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Hi Yuji,

Inline +++DK:

On 6/23/15, 11:54 PM, "Yuji Tochio" <tochio@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>The authors of draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model asked for comments to the
>authors of draft-lam-lime-summary-l0-l2-layer-independent.
>So far, I, as a co-author of draft-lam..., have collected comments among
>us and here are attached the comments as below.
>
>I hope the comments will contribute the progress of
>draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model.
>
>
>Regards,
>Yuji
>
>------
>Comments
>
>1. Common OAM architecture
>
>This document defines the relationship of different OAM YANG model that
>covers MPLS, IP, NVO3, TRILL and so on. But there seems to be no Common
>OAM architecture=20
>for them, but the common OAM architecture in this draft adapts those for
>Ethernet (IEEE802.1Q and ITU-T G.8013/Y.1731) or MPLS-TP (RFC 6371).
>Given that this draft covers only Ethernet and MPLS-TP OAM, it would not
>have any issues. But how about other technologies like IP or (IP/)MPLS?
>Do they use the=20
>architecture same as Ethernet or MPLS-TP?


+++DK:=20

We discussed in the LIME Design team meeting, Testing point, fault domain,
technology type, addressing, etc are common elements. MEP is implicit in
IP.
In various architectures for different OAM technologies. In addition,
RFC7276 also gives a summary of common OAM functions used in OAM-related
standards.
Here what we are doing is to adopt OAM concepts defined for Ethernet or
MPLS-TP architecture
and represent these common elements using some kind of technology
independent template.
CFM model is a good basis to define such template, we extend it to a
technology independent framework.
That is to say, different OAM technologies share the same OAM concept and
can therefore be consolidated into technology independent framework.
"


>
>
>2. Common tools for OAM
>
>The current draft only describes based on Ethernet CCM so that all the
>parameters in the draft come basically from those for configuring MEPs of
>Ethernet (and=20
>some for IPv4 and IPv6).
>For the definition of Generic OAM, it is required to describe what kind
>of the tool sets are considered in this draft.
>The good example is in Table 7-1 of ITU-T G.8113.2.

+++DK:
Good point, we will add table from RFC7276 and model it like Table 7-1.

>
>
>3. Configuration data structure for MEP (section 4.3)
>
>Reading MEP in ietf-gen-oam, the MEP is regarded as bidirectional end
>point that includes both generation process and reception process.
>ITU-T G.8052 (or ONF work for OAM) defines MEP that includes generation
>process and reception process (i.e. Source and Sink).
>In fact, Ethernet CCM works as one-way (called Dual-ended) so that the
>clear distinction for MEP source and sink is defined in G.8052.
>This draft should be consider MEP source and sink.
>Also co-located sink MEP in case of a bi-directional connection should be
>considered.

+++DK:We can update it with source and sink information.
>
>
>4. Output in rpcs
>Output in rpcs includes performance monitoring (i.e Delay measurement,
>Loss measurement)related configuration data, But it looks as a part of CC
>and CV=20
>functionalities.
>As seen in ITU-T G.8013 (DM, LM, and Synthetic LM) and PM for Trill OAM,
>the output (PM related configuration data) should be regarded in more
>generic way.
>BTW, the YANG for the output says:
>
>     output {
>       uses monitor-stats {
>         description
>           "Stats of continuity check is same as that of
>            monitor sessions";
>       }
>     }
>   }
>
>
>What does mean by "Stats of continuity check is same as that of monitor
>sessions"?

+++DK: We can fix this description with better wording.
=20

>
>
>5. Defect type
>
>It describes as:
>    notifications:
>       +---n defect-condition-notification
>          +--ro technology          identityref
>:
>          +--ro defect-type?        identityref
>
>The authors are interested in what kind of types are in for defect-type.
>In general, like section 4.4 (rpc), it is expected that the
>detailed/clarified section for notification is added.

+++DK: Okay we will do the changes in next revision.


>
>
>6. Comments on Introduction (Section 1)
>
>Three comments:
>
>(1) Three bullets should be updated as:
>1.  monitor networks --> 1. monitor connections
>2. isolation --> localization
>3. measure performance --> 3. monitor performance (loss, delay).
>
>(2) "The YANG data model presented in this document occurs at the
>management layer."
>should this be:
>"The YANG data model presented in this document exists at themanagement
>layer."
>
>(3) The sentence in the last paragraph "This ability to go up and down to
>different layers" is not a good description for "nesting".

+++DK: Ok.

>
>
>7. Comment on Terminology (Section 2.1)
>
>Since the model is based on IEEE802.1Q, the expansion for MEP and MIP
>should follow IEEE802.1Q.


+++DK: Ok.
>
>
>8. Comments on Overview of the OAM Model (Section 4)
>
>Three comments:
>
>(1) What is a "parallel vertical"?
>(2) What is "rpc"? (expansion is missing) And note that both rpc and RPC
>is used throughout the draft.
>(3) The sentence "Under each MA, there can be two or more MEPs "implies
>that the two MEPs are the source and sink of a connection, Does this mean
>that for a=20
>bi-directional (transport) connection there are two MAs?

+++DK: Okay.
>
>
>9. Comment on OAM data hierarchy (Section 4.5)
>
>It is suggested to move the first part (from:  The following notations"
>until "leafs and leaf-lists ") to the front of section 4, because the
>notation is also=20
>used in sections 4.1... 4.4.

+++DK: Ok.

Thanks,
Deepak
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Qin,<br>
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      Please see my response in-line [Huub]<br>
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                Lime [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
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                van Helvoort<br>
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                2015</span><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">年<span
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                  lang="EN-US"> 16:24<br>
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                </span><b>主题<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> Re: [Lime] Comments on
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All,<br>
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              Some additional remarks on
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              In the introduction section:<br>
              1.  monitor networks --&gt; 1. monitor connections<br>
              this because actually the connections in the network are
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              lang="EN-US">[Qin]:My understanding is besides monitoring
              connections, we also need to keep track of connectionless
              network to provide consistent reporting, representation
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    [Huub] IMHO it will be extremely difficult to monitor a whole
    network<br>
    using OAM. <br>
    AFAIK there does not exist OAM for connectionless technologies.<br>
    The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network is<br>
    monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.<br>
    However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the network.<br>
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    Best regards, Huub.<br>
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Below with [PTT].

Tom Taylor

On 02/07/2015 11:16 AM, Huub van Helvoort wrote:
> Hello Qin,
>
> Please see my response in-line [Huub]
>
> you wrote:
>> IEEE Std 802.1Q™-2011, IEEE Standard for Local and metropolitan area
>> networks—Media Access Control (MAC) Bridges and Virtual Bridged Local
>> Area Networks
>>
>> Huub:
>>
>> Thanks for your valuable comments.
>>
>> *发件人:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *代 表 *Huub van Helvoort
>> *发 送时间:*2015年6月27日16:24
>> *收件人:*lime@ietf.org
>> *主题:*Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Some additional remarks on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>>
>> In the introduction section:
>> 1.  monitor networks --> 1. monitor connections
>> this because actually the connections in the network are monitored.
>>
>> [Qin]:My understanding is besides monitoring connections, we also need
>> to keep track of connectionless network to provide consistent
>> reporting, representation when
>>
>> We deal with both connection oriented network and connectionless
>> network for the end to end path.
>>
> [Huub] IMHO it will be extremely difficult to monitor a whole network
> using OAM.
> AFAIK there does not exist OAM for connectionless technologies.
> The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network is
> monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.
> However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the network.
>
> Best regards, Huub.
...
[PTT] This is a matter of words, not substance, I think. Huub, you 
accept, I'm sure, that traceroute and ping test end-to-end reachability. 
Performance monitoring tools do the same in a connectionless network as 
well as a connected one.

[PTT] So what we have is reachability monitoring rather than 
connectivity monitoring, since there is no connection in a 
connectionless network.


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This thread is bringing out some good issues. The first is a language 
issue, the second an architectural one.

Regarding language: I'm wondering if we could take a pragmatic 
functional approach to our use of terminology. The general principle 
would be to define the functions invoked by CC, CV, etc. without 
actually spelling those acronyms out. Then create a table mapping the 
functions to technology-specific functions. The table would be part of 
the applicability document.

The architectural issue is how to invoke the functions for each 
technology-specific segment making up a complete path. One way is for 
the management system to do a separate invocation at each MEP along the 
path. The other way, possibly a violation of principle but possibly not, 
is for each MEP to relay the abstract (LIME) request to its successor 
along the path, protocol TBD.

Comments?

Tom Taylor

On 03/07/2015 12:34 AM, Qin Wu wrote:
> Hi, Huub:
> 发件人: Huub van Helvoort [mailto:huubatwork@gmail.com]
> 发送时间: 2015年7月2日 23:16
> 收件人: Qin Wu; lime@ietf.org
> 主题: Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>
> Hello Qin,
>
> Please see my response in-line [Huub]
>
> you wrote:
> Huub:
> Thanks for your valuable comments.
>
> 发件人: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] 代 表 Huub van Helvoort
> 发 送时间: 2015年6月27日 16:24
> 收件人: lime@ietf.org<mailto:lime@ietf.org>
> 主题: Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>
> All,
>
> Some additional remarks on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>
> In the introduction section:
> 1.  monitor networks --> 1. monitor connections
> this because actually the connections in the network are monitored.
>
>
> [Qin]:My understanding is besides monitoring connections, we also need to keep track of connectionless network to provide consistent reporting, representation when
> We deal with both connection oriented network and connectionless network for the end to end path.
> [Huub] IMHO it will be extremely difficult to monitor a whole network
> using OAM.
>
> [Qin]: suppose end to end path spans across multiple layer with each layer corresponding to each segment of the whole network
> by respecting OAM layer boundary, we can gather OAM information including fault, performance info, trouble shooting result from each layer,
> Stitching together in the management plane layer and form end to end view of OAM visibility for the whole network. Since each layer OAM is using
> Similar template for consistent reporting the OAM data, stitching them to form end to end view will be more easy.
>
> AFAIK there does not exist OAM for connectionless technologies.
> The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network is
> monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.
> However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the network.
>
> [Qin]: I believe we are probably talking about the same thing but use the different terminologies.:-)
> Let’s see how to fix this.
>
> Best regards, Huub.
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Below, with [PTT]

On 03/07/2015 4:28 AM, Qin Wu wrote:
> -----邮件原件----- 发件人: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] 发送时
> 间: 2015年7月3日 16:08 收件人: Qin Wu; huubatwork@gmail.com; lime@ietf.org 主
> 题: Language and architectural issues (was Re: [Lime] Comments on
> draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05)
>
> This thread is bringing out some good issues. The first is a language
> issue, the second an architectural one.
>
> Regarding language: I'm wondering if we could take a pragmatic
> functional approach to our use of terminology. The general principle
> would be to define the functions invoked by CC, CV, etc. without
> actually spelling those acronyms out.
>
> [Qin]: I get a little bit confused when you are saying define the
> function invoked by CC,CV. CC,CV are also functions or command
> invoked by management system, the management system issues the OAM
> command to the device in the data plane, the device is responsible
> for executing the command.

[PTT] I'm saying that the functions that are invoked by each of these 
need to be spelled out. For instance, as I said in a previous note, I 
would define CC as reachability verification. CV might be defined as 
hop-by-hop path characterization. PM can be defined as end-to-end path 
characterization (for delay, loss, jitter).
>
> Then create a table mapping the functions to technology-specific
> functions. The table would be part of the applicability document.
>
> [Qin]: That sounds good idea but it depends what are these functions?
> Are these functions like the table 4 of RFC7276?

[PTT] Yes, more or less.
>
> The architectural issue is how to invoke the functions for each
> technology-specific segment making up a complete path. One way is for
> the management system to do a separate invocation at each MEP along
> the path. The other way, possibly a violation of principle but
> possibly not, is for each MEP to relay the abstract (LIME) request to
> its successor along the path, protocol TBD.
>
> [Qin]: The second approach is related to cross layer data plane OAM,
> not sure this is in the scope of LIME since LIME is not aimed at
> developing any new OAM protocols. Unless this cross layer OAM
> protocol has already been standardized, I am not sure LIME model can
> take advantage of it.

[PTT] This isn't so much cross layer as cross technology, as I see it. 
In any event, we have the discovery problem. For every pair of 
endpoints, either the management system has to discover all of the MEPs 
along the way (which takes some sort of protocol) or we can use the 
second approach. In any event, the management system has to find the 
first MEP in a given path. I don't see how we can escape the need for 
protocol development. The organizational issue is another matter.
>
> Comments?
>
> Tom Taylor
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I think the command-sub-type identity is slightly mis-aimed. This is 
actually a tool selector, where the RPCs are function selectors. That 
is, the so-called sub-type is actually somewhat orthogonal to the 
command itself. As a concrete example, looking at Table 4 of RFC 7276, a 
tool selector is clearly needed for the CV function for pseudowire OAM. 
In the other direction, BFD can be used for multiple functions.

This is probably just a matter of terminology, but I would be happier if 
the identity were named "command-tool-selector" or the like. What 
provoked my uneasiness in the first place was a concern that the 
"generic" model was getting enmeshed in technology-specific concerns. 
The tools are somewhat technology-independent in this sense.

Tom Taylor


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Hello Tom,

Thank you for your response.

See my answers below [Huub2]
> Below with [PTT].
>
> Tom Taylor
>
> On 02/07/2015 11:16 AM, Huub van Helvoort wrote:
>> Hello Qin,
>>
>> Please see my response in-line [Huub]
>>
>> you wrote:
>>> IEEE Std 802.1Q™-2011, IEEE Standard for Local and metropolitan area
>>> networks—Media Access Control (MAC) Bridges and Virtual Bridged Local
>>> Area Networks
>>>
>>> Huub:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your valuable comments.
>>>
>>> *发件人:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *代 表 *Huub van Helvoort
>>> *发 送时间:*2015年6月27日16:24
>>> *收件人:*lime@ietf.org
>>> *主题:*Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Some additional remarks on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>>>
>>> In the introduction section:
>>> 1.  monitor networks --> 1. monitor connections
>>> this because actually the connections in the network are monitored.
>>>
>>> [Qin]:My understanding is besides monitoring connections, we also need
>>> to keep track of connectionless network to provide consistent
>>> reporting, representation when
>>>
>>> We deal with both connection oriented network and connectionless
>>> network for the end to end path.
>>>
>> [Huub] IMHO it will be extremely difficult to monitor a whole network
>> using OAM.
>> AFAIK there does not exist OAM for connectionless technologies.
>> The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network is
>> monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.
>> However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the network.
>>
>> Best regards, Huub.
> ...
> [PTT] This is a matter of words, not substance, I think. Huub, you 
> accept, I'm sure, that traceroute and ping test end-to-end 
> reachability. Performance monitoring tools do the same in a 
> connectionless network as well as a connected one.
[Huub2] Ping and traceroute are diagnostic tools used for fault 
localisation and used
on-demand. Monitoring, especially for availability is pro-active.
> [PTT] So what we have is reachability monitoring rather than 
> connectivity monitoring, since there is no connection in a 
> connectionless network.
[Huub2] OK, I agree that "reachability monitoring" is a better term

Cheers, Huub.



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                In the introduction section:<br>
                1.  monitor networks --&gt; 1. monitor connections<br>
                this because actually the connections in the network are
                monitored.<br>
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                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                monitoring connections, we also need to keep track of
                connectionless network to provide consistent reporting,
                representation when</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                path.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            of the whole network<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            OAM information including fault, performance info, trouble
            shooting result from each layer,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            layer and form end to end view of OAM visibility for the
            whole network. Since each layer OAM is using
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Similar template for consistent reporting the
            OAM data, stitching them to form end to end view will be
            more easy.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    [Huub2] even if an end-to-end connection traverses multiple layers,
    the OAM of<br>
    the layer in which the e-2-e connection is made will provide all
    connectivity and<br>
    PM required. No stiching is required.<br>
    One only has to go down to the lower layers for fault localisation
    and diagnostics.<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA847657A8@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">AFAIK there does not
            exist OAM for connectionless technologies.<br>
            The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network
            is<br>
            monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.<br>
            However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the
            network.<br>
            <br>
          </span><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">[Qin]: I believe we are probably talking about
            the same thing but use the different terminologies.:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Let’s see how to fix this.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    [Huub2] please see my response to Tom Taylor.<br>
    <br>
    Best regards, Huub.<br>
    <br>
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Could we have 10 minutes for the applicability statement: 
draft-zhuang-lime-yang-oam-model-applicability-00.txt?

On 06/07/2015 11:32 AM, Ronald Bonica wrote:
> Folks,
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> If you have anything that you would like to discuss at IETF 93, please send a request to Carlos and me.
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> We only have a 1 hour slot and I suspect that most of that will be consumed by the YANG model. So, there isn't much time available on the agenda.
>
> Ron Bonica
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Hi Deepak, et. al,
apologies for being late to the discussion and thus I may be repeating argu=
ments. There's one important point I'd like to make:
	LIME charter is to create OAM data model, not to create OAM. IP and IP/MPL=
S OAM has its toolset and its model which are substantially different from =
those of Ethernet and/or MPLS-TP. And that was one the main statements reac=
hed and agreed upon by the DT and presented to the WG.

	Regards,
		Greg

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Hi Yuji,

Inline +++DK:

On 6/23/15, 11:54 PM, "Yuji Tochio" <tochio@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>The authors of draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model asked for comments to=20
>the authors of draft-lam-lime-summary-l0-l2-layer-independent.
>So far, I, as a co-author of draft-lam..., have collected comments=20
>among us and here are attached the comments as below.
>
>I hope the comments will contribute the progress of=20
>draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model.
>
>
>Regards,
>Yuji
>
>------
>Comments
>
>1. Common OAM architecture
>
>This document defines the relationship of different OAM YANG model that=20
>covers MPLS, IP, NVO3, TRILL and so on. But there seems to be no Common=20
>OAM architecture for them, but the common OAM architecture in this=20
>draft adapts those for Ethernet (IEEE802.1Q and ITU-T G.8013/Y.1731) or=20
>MPLS-TP (RFC 6371).
>Given that this draft covers only Ethernet and MPLS-TP OAM, it would=20
>not have any issues. But how about other technologies like IP or (IP/)MPLS=
?
>Do they use the
>architecture same as Ethernet or MPLS-TP?


+++DK:=20

We discussed in the LIME Design team meeting, Testing point, fault domain, =
technology type, addressing, etc are common elements. MEP is implicit in IP=
.
In various architectures for different OAM technologies. In addition,
RFC7276 also gives a summary of common OAM functions used in OAM-related st=
andards.
Here what we are doing is to adopt OAM concepts defined for Ethernet or MPL=
S-TP architecture and represent these common elements using some kind of te=
chnology independent template.
CFM model is a good basis to define such template, we extend it to a techno=
logy independent framework.
That is to say, different OAM technologies share the same OAM concept and c=
an therefore be consolidated into technology independent framework.
"


>
>
>2. Common tools for OAM
>
>The current draft only describes based on Ethernet CCM so that all the=20
>parameters in the draft come basically from those for configuring MEPs=20
>of Ethernet (and some for IPv4 and IPv6).
>For the definition of Generic OAM, it is required to describe what kind=20
>of the tool sets are considered in this draft.
>The good example is in Table 7-1 of ITU-T G.8113.2.

+++DK:
Good point, we will add table from RFC7276 and model it like Table 7-1.

>
>
>3. Configuration data structure for MEP (section 4.3)
>
>Reading MEP in ietf-gen-oam, the MEP is regarded as bidirectional end=20
>point that includes both generation process and reception process.
>ITU-T G.8052 (or ONF work for OAM) defines MEP that includes generation=20
>process and reception process (i.e. Source and Sink).
>In fact, Ethernet CCM works as one-way (called Dual-ended) so that the=20
>clear distinction for MEP source and sink is defined in G.8052.
>This draft should be consider MEP source and sink.
>Also co-located sink MEP in case of a bi-directional connection should=20
>be considered.

+++DK:We can update it with source and sink information.
>
>
>4. Output in rpcs
>Output in rpcs includes performance monitoring (i.e Delay measurement,=20
>Loss measurement)related configuration data, But it looks as a part of=20
>CC and CV functionalities.
>As seen in ITU-T G.8013 (DM, LM, and Synthetic LM) and PM for Trill=20
>OAM, the output (PM related configuration data) should be regarded in=20
>more generic way.
>BTW, the YANG for the output says:
>
>     output {
>       uses monitor-stats {
>         description
>           "Stats of continuity check is same as that of
>            monitor sessions";
>       }
>     }
>   }
>
>
>What does mean by "Stats of continuity check is same as that of monitor=20
>sessions"?

+++DK: We can fix this description with better wording.
=20

>
>
>5. Defect type
>
>It describes as:
>    notifications:
>       +---n defect-condition-notification
>          +--ro technology          identityref
>:
>          +--ro defect-type?        identityref
>
>The authors are interested in what kind of types are in for defect-type.
>In general, like section 4.4 (rpc), it is expected that the=20
>detailed/clarified section for notification is added.

+++DK: Okay we will do the changes in next revision.


>
>
>6. Comments on Introduction (Section 1)
>
>Three comments:
>
>(1) Three bullets should be updated as:
>1.  monitor networks --> 1. monitor connections 2. isolation -->=20
>localization 3. measure performance --> 3. monitor performance (loss,=20
>delay).
>
>(2) "The YANG data model presented in this document occurs at the=20
>management layer."
>should this be:
>"The YANG data model presented in this document exists at themanagement=20
>layer."
>
>(3) The sentence in the last paragraph "This ability to go up and down=20
>to different layers" is not a good description for "nesting".

+++DK: Ok.

>
>
>7. Comment on Terminology (Section 2.1)
>
>Since the model is based on IEEE802.1Q, the expansion for MEP and MIP=20
>should follow IEEE802.1Q.


+++DK: Ok.
>
>
>8. Comments on Overview of the OAM Model (Section 4)
>
>Three comments:
>
>(1) What is a "parallel vertical"?
>(2) What is "rpc"? (expansion is missing) And note that both rpc and=20
>RPC is used throughout the draft.
>(3) The sentence "Under each MA, there can be two or more MEPs "implies=20
>that the two MEPs are the source and sink of a connection, Does this=20
>mean that for a bi-directional (transport) connection there are two=20
>MAs?

+++DK: Okay.
>
>
>9. Comment on OAM data hierarchy (Section 4.5)
>
>It is suggested to move the first part (from:  The following notations"
>until "leafs and leaf-lists ") to the front of section 4, because the=20
>notation is also used in sections 4.1... 4.4.

+++DK: Ok.

Thanks,
Deepak
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Qin,<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">AFAIK there does not
            exist OAM for connectionless technologies.<br>
            The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network
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            monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.<br>
            However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the
            network.<br>
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            lang="EN-US">[Qin]: I see your point, I will also call this
            connection as something like pipe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US">The links/sections need to be part of
            connection. Nodes in the network that are not in the
            connections don’t need to be monitored.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    [Huub3] sorry, but I have to disagree: in a connectionLESS network<br>
    there are no connections nor pipes (in the connectionless layer).<br>
    Every packet has to find its own way through the network from source
    <br>
    to destination. This means it can pass any link/section in the
    network.<br>
    And following your reasoning every node in the network has to be<br>
    monitored.<br>
    As Tom Taylor explained only the reachability can be verified in<br>
    connectionless networks.<br>
    <br>
    Best regards, Huub.<br>
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I think I see the point: the MEG for an IP route would have to include 
all the routers that could potentially participate in that route. We 
should probably restrict our attention to the end points (MEPs), since 
that is where we would direct our operational requests.

Again: the basic functions seem to be reachability checking/verification 
(I still don't understand the difference between the two), hop-by-hop 
path characterization, and end-to-end path characterization (PM). The 
tools to achieve these functions vary with the transport technology.

By "layer at a given point" I understand a transport-technology-specific 
segment supporting an end-to-end network path. The segments are bounded 
by MEPs. As we all know, there can be link layers on top of other link 
layers, link layers on top of network layers, network layers on top of 
link layers, and network layers on top of other network layers. At 
different points along the network path the stack (i.e., set of 
supporting layers) can vary. Hence localization is critical so that the 
proper set of segments is probed as follow-up. Is this architectural 
view shared by everyone?

Tom Taylor

On 07/07/2015 12:52 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> Hi Huub,
>
> I agree, on most part, with your observation that when we instantiate
> OAM in connectionless network we implicitly define a connection. I think
> that in connectionless network we’re monitoring not a connection but a
> route, continuity between two end-points, rather than connectivity of
> them as there’s no notion of MEG in connectionless networks. And MEG is
> the basic, key element of CO network OAM itself and its data model.
>
>                  Regards,
>
>                                  Greg
>
> *From:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Huub van Helvoort
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 8:16 AM
> *To:* Qin Wu; lime@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>
> Hello Qin,
>
> Please see my response in-line [Huub]
>
> you wrote:
>
>     Huub:
>
>     Thanks for your valuable comments.
>
>     *发件人:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *代 表 *Huub van Helvoort
>     *发 送时间:* 2015年6月27日 16:24
>     *收件人:* lime@ietf.org <mailto:lime@ietf.org>
>     *主题:* Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>
>     All,
>
>     Some additional remarks on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>
>     In the introduction section:
>     1.  monitor networks --> 1. monitor connections
>     this because actually the connections in the network are monitored.
>
>
>     [Qin]:My understanding is besides monitoring connections, we also
>     need to keep track of connectionless network to provide consistent
>     reporting, representation when
>
>     We deal with both connection oriented network and connectionless
>     network for the end to end path.
>
> [Huub] IMHO it will be extremely difficult to monitor a whole network
> using OAM.
> AFAIK there does not exist OAM for connectionless technologies.
> The only thing that can be done in a connectionless network is
> monitor the links/sections between the network nodes.
> However, that you are monitoring connections again, not the network.
>
> Best regards, Huub.
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Hello Qin,

Please see in-line [Huub]

Regards, Huub.

> -----邮件原件-----
> 发件人: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com]
> 发送时间: 2015年7月8日 7:29
> 收件人: Gregory Mirsky; huubatwork@gmail.com; Qin Wu; lime@ietf.org
> 主题: Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
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> I think I see the point: the MEG for an IP route would have to include all the routers that could potentially participate in that route. We should probably restrict our attention to the end points (MEPs), since that is where we would direct our operational requests.
>
> [Qin]:Yes, that concurs what I replied to Huub.
>
> Again: the basic functions seem to be reachability checking/verification (I still don't understand the difference between the two), hop-by-hop path characterization, and end-to-end path characterization (PM). The tools to achieve these functions vary with the transport technology.
>
> [Qin]: I think the basic functions should also include path verification. Path verification decides which path should be traversed when network node A talk to B.
[Huub] which path shall be verified? In connectionless there is not "the 
path" or do
you mean to verify all potential paths that participate in the transport?

> By "layer at a given point" I understand a transport-technology-specific segment supporting an end-to-end network path. The segments are bounded by MEPs.
>
> [Qin]: Yes.
>
> As we all know, there can be link layers on top of other link layers, link layers on top of network layers, network layers on top of link layers, and network layers on top of other network layers. At different points along the network path the stack (i.e., set of supporting layers) can vary. Hence localization is critical so that the proper set of segments is probed as follow-up. Is this architectural view shared by everyone?
>
>
> [Qin]: close to what I thought, usually we localize fault, defect at even lower layer.

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In line with [PTT].

On 13/07/2015 6:05 AM, Qin Wu wrote:
> -----邮件原件-----
> 发件人: Huub van Helvoort [mailto:huubatwork@gmail.com]
> 发送时间: 2015年7月13日 17:50
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> Please see in-line [Huub]
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>> 发件人: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com]
>> 发送时间: 2015年7月8日 7:29
>> 收件人: Gregory Mirsky; huubatwork@gmail.com; Qin Wu; lime@ietf.org
>> 主题: Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>>
...

>>
>> Again: the basic functions seem to be reachability checking/verification (I still don't understand the difference between the two), hop-by-hop path characterization, and end-to-end path characterization (PM). The tools to achieve these functions vary with the transport technology.
>>
>> [Qin]: I think the basic functions should also include path verification. Path verification decides which path should be traversed when network node A talk to B.
> [Huub] which path shall be verified? In connectionless there is not "the path" or do you mean to verify all potential paths that participate in the transport?
>
> [Qin]: I am not saying path need to be verified in the connectionless network. path verification is optional feature in the base model.
> As we discussed earlier, you only need to do reachability checking/verification in the connectionless network, you don't need to exercise all potential paths which add a lot of complexity,
> We should respect limitation of the existing OAM tool for connectionless network.
>

[PTT]The existing tools can do hop-by-hop path characterization just 
fine, connection-oriented or connectionless. No tool can do verification 
-- that has to happen at the management system, which can compare the 
results of path characterization with expected results. As an example, 
the management system can identify a tracert hop with unexpectedly high 
delay.

...


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Hello Qin,

Thank you for the clarification.
I think we are on the same track now.

BR, Huub.

> -----邮件原件-----
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> Hello Qin,
>
> Please see in-line [Huub]
>
> Regards, Huub.
>
>> -----邮件原件-----
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>> 发送时间: 2015年7月8日 7:29
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>> 主题: Re: [Lime] Comments on draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05
>>
>> I think I see the point: the MEG for an IP route would have to include all the routers that could potentially participate in that route. We should probably restrict our attention to the end points (MEPs), since that is where we would direct our operational requests.
>>
>> [Qin]:Yes, that concurs what I replied to Huub.
>>
>> Again: the basic functions seem to be reachability checking/verification (I still don't understand the difference between the two), hop-by-hop path characterization, and end-to-end path characterization (PM). The tools to achieve these functions vary with the transport technology.
>>
>> [Qin]: I think the basic functions should also include path verification. Path verification decides which path should be traversed when network node A talk to B.
> [Huub] which path shall be verified? In connectionless there is not "the path" or do you mean to verify all potential paths that participate in the transport?
>
> [Qin]: I am not saying path need to be verified in the connectionless network. path verification is optional feature in the base model.
> As we discussed earlier, you only need to do reachability checking/verification in the connectionless network, you don't need to exercise all potential paths which add a lot of complexity,
> We should respect limitation of the existing OAM tool for connectionless network.
>
>> By "layer at a given point" I understand a transport-technology-specific segment supporting an end-to-end network path. The segments are bounded by MEPs.
>>
>> [Qin]: Yes.
>>
>> As we all know, there can be link layers on top of other link layers, link layers on top of network layers, network layers on top of link layers, and network layers on top of other network layers. At different points along the network path the stack (i.e., set of supporting layers) can vary. Hence localization is critical so that the proper set of segments is probed as follow-up. Is this architectural view shared by everyone?
>>
>>
>> [Qin]: close to what I thought, usually we localize fault, defect at even lower layer.
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Dear authors,

 From https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt

    <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"

    module ietf-gen-oam {
   namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-gen-oam";
   prefix goam;

 From https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt

    <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"
    module ietf-trill-oam {
         namespace "urn:cisco:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-tril-oam";
         prefix trilloam;


The same file argument "ietf-gen-oam.yang" in two different document confuses the extraction tool.

 From https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt

        The "<CODE BEGINS>" tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying
        the file name specified in Section 5.2 of
        [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis].  The following example is for the
        '2010-01-18' revision of the 'ietf-foo' module:

          <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang"
            module ietf-foo {
              // ...
              revision 2010-01-18 {
                description "Latest revision";
                reference "RFC XXXX";
              }
              // ...
            }
          <CODE ENDS>

Please correct draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam

Regards, Benoit



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    Dear authors,<br>
    <br>
    From <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt</a><br>
    <pre>   &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"

   module ietf-gen-oam {
  namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-gen-oam";
  prefix goam;

>From <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt</a>

   &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"
   module ietf-trill-oam {
        namespace "urn:cisco:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-tril-oam";
        prefix trilloam;


The same file argument "ietf-gen-oam.yang" in two different document confuses the extraction tool.

>From <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt</a>
</pre>
    <blockquote>
      <pre>   The "&lt;CODE BEGINS&gt;" tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying
   the file name specified in Section 5.2 of
   [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis].  The following example is for the
   '2010-01-18' revision of the 'ietf-foo' module:

     &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang">"ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang"</a>
       module ietf-foo {
         // ...
         revision 2010-01-18 {
           description "Latest revision";
           reference "RFC XXXX";
         }
         // ...
       }
     &lt;CODE ENDS&gt;

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    Please correct draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam<br>
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    Regards, Benoit<br>
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Dear authors,

Regarding your draft: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model

pyang --ietf ietf-gen-oam.yang
ietf-gen-oam.yang:596: warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line length 
73 exceeds 70 characters

Limit a line to a column width of 70 to avoid errors such as these, 
"warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line length 72 exceeds 70 
characters". An example of how to address a line that exceeds 70 columns 
is as follows.

    path "/ipfix-app-info:class-id-dictionary/"

                               + "ipfix-app-info:class-id/ipfix-app-info:id"

Regards, Benoit


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Date: 	Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:52:56 +0200
From: 	Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
To: 	lime@ietf.org <lime@ietf.org>, 
draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam@tools.ietf.org



Dear authors,

 From https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt

    <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"

    module ietf-gen-oam {
   namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-gen-oam";
   prefix goam;

>Fromhttps://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt

    <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"
    module ietf-trill-oam {
         namespace "urn:cisco:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-tril-oam";
         prefix trilloam;


The same file argument "ietf-gen-oam.yang" in two different document confuses the extraction tool.

>Fromhttps://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt

        The "<CODE BEGINS>" tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying
        the file name specified in Section 5.2 of
        [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis].  The following example is for the
        '2010-01-18' revision of the 'ietf-foo' module:

          <CODE BEGINS> file"ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang"
            module ietf-foo {
              // ...
              revision 2010-01-18 {
                description "Latest revision";
                reference "RFC XXXX";
              }
              // ...
            }
          <CODE ENDS>

Please correct draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam

Regards, Benoit





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    Dear authors,<br>
    <br>
    Regarding your draft: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model<br>
    <br>
    pyang --ietf ietf-gen-oam.yang <br>
    ietf-gen-oam.yang:596: warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line
    length 73 exceeds 70 characters<br>
    <span style="color: #000000; font-size: medium; font-family: Times;"><br>
      Limit a line to a column width of 70 to avoid errors such as
      these, "<span style="color: #000000; font-family: Times;
        font-size: medium;">warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line
        length 72 exceeds 70 characters". An example of how to address a
        line that exceeds 70 columns is as follows.</span></span>
    <blockquote class="jive-quote">
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">path
          "/ipfix-app-info:class-id-dictionary/"</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">                          +
          "ipfix-app-info:class-id/ipfix-app-info:id"</span></p>
    </blockquote>
    <p style="min-height: 8pt; padding: 0px;">Regards, Benoit<br>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
            <td>Benoit Claise <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">&lt;bclaise@cisco.com&gt;</a></td>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lime@ietf.org">&lt;lime@ietf.org&gt;</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam@tools.ietf.org</a></td>
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      Dear authors,<br>
      <br>
      From <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt</a><br>
      <pre>   &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"

   module ietf-gen-oam {
  namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-gen-oam";
  prefix goam;

&gt;From <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt</a>

   &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file "ietf-gen-oam.yang"
   module ietf-trill-oam {
        namespace "urn:cisco:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-tril-oam";
        prefix trilloam;


The same file argument "ietf-gen-oam.yang" in two different document confuses the extraction tool.

&gt;From <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt</a>
</pre>
      <blockquote>
        <pre>   The "&lt;CODE BEGINS&gt;" tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying
   the file name specified in Section 5.2 of
   [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis].  The following example is for the
   '2010-01-18' revision of the 'ietf-foo' module:

     &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang">"ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang"</a>
       module ietf-foo {
         // ...
         revision 2010-01-18 {
           description "Latest revision";
           reference "RFC XXXX";
         }
         // ...
       }
     &lt;CODE ENDS&gt;

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      Please correct draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit<br>
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Hi,

At http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html, you can see the 
pyang errors associated with your draft.
Basically:

ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:5: error: module "gen-oam" not found in search path
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:712: warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line 
length 73 exceeds 70 characters
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:732: warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line 
length 73 exceeds 70 characters
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:740: warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line 
length 72 exceeds 70 characters
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:913: error: IETF rule (RFC 6087: 4.12): statement 
"container" must have a "description" substatement
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:939: error: IETF rule (RFC 6087: 4.12): statement 
"container" must have a "description" substatement
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:967: error: IETF rule (RFC 6087: 4.12): statement 
"container" must have a "description" substatement
ietf-gen-oam-pm.yang:995: error: IETF rule (RFC 6087: 4.12): statement 
"container" must have a "description" substatement

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Hi,
> (2) "The YANG data model presented in this document occurs at the 
> management layer."
I don't even understand what this sentence means.
What is the management layer?

Regards, Benoit
> should this be:
> "The YANG data model presented in this document exists at 
> themanagement layer."


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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I will update trill-yang-oam once draft submission is re-opened.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; fon=
t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks to get this=
 sort out, we will fix this in the next version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
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t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-Qin<o:p></o:p></s=
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>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext"> Lime [<a href=3D"mailto:l=
ime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">=B4=FA=B1=ED </=
span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">B=
enoit Claise<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=
=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext"> 2015</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;color:windowtext">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">7</span>=D4=C2<span la=
ng=3D"EN-US">14</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US">
 21:18<br>
</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org">
draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
</span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> <a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org">
lime@ietf.org</a><br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> [Lime] Fwd: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model and draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam=
 feedback<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear authors,<br>
<br>
Regarding your draft: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model<br>
<br>
pyang --ietf ietf-gen-oam.yang <br>
ietf-gen-oam.yang:596: warning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line length 73 =
exceeds 70 characters<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Times,=
 serif;"><br>
Limit a line to a column width of 70 to avoid errors such as these, &quot;w=
arning: IETF rule (RFC formatting): line length 72 exceeds 70 characters&qu=
ot;. An example of how to address a line that exceeds 70 columns is as foll=
ows.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span lang=3D"EN-US">path &quot;/ipfix-a=
pp-info:class-id-dictionary/&quot;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43; &quot;ipfix-=
app-info:class-id/ipfix-app-info:id&quot;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"min-height: 8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards, Benoit<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
-------- Forwarded Message -------- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model=
 and draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"right" style=3D"text-align:right"><b><span =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:52:56 &#43;=
0200<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=3D"EN-US">From:
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<td style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Benoit Claise <a href=3D"mailto=
:bclaise@cisco.com">
&lt;bclaise@cisco.com&gt;</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"right" style=3D"text-align:right"><b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">To:
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org=
">lime@ietf.org</a><a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org">&lt;lime@ietf.org&gt;</=
a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-tril=
l-yang-oam@tools.ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br>
Dear authors,<br>
<br>
>From <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.=
txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-05.txt</a><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file &quot;ietf-=
gen-oam.yang&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; module ietf-gen-oam {<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; namespace &quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yan=
g:ietf-gen-oam&quot;;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp; prefix goam;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;From <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft=
-ietf-trill-yang-oam-01.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-trill-yang-=
oam-01.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file &quot;ietf-=
gen-oam.yang&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; module ietf-trill-oam {<o:p></o:p></=
span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; namesp=
ace &quot;urn:cisco:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-tril-oam&quot;;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; prefix=
 trilloam;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">The same file argument &quot;ietf-gen-oam.yang&qu=
ot; in two different document confuses the extraction tool.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;From <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft=
-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-netmod-r=
fc6087bis-04.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; The &quot;&lt;CODE BEGINS&gt;&quot; =
tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; the file name specified in Section 5=
.2 of<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis].&nbsp; =
The following example is for the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; '2010-01-18' revision of the 'ietf-f=
oo' module:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;CODE BEGINS&gt; file=
 <a href=3D"mailto:ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang">&quot;ietf-foo@2010-01-18.yang=
&quot;</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; module ietf-=
foo {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
// ...<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
revision 2010-01-18 {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; description &quot;Latest revision&quot;;<o:p></o:p></span></pre=
>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;reference &quot;RFC XXXX&quot;;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
}<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
// ...<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }<o:p></o:p>=
</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;CODE ENDS&gt;<o:p></=
o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
Please correct draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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LIME,

Agenda and materials are posted, see you tomorrow Tuesday!

Meeting : IETF 93, Tuesday, July 21 2015 17:40.

     Location: Prague, Czech Republic
     Room    : Karlin I/II
     Chairs  : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>, Carlos Pignataro =
cpignata@cisco.com
     Jabber  : lime@jabber.ietf.org
     URL     : http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/lime/charter/

http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/materials.html#ops =
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Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos & Ron.

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class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Chairs &nbsp;: Ron Bonica &lt;<a =
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This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG chairs at the
end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat here:

My understanding is that MEF have already published a standard CFM YANG
model (MEF 38 - https://www.*mef*.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/
*MEF*_*38*.pdf).

Hence I was wondering whether there had been any consideration as to
whether it will be necessary to update the MEF model to be compatible with
the LIME model, and whether there has been or needs to be any engagement
with MEF concerning this?

Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor the MEF CFM Yang
model!

Thanks,
Rob

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<p dir=3D"ltr">This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG c=
hairs at the end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat here:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">My understanding is that MEF have already published a standa=
rd CFM YANG model (MEF 38 - <a href=3D"https://www">https://www</a>.<b>mef<=
/b>.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/<b>MEF</b>_<b>38</b>.pdf).=C2=
=A0 </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Hence I was wondering whether there had been any considerati=
on as to whether it will be necessary to update the MEF model to be compati=
ble with the LIME model, and whether there has been or needs to be any enga=
gement with MEF concerning this?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Quick disclaimer: I&#39;ve not read either the LIME draft no=
r the MEF CFM Yang model!</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,<br>
Rob</p>

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Thread-Topic: [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model
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That's useful info Dan. Thanks

Regard, Benoit
>
> The MEF YANG models in MEF 38  date two-three years back. They are 
> outdated and not aligned with the YANG evolution since. MEF has a new 
> YANG project  talk with Mahesh.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
> *From:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert Wilton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49 AM
> *To:* lime@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model
>
> This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG chairs at 
> the end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat here:
>
> My understanding is that MEF have already published a standard CFM 
> YANG model (MEF 38 - https://www 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www&d=AwMFaQ&c=BFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=I4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=1U6Z6mTAfMUs8VxcdFiC1evReHrAH1FwTxbPojlaMQQ&s=I-U64Plcoxsiz0fhj80tAt16iiEtty7vWVWCBe-ybSk&e=>.*mef*.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/*MEF*_*38*.pdf). 
>
>
> Hence I was wondering whether there had been any consideration as to 
> whether it will be necessary to update the MEF model to be compatible 
> with the LIME model, and whether there has been or needs to be any 
> engagement with MEF concerning this?
>
> Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor the MEF CFM 
> Yang model!
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's useful info Dan. Thanks<br>
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            MEF YANG models in MEF 38 date two-three years back. They
            are outdated and not aligned with the YANG evolution since.
            MEF has a new YANG project  talk with Mahesh. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  Lime [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Wilton<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p>This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG
            chairs at the end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat
            here:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>My understanding is that MEF have already published a
            standard CFM YANG model (MEF 38 -
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www&amp;d=AwMFaQ&amp;c=BFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&amp;r=I4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&amp;m=1U6Z6mTAfMUs8VxcdFiC1evReHrAH1FwTxbPojlaMQQ&amp;s=I-U64Plcoxsiz0fhj80tAt16iiEtty7vWVWCBe-ybSk&amp;e=">https://www</a>.<b>mef</b>.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/<b>MEF</b>_<b>38</b>.pdf).
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          <p>Hence I was wondering whether there had been any
            consideration as to whether it will be necessary to update
            the MEF model to be compatible with the LIME model, and
            whether there has been or needs to be any engagement with
            MEF concerning this?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor
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Hi Dan,

You are correct that MEF has a new YANG project that Mahesh is leading, 
however revising MEF38 and MEF39 is explicitly out of scope for that 
project in MEF.


     David


On 23/07/15 13:13, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
>
> The MEF YANG models in MEF 38  date two-three years back. They are 
> outdated and not aligned with the YANG evolution since. MEF has a new 
> YANG project  talk with Mahesh.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
> *From:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert Wilton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49 AM
> *To:* lime@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model
>
> This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG chairs at 
> the end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat here:
>
> My understanding is that MEF have already published a standard CFM 
> YANG model (MEF 38 - https://www 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www&d=AwMFaQ&c=BFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&r=I4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&m=1U6Z6mTAfMUs8VxcdFiC1evReHrAH1FwTxbPojlaMQQ&s=I-U64Plcoxsiz0fhj80tAt16iiEtty7vWVWCBe-ybSk&e=>.*mef*.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/*MEF*_*38*.pdf). 
>
>
> Hence I was wondering whether there had been any consideration as to 
> whether it will be necessary to update the MEF model to be compatible 
> with the LIME model, and whether there has been or needs to be any 
> engagement with MEF concerning this?
>
> Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor the MEF CFM 
> Yang model!
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
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    <tt>Hi Dan,<br>
      <br>
      You are correct that MEF has a new YANG project that Mahesh is
      leading, however revising MEF38 and MEF39 is explicitly out of
      scope for that project in MEF.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
       David<br>
      <br>
    </tt><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/07/15 13:13, Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
      wrote:<br>
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            MEF YANG models in MEF 38 date two-three years back. They
            are outdated and not aligned with the YANG evolution since.
            MEF has a new YANG project  talk with Mahesh. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  Lime [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Wilton<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p>This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG
            chairs at the end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat
            here:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>My understanding is that MEF have already published a
            standard CFM YANG model (MEF 38 - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www&amp;d=AwMFaQ&amp;c=BFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&amp;r=I4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucPvdrphpBsFA&amp;m=1U6Z6mTAfMUs8VxcdFiC1evReHrAH1FwTxbPojlaMQQ&amp;s=I-U64Plcoxsiz0fhj80tAt16iiEtty7vWVWCBe-ybSk&amp;e=">https://www</a>.<b>mef</b>.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/<b>MEF</b>_<b>38</b>.pdf).

            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Hence I was wondering whether there had been any
            consideration as to whether it will be necessary to update
            the MEF model to be compatible with the LIME model, and
            whether there has been or needs to be any engagement with
            MEF concerning this?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor
            the MEF CFM Yang model!<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Thanks,<br>
            Rob<o:p></o:p></p>
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It is out of scope also because of lack of contribution. Do I hear a volunte=
er to rewrite the model to bring it up to date?

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com
Editor, MEF YANG project.=20

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:52 PM, David Ball <daviball@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Dan,
>=20
> You are correct that MEF has a new YANG project that Mahesh is leading, ho=
wever revising MEF38 and MEF39 is explicitly out of scope for that project i=
n MEF.
>=20
>=20
>     David
>=20
>=20
>> On 23/07/15 13:13, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
>> The MEF YANG models in MEF 38  date two-three years back. They are outdat=
ed and not aligned with the YANG evolution since. MEF has a new YANG project=
 =E2=80=93 talk with Mahesh.
>> =20
>> Regards,
>> =20
>> Dan
>> =20
>> =20
>> From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wilton
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49 AM
>> To: lime@ietf.org
>> Subject: [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model
>> =20
>> This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG chairs at the e=
nd of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat here:
>>=20
>> My understanding is that MEF have already published a standard CFM YANG m=
odel (MEF 38 - https://www.mef.net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/MEF_3=
8.pdf).=20
>>=20
>> Hence I was wondering whether there had been any consideration as to whet=
her it will be necessary to update the MEF model to be compatible with the L=
IME model, and whether there has been or needs to be any engagement with MEF=
 concerning this?
>>=20
>> Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor the MEF CFM Yan=
g model!
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>>=20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>It is out of scope also because of lac=
k of contribution. Do I hear a volunteer to rewrite the model to bring it up=
 to date?<br><br>Mahesh Jethanandani<div><a href=3D"mailto:mjethanandani@gma=
il.com">mjethanandani@gmail.com</a></div></div><div>Editor, MEF YANG project=
.&nbsp;</div><div><br>On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:52 PM, David Ball &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:daviball@cisco.com">daviball@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
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    <tt>Hi Dan,<br>
      <br>
      You are correct that MEF has a new YANG project that Mahesh is
      leading, however revising MEF38 and MEF39 is explicitly out of
      scope for that project in MEF.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; David<br>
      <br>
    </tt><br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 23/07/15 13:13, Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
      wrote:<br>
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            MEF YANG models in MEF 38 &nbsp;date two-three years back. They
            are outdated and not aligned with the YANG evolution since.
            MEF has a new YANG project =E2=80=93 talk with Mahesh. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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">
                  Lime [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:li=
me-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Wilton<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"m=
ailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Lime] MEF CFM YANG model<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <p>This was a question that I raised briefly with the LIME WG
            chairs at the end of the WG meeting, and was asked to repeat
            here:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>My understanding is that MEF have already published a
            standard CFM YANG model (MEF 38 - <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" hr=
ef=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www&amp;d=3DAwM=
FaQ&amp;c=3DBFpWQw8bsuKpl1SgiZH64Q&amp;r=3DI4dzGxR31OcNXCJfQzvlsiLQfucBXRucP=
vdrphpBsFA&amp;m=3D1U6Z6mTAfMUs8VxcdFiC1evReHrAH1FwTxbPojlaMQQ&amp;s=3DI-U64=
Plcoxsiz0fhj80tAt16iiEtty7vWVWCBe-ybSk&amp;e=3D">https://www</a>.<b>mef</b>.=
net/Assets/Technical_Specifications/PDF/<b>MEF</b>_<b>38</b>.pdf).&nbsp;

            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Hence I was wondering whether there had been any
            consideration as to whether it will be necessary to update
            the MEF model to be compatible with the LIME model, and
            whether there has been or needs to be any engagement with
            MEF concerning this?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Quick disclaimer: I've not read either the LIME draft nor
            the MEF CFM Yang model!<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Thanks,<br>
            Rob<o:p></o:p></p>
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Folks,

If nobody objects to the meeting minutes below, I will post them tomorrow.

                                                Ron



Meeting Minutes : LIME WG

Note Well:

- No Discussion -

Agenda:

First Talk about Yang Model

Applicability Statement

PM and next steps

Charter : 3 Key Deliverables

1. Yang Data Model (Deepak Kumar will present)
2. Architecture
3. Applicability Document

Reminder on 2nd Milestone - Architecture.

Qin Wu (Huwaei) : Informed Tom is not here, so he will cover the applicabil=
ity document.

LIME Applicability Presentation
----

Discussion

Authors : Is the docuemtn need to cover all models or cover only few of the=
m to demonstrate LIME applicability

Greg: IP, MPLS, MPLS-TP  also.

Carlos: Advised Authors to work with standard specific OAM Models Like BFD,=
 IP, MPLS-TP, MPLS

Greg: BFD, MPLS-TP OAM, LSP Ping might be good fit for architecture and we =
should talk to respective models work in l3sm working group.


Performance Management Presenentation (Qin Wu Huawei)
-
Summary:

Not all OAM support performance management so we separate from other base o=
am model

2 pieces are covered Loss Measurement and Delay Measurement

 Extend MEP -
       distinguish one-way to 2 way (Measurement type)
       session-type - (delay loss)

 4 RPC are instroduced

 Inconsistency - abort support both on-demand and pro-active

whether it's part of base model ()

Discussion
-
Greg: LMEP working group (controller management agent and  protocols to ins=
tantiate measurement, and task is )
      -Define schedule - periodicity
Rob Bonica - Argue with MUST wording - leave place for extension and move i=
t later
Benoit: IPPM has been doing this activity for a while and this might not be=
 generic enough so should be taken up by respective technologies.

General Discussion and Action Items
-----

Deepak Kumar will take care of all the comments for Generic Yang model and =
push latest draft and ask for Working Group Adoption

Applicability Document, OAM Architecture document

Benoit: End Goal is that base model and child model of other technology has=
 to work and this has to be demonstrated by Applicability document.



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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">First Talk about Yang Model<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Applicability Statement<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">PM and next steps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Charter : 3 Key Deliverables<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">1. Yang Data Model (Deepak Kumar will p=
resent)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">2. Architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">3. Applicability Document<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Reminder on 2nd Milestone - Architectur=
e.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Qin Wu (Huwaei) : Informed Tom is not h=
ere, so he will cover the applicability document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">LIME Applicability Presentation<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Authors : Is the docuemtn need to cover=
 all models or cover only few of them to demonstrate LIME applicability<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Greg: IP, MPLS, MPLS-TP &nbsp;also.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Carlos: Advised Authors to work with st=
andard specific OAM Models Like BFD, IP, MPLS-TP, MPLS<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Greg: BFD, MPLS-TP OAM, LSP Ping might =
be good fit for architecture and we should talk to respective models work i=
n l3sm working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Performance Management Presenentation (=
Qin Wu Huawei)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&#8212;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Summary:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Not all OAM support performance managem=
ent so we separate from other base oam model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">2 pieces are covered Loss Measurement a=
nd Delay Measurement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;Extend MEP -<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;distinguish =
one-way to 2 way (Measurement type)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;session-type=
 - (delay loss)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;4 RPC are instroduced<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;Inconsistency - abort support bot=
h on-demand and pro-active<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">whether it&#8217;s part of base model (=
)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&#8212;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Greg: LMEP working group (controller ma=
nagement agent and &nbsp;protocols to instantiate measurement, and task is =
)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Define schedule -=
 periodicity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Rob Bonica - Argue with MUST wording - =
leave place for extension and move it later<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Benoit: IPPM has been doing this activi=
ty for a while and this might not be generic enough so should be taken up b=
y respective technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">General Discussion and Action Items<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Deepak Kumar will take care of all the =
comments for Generic Yang model and push latest draft and ask for Working G=
roup Adoption<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Applicability Document, OAM Architectur=
e document&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Benoit: End Goal is that base model and=
 child model of other technology has to work and this has to be demonstrate=
d by Applicability document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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Hi Ronald,
with just minor nit s/LMEP/LMAP/ I agree with the minutes.

                Regards,
                                Greg

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Folks,

If nobody objects to the meeting minutes below, I will post them tomorrow.

                                                Ron



Meeting Minutes : LIME WG

Note Well:

- No Discussion -

Agenda:

First Talk about Yang Model

Applicability Statement

PM and next steps

Charter : 3 Key Deliverables

1. Yang Data Model (Deepak Kumar will present)
2. Architecture
3. Applicability Document

Reminder on 2nd Milestone - Architecture.

Qin Wu (Huwaei) : Informed Tom is not here, so he will cover the applicabil=
ity document.

LIME Applicability Presentation
----

Discussion

Authors : Is the docuemtn need to cover all models or cover only few of the=
m to demonstrate LIME applicability

Greg: IP, MPLS, MPLS-TP  also.

Carlos: Advised Authors to work with standard specific OAM Models Like BFD,=
 IP, MPLS-TP, MPLS

Greg: BFD, MPLS-TP OAM, LSP Ping might be good fit for architecture and we =
should talk to respective models work in l3sm working group.


Performance Management Presenentation (Qin Wu Huawei)
-
Summary:

Not all OAM support performance management so we separate from other base o=
am model

2 pieces are covered Loss Measurement and Delay Measurement

 Extend MEP -
       distinguish one-way to 2 way (Measurement type)
       session-type - (delay loss)

 4 RPC are instroduced

 Inconsistency - abort support both on-demand and pro-active

whether it's part of base model ()

Discussion
-
Greg: LMEP working group (controller management agent and  protocols to ins=
tantiate measurement, and task is )
      -Define schedule - periodicity
Rob Bonica - Argue with MUST wording - leave place for extension and move i=
t later
Benoit: IPPM has been doing this activity for a while and this might not be=
 generic enough so should be taken up by respective technologies.

General Discussion and Action Items
-----

Deepak Kumar will take care of all the comments for Generic Yang model and =
push latest draft and ask for Working Group Adoption

Applicability Document, OAM Architecture document

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 to work and this has to be demonstrated by Applicability document.



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Ronald,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">with just minor nit s/LME=
P/LMAP/ I agree with the minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Regards,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Lime [ma=
ilto:lime-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2015 10:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> lime@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Lime] FW: Meeting Minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Folks,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If nobody objects to the =
meeting minutes below, I will post them tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Meeting Minutes : LIME WG<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Note Well:<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&#8212; No Discussion &#821=
2;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">First Talk about Yang Model=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Applicability Statement<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">PM and next steps<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Charter : 3 Key Deliverable=
s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">1. Yang Data Model (Deepak =
Kumar will present)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">2. Architecture<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3. Applicability Document<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Reminder on 2nd Milestone -=
 Architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Qin Wu (Huwaei) : Informed =
Tom is not here, so he will cover the applicability document.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">LIME Applicability Presenta=
tion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Discussion<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Authors : Is the docuemtn n=
eed to cover all models or cover only few of them to demonstrate LIME appli=
cability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Greg: IP, MPLS, MPLS-TP &nb=
sp;also.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Carlos: Advised Authors to =
work with standard specific OAM Models Like BFD, IP, MPLS-TP, MPLS<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Greg: BFD, MPLS-TP OAM, LSP=
 Ping might be good fit for architecture and we should talk to respective m=
odels work in l3sm working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Performance Management Pres=
enentation (Qin Wu Huawei)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&#8212;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Summary:<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Not all OAM support perform=
ance management so we separate from other base oam model<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">2 pieces are covered Loss M=
easurement and Delay Measurement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;Extend MEP -<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
distinguish one-way to 2 way (Measurement type)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
session-type - (delay loss)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;4 RPC are instroduced=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;Inconsistency - abort=
 support both on-demand and pro-active<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">whether it&#8217;s part of =
base model ()<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
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</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Discussion<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&#8212;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Greg: LMEP working group (c=
ontroller management agent and &nbsp;protocols to instantiate measurement, =
and task is )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Defin=
e schedule - periodicity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Rob Bonica - Argue with MUS=
T wording - leave place for extension and move it later<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Benoit: IPPM has been doing=
 this activity for a while and this might not be generic enough so should b=
e taken up by respective technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">General Discussion and Acti=
on Items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Deepak Kumar will take care=
 of all the comments for Generic Yang model and push latest draft and ask f=
or Working Group Adoption<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Applicability Document, OAM=
 Architecture document&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Benoit: End Goal is that ba=
se model and child model of other technology has to work and this has to be=
 demonstrated by Applicability document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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