From tss@iki.fi Sun Apr 15 08:09:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A72F21F86CB for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:09:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ty1wxcyuPCCD for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [193.210.130.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DDC21F8671 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.101] (a88-112-255-76.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.112.255.76]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150A11AE87BF for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:09:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Timo Sirainen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:09:34 +0300 Message-Id: To: lemonade@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [lemonade] QRESYNC + \Recent flags X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:09:37 -0000 Something I just realized: \Recent flag is kind of a special flag. Neither CONDSTORE nor QRESYNC = RFC explicitly says what to do with it. I'd think there is no = requirement to increase a message's MODSEQ when dropping its \Recent = flag? But a client might still want to know when a mailbox has been = SELECTed, so even if message MODSEQs themselves don't change, the = mailbox's HIGHESTMODSEQ probably should. Currently Dovecot doesn't change either of them. From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Sun Apr 15 09:01:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C5021F87E9 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:01:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.944, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HEAD=1.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z65i1gQJA0ZT for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D05D21F87E7 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 09:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E11F8E3E9; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1334505646-16040-16039/10/1; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:00:46 +0000 User-Agent: Kaiten Mail In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----VCG6ZY9IWGVAVE0NGRCLMKBNKFATD8 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:00:47 +0200 To: lemonade@ietf.org Message-Id: <39653d74-b622-4fc9-bdd8-534188b43e1e@email.android.com> Subject: Re: [lemonade] QRESYNC + \Recent flags X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:01:02 -0000 ------VCG6ZY9IWGVAVE0NGRCLMKBNKFATD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh please. Say pine instead of "a client" and you're true to the truest = if imap traditions. Arnt ------VCG6ZY9IWGVAVE0NGRCLMKBNKFATD8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh please. Say pine instead of "a client" = and you're true to the truest if imap traditions.

Arnt ------VCG6ZY9IWGVAVE0NGRCLMKBNKFATD8-- From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Apr 17 04:35:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F6921F85D0 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qN7DdwXAPreN for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E179E21F85C9 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1334662516; d=isode.com; s=selector; i=@isode.com; bh=OSSUwA8wfQMtkrY3GDYfGVF9r47A+WhYbJwt54XDwCI=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=TOE+DeL+M2atiWvbbIkCIqpbCUy6zXwAmqEhxVs3e8/JtyG40itA8/2ZKTCCT8qCDKPbce N3dI6JQ2sbpG1Tko66YPcQPpbLxLXrbe0QVKVS2RKKds6jOUxEWIcMzNFfijIELSfDKx6V /Rn+a02Nl91J+gNjr/eshy2ecIamiEE=; Received: from [172.16.1.29] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:35:15 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: PIPELINING Message-ID: <4F8D55A4.6030108@isode.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:36:04 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 To: Timo Sirainen References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] QRESYNC + \Recent flags X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:35:25 -0000 Hi Timo, On 15/04/2012 16:09, Timo Sirainen wrote: > Something I just realized: > > \Recent flag is kind of a special flag. Neither CONDSTORE nor QRESYNC RFC explicitly says what to do with it. Hmm, I've just checked and I think you are right. > I'd think there is no requirement to increase a message's MODSEQ when dropping its \Recent flag? But a client might still want to know when a mailbox has been SELECTed, Do you see a use case for that? > so even if message MODSEQs themselves don't change, the mailbox's HIGHESTMODSEQ probably should. I suppose no harm in updating the HIGHESTMODSEQ, but I honestly wouldn't bother, unless you have a good use case. > Currently Dovecot doesn't change either of them. Isode's implementation doesn't change any of them either. From tss@iki.fi Wed Apr 18 09:37:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140D921F8537 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id naiP9t5OGkD6 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [193.210.130.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AF721F8581 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.101] (a88-112-255-76.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.112.255.76]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4081AE876C; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:37:18 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Timo Sirainen In-Reply-To: <4F8D55A4.6030108@isode.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:37:18 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F8D55A4.6030108@isode.com> To: Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: lemonade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [lemonade] QRESYNC + \Recent flags X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:37:26 -0000 On 17.4.2012, at 14.36, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > On 15/04/2012 16:09, Timo Sirainen wrote: >> Something I just realized: >>=20 >> \Recent flag is kind of a special flag. Neither CONDSTORE nor QRESYNC = RFC explicitly says what to do with it. > Hmm, I've just checked and I think you are right. >> I'd think there is no requirement to increase a message's MODSEQ when = dropping its \Recent flag? But a client might still want to know when a = mailbox has been SELECTed, > Do you see a use case for that? >> so even if message MODSEQs themselves don't change, the mailbox's = HIGHESTMODSEQ probably should. > I suppose no harm in updating the HIGHESTMODSEQ, but I honestly = wouldn't bother, unless you have a good use case. Perhaps not.. I noticed it only because I was writing a syncing tool = that used modseqs to figure out what changed. (And actually I'm not = going to need it there either, I solved it another way.) A client that = wants to know about it can approximate it pretty well with STATUS = (RECENT), although that can't catch everything.