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([2001:67c:370:160:fc52:7b91:4f30:cc46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 83sm11056858qkv.42.2016.04.04.06.07.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Apr 2016 06:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: =?GB2312?Q?gmail=D3=CA=CF=E4?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12B440) In-Reply-To: <57025AB8.9030707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 10:07:17 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8F79233B-4922-433C-AFE1-8E06A71CCCD6@gmail.com> References: <57025AB8.9030707@gmail.com> To: "huubatwork@gmail.com" Archived-At: Cc: "lime@ietf.org" , Qin Wu Subject: Re: [Lime] draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-03 X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:07:33 -0000 Huub=A3=ACthank you for feedback=A3=ACremoving them sounds good to me. =B7=A2=D7=D4=CE=D2=B5=C4 iPhone > =D4=DA 2016=C4=EA4=D4=C24=C8=D5=A3=AC=C9=CF=CE=E79:14=A3=ACHuub van Helvoo= rt =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 > Hello Qin, >=20 > You wrote: >=20 >> In introduction, we briefly review existing OAM tool including ping, trac= eroute. Not sure this should go away. >=20 > Mentioning these two tools will create more confusion that providing clari= ty. >=20 > The concepts of connection-less and connection-oriented are so different t= hat > tools for one of them cannot be used as justification for tools in the oth= er. >=20 > Best regards, Huub. >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Always remember that you are unique...just like everyone else... >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lime mailing list > Lime@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime From nobody Wed Apr 6 07:55:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8431012D678 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QwvUeVBKoQ1S for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9DB112D679 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:55:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2915; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1459954526; x=1461164126; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Jozkah/J0F6VqvJDz97HCGgWCUWTwRmdT3Uin/9sIL8=; b=kzpvkQm6WXQbqf/M2ty91kJgKvnsb0WBCjA9VI70eOhoSLWu8gNYDRFN Bx/rz22z8j0KOckyXipWEhg8GpmT6aCOl4tcjJpDM6wWy6c4IHSXjUQGe nQVps4HAZ9+IMzvq9Ui1UIPgSIqtxRshjCa9IAZvF8YABJfoqX6cl8PjO c=; X-Files: signature.asc : 841 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CwAgDBIgVX/4QNJK1cgzdTgQO4NoIPD?= =?us-ascii?q?oFyIYVsgUs4FAEBAQEBAQFlHAuEOBAjaAELAT4CNCcEIYgZDp8Yj12RaQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQQBAQEBAQEBAQEBDgQEhiGBdQiHOoJTK4IrBZgBAYMigWaJAoFnhE2IWAKPI?= =?us-ascii?q?AEeAUODZ4hhfgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,447,1454976000"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="258125511" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 06 Apr 2016 14:55:22 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (xch-rtp-016.cisco.com [64.101.220.156]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u36EtKdd009516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:55:21 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (64.101.220.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:55:20 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:55:20 -0400 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "lime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: LIME *DRAFT* Minutes for IETF95 Thread-Index: AQHRkBRWNXlAEAjJxkua08+QwO/7qA== Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:55:20 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.239.42] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8609B957-BEFC-4F7A-BDF5-75E797FEA0ED"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Lime] LIME *DRAFT* Minutes for IETF95 X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 14:55:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8609B957-BEFC-4F7A-BDF5-75E797FEA0ED Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CD6B8574-8EFD-435E-A4F6-73CFED1F3CF7" --Apple-Mail=_CD6B8574-8EFD-435E-A4F6-73CFED1F3CF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, LIME! With thanks to Sanjoy for scribing, we have posted *draft* meeting = minutes. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/minutes/minutes-95-lime = Please reply with any corrections, fixes, feature requests, or patches. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Carlos & Ron. --Apple-Mail=_CD6B8574-8EFD-435E-A4F6-73CFED1F3CF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi, LIME!

With thanks to Sanjoy for scribing, we = have posted *draft* meeting minutes.

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/minutes/minutes-95-lime

Please reply = with any corrections, fixes, feature requests, or patches.

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos & = Ron.
= --Apple-Mail=_CD6B8574-8EFD-435E-A4F6-73CFED1F3CF7-- --Apple-Mail=_8609B957-BEFC-4F7A-BDF5-75E797FEA0ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXBSNWAAoJEIXgpQGOZny9OVIQAJhUzvC5wqE5rV6uXrG3LYgb QQeyIM2RIXjz9Tl8BigvC95GDs3SMnHP2c4uMfA3ri4OmrFzQ0a3wzIIcfmpgIPR IsEFN5M9mgBvtL+KzkM9NIR72YcunUxnYUAsCcUYpX5gc5UAm2wOKZSm8W3LwcRe G9D1n0fuzgtmjhxzRce1saUnDF1BHjFaswI/FDlSWADfTZqmJTdn49AFxwVi7r8E Q87W7hwObswmQ2hDRZNK6zAxJ22D19K0RnsDkb1f9VIkFyLz1D8CwaiGL1VM4wuk KuR7qNtzsXBB5Emu62dLwmazctKE83JCRVWfPXqDkiZocj75yXvMNUHTBHzyzfFm hXeFigOuItFUuyAWwFsSlKofE5P3PoH7QJ5+w9saqA2+qIXBOot8irJ0Fcd+OcFs fbHakn7K6KJKGeQGZPT4IJW2Lp0HmsuiUfQ9H2BodIMYpmaA5G3k/3rgr6vPlZ4T BlK/AREXfKgI457kM3hOonOd7v9WHqAUHc0iY4Gkemka97oITBNRebjK3WOW+m0z g1pW2U5Taw57Y7u01Ezy+Yu4EFgxcl5HnFwecMyNhckMJW+L6Li7YnOGY6wBB+oy 1HNgFXDVohnjfQ3yOjMgqQEeFJXxxqndZME/4Th6VnqCJyvft6yEG3EW2w4qmoTT WU46Hea9R8Inp0EZRmys =cAQG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8609B957-BEFC-4F7A-BDF5-75E797FEA0ED-- From nobody Wed Apr 6 11:24:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietf.org Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207A512D0E7; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:24:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160406182441.24925.38678.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:24:41 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: lime@ietf.org Subject: [Lime] I-D Action: draft-kumar-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-02.txt X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 18:24:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment of the IETF. Title : Generic YANG Data Model for Connection Less Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols Authors : Deepak Kumar Michael Wang Qin Wu Reshad Rahman Filename : draft-kumar-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-02.txt Pages : 61 Date : 2016-04-06 Abstract: This document presents a base YANG Data model for connectionless OAM protocols. It provides a technology-independent abstraction of key OAM constructs for connectionless protocols. Based model presented here can be extended to include technology specific details. This is leading to uniformity between OAM protocols and support nested OAM workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at different or same levels through a unified interface). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-kumar-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Apr 11 04:56:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48E612D876; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.215 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.215 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ynXM2BRxOI5L; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5535112D52C; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CHD70539; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:55:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.199) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:55:54 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.56]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:55:48 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: Kostas PENTIKOUSIS Thread-Topic: Performance measurement support in connectionless OAM Thread-Index: AQHRk+kWqLlgFumIqEOE1y0t12pP2g== Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:55:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.46.232.146] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA853153D9nkgeml513mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090202.570B90CE.0066, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.56, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: c9662a55782794ad63e649114494b67e Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang@ietf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" , Deepak Kumar , "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)" Subject: [Lime] Performance measurement support in connectionless OAM X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." 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Dear Authors, et. al,

this is interesting proposal. Please find my comment= s and questions below:

·         what is the benefit of multi class colored l= oss measurement as there’s obvious cost associated with need to maint= ain significantly more proactive, i.e. always on, counters;

·         how the Forwarding Class been defined? I cou= ldn’t find the formal definition or the reference to one in the draft= .

·         why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measure= ment method and not SLM/SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proact= ive counters per MEP;

·         do you plan to propose a YANG model for the = multi class colored loss measurement? How do you see position of such model= relative to the loss-measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OA= M Performance Monitoring YANG Module?

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:36:45 -0000 --_000_CY1PR05MB2747D4B60CC6EF04FAEE4871C2690CY1PR05MB2747namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, Kindly find the answers inline. Regards, Sudhin From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM To: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org Cc: lime@ietf.org Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear Authors, et. al, this is interesting proposal. Please find my comments and questions below: * what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as th= ere's obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more proa= ctive, i.e. always on, counters; Sudhin>> Customer will have different services and he has to measure the pa= ckets flowing in each service and its consumption if it is going out of the= limit, provider can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop prio= rities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in profile pack= et. * how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn't find the formal= definition or the reference to one in the draft. Sudhin>> forwarding class is termed as packets which under grow similar tre= atment this can be taken as COS model. * why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not S= LM/SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP; Sudhin >SLM/SLR won't give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives= actual customer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period= of time. This gives proactive and on demand model. * do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored l= oss measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss= -measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OAM Performan= ce Monitoring YANG Module? Sudhin>>> Yes, we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your = input is highly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on = it. Regards, Greg --_000_CY1PR05MB2747D4B60CC6EF04FAEE4871C2690CY1PR05MB2747namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Greg,

 

Kindly find the answer= s inline.

 

Regards,

Sudhin

 

From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@e= ricsson.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM
To: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org
Cc: lime@ietf.org
Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear Authors, et. al,

this is interesting proposal. Please find my comment= s and questions below:

·         what is the benefit of multi class colored l= oss measurement as there’s obvious cost associated with need to maint= ain significantly more proactive, i.e. always on, counters;

 

Sudhin>> Custome= r will have different services and he has to measure the packets flowing in= each service and its consumption if it is going out of the limit, provider= can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop priorities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in= profile packet.

·         how the Forwarding Class been defined? I cou= ldn’t find the formal definition or the reference to one in the draft= .

 

Sudhin>> forward= ing class is termed as packets which under grow similar treatment this can = be taken as COS model.

 

·         why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measure= ment method and not SLM/SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proact= ive counters per MEP;

 

Sudhin >SLM/SLR won= ’t give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives actual custo= mer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period of time. Thi= s gives proactive and on demand model.

 

·         do you plan to propose a YANG model for the = multi class colored loss measurement? How do you see position of such model= relative to the loss-measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OA= M Performance Monitoring YANG Module?

 

Sudhin>>> Yes= , we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your input is high= ly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on it.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_CY1PR05MB2747D4B60CC6EF04FAEE4871C2690CY1PR05MB2747namp_-- From nobody Mon Apr 18 05:17:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FD212DC13; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 05:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XsR8kZuxJ2n2; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 05:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpatc-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E6612DBCD; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 05:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tumx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.14]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 2645BC8E24979; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:17:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.64]) by us70tumx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u3ICHin3023704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:17:44 GMT Received: from US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.35]) by us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u3ICHi5M017021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:17:44 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.9.23]) by US70TWXCHHUB03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:17:44 -0400 From: "Varma, Eve (Nokia - US)" To: EXT Sudhin Jacob , Gregory Mirsky Thread-Topic: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Thread-Index: AdGXQoVejC8ypQeKQ+W4sao1uCHFNAAf9K0QAGpMlFA= Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:17:43 +0000 Message-ID: <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA4016@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A47BDF@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA4016US70UWXCHMBA03z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:17:48 -0000 --_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA4016US70UWXCHMBA03z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I see some technical discussion has started on this draft; however, it appe= ars to me that this draft is out of scope of the lime charter: "The working group will not develop any new OAM protocols. The LIME WG is = not chartered to work on information or data models specific to any data pl= ane or forwarding plane technology that is developed outside of the IETF." If there are comments/inputs re G.8013/Y.1731, I suggest contributing to IT= U-T Q10/15. With best regards, Eve From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:37 AM To: Gregory Mirsky Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Hi Greg, Kindly find the answers inline. Regards, Sudhin From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM To: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org Cc: lime@ietf.org Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear Authors, et. al, this is interesting proposal. Please find my comments and questions below: * what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as th= ere's obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more proa= ctive, i.e. always on, counters; Sudhin>> Customer will have different services and he has to measure the pa= ckets flowing in each service and its consumption if it is going out of the= limit, provider can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop prio= rities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in profile pack= et. * how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn't find the formal= definition or the reference to one in the draft. Sudhin>> forwarding class is termed as packets which under grow similar tre= atment this can be taken as COS model. * why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not S= LM/SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP; Sudhin >SLM/SLR won't give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives= actual customer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period= of time. This gives proactive and on demand model. * do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored l= oss measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss= -measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OAM Performan= ce Monitoring YANG Module? Sudhin>>> Yes, we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your = input is highly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on = it. Regards, Greg --_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA4016US70UWXCHMBA03z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 <= /p>

I see some technical disc= ussion has started on this draft; however, it appears to me that this draft= is out of scope of the lime charter:

 <= /p>

“The working group = will not develop any new OAM protocols.  The LIME WG is not chartered = to work on information or data models specific to any data plane or forwarding plane technology that is developed outside of the IETF.”<= o:p>

 <= /p>

If there are comments/inp= uts re G.8013/Y.1731, I suggest contributing to ITU-T Q10/15.

 <= /p>

With best regards,

Eve

 

From: Lime [ma= ilto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:37 AM
To: Gregory Mirsky
Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Hi Greg,

 

Kindly find the answer= s inline.

 

Regards,

Sudhin

 

From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM
To: draft-bhapra= sud-lime-pm@ietf.org
Cc: lime@ietf.org
Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear Authors, et. al,

this is interesting proposal. Please find my comment= s and questions below:

·    &n= bsp;    what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as there= ’s obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more p= roactive, i.e. always on, counters;

 

Sudhin>> Custome= r will have different services and he has to measure the packets flowing in= each service and its consumption if it is going out of the limit, provider= can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop priorities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in= profile packet.

·    &n= bsp;    how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn’t find the for= mal definition or the reference to one in the draft.

 

Sudhin>> forward= ing class is termed as packets which under grow similar treatment this can = be taken as COS model.

 

·    &n= bsp;    why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not SLM/= SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP;

 

Sudhin >SLM/SLR won= ’t give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives actual custo= mer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period of time. Thi= s gives proactive and on demand model.

 

·    &n= bsp;    do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored loss= measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss-measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OA= M Performance Monitoring YANG Module?

 

Sudhin>>> Yes= , we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your input is high= ly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on it.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:57:51 -0000 --_000_CY1PR05MB2747D87DB21306603850788CC26B0CY1PR05MB2747namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Eve, Yes we know that, we are trying to find a proper place holder for it. So we= are describing about PM over point to point service. Correct me if I am wr= ong ITU deals with protocols not defining service and how to run. Regards, Sudhin From: Varma, Eve (Nokia - US) [mailto:eve.varma@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:48 PM To: Sudhin Jacob ; Gregory Mirsky Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org Subject: RE: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear all, I see some technical discussion has started on this draft; however, it appe= ars to me that this draft is out of scope of the lime charter: "The working group will not develop any new OAM protocols. The LIME WG is = not chartered to work on information or data models specific to any data pl= ane or forwarding plane technology that is developed outside of the IETF." If there are comments/inputs re G.8013/Y.1731, I suggest contributing to IT= U-T Q10/15. With best regards, Eve From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:37 AM To: Gregory Mirsky Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Hi Greg, Kindly find the answers inline. Regards, Sudhin From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM To: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org Cc: lime@ietf.org Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear Authors, et. al, this is interesting proposal. Please find my comments and questions below: * what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as th= ere's obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more proa= ctive, i.e. always on, counters; Sudhin>> Customer will have different services and he has to measure the pa= ckets flowing in each service and its consumption if it is going out of the= limit, provider can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop prio= rities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in profile pack= et. * how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn't find the formal= definition or the reference to one in the draft. Sudhin>> forwarding class is termed as packets which under grow similar tre= atment this can be taken as COS model. * why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not S= LM/SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP; Sudhin >SLM/SLR won't give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives= actual customer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period= of time. This gives proactive and on demand model. * do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored l= oss measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss= -measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OAM Performan= ce Monitoring YANG Module? Sudhin>>> Yes, we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your = input is highly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on = it. Regards, Greg --_000_CY1PR05MB2747D87DB21306603850788CC26B0CY1PR05MB2747namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Eve,

 

Yes we know that, we a= re trying to find a proper place holder for it. So we are describing about = PM over point to point service. Correct me if I am wrong ITU deals with pro= tocols not defining service and how to run.

 

Regards,

Sudhin

 

 

From: Varma, Eve (Nokia - US) [mailto:eve.var= ma@nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:48 PM
To: Sudhin Jacob <sjacob@juniper.net>; Gregory Mirsky <greg= ory.mirsky@ericsson.com>
Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear all,

 

I see some technical discussion has started on t= his draft; however, it appears to me that this draft is out of scope of the= lime charter:

 

“The working group will not develop any ne= w OAM protocols.  The LIME WG is not chartered to work on information = or data models specific to any data plane or forwarding plane technology that is developed outside of the IETF.”=

 

If there are comments/inputs re G.8013/Y.1731, I= suggest contributing to ITU-T Q10/15.

 

With best regards,

Eve

 

From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:37 AM
To: Gregory Mirsky
Cc: draft-bhapra= sud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Hi Greg,

 

Kindly find the answer= s inline.

 

Regards,

Sudhin

 

From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM
To: draft-bhapra= sud-lime-pm@ietf.org
Cc: lime@ietf.org
Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear Authors, et. al,

this is interesting proposal. Please find my comment= s and questions below:

·      &n= bsp;  what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as there= ’s obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more p= roactive, i.e. always on, counters;

 

Sudhin>> Custome= r will have different services and he has to measure the packets flowing in= each service and its consumption if it is going out of the limit, provider= can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop priorities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in= profile packet.

·      &n= bsp;  how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn’t find the for= mal definition or the reference to one in the draft.

 

Sudhin>> forward= ing class is termed as packets which under grow similar treatment this can = be taken as COS model.

 

·      &n= bsp;  why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not SLM/= SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP;

 

Sudhin >SLM/SLR won= ’t give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives actual custo= mer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period of time. Thi= s gives proactive and on demand model.

 

·      &n= bsp;  do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored loss= measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss-measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OA= M Performance Monitoring YANG Module?

 

Sudhin>>> Yes= , we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your input is high= ly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on it.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_CY1PR05MB2747D87DB21306603850788CC26B0CY1PR05MB2747namp_-- From nobody Mon Apr 18 07:49:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1EF12D6DB; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:49:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tBvp3HYxerko; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpswa-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40B4512D5FC; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uumx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.15]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 2B902952BD138; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.65]) by us70uumx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u3IEnlpB032207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:49:47 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u3IEnlGd023626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:49:47 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.9.23]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:49:47 -0400 From: "Varma, Eve (Nokia - US)" To: EXT Sudhin Jacob , Gregory Mirsky Thread-Topic: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Thread-Index: AdGXQoVejC8ypQeKQ+W4sao1uCHFNAAf9K0QAGpMlFAAAYODUAADlGmg Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:49:46 +0000 Message-ID: <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA43C3@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A47BDF@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA4016@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA43C3US70UWXCHMBA03z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org" , "lime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:49:53 -0000 --_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA43C3US70UWXCHMBA03z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sudhin, ITU-T Q10/15 deals with services via G.8011, which provides a framework for= defining network-oriented characteristics of Ethernet services based on ME= F specifications (including OAM). However, if your intent is to address M= EF SOAM PM related aspects (e.g., including MEF 39), then it would be appro= priate to contribute directly to MEF. With best regards, Eve From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 8:58 AM To: Varma, Eve (Nokia - US); Gregory Mirsky Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear Eve, Yes we know that, we are trying to find a proper place holder for it. So we= are describing about PM over point to point service. Correct me if I am wr= ong ITU deals with protocols not defining service and how to run. Regards, Sudhin From: Varma, Eve (Nokia - US) [mailto:eve.varma@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:48 PM To: Sudhin Jacob >; Gregory M= irsky > Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org Subject: RE: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear all, I see some technical discussion has started on this draft; however, it appe= ars to me that this draft is out of scope of the lime charter: "The working group will not develop any new OAM protocols. The LIME WG is = not chartered to work on information or data models specific to any data pl= ane or forwarding plane technology that is developed outside of the IETF." If there are comments/inputs re G.8013/Y.1731, I suggest contributing to IT= U-T Q10/15. With best regards, Eve From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:37 AM To: Gregory Mirsky Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Hi Greg, Kindly find the answers inline. Regards, Sudhin From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM To: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org Cc: lime@ietf.org Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm Dear Authors, et. al, this is interesting proposal. Please find my comments and questions below: * what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as th= ere's obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more proa= ctive, i.e. always on, counters; Sudhin>> Customer will have different services and he has to measure the pa= ckets flowing in each service and its consumption if it is going out of the= limit, provider can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop prio= rities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in profile pack= et. * how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn't find the formal= definition or the reference to one in the draft. Sudhin>> forwarding class is termed as packets which under grow similar tre= atment this can be taken as COS model. * why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not S= LM/SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP; Sudhin >SLM/SLR won't give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives= actual customer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period= of time. This gives proactive and on demand model. * do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored l= oss measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss= -measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OAM Performan= ce Monitoring YANG Module? Sudhin>>> Yes, we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your = input is highly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on = it. Regards, Greg --_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA43C3US70UWXCHMBA03z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sudhin,=

 

ITU-T Q10/15 deals with serv= ices via G.8011, which provides a framework for defining network-oriented c= haracteristics of Ethernet services based on MEF specifications (including OAM).   However, if your intent is to address MEF SOA= M PM related aspects (e.g., including MEF 39), then it would be appropriate= to contribute directly to MEF.

 

With best regards,

Eve

 

From: Lime [ma= ilto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Varma, Eve (Nokia - US); Gregory Mirsky
Cc: draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear Eve,

 

Yes we know that, we a= re trying to find a proper place holder for it. So we are describing about = PM over point to point service. Correct me if I am wrong ITU deals with pro= tocols not defining service and how to run.

 

Regards,

Sudhin

 

 

From: Varma, Eve (Nokia - US) [mailto:eve.varma@nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:48 PM
To: Sudhin Jacob <sjacob@ju= niper.net>; Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>
Cc: draft-bhapra= sud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear all,

 <= /p>

I see some technical disc= ussion has started on this draft; however, it appears to me that this draft= is out of scope of the lime charter:

 <= /p>

“The working group = will not develop any new OAM protocols.  The LIME WG is not chartered = to work on information or data models specific to any data plane or forwarding plane technology that is developed outside of the IETF.”<= o:p>

 <= /p>

If there are comments/inp= uts re G.8013/Y.1731, I suggest contributing to ITU-T Q10/15.

 <= /p>

With best regards,

Eve

 

From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of EXT Sudhin Jacob
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:37 AM
To: Gregory Mirsky
Cc: draft-bhapra= sud-lime-pm@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lime] Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Hi Greg,

 

Kindly find the answer= s inline.

 

Regards,

Sudhin

 

From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:26 AM
To: draft-bhapra= sud-lime-pm@ietf.org
Cc: lime@ietf.org
Subject: Mail regarding draft-bhaprasud-lime-pm

 

Dear Authors, et. al,

this is interesting proposal. Please find my comment= s and questions below:

·    &n= bsp;    what is the benefit of multi class colored loss measurement as there= ’s obvious cost associated with need to maintain significantly more p= roactive, i.e. always on, counters;

 

Sudhin>> Custome= r will have different services and he has to measure the packets flowing in= each service and its consumption if it is going out of the limit, provider= can use the policer to drop the packets based on drop priorities. This gives him the flexibility without touching the in= profile packet.

·    &n= bsp;    how the Forwarding Class been defined? I couldn’t find the for= mal definition or the reference to one in the draft.

 

Sudhin>> forward= ing class is termed as packets which under grow similar treatment this can = be taken as COS model.

 

·    &n= bsp;    why you had selected LMM/LMR as loss measurement method and not SLM/= SLR. The latter does not require to maintain proactive counters per MEP;

 

Sudhin >SLM/SLR won= ’t give the actual data flow of end customer, this gives actual custo= mer packet rate and measure the customer traffic over a period of time. Thi= s gives proactive and on demand model.

 

·    &n= bsp;    do you plan to propose a YANG model for the multi class colored loss= measurement? How do you see position of such model relative to the loss-measurement-configuration-group as defined in MEF-39 Service OA= M Performance Monitoring YANG Module?

 

Sudhin>>> Yes= , we would like to enhance a bit more on MEF 39 page 19. Your input is high= ly appreciated, if you are interested we can together work on it.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BECA43C3US70UWXCHMBA03z_-- From nobody Fri Apr 22 19:48:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lime@ietf.org Delivered-To: lime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83AA12D97E; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:48:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160423024801.7591.43560.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:48:01 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: lime@ietf.org Subject: [Lime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-04.txt X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 02:48:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment of the IETF. Title : Generic YANG Data Model for Connection Oriented Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols Authors : Tissa Senevirathne Norman Finn Deepak Kumar Samer Salam Qin Wu Michael Wang Filename : draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-04.txt Pages : 53 Date : 2016-04-22 Abstract: This document presents a base YANG Data model for connection oriented OAM protocols. It provides a technology-independent abstraction of key OAM constructs for connection oriented protocols. Based model presented here can be extended to include technology specific details. This is leading to uniformity between OAM protocols and support nested OAM workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at different levels through a unified interface). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:56:44 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (64.101.220.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 16:56:43 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 16:56:43 -0400 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "lime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: LIME Virtual Interim Meetings Thread-Index: AQHRnaKj5VOq4p6WGkiNtSYYWQv6WA== Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:56:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3747BBC4-9135-472C-A401-D7A63E81CFBA@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.208.205] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_48C67F3B-8B5A-464C-8067-F78C28C90BF5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Lime] LIME Virtual Interim Meetings X-BeenThere: lime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Layer Independent OAM Management in Multi-Layer Environment \(LIME\) discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:56:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_48C67F3B-8B5A-464C-8067-F78C28C90BF5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D0C89417-B2D8-416E-817F-CE7DD5D99048" --Apple-Mail=_D0C89417-B2D8-416E-817F-CE7DD5D99048 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment = (LIME) Working Group will hold two virtual interim meetings as follows: Date: 6 May 2016 Time: 10:00-11:45 am EDT Topics: OAM Connection-Oriented (C-O) YANG Model Event: = http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/event?lid=3D4487042&h=3D4487042&sts=3D243751= 20&sln=3D10-12&a=3Dpreview = Date: 27 May 2016 Time: 10:00-11:45 am EDT Topics: OAM Connectionless (CL) YANG Model Event: = http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/event?lid=3D4487042&h=3D4487042&sts=3D244053= 60&sln=3D10-12&a=3Dpreview = WebEx information will be distributed on the LIME mailing list = (lime@ietf.org). --Apple-Mail=_D0C89417-B2D8-416E-817F-CE7DD5D99048 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii The Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer = Environment (LIME) Working Group will hold two virtual = interim meetings as follows:

Date: 6 = May 2016
Time: 10:00-11:45 am EDT
Topics: = OAM Connection-Oriented (C-O) YANG Model
Event: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/event?lid=3D4487042&h=3D44870= 42&sts=3D24375120&sln=3D10-12&a=3Dpreview

Date: 27 May 2016 
Time: = 10:00-11:45 am EDT
Topics: OAM Connectionless (CL) YANG = Model
Event: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/event?lid=3D4487042&h=3D44870= 42&sts=3D24405360&sln=3D10-12&a=3Dpreview

WebEx information will be distributed on the = LIME mailing list (lime@ietf.org).


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