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It's come to my attention that draft-ietf-ldup-infomod-07
has a normative reference to draft-zeilenga-ldap-subentry-07.  

Since the informod authors are trying to clean up infomod for publication,
what's your plans for publishing this draft?

Thanks, 
Ryan (for the infomod authors)


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At 03:25 AM 8/6/2003, Ryan Moats wrote:

>It's come to my attention that draft-ietf-ldup-infomod-07
>has a normative reference to draft-zeilenga-ldap-subentry-07.  
>
>Since the informod authors are trying to clean up infomod for publication,
>what's your plans for publishing this draft?

The subentry I-D should soon appear in the RFC Editor's queue...

Kurt 



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Sorry for the delay in getting these out, I had a family emergency. Please
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thanks and kind regards,
John


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All right, let's try again after I had some coffee. ;-)
 
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Sorry for the delay in getting these out, I had a family emergency. Please
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John


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LDAP Duplication/Replication/Update Protocols WG (ldup)
Tuesday, July 15, at 1300-1400
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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CHAIRS:	Chris Apple <capple@dsi-consulting.net>
		John Strassner <john.strassner@intelliden.com>=20

Minutes taken by:  John Strassner

The meeting was run according to the posted agenda. The meeting
minutes therefore mirror the agenda topics.

LDAP Duplication/Replication/Update Protocols WG (ldup)

Tuesday, July 15 at 1300-1400=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

CHAIRS: Chris Apple <capple@dsi-consulting.net>
                John Strassner <john.strassner@intelliden.com>

AGENDA:

1) Agenda Additions?

No additions were asked for, so the meeting proceeded according to the =
agenda.

2) LCUP WG Last Call & Status
 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-lcup-05.txt

No further discussion occurred on this document.

3) Remaining WG Documents

InfoMod Draft
 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-infomod-07.txt

Rick Huber presented slides describing the progress of this draft.
This presentation reflects the new group of authors that are=20
picking up the work. The authors presented a number of questions to
the working group involving various attributes defined in the draft.
The first was whether the two RootDSA attributes are really useful.
They were originally defined to help discovery, but the classes all
have unique names, so this need is no longer crucial. Steven Legg
proposed removing them, and people in the meeting agreed. No one=20
asked to have them left in the draft. Thus, since the MRM draft will
by definition discover any problems with these or other similar=20
attributes not being defined in the draft, it was decided to remove
these for the next revision of the draft.

Other attributes =96 attributeExclusionFilter, =
attributeInclusionFilter,
secondsToWaitDefault, and secondsToWait2 =96 were defined as=20
disallowing user modification. This didn=92t seem like a good idea, and
the working group agreed. The new draft will change this as well.

The next subject was whether multiple replicas can exist at the same
context root (see slide 2 of the presentation). This would=20
facilitate copying replica information. Slide 3 shows an alternative.
The working group preferred slide 2.

General Usage Profile Draft
 =
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-usage-profile-05.txt=


The main work done on this draft since the last meeting was to go
through the draft and clean up references. In doing so, two issues
arose. The first involved the status of the locate draft. The status
on this draft is that it went through Last Call, and was reviewed by
the IESG. The IESG had some technical issues with the draft. Bob=20
Morgan will try and update this draft as soon as possible, probably
one month from now. Kurt thought that it depended on 2247bis, and=20
that it shouldn=92t be normative. Since the Usage Profile is=20
informational, it doesn=92t need to be held up by this draft.

The other problem was a reference to the taxonomy draft. Note that
CRISP also has a reference to taxonomy. Roland said that he and
Ryan would try and update taxonomy by mid-August. Thus, it was
agreed that the reference to locate could be removed, and the
authors would wait to see if taxonomy was indeed updated by=20
mid August.

MRM Draft
 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-mrm-02.txt

This draft needs to wait for the InfoMod draft to complete. Then, it
can be updated. Kurt was uncomfortable with the word =93Mandatory=94 in
the title of the draft because of its implications. It was agreed to
change the title to =93Replica Management=94, but to keep the file name
the same for administrative reasons.

Architecture draft
 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-model-08.txt

Uppili sent a note to the chairs providing the following status=20
(since he was unable to attend). He will be submitting a draft=20
shortly that in his opinion will be ready for last call.=20

Jerry Maziarsky and Uppili have discussed the following four types
of edits that must be fixed before the document is ready for=20
consideration for last call. The first is that the discussions on=20
different deployment configurations (single vs multi-master) and
consistency models (synchronous vs asynchronous) should be=20
separated and cleaned up. The second is that the architecture=20
implies that the DITs of replicating directories have to be=20
symmetric, but in actuality only the areas under replication need=20
be.  The third is that the document should include discussion on=20
how nodes are added, deleted or upgraded without adversely=20
affecting total system up-time, since one of the objectives of=20
replication is high availability. The final edit is that they need
to clarify whether LDUP scope is only among homogenous DSAs (same
vendor) or it supports heterogeneous DSAs (multi-vendor).=20
The authors believe that it is heterogeneous.=09

URP Draft
 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-urp-07.txt

The URP Draft is waiting for InfoMod to complete. Then, Steven will
check all references and submit the document for final group Last Call.

URP Draft
 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-protocol-04.txt

An update of this draft will be issued shortly.

4) Any Other Business

As there was no other business, the meeting concluded.

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On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 03:54:25PM -0600, John Strassner wrote:
| All right, let's try again after I had some coffee. ;-)
|  
| -----Original Message-----
| From: John Strassner [mailto:John.Strassner@intelliden.com] 
| Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:39 PM
| To: ietf-ldup@imc.org
| Subject: Draft LDUP Meeting Minutes
| Importance: High
| 
| Sorry for the delay in getting these out, I had a family emergency. Please
| look them over and send any corrections/additions asap, and I'll forward to
| the IETF.
|  
| thanks and kind regards,
| John
| 
| John Strassner
| Chief Strategy Officer
| Intelliden Corporation
| 90 South Cascade Avenue
| Colorado Springs, CO  80903  USA
| phone: +1.719.785.0648
|   FAX: +1.719.785.0644
| email: john.strassner@intelliden.com
|   
| LDAP Duplication/Replication/Update Protocols WG (ldup)
| Tuesday, July 15, at 1300-1400
| ===============================
| CHAIRS:	Chris Apple <capple@dsi-consulting.net>
| 		John Strassner <john.strassner@intelliden.com> 
| 
| Minutes taken by:  John Strassner
| 
| The meeting was run according to the posted agenda. The meeting
| minutes therefore mirror the agenda topics.
| 
| LDAP Duplication/Replication/Update Protocols WG (ldup)
| 
| Tuesday, July 15 at 1300-1400 
| ================================
| 
| CHAIRS: Chris Apple <capple@dsi-consulting.net>
|                 John Strassner <john.strassner@intelliden.com>
| 
| AGENDA:
| 
| 1) Agenda Additions?
| 
| No additions were asked for, so the meeting proceeded according to the agenda.
| 
| 2) LCUP WG Last Call & Status
|  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-lcup-05.txt
| 
| No further discussion occurred on this document.
| 
| 3) Remaining WG Documents
| 
| InfoMod Draft
|  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-infomod-07.txt
| 
| Rick Huber presented slides describing the progress of this draft.
| This presentation reflects the new group of authors that are 
| picking up the work. The authors presented a number of questions to
| the working group involving various attributes defined in the draft.
| The first was whether the two RootDSA attributes are really useful.
| They were originally defined to help discovery, but the classes all
| have unique names, so this need is no longer crucial. Steven Legg
| proposed removing them, and people in the meeting agreed. No one 
| asked to have them left in the draft. Thus, since the MRM draft will
| by definition discover any problems with these or other similar 
| attributes not being defined in the draft, it was decided to remove
| these for the next revision of the draft.
| 
| Other attributes – attributeExclusionFilter, attributeInclusionFilter,
| secondsToWaitDefault, and secondsToWait2 – were defined as 
| disallowing user modification. This didn’t seem like a good idea, and
| the working group agreed. The new draft will change this as well.
| 
| The next subject was whether multiple replicas can exist at the same
| context root (see slide 2 of the presentation). This would 
| facilitate copying replica information. Slide 3 shows an alternative.
| The working group preferred slide 2.
| 
| General Usage Profile Draft
|  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ldup-usage-profile-05.txt
| 
| The main work done on this draft since the last meeting was to go
| through the draft and clean up references. In doing so, two issues
| arose. The first involved the status of the locate draft. The status
| on this draft is that it went through Last Call, and was reviewed by
| the IESG. The IESG had some technical issues with the draft. Bob 
| Morgan will try and update this draft as soon as possible, probably
| one month from now. Kurt thought that it depended on 2247bis, and 
| that it shouldn’t be normative. Since the Usage Profile is 
| informational, it doesn’t need to be held up by this draft.
| 
| The other problem was a reference to the taxonomy draft. Note that
| CRISP also has a reference to taxonomy. Roland said that he and
| Ryan would try and update taxonomy by mid-August. Thus, it was
| agreed that the reference to locate could be removed, and the
| authors would wait to see if taxonomy was indeed updated by 
| mid August.

If by "update", someone means "reissue" then I'm ok with this.  If by
"update" someone means "update and go back through the process" then I have
problems.  My notes are that taxonomy has cleared all the hurdles (read:
its in the RFC editors queue waiting for locate).  If locate isn't going
anywhere, working on taxonomy is not worth the time, because of the
hidden dependency.

Ryan


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