From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu May 1 21:31:59 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21400 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h421cIV27446 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:38:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h421cI827441 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:38:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21390 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BPQi-00017T-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 May 2003 21:33:40 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BPQh-00017I-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 01 May 2003 21:33:39 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h421c5827418; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:38:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h421bd827394 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:37:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA21363 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BPQ6-000171-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 01 May 2003 21:33:02 -0400 Received: from patan.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19BPQ0-00016r-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 01 May 2003 21:32:56 -0400 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.58.198]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3p2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15791 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 19:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.58.120]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HE80019FK8QHC@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 01 May 2003 19:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sun.com ([192.18.127.234]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HE800JLKK8QN2@mail.sun.net> for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 01 May 2003 19:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:31:38 -0700 From: "Jonathan T. Hawkins" To: lemonade@ietf.org Message-id: <3EB1CA79.7CAE60D9@sun.com> Organization: Sun ONE - A Division of Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vWp45peRwMYjjLKw9FkpSQ)" X-Accept-Language: rs1_e48b1af90ad, rs2_14901981695, rs3_e0801f426d Subject: [lemonade] future delivery Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_vWp45peRwMYjjLKw9FkpSQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gf6KqA598VOsuewDDkPK7A)" --Boundary_(ID_gf6KqA598VOsuewDDkPK7A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I just joined this work group. This is my first time to particpate in IETF, so please accept my apologies ahead of time if I miss something. 3.3 Future Delivery Traditionally messages sent with "future delivery" are held in the recipients client "outbox" or equivalent until the appointed submission time. Think clients used for WEB or TUI do not have such persistent storage and must rely upon server-based outbox queues. Such support requires extensions to message submission protocols to identify a message as requiring queuing for future delivery. Extensions to IMAP4 or conventions are required to view and manipulate the outbound queue, for such purposes as cancelling a future message. Server support for managing such a queue is required such that message are sent when they are intended. My thoughts after reading this is are the following: IMHO, thin mail clients would submit messages via a transport protocol (i.e. SMTP), rather than IMAP (which is an access protocol). I do realize some clients submit messages via IMAP for things like archival (the ever present "sent folder"). Robustness of the above might be in question. Typically, IMAP implementations do not include "store and forward" and "alternative path" capabilities of protocols such as SMTP. Would the deferred delivery marker (date of delivery) be designated by the submission protocol (i.e. SMTP option) or part of the message encapsulation (i.e. a particular message header)? One concept I think you stepped over is that by having an IMAP folder for outbound mail, the user can selectively remove (or cancel) messages to be future delivered. This would promote compatability with regular IMAP clients. --Boundary_(ID_gf6KqA598VOsuewDDkPK7A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,

I just joined this work group.  This is my first time to particpate in IETF, so please accept my apologies ahead of time if I miss something.

    3.3 Future Delivery

       Traditionally messages sent with "future delivery" are held in the
       recipients client "outbox" or equivalent until the appointed submission
       time.  Think clients used for WEB or TUI do not have such
       persistent storage and must rely upon server-based outbox queues.

       Such support requires extensions to message submission protocols to
       identify a message as requiring queuing for future delivery.  Extensions
       to IMAP4 or conventions are required to view and manipulate the outbound
       queue, for such purposes as cancelling a future message.  Server support
       for managing such a queue is required such that message are sent when
       they are intended.

My thoughts after reading this is are the following:
IMHO, thin mail clients would submit messages via a transport protocol (i.e. SMTP),  rather than IMAP (which is an access protocol).  I do realize some clients submit messages via IMAP for things like archival (the ever present "sent folder").

Robustness of the above might be in question.  Typically, IMAP implementations do not include "store and forward" and "alternative path" capabilities of protocols such as SMTP.

Would the deferred delivery marker (date of delivery) be designated by the submission protocol (i.e. SMTP option) or part of the message encapsulation (i.e. a particular message header)?

One concept I think you stepped over is that by having an IMAP folder for outbound mail, the user can selectively remove (or cancel) messages to be future delivered.  This would promote compatability with regular IMAP clients. --Boundary_(ID_gf6KqA598VOsuewDDkPK7A)-- --Boundary_(ID_vWp45peRwMYjjLKw9FkpSQ) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=jonathan.hawkins.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=jonathan.hawkins.vcf Content-description: Card for Jonathan T. Hawkins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT begin:vcard n:Hawkins;Jonathan tel;cell:408-569-5651 tel;work:408-276-4245 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://viking.red.iplanet.com/users/jhawk/publish/ org:Sun ONE;Communication Products - FES version:2.1 email;internet:Jonathan.Hawkins@sun.com title:Staff Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;4150 Network Circle=0D=0ASCA15-201;Santa Clara;CA;95054;USA fn:Jonathan Hawkins end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_vWp45peRwMYjjLKw9FkpSQ)-- _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri May 9 13:04:21 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23325 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49HEM626448 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:14:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49HEM826445 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:14:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23320 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EBJf-0005vb-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 13:05:51 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EBJe-0005vX-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 13:05:50 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49HE8826419; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:14:08 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49HDA826378 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:13:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23286 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 13:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EBIV-0005uq-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 13:04:39 -0400 Received: from goalie.snowshore.com ([216.57.133.4] helo=webshield.office.snowshore.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EBIU-0005uE-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 13:04:39 -0400 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 30131; Fri, 09 May 2003 13:08:35 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:05:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E20A@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: Server-to-Server Protocol Thread-Index: AcMWTSNxRrxra5A2Q6KfDwF+Iyr0wA== From: "Eric Burger" To: "IETF LEMONADE (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h49HDA826379 Subject: [lemonade] Server-to-Server Protocol Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone care about this milestone, or can we remove it from the task list? _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri May 9 15:43:07 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29739 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h49JrCJ06964 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:53:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49JrC806961 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:53:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29733 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EDnK-0006yd-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 15:44:38 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EDnJ-0006ya-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 15:44:37 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49Jr4806935; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:53:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h49Jqn806914 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:52:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29729 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EDmx-0006yW-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 15:44:15 -0400 Received: from champdsl-25-66.mcleodusa.net ([216.43.25.66] helo=episteme-software.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EDmw-0006yP-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 09 May 2003 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from [216.43.25.67] (216.43.25.67) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server X 3.2.1b1); Fri, 9 May 2003 14:44:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E20A@zoe.office.snowshore.com> References: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E20A@zoe.office.snowshore.com> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 6.0a15] Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:44:39 -0500 To: "Eric Burger" From: Pete Resnick Subject: Re: [lemonade] Server-to-Server Protocol Cc: "IETF LEMONADE (E-mail)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 5/9/03 at 1:05 PM -0400, Eric Burger wrote: >Does anyone care about this milestone, or can we remove it from the task list? Reminding me about mail I just sent to one of my working groups.... Are you asking whether we want to re-charter? pr -- Pete Resnick QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun May 11 12:31:18 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07695 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4BFuQq31718 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:56:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4BFuQB31715 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:56:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07679 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Etkm-0001ot-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:32:48 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Etkl-0001op-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:32:47 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4BFuDB31619; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:56:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4BFgbB31259 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:42:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07468 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EtXP-0001kp-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:18:59 -0400 Received: from songbird.com ([208.184.79.7] helo=joy.songbird.com ident=root) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EtXO-0001kl-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:18:58 -0400 Received: from Vancouver-ppp3525040.sympatico.ca (208.184.79.252.songbird.com [208.184.79.252] (may be forged)) by joy.songbird.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4BGJZN16273 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 09:19:37 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:50:24 -0700 From: Dave Crocker X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.63 Beta/4) Personal Reply-To: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13293961499.20030511085024@brandenburg.com> To: "IETF LEMONADE (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [lemonade] Server-to-Server Protocol In-Reply-To: References: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E20A@zoe.office.snowshore.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pete, >>Does anyone care about this milestone, or can we remove it from the task list? PR> Reminding me about mail I just sent to one of my working groups.... PR> Are you asking whether we want to re-charter? Folks, >>Does anyone care about this milestone, or can we remove it from the task list? PR> Reminding me about mail I just sent to one of my working groups.... PR> Are you asking whether we want to re-charter? More basic issue: It has been 2 months since there have been any postings of technical substance. (An attempt on 2 May to engage in some content discussion has so far gone unanswered.) This does not bode well for working group productivity. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking Sunnyvale, CA USA , _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon May 19 14:59:43 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00975 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JISlN08190 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:28:47 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JISlB08187 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:28:47 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00957 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JIS8B08161; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:28:08 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JIRwB08133 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:27:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00935 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Hpro-0005of-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:00:12 -0400 Received: from web13606.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.117]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Hpri-0005nZ-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:00:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20030519185732.51076.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.239.65.121] by web13606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:57:32 PDT Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Marco b To: lemonade@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [lemonade] Email protocols Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I am investigating about Email protocols, do you know if there is a document containing all the email protocols and steps when sending and receiveing an email?... I would like something where all the steps are involucred and the servers that are started for every of the steps, directories, etc... I would like to know also if it is possible to do changes in the code of the file's server in linux (I know linux is an open source), if so, what are the files to check? I would like to check the files that are involucred in the email process... I know what I am asking for is very ambitous, but I need a lot of help to understand this... My best regards, I really appreciate your time, thanks a lot. Be fine. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon May 19 15:25:10 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02958 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4JIsFe10327 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:54:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JIsFB10324 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:54:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02937 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HqHF-00060k-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:26:29 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HqHE-00060g-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:26:28 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JIs4B10299; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:54:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4JIqxB10239 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 14:52:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02888 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HqF8-0005zq-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:24:19 -0400 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.33.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19HqF3-0005zZ-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 15:24:13 -0400 Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.04/8.12.1+UW02.12) with ESMTP id h4JJP4g9027506; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:25:04 -0700 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW03.04/8.12.1+UW02.12) with ESMTP id h4JJP4Q0016501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 19 May 2003 12:25:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:23:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Mark Crispin To: Marco b cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Email protocols In-Reply-To: <20030519185732.51076.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20030519185732.51076.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Organization: Networks & Distributed Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , For the type of pedagogical information that you are seeking, I recommend that you buy a copy of the book "Internet Email Protocols: A Developer's Guide", by Kevin Johnson, published by Addison Wesley, ISBN 0-201-43288-9. The LEMONADE mailing list is not a good place to be asking such questions; it is a technical discussion list, not a forum for novices. If, after reading the above book, you still have questions (and you probably will), I suggest that you ask these questions on the comp.mail.misc newsgroup. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed May 21 07:10:34 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14846 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h4LAbK805790 for lemonade-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 May 2003 06:37:20 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4LAbKB05787 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 06:37:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14843 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19IRSe-0004zu-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:08:44 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19IRSd-0004zq-00 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:08:43 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4LAbBB05534; Wed, 21 May 2003 06:37:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4LAawB05193 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 06:36:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14838 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19IRSH-0004zn-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:08:21 -0400 Received: from mail13.speakeasy.net ([216.254.0.213] helo=mail.speakeasy.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19IRSH-0004zj-00 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 21 May 2003 07:08:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 28824 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 11:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.254.124) ([66.92.168.196]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 May 2003 11:09:41 -0000 From: Dave Aronson To: Marco b Subject: Re: [lemonade] Email protocols Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:11:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030519185732.51076.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030519185732.51076.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: lemonade@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305210711.52377.dja2003@hotpop.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: lemonade-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday 19 May 2003 14:57, Marco b wrote: Mb> I am investigating about Email protocols, do you know Mb> if there is a document containing all the email Mb> protocols and steps when sending and receiveing an Mb> email?... Google is your friend. Try "internet email protocols", with quotes for most targeted results, without for the most results. Or hit http://www.ietf.org and read through all the related RFCs you can find. -- David J. Aronson, unemployed Software Engineer in Washington DC area. Go to http://destined.to/program/ for online resume, references, etc. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade