From nobody Sun Nov 1 17:45:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270211B4026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 17:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a3_5sBJY7caY for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 17:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 129251B400C for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 17:45:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1509; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446428730; x=1447638330; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=GMpGFSvSCwV32Jj0Oms7OZVUsARZqTWVJSl7eQHZGlQ=; b=BuygDbvLgjcM+CDF65P2wqA4UjeYC/EpHX40QBmAdj5PNoqhh/rxqSpG vFrT7z4ykZxSkU8jZumEpP7pJSP+IaXq3BsRmx+bkdno2UYBpl8X1ov80 Ieay/XtVAct6HW9vIJCwklhLxW5Jh1pkH8LGoWtXW4oUnvJ4gKu8xbXdj Q=; X-Files: signature.asc : 841 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CtAgDPvjZW/5FdJa1egzuBSL8wDoFahz84FAEBAQEBAQF/C4Q8HW4BgQAnBCGIIqB4oEUBAQEBAQUBAQEBAQEBEwmGd4IQhxsRAYNtgRQFkmaDXQF7gVaBYYhygVmEP5YhAR8BQ4QEhS86gQcBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,230,1444694400"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="203365296" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2015 01:45:29 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com (xch-rtp-019.cisco.com [64.101.220.159]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA21jSR6024534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 01:45:29 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com (64.101.220.159) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:45:28 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:45:28 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "lime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for scribe and Jabber gateway Thread-Index: AQHRFRAmERbEhtm1dEm50BCRJTtCCw== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 01:45:28 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.70.230.63] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_966100B5-545F-4E31-81B5-53A7331A7AE6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Lime] Call for scribe and Jabber gateway X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 01:45:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_966100B5-545F-4E31-81B5-53A7331A7AE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, LIME, We need a scribe and a jabber relay for our meeting today. Please = consider volunteering, let us know via email or at the meeting. Thanks! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=redf; d=rediffmail.com; b=oL/JI2wY56ZnN7G71Iw9t8gPQJaPzngQ54j9JrxFSZn4Nmam42F1lvdYqI4Flo6vS1J+boE0HKkuC5XXaN1aaMgKupdqpuFzKWyDSkawzG20l+6hehCqA1FMesVnuooCnV5O6XYIi+YjCN+ztrffo60EcO5G+2jke6BaJC/n2pY= ; x-m-msg: asd54ad564ad7aa6sd5as6d5; a6da7d6asas6dasd77; 5dad65ad5sd; X-OUT-VDRT-SpamState: 0\LEGIT X-OUT-VDRT-SpamScore: 20 X-OUT-VDRT-SpamCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeekhedrgeefgdeifecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecuhdfknhhvihhsihgslhgvucifohhrughsucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpeffkfggvfhsuffhtgesrgdtvdertddtjeenucfhrhhomhepfdhsuhguvggvphcughcughhgghdfuceoshhuughhihhnjhgrtghosgesrhgvughifhhfmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinheprhgvughifhhfrdgtohhmnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhht X-Remote-IP: 116.197.184.10 X-REDF-OSEN: sudhinjacob@rediffmail.com Date: 9 Nov 2015 14:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20151109142205.3877.qmail@f4mail-235-140.rediffmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Received: from unknown 116.197.184.10 by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 09 Nov 2015 14:22:05 -0000 X-Senderscore: D=0&S=0 Sender: sudhinjacob@rediffmail.com From: "sudeep g ggg" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_0b56e322a9b2ea9708dd59adc366787f" Archived-At: Subject: [Lime] =?utf-8?q?=5BLIME=5D_draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-00?= X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 14:22:13 -0000 --=_0b56e322a9b2ea9708dd59adc366787f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Respected All, Let me thank you for the presentation. it is much appreciated for the authors.May I humbly request you to clarify the following. 1. May I Know the valid customer use case. 2. The model didn't represent any customer services - The end user is the customer and the model must solve the customer pain points. what are the major pain points. 3. If you are referencing the ip I have trace route ping, show ip route etc to troubleshoot what benefit these model as a customer I will get it. 4. After all routing protocol can detect failure for example ospf 40sec if the link is through EOSDH ring then you need sub second features like bfd,cfm to detect failures - whether this model will solve this issue that is faster link failure detection links through Ethernet rings. 5. Are you planning to implement in provider networks or data center networks - if provider networks mostly going to Layer 2 vpn technologies where CFM can be used with out any extra code change. 6. How do you detect failures if the network is going through vxlan and evpn underlay. 7. How this will address the issues between DC. 8. What extra benefits customer will get based on Quality of service. Regards, Sudhin Jacob CCIE R&S,SP 28680 --=_0b56e322a9b2ea9708dd59adc366787f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Respected All,

Let me thank you for the presentation. it is much appreciated for the autho= rs.May I humbly request you to clarify the following.

1. May I Know the valid customer use case.
2. The model didn't represent any customer services - The end user is the c= ustomer and the model must solve the customer pain points. what are the maj= or pain points.
3. If you are referencing the ip I have trace route ping, show ip route etc= to troubleshoot what benefit these model as a customer I will get it.
4. After all routing protocol can detect failure for example ospf 40sec if = the link is through EOSDH ring then you need sub second features like bfd,c= fm to detect failures - whether this model will solve this issue that is fa= ster link failure detection links through Ethernet rings.
5. Are you planning to implement in provider networks or data center networ= ks - if provider networks mostly going to Layer 2 vpn technologies where CF= M can be used with out any extra code change.

6. How do you detect failures if the network is going through vxlan and evp= n underlay.

7. How this will address the issues between DC.

8. What extra benefits customer will get based on Quality of service.



Regards,
Sudhin Jacob
CCIE R&S,SP 28680
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--=_0b56e322a9b2ea9708dd59adc366787f-- From nobody Mon Nov 23 10:09:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDF31AC7E7 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:09:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.086 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.086 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id upslG3s2juNB for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBFBB1ACAD4 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:09:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1631; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1448302144; x=1449511744; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=sXHIRxi+w1xiIn7RKQZcBa4OytT2P8YQKsIbfesWfN0=; b=ebjvkD2S7CYI9TtrBYnxitgGFs21LqYVXjP7acYe8WQHF04ztbtReXFU b8ksyliXPfMhEOUDDTVAR+YcVW2+jmPg90fONmUlWIFU/hN8yC9QwNlhz o48cd9wLxd1mSv51E+Y4T+IpTiHB6RhgE/1Ozv6uIQykpmdlHwPSlavr9 U=; X-Files: signature.asc : 841 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C5AgAlVVNW/4sNJK1egztTdbx+ghoOg?= =?us-ascii?q?WUhhzc4FAEBAQEBAQF/C4Q7I2gBSgI0JwQhiCANnxiPcJAMAQEBAQEBBAEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAREFBIZUghCKYy+BFQWSa4NlAYJYgWGId4FbhECHNYEXjWMBHwFDhASFF?= =?us-ascii?q?oEHAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,338,1444694400"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="52304254" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 23 Nov 2015 18:09:04 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com (xch-rtp-019.cisco.com [64.101.220.159]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tANI93uc019422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:09:03 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com (64.101.220.159) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 13:09:03 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 13:09:02 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "lime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: LIME - DRAFT Minutes Thread-Index: AQHRJhoIacrWMGSU9kSAfpbgtSCV2Q== Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:09:02 +0000 Message-ID: <7401B532-AFF2-4EBD-AF26-EB820427D087@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.150.53.158] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD270C8C-E3E5-4D00-BAC9-752051B66A4E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Lime] LIME - DRAFT Minutes X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:09:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FD270C8C-E3E5-4D00-BAC9-752051B66A4E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, LIME, With many thanks to Daniel King, please find our DRAFT LIME meeting = minutes from Yokohama, at = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-lime. Please review the minutes and reply with comments/additions/corrections = on list. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:00:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070106030103040603040600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Reflecting on the current state of affairs in LIME and a couple of discussions during the IETF 94 meeting ... Let's start by quoting the charter: "This work will enable consistent configuration, reporting, and presentation for the OAM mechanisms used to manage the network, regardless of the layers and technologies, including management mechanisms to facilitate better mapping between information reported from OAM mechanisms that operate in different network layers." The intent behind the charter was to shoot for a single model, i.e. a common structure for _all _OAM technologies to provide consistent configuration, reporting, and presentation, to be augmented with technology specific concepts. However, we also have to recognize that there has been an experimental aspect to this charter: we could not assert that a single model would be suitable without going through the exercise. And the discussions (for some time) block on the significant differences between connection-orientated and connection-less data planes. Let me stress that if a single model to rule them all is impossible, but two different generic models, one for connection-oriented and another one for connection-less OAM data plane, this is a conclusion already. And this should be fine with the charter text. Btw, note the "s" in YANG data models in this charter sentence: "- YANG data model(s) for generic layer-independent and technology-independent configuration, reporting and presentation for OAM mechanisms." Now, I believe that the end points should be defined independently of the data plane technology. There is some commonalities after all, even if this is only in a YANG typedef. Another aspects to keep in mind is that we must be able to map those end points with the topology YANG models specified in I2RS: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-01 , draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 , and draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01 Regards, Benoit (OPS AD) --------------070106030103040603040600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Reflecting on the current state of affairs in LIME and a couple of discussions during the IETF 94 meeting ...

Let's start by quoting the charter:
"This work will enable consistent configuration, reporting, and presentation for the OAM mechanisms used to manage the network, regardless of the layers and technologies, including management mechanisms to facilitate better mapping between information reported from OAM mechanisms that operate in different network layers."

The intent behind the charter was to shoot for a single model, i.e. a common structure for all OAM technologies to provide consistent configuration, reporting, and presentation, to be augmented with technology specific concepts.
However, we also have to recognize that there has been an experimental aspect to this charter: we could not assert that a single model would be suitable without going through the exercise. And the discussions (for some time) block on the significant differences between connection-orientated and connection-less data planes.

Let me stress that if a single model to rule them all is impossible, but two different generic models, one for connection-oriented and another one for connection-less OAM data plane, this is a conclusion already. And this should be fine with the charter text. Btw, note the "s" in YANG data models in this charter sentence: "- YANG data model(s) for generic layer-independent and technology-independent configuration, reporting and presentation for OAM mechanisms."

Now, I believe that the end points should be defined independently of the data plane technology. There is some commonalities after all, even if this is only in a YANG typedef. Another aspects to keep in mind is that we must be able to map those end points with the topology YANG models specified in I2RS: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-01, draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00, and draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01

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<7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221948935@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.150.52.26] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D27B040D3027Ecpignataciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Lime] LIME - DRAFT Minutes X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:24:53 -0000 --_000_D27B040D3027Ecpignataciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Greg. Changes incorporated and new Minutes rev posted at https://www.ietf.org/pro= ceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-lime LIME, Other comments? Thanks! - Carlos. From: Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 8:43 PM To: Carlos Pignataro >, "lime= @ietf.org" > Subject: RE: LIME - DRAFT Minutes Hi Carlos, couple requests: =B7 in discussion of LIME YANG Model, I think I didn't put MPLS-TP = in the same OAM category with IP/MPLS in my comments. I believe it was "...= this does not exist in IP or IP/MPLS OAM"; =B7 in discussion BFD Applicability, I think it was not "We will re= port the result as packet loss ..." but more likely "We will report the res= ult as loss of continuity ..." =B7 s/OEM/OAM/ Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cp= ignata) Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:09 AM To: lime@ietf.org Subject: [Lime] LIME - DRAFT Minutes Hi, LIME, With many thanks to Daniel King, please find our DRAFT LIME meeting minutes= from Yokohama, at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-l= ime. Please review the minutes and reply with comments/additions/corrections on = list. Thanks! - Carlos & Ron. --_000_D27B040D3027Ecpignataciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <1E4761C246051B4682CC5E2AD2099D48@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you, Greg.

Changes incorporated and new Minutes rev posted at https://www.ietf.= org/proceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-lime

LIME,

Other comments?

Thanks!

— Carlos.

From: Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at= 8:43 PM
To: Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@cisco.com>, "lime@ietf.org" <lime@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: LIME - DRAFT Minutes

Hi Carlos,

couple requests:

= =B7         in discussion of LIME YANG Model, I think I didn't put MPLS-TP in the same OAM category with IP/MPLS in my c= omments. I believe it was "... this does not exist in IP or IP/MPLS OA= M";

= =B7         in discussion BFD Applicability, I think= it was not “We will report the result as packet loss …” = but more likely “We will report the result as loss of continuity R= 30;”

= =B7         s/OEM/OAM/

 

Regards,

   &nb= sp;    Greg

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:09 AM
To: lime@ietf.org
Subject: [Lime] LIME - DRAFT Minutes

 

Hi, LIME,

 

With many thanks to Daniel King, please find our = DRAFT LIME meeting minutes from Yokohama, at https://www.ietf.org/pro= ceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-lime.

 

Please review the minutes and reply with comments= /additions/corrections on list.

 

Thanks!

 

— Carlos & Ron.

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micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org" Subject: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:49:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8524BC2C-BEB9-4499-BBB5-4C994BB57A16 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2F0D5032-55DF-4B4E-ADA0-9F6EE3D8E087" --Apple-Mail=_2F0D5032-55DF-4B4E-ADA0-9F6EE3D8E087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 FYI. > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Xialiang (Frank)" > Date: November 26, 2015 at 3:12:19 AM EST > To: "sfc@ietf.org" > Subject: [sfc] =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 > Hi all, > We update a new -04 version of this draft. Until now, this draft is = focused on proposing the SFC specific OAM YANG model by inheriting and = extending the existing work of SFC YANG model and LIME OAM YANG model. = So, this draft will keep on being synchronized with the latest update of = the related work of LIME and SFC YANG models. Meanwhile, the sfc oam = framework and specific functions are also very important to be = considered. > Your review and comments on this draft are greatly appreciated! >=20 > B.R. > Frank >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5= 15:25 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Xialiang (Frank); Mohamed Boucadair; = Deepak Kumar; Qin Wu; wangzitao > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt has been = successfully submitted by Liang Xia and posted to the IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam > Revision: 04 > Title: YANG Data Model for SFC Operations, = Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) > Document date: 2015-11-25 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 21 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04 > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines YANG data model for Service Function Chaining > (SFC Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM). It extends > from the basic YANG data model for Layer independent OAM Management > defined in [I-D.ietf-lime-yang-oam-model] with SFC technology > specifics. It includes SFC OAM related configuration, state, and = RPC > information data. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sfc mailing list > sfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc --Apple-Mail=_2F0D5032-55DF-4B4E-ADA0-9F6EE3D8E087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
FYI.


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From: = "Xialiang (Frank)" <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>
Date: = November 26, 2015 at 3:12:19 AM = EST
To: = "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>
Subject: = [sfc] =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F= =91: New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt

Hi = all,
We update a new -04 version of this draft. Until now, = this draft is focused on proposing the SFC specific OAM YANG model by = inheriting and extending the existing work of SFC YANG model and LIME = OAM YANG model. So, this draft will keep on being synchronized with the = latest update of the related work of LIME and SFC YANG models. = Meanwhile, the sfc oam framework and specific functions are also very = important to be considered.
Your review and comments on = this draft are greatly appreciated!

B.R.
Frank

-----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E= =9F=E4=BB=B6-----
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=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=882= 6=E6=97=A5 15:25
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Xialiang = (Frank); Mohamed Boucadair; Deepak Kumar; Qin Wu; wangzitao
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt has been = successfully submitted by Liang Xia and posted to the IETF = repository.

Name: = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam
Revision: 04
Title:= = YANG Data Model for SFC Operations, Administration, and = Maintenance (OAM)
Document date: = 2015-11-25
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 21
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.= txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam/Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04

Abstract:
=   This document defines YANG data model for Service Function = Chaining
  (SFC Operations, Administration, and = Maintenance (OAM).  It extends
  from the = basic YANG data model for Layer independent OAM Management
=   defined in [I-D.ietf-lime-yang-oam-model] with SFC = technology
  specifics.  It includes SFC = OAM related configuration, state, and RPC
=   information data.




Please note that it may take a = couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version = and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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[99.241.125.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e184sm11887905qkb.40.2015.11.28.12.22.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:22:52 -0800 (PST) To: Gregory Mirsky , "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , "lime@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "Alia Atlas (akatlas@gmail.com)" References: <1FBAAA75-255C-4682-BE55-0FDEA213AA55@cisco.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122194A461@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: Tom Taylor Message-ID: <565A0D1B.2050509@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:22:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122194A461@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] [sfc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:22:54 -0000 The charter as I understand it says that LIME shapes the tool development, which is the other way around from what you propose. Tom Taylor On 28/11/2015 11:38 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Dear All, > this work underlines, in my opinion, one fundamental question that LIME WG been discussing for quite some time. Is data model of the particular OAM or for that OAM? If the latter, then we will be developing OAM protocols to much whatever data model been created. Does that sound right? I think that we first build up OAM tool box and then describe its data model with YANG. If that’s the other way around, we may end up with cart before the horse. > > Regards, > Greg > > From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:50 AM > To: lime@ietf.org > Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org > Subject: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt > > FYI. > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Xialiang (Frank)" > > Date: November 26, 2015 at 3:12:19 AM EST > To: "sfc@ietf.org" > > Subject: [sfc] 转发: New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt > > Hi all, > We update a new -04 version of this draft. Until now, this draft is focused on proposing the SFC specific OAM YANG model by inheriting and extending the existing work of SFC YANG model and LIME OAM YANG model. So, this draft will keep on being synchronized with the latest update of the related work of LIME and SFC YANG models. Meanwhile, the sfc oam framework and specific functions are also very important to be considered. > Your review and comments on this draft are greatly appreciated! > ... 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_F2916CC4-1A10-49FC-8532-14A1A002AC5F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "yang-coord@ietf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" , "draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [Lime] [sfc] New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 00:50:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F2916CC4-1A10-49FC-8532-14A1A002AC5F Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_932F8BD3-34E8-49C2-832A-3BF3F4CF971D" --Apple-Mail=_932F8BD3-34E8-49C2-832A-3BF3F4CF971D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greg, Given the right abstraction, the cart and the horse can go in parallel. The existence of a YANG model, if well designed, should not constrained = the potential future development of a new protocol (it might = modify/augment the model, or not). Conversely, a (potential) design of a = new protocol should not stop the development of the data model. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On Nov 28, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Gregory Mirsky = wrote: >=20 > +yang-coord >=20 > From: Gregory Mirsky > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:38 AM > To: 'Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)'; lime@ietf.org = ; 'sfc@ietf.org '; Alia Atlas = (akatlas@gmail.com ) > Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org = > Subject: RE: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 > Dear All, > this work underlines, in my opinion, one fundamental question that = LIME WG been discussing for quite some time. Is data model of the = particular OAM or for that OAM? If the latter, then we will be = developing OAM protocols to much whatever data model been created. Does = that sound right? I think that we first build up OAM tool box and then = describe its data model with YANG. If that=E2=80=99s the other way = around, we may end up with cart before the horse. >=20 > Regards, > Greg >=20 > From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:50 AM > To: lime@ietf.org > Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org = > Subject: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 > FYI. >=20 >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Xialiang (Frank)" > > Date: November 26, 2015 at 3:12:19 AM EST > To: "sfc@ietf.org " > > Subject: [sfc] =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 > Hi all, > We update a new -04 version of this draft. Until now, this draft is = focused on proposing the SFC specific OAM YANG model by inheriting and = extending the existing work of SFC YANG model and LIME OAM YANG model. = So, this draft will keep on being synchronized with the latest update of = the related work of LIME and SFC YANG models. Meanwhile, the sfc oam = framework and specific functions are also very important to be = considered. > Your review and comments on this draft are greatly appreciated! >=20 > B.R. > Frank >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org = ] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5= 15:25 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Xialiang (Frank); Mohamed Boucadair; = Deepak Kumar; Qin Wu; wangzitao > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt has been = successfully submitted by Liang Xia and posted to the IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam > Revision: 04 > Title: YANG Data Model for SFC Operations, = Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) > Document date: 2015-11-25 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 21 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt = > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam/ = > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04 = > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04 = >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines YANG data model for Service Function Chaining > (SFC Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM). It extends > from the basic YANG data model for Layer independent OAM Management > defined in [I-D.ietf-lime-yang-oam-model] with SFC technology > specifics. It includes SFC OAM related configuration, state, and = RPC > information data. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org . >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sfc mailing list > sfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc = --Apple-Mail=_932F8BD3-34E8-49C2-832A-3BF3F4CF971D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Greg,

Given= the right abstraction, the cart and the horse can go in = parallel.

The = existence of a YANG model, if well designed, should not constrained the = potential future development of a new protocol (it might modify/augment = the model, or not). Conversely, a (potential) design of a new protocol = should not stop the development of the data model.

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 = Carlos.

On Nov 28, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Gregory Mirsky = <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

+yang-coord
 
From: Gregory = Mirsky 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 = 8:38 AM
To: 'Carlos Pignataro = (cpignata)'; lime@ietf.org; 'sfc@ietf.org'; Alia Atlas (akatlas@gmail.com)
Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New = Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt
 
Dear All,
this work underlines, in my opinion, one = fundamental question that LIME WG been discussing for quite some time. = Is data model of the particular OAM or  for that OAM? If the = latter, then we will be developing OAM protocols to much whatever data = model been created. Does that sound right? I think that we first build = up OAM tool box and then describe its data model with YANG. If that=E2=80=99= s the other way around, we may end up with cart before the horse.
 
          &nb= sp;     Regards,
          &nb= sp;            = ;         Greg
 
From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata)
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 = 6:50 AM
To: lime@ietf.org
Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org
Subject: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New = Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt
 
FYI.
 
 
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From: "Xialiang = (Frank)" <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>
Date: November 26, = 2015 at 3:12:19 AM EST
To: "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>
Subject: [sfc] =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: New Version = Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt
 
Hi all,
We update a new -04 = version of this draft. Until now, this draft is focused on proposing the = SFC specific OAM YANG model by inheriting and extending the existing = work of SFC YANG model and LIME OAM YANG model. So, this draft will keep = on being synchronized with the latest update of the related work of LIME = and SFC YANG models. Meanwhile, the sfc oam framework and specific = functions are also very important to be considered.
Your = review and comments on this draft are greatly appreciated!

B.R.
Frank

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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt has been = successfully submitted by Liang Xia and posted to the IETF = repository.

Name:        &= nbsp;     draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam=
Revision:        <= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> 04
Title:        &= nbsp;       YANG Data Model for = SFC Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM)
Document date:        &= nbsp; 2015-11-25
Group:        &= nbsp;    Individual = Submission
Pages:        &= nbsp;     21
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.= txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam/Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04

Abstract:
  This = document defines YANG data model for Service Function Chaining
  (SFC Operations, Administration, and Maintenance = (OAM).  It extends
  from the basic YANG = data model for Layer independent OAM Management
  defined in [I-D.ietf-lime-yang-oam-model] with = SFC technology
  specifics.  It includes = SFC OAM related configuration, state, and RPC
  information data.




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boundary="Apple-Mail=_900347A0-533A-4019-9A63-1FBDA8CE7FDE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Alia Atlas , "lime@ietf.org" , "draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , Tom Taylor Subject: Re: [Lime] [sfc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 00:59:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_900347A0-533A-4019-9A63-1FBDA8CE7FDE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1F344FB1-5062-498F-8286-533C05C95FC5" --Apple-Mail=_1F344FB1-5062-498F-8286-533C05C95FC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greg, =E2=80=9CForcing=E2=80=9D seems like hyperbole. (force /f=C3=B4rs/verb = 2. make (someone) do something against their will.) =E2=80=9CArbitrary=E2=80=9D seems like fallacy, (ar=C2=B7bi=C2=B7trar=C2=B7= y, adjective: based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any = reason or system) A well designed data model can most certainly guide (guide /=C9=A1=C4=ABd/= 1. show or indicate the way to (someone). 2. direct or have an = influence on the course of action of (someone or something)) =E2=80=9Cothe= r IETF working groups developing new OAM protocols or modifying existing = OAM protocols, at any layer and for any technology=E2=80=9D (as per = charter). And as per charter, =E2=80=9CYANG model(s) specified in this working = group must be usable and extensible by the existing OAM technologies=E2=80= =9D Works both ways. My personal opinion wearing no hats. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Gregory Mirsky = wrote: >=20 > Hi Tom, > "guidance" is neither defining OAM protocols, nor forcing arbitrary = model onto ones that already had been developed at IETF WGs (in general = I compare creation of YANG data model to writing MIB - ones protocol or = service are stable, we start and do it fast). That's my interpretation = of LIME WG charter and, AFAIK, being stressed by our AD and chairs. But = I may be wrong. Let's listen to what others would like to add to the = discussion. >=20 > Regards, > Greg >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:23 PM > To: Gregory Mirsky; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); lime@ietf.org; = sfc@ietf.org; Alia Atlas (akatlas@gmail.com) > Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sfc] [Lime] Fwd: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >=20 > The charter as I understand it says that LIME shapes the tool = development, which is the other way around from what you propose. >=20 > Tom Taylor >=20 > On 28/11/2015 11:38 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: >> Dear All, >> this work underlines, in my opinion, one fundamental question that = LIME WG been discussing for quite some time. Is data model of the = particular OAM or for that OAM? If the latter, then we will be = developing OAM protocols to much whatever data model been created. Does = that sound right? I think that we first build up OAM tool box and then = describe its data model with YANG. If that=E2=80=99s the other way = around, we may end up with cart before the horse. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Greg >>=20 >> From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos >> Pignataro (cpignata) >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:50 AM >> To: lime@ietf.org >> Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org >> Subject: [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New Version Notification for >> draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >>=20 >> FYI. >>=20 >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: "Xialiang (Frank)" >> > >> Date: November 26, 2015 at 3:12:19 AM EST >> To: "sfc@ietf.org" >> > >> Subject: [sfc] =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: New Version Notification for >> draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt >>=20 >> Hi all, >> We update a new -04 version of this draft. Until now, this draft is = focused on proposing the SFC specific OAM YANG model by inheriting and = extending the existing work of SFC YANG model and LIME OAM YANG model. = So, this draft will keep on being synchronized with the latest update of = the related work of LIME and SFC YANG models. Meanwhile, the sfc oam = framework and specific functions are also very important to be = considered. >> Your review and comments on this draft are greatly appreciated! >>=20 > ... --Apple-Mail=_1F344FB1-5062-498F-8286-533C05C95FC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Greg,

=E2=80=9CForcing=E2=80=9D seems like hyperbole. (force /f=C3=B4rs/verb 2. make = (someone) do something against their will.)

=E2=80=9CArbitrary=E2=80=9D= seems like fallacy, (ar=C2=B7bi=C2=B7trar=C2=B7y, adjective: 
based on random choice or personal = whim, rather than any reason or system
)

A well designed data model can most = certainly guide (guide /=C9=A1=C4=ABd/ 1. show or indicate the way to = (someone). 2. direct or have an influence on the course of action of = (someone or something)) =E2=80=9Cother IETF working groups developing = new OAM protocols or modifying existing OAM protocols, at any layer and = for any technology=E2=80=9D (as per charter).

And as per charter, =E2=80=9CYANG = model(s) specified in this working group must be usable and extensible = by the existing OAM technologies=E2=80=9D

Works both ways.
My personal opinion wearing no = hats.

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On = Nov 28, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi = Tom,
"guidance" is neither defining OAM protocols, nor = forcing arbitrary model onto ones that already had been developed at = IETF WGs (in general I compare creation of YANG data model to writing = MIB - ones protocol or service are stable, we start and do it fast). = That's my interpretation of LIME WG charter and, AFAIK, being stressed = by our AD and chairs. But I may be wrong. Let's listen to what others = would like to add to the discussion.

= Regards,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com]
Sent: = Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:23 PM
To: Gregory Mirsky; = Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); lime@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; Alia Atlas (akatlas@gmail.com)
Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [sfc] [Lime] Fwd: New Version Notification for = draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt

The charter = as I understand it says that LIME shapes the tool development, which is = the other way around from what you propose.

Tom Taylor

On 28/11/2015 11:38 = AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
Dear All,
this work underlines, in my opinion, = one fundamental question that LIME WG been discussing for quite some = time. Is data model of the particular OAM or  for that OAM? If the = latter, then we will be developing OAM protocols to much whatever data = model been created. Does that sound right? I think that we first build = up OAM tool box and then describe its data model with YANG. If that=E2=80=99= s the other way around, we may end up with cart before the horse.

=             &n= bsp;   Regards,
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;       Greg

From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos
Pignataro (cpignata)
Sent: Saturday, November = 28, 2015 6:50 AM
To: lime@ietf.org
Cc: draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam@ietf.org
Subject: = [Lime] Fwd: [sfc] New Version Notification for
draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt

FYI.


Begin = forwarded message:

From: "Xialiang (Frank)" =
<frank.xialiang@huawei.com<mailto:frank.xialiang@huawei.com>>
Date: November 26, 2015 at 3:12:19 AM EST
To: = "sfc@ietf.org<mailto:sfc@ietf.org>"
<sfc@ietf.org<mailto:sfc@ietf.org>>
Subject: [sfc] = =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: New Version Notification for
draft-xia-sfc-yang-oam-04.txt

Hi = all,
We update a new -04 version of this draft. Until now, = this draft is focused on proposing the SFC specific OAM YANG model by = inheriting and extending the existing work of SFC YANG model and LIME = OAM YANG model. So, this draft will keep on being synchronized with the = latest update of the related work of LIME and SFC YANG models. = Meanwhile, the sfc oam framework and specific functions are also very = important to be considered.
Your review and comments on = this draft are greatly appreciated!

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