semantics also require the server to defer returning return results of operations issues subsequent to the abandon operation until the operation being abandoned has been abandoned or has completed. For this reason, I have been considering specifying a new abandon operation which, like the X.500 abandon operation, has a response. 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Name_______ Address________ City/State________ Zip_________ Country__________ Phone__________ E-mail Address______________________ (notifications will be sent to this address for newsignups) mailto:tim8me@n2mail.com?Here_Is_My_Info God Bless, Steven From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 08:46:36 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA18935 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLDZ2319465; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLDhSw10413; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:43:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:43:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: rbyrne@france.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3A4208EE.F824D2EC@france.sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:43:10 +0100 From: Rob Byrne Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: 2829 questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z5eqdB.A.biC._jgQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Authentication Guys, A few questions come to mind when thinking about Authentication as used by the acl draft... 1. reading 2829bis I think DIGEST-MD5 is mandatory ONLY IF your server supports password based authentication...but the following makes it sound mandatory to provide BOTH password authentication AND DIGEST-MD5: "6.2. Digest authentication LDAP implementations MUST support authentication with a password using the DIGEST-MD5 SASL mechanism for password protection, as defined in section 6.1." The thing is for acl it would be nice (though not critical) to be able to default the required authentication level for a subject to a single "fairly secure" mechanism--if there is no such mandatory authentication scheme then you cannot do that. 2. Again on the subject of authentication level, is it possible to define an ordering on authentication levels which defines their relative "strengths" ? This would be useful in acl as you could say things like "a given aci grants access to a given subject at this authentication level AND ABOVE". David Chadwick raised this before in the context of denying access to a subject at a given authentication level, in which case he wanted to express "deny access to this subject at this authentication level AND TO ALL IDENTITIES AUTHENTICATED BELOW THAT LEVEL". 3. While I'm here...in 2829, I think it would be good to have some comments or explicit reference to a place where the security properties of the particular mandatory authentication schemes are outlined. When I say "security properties" I mean stuff like "This scheme is vulnerable to such and such attacks, is only safe if the key size is > 50, this hash is widely considered the best, etc...". I think an LDAP implementor is likely to be interested in that information, without having to wade through the security RFCs. Rob. From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 10:15:44 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA21658 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLF0j310479; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLFEEI04499; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:14:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:14:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: "Salter, Thomas A" To: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" , sanjay.jain@openwave.com Cc: ldapext Subject: RE: numericString syntax ... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:14:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"xUdK_.A.7FB.E5hQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com ... and the numeric string matching rule from X.520 says to ignore all the spaces and compare the digits. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt D. Zeilenga [mailto:Kurt@OpenLDAP.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:22 PM > To: sanjay.jain@openwave.com > Cc: ldapext > Subject: Re: numericString syntax ... > > > At 02:39 PM 12/20/00 -0800, Kurt D. Zeilenga wrote: > >At 01:41 PM 12/20/00 -0800, sanjay jain wrote: > >>A quick question: > >> > >>What is the character set for numericString syntax strings ? > > > >numericString is identical in syntax to a directoryString. > > Upon reflection, this statement is incorrect. numericString > is a ASN.1 string type... > > >In X.500, this implies the character set is restricted by > >a choice of printableString (subset of IA5), teletexString > >(T.61), or universalString (UCS-2). > > and hence likely has significant restrictions upon allowed > characters. "ASN.1 Complete" says 0-9 and space and when > encoded using BER are represented using the corresponding > ASCII characters. > > >>Particularly, I am interested in knowing if '+'/'-' chars are > >>allowed. > > Per "ASN.1 Complete", no. > > > >Numeric string matching is just like that of case ignore matching > >with all spaces being ignored. > > This statement, however, appears to be correct given the > syntax restricts. > > >As noted in LDAPbis WG > >discussions, more specific references to X.500 specifications > >are needed. > > This is an example of why more specific references are needed. > > Now it's to go look at my numeric string syntax validation > function... :-) > > Kurt > > From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 14:11:37 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA27796 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLJ19307805; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLJ9ag03554; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:09:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:09:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001221104521.021ad060@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:08:37 -0800 To: Rob Byrne From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: 2829 questions Cc: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com In-Reply-To: <3A4208EE.F824D2EC@france.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JwNu2.A.Q3.vVlQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 02:43 PM 12/21/00 +0100, Rob Byrne wrote: >A few questions come to mind when thinking about Authentication as used >by the acl draft... >1. reading 2829bis I think in the context of this discussion, you should read RFC2829 and, if you note the need for clarification, raise such issues to the LDAPbis WG. In terms of your post, please note that RFC2829, Section 6 says: LDAP implementations MUST support authentication with a password using the DIGEST-MD5 SASL mechanism for password protection, as defined in section 6.1. That is, SASL/DIGEST-MD5 is the LDAPv3 mandatory-to-implement secure authentication method. Kurt From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 15:32:35 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA29778 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLKHP326717; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLKUsU17755; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:30:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A426869.7F8C44C0@novell.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:30:33 -0700 From: Steven Sonntag Organization: Novell, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtag@novell.com, robw@worldspot.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: draft Java-api-12 References: <0001DE1C@prv-mail21.provo.novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aupIgD.A.JVE.9hmQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Weltman wrote: > It might be better instead to eliminate the current unsolicited > notification methods and instead have methods to add and remove > listeners for usolicited notifications. The implementation can then > discard unsolicited notifications if there are no listeners. For > example (I haven't thought this through completely yet): > > LDAPConnection > > public LDAPResponseListener addUnsolicitedNotificationListener( > LDAPResponseListener listener ) > > public void removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener( > LDAPResponseListener listener ) > > Rob > It seems natural to me that if unsolicited notifications are enabled on a listener, that the method LDAPListener.getMessageIDs() would include message ID 0 in the list of message IDs, and that LDAPConnection.abandon(0) and LDAPConnection.abandon(listener) could be used to removeUnsolicited notifications from a listener or listeners. This raises some questions. 1) Should getMessageIDs show messageID 0 when unsolicited notification are enabled? (My vote is yes) 2) Should the draft allow abandon to be used to remove unsolicited notifications? (this means that message ID 0 is treated like a message that never completes) 3) If number two is allowed, is removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener() necessary? -Steve From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 15:59:30 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA00663 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLKiV300216; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLKw0M00356; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:58:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:58:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001221125524.021fbb70@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:57:01 -0800 To: Steven Sonntag From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: draft Java-api-12 Cc: vtag@novell.com, robw@worldspot.com, ietf-ldapext@netscape.com In-Reply-To: <3A426869.7F8C44C0@novell.com> References: <0001DE1C@prv-mail21.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ptr2VD.A._E.V7mQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 01:30 PM 12/21/00 -0700, Steven Sonntag wrote: >Rob Weltman wrote: > >> It might be better instead to eliminate the current unsolicited >> notification methods and instead have methods to add and remove >> listeners for usolicited notifications. The implementation can then >> discard unsolicited notifications if there are no listeners. For >> example (I haven't thought this through completely yet): >> >> LDAPConnection >> >> public LDAPResponseListener addUnsolicitedNotificationListener( >> LDAPResponseListener listener ) >> >> public void removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener( >> LDAPResponseListener listener ) >> >> Rob >> > >It seems natural to me that if unsolicited notifications are enabled on >a >listener, that the method LDAPListener.getMessageIDs() would include >message ID 0 in the list of message IDs, and that >LDAPConnection.abandon(0) >and LDAPConnection.abandon(listener) could be used to removeUnsolicited >notifications from a listener or listeners. This raises some questions. > >1) Should getMessageIDs show messageID 0 when unsolicited notification >are enabled? (My vote is yes) > >2) Should the draft allow abandon to be used to remove unsolicited >notifications? >(this means that message ID 0 is treated like a message that never >completes) > >3) If number two is allowed, is removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener() >necessary? Is there a API requirement that requests are not generated with message id 0 (as allowed within the protocol)? Kurt From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 16:52:06 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA02175 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLLfv305523; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLLoLU22698; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:50:21 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:50:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:49:13 -0700 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: Cc: , , Subject: Re: matched values 05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id eBLLoIv22628 Resent-Message-ID: <"y4JNmB.A._hF.bsnQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" 12/20/00 1:16:32 PM >>> >At 12:29 PM 12/20/00 -0700, Jim Sermersheim wrote: >>>It is perfectly reasonable >>>for the MVO control to extend search operations extended by a sort >>>control and to depend the semantics upon sequencing of controls >>>(it is a sequence after all). >> >>The problem with this statement is that nothing in RFC 2251 ties the order in which controls are processed to the ordering of the controls in the controls sequence. >Nor does RFC 2251 state how control interact, period. This is >left to the control specification. However, as RFC 2251 uses >a SEQUENCE OF controls instead of a SET OF controls, it is clear >that RFC 2251 allows for behavior to be described not only be >which controls are present but order in the sequence. > >>Thus, either >>1) 2251 needs to be fixed, > >In regards to SEQUENCE OF, no. Not what I meant. I was refering to a fix along the lines of specifying rules regarding how the controls are to interact (based on the order of the sequence) >>2) every control spec needs to specify it's relationship with all other related controls (which is impossible), or >Regardless of whether you believe there can or should be order >dependent behavior, behavior of operations extended by multiple >controls must be clearly defined. > >It's not impossible. It's just difficult. But the difficulty >is not due to whether or not the controls are orderred or not, >the difficulty comes from combining new controls with existing >controls where the existing control TS could not possible >invision the impact of all new controls. The latter is what I considered impossible. Not knowing about future controls, one can never specify how a given control acts in conjunction with all other related controls. >>3) we just settle for interoperability problems. > >If you the combination of controls has no specification, then >there will be huge interoperability problems. > >However, I do believe RFC 2251 does need a clarification. > "Controls SHOULD NOT be combined unless the semantics of the > combination has been specified. The semantics of control > combinations, if specified, are generally defined is the > control specification most recently published. In the > absence of such a specification, the behavior of the operation > is not defined." This may be the least evil thing to do, but it still offers nothing about the implicit, explicit, or simply default process-order of controls. It may be useful to say that controls are to be processed in the order that they appear in the sequence unless otherwise specified. OTOH, saying that much might cause immediate non-conformance of existing clients and servers. From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 21 18:04:25 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA04011 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLMnG317347; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBLN2jg21902; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:02:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:02:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001221145054.02205390@router.boolean.net> X-Sender: guru@router.boolean.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:02:09 -0800 To: "Jim Sermersheim" From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: matched values 05 Cc: , , In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"503JJC.A.gVF.UwoQ6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com At 02:49 PM 12/21/00 -0700, Jim Sermersheim wrote: >>>>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" 12/20/00 1:16:32 PM >>> >>It's not impossible. It's just difficult. But the difficulty >>is not due to whether or not the controls are orderred or not, >>the difficulty comes from combining new controls with existing >>controls where the existing control TS could not possible >>invision the impact of all new controls. > >The latter is what I considered impossible. Not knowing about future controls, one can never specify how a given control acts in conjunction with all other related controls. Yes. This is true whether or not semantics can be based upon the ordering of controls in a sequence. >This may be the least evil thing to do, but it still offers nothing about the implicit, explicit, or simply default process-order of controls. Which, IMO, is a good thing. The specification of control semantics, including how controls may be combined and, if so, whether ordering of controls within the sequence matters, is left to documents describing the controls. >It may be useful to say that controls are to be processed in the order that they appear in the sequence unless otherwise specified. OTOH, saying that much might cause immediate non-conformance of existing clients and servers. I believe it best for RFC 2251 to provide only a syntax for extensions but to defer specification of semantics to documents detailing the extensions. 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From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 22 11:46:30 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA06948 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMGaT322868; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBMGe6I07358; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:40:06 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:40:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:38:51 -0700 From: "Steve Sonntag" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: draft Java-api-12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_227956B0.88E9A014" Resent-Message-ID: <"HfMnoD.A.GuB.WP4Q6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_227956B0.88E9A014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it sounds like that what it implies - the API never initiates a message with message ID of 0. =20 If an application performs an extended operation with messageID 0, is it allways possible for the API to distinguish responses to the extended operation from unsolicited notifications? -Steve >>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" 21-Dec-00 1:57:01 PM >>> At 01:30 PM 12/21/00 -0700, Steven Sonntag wrote: >Rob Weltman wrote: > >> It might be better instead to eliminate the current unsolicited >> notification methods and instead have methods to add and remove >> listeners for usolicited notifications. The implementation can then >> discard unsolicited notifications if there are no listeners. For >> example (I haven't thought this through completely yet): >> >> LDAPConnection >> >> public LDAPResponseListener addUnsolicitedNotificationListener( >> LDAPResponseListener listener ) >> >> public void removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener( >> LDAPResponseListener listener ) >> >> Rob >> > >It seems natural to me that if unsolicited notifications are enabled on >a >listener, that the method LDAPListener.getMessageIDs() would include >message ID 0 in the list of message IDs, and that >LDAPConnection.abandon(0) >and LDAPConnection.abandon(listener) could be used to removeUnsolicited >notifications from a listener or listeners. This raises some questions. > >1) Should getMessageIDs show messageID 0 when unsolicited notification >are enabled? (My vote is yes) > >2) Should the draft allow abandon to be used to remove unsolicited >notifications? >(this means that message ID 0 is treated like a message that never >completes) > >3) If number two is allowed, is removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener() >necessary? Is there a API requirement that requests are not generated with message id 0 (as allowed within the protocol)? Kurt --=_227956B0.88E9A014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, it sounds like that what it implies - the API=20 never
initiates a message with message ID of 0.  =
If an application performs an extended operation
with messageID 0, is it allways possible for the API
to distinguish responses to the extended operation
from unsolicited notifications?
 
-Steve
 
>>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" <Kurt@OpenLDAP.org> 21-Dec-00 = 1:57:01=20 PM >>>
At 01:30 PM 12/21/00 -0700, Steven Sonntag=20 wrote:


>Rob Weltman wrote:
>
>>   = It=20 might be better instead to eliminate the current unsolicited
>>=20= notification methods and instead have methods to add and remove
>>= =20 listeners for usolicited notifications. The implementation can then
>= >=20 discard unsolicited notifications if there are no listeners. For
>>= ;=20 example (I haven't thought this through completely yet):
>>
>= ;>=20 LDAPConnection
>>
>> public LDAPResponseListener=20 addUnsolicitedNotificationListener(
>> LDAPResponseListener = listener=20 )
>>
>> public void=20 removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener(
>> LDAPResponseListener = listener=20 )
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>It seems natural = to me=20 that if unsolicited notifications are enabled on
>a
>listener, = that=20 the method LDAPListener.getMessageIDs() would include
>message ID 0 = in the=20 list of message IDs, and that
>LDAPConnection.abandon(0)
>and= =20 LDAPConnection.abandon(listener) could be used to=20 removeUnsolicited
>notifications from a listener or listeners.  = This=20 raises some questions.
>
>1) Should getMessageIDs show = messageID 0=20 when unsolicited notification
>are enabled?  (My vote is=20 yes)
>
>2) Should the draft allow abandon to be used to = remove=20 unsolicited
>notifications?
>(this means that message ID 0 = is=20 treated like a message that never
>completes)
>
>3) If = number=20 two is allowed, is=20 removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener()
>necessary?

Is there = a API=20 requirement that requests are not generated with
message id 0 (as = allowed=20 within the protocol)?

Kurt


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Greetings,

(Cross-posted to ietf-ldapext and ietf-else per request.  All subsequent
 discussions should take place on ietf-else).

Sorry for the delay in posting this.

Attendees: 17

The following items were brought up, discussed, and voted upon for their
relative importance.  They are presented here in order of their vote tallies.
Votes were taken by a show of hands to establish everyone's relative
importance of the item.  Categories for importance were: Can't live without
(CL), Nice to have (Ni), No interest (No), harmful (i.e. contrary to some other
working group or effort) (Harm).

All items that were listed as "Can't live without" or "Nice to have"
were then discussed to see who could possibly author a draft on the topic.
People who accepted the work are listed in the right hand column
of the table.

Description                          CL  Ni  No  Harm Responsible for I-D

procedures for merging and updating  14   0   0  0    Tim Hahn
schema, including a discussion on                     Ludvic Poitou
removing existing schema and                          Mark Hinkley
understanding when schema elements
can be deleted

determine the allowable changes to    8   4   0  0    Mark Hinkley
existing schema elements, define                      Tim Hahn to get Bob
"do no harm" operations, include a                       Moore's document
discussion of implications for
existing data

define extensions to attribute type   7   5   0  0    Jim Sermersheim
and object class ABNF to allow for                    Ludvic Poitou
specification of "unique" and                         Roger Harrison
"referential integrity"

define procedures for partitioning,   6   7   0  0    Tim Hahn
i.e. show how different schemas can                   Mark Meredith
be applied to different areas of
the DIT

updating and removing existing        4   7   0  0    to be handled in the
schemas                                                first item above

define a way for ensuring unique      4   5   0  0    Mortezza Ansari
attribute type and object class                       Bob Joslin
names (not just OIDs)

discovery of attribute type options   3  10   0  0    Jim Sermersheim
that are allowable in a server (was                   Mark Wahl
an oversight in LDAPv3 RFCs)

grouping of LDAP schema pieces,       0  13   1  0    no one assigned as there
packages of schema, listing                           exists an Informational
dependencies between schema                           RFC 2927 to describe one
packages, versioning schema                           approach
packages

define how to describe schema as      0   8   1  0    Roger Harrison
"first class objects" instead of                      Brian Jarvis
"structured types".

define additional attributes for      0   7   0  0    Steven Legg
subschemasubentry.  Attributes such
as ditContentRules are ill-defined
in the current RFCs.  This work
would clarify their definition
and usage

guide LDUP WG on how to replicate     0   0   0  17
schema

Target is March 1, 2001 for draft submissions.  This will allow review
at next IETF meeting in Minneapolis.

Ellen Stokes will post ELSE mailing list information to the LDAPext mailing
list.

Tim Hahn to post these notes to LDAPext mailing list.

E-mail addresses of responsible people above:

Mark Hinckley           mhinckley@novell.com
Brian Jarvis            bjarvis@internap.com
Steven Legg             steven.legg@adacel.com.au
Bob Joslin              bob_joslin@hp.com
Morteza Ansari          morteza@eng.sun.com
Ludovic Poitou          ludovic.poitou@sun.com
Richard Megginson       richm@netscape.com
Roger Harrison          roger_harrison@novell.com
Mark Meredith           mmeredith@novell.com
Tim Hahn                hahnt@us.ibm.com
Ed Reed                 eer@oncalldba.com
Dale Olds               dold@turbolinux.com
Jim Sermersheim         jimse@novell.com

Regards,
Tim Hahn

Internet: hahnt@us.ibm.com
Internal: Timothy Hahn/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS or IBMUSM00(HAHNT)
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fax: 607.752.3681 --=_alternative 000C63A9852569BE_=-- From list@netscape.com Sat Dec 23 02:02:09 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA29998 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBN6q7323581; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBN70Y216678; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:00:34 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:00:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:36:40 -0700 From: "Roger Harrison" To: "Haripriya S" , Cc: , "Jim Sermersheim" Subject: Re: Returning Partial Results for an operation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_3F644C64.BDDC96B1" Resent-Message-ID: <"d4BrJB.A.UEE.R2ER6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_3F644C64.BDDC96B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurt, I, too, have been considering the same thing because there are times when = it would be very nice to know an abandon has been received and handled.=20 In a conversation I had with Haripriya, I suggested just such a thing, and = Haripriya suggested using a control to request a response for an abandon = operation. It sounds like Jim wouldn't mind seeing something in this area = as well. Should we write something up? If so, do you have an opinion as = to whether we should use a new extended abandon-with-response operation or = a control on the current abandon operation? Roger >>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga" 12/20/00 09:35PM >>>=20 At 09:44 PM 12/20/00 -0700, Haripriya S wrote:=20 >Yes but it would then mandate that the server MUST send partial results = per entry immediately, and cannot bunch results even if a client wishes = so, because the state cannot be conveyed once an abandon is received.=20 Abandon semantics also require the server to defer returning=20 return results of operations issues subsequent to the abandon=20 operation until the operation being abandoned has been=20 abandoned or has completed.=20 For this reason, I have been considering specifying a new=20 abandon operation which, like the X.500 abandon operation,=20 has a response.=20 Kurt=20 --=_3F644C64.BDDC96B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kurt,
 
I, too, have been considering the same thing because = there are=20 times when it would be very nice to know an abandon has been received = and=20 handled.
 
In a conversation I had with Haripriya, I suggested = just such=20 a thing, and Haripriya suggested using a control to request a response for = an=20 abandon operation. It sounds like Jim wouldn't mind seeing something in = this=20 area as well.  Should we write something up? If so, do you have an = opinion=20 as to whether we should use a new extended abandon-with-response operation = or a=20 control on the current abandon operation?
 
Roger

>>> "Kurt D. Zeilenga"=20 <Kurt@OpenLDAP.org> 12/20/00 09:35PM >>>
At 09:44 PM = 12/20/00=20 -0700, Haripriya S wrote:
>Yes but it would then mandate that the = server=20 MUST send partial results per entry immediately, and cannot bunch results = even=20 if a client wishes so, because the state cannot be conveyed once an = abandon is=20 received.

Abandon semantics also require the server to defer = returning=20
return results of operations issues subsequent to the abandon =
operation=20 until the operation being abandoned has been
abandoned or has = completed.=20

For this reason, I have been considering specifying a new =
abandon=20 operation which, like the X.500 abandon operation,
has a response.=20

Kurt

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------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- From list@netscape.com Sat Dec 23 18:30:34 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA07428 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBNNJx309774; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBNNSRA24294; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A45A575.8D39BE48@salford.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:27:49 -0800 From: David Chadwick Organization: University of Salford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LDAP-EXT Subject: [Fwd: Re: matched values 05] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msD3DF8B979245BCFF0A740C9D" Resent-Message-ID: <"QGL40C.A.U7F.ZUTR6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msD3DF8B979245BCFF0A740C9D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Greenblatt wrote: > > It appears to me that there is the possibility that the search results will > come back in a different order depending on how the MVO and sort controls > are processed. 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Therefore how about this for a rewording Whilst this control is applied independently of other controls, there might be interactions between etc. > Note that RFC 2891 requires the following processing method for > multi-valued attributes: when an entry happens to have multiple values for > that attribute and no other controls are present that affect the sorting > order, then the server SHOULD use the least value (according to the > ORDERING rule for that attribute). > > So, I would require the MVO to be processed BEFORE the sort > control. Otherwise, the sorted entries may turn out to be no longer sorted. Clause 4 does state For these reasons it is recommended that the ValuesReturnFilter control in a SearchRequest SHOULD precede other controls that affect the number and ordering of SearchResultEntrys. However what you are suggesting is that the server processing of controls acts independently of the ordering of the controls in the request. 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Having a control signal that an additional protocol element (a response) be sent doesn't seem as "clean" as using an extended operation where a request and response are both defined protocol elements. I can't phrase my thoughts on this any better than that but hopefully this makes sense to most of you. Regards, Tim Hahn Internet: hahnt@us.ibm.com Internal: Timothy Hahn/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS or IBMUSM00(HAHNT) phone: 607.752.6388 tie-line: 8/852.6388 fax: 607.752.3681 --=_alternative 00414B19852569C2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi all,

When I read the two alternatives, the extended operation seemed to be a "better fit" than using a control on an abandon.

Having a control signal that an additional protocol element (a response) be sent doesn't seem as "clean" as using an extended operation where a request and response are both defined protocol elements.  I can't phrase my thoughts on this any better than that but hopefully this makes sense to most of you.
Regards,
Tim Hahn

Internet: hahnt@us.ibm.com
Internal: Timothy Hahn/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS or IBMUSM00(HAHNT)
phone: 607.752.6388     tie-line: 8/852.6388
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From list@netscape.com Wed Dec 27 22:52:52 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA29927 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS3gF328312; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBS3onE09177; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:50:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:50:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A4AB98C.3840259@worldspot.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:54:52 -0800 From: Rob Weltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,sv,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Sermersheim CC: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Java API: LDAPMessage accessor for LDAPException References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nkA64.A.HPC.YirS6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Sermersheim wrote: > > I've heard a couple people ask how to solve this problem with synchronous calls: > > Client sends an extended operation to server. Server returns with extended response but an error condition is present. An LDAPException is thrown and caught by the application, but there is no way to read the extended response. > > Can we add a new method to LDAPException -- public LDAPMessage getLDAPMessage()? It would return null if no LDAPMessage is associated with the response. > > To date I've told people to use the async methods, but I'd rather the problem just be fixed. > > Jim Jim, In what cases is there a valid response message as well as an error condition? For the other operation types there is either one or the other. Rob From list@netscape.com Thu Dec 28 00:51:54 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA01190 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS5fB304825; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBS5nj628480; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:49:45 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:49:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A4AD557.38B107D6@worldspot.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:53:27 -0800 From: Rob Weltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,sv,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Sonntag CC: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: draft Java-api-12 References: <0001DE1C@prv-mail21.provo.novell.com> <3A426869.7F8C44C0@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vemar.A.u8G.4RtS6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven Sonntag wrote: > > Rob Weltman wrote: > > > It might be better instead to eliminate the current unsolicited > > notification methods and instead have methods to add and remove > > listeners for usolicited notifications. 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(My vote is yes) > > 2) Should the draft allow abandon to be used to remove unsolicited > notifications? > (this means that message ID 0 is treated like a message that never > completes) > > 3) If number two is allowed, is removeUnsolicitedNotificationListener() > necessary? > > -Steve I think it is easier for a client to handle unsolicited notifications as out-of-band events rather than lumped together with "normal" solicited responses. In almost all cases I would expect a client to want to know immediately that an unsolicited notification had arrived rather than having to poll and distinguish between solicited and unsolicited notifications. The event listener model reflects the paradigm of immediate out-of-band notification of unsolicited messages. Having the unsolicited messages ALSO appear in the normal message queue is confusing, error-prone, and not very useful as far as I can tell. 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YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order filling by e- mail! The product is informational and instructional material. Keys to the secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic world of E-COMMERCE, the information highway, the wave of the future!!! PLAN SUMMARY: 1. You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each). They come to you by e-mail. 2. Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report # 1 and move the other names down. 3. Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other major search engines to locate hundreds of bulk e-mail service companies (search for "Bulk e-mail" and have them send 25,000 - 50,000 e-mails for you.) Cost about $49+ depending on the company. 4. Orders will come to you by postal mail- simply e-mail them the Report they ordered. Let me ask you; isn't this about as easy as it gets? By the way there are over 50 MILLION e-mail addresses with millions more joining the internet each year so don't worry about "running out" or "saturation". People are used to seeing and hearing the same advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times have you received the same pizza flyers on your door: Then one day you are hungry for pizza and you order one; same thing with this letter. I received this letter many times, then one day I decided it was time to try it. YOU CAN START TODAY; JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS: STEP #1. ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so you can send them to the 1000's of people who will order them from you. STEP # 2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER a. look below for the listing of the four reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, delete the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle. c. Move the name and address under REPORT # 3 down to REPORT # 4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT # 2 down to REPORT # 3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT # 1 down to REPORT # 2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT # 1 position. Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY!!! STEP # 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names , and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to these instructions. Now you are ready to use this entire e-mail to send by e-mail to prospects. Report # 1 will tell you how to download bulk e-mail software and e-mail addresses so you can send it out to thousands of people while you sleep! Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20 and the initial bulk mailing cost). You obviously already have a computer and an Internet connection and e-mailing is FREE!! There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD # 1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved e-mail out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% (1/2%) response. The response could be much better. Also, many people will e-mail out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000 (why stop at 2,000?) But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT # 1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT # 2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT # 3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT # 4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,500!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that , and more!! METHOD # 2: PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1st level: your first 10 send you $5 for a total of $50 2nd level: 10 members from those 10 ($5 X 100) for a total of $500 3rd level: 10 members from those 100 ($5 X 1,000) for a total of $5,000 4th level: 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 X 10,000) for a total of $50,000 $$$$$$$$$$$$THIS TOTALS---------$55,550 $$$$$$$$$$$$$ AMAZING ISN'T IT? Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate!! Most people get 100's of participants and many will continue to work this program, sending out programs WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT!! People are going to get e-mails about this plan from you or somebody else and many will work this plan - the question is: Don't you want your name to be on the e-mails they send out? ***DON'T MISS OUT!!!*** JUST TRY IT ONCE!!*** ***SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!***YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!*** ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS NOW! Note: ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper write: a. The number & name of the report you are ordering. b. Your e-mail address. c. Your name & postal address. REPORT # 1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT # 1 FROM: K.C. Greeves 43510 Shalimar Pointe Terr Leesburg,Va 20176 REPORT # 2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-Mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT # 2 FROM: C.J. Barnum 114 Plum Way N Mattawa,Wa 99349 REPORT # 3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT # 3 FROM: Dean Earl HC 66 Box 317 R Kooskia,Idaho 83539 REPORT # 4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" Ellen May 2589 Northy Robinhood Place Orange,Ca 92867 ******************TIPS FOR SUCCESS******************** TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in, because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. It is required for this to be a legal business and they need the reports to send out their letters (with your name on them!) ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. Be patient and persistent with this program...if you follow the instructions exactly; results WILL FOLLOW$$$ ******************YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES*************** Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success. If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT # 1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT # 2 If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. To generate more income, simply send another batch of e- mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again.! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program, PLEASE answer one question. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? If the answer is no, then please look at the following facts about this super simple MLM program: 1. NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory, NO telephone calls, NO big cost to start, Nothing to learn, NO skills needed!! (Surely you know how to send e-mail!) 2. NO equipment to buy; you already have a computer and internet connection; so you have everything you need to fill orders! 3. You are selling a product which does NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE OR SHIP! (e-mailing copies of the reports is FREE!) 4. All of your customers pay you in CA$H! This program will change your LIFE FOREVER!!! Look at the potential for you to be able to work a super-high paying leisurely easy business from home! $$$$FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE!$$$ ACT NOW! Take your first step toward achieving financial independence. Order the reports and follow the program outlined above: SUCCESS will be your reward. Thank you for your time and consideration. PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency) 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings are highly dependent on your activities and advertising. The information contained on this site and in the reports constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington, DC. Under Bill s.1618 TITLE 111 passed by the 105th US Congress, this letter cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method of removal. This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is necessary. From list@netscape.com Fri Dec 29 05:03:58 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id FAA08521 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 05:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBT9l6328990; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBTA0os15774; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:00:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:00:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:00:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012291000.eBTA0aD04157@ywing.netscape.com> From: dbtfree2000@FIPN.usa.net To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Subject: So, How Have You Been? 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This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the United States, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show that 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. Why shouldn't you be one of those people?? You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and deadpanned his response: "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" "The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave it some thought and took the time to study it. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, theyjust got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725- 2161...24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided 'WHY NOT'? Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my first list of addresses. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, my only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, and I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it made me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much-needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work and you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 180 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that an amateur could, not have created such a program, and one that is legal. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those of us who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way, it works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity for you to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! THINK ABOUT IT. Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS: INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 180 days. Before you say, "bull****", Please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA, and every province in Canada allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). -- For each report, send $5.00 CASH (USD), the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the personwhose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! -- When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. -- Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT!! DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps a-f or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! Plus, there are many companies on the Internet that have lists of available e-mail addresses for sale for about $15 per 10,000. Addresses of people that want to learn of new money making and business opportunities like this one. There are two primary methods of building your down line: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of that 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e- mailing; tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the Internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response). Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1st level--your 10 members with $5.............................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)...........$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)........$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).....$50,000 THIS TOTALS ------------------------------------------------------------$55,550 Remember friend, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! AVAILABLE REPORTS *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED. -- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL. -- Make sure the $5 cash is concealed, by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) The number & name of the report you are ordering (b) Your e-mail address, and (c) Your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: REPORT #1a "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1a FROM: DAVE TALTY P.O. Box 51 Rochester, MA 02770 NOTE: I, (and every member listed below), am DEDICATED to helping you with this program so it will work for you also. This IS a TEAM EFFORT! We communicate by email and even by phone! TRY US!) REPORT #2a "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2a FROM: ALAN BROZ PMB 263 620 Sea Island Road St Simons Island, GA 31522 REPORT #3a "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3a FROM: BETTY SANDRIDGE P.O. Box 4404 Roanoke VA 24015 REPORT #4a "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4a FROM: LANCE DENTON a.k.a (Debtfighter) 100 WILDWOOD RD ROCKPORT TX 78382 About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* 1. TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. 2. Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. 3. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. 4. Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! 5. ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which reports people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program, please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. You are selling a product, which does not cost anything to PRODUCE, SHIP OR ADVERTISE. 2. All of your customers pay you in CASH! 3. E-mail is without question the most powerful method of distributing information on Earth. This program combines the distribution power of e-mail, together with the revenue generating power of multi-level marketing. 4. Virtually all of the income you generate from this program is PURE PROFIT! 5. This program will change your LIFE FOREVER. ACT NOW! Take your first step toward achieving financial independence. Order the reports and follow the program outlined above SUCCESS will be your reward. Thank you for your time and consideration. PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency) 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to your questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings are highly dependant on your activities and advertising. The information contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guarantee, neither stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates only. 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From list@netscape.com Sun Dec 31 23:32:11 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA12089 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from aka.mcom.com (aka.mcom.com [205.217.237.180]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f014Ln314600; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from list@localhost) by aka.mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f014USs23398; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:30:28 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:30:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:29:46 -0700 From: "Jim Sermersheim" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Java API: LDAPMessage accessor for LDAPException Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aka.mcom.com id f014UQv23374 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZXdcF.A.UtF.jfAU6"@glacier> Resent-From: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ietf-ldapext-request@netscape.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rob, There are (perhaps) dozens of extended operations that are not described in Internet-Drafts. Some of these, as well as possible future IETF documented extended operatoins, have the ability to not only return one of the well known (and limited) LDAP error values, but return other "extended" error information as well (in the value of the extended resonse). There must be some way of reading the information returned in the extended operation PDU whether or not an error value is present. To make the case more simple, the Java API is not allowing the client to read the entire allowable set of data being sent by the server. Jim >>> Rob Weltman 12/27/00 8:54:52 PM >>> Jim Sermersheim wrote: > > I've heard a couple people ask how to solve this problem with synchronous calls: > > Client sends an extended operation to server. Server returns with extended response but an error condition is present. An LDAPException is thrown and caught by the application, but there is no way to read the extended response. > > Can we add a new method to LDAPException -- public LDAPMessage getLDAPMessage()? It would return null if no LDAPMessage is associated with the response. > > To date I've told people to use the async methods, but I'd rather the problem just be fixed. > > Jim Jim, In what cases is there a valid response message as well as an error condition? For the other operation types there is either one or the other. Rob