From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 11:32:29 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuBYr-0001TJ-GT; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:32:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuBYq-0001TD-4t for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:32:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24459 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxgate1.brooktrout.com ([204.176.74.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuBeL-0007Bb-Ab for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:38:10 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,330,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="25374294:sNHT30645792" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:32:21 -0500 Message-ID: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701EACA30@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: VIEW drafts on supplemental site Thread-Index: AcYRTG/QyJD3MueITtaaglcpsFjKwg== From: "Burger, Eric" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [lemonade] VIEW drafts on supplemental site X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At IETF 64, mention was made of two drafts that are no longer in the archive that are relevant to views / synthetic folders. There are at: And There are also links off of the supplemental web site: _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 13:41:06 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuDZK-0005Xj-LG; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:41:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuDZI-0005Xb-Px for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:41:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11485 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuDel-0003oV-TM for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:46:48 -0500 Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k04Iexuf010102 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0ISK00K01ZEPKD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Anil.Srivastava@Sun.COM) for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.18.127.162] (host-162-127-18-192.iplanet.com [192.18.127.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0ISK00CJGZWARG60@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:40:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:39:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Anil SRIVASTAVA Subject: Re: [lemonade] VIEW drafts on supplemental site In-reply-to: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701EACA30@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> To: "Burger, Eric" Message-id: Organization: Sun Microsystems [http://www.sun.com] MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pine 4.64 (Windows XP) - Got Pine? [http://www.washington.edu/pine] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: English; en X-Message-Class: normal X-Endorsement: Message brought to you by Sun Java Enterprise System Communication Suite 4 References: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701EACA30@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> X-Message-flag: Outlook: the best virus distribution system around X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Anil.Srivastava@Sun.COM List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org All the links from flyingfox to the drafts seem to be broken. Maybe a permission problem? Anil On 2006-01-04/11:32 [-0500], eburger@brooktrout.com [Burger, Eric] wrote: > At IETF 64, mention was made of two drafts that are no longer in the > archive that are relevant to views / synthetic folders. > > There are at: > > iew-03.txt> > > And > indow-00.txt> > > There are also links off of the supplemental web site: > > > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade > _______________ Anil SRIVASTAVA anil.srivastava@Sun.COM _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 16:39:33 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuGM1-0005x8-6G; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:39:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuGLz-0005x0-BB for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:39:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA06804 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxgate1.brooktrout.com ([204.176.74.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuGRX-00044Z-Rs for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:45:16 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,330,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="25389598:sNHT43053264" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] VIEW drafts on supplemental site Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701EACD90@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: [lemonade] VIEW drafts on supplemental site Thread-Index: AcYRXmlPShpxBmR8R+KM/IdmLTAIoAAGOzug From: "Burger, Eric" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thanks! Fixed. -----Original Message----- From: Anil.Srivastava@Sun.COM [mailto:Anil.Srivastava@Sun.COM]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:40 PM To: Burger, Eric Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] VIEW drafts on supplemental site All the links from flyingfox to the drafts seem to be broken. Maybe a=20 permission problem? Anil On 2006-01-04/11:32 [-0500], eburger@brooktrout.com [Burger, Eric] wrote: > At IETF 64, mention was made of two drafts that are no longer in the > archive that are relevant to views / synthetic folders. >=20 > There are at: >=20 > iew-03.txt> >=20 > And > indow-00.txt> >=20 > There are also links off of the supplemental web site: > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade >=20 _______________ Anil SRIVASTAVA anil.srivastava@Sun.COM _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 05 18:26:37 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EueVB-0004Db-64; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:26:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EueV9-0004DQ-8p; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:26:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09835; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eueav-0003I6-EG; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:32:33 -0500 Received: from magus.qualcomm.com (magus.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.148]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k05NQGoS008884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:26:16 -0800 Received: from [129.46.172.15] (loud.qualcomm.com [129.46.172.15]) by magus.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k05NQB9f004423; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:26:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43B50343.4070304@isode.com> References: <43B50343.4070304@isode.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X v7.0a X-message-flag: Using Outlook? Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:26:08 -0800 To: Alexey Melnikov From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] Last Call: 'Lemonade Profile' to Proposed Standard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b7d60495f1a7f2e853e8cbae7e6dbfc Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, "Stephane H. Maes" X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org At 12:52 PM +0300 12/30/05, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Randall Gellens wrote: > >> The draft is in good shape and ready to advance. I do have a few >> comments, all but one of which are editorial. I want to thank the >> editors for all their hard work in preparing this draft -- I >> really appreciate it. >> >> (1a) In section 2.4.1, the example includes: >> >> S2: {to M} OK (2XX) >> >> Submission server returns OK to the MUA: >> S: 250 2.5.0 Ok. >> >> (1b) In Section 2.4.2, the example includes: >> >> S2: {to M} OK (2XX) >> >> Submission server acknowledges acceptance of the message by sending >> 250 response to the last BDAT command: >> S: 250 2.5.0 Ok, message accepted. >> >> In both cases, I think the line 'S2: {to M} OK (2XX)' is not >> needed, is confusing (since 'S2' is not mentioned in the >> Conventions), >> > Corrected, thanks. > >> and is incorrect since the next line shows the submission server >> 'S' replying to the messaging client 'M'. >> > In both cases the text should read: > <> S: {to M} Submission server assembles the complete message and > if the assembly succeeds it acknowledges acceptance of the message > by sending 250 response to the last BDAT command: I think the text needs to be slightly different in the two cases, since in one case only BURL is used, while in the second, both BURL and BDAT are used. > >> (2) I think the first paragraph of 2.4.2 reads poorly, and I >> suggest changing it from: >> >> In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without >> download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited within >> an MUA. The BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] commands are then used >> to create the messages from multiple parts during submission >> [RFC2476], existing body parts are referenced using [URLAUTH] format >> URLs. >> >> to: >> >> In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without >> download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited within >> an MUA. During submission [RFC2476], BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] >> commands are used >> to create the messages from multiple parts. New body parts are >> supplied using >> BDAT commands, while existing body parts are referenced using >> [URLAUTH] format >> URLs in BURL commands. Was this suggested change OK? >> >> >> (3) Also in 2.4.2, I'd suggest rewording the sentence: >> >> It uses BURL to let the SMTP submit >> server fetch pieces of the message to be sent from the IMAP server >> (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). >> >> as: >> >> It uses BURL to instruct the SMTP submit >> server to fetch from the IMAP server pieces of the message to be sent >> (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). Was this suggested change OK? >> >> >> (4) Section 2.5 states: >> BURL MUST support >> URLAUTH type URLs [URLAUTH], and thus MUST advertise the "imap" >> option following the BURL EHLO keyword. >> >> Is this in conflict with the example in section 2.4.2 showing the >> client connecting to a submission server that doesn't announce >> 'imap' as part of its BURL support? >> > The BURL document says that if SMTP BURL keyword has no parameters, > then authentication/TLS is required to use BURL. > If you check the example, the response to the third EHLO contains > "BURL imap". Indeed so. Plus you have text that says "The third EHLO command is required if and only if the second EHLO response doesn't list any BURL options." I apologize -- somehow it didn't register when I was looking at the example. > > I understand that this can be easily overlooked. Any suggestions > how to make this clearer? All I can think of offhand would be to break the example into three sections (one for each EHLO) and include a sentence or two before each section explaining it. But that might be overkill. >> (5) In section 2.7, I suggest changing 'one or more COPY command' >> to 'one or more COPY commands' (make 'command' plural). >> >> >> (6) In section 2.8, I think ' $Forwarded IMAP keyword' should be >> 'The $Forwarded IMAP keyword". >> > Done: (5) and (6) > >> (7) In section 3.3, I think: >> >> Note a LEMONADE compliant mail submission server must perform message >> size limit enforcement after performing "expansion" of all BURL >> parts. >> >> Perhaps should be changed to: >> >> LEMONADE compliant mail submission servers MUST resolve >> ("expand") all BURL >> parts before enforcing a message size limit enforcement. >> > Done (I've dropped the last "enforcement"). Indeed that's better still. > >> (8) In section 5, "without the need for constant polling for >> changes" might be better worded as "without needing to poll for >> changes". >> > Changed. > >> (9) In section 6, perhaps delete 'an' from table headings 'Name of >> an SMTP extension' and 'Name of an IMAP extension or feature'. >> > Changed. > >> Maybe change 'Comment' to 'Source' in the second column table heading. >> > Some extensions have comments like "required by RFC XXXX". So I > would rather leave this as is. I think 'Source' is correct in both cases, as it is the source of the requirement. This is much more than a comment. > >> (10) In section 7, 'access of email from' might be better as >> 'usage of email by', >> > Changed. > >> to include both submission and retrieval. >> > I am not sure I understand the last part. I just meant that changing the wording from 'access of email from' to 'usage of email by' is better because the new wording ('access') includes both submission and retrieval, while the old wording ('access') implies retrieval only. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Green light in A.M. for new projects. Red light in P.M. for traffic tickets. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 06 09:34:39 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eusfv-0007ce-KM; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:34:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ErkuQ-00017Z-0e; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:40:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05965; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErkyY-0002jB-Ck; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:44:58 -0500 Received: from magus.qualcomm.com (magus.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.148]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id jBSNeNIf024821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:40:25 -0800 Received: from [129.46.172.15] (loud.qualcomm.com [129.46.172.15]) by magus.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id jBSNeD9f028654; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:40:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X v7.0a X-message-flag: Using Outlook? Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:37:16 -0800 To: lemonade@ietf.org, "Stephane H. Maes" , Alexey Melnikov , Chris Newman From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] Last Call: 'Lemonade Profile' to Proposed Standard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:34:35 -0500 Cc: iesg@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org The draft is in good shape and ready to advance. I do have a few comments, all but one of which are editorial. I want to thank the editors for all their hard work in preparing this draft -- I really appreciate it. (1a) In section 2.4.1, the example includes: S2: {to M} OK (2XX) Submission server returns OK to the MUA: S: 250 2.5.0 Ok. (1b) In Section 2.4.2, the example includes: S2: {to M} OK (2XX) Submission server acknowledges acceptance of the message by sending 250 response to the last BDAT command: S: 250 2.5.0 Ok, message accepted. In both cases, I think the line 'S2: {to M} OK (2XX)' is not needed, is confusing (since 'S2' is not mentioned in the Conventions), and is incorrect since the next line shows the submission server 'S' replying to the messaging client 'M'. (2) I think the first paragraph of 2.4.2 reads poorly, and I suggest changing it from: In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited within an MUA. The BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] commands are then used to create the messages from multiple parts during submission [RFC2476], existing body parts are referenced using [URLAUTH] format URLs. to: In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited within an MUA. During submission [RFC2476], BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] commands are used to create the messages from multiple parts. New body parts are supplied using BDAT commands, while existing body parts are referenced using [URLAUTH] format URLs in BURL commands. (3) Also in 2.4.2, I'd suggest rewording the sentence: It uses BURL to let the SMTP submit server fetch pieces of the message to be sent from the IMAP server (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). as: It uses BURL to instruct the SMTP submit server to fetch from the IMAP server pieces of the message to be sent (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). (4) Section 2.5 states: BURL MUST support URLAUTH type URLs [URLAUTH], and thus MUST advertise the "imap" option following the BURL EHLO keyword. Is this in conflict with the example in section 2.4.2 showing the client connecting to a submission server that doesn't announce 'imap' as part of its BURL support? Personally, I like seeing the example, and the requirement is reasonable. But it can be a bit confusing to read the requirement after seeing the example. (5) In section 2.7, I suggest changing 'one or more COPY command' to 'one or more COPY commands' (make 'command' plural). (6) In section 2.8, I think ' $Forwarded IMAP keyword' should be 'The $Forwarded IMAP keyword". (7) In section 3.3, I think: Note a LEMONADE compliant mail submission server must perform message size limit enforcement after performing "expansion" of all BURL parts. Perhaps should be changed to: LEMONADE compliant mail submission servers MUST resolve ("expand") all BURL parts before enforcing a message size limit enforcement. (8) In section 5, "without the need for constant polling for changes" might be better worded as "without needing to poll for changes". (9) In section 6, perhaps delete 'an' from table headings 'Name of an SMTP extension' and 'Name of an IMAP extension or feature'. Maybe change 'Comment' to 'Source' in the second column table heading. (10) In section 7, 'access of email from' might be better as 'usage of email by', to include both submission and retrieval. (11) In section 8.2, I suggest changing 'a replay attack that will disclose' to 'a replay attack that may disclose', since it is not certain that a reply attack will disclose the contents. (12) Also in section 8.2, I think you should make 'connection' plural in 'submission servers SHOULD use TLS protected IMAP connection'. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Procedures! Of course, that's what you'd use with a *sophisticated* machine like this. Procedures. --'Ceaser Smith' in _Hot_Millions_ _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 02:10:53 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwDef-0007Cx-Kz; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:10:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwDed-0007CG-3r for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:10:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09806 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxgate1.brooktrout.com ([204.176.74.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwDlG-00079p-SN for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:17:43 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,349,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="25728930:sNHT97264392" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] Last Call: 'Lemonade Profile' to Proposed Standard Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701F542C2@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Last Call: 'Lemonade Profile' to Proposed Standard Thread-Index: AcYSz4ct/+hV5GPbTEirzWyVoFJuigC1OHHA From: "Burger, Eric" To: "Stephane H. Maes" , "Alexey Melnikov" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d2b46e3b2dfbff2088e0b72a54104985 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lemonade@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Any other thoughts? I'd like to close this before the Interim Meeting. -----Original Message----- From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gellens Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:37 PM To: lemonade@ietf.org; Stephane H. Maes; Alexey Melnikov; Chris Newman Cc: iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Last Call: 'Lemonade Profile' to Proposed Standard The draft is in good shape and ready to advance. I do have a few=20 comments, all but one of which are editorial. I want to thank the=20 editors for all their hard work in preparing this draft -- I really=20 appreciate it. (1a) In section 2.4.1, the example includes: S2: {to M} OK (2XX) Submission server returns OK to the MUA: S: 250 2.5.0 Ok. (1b) In Section 2.4.2, the example includes: S2: {to M} OK (2XX) Submission server acknowledges acceptance of the message by sending 250 response to the last BDAT command: S: 250 2.5.0 Ok, message accepted. In both cases, I think the line 'S2: {to M} OK (2XX)' is not needed,=20 is confusing (since 'S2' is not mentioned in the Conventions), and is=20 incorrect since the next line shows the submission server 'S'=20 replying to the messaging client 'M'. (2) I think the first paragraph of 2.4.2 reads poorly, and I suggest=20 changing it from: In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited within an MUA. The BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] commands are then used to create the messages from multiple parts during submission [RFC2476], existing body parts are referenced using [URLAUTH] format URLs. to: In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited within an MUA. During submission [RFC2476], BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] commands are used to create the messages from multiple parts. New body parts are=20 supplied using BDAT commands, while existing body parts are referenced using=20 [URLAUTH] format URLs in BURL commands. (3) Also in 2.4.2, I'd suggest rewording the sentence: It uses BURL to let the SMTP submit server fetch pieces of the message to be sent from the IMAP server (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). as: It uses BURL to instruct the SMTP submit server to fetch from the IMAP server pieces of the message to be sent (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). (4) Section 2.5 states: BURL MUST support URLAUTH type URLs [URLAUTH], and thus MUST advertise the "imap" option following the BURL EHLO keyword. Is this in conflict with the example in section 2.4.2 showing the=20 client connecting to a submission server that doesn't announce 'imap'=20 as part of its BURL support? Personally, I like seeing the example, and the requirement is=20 reasonable. But it can be a bit confusing to read the requirement=20 after seeing the example. (5) In section 2.7, I suggest changing 'one or more COPY command' to=20 'one or more COPY commands' (make 'command' plural). (6) In section 2.8, I think ' $Forwarded IMAP keyword' should be 'The=20 $Forwarded IMAP keyword". (7) In section 3.3, I think: Note a LEMONADE compliant mail submission server must perform message size limit enforcement after performing "expansion" of all BURL parts. Perhaps should be changed to: LEMONADE compliant mail submission servers MUST resolve ("expand") all BURL parts before enforcing a message size limit enforcement. (8) In section 5, "without the need for constant polling for changes"=20 might be better worded as "without needing to poll for changes". (9) In section 6, perhaps delete 'an' from table headings 'Name of an=20 SMTP extension' and 'Name of an IMAP extension or feature'. Maybe=20 change 'Comment' to 'Source' in the second column table heading. (10) In section 7, 'access of email from' might be better as 'usage=20 of email by', to include both submission and retrieval. (11) In section 8.2, I suggest changing 'a replay attack that will=20 disclose' to 'a replay attack that may disclose', since it is not=20 certain that a reply attack will disclose the contents. (12) Also in section 8.2, I think you should make 'connection' plural=20 in 'submission servers SHOULD use TLS protected IMAP connection'. --=20 Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Procedures! Of course, that's what you'd use with a *sophisticated* machine like this. Procedures. --'Ceaser Smith' in _Hot_Millions_ _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 02:10:54 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwDeg-0007DP-0k; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:10:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwDec-0007CE-On; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:10:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA09803; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxgate1.brooktrout.com ([204.176.74.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwDlG-00079p-Bj; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:17:42 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,349,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="25728929:sNHT60171408" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Simple Message Notification Protocol (was RE: [lemonade] draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-00) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:10:34 -0500 Message-ID: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701F542C0@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: Simple Message Notification Protocol (was RE: [lemonade] draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-00) Thread-Index: AcYIGDugRUkyC6xeS8mG2MKMTAW32QNi1Hsw From: "Burger, Eric" To: "Dave Cridland" , "Mark Crispin" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 87a3f533bb300b99e2a18357f3c1563d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, notifications@ietf.org X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [Copied to Notifications] On the concrete level, text describing this "simple protocol" would be welcome. A quick draft or pointer to a document somewhere would help the discussion. On the abstract level, would the 'notifications' community be happy with a protocol that 'just works for messaging' (note I did not say IMAP in particular), or does it have to work for 'everything'? -----Original Message----- From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Cridland Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 6:11 PM To: Mark Crispin Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments Subject: Re: [lemonade] draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-sieve-00 On Fri Dec 23 22:19:24 2005, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Curtis King wrote: >> The simplest way to get notifications is have a new notification=20 >> protocol which IMAP servers, clients, sieve scripts, and out-band=20 >> push notifications can all use. This is simple to implement, no=20 >> extensions needed to IMAP, can reuse existing notification=20 >> technologies, etc. >=20 > I agree. >=20 >=20 Yes, same. The tricky bit is that IMAP servers need to implement=20 this, when the mail server package as a whole may already support=20 Sieve, and there are also multiple Sieve implementations available=20 easily. Arguably, adding some form of Sieve support to IMAP - possibly=20 including adding Sieve test or scripts as a SEARCH criterion -=20 effectively adds one item of bloat to IMAP, and passes the entire=20 problem onto Sieve implementors, who're working hard and actively to=20 develop Sieve, and solve many of the problems that IMAP would benefit=20 from being solved. (I phrase this in this awkward way to avoid you=20 thinking I mean "IMAP will die..." - because it won't. But it would=20 be better.) To give an example, I've yet to find a conclusive, efficient, method=20 of searching for messages with parts of a particular type without=20 searching for strings likely to be found in the type's content, and=20 then recutting the search locally - that's painful. The better=20 alternative is to use Sieve, but that's only available at the point=20 of delivery, so the method ends up being "tag mails with a user=20 defined flag on delivery, hope that this is done before we actually=20 need to find those parts". I'm not a huge fan of methods which=20 include the word "hope". Extending SEARCH to allow for Sieve would solve this, and every issue=20 Cyrus raised in his point 1. That all said, I think the interesting uses of Sieve are in=20 post-delivery filtering and SEARCH, and not notifications. >> I do believe you and Lyndon have suggested this before. I'm very=20 >> curious why there is no interest in implementing such a service? >=20 > I am interested in implementing such a service. >=20 >=20 I'm sort of. I think that developing a generalized notification=20 service is tricky. I think that developing a method for the IMAP=20 server to be made to issue notifications (on IDLE or NOOP) might be=20 possible. > In 2002, I even implemented a prototype of such a service. It was=20 > a nice, sweet protocol, easy to implement. What's more, it had=20 > working code. >=20 > I'm not the only person to have done something like this, either. >=20 >=20 The outline you kindly sent me in private mail had one line in it=20 that greatly interested me. You said, and I'm not quoting, something along the lines of using=20 URLAUTH as an authentication-by-proxy for notification access. I mentioned this in passing to Philip Guenther, and between us (but=20 mostly Philip), we arrived at the following concept: [Note this uses=20 Magic in the approved sense of non-IETF] 1) Client requests from GENURLAUTH some form of URL not currently=20 supported, such as SEARCH URLs, mailbox URLs, LIST URLs, etc. Server=20 signs these and returns. 2) Client hands these via Magical Means to a Magic Notification=20 Server. The interesting thing here is that said Magical Means might=20 be SMS, WAP, or TCP. (Mark's implementation is TCP, in fact). 3) Said Magic Notification Server then hands these to IMAP server,=20 using them to request notifications. These notifications are=20 content-free, much like existing in-band IMAP notifications. Should a=20 client which finally receives, or at least responds to, these=20 notifications require content, it must connect, authenticate, and=20 retrieve the content normally. This means that the nasty hideous part of notifications - that is,=20 actually getting the notifications to the client - is actually placed=20 neatly well out of scope of the servers. Thus a Magic Notification=20 Server could be provided by a mobile network operator, or a=20 mailserver ISV. Or even both, covering different actualy notification=20 protocols. The IMAP extensions needed are fairly minimal - yes, we're extending=20 the protocol, but we're not spending as much time extending the=20 software required. > The problem is that every time someone tries to produce a write up=20 > of such an effort, everybody immediately starts making the spurious=20 > "if protocol does not have functionality, then will=20 > die" argument to press to add everything but the kitchen sink. =20 > Each time this happens, the guy who did the work decides "I don't=20 > need this headache" and drops it. >=20 > This is, sadly, a systemic problem throughout the IETF. No, there's a worse systemic problem, but that involves the creation=20 of new protocols within the IETF. I think what you describe is merely=20 a minor symptom of it. But that's another story for another time. For now, Merry Christmas for those that intend getting merry, Happy=20 Yule for those willing to be happy, and best wishes for the new year,=20 for those that actually have a new year at roughly this time. Dave. --=20 You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" - George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 06:38:54 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EweJa-00014Z-83; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:38:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EweJY-00014U-LP for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:38:52 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04246 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext04.nokia.com ([131.228.20.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EweQR-0007ot-2O for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:46:00 -0500 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext04.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k0BBanRR023134; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:36:50 +0200 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:43 +0200 Received: from trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.124.61]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:43 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] INTERIM MEETING VISA and Other Information Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:38:44 +0200 Message-ID: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF4237000176CE6F@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB1966664701E45CA3@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: [lemonade] INTERIM MEETING VISA and Other Information Thread-Index: AcYLyDItngF7qUYVT6yhQGNlDPJjOwK2x/dg To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 11:38:43.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[931BF0C0:01C616A3] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Just some practical information for those who did not visit China = before. Very few people speak English, so be sure to get the Chinese name (and = address) of the hotel You are staying at in written form - otherwise You = will have difficulties getting there as the taxi driver will not = understand where You want to go. Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan.ordogh@nokia.com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 -----Original Message----- From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext Burger, Eric Sent: 28 December, 2005 18:03 To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] INTERIM MEETING VISA and Other Information Importance: High We have venue, hotel, and local information posted to the lemonade supplemental web site, . URGENT NOTICE: IF you chose to get a business visa, you MUST send CMCC a request for an invitation letter. Sending out your request today or tomorrow (or Tuesday) would be a very good thing, and will save YOU a lot of money and aggravation. Visa information is at=20 and from your local Chinese Embassy web page. IF you chose to get a business visa, the request form is at _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 23:08:18 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewtl4-0003nm-Ly; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewtl2-0003lJ-9A for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17980 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55] helo=huawei.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with 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with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex2Dh-0003CU-4E; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:10:29 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.198] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com via TCP (submission) with ESMTPA; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:02:33 +0000 Message-ID: <43C65367.7060202@isode.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:02:31 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [lemonade] Last Call: 'Lemonade Profile' to Proposed Standard References: <43B50343.4070304@isode.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 43317e64100dd4d87214c51822b582d1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, "Stephane H. Maes" X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Randall Gellens wrote: > At 12:52 PM +0300 12/30/05, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Randall Gellens wrote: >> >>> The draft is in good shape and ready to advance. I do have a few >>> comments, all but one of which are editorial. I want to thank the >>> editors for all their hard work in preparing this draft -- I really >>> appreciate it. >>> >>> (1a) In section 2.4.1, the example includes: >>> >>> S2: {to M} OK (2XX) >>> >>> Submission server returns OK to the MUA: >>> S: 250 2.5.0 Ok. >>> >>> (1b) In Section 2.4.2, the example includes: >>> >>> S2: {to M} OK (2XX) >>> >>> Submission server acknowledges acceptance of the message by >>> sending >>> 250 response to the last BDAT command: >>> S: 250 2.5.0 Ok, message accepted. >>> >>> In both cases, I think the line 'S2: {to M} OK (2XX)' is not >>> needed, is confusing (since 'S2' is not mentioned in the Conventions), >> >> Corrected, thanks. >> >>> and is incorrect since the next line shows the submission server >>> 'S' replying to the messaging client 'M'. >> >> In both cases the text should read: >> S: {to M} Submission server assembles the complete message and if >> the assembly succeeds it acknowledges acceptance of the message by >> sending 250 response to the last BDAT command: > > > I think the text needs to be slightly different in the two cases, > since in one case only BURL is used, while in the second, both BURL > and BDAT are used. Yes, the text is actually different to reflect that. >>> (2) I think the first paragraph of 2.4.2 reads poorly, and I >>> suggest changing it from: >>> >>> In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without >>> download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited >>> within >>> an MUA. The BURL [BURL] and BDAT [CHINKING] commands are then used >>> to create the messages from multiple parts during submission >>> [RFC2476], existing body parts are referenced using [URLAUTH] >>> format >>> URLs. >>> >>> to: >>> >>> In the [BURL]/[CHUNKING] variant of the Lemonade "forward without >>> download" strategy, messages are initially composed and edited >>> within >>> an MUA. During submission [RFC2476], BURL [BURL] and BDAT >>> [CHINKING] >>> commands are used >>> to create the messages from multiple parts. New body parts are >>> supplied using >>> BDAT commands, while existing body parts are referenced using >>> [URLAUTH] format >>> URLs in BURL commands. >> > Was this suggested change OK? Yes, the document was updated. >>> (3) Also in 2.4.2, I'd suggest rewording the sentence: >>> >>> It uses BURL to let the SMTP submit >>> server fetch pieces of the message to be sent from the IMAP >>> server >>> (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). >>> >>> as: >>> >>> It uses BURL to instruct the SMTP submit >>> server to fetch from the IMAP server pieces of the message to >>> be sent >>> (See [BURL] for details of the semantics and steps). >> > > Was this suggested change OK? Yes. >>> (4) Section 2.5 states: >>> BURL MUST support >>> URLAUTH type URLs [URLAUTH], and thus MUST advertise the "imap" >>> option following the BURL EHLO keyword. >>> >>> Is this in conflict with the example in section 2.4.2 showing the >>> client connecting to a submission server that doesn't announce >>> 'imap' as part of its BURL support? >>> >> The BURL document says that if SMTP BURL keyword has no parameters, >> then authentication/TLS is required to use BURL. >> If you check the example, the response to the third EHLO contains >> "BURL imap". > > > Indeed so. Plus you have text that says "The third EHLO command is > required if and only if the second EHLO response doesn't list any BURL > options." I apologize -- somehow it didn't register when I was > looking at the example. > >> I understand that this can be easily overlooked. Any suggestions how >> to make this clearer? > > All I can think of offhand would be to break the example into three > sections (one for each EHLO) and include a sentence or two before each > section explaining it. But that might be overkill. I think it would be overkill as well. An attentive reader will come to the proper conclusion. >>> (5) In section 2.7, I suggest changing 'one or more COPY command' >>> to 'one or more COPY commands' (make 'command' plural). >>> >>> >>> (6) In section 2.8, I think ' $Forwarded IMAP keyword' should be >>> 'The $Forwarded IMAP keyword". >>> >> Done: (5) and (6) >> >>> (7) In section 3.3, I think: >>> >>> Note a LEMONADE compliant mail submission server must perform >>> message >>> size limit enforcement after performing "expansion" of all BURL >>> parts. >>> >>> Perhaps should be changed to: >>> >>> LEMONADE compliant mail submission servers MUST resolve >>> ("expand") all BURL >>> parts before enforcing a message size limit enforcement. >>> >> Done (I've dropped the last "enforcement"). > > Indeed that's better still. > >>> (8) In section 5, "without the need for constant polling for >>> changes" might be better worded as "without needing to poll for >>> changes". >> >> Changed. >> >>> (9) In section 6, perhaps delete 'an' from table headings 'Name of >>> an SMTP extension' and 'Name of an IMAP extension or feature'. >> >> Changed. >> >>> Maybe change 'Comment' to 'Source' in the second column table heading. >>> >> Some extensions have comments like "required by RFC XXXX". So I >> would rather leave this as is. > > I think 'Source' is correct in both cases, as it is the source of the > requirement. This is much more than a comment. I don't feel strongly about this. >>> (10) In section 7, 'access of email from' might be better as 'usage >>> of email by', >> >> Changed. >> >>> to include both submission and retrieval. >>> >> I am not sure I understand the last part. > > > I just meant that changing the wording from 'access of email from' to > 'usage of email by' is better because the new wording ('access') > includes both submission and retrieval, while the old wording > ('access') implies retrieval only. Ah, Ok. Alexey _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 15 08:56:45 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ey8NA-0008EO-UG; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:56:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwrpK-0006MK-4X; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:04:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA06889; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu ([128.9.160.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwrwL-0001Pb-A8; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:11:49 -0500 Received: from ISI.EDU (adma.isi.edu [128.9.160.239]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k0C22Di11911; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:02:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200601120202.k0C22Di11911@boreas.isi.edu> To: ietf-announce@ietf.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=NextPart Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:02:13 -0800 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rfc-ed@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: -14.6 (--------------) X-Scan-Signature: 287c806b254c6353fcb09ee0e53bbc5e X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:56:43 -0500 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [lemonade] RFC 4356 on Mapping Between the Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS) and Internet Mail X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4356 Title: Mapping Between the Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS) and Internet Mail Author(s): R. Gellens Status: Standards Track Date: January 2006 Mailbox: randy@qualcomm.com Pages: 31 Characters: 69427 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-lemonade-mms-mapping-06.txt URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4356.txt The cellular telephone industry has defined a service known as the Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS). This service uses formats and protocols that are similar to, but differ in key ways from, those used in Internet mail. One important difference between MMS and Internet Mail is that MMS uses headers that start with "X-Mms-" to carry a variety of user agent- and server-related information elements. This document specifies how to exchange messages between these two services, including mapping information elements as used in MMS \%X-Mms-* headers as well as delivery and disposition reports, to and from that used in SMTP and Internet message headers. 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This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : Lemonade Profile Author(s) : S. Maes, A. Melnikov Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-07.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2006-1-20 This document describes a profile (a set of required extensions, restrictions and usage modes) of the IMAP and mail submission protocols. This profile allows clients (especially those that are constrained in memory, bandwidth, processing power, or other areas) to efficiently use IMAP and Submission to access and submit mail. This includes the ability to forward received mail without needing to download and upload the mail, to optimize submission and to efficiently resynchronize in case of loss of connectivity with the server. The Lemonade profile relies upon extensions to IMAP and Mail Submission protocols; specifically URLAUTH and CATENATE IMAP protocol [RFC3501] extensions and BURL extension to the SUBMIT protocol [SUBMIT]. 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The agenda is slightly updated. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 22 11:35:49 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0iBx-0005z8-Ph; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:35:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0iBv-0005z2-NB for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:35:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00327 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxgate1.brooktrout.com ([204.176.74.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F0iL5-0004bi-N2 for lemonade@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:45:16 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,210,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="26616023:sNHT32708136" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB19666647020A1674@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: Remote Access Thread-Index: AcYfceQhmZVXNx+cRwWe6X5IlfwQcA== From: "Burger, Eric" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [lemonade] Remote Access X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Remote Access information is posted to the supplemental web site. Note this information is subject to change. Check back if you are having problems. http://flyingfox.snowshore.com/i-d/lemonade/slides64-5/slides64-5.html#d ial-in Conference Bridge Audio Bridge Password: 3937582# Access numbers Location Number Canada +1 613-765-0170 San Jose +1 408-495-5113 Boston +1 978-288-4793 United Kingdom +44 162-843-1170 France +33 16-955-2170 Hong Kong +852 2100-2300 The World sip:carmeetme@nortel.com Jabber Usual Jabber coordinates: Room: lemonade Server: ietf.xmpp.org Logs: http://www.xmpp.org/ietf-logs/lemonade@ietf.xmpp.org/ iChat If we get through the firewall: iChat/AIM video conference: ietflemonade Centra Centra (a Windows-only application sharing web page, but does claim Netscape compatibility). Yes, a last resort. URL: https://centra.nortel.com/main/ Event ID: STR955865 Event Password: Beijing _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 23 04:29:02 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0y0U-00034V-7Q; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:29:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0y0S-00031k-Si for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:29:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA01612 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com ([47.129.242.57] helo=zcars04f.nortel.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F0y9k-00078R-IY for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:38:39 -0500 Received: from zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.95]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k0N9SjN28220 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D07FA96E7@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> Thread-Topic: Beijing Logistics Thread-Index: AcYf/135zGhFRzZVQGKtssToRZ2fqg== From: "Glenn Parsons" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Subject: [lemonade] Beijing Logistics X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0605997135==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0605997135== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61FFF.5F48EB8D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61FFF.5F48EB8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, A quick update of local logistics for the LEMONADE meeting on Jan = 24-25th. The facility and meals are courtesy of our local host - China Mobile. Jan 24th=20 (all times Beijing, GMT +8) 11am - lunch - Rose room 12 noon - LEMONADE - Lotus room 5:45pm - supper - Rose room Jan 25th=20 (all times Beijing, GMT +8) 8am - LEMONADE - Lotus room 12 noon - lunch - Caf=E9 Cha =20 Note that additional details (including remote logistics) are on the = supplemental site: http://flyingfox.snowshore.com/i-d/lemonade/slides64-5/slides64-5.html Cheers, Glenn. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61FFF.5F48EB8D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Beijing Logistics

Folks,

A quick update of local logistics for = the LEMONADE meeting on Jan 24-25th.

The facility and meals are courtesy of = our local host - China Mobile.

    Jan 24th
    (all times Beijing, GMT +8)

    11am - lunch - Rose room
    12 noon - LEMONADE - Lotus room
    5:45pm - supper - Rose room

    Jan 25th
    (all times Beijing, GMT +8)

    8am - LEMONADE - Lotus room
    12 noon - lunch - Caf=E9 Cha

 
Note that additional details = (including remote logistics) are on the supplemental site:
http://flyingfox.snowshore.com/i-d/lemonade/slides64-5/sli= des64-5.html

Cheers,
Glenn.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61FFF.5F48EB8D-- --===============0605997135== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --===============0605997135==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 23 14:27:19 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F17LT-0007Hp-73; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:27:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F17LR-0007Hh-EQ for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:27:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11405 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F17Up-00014T-Dz for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:37:00 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k0NJR18r000747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:27:01 -0800 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (vpn-10-50-16-131.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.131]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k0NJQxgu002695 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:27:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:26:57 -0800 To: lemonade@ietf.org From: Ted Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by numenor.qualcomm.com id k0NJR18r000747 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 21bf7a2f1643ae0bf20c1e010766eb78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [lemonade] Fwd: Submission of New Liaison Statement, "OMA MWG-MEM SWG Response to Liaison on Mobile e-mail from the IETF LEMONADE WG" X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org >To: eburger@brooktrout.com, gparsons@nortel.com >Cc: hardie@qualcomm.com, sah@428cobrajet.net, Dorothy.gellert@nokia.com, > Dorothy.gellert@nokia.com, statements@ietf.org >From: Dean Willis(IETF) >Subject: Submission of New Liaison Statement, "OMA MWG-MEM SWG Response = to > Liaison on Mobile e-mail from the IETF LEMONADE WG" >Sender: Apache >Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:54:02 -0500 > > >Title: OMA MWG-MEM SWG Response to Liaison on Mobile e-mail from the IET= F LEMONADE WG >Submission Date: 2006-01-23 >URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_de= tail.cgi?detail_id=3D190 > >From: Dean Willis(IETF) >To: IETF LEMONADE WG(eburger@brooktrout.com, gparsons@nortel.com) >Cc: hardie@qualcomm.com >sah@428cobrajet.net >Reponse Contact: Dorothy.gellert@nokia.com >Technical Contact: Dorothy.gellert@nokia.com >Purpose: In response >Body: 1 Overview > >The IETF LEMONADE WG responded to the liaison initiated by OMA MEM SWG. = This response is available as document OMA-MEM-2005-0079-ILS-Mobile-email= -AD-RD. > >This liaison is in response to OMA-MEM-2005-0079-ILS-Mobile-email-AD-RD. > >2 Proposal > >The IETF LEMONADE liaison response, OMA-MEM-2005-0079-ILS-Mobile-email-A= D-RD was presented to the OMA MWG-MEM at the Athens OMA meeting on Decemb= er 12th, 2005. The following comments and discussion points were agreed= by the OMA MEM SWG regarding the IETF liaison. > >There was some confusion raised by the IETF working group draft provided= in the IETF liaison response. In particular: > > -The draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt re-states sections = of the AD. The OMA MEM WG suggests referencing the OMA MEM AD to describ= e the OMA MEM architecture, rather than summarizing the architecture spec= ification. > > - Draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt. raises questions as t= o the division of work between the OMA and IETF. The OMA MEM WG wants to= avoid duplication of technical specifications to avoid confusion. S= ince this draft is now a WG item, it is unclear to some that the OMA has = ownership of an OMA Technical Specification of an IETF LEMONADE based sol= ution for the OMA MEM enabler. > >The following are responses to the specific questions raised by the IETF= LEMONADE WG in the liaison: > >1. Is a protocol really needed to cope with lost notifications: > >2. =E2*=9CCache delete=E2*=9D is more precise than =E2*=9Dlocal delete=E2= *=9D. >Within OMA MEM, =E2*=9Ccache=E2*=9D is considered to be temporary storag= e, and this terminology is not appropriate since there may still be a cop= y of the message on the client. Since the AD clearly defines the meaning = of the term =E2*=9Clocal delete=E2*=9D, OMA MEM would prefer to retain th= e term =E2*=9CLocal delete=E2*=9D. > >3. Are signed notifications required?=20 >Yes, the signature is required in the protocol. We have discussed the o= ption of turning this on and off, but the functionality is required to me= et the RD. > >Responses to Section 7 of IETF draft (17 mechanisms): > >1. No comment > >2. This should be referred back to the earlier question on =E2*=9Ccoping= with lost notifications=E2*=9D as the statement =E2*=9CThis is supported= by ensuring that the LEMONADE protocol does not require that the notific= ation have been received by the MUA.=E2*=9D Goes back to the solution to = be worked out for that question. However, they should include some kind o= f indication to Sieve not to generate notification in-band (only out-band= .) Using LFilter to allow the user to update the filters from the MEM cli= ent could be a remote Sieve update, XDM, etc.=20 > >3. There are items that are labelled as =E2*=9C--=E2*=9C with a note tha= t the item is not in the scope of IETF. However, we believe that these sh= ould be changed to =E2*=9C++=E2*=9Dindiccating MEM responsibility. > >4. Local & Attachment should be changed to =E2*=9C++=E2*=9D out of scope= of Lemonade and =E2*=9CRemote=E2*=9D is believed to be handled by IMAP i= n two steps, deleting with marked deleted (from client=E2*=99s view) and = sponging it later (when & how?). > >5. It=E2*=99s understood that CONVERT references OMA STI. Client decides= the conversion and server performs conversion (or does not with raising = a flag.) > >6. No comment. > >7. For =E2*=9CClient to server: e.g. rules filters vacation notices, not= ification channel, ...,=E2*=9D, there are other methods, e.g., XDMS. > >8. Can you provide feedback to the =E2*=9Cminimizing delays=E2*=9D aspec= ts? > >9. Why =E2*=9Cto reduce the notifications to the exchange of information= that may not have to be encrypted=E2*=9D if the notifications carry info= rmation worth protecting? We (OMA MEM) are of the opinion that there migh= t be cases where the notifications include data worth protecting. > >10. No comment. > >11. No comment. > >12. No comment. > >13. No comment > >14. LEMONADE should be aware that there may be limitations on the >mobile devices for mutual authentication as opposed to a full-featured f= ixed internet terminal device. May be the object level encryption can be = used and the key can be re-used. > >15. The intent here is to have the recall feature extend beyond the subm= it server domain. It is an end-to-end recall requirement, recalling the m= essage. > >16. No comment. > >17. No comment. > > > >OMA MWG-MEM intends to provide detailed updates of the Mobile e-mail ena= bler related activities, including disposition of the comments received f= rom LEMONADE. >3 Requested Action(s) >We request the IETF LEMONADE Working Group to consider and accept these = comments.=20 >4 Conclusion >OMA MWG-MEM SWG wishes to thank the IETF LEMONADE WG for its response to= OMA MWG-MEM=E2*=99s previous liaison and for the analysis and feedback t= hey provided regarding the draft OMA Mobile Email RD and AD. >OMA MWG-MEM looks forward to continued collaboration on these matters wi= th the IETF LEMONADE WG. >Finally, OMA MWG-MEM wishes to thank the IETF LEMONADE WG for its kind c= onsideration of this liaison. >Attachment(s): > Liaision Statement Original in MS Word Format (https://datatracker.= ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file261.doc) _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 23 18:39:21 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1BHN-0001e4-7I; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:39:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1BHL-0001dr-2f for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:39:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04616 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com ([47.140.192.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F1BQj-0003K0-9l for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:49:04 -0500 Received: from zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.95]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k0NNcxV20656 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D08017120@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> Thread-Topic: OMA liaison Thread-Index: AcYgdi3oaBZiEOjoSZWJeY9Lb/soXA== From: "Glenn Parsons" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Subject: [lemonade] OMA liaison X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0469877763==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0469877763== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C62076.2EB2A895" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62076.2EB2A895 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, A liaison from OMA has just been posted on the IETF site -- though it was sent last year. The delay is due to a system glitch. https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=3D190 We will discuss this during the interim session. Cheers, Glenn. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62076.2EB2A895 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OMA liaison

Folks,

A liaison from OMA has just been posted = on the IETF site -- though it was sent last year.  The delay is due = to a system glitch.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?det= ail_id=3D190

We will discuss this during the interim = session.

Cheers,
Glenn.

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This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : CONVERT Author(s) : S. Maes, R. Cromwell Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-convert-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2006-1-23 CONVERT defines extensions to the IMAPv4 Rev1 protocol [RFC3501] for optimization in a mobile setting, aimed at allowing adaptation and transcoding of attachments as needed by the client. Conversion (adaptation, transcoding) may be requested by the client and performed by the server on a best effort basis or decided by the server based on its knowledge of the client capabilities, user or administrator preferences or its settings. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-convert-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-1-23164630.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-lemonade-convert-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-lemonade-convert-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-1-23164630.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --NextPart-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 23 21:38:46 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1E50-00066O-BU; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:38:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1E4y-00066H-My for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:38:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA27240 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext01.nokia.com ([131.228.20.93]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F1EEO-0004ex-KV for lemonade@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:48:31 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext01.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k0O2CSiY015588 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:12:28 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:12:27 +0200 Received: from trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.124.61]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:12:27 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6208B.9F8B46FA" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:12:27 +0200 Message-ID: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF4237000183C58E@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: Comments vs various Lemonade Phase 2 drafts Thread-Index: AcYgimEef01s8jT7RtytYwoWlNbJYw== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 02:12:27.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F7CFF70:01C6208B] X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 23776db464f2bef49f6ef0d6857b4195 Subject: [lemonade] Comments vs various Lemonade Phase 2 drafts X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6208B.9F8B46FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have reviewed most of the Phase 2 drafts we have on the agenda for the = Beijing meeting. I am not sure what is the best way to present these, I included all = comments in a single word document (ZIPed). There are a lot of editorials, and quite a few questions as well. It does not matter if we cannot go trough these during the meeting as = long as the authors read and address the issues. Contact me separately if necessary. Thank You. Here is the list of documents reviewed/commented: 1. Quick reconnect - RECONNECT 2. Filter - SIEVE 3. Content transformation - CONVERT 4. Server-to-Client-Notiifcations 5. Compression - LZIP 6. Firewalls - HTTP Binding 7. 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2006 03:37:33 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:36:33 +0200 Message-ID: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF4237000183CC16@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> Thread-Topic: S2C Notification draft Thread-Index: AcYhT8YFRjOZinXDSwe+eIOvDFYVcA== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 01:37:33.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9A75B30:01C6214F] X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [lemonade] S2C Notification draft X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Hi Stephane and all, This draft includes a list off possible events: " and is one of=20 NEW_MESSAGE=20 DELETED_MESSAGE=20 CHANGED_MESSAGE=20 SYNC=20 FULL_SYNC=20 STATE_COMPARISON_SYNC=20 NEW_ENC_KEY=20 LOCK_DOWN=20 " It seems to be that it is not possible to extend this list. (The "is one = of" implies that.) Would it be possible to change this syntax in a way that it allows other = kind (custom) of notifications to be added? Thank You. Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh E-mail: zoltan.ordogh@nokia.com Phone: +358 50 386 0566 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 24 21:15:22 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1aBu-0001ct-Fo; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:15:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1aBt-0001bo-5e; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:15:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA27534; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bda036.bis.na.blackberry.com ([216.9.249.36]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F1aLX-0003YZ-Gm; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:25:20 -0500 Received: from bda036-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bda036.bis.na.blackberry.com (8.13.4 TEAMON/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0P2EvGY008193; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:14:57 GMT Message-ID: <15216314.1138155297268.JavaMail.teamon@bda036-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF4237000183CC16@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF4237000183CC16@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com, lemonade-bounces@ietf.org, lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] S2C Notification draft From: "Stephane H. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --===============1421220215==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 24 21:26:04 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1aMF-0005JK-VH; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:26:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1aME-0005J8-Ch for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:26:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA28527 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F1aVk-0003y9-54 for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:35:57 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1138155937!9772134!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [134.24.146.4] Received: (qmail 4594 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2006 02:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maillennium.att.com) (134.24.146.4) by server-10.tower-121.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2006 02:25:38 -0000 Received: from [135.70.129.84] (unknown[135.70.129.84](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20060125022536gw100100ooe> (Authid: tony); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:25:36 +0000 Message-ID: <43D6E196.1000109@att.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:25:26 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] S2C Notification draft References: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF4237000183CC16@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> <15216314.1138155297268.JavaMail.teamon@bda036-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <15216314.1138155297268.JavaMail.teamon@bda036-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Consider it an axiom: Any protocol being designed these days should have an extension mechanism and a way of asking what are the server's capabilities. Tony Hansen tony@att.com Stephane H. Maes wrote: > Yes it would be good to allow extensions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:36:33 > To: > Subject: [lemonade] S2C Notification draft > > Hi Stephane and all, > This draft includes a list off possible events: > " and is one of > NEW_MESSAGE > DELETED_MESSAGE > CHANGED_MESSAGE > SYNC > FULL_SYNC > STATE_COMPARISON_SYNC > NEW_ENC_KEY > LOCK_DOWN > " > It seems to be that it is not possible to extend this list. (The "is one of" implies that.) > Would it be possible to change this syntax in a way that it allows other kind (custom) of notifications to be added? > Thank You. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 25 16:33:56 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1sH6-0005kD-Rx; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:33:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1sH5-0005k5-V1 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:33:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25135 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com ([47.129.242.57] helo=zcars04f.nortel.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F1sQv-0002YQ-0L for lemonade@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:44:05 -0500 Received: from zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.95]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k0PLXZx25756 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:33:35 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> Thread-Topic: Draft Liaison to OMA Thread-Index: AcYhZ7vDTl8zIfTzQDCaPfuu0hmwew== From: "Glenn Parsons" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bcd240e64c427d3d3617cfc704e7fd7f Subject: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0465785151==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0465785151== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C621F6.FE117DF2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C621F6.FE117DF2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, As agreed, we will be sending a liaison to OMA MEM in time for their Feb meeting. As a result, please provide comment on the proposed liaison to OMA by Jan 30th. We will send it on Jan 31st if there is no objection. Cheers, Glenn. From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile=09 Response contact: lemonade@ietf.org Purpose: For Action Deadline: March 13, 2006 The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email Sub Working Group for your latest liaison. Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of the OMA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented this in an Internet Draft (see draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt). The purpose of the WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IETF and to further affirm its status as a WG view. There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF. As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email. This set will be succinctly described in the LEMONADE profile (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis). This will cover interface ME-2 as well as the notifications aspects of ME-3 in the OMA MEM AD. The OMA TS can normatively reference the LEMONADE profile. We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our previous liaison. We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: 1. We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to turn it off. 2. OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT. However we are concerned with the large number of optional parameters. We would prefer a shorter finite mandatory set (that is extensible). What advice can you offer on a shorter set? 3. We will be providing managed SIEVE to manage the filters. Additional methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well. 4. We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role. We note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs delay. What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA - is it roundtrip, network or service level? 5. We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile devices. TLS is not required, and this could be handled by SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile phones. 6. Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) domain. We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on MSGTRK. However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is practically impossible to design a message recall solution that will reliably work. We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has wrapped up the first phase of its work. We are currently working on finalizing the content of Profile bis. Additional input on details required to meet OMA requirements have been reviewed, and most have become WG documents. The timeline would likely result in conclusion later in early 2006. Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html with more detail tracked on the supplemental site. Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are: * Mar 20-24 - IETF 65 plenary - Dallas, TX * Jul 10-14 - IETF 66 plenary - TBD ------_=_NextPart_001_01C621F6.FE117DF2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Draft Liaison to OMA

Folks,

As agreed, we will be sending a liaison = to OMA MEM in time for their Feb meeting.

As a result, please provide comment on = the proposed liaison to OMA by Jan 30th.  We will send it on Jan = 31st if there is no objection.

Cheers,
Glenn.


From: IETF LEMONADE Working = Group
To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working = Group
Title: Regarding the LEMONADE = Profile  
Response contact:  = lemonade@ietf.org
Purpose:  For Action
Deadline:  March 13, = 2006


The LEMONADE working group (WG) = would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email Sub Working Group for your = latest liaison.

Our previous liaison indicated = that we have proposed a realization of the OMA MEM architecture using = IETF protocols and that we documented this in an Internet Draft (see = draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt).  The purpose of = the WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IETF and = to further affirm its status as a WG view.

There is no intent to publish the = OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF.

As we have indicated before, the = LEMONADE WG is working on a set of extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to = support mobile email.  This set will be succinctly described in the = LEMONADE profile (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis).  This will = cover interface ME-2 as well as the notifications aspects of ME-3 in the = OMA MEM AD.  The OMA TS can normatively reference the LEMONADE = profile.

We appreciate your response to = the questions that we had asked in our previous liaison.  We have a = number of follow-on comments/questions:

1.  We will support signed = notifications but will add the ability to turn it off.
2.  OMA STI is currently = being used in CONVERT.  However we are concerned with the large = number of optional parameters.  We would prefer a shorter finite = mandatory set (that is extensible).  What advice can you offer on a = shorter set?

3.  We will be providing = managed SIEVE to manage the filters.  Additional methods (such as = XDMS) could be used as well.
4.  We are evaluating where = in our protocols delays may play a role.  We note that there may be = a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs delay.   What = delay aspects are of concern to the OMA – is it roundtrip, network = or service level?

5.  We are aware of the = limitations for mutual authentication on mobile devices.  TLS is = not required, and this could be handled by SASL mechanisms which are = already on mobile phones.

6.  Message recall is = possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) domain.  We = indicated that we could design protocol for this based on MSGTRK.  = However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is practically = impossible to design a message recall solution that will reliably = work.

We would like to draw your = attention to the fact that LEMONADE has wrapped up the first phase of = its work.  We are currently working on finalizing the content of = Profile bis. Additional input on details required to meet OMA = requirements have been reviewed, and most have become WG = documents.  The timeline would likely result in conclusion later in = early 2006.

Up-to-date information on = LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html with more detail tracked on the = supplemental site.

Finally, as information, the next = meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are:

  • Mar 20-24 – IETF 65 = plenary – Dallas, TX
  • Jul 10-14 – IETF 66 = plenary - TBD

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Maes" To: Glenn Parsons , lemonade@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA In-Reply-To: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Accept-Language: en-US X-Mailer: Oracle Collaboration Suite Web Access 10.1.2.1.0 References: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b38aee91eedbacb27d28d558bc16c035 Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1340128721==" Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --===============1340128721== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_281_7444962.1138248391205" ------=_Part_281_7444962.1138248391205 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glenn, =A0 Here are my suggestions. =A0 BTW deadline for submission is technicallythis coming Sunday... =A0 Thanks =A0 Stephane =A0 =A0 =A0 From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile=A0=A0 Response contact:=A0 lemonade@ietf.org Purpose:=A0 For Action Deadline:=A0 March 13, 2006 =A0 The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email Su= b Working Group for your latest liaison. Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of the O= MA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented how with se= e this can be achieved with IETF protocols (in particular Lemonade Profile)= in an Internet Draft (see draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt).= =A0 The purpose of the WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented = in the IETF, to provide a working document to ensure that our work address = all the OMA MEM required features within our scope and to further affirm it= s status as a WG view. There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF. As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of extensi= ons to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email.=A0 This set will be succinct= ly described in the LEMONADE profile (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis), as = an overall protocol.=A0 This will cover the protocol exchanged on interface= ME-2 (ME-2a and ME-2b) as well as the notifications aspects of ME-3, refer= ring to the interfaces described in the OMA MEM AD.=A0 The OMA TS can norma= tively reference the LEMONADE profile for these interface aspects and for t= he MEM protocol. Additional documents may be published with additional best= practices etc that may be useful to OMA MEM. We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our previ= ous liaison.=A0 We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: 1.=A0 We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to turn= it off. 2.=A0 OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT.=A0 However we are concern= ed for practical implementations with the large number of optional paramete= rs.=A0 We would prefer a shorter finite mandatory set (that is extensible v= ia IETF extensibility mechanisms (IANA)).=A0 What advice can you offer on a= shorter set? 3.=A0 We will be providing managed SIEVE as a protocol to manage the filter= s.=A0 Additional methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well by OMA if so = desired. But a complete set of remote management functionality will be made= available by the LEMONADE work as part of the LEMONADE profile. 4.=A0 We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role.=A0 W= e note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs del= ay.=A0=A0 What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA =96 is it roundtrip,= network or service level? Clearly our design will aim at minimizing delays= that are within our control. We would like to make sure we understand the = aspect of particular interest to OMA MEM. 5.=A0 We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile d= evices.=A0 We apologize for the confusion in our previous response. TLS may= be used but TLS is not required, and this could just be handled by SASL me= chanisms which are already on mobile phones. 6.=A0 Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) d= omain.=A0 We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on MSGT= RK.=A0 However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is practica= lly impossible to design a message recall solution that will reliably work.= We encourage OMA MEM WG to consider that reality and verify that recall is= still a desired target mechanisms for OMA MEM We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has wrapped = up the first phase of its work.=A0 We are currently working on finalizing t= he content of Profile bis. Additional input on details required to meet OMA= requirements have been reviewed, and most have become WG documents.=A0 The= timeline would likely result in conclusion later in early 2006. Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always be f= ound at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html (http://www= .ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html) with more detail tracked on = the supplemental site. Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are: =B7 Mar 20-24 =96 IETF 65 plenary =96 Dallas, TX =B7 Jul 10-14 =96 IETF 66 plenary - TBD =A0 __________________________________________________ _______________________________________________lemonade mailing listlemonad= e@ietf.org (mailto:lemonade@ietf.org)https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo= /lemonade (https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade)=A0 =A0=A0 _____ Stephane H. Maes, PhD, Director of Architecture, Mobile, Voice, and Communications Platforms, Orac= le. Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296. e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com (mailto:stephane.maes@oracle.com) IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/Skype) or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (mailto:stephane_mae= s@hotmail.com) (MSN Messenger) __________________________________________________ >From Glenn Parsons Sent Wed 1/25/2006 1:31 PM To lemonade@ietf.org Subject [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA Folks, As agreed, we will be sending a liaison to OMA MEM in time for their Feb me= eting. As a result, please provide comment on the proposed liaison to OMA by Jan 3= 0th.=A0 We will send it on Jan 31st if there is no objection. Cheers, Glenn. From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile=A0=A0 Response contact:=A0 lemonade@ietf.org Purpose:=A0 For Action Deadline:=A0 March 13, 2006 The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email Su= b Working Group for your latest liaison. Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of the O= MA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented this in an = Internet Draft (see draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt).=A0 The= purpose of the WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the = IETF and to further affirm its status as a WG view. There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF. As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of extensi= ons to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email.=A0 This set will be succinct= ly described in the LEMONADE profile (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis).=A0 = This will cover interface ME-2 as well as the notifications aspects of ME-3= in the OMA MEM AD.=A0 The OMA TS can normatively reference the LEMONADE pr= ofile. We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our previ= ous liaison.=A0 We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: 1.=A0 We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to turn= it off. 2.=A0 OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT.=A0 However we are concern= ed with the large number of optional parameters.=A0 We would prefer a short= er finite mandatory set (that is extensible).=A0 What advice can you offer = on a shorter set? 3.=A0 We will be providing managed SIEVE to manage the filters.=A0 Addition= al methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well. 4.=A0 We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role.=A0 W= e note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs del= ay.=A0=A0 What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA =96 is it roundtrip,= network or service level? 5.=A0 We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile d= evices.=A0 TLS is not required, and this could be handled by SASL mechanism= s which are already on mobile phones. 6.=A0 Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) d= omain.=A0 We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on MSGT= RK.=A0 However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is practica= lly impossible to design a message recall solution that will reliably work. We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has wrapped = up the first phase of its work.=A0 We are currently working on finalizing t= he content of Profile bis. Additional input on details required to meet OMA= requirements have been reviewed, and most have become WG documents.=A0 The= timeline would likely result in conclusion later in early 2006. Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always be f= ound at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html (http://www= .ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html) with more detail tracked on = the supplemental site. Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are: = =B7 Mar 20-24 =96 IETF 65 plenary =96 Dallas, TX =B7 Jul 10-14 =96 IETF 66 plenary - TBD __________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org (mailto:lemonade@ietf.org) https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade (https://www1.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/lemonade) ------=_Part_281_7444962.1138248391205 Content-Type: text/html;charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Draft Liaison to OMA
Glenn,=
 
Here are my suggestions.
 
BTW deadline for submission is technicall= ythis coming Sunday...
 
Thanks
 
Stephane
 
 

 <= /P>

From: IETF L= EMONADE Working Group
To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group
Title: Regarding the LEMON= ADE Profile  
Response contact:  lemonade@iet= f.org
Purpose:  For Action
Deadline:  March 13, 2006

 

The LEMONADE= working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email Sub Working Gr= oup for your latest liaison.

Our previous= liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of the OMA MEM archi= tecture using IETF protocols and that we documented how with see this can b= e achieved with IETF protocols (in particular Lemonade Profile) in an Inter= net Draft (see draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt).  The p= urpose of the WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IE= TF, to provide a working document to ensure that our work address all the O= MA MEM required features within our scope and to further affirm its status = as a WG view.

There is no = intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or= TS in IETF.

As we have i= ndicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of extensions to IMAP = and ESMTP to support mobile email.  This set will be succinctly descri= bed in the LEMONADE profile (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis), as an overal= l protocol.  This will cover the protocol exchanged on interface ME-2 = (ME-2a and ME-2b) as well as the notifications aspects of ME-3, referring t= o the interfaces described in the OMA MEM AD.  The OMA TS can normativ= ely reference the LEMONADE profile for these interface aspects and for the = MEM protocol. Additional documents may be published with additional best pr= actices etc that may be useful to OMA MEM.

We appreciat= e your response to the questions that we had asked in our previous liaison.=   We have a number of follow-on comments/questions:<= /P>

1.  We = will support signed notifications but will add the ability to turn it off.<= /SPAN>
2.&n= bsp; OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT.  However we are conce= rned for practical implementations with the large number of optional parame= ters.  We would prefer a shorter finite mandatory set (that is extensi= ble via IETF extensibility mechanisms (IANA)).  What advice can you of= fer on a shorter set?

3.  We = will be providing managed SIEVE as a protocol to manage the filters.  = Additional methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well by OMA if so desire= d. But a complete set of remote management functionality will be made avail= able by the LEMONADE work as part of the LEMONADE profile.


4.  We are evaluating where in our pr= otocols delays may play a role.  We note that there may be a tradeoff = in mobile phones on battery life vs delay.   What delay aspects a= re of concern to the OMA =96 is it roundtrip, network or service level? Cle= arly our design will aim at minimizing delays that are within our control. = We would like to make sure we understand the aspect of particular interest = to OMA MEM.

5.  We = are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile devices.&n= bsp; We apologize for the confusion in our previous response. TLS may be us= ed but TLS is not required, and this could just be handled by SASL mechanis= ms which are already on mobile phones.

6.  Mes= sage recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) domain.&nb= sp; We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on MSGTRK.&nb= sp; However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is practically= impossible to design a message recall solution that will reliably work. We= encourage OMA MEM WG to consider that reality and verify that recall is st= ill a desired target mechanisms for OMA MEM

We would lik= e to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has wrapped up the first= phase of its work.  We are currently working on finalizing the conten= t of Profile bis. Additional input on details required to meet OMA requirem= ents have been reviewed, and most have become WG documents.  The timel= ine would likely result in conclusion later in early 2006.

Up-to-date i= nformation on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always be found at htt= p://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html with more detail tracked = on the supplemental site.

Finally, as = information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are:

  • Mar 20-24 = =96 IETF 65 plenary =96 Dallas, TX
  • Jul 10-14 = =96 IETF 66 plenary - TBD

 <= /P> 

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_____
Stephane H. Maes, PhD,
Director of Architecture, Mobile, Voice, and Communications Platforms, Orac=
le.
Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296.
e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.co=
m
IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/Skype) or s=
tephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger)
From Glenn Parsons <= gparsons@nortel.com>
Sent Wed 1/25/2006 1:31= PM
To lemonade@ietf.org
Subject [lemonade] Draf= t Liaison to OMA

Folks,

As agreed, we will be sending a liaison to O= MA MEM in time for their Feb meeting.

As a result, please provide comment on the p= roposed liaison to OMA by Jan 30th.  We will send it on Jan 31st if th= ere is no objection.

Cheers,
Glenn.


From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group
To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Gr= oup
Title: Regarding the LEM= ONADE Profile  
Re= sponse contact:  lemonade@ietf.org
Purpose:  For Action
Deadline:  March 13, 2006


The LEMONADE working group (WG) woul= d like to thank the OMA Mobile Email Sub Working Group for your latest liai= son.

Our previous liaison indicated that = we have proposed a realization of the OMA MEM architecture using IETF proto= cols and that we documented this in an Internet Draft (see draft-ietf-lemon= ade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt).  The purpose of the WG Internet Draft= is to allow this to be documented in the IETF and to further affirm its st= atus as a WG view.

There is no intent to publish the OM= A MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF.

As we have indicated before, the LEM= ONADE WG is working on a set of extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to support mob= ile email.  This set will be succinctly described in the LEMONADE prof= ile (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis).  This will cover interface ME-2= as well as the notifications aspects of ME-3 in the OMA MEM AD.  The = OMA TS can normatively reference the LEMONADE profile.

We appreciate your response to the q= uestions that we had asked in our previous liaison.  We have a number = of follow-on comments/questions:

1.  We will support signed noti= fications but will add the ability to turn it off.
2.  OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT.=   However we are concerned with the large number of optional parameter= s.  We would prefer a shorter finite mandatory set (that is extensible= ).  What advice can you offer on a shorter set?

3.  We will be providing manage= d SIEVE to manage the filters.  Additional methods (such as XDMS) coul= d be used as well.
4.  = We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role.  We n= ote that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs delay.=    What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA =96 is it roundtr= ip, network or service level?

5.  We are aware of the limitat= ions for mutual authentication on mobile devices.  TLS is not required= , and this could be handled by SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile = phones.

6.  Message recall is possible = within the submit (i.e., administrative) domain.  We indicated that we= could design protocol for this based on MSGTRK.  However, in the gene= ral end-to-end Internet Mail case it is practically impossible to design a = message recall solution that will reliably work.

We would like to draw your attention= to the fact that LEMONADE has wrapped up the first phase of its work. = ; We are currently working on finalizing the content of Profile bis. Additi= onal input on details required to meet OMA requirements have been reviewed,= and most have become WG documents.  The timeline would likely result = in conclusion later in early 2006.

Up-to-date information on LEMONADE I= nternet-Drafts and RFCs can always be found at with more detail= tracked on the supplemental site.

Finally, as information, the next me= etings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are:=20

  • Mar 20-24 =96 IETF 65 plenary =96 D= allas, TX=20
  • Jul 10-14 =96 IETF 66 plenary - TBD= 
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------=_Part_281_7444962.1138248391205-- --===============1340128721== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade --===============1340128721==-- From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 27 08:03:38 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2TGM-0005gF-Aw; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:03:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2TGK-0005eb-5x for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:03:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05945 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2TQS-0005ql-3N for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:14:05 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.198] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com via TCP (submission) with ESMTPA; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:01:14 +0000 Message-ID: <43DA1999.3050209@isode.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:01:13 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: "Stephane H. Maes" Subject: Re: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA References: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> <3007605.1138248391208.JavaMail.oracle@web240.oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <3007605.1138248391208.JavaMail.oracle@web240.oracle.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Encoded: Changed encoding from 8bit for 7bit transmission X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a92270ba83d7ead10c5001bb42ec3221 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lemonade@ietf.org, Glenn Parsons X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Stephane H. Maes wrote: > Glenn, > = > Here are my suggestions. Looks good to me, some extra corrections below: > BTW deadline for submission is technicallythis coming Sunday... > = > Thanks > = > Stephane > = > = > > = > > From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group > To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group > Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile = > Response contact: lemonade@ietf.org > Purpose: For Action > Deadline: March 13, 2006 > > = > > The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile = > Email Sub Working Group for your latest liaison. > > Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of = > the OMA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented = > how with see this can be achieved with IETF protocols (in particular = > Lemonade Profile) in an Internet Draft (see = > draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt). The purpose of the = > WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IETF, to = > provide a working document to ensure that our work address > addresses? > all the OMA MEM required features within our scope and to further = > affirm its status as a WG view. > > There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF. > > As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of = > extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email. This set will = > be succinctly described in the LEMONADE profile = > (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis), as an overall protocol. This will = > cover the protocol exchanged on interface ME-2 (ME-2a and ME-2b) as = > well as the notifications aspects of ME-3, referring to the interfaces = > described in the OMA MEM AD. The OMA TS can normatively reference the = > LEMONADE profile for these interface aspects and for the MEM protocol. = > Additional documents may be published with additional best practices = > etc that may be useful to OMA MEM. > > We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our = > previous liaison. We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: > > 1. We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to = > turn it off. > 2. OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT. > I think CONVERT should be explained here. > However we are concerned for practical implementations with the = > large number of optional parameters. We would prefer a shorter finite = > mandatory set (that is extensible via IETF extensibility mechanisms = > (IANA)). What advice can you offer on a shorter set? > > 3. We will be providing managed SIEVE > Manage SIEVE Protocol (no "d" at the end of Manage) > as a protocol to manage the filters. Additional methods (such as = > XDMS) could be used as well by OMA if so desired. But a complete set = > of remote management functionality will be made available by the = > LEMONADE work as part of the LEMONADE profile. > > > 4. We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role. = > We note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life = > vs delay. What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA =96 is it = > roundtrip, network or service level? Clearly our design will aim at = > minimizing delays that are within our control. We would like to make = > sure we understand the aspect of particular interest to OMA MEM. > > 5. We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on = > mobile devices. We apologize for the confusion in our previous = > response. TLS may be used but TLS is not required, and this could just = > be handled by SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile phones. > I am not sure about "SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile = phones". I think saying "SASL mechanisms which are optimized for mobile = phone use" is better. To be more precise the last sentence should read: Mutual authentication is a feature provided by SASL (RFC 2222) = framework, or SASL + TLS. However the use of TLS is not required, and = this could just be handled by SASL mechanisms which are optimized for = mobile phone use. > 6. Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., = > administrative) domain. We indicated that we could design protocol = > for this based on MSGTRK. > Should there be a reference to RFC 3888 in order to explain what MSGTRK is? > However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is = > practically impossible to design a message recall solution that will = > reliably work. We encourage OMA MEM WG to consider that reality and = > verify that recall is still a desired target mechanisms for OMA MEM > > We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has = > wrapped up the first phase of its work. We are currently working on = > finalizing the content of Profile bis. Additional input on details = > required to meet OMA requirements have been reviewed, and most have = > become WG documents. The timeline would likely result in conclusion = > later in early 2006. > > Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always = > be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html = > with more detail tracked on the supplemental site. > > Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are: > > * Mar 20-24 =96 IETF 65 plenary =96 Dallas, TX > * Jul 10-14 =96 IETF 66 plenary - TBD = > _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 27 08:26:15 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2TcE-0005jo-Uw; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2TcD-0005ji-53 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA07569 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2TmJ-0006Yr-0S for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:36:43 -0500 Received: from [217.155.137.60] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1F2Tbo-0002Li-1c; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:25:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1522E498003; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:33:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turner.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32329-08; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:33:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:4bd0:2029:0:2e0:81ff:fe29:d16a]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1207A498002; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:33:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:25:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA References: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> <3007605.1138248391208.JavaMail.oracle@web240.oracle.com> <43DA1999.3050209@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <43DA1999.3050209@isode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <12971.1138368344.596679@peirce.dave.cridland.net> From: Dave Cridland To: Alexey Melnikov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dave.cridland.net X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [217.155.137.60] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments , "Stephane H. Maes" , Glenn Parsons X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri Jan 27 13:01:13 2006, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> 5. We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on >> mobile devices. We apologize for the confusion in our previous >> response. TLS may be used but TLS is not required, and this could >> just be handled by SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile >> phones. >> > I am not sure about "SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile > phones". I think saying "SASL mechanisms which are optimized for > mobile phone use" is better. > > Indeed, I'm not actually sure if the deployed base of phones capable of IMAP actually support anything but pre-SASL plaintext LOGIN. Certainly I've not seen a phone supporting DIGEST-MD5, which is the most common mutual auth SASL mechanism. (That's a particularly good mechanism to use on phones, since it's simple to implement without integrity or crypto, and has a fast re-auth mode which can complete in one round-trip with the right extensions). The other mutual auth mechanisms tend to require some form of infrastructure in place. > To be more precise the last sentence should read: > Mutual authentication is a feature provided by SASL (RFC 2222) > framework, or SASL + TLS. However the use of TLS is not required, > and this could just be handled by SASL mechanisms which are > optimized for mobile phone use. > > Equally, the vast majority of existing phones actually appear to support TLS 1.0. Of course, use of TLS might be blocked by other reasons, such as local law, so stating TLS isn't required is fair. Dave. -- You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" - George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 29 18:05:11 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3Lbb-0008EJ-Pd; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:05:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2XIX-00083j-Ew for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:22:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28209 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.135]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2XSi-00074R-GF for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:32:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.5+UW05.10/8.13.5+UW05.09) with ESMTP id k0RHM2Wm009736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:22:02 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from pangtzu.panda.com (pangtzu.panda.com [206.124.149.117]) (authenticated authid=mrc) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.5+UW05.10/8.13.5+UW05.09) with ESMTP id k0RHM0fO000537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:22:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:22:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Dave Cridland Subject: Re: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA In-Reply-To: <12971.1138368344.596679@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Message-ID: References: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> <3007605.1138248391208.JavaMail.oracle@web240.oracle.com> <43DA1999.3050209@isode.com> <12971.1138368344.596679@peirce.dave.cridland.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:05:09 -0500 Cc: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments , Alexey Melnikov , Glenn Parsons , "Stephane H. Maes" X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Dave Cridland wrote: > DIGEST-MD5, which is the most common mutual auth SASL > mechanism. Are you sure about that? I would have thought that GSSAPI was more commonly used, even if it isn't installed on as many sites; and after that CRAM-MD5 was more common than DIGEST-MD5. I'm referring strictly to IMAP, not to any other protocol that uses SASL. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 29 18:05:12 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3Lbb-0008Ei-WE; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:05:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2XVD-00046Z-K2 for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:35:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29095 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2XfO-0007Tc-QV for lemonade@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:45:48 -0500 Received: from [217.155.137.60] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F2XV1-000374-Cr; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A443498003; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:43:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turner.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01260-06; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:43:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:4bd0:2029:0:2e0:81ff:fe29:d16a]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A000498002; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:43:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:34:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA References: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> <3007605.1138248391208.JavaMail.oracle@web240.oracle.com> <43DA1999.3050209@isode.com> <12971.1138368344.596679@peirce.dave.cridland.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <29748.1138383299.982896@peirce.dave.cridland.net> From: Dave Cridland To: Mark Crispin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dave.cridland.net X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [217.155.137.60] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:05:09 -0500 Cc: email to support diverse service enivronments , Alexey Melnikov , Glenn Parsons , Enhancements, "Stephane H. Maes" X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org On Fri Jan 27 17:22:00 2006, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Dave Cridland wrote: >> DIGEST-MD5, which is the most common mutual auth SASL mechanism. > > Are you sure about that? I would have thought that GSSAPI was more > commonly used, even if it isn't installed on as many sites; and > after that CRAM-MD5 was more common than DIGEST-MD5. > > I'm referring strictly to IMAP, not to any other protocol that uses > SASL. You're probably right about GSSAPI vs DIGEST-MD5, I expressed my opinion as if it were a fact, which is silly of me. CRAM-MD5 doesn't count here, although it's certainly better deployed than DIGEST-MD5, because it doesn't do mutual authentication. DIGEST-MD5 is, however, the only mutual auth SASL mechanism I feel is likely to be deployed on a mobile phone for the typical situation. Dave. -- You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" - George Bernard Shaw _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 30 15:51:00 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3fzI-0004Wq-Rh; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:51:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3fyS-0004ER-Da; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:50:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26375; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3g9D-0001Zw-GN; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:01:16 -0500 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1F3fyM-0007Zb-KP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:50:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments Working Group of the IETF. Title : LEMONADE profile bis Author(s) : S. Maes, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis-00.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2006-1-30 This document describes LEMONADE profile bis. It contains pointers or mention to all the features that are normatively part of LEMONADE profile bis. It is based on a combination of the content of LEMONADE profile [4] and the OMA MEM realization internet draft [21], initially considered for internet draft publication as information or standard track by LEMONADE. It reflects the agreed content for LEMONADE profile bis after the Beijing LEMONADE Intermediate face to face meeting. 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What does this mean? There will be a "profile 3" if OMA MEM does not = find bis sufficient? Please clarify. "But a complete set of remote management functionality will be made = available by the LEMONADE work as part of the LEMONADE profile." What is the purpose of this sentence? OMA MEM expects nothing less. = Suggest removal. =20 =20 Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh=20 E-mail: zoltan.ordogh@nokia.com Phone: +358 50 386 0566=20 =20 ________________________________ From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext Stephane H. Maes Sent: 26 January, 2006 06:07 To: Glenn Parsons; lemonade@ietf.org Subject: RE: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA Glenn, =20 Here are my suggestions. =20 BTW deadline for submission is technicallythis coming Sunday... =20 Thanks =20 Stephane =20 =20 =20 From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group=20 To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group=20 Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile =20 Response contact: lemonade@ietf.org=20 Purpose: For Action=20 Deadline: March 13, 2006=20 =20 The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email = Sub Working Group for your latest liaison.=20 Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of = the OMA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented how = with see this can be achieved with IETF protocols (in particular = Lemonade Profile) in an Internet Draft (see = draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt). The purpose of the WG = Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IETF, to provide = a working document to ensure that our work address all the OMA MEM = required features within our scope and to further affirm its status as a = WG view. There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF.=20 As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of = extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email. This set will be = succinctly described in the LEMONADE profile = (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis), as an overall protocol. This will = cover the protocol exchanged on interface ME-2 (ME-2a and ME-2b) as well = as the notifications aspects of ME-3, referring to the interfaces = described in the OMA MEM AD. The OMA TS can normatively reference the = LEMONADE profile for these interface aspects and for the MEM protocol. = Additional documents may be published with additional best practices etc = that may be useful to OMA MEM. We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our = previous liaison. We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: 1. We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to = turn it off.=20 2. OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT. However we are = concerned for practical implementations with the large number of = optional parameters. We would prefer a shorter finite mandatory set = (that is extensible via IETF extensibility mechanisms (IANA)). What = advice can you offer on a shorter set? 3. We will be providing managed SIEVE as a protocol to manage the = filters. Additional methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well by OMA = if so desired. But a complete set of remote management functionality = will be made available by the LEMONADE work as part of the LEMONADE = profile. 4. We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role. We = note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs = delay. What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA - is it roundtrip, = network or service level? Clearly our design will aim at minimizing = delays that are within our control. We would like to make sure we = understand the aspect of particular interest to OMA MEM. 5. We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile = devices. We apologize for the confusion in our previous response. TLS = may be used but TLS is not required, and this could just be handled by = SASL mechanisms which are already on mobile phones. 6. Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) = domain. We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on = MSGTRK. However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is = practically impossible to design a message recall solution that will = reliably work. We encourage OMA MEM WG to consider that reality and = verify that recall is still a desired target mechanisms for OMA MEM We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has = wrapped up the first phase of its work. We are currently working on = finalizing the content of Profile bis. Additional input on details = required to meet OMA requirements have been reviewed, and most have = become WG documents. The timeline would likely result in conclusion = later in early 2006. Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always = be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html = with more = detail tracked on the supplemental site. Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are:=20 * Mar 20-24 - IETF 65 plenary - Dallas, TX=20 * Jul 10-14 - IETF 66 plenary - TBD =20 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org =20 https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade = =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ Stephane H. Maes, PhD, Director of Architecture, Mobile, Voice, and Communications Platforms, = Oracle. Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296. e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/Skype) or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) ________________________________ >From Glenn Parsons Sent Wed 1/25/2006 1:31 PM To lemonade@ietf.org Subject [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA Folks,=20 As agreed, we will be sending a liaison to OMA MEM in time for their Feb = meeting.=20 As a result, please provide comment on the proposed liaison to OMA by = Jan 30th. We will send it on Jan 31st if there is no objection. Cheers,=20 Glenn.=20 From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group=20 To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group=20 Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile =20 Response contact: lemonade@ietf.org=20 Purpose: For Action=20 Deadline: March 13, 2006=20 The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email = Sub Working Group for your latest liaison.=20 Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of = the OMA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented = this in an Internet Draft (see = draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt). The purpose of the WG = Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IETF and to = further affirm its status as a WG view. There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF.=20 As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of = extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email. This set will be = succinctly described in the LEMONADE profile = (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis). This will cover interface ME-2 as = well as the notifications aspects of ME-3 in the OMA MEM AD. The OMA TS = can normatively reference the LEMONADE profile. We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our = previous liaison. We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: 1. We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to = turn it off.=20 2. OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT. However we are = concerned with the large number of optional parameters. We would prefer = a shorter finite mandatory set (that is extensible). What advice can = you offer on a shorter set? 3. We will be providing managed SIEVE to manage the filters. = Additional methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well.=20 4. We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role. We = note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs = delay. What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA - is it roundtrip, = network or service level? 5. We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile = devices. TLS is not required, and this could be handled by SASL = mechanisms which are already on mobile phones. 6. Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) = domain. We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on = MSGTRK. However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is = practically impossible to design a message recall solution that will = reliably work. We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has = wrapped up the first phase of its work. We are currently working on = finalizing the content of Profile bis. Additional input on details = required to meet OMA requirements have been reviewed, and most have = become WG documents. The timeline would likely result in conclusion = later in early 2006. Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always = be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html = with more = detail tracked on the supplemental site. Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are:=20 * Mar 20-24 - IETF 65 plenary - Dallas, TX=20 * Jul 10-14 - IETF 66 plenary - TBD=20 =09 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 31 08:31:21 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3vbN-0005hO-Im; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:31:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3vbM-0005d5-6P for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:31:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15968 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:29:39 -0500 (EST) From: Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext04.nokia.com ([131.228.20.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3vmE-000367-KU for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:42:36 -0500 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext04.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k0VDSG92024126; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:28:19 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:31:07 +0200 Received: from trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.124.61]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:31:06 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:30:34 +0200 Message-ID: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF423700018C3A79@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <085091CB2CA14E4B8B163FFC37C84E9D080DA7E4@zcarhxm0.corp.nortel.com> Thread-Topic: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA Thread-Index: AcYhZ7vDTl8zIfTzQDCaPfuu0hmwewFAQpVQ To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2006 13:31:06.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[96E55A80:01C6266A] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org "The purpose of the WG Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented = in the IETF and to further affirm its status as a WG view." What does it mean? Will it become an RFC later on? Could You please = clarify/reword this sentence? =20 =20 Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh=20 E-mail: zoltan.ordogh@nokia.com Phone: +358 50 386 0566=20 =20 ________________________________ From: lemonade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lemonade-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext Glenn Parsons Sent: 25 January, 2006 23:31 To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA Folks,=20 As agreed, we will be sending a liaison to OMA MEM in time for their Feb = meeting.=20 As a result, please provide comment on the proposed liaison to OMA by = Jan 30th. We will send it on Jan 31st if there is no objection. Cheers,=20 Glenn.=20 From: IETF LEMONADE Working Group=20 To: OMA MWG MEM Sub Working Group=20 Title: Regarding the LEMONADE Profile =20 Response contact: lemonade@ietf.org=20 Purpose: For Action=20 Deadline: March 13, 2006=20 The LEMONADE working group (WG) would like to thank the OMA Mobile Email = Sub Working Group for your latest liaison.=20 Our previous liaison indicated that we have proposed a realization of = the OMA MEM architecture using IETF protocols and that we documented = this in an Internet Draft (see = draft-ietf-lemonade-oma-mem-realization-00.txt). The purpose of the WG = Internet Draft is to allow this to be documented in the IETF and to = further affirm its status as a WG view. There is no intent to publish the OMA MEM RD, AD or TS in IETF.=20 As we have indicated before, the LEMONADE WG is working on a set of = extensions to IMAP and ESMTP to support mobile email. This set will be = succinctly described in the LEMONADE profile = (draft-ietf-lemonade-profile-bis). This will cover interface ME-2 as = well as the notifications aspects of ME-3 in the OMA MEM AD. The OMA TS = can normatively reference the LEMONADE profile. We appreciate your response to the questions that we had asked in our = previous liaison. We have a number of follow-on comments/questions: 1. We will support signed notifications but will add the ability to = turn it off.=20 2. OMA STI is currently being used in CONVERT. However we are = concerned with the large number of optional parameters. We would prefer = a shorter finite mandatory set (that is extensible). What advice can = you offer on a shorter set? 3. We will be providing managed SIEVE to manage the filters. = Additional methods (such as XDMS) could be used as well.=20 4. We are evaluating where in our protocols delays may play a role. We = note that there may be a tradeoff in mobile phones on battery life vs = delay. What delay aspects are of concern to the OMA - is it roundtrip, = network or service level? 5. We are aware of the limitations for mutual authentication on mobile = devices. TLS is not required, and this could be handled by SASL = mechanisms which are already on mobile phones. 6. Message recall is possible within the submit (i.e., administrative) = domain. We indicated that we could design protocol for this based on = MSGTRK. However, in the general end-to-end Internet Mail case it is = practically impossible to design a message recall solution that will = reliably work. We would like to draw your attention to the fact that LEMONADE has = wrapped up the first phase of its work. We are currently working on = finalizing the content of Profile bis. Additional input on details = required to meet OMA requirements have been reviewed, and most have = become WG documents. The timeline would likely result in conclusion = later in early 2006. Up-to-date information on LEMONADE Internet-Drafts and RFCs can always = be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html = with more = detail tracked on the supplemental site. Finally, as information, the next meetings of the IETF LEMONADE WG are:=20 * Mar 20-24 - IETF 65 plenary - Dallas, TX=20 * Jul 10-14 - IETF 66 plenary - TBD=20 =09 _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade From lemonade-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 31 09:33:17 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3wZJ-0004pd-6I; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:33:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3wZF-0004pC-Pd for lemonade@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:33:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20875 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bda034.bis.na.blackberry.com ([216.9.249.34]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3wkC-0005AG-E7 for lemonade@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:44:33 -0500 Received: from bda034-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bda034.bis.na.blackberry.com (8.13.4 TEAMON/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0VEWgDo018279; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:32:42 GMT Message-ID: <13332021.1138717962102.JavaMail.teamon@bda034-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <3007605.1138248391208.JavaMail.oracle@web240.oracle.com> <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF423700018C3A78@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <084CB2DF0B7F5E47BC056ABBDF423700018C3A78@trebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] Draft Liaison to OMA From: "Stephane H. 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