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Folks, 

As a reminder our confirmed IETF 58 slot is: 
 MONDAY, November 10, 20031300-1500 Afternoon Sessions ISalon E APP lemonade Enhancements to Internet Email to Support Diverse
Service Environments WG

As a strawman, based on the drafts in the archive, here is our current
proposed agenda:

> 	Goals (Kue)	
> 		draft-ietf-lemonade-goals-01.txt
> 
> 	Push v. Pull and IMAP v. Submit
> 		IMAP push/pull (Randy)
> 			draft-ietf-lemonade-submit-01.txt
> 			draft-royer-lemonade-submit-00.txt
> 			draft-newman-lemonade-compose-00.txt
> 		IMAP4 Extensions
> 			draft-crispin-imap-urlauth-04.txt
> 
> 	S2S Notification Requirements (Gev)
> 			draft-decktor-s2s-notif-00.txt
> 
> 	MMS Mapping (Randy)	
> 			draft-gellens-lemonade-mms-mapping-00.txt
> 
> 	Misc
> 		IMAP4 Channel (?)
> 			draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-channel-00.txt
> 			Lyndon revision of
> draft-nerenberg-imap-channel-02.txt???
> 		Mediasize (?)	
> 			draft-shveidel-mediasize-03.txt
> 		Future delivery (Greg)
> 			draft-vaudreuil-futuredelivery-01.txt
> 
> 
> 
Cheers, 
Glenn. 



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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">As a reminder our =
confirmed IETF 58 slot is: </FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">As a strawman, based =
on the drafts in the archive, here is our current proposed =
agenda:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Goals (Kue)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-ietf-lemonade-goals-01.txt</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Push v. Pull and IMAP v. =
Submit</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">IMAP push/pull (Randy)</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-ietf-lemonade-submit-01.txt</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-royer-lemonade-submit-00.txt</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-newman-lemonade-compose-00.txt</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">IMAP4 Extensions</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-crispin-imap-urlauth-04.txt</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">S2S Notification Requirements =
(Gev)</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-decktor-s2s-notif-00.txt</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">MMS Mapping =
(Randy)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-gellens-lemonade-mms-mapping-00.txt</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Monaco">Misc</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">IMAP4 Channel (?)</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-channel-00.txt</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">Lyndon revision of =
draft-nerenberg-imap-channel-02.txt???</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">Mediasize (?)&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-shveidel-mediasize-03.txt</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">Future delivery (Greg)</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Monaco">draft-vaudreuil-futuredelivery-01.txt</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
</UL></UL>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers,</FONT><FONT =
FACE=3D"Arial"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Glenn.</FONT><FONT =
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Glenn and all,
 
In the Vienna IETF, it was decided that the media-size draft will not be
part of the lemonade work and will be handled as an individual submission
instead.
 
We have updated the draft, mainly based on Chris Newman input, and will
submit a new draft ( 04 ) once the queue is opened to new submissions.
 
I will post an update to this list.
 
Regards,
Ari

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [lemonade] Agenda for IETF 58



Folks, 

As a reminder our confirmed IETF 58 slot is: 
 MONDAY, November 10, 2003 1300-1500 Afternoon Sessions I Salon E APP
lemonade Enhancements to Internet Email to Support Diverse Service
Environments WG

As a strawman, based on the drafts in the archive, here is our current
proposed agenda: 

	Goals (Kue)     
        draft-ietf-lemonade-goals-01.txt 

	Push v. Pull and IMAP v. Submit 
        IMAP push/pull (Randy) 
                draft-ietf-lemonade-submit-01.txt 
                draft-royer-lemonade-submit-00.txt 
                draft-newman-lemonade-compose-00.txt 
        IMAP4 Extensions 
                draft-crispin-imap-urlauth-04.txt 

	S2S Notification Requirements (Gev) 
                draft-decktor-s2s-notif-00.txt 

	MMS Mapping (Randy)     
                draft-gellens-lemonade-mms-mapping-00.txt 

	Misc 
        IMAP4 Channel (?) 
                draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-channel-00.txt 
                Lyndon revision of draft-nerenberg-imap-channel-02.txt??? 
        Mediasize (?)   
                draft-shveidel-mediasize-03.txt 
        Future delivery (Greg) 
                draft-vaudreuil-futuredelivery-01.txt 



Cheers, 
Glenn. 



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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=411291209-09112003>Glenn 
and all,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=411291209-09112003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=411291209-09112003>In the 
Vienna IETF, it was decided that the media-size draft will not be part of the 
lemonade work and will be handled as an individual submission 
instead.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=411291209-09112003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=411291209-09112003>We 
have updated the draft, mainly based on Chris Newman input, and will submit a 
new draft ( 04 ) once the queue is opened to new 
submissions.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=411291209-09112003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=411291209-09112003>I will 
post an update to this list.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=411291209-09112003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=411291209-09112003></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2><SPAN class=411291209-09112003>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=411291209-09112003>Ari</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2><SPAN class=411291209-09112003></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
  <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Glenn Parsons 
  [mailto:gparsons@nortelnetworks.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 08, 
  2003 12:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'lemonade@ietf.org'<BR><B>Cc:</B> 
  'eburger@snowshore.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [lemonade] Agenda for IETF 
  58<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Folks,</FONT><FONT face=Arial> 
  </FONT></P>
  <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>As a reminder our confirmed IETF 58 
  slot is: </FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;MONDAY, 
  November 10, 2003 1300-1500 Afternoon Sessions I Salon E APP lemonade 
  Enhancements to Internet Email to Support Diverse Service Environments 
  WG</FONT></P>
  <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>As a strawman, based on the drafts in 
  the archive, here is our current proposed agenda:</FONT> </P>
  <UL>
    <UL>
      <P><FONT face=Monaco size=2>Goals (Kue)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      </FONT><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-ietf-lemonade-goals-01.txt</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT face=Monaco size=2>Push v. Pull and IMAP v. Submit</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>IMAP push/pull (Randy)</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-ietf-lemonade-submit-01.txt</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-royer-lemonade-submit-00.txt</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-newman-lemonade-compose-00.txt</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>IMAP4 Extensions</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-crispin-imap-urlauth-04.txt</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT face=Monaco size=2>S2S Notification Requirements (Gev)</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-decktor-s2s-notif-00.txt</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT face=Monaco size=2>MMS Mapping (Randy)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      </FONT><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-gellens-lemonade-mms-mapping-00.txt</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT face=Monaco size=2>Misc</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>IMAP4 Channel (?)</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-channel-00.txt</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco size=2>Lyndon 
      revision of draft-nerenberg-imap-channel-02.txt???</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>Mediasize (?)&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      </FONT><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-shveidel-mediasize-03.txt</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>Future delivery (Greg)</FONT> 
      <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT face=Monaco 
      size=2>draft-vaudreuil-futuredelivery-01.txt</FONT> </P><BR><BR></UL></UL>
  <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT><FONT face=Arial> 
  </FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Glenn.</FONT><FONT 
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On 11/11/03 at 2:06 PM -0600, Greg M (Greg) Vaudreuil wrote:

>Was there an emergent consensus on the WG preferred approach to 
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I'm going to write the COMPOSE document. Randy is going to write an 
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From: "Glenn Parsons" <gparsons@nortelnetworks.com>
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Folks,

This summary is to confirm what we decided on Monday at IETF 58 and allow
confirmation by the list.

The consensus was that we want to choose one technical direction for the
forward without download requirement of the charter.  However, the room was
not comfortable making the decision without more details on the technical
details of the push model.

I suggested giving authors until this Monday, but the room was more generous
suggesting Dec 17th.  Of course, authors can have documents prepared early.
I encourage discussion on the list as soon as the documents are available.

On Dec 18th,  I propose to host a conference call to see if we have
consensus on push or pull.  The outcome of this call will be summarized for
the list so that we can reach a consensus direction before the end of the
year.

So specifically, the documents are:

IMAP push/pull comparison - author: Randy
draft-ietf-lemonade-submit-01
 - will be updated by Dec 17th
 - WG document for the chosen method and rationale
 - additional details may be included here or in separate documents

IMAP COMPOSE - author: Pete
draft-ietf-lemonade-compose
 - will be created by Dec 17th
 - WG document since used by IMAP push or pull method

IMAP pull details
    IMAP urlauth - authors:  Chris & Mark
    draft-crispin-imap-urlauth-04
    - will be updated by Dec 17th

    IMAP BURL
    draft-newman-lemonade-compose-00
    - will be updated by Dec 17th

IMAP push details - author: Randy
draft-gellens-lemonade-imap-push
- will be created by Dec 17th

Cheers,
Glenn.


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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Folks,</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">This summary is to =
confirm what we decided on Monday at IETF 58 and allow confirmation by =
the list.</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The consensus was =
that we want to choose one technical direction for the forward without =
download requirement of the charter.&nbsp; However, the room was not =
comfortable making the decision without more details on the technical =
details of the push model.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I suggested giving =
authors until this Monday, but the room was more generous suggesting =
Dec 17th.&nbsp; Of course, authors can have documents prepared =
early.&nbsp; I encourage discussion on the list as soon as the =
documents are available.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">On Dec 18th,&nbsp; I =
propose to host a conference call to see if we have consensus on push =
or pull.&nbsp; The outcome of this call will be summarized for the list =
so that we can reach a consensus direction before the end of the =
year.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">So specifically, the =
documents are:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IMAP push/pull =
comparison - author: Randy</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">draft-ietf-lemonade-submit-01</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;- will be =
updated by Dec 17th</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;- WG document =
for the chosen method and rationale</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;- additional =
details may be included here or in separate documents</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IMAP COMPOSE - =
author: Pete</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">draft-ietf-lemonade-compose</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;- will be =
created by Dec 17th</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;- WG document =
since used by IMAP push or pull method</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IMAP pull =
details</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
IMAP urlauth - authors:&nbsp; Chris &amp; Mark</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
draft-crispin-imap-urlauth-04</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
- will be updated by Dec 17th</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
IMAP BURL</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
draft-newman-lemonade-compose-00</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
- will be updated by Dec 17th</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">IMAP push details - =
author: Randy</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">draft-gellens-lemonade-imap-push</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">- will be created =
by Dec 17th</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers,</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Glenn.</FONT>
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Hello,

I have updated the SMTP MediaSize extension draft. For some reason, the
standard notification message was not posted to the lists, so I am posting
it "manually".

Many thanks to Chris Newman who contributed most of the feedback for this
version of the draft, as a preparation for last call.

If no major feedback is received within the next 2 weeks, I would like to
send it for IESG last call as an individual draft.

Discussion is on the lemonade list.

Reminder:
This memo defines an extension to the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol 
(SMTP) service whereby an SMTP client and server may interact to 
give the server an opportunity to decline or accept a message 
(perhaps temporarily) based on the client's estimate of the general 
message size and sizes of the media parts the message contains.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I have updated the SMTP MediaSize =
extension draft. For some reason, the standard notification message was =
not posted to the lists, so I am posting it =
&quot;manually&quot;.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Many thanks to Chris Newman who =
contributed most of the feedback for this version of the draft, as a =
preparation for last call.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If no major feedback is received =
within the next 2 weeks, I would like to send it for IESG last call as =
an individual draft.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Discussion is on the lemonade =
list.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Reminder:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">This memo defines an extension to the =
Simple Mail Transfer Protocol </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(SMTP) service whereby an SMTP client =
and server may interact to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">give the server an opportunity to =
decline or accept a message </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(perhaps temporarily) based on the =
client's estimate of the general </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">message size and sizes of the media =
parts the message contains.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">A URL for this Internet-Draft =
is:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New"><A =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT>
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> I have updated the SMTP MediaSize extension draft. For some reason, the
> standard notification message was not posted to the lists, so I am posting
> it "manually".

> Many thanks to Chris Newman who contributed most of the feedback for this
> version of the draft, as a preparation for last call.

> If no major feedback is received within the next 2 weeks, I would like to
> send it for IESG last call as an individual draft.

My primary concern with this document is one I believe I have mentioned
previously: It creates yet another set of tags for media characteristics. The
IETF already has about half a dozen of these: Some are embedded in various
specifications while others are already set up as  actual extensible IANA
registries.

This proliferation of separate sets of tags is simply not acceptable, and has
to stop.

I strongly recommend that this document be reworked to use the existing
media feature tags registry:

  http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-feature-tags

Currently almost all of the registred tags have to do  with image
characteristics, so having some audio-related size tags would be a welcome
and useful addition.

There's no need to use the same syntax that's used for these tags in 
other contexts. Indeed, if you examine the registration procedures
set forth in RFC 2506 you'll see that they explicitly do not bind the
registry to any single use or syntax.

				Ned

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If so, speak up now!


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