From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 1 05:37:51 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA10866 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRxC-0004ro-2p for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:43:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZRE8-0000PN-58; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:56:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZQnA-0004hb-Ij for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:28:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA06461 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from il-tlv-smtpgateway.comverse.com ([192.118.48.242] helo=il-tlv-smtpout1.icomverse.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZQsS-0003Vt-1O for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:34:24 -0500 Received: from il-tlv-bridge01.comverse.com (il-tlv-bridge01.comverse.com [10.115.242.136]) by il-tlv-smtpout1.icomverse.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB19PZ47000350; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:25:36 +0200 Received: from il-tlv-mail01.comverse.com ([10.115.242.87]) by il-tlv-bridge01.comverse.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:28:49 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] Channel updates for content conversion Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:28:48 +0200 Message-ID: <045FA14A4C4F904BA2D5BEDC37E16AF8F2C0BA@il-tlv-mail01.comverse.com> Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Channel updates for content conversion Thread-Index: AcTWN9ADjUWyEJIxRwOzHwQk09851gAl4VNA From: "Weingarten Jerry" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2004 09:28:49.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A38B4E0:01C4D788] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lyndon@orthanc.ca X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2e8fc473f5174be667965460bd5288ba Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am writing this as a summary of this thread just to verify that I understand what has been discussed - 1. The result of the discussions in Vancouver was that the group is planning on addressing the questions of content adaptations in two threads - one for an on-line streaming case and the other for content-adpatation (CA) prior to downloading. Lyndon took the action item to try and update the Channel document to address the second thread. I am not sure who took the action to address the streaming case and do not recall seeing anything on the mailing list to indicate that such a document has been drafted. 2. Lyndon started an email discussion on his proposal that (to my understanding) proposed two commands - CHANNELCONVERSIONS - that allows the IMAP Server to indicate the MIME types it supports and an extension to the CHANNEL that allows a Client to request a CA on a file included in a MIME structure. =20 3. The main points that I gathered from the discussion that ensued were - A. That the request for Server capabilities should be changed to allow the client to indicate the input format and have the server reply with the list of possible resulting formats. B. That there may be a need to specify additional parameters (e.g. resolution, frame rate, etc) of the conversion besides just the requested result MIME type. C. The group does not support the suggestion to have the CA request added to the FETCH command. D. There may be a need to allow the Client to indicate where the Server should store the resultant file and that the result may be indicated by an IMAPURL (thereby accessible by URLAUTH). 4. The issues that remained unclear (again, this is just my understanding) - A. Is the CA being done by the IMAP Server or by some other entity. Not sure, why this should affect the protocol between the Client and the Server, since this may just be happening on the back-end of the Server! If the suggestion is that the Client is sending a URLAUTH to the Transcoding Server and requesting the CA service directly from the TS then we would need something on the order of the STI protocol being specified by OMA! B. What are the list of additional parameters that need to be added to specify the transformation requested. This again leads me to suggest that we study the STI documents from OMA (assuming that they are Public). Please correct me if I have gotten anything wrong or missed anything! Yaacov (Jerry) Weingarten Comverse - Standards=20 phone: +972-3-645 2392 mobile: +972-52-854 2392 email: jerry.weingarten@comverse.com -----Original Message----- From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Borenstein Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:53 PM To: Eric Burger Cc: lemonade@ietf.org; lyndon@orthanc.ca Subject: Re: [lemonade] Channel updates for content conversion On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:31 AM, Eric Burger wrote: > Schematically, the server does: > > application/pdf -> text/plain -> audio/basic > > Of course, Greg would like us to do > > application/pdf -> audio/g723 Just to muddy the water a tad further... this is one of the few areas=20 where the small number of top-level MIME types is more than a minor=20 organizational device, because what you might really want to specify,=20 in some contexts, is simply the conversion: application/pdf -> text/plain -> audio/* where the audio subtype might best be left unspecified until the=20 capabilities of a receiving client are known. More ominously, in your more fanciful example: > video/h263 -> text/plain it's actually far more complex than you make it sound. If you're=20 translating a video of someone "speaking" ASL, not only is there=20 ambiguity between lip reading and sign reading, there's also the=20 possibility of using the closed captioning. Far worse, what if it's=20 not ASL but some non-English sign language? It's far from trivial even=20 to know how to set the "charset" parameter after the translation, but=20 you *do* have to worry about that whenever you're talking about=20 "text/plain" as a target. At some point, any software that does the=20 voice-to-text conversion is going to have to be able to set the=20 character set on its output, because it's going to be the component=20 best able to tell the difference between spoken English and spoken=20 Chinese. Back in the bad old days when lots of mail went through gateways to=20 different email protocols, I liked to say that "no gateway ever=20 improved a message that went through it." The same is surely true of=20 format translation. To me, this suggests that format translation is a last resort, and=20 always best delayed to the last possible moment. The goal of LEMONADE,=20 of course, is to optimize bandwidth usage for currently-expensive=20 mobile connections, and format translation is certainly a plausible way=20 to approach that goal. It would be a shame, however, if in enabling=20 such optimizations, we created legacy barriers to better solutions in a=20 hypothetical future where mobile bandwidth is cheap.(**1**) In short,=20 we need to be sure there's always a way to turn all our "optimizations"=20 off. We now return to our regularly-scheduled nitpicking. -- Nathaniel (**1**) Circa 1980, the dedicated line in our CMU offices was upgraded=20 from 1200 baud to 56K, and some people quickly took advantage of that=20 enormous bandwidth to replace command line software with friendly=20 interactive menus (ZOG). A grumpy fellow grad student described this=20 as "the most obscene waste of bandwidth I ever saw" but I was inspired=20 to dump AI and theory in favor of research on human-computer=20 interaction. Circa 1990, I sent one of the first "interesting" MIME messages to the=20 ietf-822 list, containing a 4-second audio clip of my voice, saying=20 "Memory is cheap, bandwidth is cheaper!" Even on that forward-looking=20 mailing list, I got more than a few irate complaints about such a=20 profligate waste of bandwidth (about 50K in one email!) and the=20 "inefficiencies" it portended. Circa 2005, we have LEMONADE. 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Passwords for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- lemonade@ietf.org ewunaw https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/lemonade/lemonade-web-archive%40ietf.org From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 1 11:54:27 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25989 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZXpg-0004Yq-Ki for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:00:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZWfp-0005v8-O8; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:45:45 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZThP-00038X-RW for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:35:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22428 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZTmj-0007Kv-JO for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:40:42 -0500 Received: from [172.16.0.116] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com via TCP (internal) with ESMTPA; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:34:23 +0000 Message-ID: <41ADBA4D.5080906@isode.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:34:21 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] comments on draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-04.txt (fwd) References: <41A3BD2F.2090907@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <41A3BD2F.2090907@isode.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Mark Crispin wrote: > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> [...] > >> Shouldn't both RESETKEY and GENURLAUTH require that the user be >> able to access the mailbox named in the command or URL? Should the >> server check whether the indicated message both exists and has the >> indicated part? > > I've added the following text to the next revision of the RFC 2086 > (ACL) document: > > RESETKEY - "r" right is required for each mailbox affected by the > command. > In particular the RESETKEY MUST NOT reset keys on > mailboxes that > can't be SELECT/EXAMINEd by the current user. > > GENURLAUTH - "r" right is required for each mailbox referenced in > the URL(s) > specified as parameter(s) to the GENURLAUTH command. > > URLFETCH - no rights required to perform this operation. I've decided to submit a separate document instead (draft-melnikov-acl-rights-00.txt). It will list ACL rights required for many IMAP extensions, including URLAUTH and CATENATE. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 1 12:01:47 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26661 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZXwn-0004mU-1B for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:07:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZWvH-0005nW-9h; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:01:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZUGk-0005p9-QP for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:11:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA25645 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: Michael.Wener@nokia.com Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZUM4-0008Ax-R2 for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:17:13 -0500 Received: from esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (esdks004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.159]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id iB1DB7v19432; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:11:17 +0200 (EET) X-Scanned: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:10:31 +0200 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.31 2004060815 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id iB1DAV5S012118; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:10:31 +0200 Received: from mgw-int2.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.97) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com 0073kO6f; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:10:30 EET Received: from daebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (daebh001.americas.nokia.com [10.241.35.121]) by mgw-int2.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id iB1DASS05025; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:10:29 +0200 (EET) Received: from daebe005.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.105]) by daebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:10:27 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] Channel updates for content conversion Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:10:27 -0600 Message-ID: <225A4E03D0EE5245A5C5F7E7B7C1F27A016D3BDA@daebe005.americas.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Channel updates for content conversion thread-index: AcTWN9ADjUWyEJIxRwOzHwQk09851gAl4VNAADR5ZLA= To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2004 13:10:27.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[2026F1F0:01C4D7A7] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lyndon@orthanc.ca X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org]On > Behalf Of ext Weingarten Jerry > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:29 AM ... > I am writing this as a summary of this thread just to verify that I > understand what has been discussed - Good summary from my perspective. I have a couple comments. >=20 > 1. The result of the discussions in Vancouver was that the group is > planning on addressing the questions of content adaptations in two > threads - one for an on-line streaming case and the other for > content-adpatation (CA) prior to downloading. Lyndon took the action Lyndon mentioned an inband scheme, which would skip the secondary step of downloading. I think this is a good idea. >=20 > 3. The main points that I gathered from the discussion that=20 > ensued were Also, I raised the issue of partial fetches in the case of inband retrieval. Mike _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 1 22:05:01 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27616 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZhMe-0004xh-Lt for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:10:40 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZgrZ-0004cs-R5; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:38:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZgdv-0001Wl-0Z for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:24:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA24003 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.33.19]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZgjJ-00040e-Pw for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:30:04 -0500 Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB22OKQZ018496; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:24:20 -0800 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.11) with ESMTP id iB22OJPJ024997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:24:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:22:17 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Mark Crispin To: Michael.Wener@nokia.com Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: <225A4E03D0EE5245A5C5F7E7B7C1F27A016D3BD5@daebe005.americas.nokia.com> Message-ID: References: <225A4E03D0EE5245A5C5F7E7B7C1F27A016D3BD5@daebe005.americas.nokia.com> Organization: Networks & Distributed Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f I do not object to adding a partial fetching capability to the URLFETCH command in the URLAUTH document. However, I have not heard any groundswell of support for one either. Unless more people speak up, I'm afraid that this idea will end up in the trash can of "good ideas that can be done, but are not good enough to bother doing." -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 05:59:51 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA28545 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZomE-0006Xy-RY for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:05:36 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZnMZ-0008W0-KT; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:35:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZmJx-0003Wm-4t for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:28:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA19193 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([212.125.101.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZmPR-0003Wp-E9 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:33:53 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (penne [192.168.139.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC83D1BDE8C; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:26:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from prosecco (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1AC3E20FE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:58:05 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:00:31 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Mark Crispin writes: > Unless more people speak up, I'm afraid that this idea will end up in > the trash can of "good ideas that can be done, but are not good > enough to bother doing." IMAP surely has enough functionality that clients don't use already. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 18:22:11 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA13318 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca0Mk-0002Fb-4B for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:28:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZvTf-0004A2-I9; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:14:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZuBO-0007QG-FE for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:51:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07788 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuGx-0000j8-5C for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:57:39 -0500 Received: from shiva0.cac.washington.edu (shiva0.cac.washington.edu [140.142.37.170]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB2Gpn8H007450; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:51:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva0.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.08) with ESMTP id iB2Gpm8u031764; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:51:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:51:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> Unless more people speak up, I'm afraid that this idea will end up in the >> trash can of "good ideas that can be done, but are not good enough to >> bother doing." > IMAP surely has enough functionality that clients don't use already. Such as? Pine uses almost everything that IMAP provides. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 18:52:54 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16021 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca0qU-0002x5-9j for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:58:46 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZwIZ-0008Mg-96; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:07:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZuU8-0002Fd-5G for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:11:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10096 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([212.125.101.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuZg-0001Qq-UJ for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:17:01 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (penne [192.168.139.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A631BDE8C; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:09:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009863E20C0; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:41:10 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:10:13 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Mark Crispin writes: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >>> Unless more people speak up, I'm afraid that this idea will end up >>> in the trash can of "good ideas that can be done, but are not good >>> enough to bother doing." >> IMAP surely has enough functionality that clients don't use already. > > Such as? Pine uses almost everything that IMAP provides. I know one other client that does that, too. Two's not a crowd. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 19:05:47 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA16852 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca12x-0003E3-1u for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:11:39 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZwKl-0000Wz-RA; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:09:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZup8-0000vK-3s for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:32:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12485 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.135]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuuh-0002CQ-3v for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:38:43 -0500 Received: from shiva0.cac.washington.edu (shiva0.cac.washington.edu [140.142.37.170]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB2HWr6B002727; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:32:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva0.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.08) with ESMTP id iB2HWrqZ000679; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:32:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:32:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >>>> Unless more people speak up, I'm afraid that this idea will end up in the >>>> trash can of "good ideas that can be done, but are not good enough to >>>> bother doing." >>> IMAP surely has enough functionality that clients don't use already. >> Such as? Pine uses almost everything that IMAP provides. > I know one other client that does that, too. Two's not a crowd. I know two other clients that do that. We're now up to four. Four is a crowd if you exclude POP clients that babble IMAP protocol. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 19:48:20 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA20996 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca1i8-0004J0-IT for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:54:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca0Ld-00039T-NS; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:26:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZvhN-0005eX-PO for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:29:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17280 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([212.125.101.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZvmv-0003hQ-W1 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:47 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (penne [192.168.139.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019D11BDE7B; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:27:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25AE3E20FD; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:58:54 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:28:00 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Mark Crispin writes: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> I know one other client that does that, too. Two's not a crowd. > > I know two other clients that do that. We're now up to four. You know four clients that use a lot of base IMAP and a smattering of extensions? Wow. Which? Do they use all of the \recent flag, subscribe/lsub and fetch header.fields/bodystructure? AUTH=DIGEST-MD5? > Four is a crowd if you exclude POP clients that babble IMAP protocol. Maybe I'm overly cynical tonight, but I sometimes have the impression that for some extensions, server implementations outnumber clients ones. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 20:32:29 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA24836 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca2Oq-0005Ca-8P for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:38:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca0OY-0003eA-V3; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:29:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZwYn-0002nR-0o for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:24:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20109 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout6.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.33.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZweN-0004jo-2h for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:29:59 -0500 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.37.171]) by mxout6.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB2JO7kB024642; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:24:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.08) with ESMTP id iB2JO7hm011472; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:24:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > You know four clients that use a lot of base IMAP and a smattering of > extensions? Wow. Which? Do they use all of the \recent flag, subscribe/lsub > and fetch header.fields/bodystructure? Yes. I'll let the authors speak up, if they wish. I'll note that all clients based upon the c-client library do this. I only counted this as one, but in fact there are several out there. > AUTH=DIGEST-MD5? I don't know. The only reason why I haven't implemented it has been lack of time; it's certainly superior to CRAM-MD5 although I think that the most of the problems in CRAM-MD5 are overblown. > Maybe I'm overly cynical tonight, but I sometimes have the impression that > for some extensions, server implementations outnumber clients ones. Which ones? There are certainly proposals for extensions which were of limited value, but of the ones which reached standards track only ACL, QUOTA, and UIDPLUS stand out as having problems which hamper their general deployment. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 03:28:27 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA11376 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca8tR-0005gX-JE for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:34:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca7Mt-0006PV-TM; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:56:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca5QK-0001ik-6r for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:52:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA09730 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([212.125.101.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca5Vx-0001Bl-D7 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:57:56 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (penne [192.168.139.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766CD1BDE85; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:50:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064333E20C7; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:21:57 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:51:03 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Mark Crispin writes: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> You know four clients that use a lot of base IMAP and a smattering of >> extensions? Wow. Which? Do they use all of the \recent flag, >> subscribe/lsub and fetch header.fields/bodystructure? > > Yes. That pleases me. >> AUTH=DIGEST-MD5? > > I don't know. The only reason why I haven't implemented it has been > lack of time; ... Isn't that another way of saying "DIGEST-MD5 is too much work for the benefit it brings"? ;) >> Maybe I'm overly cynical tonight, but I sometimes have the impression >> that for some extensions, server implementations outnumber clients >> ones. > > Which ones? REFERRAL, say. ANNOTATE/ANNOTATEMORE. Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 04:04:39 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13865 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca9SU-0006Sw-HR for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 04:10:34 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca87x-0002HU-VB; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 02:45:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca6Pw-0002hF-Rg for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:55:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14216 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca6Vc-0002Ut-JJ for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:01:36 -0500 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.37.171]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB35tbSj007556; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:55:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.08) with ESMTP id iB35tb5b003818; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:55:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > REFERRAL, say. ANNOTATE/ANNOTATEMORE. Referrals are implemented and used. I can't speak for annotations. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 04:52:47 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA17057 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaAD4-0007Iv-6n for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 04:58:43 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca8VR-0006eR-KT; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:09:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca6pA-0000ak-Ic for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:21:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA16249 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from kalyani.oryx.com ([212.125.101.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca6up-00035R-RJ for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:27:41 -0500 Received: from penne.toroid.org (penne [192.168.139.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29A31BDE9E; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:20:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2623E20C7; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:51:42 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:20:45 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Mark Crispin writes: > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> REFERRAL, say. ANNOTATE/ANNOTATEMORE. > > Referrals are implemented and used. I can't speak for annotations. Tell more? Arnt _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 05:03:35 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA17803 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaANU-0007WF-80 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 05:09:31 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca8cC-0007MN-Nj; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:16:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca7B1-0004aR-12 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:44:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA18141 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.135]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca7Gh-0003a5-5a for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:50:15 -0500 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.37.171]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB36iIp7029822; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:44:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.08) with ESMTP id iB36iI3v004768; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:44:18 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> Referrals are implemented and used. I can't speak for annotations. > Tell more? Cyrus Murder clusters use referrals. We spent some time making sure that Pine supported them correctly. I believe that Exchange and Outlook also use them. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 08:54:13 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA04847 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaDyk-0003nx-Uv for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:00:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaBKu-00026m-0l; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 06:10:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaA48-00082F-44 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 04:49:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16717 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortelnetworks.com ([47.140.192.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaA97-0007D1-2c for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 04:54:37 -0500 Received: from zrtpd0j7.us.nortel.com (zrtpd0j7.us.nortel.com [47.140.203.25]) by zrtps0kp.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id iB39m5N29507 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by zrtpd0j7.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:48:06 -0500 Message-ID: <6634D3EE-4510-11D9-8C53-00306577589E@americasm01.nt.com> From: "Glenn Parsons" To: lemonade@ietf.org Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 04:47:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Subject: [lemonade] LEMONADE Interim X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0186620660==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b This message is in MIME format. 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Folks,

As mentioned in Washington, we will be holding an interim meeting
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Our current plan is to start on 1pm Wednesday to allow folks to fly in
that morning and will finish by noon on Thursday.

Please let the chairs know if these dates are acceptable and if you
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When we get IESG approval and final logistics (in the next week or so),
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4D91D.2A09F68A-- --===============0186620660== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --===============0186620660==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 14:31:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25643 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaJFU-0001QD-TV for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:37:50 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaIa7-00080M-W5; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:55:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaGd3-0004nl-0b for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:49:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24400 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from rembrandt.esys.ca ([198.161.92.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaGik-0008Q3-Mc for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:55:55 -0500 Received: from gallileo (gallileo.esys.ca [198.161.92.72]) (authenticated) by rembrandt.esys.ca (8.11.6/8.11.0.Beta0) with ESMTP id iB3Gjsi12911; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:45:54 -0700 From: Steve Hole Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:49:36 -0700 To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Execmail for Win32 6.0.0 alpha Build (1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:28:00 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen=20 wrote: > You know four clients that use a lot of base IMAP and a smattering of=20 > extensions? Wow. Which? Do they use all of the \recent flag,=20 > subscribe/lsub and fetch header.fields/bodystructure? AUTH=3DDIGEST-MD5? All of the above actually, both in our GUI client and the mailbox workflow toolset. Almost all clients use the subscribe/lsub support. Not using=20 bodystructure is simply bad programming. Cheers. --- Steve Hole Chief Technical Officer - Electronic Billing and Payment Systems ACI Worldwide Email: holes@aciworldwide.com Phone: 780 424 4922 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 19:18:33 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA22884 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaNj3-0001YZ-LB for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:24:37 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaNUW-0006rX-4o; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:09:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaNMA-00041c-5h for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:00:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA21714 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaNRy-0001FR-PE for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:07:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB400thu002850 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:00:55 -0800 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.11) with ESMTP id iB400tFl008713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:00:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:58:53 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Mark Crispin To: lemonade@ietf.org Message-ID: Organization: Networks & Distributed Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [lemonade] URLAUTH draft 05 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 This draft contains changes from draft 04 which came about as part of the WGLC. The most significant of these is a statement that if there is currently no mailbox access key for the given mailbox in the user's mailbox access key table, one is automatically generated. This is to clarify that it is NOT necessary to use RESETKEY prior to first-time use of GENURLAUTH. The other such change defines mechanism names as consisting of case-insensitive alpha, digit, hyphen, or period. Previously, it was defined as uchar, which is not compatible with IMAP's atom. All other changes are editorial only. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 4 16:53:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24983 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cahwj-00011t-Tw for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:00:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CahL3-0007P1-H9; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:21:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CX2Dc-00085z-Li for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:50:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19779 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CX2HX-0003A5-FV for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:54:23 -0500 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id iAOIo8H8008344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:50:08 -0800 X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.2.2 foon.sendmail.com iAOIo8H8008344 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=t0BfJMcW25It1AGfXtiTT0ISKTofE/qbFllO6ZIF+SIuEQoOoLRoTIQuer4lJEHqE GD5B/5e9LOuuv6lOEPOSbNRkdj+4tfhRe+z+jencF0Nr8RCK6JkXMpIMkKZdqw6tAxR 6ayOkBVJ2bXm+DC6u52qYFtKQqwJKmMpO2aBJMk= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAOIo73h070860; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guenther@lab.smi.sendmail.com) Message-Id: <200411241850.iAOIo73h070860@lab.smi.sendmail.com> To: Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [lemonade] WGLC's In-reply-to: <41A47820.4070000@isode.com> References: <41A11680.6050109@isode.com> <41A392B9.1030604@isode.com> <41A47820.4070000@isode.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:50:07 -0800 From: Philip Guenther X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:21:08 -0500 Cc: Pete Resnick , lemonade@ietf.org, Mark Crispin X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Alexey Melnikov writes: ... >The server has to check for URL validity anyway. The main question is - >should this cause IMAP protocol error, i.e. the server tries to decode >an invalid URL sent as a quoted string and fails (<"> <">), >because some characters are not escaped, or should IMAP parsing succeed >and the URL be rejected during URL validity check. If the question is "BAD" or "NO", I would say that if the base IMAP syntax is invalid (e.g., bad quoting), then it should provoke a BAD, but invalid URL syntax could provoke either BAD or NO, depending on the implementation. I don't think these drafts need to call that out though, as that should follow from the syntax and context as an IMAP extension. The IMAP base spec doesn't (that I see) require the server to, for example, throw away everything up to the next newline when it receives a CREATE command with a misquoted mailbox name, so while it may be wise to specifically mention that part of the URL syntax requirements, these drafts have no business requiring servers to recover the parser state in a particular way if the client sends a request with invalid IMAP or URL syntax. Philip Guenther _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 5 13:41:34 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28320 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb1QN-00058X-Vm for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:48:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb1Fd-0006FG-GH; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:36:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb1Bl-0005KK-Mh for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:32:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA27751 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb1Hx-0004uJ-6j for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:39:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.7] ([62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com via TCP (internal) with ESMTPA; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: <41B3541D.2000904@isode.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:31:57 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Crispin wrote: >> Maybe I'm overly cynical tonight, but I sometimes have the impression >> that for some extensions, server implementations outnumber clients ones. > > Which ones? > > There are certainly proposals for extensions which were of limited > value, but of the ones which reached standards track only ACL, QUOTA, > and UIDPLUS stand out as having problems which hamper their general > deployment. I am curious to know what are the problems with UIDPLUS? _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 5 14:55:00 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02994 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb2ZT-0006bk-2n for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:01:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb2KF-0004cZ-6a; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:45:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb2Fs-0004AY-Q1 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:41:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA02227 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout6.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.33.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb2M3-0006Ks-Kb for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:47:38 -0500 Received: from shiva0.cac.washington.edu (shiva0.cac.washington.edu [140.142.37.170]) by mxout6.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.09) with ESMTP id iB5Jf7IA007603; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva0.cac.washington.edu (8.13.1+UW04.08/8.13.1+UW04.08) with ESMTP id iB5Jf7sZ001834; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [lemonade] URLFETCH Partial Fetches In-Reply-To: <41B3541D.2000904@isode.com> Message-ID: References: <41B3541D.2000904@isode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > I am curious to know what are the problems with UIDPLUS? Good question, Alexey! I've been taking a long hard look at UIDPLUS lately, as I may have to implement it. UIDPLUS bundles two orthogonal functionalities: the UID EXPUNGE command, and the APPENDUID and COPYUID responses. There is no implementation dependendency between the two; they should not be in the same capability. But the worst part is that APPENDUID and COPYUID are poorly thought out, especially in light of the interaction with MULTIAPPEND. There should have been a single response for all cases, not the current situation where very similar, but not quite the same, responses are used. In some mail stores, certain cases of COPY end up having to be implemented as APPEND internally; this creates an added implementation burden to generate the correct COPYUID. When multiple messages are involved, APPENDUID/COPYUID suffer from the flaw that a set<->set mapping needs to be calculated; the excuse being that if monotonically increasing UIDs are assigned then the response is less chatty than alternatives. It's also an invitation to bugs. There should be an explicit source->destination mapping for each message, not "match this set with that set". In some mail stores, it can be very expensive to return APPENDUID/COPYUID data, *especially* in those cases where the IMAP server vendor does not control the delivery mechanism. In fact, UIDPLUS could be called the FCTGTMSFASS (Force Customers To Get Their Mail Software From A Single Source) extension to IMAP. Since IMAP requires strictly ascending UIDs, it is impossible to assign a UID to a newly APPENDed or COPYed message without assurance than any new mail delivered to the mailbox has also had a UID assigned. Hence FCTGTMSFASS; if the mail delivery agent is from another vendor that assurance may be absent and the IMAP server has to fix things. This, in turn, requires a sort of read/write open that assigns UIDs but doesn't affect \Recent flags or the RECENT count in the next open. That also means that you can't use "no UID was assigned when mailbox opened" to mean \Recent -- the \Recent flag has to be maintained independently. All this is not cheap, although with a lot of extra programming much of the extra cost can be ameliorated. Among other things, this means additional mailbox metadata in order to avoid taking the worst-case fixup path each time. Better would have been to have two new commands that would return new responses (instead of response codes). This would save servers the work if the client does not care (the majority of clients!), and also would have allowed much more flexibility in the response syntax. In conclusion, I believe that UIDPLUS: 1) bundles together things that did not need to be bundled; 2) creates server burdens that often are unnecessary; 3) has a incredibly kludgy design in order to avoid adding new commands and responses. In some ways, the third sin is the worst of all, and caused the other two sins. I've often criticized ACL, but it is well-designed. The problem with is that ACL is a *very* hard problem. The difficulty is *far* worse when you attempt to export external legacy facilities. Similar comments can be made about certain other troublesome extensions (e.g. QUOTA). UIDPLUS, on the other hand, stands out as expediency over good design. I fear that it's much too late to fix it now. We're stuck with the wart. But we can learn from the mistake, and avoid similar mistakes in the future. That I think is the important point to move forward. What seems to be simple and expedient today can have long-term deleterious consequences in the future. It's often difficult, and frustrating!!, to be delayed in discussions on how to do things right when an attractive shortcut seems to exist. It's even more frustrating when deadlines are faced and/or needs are unmet. But the results of doing it right are worth it. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 5 16:53:31 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12639 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb4QB-0000Z1-0t for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:00:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb4EH-0001Gp-JA; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:47:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb46v-0000TT-46 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:40:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11544 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from salvelinus.brooktrout.com ([204.176.205.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb4D7-0000Hy-2m for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:46:31 -0500 Received: from nhmail2.needham.brooktrout.com (nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com [204.176.205.242]) by salvelinus.brooktrout.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB5LYhnw020056 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:31:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Eric Burger To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lemonade] Channel updates for content conversion Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:31:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 I'm not sure I like this one: > -----Original Message----- > From: Weingarten Jerry [mailto:Jerry.Weingarten@comverse.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:29 AM [snip] > D. There may be a need to allow the Client to indicate where > the Server > should store the resultant file and that the result may be > indicated by an IMAPURL (thereby accessible by URLAUTH). [snip] What do we mean by "where"? Will that impose protocol support / negotiation on the server's part? What if "where" isn't writable by the server? What if "where" isn't there when the server needs it? Sounds like a very difficult problem to solve. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 5 16:54:58 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12762 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb4RZ-0000cP-L4 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:01:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb4EJ-0001HA-5S; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:47:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cb46z-0000TZ-GH for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:40:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11560 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from salvelinus.brooktrout.com ([204.176.205.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cb4DD-0000IL-Hy for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:46:36 -0500 Received: from nhmail2.needham.brooktrout.com (nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com [204.176.205.242]) by salvelinus.brooktrout.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB5LYhnw020053; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Eric Burger To: lemonade@ietf.org Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:31:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: Weingarten Jerry Subject: [lemonade] Streaming Content Conversion X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 [snip] > 1. The result of the discussions in Vancouver was that the group is > planning on addressing the questions of content adaptations in two > threads - one for an on-line streaming case and the other for > content-adpatation (CA) prior to downloading. Lyndon took the action > item to try and update the Channel document to address the second > thread. I am not sure who took the action to address the > streaming case > and do not recall seeing anything on the mailing list to indicate that > such a document has been drafted. That would be me, and yes, nothing has been done yet. Philosophy: Client drives the interaction Client directs streaming transcoding services to do transcoding and push results or make stream available to Client (at Client's direction) Work to do: - Framework for how one *could* put service together - Any extensions to IMAP necessary (I don't think there are any that are not already covered by URLAUTH) - Examples for how to push to, e.g., SIP and RTSP servers, for transcoding _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 7 16:05:18 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA20650 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbmd1-0006QS-O5 for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:12:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CbmTY-0006jd-H5; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:02:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CbmNx-0004Qa-8t; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:56:37 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19981; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:56:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412072056.PAA19981@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:56:34 -0500 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - URLAUTH Extension Author(s) : M. Crispin Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-12-7 This document describes the URLAUTH extension to the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) (RFC 3501) and the IMAP URL Scheme (IMAPURL) (RFC 2192). This extension provides a means by which an IMAP client can use URLs carrying authorization to access limited message data on the IMAP server. An IMAP server which supports this extension indicates this with a capability name of "URLAUTH". A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:07:27 +0000 (UCT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CbmTa-0006k3-BU; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:02:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CbmNx-0004Qa-8t; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:56:37 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA19981; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:56:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412072056.PAA19981@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:56:34 -0500 X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 21:07:34.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5FC4960:01C4DCA0] X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - URLAUTH Extension Author(s) : M. Crispin Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-12-7 This document describes the URLAUTH extension to the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) (RFC 3501) and the IMAP URL Scheme (IMAPURL) (RFC 2192). This extension provides a means by which an IMAP client can use URLs carrying authorization to access limited message data on the IMAP server. An IMAP server which supports this extension indicates this with a capability name of "URLAUTH". A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-12-7153921.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-12-7153921.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --NextPart-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 7 21:48:43 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA03845 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbrzQ-0000YR-CX for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:55:40 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cbrp4-0001De-DV; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:44:58 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CbrkZ-0000S9-V2 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:40:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA03374 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from salvelinus.brooktrout.com ([204.176.205.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbrrF-0000Nr-Tq for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:47:14 -0500 Received: from nhmail2.needham.brooktrout.com (nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com [204.176.205.242]) by salvelinus.brooktrout.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB82cKIS001237; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Eric Burger To: uri@w3.org Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] Expert Review of URLAUTH X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 The lemonade work group in the IETF has produced the following document. We would appreciate expert review of same. Yes, it is called "URLAUTH" for ease of pronunciation purposes; "URIAUTH" would be a mouthful and sounds to much like urine. Please post comments to the lemonade list at lemonade@ietf.org. List information is at . A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - URLAUTH Extension Author(s) : M. Crispin Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-12-7 This document describes the URLAUTH extension to the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) (RFC 3501) and the IMAP URL Scheme (IMAPURL) (RFC 2192). This extension provides a means by which an IMAP client can use URLs carrying authorization to access limited message data on the IMAP server. An IMAP server which supports this extension indicates this with a capability name of "URLAUTH". A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-05.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 9 14:46:53 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25994 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcUMc-0005Dy-SD for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:54:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CcUBi-0006u2-Pl; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:42:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CcU4A-00054d-Tj for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:35:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25027 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from salvelinus.brooktrout.com ([204.176.205.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcUBC-00050w-4e for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:42:23 -0500 Received: from nhmail2.needham.brooktrout.com (nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com [204.176.205.242]) by salvelinus.brooktrout.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB9JUC48024942 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:27:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Eric Burger To: "'lemonade@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:27:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0f1ff0b0158b41ac6b9548d0972cdd31 Subject: [lemonade] Off-Topic, But Humorous X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Lemonade Tycoon Deluxe http://www.trygames.com/game/aff=t_01mi/vid=1e7d5185143188837b7475980ff3959e _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 9 16:58:35 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA16036 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcWQ7-0002Pk-6N for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:05:55 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CcW8e-0002Ix-OE; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:47:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CcVYG-00032l-R9 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:10:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04508 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from salvelinus.brooktrout.com ([204.176.205.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcVfK-00079B-31 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:17:34 -0500 Received: from nhmail2.needham.brooktrout.com (nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com [204.176.205.242]) by salvelinus.brooktrout.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB9L987d003630 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by nhmail2.eng.brooktrout.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Eric Burger To: "'lemonade@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:05:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Subject: [lemonade] Interim Meeting 61.5 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b The formal announcement will happen after IESG approval and posting. Until then, the information is on the supplemental lemonade web site, . Lemonade 61.5 Interim Meeting Location ======== Oracle Conference Center, Redwood Shores, CA. 250 Oracle Pkwy Redwood City, CA 94065-1668 Agenda (Draft) ============== - media conversion - CHANNEL - quick reconnect - LEMONADE 'phase 1' profile - 'phase 2' goals Hotel ===== Summerfield Suites by Wyndham - Belmont/Redwood Shores 400 Concourse Drive Belmont, California 94002 United States Phone: 650-591-8600 Ask for Oracle Rate: $99/night Yes, they have wired Internet access. The hotel is within walking distance (~1 km) of Oracle, and they have an airport shuttle. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 11 13:32:10 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09881 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdC9r-0007wB-Mb for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:39:55 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdC1H-0005SX-2W; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:31:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdC08-0005AL-3a for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:29:52 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09565 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-43-25-66.ip.mcleodusa.net ([216.43.25.66] helo=episteme-software.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdC7Y-0007sF-RJ for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:37:34 -0500 Received: from [216.43.25.67] (216.43.25.67) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3d9) for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:29:20 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com (Unverified) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 7.0a12] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:29:17 -0600 To: Lemonade From: Pete Resnick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [lemonade] New CATENATE (-03) submitted X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f I sent off the new CATENATE draft. Until it is posted, you can find copies at: http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/draft-ietf-lemonade-catenate-03.txt http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/draft-ietf-lemonade-catenate-03.html http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/draft-ietf-lemonade-catenate-03.xml I will be on vacation until Dec. 28 and only reading e-mail occasionally. Please be patient with my replies. pr -- Pete Resnick QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 11 16:38:23 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22912 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdF45-0003KU-NT for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdEp5-00060V-31; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:30:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdEoU-0005qT-5B for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:30:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22293 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-43-25-66.ip.mcleodusa.net ([216.43.25.66] helo=episteme-software.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdEvw-00039Z-GZ for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:37:45 -0500 Received: from [216.43.25.67] (216.43.25.67) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3d9); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200412112125.iBBLPETf068307@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: <200412112125.iBBLPETf068307@lab.smi.sendmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 7.0a12] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:24 -0600 To: Philip Guenther From: Pete Resnick Subject: Re: [lemonade] New CATENATE (-03) submitted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Lemonade X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 On 12/11/04 at 1:25 PM -0800, Philip Guenther wrote: >The examples need parens about the parameters. I.e., on page 6, > C: A003 CATENATE Drafts FLAGS (\Seen \Draft $MDNSent) >should become > C: A003 CATENATE Drafts (FLAGS (\Seen \Draft $MDNSent)) >and similar for the others. That's not what the current ABNF says; that would be a syntactic change. Glad to change it if necessary, but I'd like to hear that. pr -- Pete Resnick QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 11 16:52:37 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23859 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdFHr-0003ZB-TB for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:00:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdF4r-0008RN-FZ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdF3d-0008GE-Qw for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:45:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23533 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdFB6-0003S9-72 for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:53:25 -0500 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id iBBLjdld000336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:45:39 -0800 X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.2.2 foon.sendmail.com iBBLjdld000336 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=WMJgWX5P30qph6YRd1osb0oXBV8wpM6a950enX2ix2mrQ49VGCwIDUCE7Pu7IO/mi uEkLjmw59aiigUpfMzvE6ViBlfy8aANtsWrE45P3zDgLyJP+/xHqq9c9AiQp/xVuz9O qkjZ2KYA35PWoFxJrjqgICGPIvo71hQQvqTvXWQ= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBBLjdlX069592; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:45:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guenther@lab.smi.sendmail.com) Message-Id: <200412112145.iBBLjdlX069592@lab.smi.sendmail.com> To: Pete Resnick From: Philip Guenther Subject: Re: [lemonade] New CATENATE (-03) submitted In-reply-to: References: <200412112125.iBBLPETf068307@lab.smi.sendmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:45:39 -0800 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: Lemonade X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Pete Resnick writes: >On 12/11/04 at 1:25 PM -0800, Philip Guenther wrote: > >>The examples need parens about the parameters. I.e., on page 6, >> C: A003 CATENATE Drafts FLAGS (\Seen \Draft $MDNSent) >>should become >> C: A003 CATENATE Drafts (FLAGS (\Seen \Draft $MDNSent)) >>and similar for the others. > >That's not what the current ABNF says; that would be a syntactic >change. Glad to change it if necessary, but I'd like to hear that. Uh, then what are those things in double-quotes in the syntax? parameters = ("(" parameter *(SP parameter) ")") / "NIL" Philip Guenther _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 11 16:56:53 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24207 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdFLz-0003fF-PA for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:04:39 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdFBN-000121-3l; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:53:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdF5w-00008Y-Nf for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:48:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23663 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-43-25-66.ip.mcleodusa.net ([216.43.25.66] helo=episteme-software.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdFDP-0003UE-9A for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:55:48 -0500 Received: from [216.43.25.67] (216.43.25.67) by episteme-software.com with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3d9); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:47:32 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: resnick@resnick1.qualcomm.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200412112145.iBBLjdlX069592@lab.smi.sendmail.com> References: <200412112125.iBBLPETf068307@lab.smi.sendmail.com> <200412112145.iBBLjdlX069592@lab.smi.sendmail.com> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 7.0a12] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:47:30 -0600 To: Philip Guenther From: Pete Resnick Subject: Re: [lemonade] New CATENATE (-03) submitted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Lemonade X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 On 12/11/04 at 1:45 PM -0800, Philip Guenther wrote: >Uh, then what are those things in double-quotes in the syntax? > > parameters = ("(" parameter *(SP parameter) ")") / "NIL" Oops. Right. OK, fixed. pr -- Pete Resnick QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 13 15:56:33 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18041 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdxN5-0000gt-LK for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:04:43 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cdwx3-0004Im-Ix; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:37:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cdwt3-0001cQ-5q; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:33:41 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA16321; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:33:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412132033.PAA16321@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:33:39 -0500 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-catenate-03.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Youssef" To: lemonade@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Subject: [lemonade] CFP: IEEE WirelessCom Symposium on Mobile Computing, 2005 X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 (Our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP) ------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers Symposium on Mobile Computing http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~younis/WC_MobCom05.htm as part of IEEE WirelessCom 2005 Sheraton Maui Resort, Kaanapali Beach, Maui, Hawaii, USA http://www.ece.queensu.ca/hpages/faculty/safwat/wirelesscom/05/ June 13-16, 2005 Technical Sponsorship: IEEE TCCC, TCPC, and SSCTC Recent years have witnessed an enormous growth in the development and applications of mobile computing environments and devices. Many practitioners envision a future empowered with context and location aware computation and communication infrastructure that allow users to access data and receive service at any place and any time. Compared to conventional platforms, the mobility of computing nodes introduces many challenges to the design of almost all systems components. This symposium will foster a forum for discussing and presenting recent research results on mobile computer systems. Original papers are invited in the broader area of mobile computing. Papers must report high-quality and previously unpublished work. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following: - Architecture and infrastructure support - Middleware and operating systems services - Development platforms and environments - Adaptive resource management schemes - Pervasive and Context-aware Computing - Performance metrics and studies - Power aware computation and communication - Data consistency and synchronization protocols - Fault-tolerant architectural and operation models - Wearable computing devices and systems - Time constrained mobile systems - Robust ad-hoc networking techniques - Efficient localization techniques - Wireless sensor networks - Mobile peer to peer systems - Quality of service provisioning - Context-conscious computing - Web caching and services - Emerging applications and systems - Mobile agents - Mobile commerce - Security and privacy issues Submission Guidelines --------------------- Prospective authors should submit their paper electronically to younis@csee.umbc.edu. All papers are limited to 6 pages in MS-Word, PS or PDF using standard IEEE double-column format. The first page should include title, authors' contact information, an abstract and five keywords. Authors should attach the paper abstract to their message. Important Dates --------------- Paper Submission Deadline: March 15, 2005 Notification of Acceptance: April 15, 2005 Camera-Ready Papers: May 1, 2005 Symposium Co-Chairs ------------------- Mohamed Younis Department of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering University of Maryland Baltimore County, E-mail: younis@csee.umbc.edu Hesham El-Rewini Department of Computer Science and Engineering Southern Methodist University E-mail: rewini@engr.smu.edu Publicity Chair ---------------- Moustafa Youssef Department of Computer Science University of Maryland at College Park, E-mail: moustafa@cs.umd.edu _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 26 08:24:21 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20045 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CiYYE-0001uC-Jo for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:35:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CiYNG-00063o-9I; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:23:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CdEk0-0004Fx-7Q for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:25:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA21878 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tls.sendmail.com ([209.246.26.40] helo=foon.sendmail.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdErQ-00032a-7F for lemonade@ietf.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:33:07 -0500 Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com ([10.210.100.93]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id iBBLPEwR028726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:25:14 -0800 X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.2.2 foon.sendmail.com iBBLPEwR028726 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=s6BlKwU5ugP8BlcVwW7osUqIT6n5+1MbVrMHmWsmwO1RQD/7B9VjbitaMbGu8/LgX pA74pRYSdIBTM2ntvFKTO/m2BmiE9Cn3E9/06TIjmwarruL6Yk86sIkHsfKh28C1ssf Ri3QxgKUy+tH+NEcQf3AbhFsRcIjXkoT6dBc6Ss= Received: from lab.smi.sendmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lab.smi.sendmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBBLPETf068307; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guenther@lab.smi.sendmail.com) Message-Id: <200412112125.iBBLPETf068307@lab.smi.sendmail.com> To: Pete Resnick From: Philip Guenther Subject: Re: [lemonade] New CATENATE (-03) submitted In-reply-to: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:25:14 -0800 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:23:53 -0500 Cc: Lemonade X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Pete Resnick writes: >I sent off the new CATENATE draft. Until it is posted, you can find copies at: ... The changes in the text looks good to me. The examples need parens about the parameters. I.e., on page 6, C: A003 CATENATE Drafts FLAGS (\Seen \Draft $MDNSent) should become C: A003 CATENATE Drafts (FLAGS (\Seen \Draft $MDNSent)) and similar for the others. I also suggest tweaking one of the examples (#4 seems like a good choice) to not specify any parameters, demonstrating how 'NIL' is required in that case. That is, on page 9, change C: A003 CATENATE Sent FLAGS (\Seen $MDNSent) TEXT {541} to C: A003 CATENATE Sent NIL TEXT {541} Philip Guenther _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 30 07:19:08 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06107 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CjzS6-0006U4-LL for lemonade-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:30:50 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CjzD8-0006RH-3v; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:15:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Cjz3L-0004et-Rx for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:05:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA05321 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from comversegw.icomverse.com ([192.118.48.248] helo=il-tlv-smtpout2.icomverse.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CjzEd-0006Bm-W0 for lemonade@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:16:57 -0500 Received: from il-tlv-bridge01.comverse.com (il-tlv-bridge01.comverse.com [10.115.242.136]) by il-tlv-smtpout2.icomverse.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iBUC4uo09185 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:04:56 +0200 Received: from il-tlv-mail01.comverse.com ([10.115.242.87]) by il-tlv-bridge01.comverse.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:04:56 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4EE67.C71039FF" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:04:56 +0200 Message-ID: <045FA14A4C4F904BA2D5BEDC37E16AF8F2C125@il-tlv-mail01.comverse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: Proposal for Content Adaptation Thread-Index: AcTuZ8cFELmrYXELQjSoRsRV4w4foA== From: "Weingarten Jerry" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 12:04:56.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[C75DEC40:01C4EE67] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 441f623df000f14368137198649cb083 Subject: [lemonade] Proposal for Content Adaptation X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 9178bae9f85419fdc08e9f2c86e345d0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4EE67.C71039FF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C4EE67.C71039FF" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C4EE67.C71039FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 I would like to suggest a slight alternative to the CHANNEL suggestion to support content adaptation for mobile email. I am attaching a very initial draft of a document that describes my additions to the suggestion that was discussed extensively about a month ago. The main change to the CHANNEL suggestion is to have a server optionally provide, as part of the BODYSTRUCTURE of a fetched message suggestions for different formats for each of the body parts. More details are in the attached document. <>=20 Hoping to hear some feedback and wishing you all a Happy New Year, Yaacov (Jerry) Weingarten Comverse - Standards=20 phone: +972-3-645 2392 mobile: +972-52-854 2392 email: jerry.weingarten@comverse.com ------_=_NextPart_002_01C4EE67.C71039FF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Proposal for Content Adaptation

Hi all,

I would like to suggest a slight alternative to the CHANNEL = suggestion to support content adaptation for mobile email.  I am = attaching a very initial draft of a document that describes my additions = to the suggestion that was discussed extensively about a month = ago.  The main change to the CHANNEL suggestion is to have a server = optionally provide, as part of the BODYSTRUCTURE of a fetched message = suggestions for different formats for each of the body parts.  More = details are in the attached document.

<<C-ADAPT.txt>>

Hoping to hear some feedback and wishing you all a Happy New = Year,

Yaacov (Jerry) Weingarten

Comverse - Standards

phone: +972-3-645 2392

mobile: +972-52-854 2392

email: = jerry.weingarten@comverse.com

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