From nobody Thu Dec 4 14:36:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC9B1A6FEA; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1OAb8j8HQteL; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from biz104.inmotionhosting.com (biz104.inmotionhosting.com [173.247.246.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A003F1A1A75; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=standardstrack.com; s=default; h=Mime-Version:To:Date:Message-Id:Subject:Content-Type:From; bh=gX7P3KddcYJ3cdX7W95Cs02aumDQKWDTg1dMwVw/Ap8=; b=JWiGcVa2ndTD9L+qAzvjcSObZiAnHxU+s7xGOp6w+Kdv3MAYPWw5Z0vVVrZ+eYHd14eMRwzmNU2ELBXpEz/hv5tmlAu/ooqgNNRagzys4sHtfLyU20Oe0JEmALHte0aNZY6Ks290TjCOxQCZ98jxNGt3DpAdDJLsENvpDVvPRTI=; Received: from ip68-100-74-115.dc.dc.cox.net ([68.100.74.115]:63100 helo=[192.168.15.119]) by biz104.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwf0m-0000MY-Ey; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:36:43 -0800 From: Eric Burger Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EB9BF876-81A6-43FF-956C-79EB100DC5CC"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:36:37 -0500 To: lemonade@ietf.org, IETF Apps Discuss Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz104.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz104.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: eburger+standardstrack.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lemonade/m7lE9jejeAuQdOnUCbfxU0rHXe4 Subject: [lemonade] Forward Without Download X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:36:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EB9BF876-81A6-43FF-956C-79EB100DC5CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Has anyone implemented and deployed BURL/CATENATE? I looked at = , but = half the companies are gone. I am curious as I=E2=80=99d like to do a = security study on forward without download. While on the topic, does anyone want me to update the Lemonade Plans = page with current information? Lastly, I copied apps-discuss because I doubt anyone cares about the = lemonade list anymore. I am leaning towards shutting it down and having = whatever discussion needs to happen on the apps-discuss list. 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([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F-BWQw19vFMJ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [173.13.55.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC5FB1A6EE0; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150585394A7; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:59:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MlHiz6l8_2dw; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.25] (unknown [173.13.55.49]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E44B253949B; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:59:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:59:02 -0500 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Eric Burger , lemonade@ietf.org, IETF Apps Discuss Message-ID: <7275BF0E7BDCBE7687DD9245@cyrus.local> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0b1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; size=1083 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lemonade/j1n2pymYe7cEc4D_SP8O16KSrYY Subject: Re: [lemonade] [apps-discuss] Forward Without Download X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:59:14 -0000 Hi Eric, --On December 4, 2014 at 5:36:37 PM -0500 Eric Burger=20 wrote: > Has anyone implemented and deployed BURL/CATENATE? I looked at > , but > half the companies are gone. I am curious as I=E2=80=99d like to do a = security > study on forward without download. > > While on the topic, does anyone want me to update the Lemonade Plans page > with current information? > > Lastly, I copied apps-discuss because I doubt anyone cares about the > lemonade list anymore. I am leaning towards shutting it down and having > whatever discussion needs to happen on the apps-discuss list. If you > think that=E2=80=99s a daft idea, feel free to respond on the lemonade = list. Try imapext instead of lemonade - there are ongoing IMAP discussions there: List-Id: Discussion of IMAP extensions List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , --=20 Cyrus Daboo From nobody Fri Dec 5 00:25:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7B21A88EF; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:25:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x-5cSG2AIVQy; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from drpepper.rename-it.nl (drpepper.rename-it.nl [217.119.238.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E65B1A0121; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from klara.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.162.218]:65402 helo=[10.168.3.2]) by drpepper.rename-it.nl with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XwoCD-0000Jt-V9; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:25:04 +0100 Message-ID: <54816B82.7030702@rename-it.nl> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:23:30 +0100 From: Stephan Bosch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Burger , lemonade@ietf.org, IETF Apps Discuss References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RenameIT-MailScanner-SpamScore: -2.3 (--) X-RenameIT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lemonade/UvULP8FEO9WF0j2CSd5oTw4S6mQ Subject: Re: [lemonade] [apps-discuss] Forward Without Download X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:25:10 -0000 Hi Eric, On 12/4/2014 11:36 PM, Eric Burger wrote: > Has anyone implemented and deployed BURL/CATENATE? I looked at , but half the c= ompanies are gone. I am curious as I=92d like to do a security study on f= orward without download. > While on the topic, does anyone want me to update the Lemonade Plans pa= ge with current information? For the IMAP side you can look at the IMAP wiki: http://www.imapwiki.org/Specs . I've kept this matrix up to date with information I could find online. Support for BURL is less easy. I know the following: Oracle supports it in their product: https://wikis.oracle.com/display/CommSuite/Messaging+Server+Lemonade+Prof= ile+1+Support+in+Unified+Configuration#MessagingServerLemonadeProfile1Sup= portinUnifiedConfiguration-SupportforBURL Isode supports it in their product: http://www.isode.com/products/m-switch-conformance.html For Postfix I've heard some rumors that Wietse was looking into it, but I grepped for BURL in the latest source code I could find and found nothi= ng. Exim doesn't support BURL at all. I myself have created most of the CATENATE and URLAUTH support for Dovecot. In addition to that, I've made an SMTP submission frontend (proxy) for Dovecot that adds BURL support to any SMTP server. It will be available for version v2.3, but I have no idea when that will be released. Regards, Stephan. From nobody Fri Dec 5 03:43:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lemonade@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCAF1ACE27; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 03:43:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjtPw8ROe2zR; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 03:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from statler.isode.com (ext-bt.isode.com [217.34.220.158]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EC11ACE48; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 03:43:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1417779834; d=isode.com; s=selector; i=@isode.com; bh=HEsjc0AyDkl1PFNM9fCojUVKqdbylX3MW9aw29m7Upo=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=QKAtB8wXsEAkd5QltNieLxyH94XcqzOMPzTMUX4Tbr/trqYlmZ88XAPSGDgSc4LYcFMnOf eN274sc80y5NXVeJyU9lLjDk+1VKqVL71S94dvJnJK7nESAxGBbZRmSXoVIJcQxes9/7mb pjLfnVw8ybwhETy39xJAqvnouLFCzSc=; Received: from [172.20.1.215] (dhcp-215.isode.net [172.20.1.215]) by statler.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:43:53 +0000 Message-ID: <548199D5.3080006@isode.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:41:09 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 To: Eric Burger , lemonade@ietf.org, IETF Apps Discuss References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lemonade/BIdSmIK4b_slplOM_8m3XQ5Kfvw Subject: Re: [lemonade] Forward Without Download X-BeenThere: lemonade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service enivronments List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:43:57 -0000 On 04/12/2014 22:36, Eric Burger wrote: > Has anyone implemented and deployed BURL/CATENATE? I looked at , but half the compani= es are gone. I am curious as I=92d like to do a security study on forward wi= thout download. In addition to what Stephan has mentioned: Isode is adding support for=20 CATENATE/BURL to our Android email client in the next 3 months.