From nobody Mon Dec 8 08:48:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160181AC3AF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E3oV3XPtJp5v for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 08:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0109.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 637ED1A1A0C for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 08:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.73.146) by CO1PR05MB379.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.51.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:47:48 +0000 Received: from CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.73.146) by CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.73.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:47:46 +0000 Received: from CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.13.233]) by CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.13.233]) with mapi id 15.01.0031.000; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:47:46 +0000 From: Ronald Bonica To: "lime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: OAM Model Design Team Thread-Index: AdATBq/rFWeF1774SoCjpQXLnMkAaA== Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:47:45 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.13] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO1PR05MB442;UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO1PR05MB442; x-forefront-prvs: 041963B986 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(199003)(2656002)(76576001)(62966003)(106356001)(450100001)(87936001)(97736003)(120916001)(46102003)(105586002)(99396003)(77156002)(110136001)(102836002)(229853001)(107046002)(2501002)(122556002)(68736005)(40100003)(107886001)(2351001)(99286002)(66066001)(54206007)(92566001)(20776003)(4396001)(86362001)(31966008)(50986999)(101416001)(54356999)(74316001)(21056001)(54606007)(33656002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1PR05MB442; H:CO1PR05MB442.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO1PR05MB379; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/0_yfjx100XXFDxVH0EegGN7ar7Y Subject: [Lime] OAM Model Design Team X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:47:56 -0000 Limeys, At the first LIME WG meeting, several participants noted that the OAM Model= chosen by the WG could influence the WG's output. Therefore, a design team= has been assembled to address the following questions: - To what degree does the choice of an OAM modes influence LIME work? - What are the candidate models (IEEE CFM? BFD? Other?) - Provide an overview of each? - Can LIME's work be made "model agnostic"? - If not, which model should the WG embrace? The design team will deliver a single Internet Draft by IETF 92. The Intern= et Draft will influence subsequent LIME work, but may not be useful beyond = the lifetime of the LIME WG. Therefore, the ID may never be submitted to th= e IESG for publication. The design team will produce a monthly status report for the duration of th= e task.=20 Thanks to all who volunteered to serve on the design team. In an effort to = keep the size of the team manageable, the chairs and AD have selected the f= ollowing individuals to serve on the design team: - Tom Taylor - Qin Wu - Tissa Senevirathne - Greg Mirsky - Nobo Akiya - Geoff Huston Carl= os and Ron From nobody Wed Dec 10 20:03:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802971A1B42 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:03:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsQSBQinuXvX for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B022C1A1AE0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:03:02 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79916d00000623a-9f-5488badd0c98 Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C5.0A.25146.DDAB8845; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:27:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:03:00 -0500 From: Gregory Mirsky To: "bruno.chatras@orange.com" , "King, Daniel" , "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , "DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA" Thread-Topic: We need your feedback on the NFVRG proposed charter Thread-Index: AQHQE4P+Cl/uBoQqqkKIwSsrsJkjZZyJFmeAgAARf4CAAAa2AIAAB2EAgACPwAA= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 04:03:00 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B8B2181@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <1B7A8013-EFCF-44CD-B818-C1A5DA67E4F2@telefonica.com> <65174429B5AF4C45BD0798810EC48E0A32395E07@EX-0-MB2.lancs.local> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D853753B9@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <65174429B5AF4C45BD0798810EC48E0A32395EA0@EX-0-MB2.lancs.local> <30443_1418221295_548856EF_30443_11369_1_88CAD1D4E8773F42858B58CAA28272A0146EFCA3@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <30443_1418221295_548856EF_30443_11369_1_88CAD1D4E8773F42858B58CAA28272A0146EFCA3@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpnkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZXLonVvfuro4QgxkHjC22HpvIaPH94kNm ixfrgi0+nHrLZtGxbTuTxforG5gd2Dxe9s9h9Fiy5CeTx+SNh9k8Th1I92h5dpLNo/M3cwBb FJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAlfGjq1PWQpOdzNWvL7dz9jAeKuoi5GTQ0LARKL/yhJmCFtM4sK99Wxd jFwcQgJHGCXm7N0D5SxnlJg+9zwTSBWbgJHEi4097CAJEYHjjBLz1/9h6WLk4GAWcJOY9EUQ pEZYwEHiVNcPNpCwiICjRONCaZCwiICfxIr5q1hAbBYBVYmtt68wgti8Ar4SM5sOg9lCAheZ Jaa/0AIZzynQySix72I3WIIR6Lrvp9aA3cAsIC5x68l8JoirBSSW7DkP9YGoxMvH/1ghbEWJ ff3T2SHq9SRuTJ3CBmFrSyxb+JoZYrGgxMmZT1gmMIrNQjJ2FpKWWUhaZiFpWcDIsoqRo7Q4 tSw33chwEyMw5o5JsDnuYFzwyfIQowAHoxIP74e69hAh1sSy4srcQ4zSHCxK4rya1fOChQTS E0tSs1NTC1KL4otKc1KLDzEycXBKNTC2ztZfs6ZixoKpQt1KsUs/a0m6dRotuHhKQHv5zYrC Y4Fzjk1cw1LDvrtoZV363jkLeGQTH93/ufCLuKPjofm/Dn0+zuR6j01mTfuRKU6bVubE8zUU uZolKk/euL8p0+yj3pTo5meTVZQuFbIUWTC6/bTi13i6t0OqzGGDoMB+RrPXc0ukLpxVYinO SDTUYi4qTgQA4quKQpoCAAA= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/U-MJ_8-X3F5DDjW_yNm3WA7kkt0 Cc: "nfvrg@irtf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] We need your feedback on the NFVRG proposed charter X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 04:03:06 -0000 Hi Bruno, I'd note that defect characterization and defect correlation, at least in p= art of related informational model(s), is, as I believe, in scope of the LI= ME WG. Input from NFVRG on that subject and broader role of defect detectio= n, localization will be helpful as LIME WG recently formed the Design Team = with the first item of charter as: - YANG data model(s) for generic layer-independent and technology-independ= ent configuration, reporting and presentation for OAM mechanisms. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of bruno.chatras@oran= ge.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:22 PM To: King, Daniel; MORTON, ALFRED C (AL); DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] We need your feedback on the NFVRG proposed charter w.r.t reliability, I think we need to be a bit more specific about the aspe= cts on which NFVRG is expected to bring value. NFVRG should focus on aspec= ts that are not already on the specification work plan of ETSI or another s= tandardization body. For example, rather than adding " Reliability and Redundancy" as a general = item, we could add "Failure characterization/representation and impact on r= eliability and availability". I'll provide a couple of additional comments by the end of this week. Bruno=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] De la part de King, Daniel=20 > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 10 d=E9cembre 2014 14:55 =C0=A0: MORTON, ALFRED C (= AL);=20 > DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA Cc=A0: nfvrg@irtf.org Objet=A0: Re: [Nfvrg] We need=20 > your feedback on the NFVRG proposed charter >=20 > Hi Al, >=20 > Agree. It's good to have research objectives, use cases and=20 > requirements resulting from documents and discussion from other SDOs,=20 > especially (but not limited to) ETSI for NFV. Indeed research and=20 > development would benefit from being synchronized. It might also be=20 > useful to underline this relationship with the ETSI NFV Industry=20 > Steering Group (ISG) in the NFV RG charter text, or it might be enough=20 > to cite the ETSI ISG or specific ETSI ISG documents in any subsequent IRT= F I-Ds. >=20 > However, we are not stating that IRTF NFV research be solely dependent=20 > on ETSI? There are already a number of ETSI documents available that=20 > identify reliability/resiliency/continuity/redundancy objectives and=20 > requirements, and these are available to all. Unfortunately other key=20 > documents are not (unless you are an ETSI member or ETSI ISG=20 > participant) accessible until they reach sufficient maturity and/or "rele= ased" to the wider industry. >=20 > BR, Dan. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON,=20 > ALFRED C > (AL) > Sent: 10 December 2014 13:31 > To: King, Daniel; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA > Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] We need your feedback on the NFVRG proposed=20 > charter >=20 > Hi Dan, >=20 > Any Reliability/Resiliency work in NFVRG would need to be coordinated=20 > with efforts completing and "re-chartered to do more" in ETSI NFV. > For example, if the REL wg has identified an area for research, it=20 > could be a specific item here (if there is support). At least, the REL=20 > phase 1 output doc is available to all. >=20 > regards, > Al >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of King,=20 > > Daniel > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:29 AM > > To: DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA > > Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org > > Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] We need your feedback on the NFVRG proposed=20 > > charter > > > > Hi Diego, all. > > > > Overall, a good set of objectives for the NFV RG research charter. > > However, there seems to be a lack of charter text identifying that=20 > > future NFV-based networks and services will need to be "reliable". > > Ensuring resilient services, and therefore functions (Virtual=20 > > network Functions - VNFs), should be a key design goal. In the event=20 > > of failure within NFV- based network environments there should be=20 > > minimal, or no, effect on service availability and functionality. > > Reliable NFV design goals and potential solutions will require=20 > > research and investigation as they impact NFV architecture,=20 > > components, optimization, and interfaces. To be fair, "resiliency"=20 > > is mentioned in the sub-section pertaining to "Security and Service Ver= ification": > > > > "Finally, elasticity of VNFs entails dynamic scale up/down/out with=20 > > awareness of the resiliency considerations, completely different=20 > > with the approach of monolithic implementations." > > > > Nevertheless, I do not think this outlines the importance and=20 > > potential challenges associated with building and operating reliable=20 > > NFV-based networks and services. My suggestion would be to augment=20 > > the current charter text with: > > > > 1. An additional bullet appended to "Areas of Interest" > > > > o Requirements and mechanisms to ensure reliable virtual network=20 > > functions and services > > > > 2. Adding a reliability objective to "Near Term Work items": > > > > Reliability and Redundancy > > > > Virtual network functions will be used to host network=20 > > infrastructure and services; this introduces additional challenges=20 > > to ensure this new network supports carrier grade reliability with=20 > > suitable redundancy mechanisms. In the event of network and/or=20 > > service degradation or failure, there must be suitable coordination, fa= il-over, and recovery. > > Notification and interaction may also need to occur between VNFs and=20 > > the VNF orchestrator, the general purpose hardware hosting VNFs, and=20 > > underlying network protection mechanisms. These reliable NFV=20 > > mechanisms will also need tools and mechanisms to deploy and manage=20 > > capability, and close coordination with NFV resource management and > performance analytics is also expected. > > > > BR, Dan. > > > > From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of DIEGO LOPEZ=20 > > GARCIA > > Sent: 09 December 2014 07:44 > > To: nfvrg@irtf.org > > Subject: [Nfvrg] We need your feedback on the NFVRG proposed charter > > > > Hi, > > > > Just for you to know, NFVRG is still under the status of "proposed RG" > > in the IRTF. To move into a stable RG status we need to agree in a=20 > > charter, and to do so the IRTF requires us to collect explicit=20 > > feedback from the community. > > > > So please review the text included below (predominantly what we=20 > > discussed in the meetings so far and in the NFVRG wiki page=20 > > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/nfvrg=A0with minor > > edits) and make your comments and/or express your explicit support=20 > > (the usual "+1" would be enough) > > > > Be goode, > > > > 8<-- > > > > Network Function Virtualization Research Group (NFVRG) > > > > Background > > Network Function Virtualization is a key emerging area for network=20 > > operators, hardware and software vendors, cloud service providers,=20 > > and in general network practitioners and researchers. This area=20 > > requires exploring new directions and working collaboratively on how=20 > > to create network services that utilize a virtualized=20 > > infrastructure. Network functions that are traditionally implemented=20 > > in dedicated hardware appliances will need to be decomposed and=20 > > executed in software elements running on cloud-based=20 > > infrastructures. One essential goal of this new approach is to=20 > > reduce capital and operating expenditures for future deployments for=20 > > networks and associated services. Another important goal is for the=20 > > network operators to be able to offer value added cloud services to=20 > > their customers. Finally, new business models will open for the provisi= on of network services. > > > > The technologies enabling the virtualization of network functions=20 > > are currently in an early stage, and they need researchers to=20 > > develop new architectures, systems, and software, and to explore=20 > > tradeoffs and possibilities for leveraging virtualized=20 > > infrastructure to provide support for network functions. The Network=20 > > Functions Virtualization Research Group > > (NFVRG) will bring together researchers and grow the community=20 > > around the world in both academia and industry to explore this new rese= arch area. > > Beyond the direct activity through the IRTF collaboration tools it=20 > > will organize=A0research group meetings and workshops at premier=20 > > conferences (such as IEEE ICC, IEEE Globecom) and inviting special=20 > > issues in well- known journals. > > > > The NFVRG will focus on research problems associated with=20 > > NFV-related topics and on bringing a research community together=20 > > that can jointly address them, concentrating on problems that relate=20 > > not just to networking but also to computing and storage constraints=20 > > in such environments. It is also hoped that the outcome of the=20 > > research will benefit standardization efforts that can get spawned=20 > > via IRTF & IETF BoF meetings and/or provide useful input to other=20 > > related standards efforts in ETSI or other standards bodies. > > > > Areas of Interest > > . New network architectures based on virtualized network functions . > > Network and service function chaining: architecture and=20 > > implementation (e.g. automation of service chain building) .=20 > > Autonomous service orchestration and optimization . New operational=20 > > aspects of network and service virtualization, as well as new=20 > > operational models required by virtualization . Infrastructure and=20 > > service function description and programming (languages, APIs,=20 > > frameworks for combined processing, network and storage > > programming) > > . Coexistence with non-virtualized infrastructure and services . > > Virtualized network economics and business modeling . Security,=20 > > trust and service verification . Real-time big data analytics and=20 > > data-centric management of virtualized infrastructure . New=20 > > application domains enabled by virtualized infrastructure and=20 > > services . System wide optimization of compute, storage, network and=20 > > energy efficiency . Explore infrastructure and service abstractions=20 > > enabled by virtualization . Autonomic and real-time orchestration=20 > > enabled by network function virtualization The group will report=20 > > progress through its wiki and presentations at IETF and IRTF=20 > > meetings. Relevant information and research developed by the=20 > > research group will be submitted for publication as Experimental or Inf= ormational RFCs. > > > > Near Term=A0Work Items > > The group shall focus on a concrete list of near-term work items.=A0 > > For each of the items mentioned below, the goal is to explore system=20 > > architecture, optimization, and open interfaces across components,=20 > > through simulations and/or real-world implementations. > > > > Policy based Resource Management: > > NFV=A0Point of Presence (PoP)=A0will be likely constrained in compute=20 > > and storage capacity. Since practically all NFV=A0PoPs=A0are foreseen t= o=20 > > be distributed, inter-datacenter network capacity is also a constraint. > > Additionally, energy is also a constraint, both as a general concern=20 > > for NFV operators, and in particular=A0for specific-purpose NFV=A0PoPs= =20 > > such as those in mobile base stations. This work item will focus on=20 > > optimized resource management and workload distribution based on policy= . > > > > Analytics for Visibility and Orchestration: > > Network functions should be supportable on general purpose commodity=20 > > hardware. Real-time analytics providing insight into various=20 > > components such as compute (e.g. dynamic CPU utilization), storage=20 > > (e.g. dynamic capacity usage), network (e.g. dynamic bandwidth=20 > > utilization), energy (e.g. dynamic power consumption) are key to not=20 > > only providing visibility into the NFV infrastructure but also=20 > > optimizing resource usage for the purposes of orchestration. This=20 > > work item will contemplate techniques for the applicability of real-tim= e analytics. > > > > Virtual Network Function (VNF) Performance Modeling to facilitate=20 > > transition to NFV: > > While migrating from hardware network appliances, which are=20 > > typically custom and monolithic, to virtualized software=20 > > implementations running on commodity hardware a challenge which is=20 > > often faced is to come up with an equivalence model especially in=20 > > terms of performance. The work item will consider this modeling. > > > > Security and Service Verification: > > NFV configuration is expected to be dynamic especially in the edge=20 > > NFV PoP=A0where capacity is limited; a very good example is handling a= =20 > > viral event such as mobile gaming application. While autonomic=20 > > networking techniques could be used to automate the configuration=20 > > process including modular updates, it is important to take into=20 > > account that incomplete and/or inconsistent configuration may lead to s= ecurity issues. > > Additionally, events such as distributed denial of service (DDoS)=20 > > attacks could be an additional source of compromise with additional=20 > > implications due to the dependency of NFV on a distributed=20 > > infrastructure. Finally, elasticity of VNFs entails dynamic scale=20 > > up/down/out with awareness of the resiliency considerations,=20 > > completely different with the approach of monolithic implementations. > > Security issues and relevant solutions related to the elastic nature=20 > > of VNFs are > the objectives of this work item. > > > > -- > > PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS > > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > > > Dr Diego R. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Nfvrg mailing list Nfvrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg From nobody Mon Dec 15 18:57:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9846C1AC3EA; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:57:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e23XgBWUPit5; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183F11A028A; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:57:21 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <094801d018dc$002857a0$007906e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0949_01D018B2.1752EBE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAYoYoKvXCU1HvtSom7DYbhDQp0sg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/-3VXgiItbTgyK4IgfWAnlLsz2KM Cc: 'Donald Eastlake' , lime@ietf.org, jon.hudson@gmail.com Subject: [Lime] WG Adoption call for draft-hao-trill-yang-01 (12/15 to 12/29) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:57:22 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0949_01D018B2.1752EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This begins a 2 week adoption call from draft-hao-trill-yang-01. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-trill-yang/ This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014 interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2014). In your review, please indicate the following: a) if this yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor yang, and b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0949_01D018B2.1752EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This = begins a 2 week adoption call from draft-hao-trill-yang-01.  The = draft can be found at:

 

http://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-trill-yang/

 

This draft = will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014 interim = of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2014). =  In your review, please indicate the following:  a) if this = yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor yang, = and b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. =

 

Sue Hares =    

------=_NextPart_000_0949_01D018B2.1752EBE0-- From nobody Mon Dec 15 19:15:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEBF1AC44A; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:15:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2_DvUzBFV12O; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EF11AC433; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Doolan, Paul \(Coriant - US/Irving\)'" References: <094801d018dc$002857a0$007906e0$@ndzh.com> <90148771-64F7-4041-8025-223D4457C567@coriant.com> In-Reply-To: <90148771-64F7-4041-8025-223D4457C567@coriant.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: <099901d018de$8a94d380$9fbe7a80$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_099A_01D018B4.A1C13C80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIfXjo56WO3zZONdB2f2UAbQBWcpgEOQMEam+qOQNA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/DecLzyAK9xaayj-KloBIA6fz-Cc Cc: 'Donald Eastlake' , jon.hudson@gmail.com, lime@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lime] WG Adoption call for draft-hao-trill-yang-01 (12/15 to 12/29) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:15:42 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_099A_01D018B4.A1C13C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul: Thank you for letting me know regarding my typo - please see the corrections below. "manage or monitor TRILL". Sue --------------------------- This begins a 2 week adoption call from draft-hao-trill-yang-01. The draft can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-trill-yang/ This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014 interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2014). In your review, please indicate the following: a) if this yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor TRILL, and b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. Sue Hares _______________________________________________ Lime mailing list Lime@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime ------=_NextPart_000_099A_01D018B4.A1C13C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Paul:

 

Thank you for letting me know regarding my typo – please see = the corrections below.  “manage or monitor = TRILL”.

 

Sue

 

---------------------------

 

 

This = begins a 2 week adoption call from draft-hao-trill-yang-01.  The = draft can be found at:

 =

 =

This draft = will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014 interim = of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2014). =  In your review, please indicate the following:  a) if this = yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor TRILL, and b) if you support adoption = this work into the TRILL WG.

 =

Sue Hares =    

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------=_NextPart_000_099A_01D018B4.A1C13C80-- From nobody Mon Dec 15 19:15:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52B51AC82C; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:15:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KEgp1raJ8vVz; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am1on0603.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe00::603]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA90A1AC424; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from DB3PR04MB0761.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.51.152) by DB3PR04MB0764.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.51.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:08:27 +0000 Received: from DB3PR04MB0761.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.51.152]) by DB3PR04MB0761.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.51.152]) with mapi id 15.01.0031.000; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:08:27 +0000 From: "Doolan, Paul (Coriant - US/Irving)" To: Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Lime] WG Adoption call for draft-hao-trill-yang-01 (12/15 to 12/29) Thread-Index: AdAYoYoKvXCU1HvtSom7DYbhDQp0sgAPARiA Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:08:27 +0000 Message-ID: <90148771-64F7-4041-8025-223D4457C567@coriant.com> References: <094801d018dc$002857a0$007906e0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <094801d018dc$002857a0$007906e0$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [98.229.158.74] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DB3PR04MB0764; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DB3PR04MB0764; x-forefront-prvs: 04270EF89C x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(189002)(24454002)(479174004)(377454003)(199003)(97736003)(40100003)(122556002)(68736005)(19617315012)(101416001)(102836002)(77156002)(82746002)(83716003)(99396003)(107046002)(31966008)(105586002)(86362001)(62966003)(92566001)(21056001)(66066001)(106356001)(230783001)(110136001)(46102003)(15975445007)(2656002)(33656002)(4396001)(16236675004)(20776003)(120916001)(19580395003)(87936001)(54356999)(64706001)(36756003)(76176999)(19580405001)(50986999)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:DB3PR04MB0764; H:DB3PR04MB0761.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9014877164F740418025223D4457C567coriantcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: coriant.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/-CmW9bcrmikcUhlcIORZIL_Sgkc Cc: Donald Eastlake , "jon.hudson@gmail.com" , "lime@ietf.org" , "" Subject: Re: [Lime] WG Adoption call for draft-hao-trill-yang-01 (12/15 to 12/29) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:15:46 -0000 --_000_9014877164F740418025223D4457C567coriantcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Susan, a) if this yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor = yang, Typo ? pd On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Susan Hares wrote: This begins a 2 week adoption call from draft-hao-trill-yang-01. The draft= can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-trill-yang/ This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014= interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2= 014). In your review, please indicate the following: a) if this yang modu= le provides information necessary to manage or monitor yang, and b) if you = support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. Sue Hares _______________________________________________ Lime mailing list Lime@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime --_000_9014877164F740418025223D4457C567coriantcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7BB0F87C3613D34FA3514DB842EA3EAA@eurprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Susan,

a) if this yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor = yang, 


Typo ?

pd

On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Susan Hares wrote:

This begins a 2 week adoption call from draft-hao-trill-yang-01.  The = draft can be found at:
 
 
This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014= interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2= 014).  In your review, please indicate the following:  a) if this= yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor yang, and b) if you support adoption this work into t= he TRILL WG.
 
Sue Hares    
_______________________________________________
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime<= /a>

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This = begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00 which = can be found at:

 

http= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm/

 

This = draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014 = interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on = 12/18/2014).  In your review, please indicate the following: =  a) if this yang module provides information necessary to manage or = monitor TRILL, and b) if you = support adoption this work into the TRILL WG.

 

Sue Hares = and Jon Hudson

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------=_NextPart_000_09E6_01D018BB.A4B9B7D0-- From nobody Tue Dec 16 07:03:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E3B1A1B0C; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:03:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N_Ekq_ea_Cz9; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D79C71A1B4E; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:03:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=12734; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418742197; x=1419951797; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=DfW7Xz3DnAa6lFckvXXSLPV7bFImAOJsoLFneLXYym4=; b=dmQKd8B5CYwd2ycwXRstLMKWKcfXzXE/xEo7bTlmEizDOZ5hk5sOKxox 1/muzlc2MJ3RU9Ai/ecbAEBxQQLG9X6VHaE37rbyp2NaaGB4NlvHnF+4x 4D3tzVI14/dO4rXApINJbcKiK2V1B0ZmO8Qvb3WTUOkXs1NHC8atklw5J Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsoIAENJkFStJA2H/2dsb2JhbABagkMhIlJYBIMCs0+MfTyBXwELhXACHHwWAQEBAQF9hA0BAQQBAQEaBksLEAIBCA4xAwICAiULFBEBAQQOBQmIIwEMvhuWSwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARePbgQGAYJoLoETBYwsgVaDPoUxgQswgi6FYoQ2gzgigjCBPG4BAQGBQn4BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,587,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="380982618" Received: from alln-core-2.cisco.com ([173.36.13.135]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Dec 2014 15:03:15 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBGF3E1k002247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:03:14 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([fe80::8c1c:7b85:56de:ffd1]) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com ([173.37.183.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:03:14 -0600 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) Thread-Index: AdAY5SooRfNJXPHNRVCmtGUaR/Cy1AAjooaA Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:03:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: <09e501d018e5$8d8f4aa0$a8addfe0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <09e501d018e5$8d8f4aa0$a8addfe0$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.150.53.107] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C242F93DD95C4612B565357D21EC2382ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/thBI9y6_fwX_4DipovtbMME7Q20 Cc: Donald Eastlake , "jon.hudson@gmail.com" , "lime@ietf.org" , "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." 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([169.254.1.250]) by xhc-aln-x02.cisco.com ([173.36.12.76]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:15:52 -0600 From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) Thread-Index: AdAY5SooRfNJXPHNRVCmtGUaR/Cy1AAjooaA//+OKwA= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [10.24.170.23] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D0B59A2CA1134dekumarciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/xYebYU0apyLZoILtOG9Tb2RJ9sQ Cc: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" , "jon.hudson@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:15:57 -0000 --_000_D0B59A2CA1134dekumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for comments. I will fix them and submit new version of draft for re= view. Thanks, Deepak From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:03 AM To: Susan Hares > Cc: "d3e3e3@gmail.com" >, "jon.hudson@gmail.com" >, "lime@ietf.org" >, "trill@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/201= 4 to 12/30/2014) Sue, Jon, I have a few concerns with this document: * The Abstract says =93It extends Yang Data Model for TRILL OAM [TRILLO= AMYANG]=94, however, [TRILLOAMYANG] is listed as an Informative reference = =97 I believe it should be Normative (all the definitions are coming from i= t, and this doc extends that model) * It seems the same issue exists with draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam and = [GENYANGOAM], which should be Normative there. * By the way, a nit as well (the Abstract includes citations). * Ditto for [GENYANGOAM], as the text says =93In this document we exten= d the YANG model defined in [GENYANGOAM]=94 * There=92s a non-insignificant set of Nits which frankly should be tak= en care of before this call for adoption (see http://www.ietf.org/tools/idn= its?url=3Dhttp://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00.txt) * This severely detracts from readability. I believe these are blocking for adoption. Thanks, Carlos. On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Susan Hares > wrote: This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00 whi= ch can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm/ This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014= interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2= 014). In your review, please indicate the following: a) if this yang modu= le provides information necessary to manage or monitor TRILL, and b) if you= support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. Sue Hares and Jon Hudson Co-chairs _______________________________________________ Lime mailing list Lime@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime --_000_D0B59A2CA1134dekumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <20C2376D90AD2D44BED14B81D5768363@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for comments. I will fix them and submit new version of draft f= or review.

Thanks,
Deepak

From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpign= ata)" <cpignata@cisco.com= >
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:= 03 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Cc: "d3e3e3@gmail.com" <d3e3e3@gmail.com>, "= jon.hudson@gmail.com" <= jon.hudson@gmail.com>, "lime@ietf.org" <lime@ietf.org>, "trill@ietf.org" <trill@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call f= or draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014)

Sue, Jon,

I have a few concerns with this document:
  • The Abstract says =93It extends Yang Data Model for TRILL OA= M [TRILLOAMYANG]=94, however, [TRILLOAMYANG] is listed as an Informati= ve reference =97 I believe it should be Normative (all the definitions are = coming from it, and this doc extends that model)
    • It seems the same issue exists with draft-ietf-trill-ya= ng-oam and [GENYANGOAM], which should be Normative there.
    • By the way, a nit as well (the Abstract includes citations).
    • Ditto for [GENYANGOAM], as the text says =93In thi= s document we extend the YANG model defined in [GENYANGOAM]=94
    • There=92s a non-insignificant set of Nits which frankly should be ta= ken care of before this call for adoption (see http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=3Dhttp://= www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00.txt) 
      • This severely detracts from readability.

I believe these are blocking for adoption.

Thanks,

Carlos.

On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00 whi= ch can be found at:
 
http://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm/
 
This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014= interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2= 014).  In your review, please indicate the following:  a) if this= yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor TRILL= , and b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG.
 
Sue Hares and Jon Hudson
Co-chairs
 
 
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 --_000_D0B59A2CA1134dekumarciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 00:37:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8031A6FA8; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MtIu8hKygdhJ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E51CB1A6FAD; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BMY98921; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:36:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.35) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:36:31 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.169]) by nkgeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:36:27 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , Susan Hares Thread-Topic: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) Thread-Index: AQHQGUF6/WOP1Fhje0+CoFsx+BCs6pyTdEtg Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <09e501d018e5$8d8f4aa0$a8addfe0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.41.180] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA84693738nkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/2i8CF0AaHg7q9DegD6IxJKmYjxA Cc: Donald Eastlake , "trill@ietf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" , "jon.hudson@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." 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14:00:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [10.82.220.83] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5054FAE7EF337A4A862EA6915E3B0F13@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/CVqKgyK-8pUsCdvRhNQABu9kyyI Subject: [Lime] FW: [Rtg-yang-coord] Yangathon @ IETF in Dallas X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:00:28 -0000 LIME, FYI. Thanks, Carlos. On 12/17/14, 8:55 AM, "Thomas D. Nadeau" wrote: > Hi! > > I will be hosting a Yangathon hacking session at the IETF in Dallas. You >can get more information about the meeting here: >http://www.ietf.org/meeting/ > > The past meetings have been very well attended, so we need as many >volunteers who are Yang experts to help others with advice on model >creation/modification and general information around Yang. Please >contact me offline (with the same subject line) if you can commit to >being there in person. > > We are also considering a tutorial on one or more of the tools. If you >have ideas, please let me know as that is a welcome addition to the >meeting as well. > > Thanks! > > --Tom > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord From nobody Wed Dec 17 09:46:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78DF1A6FB2; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YOjrfr2BFN6d; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0083F1A6F6F; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:46:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=28632; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418838380; x=1420047980; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=YZ80Cgf98UhsZAEuVkvv1plXJ4PNhAcBoY+9VC4Hm1E=; b=TKq7Edi6RSmlR48+ILfXzd4g85korBCEmsHvsxHVg5QbSP1b8jFqOC4F CHJmDtYjsbCW+pjFaNqQa6O2ItEeYLFfo4POGFnVgeIA2p+wm3OdqcYuZ N4MGugtVVBvTwzfcJftzUVTIKMFC78WFYvPy2t/fCHZ2cEp9VGpKsny6z Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmUHADzAkVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABXA4JDIXRYBIMCs1iMdDyBXwELhXACHIEaAQEBAQF9hA0BAQQBAQEaBksGBRACAQYCDjEDAgICHwYLFBEBAQQOBQmIDwMRAQyiKJxokFoNhUUBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXjUoJggQLDAQGARGCV4FBBYwygVaDPoFAgi+BQ4ELMIIxhWaCG4IbgzgigjCBPG8BAQGBQn4BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,595,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="273777248" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 17:46:17 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBHHkFnA006493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:46:17 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([fe80::8c1c:7b85:56de:ffd1]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([fe80::200:5efe:173.37.183.34%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:46:15 -0600 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Donald Eastlake Thread-Topic: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) Thread-Index: AdAY5SooRfNJXPHNRVCmtGUaR/Cy1AAjooaAACTIfgAAEcFzAAABcIKA Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: <09e501d018e5$8d8f4aa0$a8addfe0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.220.83] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C8A62660E45744BF9685628097306083ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/cJTR8BDVDZUcfrTar_jkjcWzOnY Cc: "lime@ietf.org" , Qin Wu , "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." 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Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:06:15 -0000 --089e0139fc286d5c0b050a6c7a8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carlos and Qin, Thanks, Carlos, for reviewing and commenting on this draft. I'm sure your comments will help improve the draft. However, I do not agree on the process points. It is important to distinguish between adopting a draft, that is taking a personal draft under the control of its authors and making it a Working Group draft under the control of the Working Group, and the final Working Group consensus determination (usually involving a WG Last Call) to request RFC publication of a draft. More polished drafts are obviously better than drafts with lots of nits, references incorrectly categorized are Normative or Informative, and the like, That sort of thing needs to be fixed before RFC publication is requested, but I do not think it has to be fixed before adopting the draft. A draft can be adopted by a Working Group even if there are much worse problems in the draft, such as serious technical flaws or inconsistencies, as long as the Working Group thinks it is a plausible starting point to work from. Just adopting the draft is not a guarantee that there will later be Working Group consensus to request RFC publication. Of course, you would expect a draft to be improved after it has been adopted and before RFC publication is requested. The normative references process point is a bit less clear cut. It is very common for drafts to be fully approved all the way through being in the RFC Editor's queue despite normative dependencies on other drafts that are at a much earlier stage in the process. If you go to http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue2.html and search for "MISSREF" you will find many fully approved drafts whose publication is being held up by normative references to other drafts that are not yet approved (or, in some cases, held up by a normative reference to an approved draft that in turn normatively references anther draft that is not yet approved or even longer normative reference chains with the last draft in the chain not approved). The TRILL WG has frequently approved drafts with one or more normative dependencies that had not yet been approved. On the other hand, if the Working Group feels it is appropriate to delay, it certainly can hold up on requesting publication of a draft until it is satisfied with the status of normative references from that draft. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Qin Wu wrote: > > Agree with Carlos, it is process issue. Usually a I-D will not be > adopted until all the normative referenced drafts get proceeded. > > > > Regards! > > -Qin > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *=E4= =BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Carlos Pignataro > (cpignata) > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2014=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8816=E6=97= =A5 23:03 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Susan Hares > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Donald Eastlake; jon.hudson@gmail.com; lime@ietf.or= g; trill@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yan= g-pm (12/15/2014 > to 12/30/2014) > > > > Sue, Jon, > > > > I have a few concerns with this document: > > - The Abstract says =E2=80=9CIt extends Yang Data Model for TRILL OAM > [TRILLOAMYANG]=E2=80=9D, however, [TRILLOAMYANG] is listed as an Infor= mative > reference =E2=80=94 I believe it should be Normative (all the definiti= ons are > coming from it, and this doc extends that model) > > > - It seems the same issue exists with draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam > and [GENYANGOAM], which should be Normative there. > - By the way, a nit as well (the Abstract includes citations). > > > - Ditto for [GENYANGOAM], as the text says =E2=80=9CIn this document w= e extend > the YANG model defined in [GENYANGOAM]=E2=80=9D > - There=E2=80=99s a non-insignificant set of Nits which frankly should= be > taken care of before this call for adoption (see > http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=3Dhttp://www.ietf.org/archive/id/= draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00.txt) > > > > - This severely detracts from readability. > > > > I believe these are blocking for adoption. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carlos. > > > > On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > > > > This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00 > which can be found at: > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm/ > > > > This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the > 12/17/2014 interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijin= g > on 12/18/2014). In your review, please indicate the following: a) if th= is > yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor *TRILL*, > and b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. > > > > Sue Hares and Jon Hudson > > Co-chairs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lime mailing list > Lime@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime > > > --089e0139fc286d5c0b050a6c7a8e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Carlos and Qin,

Thanks, Carlos, for = reviewing and commenting on this draft. I'm sure your comments will hel= p improve the draft.

However, I do not agree on th= e process points. It is important to distinguish between adopting a draft, = that is taking a personal draft under the control of its authors and making= it a Working Group draft under the control of the Working Group, and the f= inal Working Group consensus determination (usually involving a WG Last Cal= l) to request RFC publication of a draft.

More pol= ished drafts are obviously better than drafts with lots of nits, references= incorrectly categorized are Normative or Informative, and the like, That s= ort of thing needs to be fixed before RFC publication is requested, but I d= o not think it has to be fixed before adopting the draft. A draft can be ad= opted by a Working Group even if there are much worse problems in the draft= , such as serious technical flaws or inconsistencies, as long as the Workin= g Group thinks it is a plausible starting point to work from. Just adopting= the draft is not a guarantee that there will later be Working Group consen= sus to request RFC publication. Of course, you would expect a draft to be i= mproved after it has been adopted and before RFC publication is requested.<= /div>

The normative references process point is a bit le= ss clear cut. It is very common for drafts to be fully approved all the way= through being in the RFC Editor's queue despite normative dependencies= on other drafts that are at a much earlier stage in the process. If you go= to
and search for "MISSREF&q= uot; you will find many fully approved drafts whose publication is being he= ld up by normative references to other drafts that are not yet approved (or= , in some cases, held up by a normative reference to an approved draft that= in turn normatively references anther draft that is not yet approved or ev= en longer normative reference chains with the last draft in the chain not a= pproved). The TRILL WG has frequently approved drafts with one or more norm= ative dependencies that had not yet been approved. On the other hand, if th= e Working Group feels it is appropriate to delay, it certainly can hold up = on requesting publication of a draft until it is satisfied with the status = of normative references from that draft.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell= )
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street,=C2=A0Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Qin Wu <b= ill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:

Agree with Carlos, it is pr= ocess issue. Usually a I-D will not be adopted until all the normative refe= renced drafts get proceeded.

=C2=A0=

Regards!

-Qin

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6= =E4=BA=BA: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97= =B4: 2014=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5 23:03
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Susan Hares
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Donald Eastlake; jon.hudson@gmail.com; lime@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014= to 12/30/2014)

=C2=A0

Sue, Jon, =

=C2=A0

I have a few concerns with this= document:

  • The Abstract says =E2=80=9CIt extends Yang Data Model = for TRILL OAM [TRILLOAMYANG]=E2=80=9D, however,=C2=A0[TRILLOAMYANG] is list= ed as an Informative reference =E2=80=94 I believe it should be Normative (= all the definitions are coming from it, and this doc extends that model)
    • It seems the same issue exists with=C2=A0draft-ietf-tr= ill-yang-oam and=C2=A0[GENYANGOAM], which should be Normative there.=
    • By the way, a nit as well (the Abstract includes citat= ions).
    • This severely detracts from readability.=

=C2=A0

I believe these are blocking fo= r adoption.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

=C2=A0

Carlos.

=C2=A0

On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:05 PM, S= usan Hares <shares@= ndzh.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-de= epak-trill-yang-pm-00 which can be found at:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This draft will be reviewed along with other yang = modules at the 12/17/2014 interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 1= 0-11am Beijing on 12/18/2014).=C2=A0 In your review, please indicate the following: =C2=A0a) if this yang module p= rovides information necessary to manage or monitor=C2=A0TRILL, and b) if you support a= doption this work into the TRILL WG.

=C2=A0

Sue Hares and Jon Hudson

Co-chairs

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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--089e0139fc286d5c0b050a6c7a8e-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 12:56:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BCD1A9037; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ydhZyCv67tWE; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x233.google.com (mail-ob0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 235511A9004; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id va2so5868510obc.10 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/y+CKDTDrp9kwRX9dDe2HL7WpH7NiViAbcFbEvNTO8o=; b=tw5cdxjxI78BiOHsN1ZhrbwlVVzR4hX6Titl+9BTNmcwhSSbR5/w51PcHHc70JcLNU hUiiYoYva1jnNfK9zeUIQYFKBDrWSR7VHRoqMNoWQE1mD2blw1pc8x57X/yuFJO6fRW6 Sg+U/7ZfIu+oNXkKZibeJpeOY4QsGsI7F0ukP3HYK2L8a33siKGCsXvzH6zzVhY6zj3V S6M8uzmi9vHQyGfun+0o3K1IwuVuVzbuvDoTDP3FwBek9yzVcDtsIO8gwpb1+iDw3bYL yqqr9K30GZtnwEmSO2Vvn1VIr8XqFVG9mZzCfEMzQ3E+qRmOHU6mM9Nb5fazBoGJRM+z LtoA== X-Received: by 10.202.91.87 with SMTP id p84mr25948699oib.0.1418849762334; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.147.105 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:55:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <09e501d018e5$8d8f4aa0$a8addfe0$@ndzh.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:55:42 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/MDETjFQeCcxTE4im1SUUMJuDTOY Cc: "lime@ietf.org" , Qin Wu , "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:56:05 -0000 Hi Carlos, On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > Hi Donald, > > Thanks for the follow-up. Just for clarity, I did not scream =E2=80=9Cpro= cess!=E2=80=9D. Sorry if I misinterpreted you message. I guess it was Qin Wu who said "it is process issue...". > I had two main points in my quick review =E2=80=94 1. that key references= that > should be Normative are Informative, and 2. that there is a large number = of > idnits (3 errors, 19 warnings), which severely impact readability and > understanding of links to other pieces of work. > > At the time of WG call for adoption, I do think it=E2=80=99s important to= understand > dependencies and normative ongoing work, to make an adoption determinatio= n, > and therefore I believe it to be important to fix these before adoption. = And > FWIW I disagree this is a =E2=80=9Cprocess issue=E2=80=9D and the other c= omment about > sequentiality of adoption. I guess I still disagree with you, although somewhat weakly. A draft can evolve quite a bit from the version adopted to a later version that is approved so, for example, dependencies can change and, in any case, at this stage I would depend more on my judgement based on the draft text than on how the reference was classified by the authors. (From my point of view, it was not that long ago in the IETF that references in drafts ad RFCs were just a single list without the current Normative/Informational classification.) Perhaps it just depends on the particular draft and situation and reasonable people could come to different conclusions. In any case, it seems like these defects in the draft will be fixed pretty quickly. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Hope these help, > > Carlos. > > On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi Carlos and Qin, > > Thanks, Carlos, for reviewing and commenting on this draft. I'm sure your > comments will help improve the draft. > > However, I do not agree on the process points. It is important to > distinguish between adopting a draft, that is taking a personal draft und= er > the control of its authors and making it a Working Group draft under the > control of the Working Group, and the final Working Group consensus > determination (usually involving a WG Last Call) to request RFC publicati= on > of a draft. > > More polished drafts are obviously better than drafts with lots of nits, > references incorrectly categorized are Normative or Informative, and the > like, That sort of thing needs to be fixed before RFC publication is > requested, but I do not think it has to be fixed before adopting the draf= t. > A draft can be adopted by a Working Group even if there are much worse > problems in the draft, such as serious technical flaws or inconsistencies= , > as long as the Working Group thinks it is a plausible starting point to w= ork > from. Just adopting the draft is not a guarantee that there will later be > Working Group consensus to request RFC publication. Of course, you would > expect a draft to be improved after it has been adopted and before RFC > publication is requested. > > The normative references process point is a bit less clear cut. It is ver= y > common for drafts to be fully approved all the way through being in the R= FC > Editor's queue despite normative dependencies on other drafts that are at= a > much earlier stage in the process. If you go to > http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue2.html > and search for "MISSREF" you will find many fully approved drafts whose > publication is being held up by normative references to other drafts that > are not yet approved (or, in some cases, held up by a normative reference= to > an approved draft that in turn normatively references anther draft that i= s > not yet approved or even longer normative reference chains with the last > draft in the chain not approved). The TRILL WG has frequently approved > drafts with one or more normative dependencies that had not yet been > approved. On the other hand, if the Working Group feels it is appropriate= to > delay, it certainly can hold up on requesting publication of a draft unti= l > it is satisfied with the status of normative references from that draft. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Qin Wu wrote: >> >> Agree with Carlos, it is process issue. Usually a I-D will not be adopte= d >> until all the normative referenced drafts get proceeded. >> >> >> >> Regards! >> >> -Qin >> >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8816=E6=97= =A5 23:03 >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Susan Hares >> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Donald Eastlake; jon.hudson@gmail.com; lime@ietf.org= ; trill@ietf.org >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang= -pm (12/15/2014 to >> 12/30/2014) >> >> >> >> Sue, Jon, >> >> >> >> I have a few concerns with this document: >> >> The Abstract says =E2=80=9CIt extends Yang Data Model for TRILL OAM >> [TRILLOAMYANG]=E2=80=9D, however, [TRILLOAMYANG] is listed as an Informa= tive >> reference =E2=80=94 I believe it should be Normative (all the definition= s are coming >> from it, and this doc extends that model) >> >> It seems the same issue exists with draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam and >> [GENYANGOAM], which should be Normative there. >> By the way, a nit as well (the Abstract includes citations). >> >> Ditto for [GENYANGOAM], as the text says =E2=80=9CIn this document we ex= tend the >> YANG model defined in [GENYANGOAM]=E2=80=9D >> There=E2=80=99s a non-insignificant set of Nits which frankly should be = taken care >> of before this call for adoption (see >> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=3Dhttp://www.ietf.org/archive/id/dr= aft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00.txt) >> >> This severely detracts from readability. >> >> >> >> I believe these are blocking for adoption. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Carlos. >> >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Susan Hares wrote: >> >> >> >> This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00 >> which can be found at: >> >> >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm/ >> >> >> >> This draft will be reviewed along with other yang modules at the >> 12/17/2014 interim of trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beiji= ng >> on 12/18/2014). In your review, please indicate the following: a) if t= his >> yang module provides information necessary to manage or monitor TRILL, a= nd >> b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG. >> >> >> >> Sue Hares and Jon Hudson >> >> Co-chairs >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lime mailing list >> Lime@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime >> >> > > From nobody Wed Dec 17 13:17:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A853D1A878B; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.061 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.061 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FjPu-ipbSWDE; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33F3D1A86E3; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:17:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11060; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418851033; x=1420060633; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HzhywDKXlWVgZHiS1RD+HAEA6yxZkeiOYqpiOIlV/wc=; b=gr3G236mYofKdByhm0VvFix+N4COmXWVmS0niodVwYR7v83KxdFP2XIR Nv7PLhU9UlI5lcOMbIm8D2P5giOkMclEUrP1bHWPd9IxhrrFeLYhSkY+8 TxGFiKN3i9dFQaMkqXm6BEzZPgnQ6DdIFwQpiU4RddOMEmzow2InOIUtM 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmAGAF/ykVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABXA4JkdFiDBsBUghsMhXACHIEbAQEBAQF9hAwBAQEDAQEBARoXOgYFBQsCAQYCDgoEIwUCAh8GCxQRAgQOBQmIDwMJCAEMoXicYgiQVg2FSwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReBHYwtCYE9EQEdGAsQBxGCUzKBEwWOCIM+gUCCL4FDgQswgjGCMYM1ghuCG4M4IoIwgTxvAQEBgQmBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,596,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="278064498" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 21:17:11 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com [173.37.183.80]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBHLH98K031089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:17:10 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([fe80::8c1c:7b85:56de:ffd1]) by xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([173.37.183.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:17:09 -0600 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Donald Eastlake Thread-Topic: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) Thread-Index: AdAY5SooRfNJXPHNRVCmtGUaR/Cy1AAjooaAACTIfgAAEcFzAAABcIKAAAafmgD//6FoUQ== Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: <5CE373E9-FE8B-4440-BA7F-5B8CFAEF6AB6@cisco.com> References: <09e501d018e5$8d8f4aa0$a8addfe0$@ndzh.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lime/6zK66Fg7h2g2qKM23vo913YYQMg Cc: "lime@ietf.org" , Qin Wu , "trill@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12/30/2014) X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." 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Hi, Deepak= :

Additional= comments from my side:

1.       Ab= stract

The refere= nce [TRILLOAMPM] doesn=A1=AFt exist, suggest to remove it or reference to R= FC7174.

2.       Ab= stract

Is= this model a extension to TRILL OAM YANG model or Generic YANG model provi= ded by [GENYANGOAM]?

3.       Introduction section, last paragraph said the model is defined by defining= the YANG model in [GENYANGOAM], the abstract said

Th= is model defined in this document extends from TRILL OAM YANG model, which = one is correct, please make sure the consistency between texts in different= places.

 

4.       In= troduction section

Th= is reference [TRILLOAMFM] is outdated, are you referred to RFC7174? Also th= is referenced is missed in the references section.

The [TRILL= OAMPM] doesn=A1=AFt exist

 

5.       Section 4.4

Ho= w is grouping statements in the second paragraph are related to rpc command= ? It seems the second paragraph in the section 4.4 is disconnected from the= first paragraph and the last paragraph?

 

6.       Section 4 said, the 1st paragraph said:

= =A1=B0

TRILL OAM PM Yang is extende=
d to augment MEP Configuration with
Performance Management confi=
guration and statistics for Delay
Measurement and Performance =
Measurement.

= =A1=B1

Wh= at is extended? TRILL OAM PM YANG or TRILL OAM YANG?

 

7.= Section 4 TRILL PM data hierarchy

 = ;

The sectio= n number should be section 5.

 = ;

Regards!

-Qin<= /o:p>

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lime [m= ailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA= =B1=ED Deepak Kumar (dekumar)
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA12=D4=C217=C8=D5 0:16
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); Susan Hares
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Donald Eastlake; trill@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org; jon.hudson@gmail.com
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12/15/2014 to 12= /30/2014)

 

Thanks for c= omments. I will fix them and submit new version of draft for review.

 <= /o:p>

Thanks,=

Deepak<= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

From: "Carlos Pignataro (= cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.co= m>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:03 AM
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.c= om>
Cc: "d3e3e3@gmail.com&q= uot; <d3e3e3@gmail.com>, &quo= t;jon.hudson@gmail.com" &l= t;jon.hudson@gmail.com>, "lime@ietf.org" <lime@ietf.org>, "trill@ietf.org" <trill@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Lime] Adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm (12= /15/2014 to 12/30/2014)

 <= /o:p>

Sue, Jon,

 <= /o:p>

I have a few= concerns with this document:

  • The Abstract says =A1=B0It extends Yang Data Mo= del for TRILL OAM [TRILLOAMYANG]=A1=B1, however, [TRILLOAMYANG] is lis= ted as an Informative reference =A1=AA I believe it should be Normative (al= l the definitions are coming from it, and this doc extends that model) =
    • It seems the same issue exists with draft-= ietf-trill-yang-oam and [GENYANGOAM], which should be Normative there.=
    • By the way, a nit as well (the Abstract include= s citations).
    • This severely detracts from readability.

 <= /o:p>

I believe th= ese are blocking for adoption.

 <= /o:p>

Thanks,=

 <= /o:p>

Carlos.=

 <= /o:p>

On Dec 15, 2= 014, at 11:05 PM, Susan Hares <shares= @ndzh.com> wrote:

 <= /o:p>

This begins = a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-deepak-trill-yang-pm-00 which can be fo= und at:

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

This draft w= ill be reviewed along with other yang modules at the 12/17/2014 interim of = trill held from 9-10pm ET (6-7pm PT, 10-11am Beijing on 12/18/2014).  In your review, please indicate the following:  a) if this yang= module provides information necessary to manage or monitor TRILL, and b) if you support adoption this work into the TRILL WG.

 <= /o:p>

Sue Hares an= d Jon Hudson

Co-chairs

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

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