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Thanks Qin
See in-line.
>
> Thanks for AD Review. We have addressed your comments in v-(09) 
> together with other comments.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/
>
> Just to clarify, ‘tp-tools’ grouping defined in  CL model support both 
> proactive and on demand activation.
>
> Grouping defined for common session  statistics on support proactive 
> activation.
>
> We have made this clear in the text.
>
> Also it is intentional to separate retrieval- data from retrieval 
> procedure, the rationale is clarified in the
>
> introduction 1, last paragraph of 
> draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods.
>
> -Qin
>
> *发件人:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *代表 *Benoit Claise
> *发送时间:*2017年8月11日23:11
> *抄送:*lime@ietf.org; Carl Moberg (camoberg); Alia Atlas
> *主题:*[Lime] AD review: draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam
>
> Dear all,
>
> Here is my AD review.
>

>
> -
>
>    To define a forwarding treatment of a test packet, the 'tp-address'
>   needs to be associated with additional parameters, e.g.  DSCP for IP
>    or TC for MPLS.
>
> TC?
> I'm still used to EXP, and had to look TC up.
> Quoting the Internet (so it can't be wrong): Based on RFC5462, the EXP 
> bit has been renamed to Traffic Class field. TC name is not uses widely.
>
The point was not to change TC to EXP, but to write:
DSCP for IP or EXP (renamed to Traffic Classic in RFC5462) for MPLS.
>
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/>
>
- You included:

    The model is augmented to "/nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node" using
    'test-point-locations' defined below. 'tp-tools' grouping defined in
    this model supports both proactive and on-demand activation.


But unless you provide a draft reference, it doesn't make sense.
I had to check the YANG itself to discover the assigned prefix:

      import ietf-network {
           prefix nd;
         }

And then lookup ietf-network

- I see a "typedef route-distinguisher" in 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/
It's more complete that your leaf route-distinguisher, uint64.
At this point, I believe you should import it.
There are maybe other types you might want to import.


Some new editorial comments:
- indicatesindicate
- format.Each

Regards, Benoit

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            comments in v-(09) together with other comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Just to clarify,
          </span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">‘tp-tools’ grouping defined in  CL model
            support both proactive and on demand activation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Grouping defined for common session  statistics
            on support proactive activation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">We have made this clear in the text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Also it is intentional to separate retrieval-
            data from retrieval procedure, the rationale is clarified in
            the
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">introduction 1, last paragraph of
            draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">-Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
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                Lime [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
              </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">代表
                </span></b><span
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                Claise<br>
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                2017</span><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">年<span
                  lang="EN-US">8</span>月<span lang="EN-US">11</span>日<span
                  lang="EN-US"> 23:11<br>
                </span><b>抄送<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a>; Carl Moberg (camoberg);
                  Alia Atlas<br>
                </span><b>主题<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> [Lime] AD review:
                  draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,<br>
            <br>
            Here is my AD review.<br>
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        <pre><span lang="EN-US">   needs to be associated with additional parameters, e.g.  DSCP for IP<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-US">   or TC for MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">TC? <br>
            I'm still used to EXP, and had to look TC up.<br>
            Quoting the Internet (so it can't be wrong): Based on
            RFC5462, the EXP bit has been renamed to Traffic Class
            field. TC name is not uses widely.<br>
          </span></p>
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    The point was not to change TC to EXP, but to write:<br>
    DSCP for IP or EXP (renamed to Traffic Classic in RFC5462) for MPLS.<br>
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    - You included:<br>
    <pre class="newpage">   The model is augmented to "/nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node" using
   'test-point-locations' defined below. 'tp-tools' grouping defined in
   this model supports both proactive and on-demand activation.</pre>
    <br>
    But unless you provide a draft reference, it doesn't make sense.<br>
    I had to check the YANG itself to discover the assigned prefix:<br>
    <blockquote>
      <pre class="newpage"> import ietf-network {
      prefix nd;
    }</pre>
    </blockquote>
    And then lookup ietf-network<br>
    <br>
    - I see a "typedef route-distinguisher" in
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/</a><br>
    It's more complete that your leaf route-distinguisher, uint64.<br>
    At this point, I believe you should import it. <br>
    There are maybe other types you might want to import.<br>
    <br>
     <br>
    Some new editorial comments:<br>
    <span class="insert">- indicatesindicate <br>
      - </span><span class="insert"><span class="insert">format.Each</span><br>
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Thanks Qin,

See in-line (I removed the addressed points).
>
> Thank for valuable comments, your comments have been addressed in 
> v-(06) with other comments on the list:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/
>
Good, but I still see some warnings at 
http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html
>
> -Qin
>
> *发件人:*Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] *代表 *Benoit Claise
> *发送时间:*2017年8月11日23:12
> *收件人:*lime@ietf.org
> *抄送:*Carl Moberg (camoberg)
> *主题:*[Lime] AD review: draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods
>
> Dear all,
>
> Here is my AD review.
>
> - " This document presents a retrieval method YANG Data model for 
> connectionless OAM protocols" is this right?
>
>    rpc path-discovery {
>          description
>            "Generates path discovery as per RFC7276 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276>.";
>
>    rpc continuity-check {
>          if-feature coam:continuity-check;
>          description
>            "Generates continuity-check as per RFC7276 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276>.";
>
> AFACT, the RPC triggers an "on-demand" (as opposed to proactive 
> draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam, to use the 
> draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam term) OAM mechanism and 
> retrieves the results directly.
> " This document presents a retrieval method YANG Data model for 
> connectionless OAM protocols" makes it sound like "polling" the 
> results, which could also be "proactive". You should improve the text
>
Please let me know how this has been addressed.
It seems that this draft is not only about a retrieval, but also an 
activation, in case of "on demand". I believe we should make it clear.
If we need a 5 min call (maybe I don't express myself correctly), don't 
hesitate to let me know.
>
>
> After hours spent on the two LIME drafts ...
> If the continuity-check RPC is really "on-demand", why do we have the 
> session-type-enum as input?
>
> rpc continuity-check {
>     if-feature "coam:continuity-check";
>     description
>       "Generates continuity-check as per RFC7276 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276>.";
>     input {
>       container destination-tp {
>         uses coam:tp-address;
>         description
>           "Destination test point.";
>       }
>       uses coam:session-type;         <==============
>       leaf source-interface {
>         type if:interface-ref;
>         description
>           "Source interface.";
>       }
>
> From the other draft (why, btw?)
>
>     grouping session-type {
>       description
>         "This object indicates the current session
>          definition.";
>       leaf session-type-enum {
>         type enumeration {
>           enum "proactive" {
>             description
>               "The current session is proactive";
>           }
>           enum "on-demand" {
>             description
>               "The current session is on-demand.";
>           }
>         }
>         default "on-demand";
>         description
>           "Session type enum";
>       }
>     }
>
> This should always be "on-demand", right?
>
>
Regards, Benoit

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Qin,<br>
      <br>
      See in-line (I removed the addressed points).<br>
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            lang="EN-US">Thank for valuable comments, your comments have
            been addressed in v-(06) with other comments on the list:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/</a></span></p>
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    </blockquote>
    Good, but I still see some warnings at
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html">http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html</a><br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA9AAEB827@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com">
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">-Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">发件人<span
                    lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">
                Lime [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
              </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">代表
                </span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">Benoit
                Claise<br>
              </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">发送时间<span
                    lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">
                2017</span><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">年<span
                  lang="EN-US">8</span>月<span lang="EN-US">11</span>日<span
                  lang="EN-US"> 23:12<br>
                </span><b>收件人<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a><br>
                </span><b>抄送<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> Carl Moberg (camoberg)<br>
                </span><b>主题<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> [Lime] AD review:
                  draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            lang="EN-US">Dear all,<br>
            <br>
            Here is my AD review.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- " This document
              presents a retrieval method YANG Data model for
              connectionless OAM protocols" is this right?
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">   rpc path-discovery {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">         description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">           "Generates path discovery as per <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276" moz-do-not-send="true">RFC7276</a>.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">   rpc continuity-check {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">         if-feature coam:continuity-check;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">         description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">           "Generates continuity-check as per <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276" moz-do-not-send="true">RFC7276</a>.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">AFACT, the RPC
              triggers an "on-demand" (as opposed to proactive
              draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam, to use the
              draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam term) OAM
              mechanism and retrieves the results directly.<br>
              " This document presents a retrieval method YANG Data
              model for connectionless OAM protocols" makes it sound
              like "polling" the results, which could also be
              "proactive". You should improve the text<br>
            </span></p>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Please let me know how this has been addressed.<br>
    It seems that this draft is not only about a retrieval, but also an
    activation, in case of "on demand". I believe we should make it
    clear.<br>
    If we need a 5 min call (maybe I don't express myself correctly),
    don't hesitate to let me know.<br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA9AAEB827@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com">
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">
              <br>
              After hours spent on the two LIME drafts ...<br>
              If the continuity-check RPC is really "on-demand", why do
              we have the session-type-enum as input?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US"> rpc continuity-check {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">    if-feature "coam:continuity-check";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">    description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      "Generates continuity-check as per <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276" moz-do-not-send="true">RFC7276</a>.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">    input {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      container destination-tp {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        uses coam:tp-address;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          "Destination test point.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      uses coam:session-type;         &lt;==============<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      leaf source-interface {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        type if:interface-ref;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          "Source interface.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">From the other draft
              (why, btw?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">    grouping session-type {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        "This object indicates the current session<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">         definition.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      leaf session-type-enum {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        type enumeration {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          enum "proactive" {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">            description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">              "The current session is proactive";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          enum "on-demand" {<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">            description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">              "The current session is on-demand.";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        default "on-demand";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">        description<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">          "Session type enum";<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">      }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">    }<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This should always be
              "on-demand", right?<br>
              <br>
            </span><br>
          </p>
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yang&nbsp;model&nbsp;which&nbsp;is&nbsp;referenced&nbsp;in&nbsp;this&nbsp;d=
raft.&nbsp;To&nbsp;fix&nbsp;it,&nbsp;network&nbsp;instance&nbsp;model&nbsp;=
draft&nbsp;should&nbsp;be&nbsp;updated.<br>
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<div><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA </b>Qin Wu; lime@ietf.org; </div>
<div><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA </b>Carl Moberg (camoberg); Jan Lindblad; </div>
<div><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA </b>Re: [Lime] AD review: draft-ietf-lime-yang-c=
onnectionless-oam-methods</div>
<div><b>=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA </b>2017-09-01 19:23:18</div>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Qin,<br>
<br>
See in-line (I removed the addressed points).<br>
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r valuable comments, your comments have been addressed in v-(06) with other=
 comments on the list:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/">https://data=
tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/</a></=
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Good, but I still see some warnings at <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" h=
ref=3D"http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html">
http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html</a><br>
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N-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:windowtext"> Lime [<a class=3D"moz-t=
xt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:lime-bounces=
@ietf.org</a>]
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/span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:windowtext"=
>Benoit Claise<br>
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=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:windowtext"> 2017</span><span style=3D"font-=
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</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org"=
>
lime@ietf.org</a><br>
</span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> Carl Moberg (camoberg)<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> [Lime] AD review: draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods</span><=
/span></p>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
Here is my AD review.<br>
<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- &quot; This document presents=
 a retrieval method YANG Data model for connectionless OAM protocols&quot; =
is this right?
</span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;rpc path-discovery {</span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
description</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Generates path discovery as per <a href=3D"https://tools.=
ietf.org/html/rfc7276">RFC7276</a>.&quot;;</span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; rpc continuity-check {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
if-feature coam:continuity-check;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
description</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Generates continuity-check as per <a href=3D"https://tool=
s.ietf.org/html/rfc7276">RFC7276</a>.&quot;;</span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">AFACT, the RPC triggers an &quo=
t;on-demand&quot; (as opposed to proactive draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionl=
ess-oam, to use the draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam term) OAM mecha=
nism and retrieves the results directly.<br>
&quot; This document presents a retrieval method YANG Data model for connec=
tionless OAM protocols&quot; makes it sound like &quot;polling&quot; the re=
sults, which could also be &quot;proactive&quot;. You should improve the te=
xt<br>
</span></p>
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Please let me know how this has been addressed.<br>
It seems that this draft is not only about a retrieval, but also an activat=
ion, in case of &quot;on demand&quot;. I believe we should make it clear.<b=
r>
If we need a 5 min call (maybe I don't express myself correctly), don't hes=
itate to let me know.<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
After hours spent on the two LIME drafts ...<br>
If the continuity-check RPC is really &quot;on-demand&quot;, why do we have=
 the session-type-enum as input?</span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"> rpc continuity-check {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if-feature &quot;coam:continui=
ty-check&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Generates co=
ntinuity-check as per <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7276">RFC72=
76</a>.&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; input {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; container destinat=
ion-tp {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uses c=
oam:tp-address;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; descri=
ption</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; &quot;Destination test point.&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uses coam:session-=
type;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; leaf source-interf=
ace {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; type i=
f:interface-ref;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; descri=
ption</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; &quot;Source interface.&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">From the other draft (why, btw?=
)</span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; grouping session-type {</span>=
</pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description</span>=
</pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;=
This object indicates the current session</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
definition.&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; leaf session-type-=
enum {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; type e=
numeration {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; enum &quot;proactive&quot; {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;The current session is proactive&quot;;=
</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; }</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; enum &quot;on-demand&quot; {</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;The current session is on-demand.&quot;=
;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; }</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</spa=
n></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; defaul=
t &quot;on-demand&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; descri=
ption</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&quot;Session type enum&quot;;</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This should always be &quot;on-=
demand&quot;, right?<br>
<br>
</span><br>
</p>
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Regards, Benoit<br>
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<div><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA </b>Re: [Lime] AD review: draft-ietf-lime-yang-c=
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Qin<br>
See in-line.<br>
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or AD Review. We have addressed your comments in v-(09) together with other=
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er.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/</a></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:#1F497D">=A1=AEtp-tools=A1=AF gro=
uping defined in&nbsp; CL model support both proactive and on demand activa=
tion.</span></p>
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n.</span></p>
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made this clear in the text.</span></p>
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tionale is clarified in the
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=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt; color:windowtext"> 2017</span><span style=3D"font-=
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> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org">
lime@ietf.org</a>; Carl Moberg (camoberg); Alia Atlas<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear all,<br>
<br>
Here is my AD review.<br>
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- </span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;To define a forwarding treatmen=
t of a test packet, the 'tp-address'</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;&nbsp;needs to be associated with addition=
al parameters, e.g.&nbsp; DSCP for IP</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; or TC for MPLS.</span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">TC? <br>
I'm still used to EXP, and had to look TC up.<br>
Quoting the Internet (so it can't be wrong): Based on RFC5462, the EXP bit =
has been renamed to Traffic Class field. TC name is not uses widely.<br>
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The point was not to change TC to EXP, but to write:<br>
DSCP for IP or EXP (renamed to Traffic Classic in RFC5462) for MPLS.<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
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S"></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></pre>
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- You included:<br>
<pre class=3D"newpage">   The model is augmented to &quot;/nd:networks/nd:n=
etwork/nd:node&quot; using
   'test-point-locations' defined below. 'tp-tools' grouping defined in
   this model supports both proactive and on-demand activation.</pre>
<br>
But unless you provide a draft reference, it doesn't make sense.<br>
I had to check the YANG itself to discover the assigned prefix:<br>
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<pre class=3D"newpage"> import ietf-network {
      prefix nd;
    }</pre>
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And then lookup ietf-network<br>
<br>
- I see a &quot;typedef route-distinguisher&quot; in <a class=3D"moz-txt-li=
nk-freetext" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-rout=
ing-types/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types/</a><br>
It's more complete that your leaf route-distinguisher, uint64.<br>
At this point, I believe you should import it. <br>
There are maybe other types you might want to import.<br>
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&nbsp;<br>
Some new editorial comments:<br>
<span class=3D"insert">- indicatesindicate <br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Generic YANG Data Model for Connectionless Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols
        Authors         : Deepak Kumar
                          Michael Wang
                          Qin Wu
                          Reshad Rahman
                          Srihari Raghavan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-10.txt
	Pages           : 49
	Date            : 2017-09-15

Abstract:
   This document presents a base YANG Data model for connectionless
   Operations Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols.  It
   provides a technology-independent abstraction of key OAM constructs
   for connectionless protocols.  The base model presented here can be
   extended to include technology specific details.  This is leading to
   uniformity between OAM protocols and support both nested OAM
   workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at different or same levels
   through a unified interface) and interacting OAM workflows ( i.e.,
   performing OAM functions at same levels through a unified interface).


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-10

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Retrieval Methods YANG Data Model for Connectionless Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols
        Authors         : Deepak Kumar
                          Michael Wang
                          Qin Wu
                          Reshad Rahman
                          Srihari Raghavan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt
	Pages           : 30
	Date            : 2017-09-15

Abstract:
   This document presents a retrieval method YANG Data model for
   connectionless OAM protocols.  It provides technology-independent RPC
   operations for connectionless OAM protocols.  The retrieval methods
   model presented here can be extended to include technology specific
   details.  This is leading to uniformity between OAM protocols and
   support both nested OAM workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at
   different levels through a unified interface) and interacting OAM
   workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions at same levels through a
   unified interface).


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Dear authors,

Thanks for posting the version 7 of this draft.
There is however an issue to extract your YANG module out the draft.
Can you please check this.
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt#diff0004

$ xym draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt

Extracting 'ietf-connectionless-oam-methods@2017-09-06.yang'
    ERROR: 'draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt', 
Line 1226 - 'module' statement within another module
No models created.
bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/my-id-mirror$

Line 1226 points to

   module example-cl-oam-persistent-methods {
   namespace "http://example.com/cl-oam-persistent-methods";

There is something suspicious around


And a missing } at the end?


Regards, Benoit


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    Dear authors,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for posting the version 7 of this draft.<br>
    There is however an issue to extract your YANG module out the draft.<br>
    Can you please check this.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt#diff0004">https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt#diff0004</a><br>
    <br>
    $ xym draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt <br>
    <br>
    Extracting '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ietf-connectionless-oam-methods@2017-09-06.yang">ietf-connectionless-oam-methods@2017-09-06.yang</a>'<br>
       ERROR: 'draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-07.txt',
    Line 1226 - 'module' statement within another module<br>
    No models created.<br>
    bclaise@bclaise-VirtualBox:~/ietf/my-id-mirror$ <br>
    <br>
    Line 1226 points to<br>
    <br>
      module example-cl-oam-persistent-methods {<br>
      namespace <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://example.com/cl-oam-persistent-methods">"http://example.com/cl-oam-persistent-methods"</a>;<br>
    <br>
    There is something suspicious around<br>
    <img src="cid:part1.52A7072B.117E8026@cisco.com" alt=""><br>
    <br>
    And a missing } at the end?<br>
    <img src="cid:part2.FFB389D9.7F503AA2@cisco.com" alt=""><br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit<br>
    <br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Generic YANG Data Model for Connectionless Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols
        Authors         : Deepak Kumar
                          Michael Wang
                          Qin Wu
                          Reshad Rahman
                          Srihari Raghavan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-11.txt
	Pages           : 49
	Date            : 2017-09-20

Abstract:
   This document presents a base YANG Data model for connectionless
   Operations Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols.  It
   provides a technology-independent abstraction of key OAM constructs
   for connectionless protocols.  The base model presented here can be
   extended to include technology specific details.  This is leading to
   uniformity between OAM protocols and support both nested OAM
   workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at different or same levels
   through a unified interface) and interacting OAM workflows ( i.e.,
   performing OAM functions at same levels through a unified interface).


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This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Retrieval Methods YANG Data Model for Connectionless Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols
        Authors         : Deepak Kumar
                          Michael Wang
                          Qin Wu
                          Reshad Rahman
                          Srihari Raghavan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-08.txt
	Pages           : 31
	Date            : 2017-09-20

Abstract:
   This document presents a retrieval method YANG Data model for
   connectionless OAM protocols.  It provides technology-independent RPC
   operations for connectionless OAM protocols.  The retrieval methods
   model presented here can be extended to include technology specific
   details.  This is leading to uniformity between OAM protocols and
   support both nested OAM workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at
   different levels through a unified interface) and interacting OAM
   workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions at same levels through a
   unified interface).


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Dear All,
I haven't heard from authors of the CL OAM Methods draft response to these
comments.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> below please find my comments to the current version
> of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods draft:
>
>    - Abstract
>       - "... interactive OAM workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions
>       at same levels through a unified interface)." I think that "interactive"
>       does not accurately characterizes the relationship between domains on the
>       same network layer. "Interworking" would be more accurate or, at the
>       minimum, "interacting".
>    -
>
>    OAM Retrieval Methods Hierarchy
>
>    - as noted in comments to draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam,
>       need use case for Test Point of mac-address type;
>       - src-dst-address is not part of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam
>       tp-address grouping. Stale hierarchy?
>       - fec-type is not listed in tp-address grouping either. Another
>       stale element?
>       - tlv-address - same story, stale.
>    -
>
>    OAM Retrieval Methods YANG Module
>
>    - leaf count (number of packets that will be sent) has type uint32 and
>       thus cannot support "forever" mode. I believe support of "forever" mode is
>       important and should be provided;
>
> Summarizing, in my opinion the current version of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods
> is not ready for publication.
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <
> cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear WG,
>>
>> We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting them
>> to our AD.
>>
>> Please see the respective write-ups at:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec
>> tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec
>> tionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos & Ron.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,<div>I haven&#39;t heard from authors of the CL O=
AM Methods draft response to these comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Regar=
ds,</div><div>Greg</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Greg Mirsky <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Dear All,<div>below please find my comments to the current version=
 of=C2=A0draft-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam-methods draft:</div><=
div><ul><li>Abstract</li><ul><li>&quot;... interactive OAM workflows ( i.e.=
, performing OAM functions at same levels through a unified interface).&quo=
t; I think that &quot;interactive&quot; does not accurately characterizes t=
he relationship between domains on the same network layer. &quot;Interworki=
ng&quot; would be more accurate or, at the minimum, &quot;interacting&quot;=
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ont-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span=
 class=3D"m_7572808213157858705gmail-h3" style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:i=
nline;font-size:1em"><h3 style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:=
1em"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-weight=
:normal">OAM Retrieval Methods Hierarchy</span></font></h3></span></pre></l=
i><ul><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">as noted in comments =
to draft-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam, need use case for Test Poi=
nt of mac-address type;</span></font></li><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=
=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-=
space:pre-wrap">src-dst-address is not part of </span></font>draft-ietf-lim=
e-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam tp-address grouping. Stale hierarchy?</li><l=
i>fec-type is not listed in tp-address grouping either. Another stale eleme=
nt?</li><li>tlv-address - same story, stale.</li></ul><li><pre class=3D"m_7=
572808213157858705gmail-newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0p=
x;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class=3D"m_7572808213157858705g=
mail-h2" style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><h2 style=
=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><font face=3D"arial, helv=
etica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-weight:normal">OAM Retrieval Methods=
 YANG Module</span></font></h2></span></pre></li><ul><li><font color=3D"#00=
0000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.333=
3px;white-space:pre-wrap">leaf count (number of packets that will be sent) =
has type uint32 and thus cannot support &quot;forever&quot; mode. I believe=
 support of &quot;forever&quot; mode is important and should be provided;</=
span></font></li></ul></ul><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Summ=
arizing, in my opinion the current version of draft-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>con=
nectionless-oam-methods is not ready for publication.</span></font></div><d=
iv><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></div><div=
><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Regards,</span></font></div><=
div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Greg</span></font></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D=
"">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">cpigna=
ta@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div><div class=3D"h5">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
Dear WG,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting t=
hem to our AD.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see the respective write-ups at:</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/<=
/a></div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam-methods/s=
hepherdw<wbr>riteup/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos &amp; Ron.</div>
</div>

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Hi Srihari, et. al,
I'd appreciate your response to my comments. I think that we have not yet
converged on too many of my comments.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Srihari and Authors,
> thank you for your consideration of the comments. I'm glad that we're
> converging and some will be reflected in the next version. But some, in m=
y
> view, still remain open and require more discussion. Please find my
> follow-up notes in-line and tagged GIM>>.
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Srihari Raghavan (srihari) <
> srihari@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Greg
>>
>> Thank you very much for your time and comments.  Pl. find collective
>> responses from authors below inline for the base draft below.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Authors
>>
>> From: Lime <lime-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Mirsky <
>> gregimirsky@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 at 6:27 PM
>> To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
>> Cc: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" <bclaise@cisco.com>, "lime@ietf.org" <
>> lime@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Lime] Progress on LIME Connectionless documents
>>
>> rentiate Dear WG Chairs, WG Responsible AD and members if LIME WG expert
>> community,
>> please find my comments to both documents below.
>>
>> Major:
>>
>>    - OAM protocols address 'F' and 'P' of the FCAPS, i.e. Fault
>>    Management and Performance Monitoring. The defined models address onl=
y
>>    Fault Management part leaving the performance measurement protocols, =
e.g.
>>    RFC 6374, RFC 6375 out side their scope. I suggest to clarify and upd=
ate
>>    titles by including "Fault Management OAM" in.
>>
>> [Carlos] It=E2=80=99s true that, from FCAPS (from the OSI Management fun=
ctional
>> areas [X.700 (09/92)]), OAM generally covers F and P *on the dataplalne
>> only*. However, the IETF refers for example to BFD as an OAM protocol (n=
ot
>> as an =E2=80=9CF-only data-plane-only OAM protocol=E2=80=9D.  There are =
a number of
>> timestamps, delays, etc., in this specification for example in
>> the path-trace-info, jitter statistics, etc. Those are =E2=80=9CP=E2=80=
=9D.  To me, the
>> title seems adequately scoped.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Authors] Echoing Carlos comments, the authors feel that the title
>> adequately covers the scope under FCAPS and also covers it in a broad an=
d
>> generic way to allow extensions to be added later on as needed.
>>
> draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam:
>>
>>    - Introduction:
>>       - I cannot agree with the explanation of what differentiates
>>       connection-oriented network domain from connectionless, as differe=
nce of
>>       arranging network vs. without the prior arrangement. I'll point th=
at
>>       signalling IP/MPLS LSP is the prerequisite of availability of the =
path even
>>       though IP/MPLS LSP is, in general, an example of connectionless do=
main.
>>
>> [Authors]  Authors feel that the text is adequate as we have specificall=
y
>> referenced RFC 7276, which defines connectionless OAM as =E2=80=9Cdata i=
s typically
>> sent between end points without prior arrangement=E2=80=9D and we would =
like to
>> point out that the word =E2=80=9Ctypically=E2=80=9D covers a broad range=
 of connectionless
>> OAM and allows for exceptions as you point out.  The text captures the
>> dominant aspects.
>>
> GIM>>  I don't find any definition of connectionless, in our case
> connectionless packet switching, network in RFC 7276. The quote is an
> observation not a definition. Compare it with G.800 that does provide cle=
ar
> definition of connectionless network in section 6.3.1 by comparing
> destination forwarding with channel forwarding. I've attached copy of G.8=
00
> in case.
>
>>
>>    - Section 3:
>>       - the section is the first reference to the grouping
>>       tp-address-vrf. Though local test point (TP) may be associated wit=
h the
>>       particular vrf identity, none of OAM protocols, e.g. IP ping, LSP =
ping or
>>       BFD carry VRF identity. Thus using vrf as part of tp-address-vrf g=
rouping
>>       in container dest-test-point of path-discovery-data grouping and o=
f
>>       continuity-check-data, or path-trace-info-list is problematic at t=
he very
>>       minimum;
>>
>> [Authors] Respectfully disagree.  To clarify, VRF-based pings are surely
>> possible and the document is not suggesting that VRF be carried in the
>> packets.  The field exists to convey the VRF information for the RPC.
>>
> GIM>> I don't think that adding elements to OAM data model  "just in case=
"
> is right approach. If and when new mechanism, e.g. VRF-based ping, will b=
e
> defined, then it can augment the model accordingly. Perhaps you can help
> understand what is role of tp-address-vrf in:
>
>>
>>    - container dest-test-point of grouping path-discovery-data
>>    - container dest-test-point of grouping continuity-check-data
>>
>>
>>    -
>>       - the connectionless-oam-layers grouping does present serious
>>       problem, in my opinion. Obviously, there may be more than three la=
yers in
>>       the network and lower layer(s) well could be not connectionless bu=
t
>>       connection-oriented OAM domain. Additionally, source and destinati=
on TPs
>>       will always be on the same network layer, so that use of the
>>       connectionless-oam-layers in test-point-location-info is not warra=
nted in
>>       my view.
>>
>> [Authors]:The level parameter is used to stitching two adjacent test
>> point and is not used for indicating how to exchange OAM message between
>> any two test points. Level is not carried in the OAM protocol.  Source
>> and destination TPs should not be at different layer, but two adjacent T=
Ps
>> can be at different layers.
>>
>> If there are two adjacent TPs are at different layers, we should not
>> allow traceroute or ping to be exchanged between them, since we don=E2=
=80=99t see
>> any cross-layer OAM mechanism to be standardized in the IETF.  In
>> overlay/underlay cases, two overlay nodes should be located at the same
>> layer. But we don=E2=80=99t support sending one OAM message from one und=
erlay node
>> to overlay node.
>>
> GIM>> The description states:
>
>          "List of related oam layers.
>                  0 means they are in same level, especially
>                  interworking scenarios of stiching multiple
>                  technology at same layer. -1 means server layer,
>                  for eg:- in case of Overlay and Underlay,
>                  Underlay is server layer for Overlay Test Point.
>                  +1 means client layer, for eg:- in case of
>                  Service OAM and Transport OAM, Service OAM is client
>                  layer to Transport OAM.";
>
> What you describe is peer-to-peer relationship, while the description use=
s
> client/server terminology. I think that it needs re-work or may be remove=
d
> altogether.
> And as example of OAM mechanism that traverses overlay and underlay I
> point to draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute.
>
>>
>>    - Section 3.3
>>       - the section attempts to give extended example of how the
>>       connectionless-oam-layers may have value other than the default 0.=
 I think
>>       that it is more confusing than without it. Administrative domains =
on the
>>       same layer interact as peers and thus cannot and should not be ref=
erring to
>>       each other as server-client. If the network tunneled through the p=
articular
>>       domain, then the tunnel, on that layer, is presented as single hop=
. True,
>>       the tunnel in that domain may have transport OAM with notification=
 to the
>>       edge TPs of the network OAM. But that transport OAM would not be p=
art of
>>       the network OAM and access to it, in my view, could be only throug=
h state
>>       of multi-layer OAM where each layer is indexed and relationships b=
etween
>>       TPs identified by these indexes.
>>
>> [Authors] Respectfully disagree.  We just can=E2=80=99t take the example=
 of
>> service provider deployment, which has multiple vendors deploying the
>> solution, but take an example of MSDC deployment in which one company
>> manages the end to end network with multiple PODs, connected via spine o=
r
>> border leaf using multiple L2/L3 technologies.  In this scenario, there =
is
>> an relationship between the transport, host and also the overlay.  Even =
in
>> the case of SP, deploying L2 overlay technology to test a host from the
>> network leaf is a reality.  In this scenario, OAM packets does not leak =
out
>> the overlay network, but OAM is done on the basis of host VRF and host M=
AC
>> or IP address.  This is required because network operator does not even
>> know where the host is attached and that he has to do host-based dest TP
>> OAM.  In this scenario, if we do a trace route, it can fail in underlay
>> which is in a different VRF (default e.g..,) compared to that of the hos=
t.
>>
> GIM>> Sorry, but I don't see relevance between my comment and your answer=
.
> Please re-read my original comment and let me know if you have any
> questions, need clarification and I'll be glad to help you.
>
>>
>>    - Section 4
>>       - I have many questions to the choice of TP types:
>>          - what is the difference, from OAM point, between unicast IP
>>          address and multicast/group IP address, whether IPv4 or IPv6.
>>
>> [Authors]: I think multicast/group IP address is targeted to a set of
>> host while unicast IP address is targeted to a single host.
>>
>> Instead of defining ip-multicast-group-address in CL OAM model draft, we
>> can refer to ip-multicast-group-address defined in
>> draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types-06.  Let us know.
>>
> GIM>> Avoiding re-definition is good practice but I've asked about
> different aspect, about why the model differentiates between unicast and
> multicast IP addresses even though I don't see difference if, for example=
,
> MAC being used. CCM and Linktrace, AFAIK, does use multicast group addres=
s
> 01-80-C2-00-00-3y with 0-7 used by CCM and 8-F - by Linktrace. And how in
> the regard you've mentioned behavior of multicast address is different fr=
om
> one with broadcast address?
>
>>
>>    -
>>       -
>>          - I think that inclusion of MAC as MP address type in
>>          connectionless OAM would benefit from more explanation, use cas=
e. TRILL?
>>          AFAIK, in TRILL ping is used to ping RBridge, not MAC. What is/=
are use
>>          case(s) for MAC as MP address in connectionless OAM model?
>>
>> [Authors] The use-case behind the inclusion is as follows.  Trace route
>> MAC on VLAN x from leaf node which are starting overlay tunnels.  In thi=
s
>> scenario, OAM automatically finds the right overlay peer [in MSDC
>> environment =E2=80=93 needs multiple RIB commands] and send OAM packets =
towards
>> overlay carrying the host information in the payload.
>>
>>    -
>>       -
>>          -
>>
>>          ip-prefix-address-type referenced only once as identity and doe=
sn't appear anywhere as use case. Is it stale type of MP address?
>>
>>
>> [Authors] Added here for future use, but can be removed at present.
>>
>>    -
>>       -
>>          -
>>
>>          tunnel-address-type, as above, referenced only once as identity=
  and does look as stale MP address type;
>>
>>
>> [Authors] Added here for future use, but can be removed at present.
>>
>>    -
>>       -
>>          -
>>
>>          I think that there's disconnect between type definition of leaf=
 route-distinguisher as unit32 and the description that states:
>>
>>
>> [Authors] Thank you. Will fix.
>>
>> Route Distinguisher is an 8 octets identifier
>>
>> used to distinguish information about variousL2VPN advertised by a node.
>>
>> [Authors] Thank you. Will fix.
>>
>>
>>    - type definition of sender-ve-id and receiver-ve-id may be changed f=
rom uint32 to uint16 since both parameters are, as noted in respective desc=
riptions, two octets long;
>>
>> [Authors] Thank you. Will fix.
>>
>>
>>    - what is the source of queue-depth, Length of the egress interface q=
ueue of the interface", as explained in the description. Firstly, not sure =
what "egress interface" of the interface is. Secondly, is this static or dy=
namic information? If the former, then there's no need to include it in pat=
h-trace-info;
>>
>> [Authors] Will fix description.  It essentially means the length of the
>> queue of the interface from where the packet is forwarded out.  The queu=
e
>> depth could be the current number of memory buffers used by the queue wh=
ere
>> a packet can consume one or more memory buffers depending on size.
>> Essentially device-level troubleshooting information.
>>
>>
>>    - the transit-delay, as explained in the description, reflects reside=
nce time. What OAM protocols, e.g. traceroute, LSP Ping, provide residence =
time?
>>          - what is the purpose of app-meta-data in path-trace-info conta=
iner?
>>
>> [Authors] Residence time as explained in your draft (Link
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-15>) and
>> carried via G-Ach RTM message, specifies the cumulative end-to-end time
>> spent transiting the nodes from ingress to egress, while transit-delay
>> reflects the per-device delay seen in the path.  This transit-delay coul=
d
>> be accumulated and collated to provide the residence time as well.
>>
> [Authors] App-meta-data is meant for application specific data that is a
>> placeholder for extensions that can include application defined data.
>>
> GIM>> Not sure how uint64 is useful here.
>
>>
>>    - what is the reason to differentiate between IPv4 and IPv6 continuit=
y check session statistics if both cases end up using cc-session-statistics=
.
>>
>> [Authors] To provide granularity in reporting statistics differentiated
>> on an address-family basis.  This can be made coarse-grained, but could =
be
>> useful in the present way to deployments.
>>
> GIM>> Such as ...?
>
>
>> Summarizing, I believe that draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam is n=
ot ready for publication.
>>
>> I'll work on reviewing draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods a=
nd will share my comments with you all.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <
>> cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear WG,
>>>
>>> We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting
>>> them to our AD.
>>>
>>> Please see the respective write-ups at:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec
>>> tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec
>>> tionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Carlos & Ron.
>>>
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>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Srihari, et. al,<div>I&#39;d appreciate your response t=
o my comments. I think that we have not yet converged on too many of my com=
ments.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4=
:42 PM, Greg Mirsky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Srihari and Authors,<div>t=
hank you for your consideration of the comments. I&#39;m glad that we&#39;r=
e converging and some will be reflected in the next version. But some, in m=
y view, still remain open and require more discussion. Please find my follo=
w-up notes in-line and tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards=
,</div><div>Greg</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><span class=3D"">On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Srihari Raghavan (s=
rihari) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srihari@cisco.com" target=
=3D"_blank">srihari@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hi Greg</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thank you very much for your time and comme=
nts.=C2=A0 Pl. find collective responses from authors below inline for the =
base draft below.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thanks</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Authors</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:blac=
k;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-bottom=
-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-col=
or:rgb(181,196,223);border-right-color:initial">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lime &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:li=
me-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, 19 July 2017 at 6:=
27 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;Carlos Pignataro (cpignat=
a)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">cpigna=
ta@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;Benoit Claise (bclaise)&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">bclaise@cis=
co.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">li=
me@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">lime@ietf.org</a>&gt;<span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-"><br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Lime] Progress on LIM=
E Connectionless documents<br>
</span></div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">rentiate Dear WG Chairs, WG Responsible AD and members if =
LIME WG expert community,
<div>please find my comments to both documents below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Major:</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>OAM protocols address &#39;F&#39; and &#39;P&#39; of the FCAPS, i.e. Fa=
ult Management and Performance Monitoring. The defined models address only =
Fault Management part leaving the performance measurement protocols, e.g. R=
FC 6374, RFC 6375 out side their scope. I suggest
 to clarify and update titles by including &quot;Fault Management OAM&quot;=
 in.</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></span>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style=3D"font-family:-webkit-standard">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard=
,serif;color:blue">[Carlos] It=E2=80=99s true that, from FCAPS (from the OS=
I Management functional areas [X.700 (09/92)]), OAM generally covers F and =
P *on the dataplalne only*. However,
 the IETF refers for example to BFD as an OAM protocol (not as an =E2=80=9C=
F-only data-plane-only OAM protocol=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 There are a number of t=
imestamps, delays, etc., in this specification for example in the=C2=A0path=
-trace-info, jitter statistics, etc. Those are =E2=80=9CP=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 T=
o me,
 the title seems adequately scoped.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:-webkit-standard">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard=
,serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:-webkit-standard">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard=
,serif;color:blue">[Authors] Echoing Carlos comments, the authors feel that=
 the title adequately covers the scope under FCAPS and also covers it in a =
broad and generic way to allow
 extensions to be added later on as needed.</span></p></div></div></div></b=
lockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"w=
ord-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style=3D"font-family:-webkit-standard">
</div>
</div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div>draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectio<wbr>nless-oam:<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>Introduction:
<ul>
<li>I cannot agree with the explanation of what differentiates connection-o=
riented network domain from connectionless, as difference of arranging netw=
ork vs. without the prior arrangement. I&#39;ll point that signalling IP/MP=
LS LSP is the prerequisite of availability
 of the path even though IP/MPLS LSP is, in general, an example of connecti=
onless domain.</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[=
Authors] =C2=A0Authors feel that the text is adequate as we have specifical=
ly referenced RFC 7276, which defines connectionless OAM as =E2=80=9Cdata i=
s typically sent between end points without prior
 arrangement=E2=80=9D and we would like to point out that the word =E2=80=
=9Ctypically=E2=80=9D covers a broad range of connectionless OAM and allows=
 for exceptions as you point out.=C2=A0 The text captures the dominant aspe=
cts.</span></div></div></blockquote></span><div>GIM&gt;&gt; =C2=A0I don&#39=
;t find any definition of connectionless, in our case connectionless packet=
 switching, network in RFC 7276. The quote is an observation not a definiti=
on. Compare it with G.800 that does provide clear definition of connectionl=
ess network in section 6.3.1 by comparing destination forwarding with chann=
el forwarding. I&#39;ve attached copy of G.800 in case.</div><span class=3D=
""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wra=
p:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class=3D"=
m_2553215905661100149gmail-">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<ul>
<li>Section 3:
<ul>
<li>the section is the first reference to the grouping tp-address-vrf. Thou=
gh local test point (TP) may be associated with the particular vrf identity=
, none of OAM protocols, e.g. IP ping, LSP ping or BFD carry VRF identity. =
Thus using vrf as part of tp-address-vrf
 grouping in container dest-test-point of path-discovery-data grouping and =
of continuity-check-data, or path-trace-info-list is problematic at the ver=
y minimum;</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style=3D"font-family:-webkit-standard">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if;color:blue">[Authors] Respectfully disagree.=C2=A0 To clarify, VRF-based=
 pings are surely possible and the document is not suggesting that VRF be c=
arried in the packets.=C2=A0 The field
 exists to convey the VRF information for the RPC.</span></p></div></div></=
div></blockquote></span><div>GIM&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t think that adding elem=
ents to OAM data model =C2=A0&quot;just in case&quot; is right approach. If=
 and when new mechanism, e.g. VRF-based ping, will be defined, then it can =
augment the model accordingly. Perhaps you can help understand what is role=
 of tp-address-vrf in:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style=3D"font-family:-webkit=
-standard"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-siz=
e:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:-webkit-standard">
<div></div>
</div>
</div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<ul><li>container dest-test-point of grouping path-discovery-data</li><li>c=
ontainer dest-test-point of grouping continuity-check-data=C2=A0</li></ul><=
/div></div></div></div></span></span></div></blockquote><span class=3D""><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:bre=
ak-word"><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-"><span id=3D"m_25532159=
05661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><ul>
<li style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px=
">
<ul>
<li>the connectionless-oam-layers grouping does present serious problem, in=
 my opinion. Obviously, there may be more than three layers in the network =
and lower layer(s) well could be not connectionless but connection-oriented=
 OAM domain. Additionally, source
 and destination TPs will always be on the same network layer, so that use =
of the connectionless-oam-layers in test-point-location-info is not warrant=
ed in my view.</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<font color=3D"#0000ff"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif">[Authors]:The level parameter is used to stitch=
ing two adjacent test point and is not used for indicating how to exchange =
OAM message between any two test
 points. Level is not carried in the OAM protocol. =C2=A0S</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt">ource and destination=
 TPs should not be at different layer, but two adjacent TPs can be at diffe=
rent layers.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<font color=3D"#0000ff"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If there are two adjacent TPs are at different =
layers, we should not allow traceroute or ping to be exchanged between them=
, since we don=E2=80=99t see any cross-layer
 OAM mechanism to be standardized in the IETF. =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt">In overlay/underlay cases,=
 two overlay nodes should be located at the same layer. But we don=E2=80=99=
t support sending one OAM message from one
 underlay node to overlay node.</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><=
/span><div>GIM&gt;&gt; The description states:</div><pre class=3D"m_2553215=
905661100149gmail-newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;marg=
in-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">         &quot;List of related oam layers.
                 0 means they are in same level, especially
                 interworking scenarios of stiching multiple
                 technology at same layer. -1 means server layer,
                 for eg:- in case of Overlay and Underlay,
                 Underlay is server layer for Overlay Test Point.
                 +1 means client layer, for eg:- in case of
                 Service OAM and Transport OAM, Service OAM is client
                 layer to Transport OAM.&quot;;
</pre><div>What you describe is peer-to-peer relationship, while the descri=
ption uses client/server terminology. I think that it needs re-work or may =
be removed altogether.</div><div>And as example of OAM mechanism that trave=
rses overlay and underlay I point to draft-nordmark-nvo3-<wbr>transcending-=
traceroute.=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
</div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<ul>
<li>Section 3.3
<ul>
<li>the section attempts to give extended example of how the connectionless=
-oam-layers may have value other than the default 0. I think that it is mor=
e confusing than without it. Administrative domains on the same layer inter=
act as peers and thus cannot and
 should not be referring to each other as server-client. If the network tun=
neled through the particular domain, then the tunnel, on that layer, is pre=
sented as single hop. True, the tunnel in that domain may have transport OA=
M with notification to the edge
 TPs of the network OAM. But that transport OAM would not be part of the ne=
twork OAM and access to it, in my view, could be only through state of mult=
i-layer OAM where each layer is indexed and relationships between TPs ident=
ified by these indexes.</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors]=C2=A0Respectfully disagree.=C2=A0 We =
just can=E2=80=99t take the example of service provider deployment, which h=
as multiple vendors deploying the solution, but take an example of MSDC dep=
loyment in which one company manages
 the end to end network with multiple PODs, connected via spine or border l=
eaf using multiple L2/L3 technologies.=C2=A0 In this scenario, there is an =
relationship between the transport, host and also the overlay.=C2=A0 Even i=
n the case of SP, deploying L2 overlay technology
 to test a host from the network leaf is a reality.=C2=A0 In this scenario,=
 OAM packets does not leak out the overlay network, but OAM is done on the =
basis of host VRF and host MAC or IP address.=C2=A0 This is required becaus=
e network operator does not even know where
 the host is attached and that he has to do host-based dest TP OAM.=C2=A0 I=
n this scenario, if we do a trace route, it can fail in underlay which is i=
n a different VRF (default e.g..,) compared to that of the host.</span></di=
v></div></blockquote></span><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Sorry, but I don&#39;t see rel=
evance between my comment and your answer. Please re-read my original comme=
nt and let me know if you have any questions, need clarification and I&#39;=
ll be glad to help you.=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span class=
=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<ul>
<li>Section 4
<ul>
<li>I have many questions to the choice of TP types:
<ul>
<li>what is the difference, from OAM point, between unicast IP address and =
multicast/group IP address, whether IPv4 or IPv6.</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if"><font color=3D"#0000ff">[Authors]: I think multicast/group IP address i=
s targeted to a set of host while unicast IP address is targeted to a singl=
e host.<u></u><u></u></font></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if"><font color=3D"#0000ff">Instead of defining ip-multicast-group-address =
in CL OAM model draft, we can refer to ip-multicast-group-address defined i=
n draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types<wbr>-06.
 =C2=A0Let us know.</font></span></p></div></div></blockquote></span><div>G=
IM&gt;&gt; Avoiding re-definition is good practice but I&#39;ve asked about=
 different aspect, about why the model differentiates between unicast and m=
ulticast IP addresses even though I don&#39;t see difference if, for exampl=
e, MAC being used. CCM and Linktrace, AFAIK, does use multicast group addre=
ss 01-80-C2-00-00-3y with 0-7 used by CCM and 8-F - by Linktrace.=C2=A0And =
how in the regard you&#39;ve mentioned behavior of multicast address is dif=
ferent from one with broadcast address?</div><span class=3D""><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
</div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>I think that inclusion of MAC as MP address type in connectionless OAM =
would benefit from more explanation, use case. TRILL? AFAIK, in TRILL ping =
is used to ping RBridge, not MAC. What is/are use case(s) for MAC as MP add=
ress in connectionless OAM model?</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] The use-case behind the inclusion is =
as follows.=C2=A0 Trace route MAC on VLAN x from leaf node which are starti=
ng overlay tunnels.=C2=A0 In this scenario, OAM automatically finds the rig=
ht overlay peer [in MSDC environment
 =E2=80=93 needs multiple RIB commands] and send OAM packets towards overla=
y carrying the host information in the payload.</span></div><span class=3D"=
m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0=
,0,0)"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ip-prefix-address-type ref=
erenced only once as identity and doesn&#39;t appear anywhere as use case. =
Is it stale type of MP address?</font></pre>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Added here for future use, but can be=
 removed at present.</span></div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-=
" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div>
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<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0=
,0,0)"><pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-=
newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><fo=
nt face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">tunnel-address-type, as above, refer=
enced only once as identity  and does look as stale MP address type;</font>=
</pre></pre>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Added here for future use, but can be=
 removed at present.</span></div><span class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-=
" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
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<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<ul>
<li>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><font face=
=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I think that there&#39;s disconnect between=
 type definition of leaf route-distinguisher as unit32 and the description =
that states:</font></pre>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Thank you. Will fix.</span></div><spa=
n class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
<div>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0=
,0,0)"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Route Distinguisher is an =
8 octets identifier</font></pre>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><pre class=3D"m_25532159056611=
00149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fo=
nt-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><font face=3D"arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif">used to distinguish information about various</font><fon=
t face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">L2VPN advertised by a node.</font></p=
re></pre>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Thank you. Will fix.</span></div><spa=
n class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><pre class=3D"m_25532159056611=
00149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;marg=
in-bottom:0px"><ul><ul><ul><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">type definition of send=
er-ve-id and receiver-ve-id may be changed from uint32 to uint16 since both=
 parameters are, as noted in respective descriptions, two octets long;</spa=
n></font></li></ul></ul></ul></pre></pre>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Thank you. Will fix.</span></div><spa=
n class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div>
<div>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><pre class=3D"m_25532159056611=
00149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;marg=
in-bottom:0px"><ul><ul><ul><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">what is the source of q=
ueue-depth, Length of the egress interface queue of the interface&quot;, as=
 explained in the description. Firstly, not sure what &quot;egress interfac=
e&quot; of the interface is. Secondly, is this static or dynamic informatio=
n? If the former, then there&#39;s no need to include it in path-trace-info=
;</span></font></li></ul></ul></ul></pre></pre>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Will fix description.=C2=A0 It essent=
ially means the length of the queue of the interface from where the packet =
is forwarded out.=C2=A0 The queue depth could be the current number of memo=
ry buffers used by the queue
 where a packet can consume one or more memory buffers depending on size.=
=C2=A0 Essentially device-level troubleshooting information.</span></div><s=
pan class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><pre class=3D"m_25532159056611=
00149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;marg=
in-bottom:0px"><ul><ul><ul><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">the transit-delay, as e=
xplained in the description, reflects residence time. What OAM protocols, e=
.g. traceroute, LSP Ping, provide residence time?</span></font></li><li><fo=
nt color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:13.3333px">what is the purpose of </span></font><font face=3D"arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif">app-meta-data in path-trace-info container?</font></l=
i></ul></ul></ul></pre></pre>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] Residence time as explained in your d=
raft (</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-residen=
ce-time-15" style=3D"color:purple" target=3D"_blank">Link</a><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(0,0,255)">) and carried via
 G-Ach RTM message, specifies the cumulative end-to-end time spent transiti=
ng the nodes from ingress to egress, while transit-delay reflects the per-d=
evice delay seen in the path.=C2=A0 This transit-delay could be accumulated=
 and collated to provide the residence
 time as well.</span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] App-meta-data is meant for application speci=
fic data that is a placeholder for extensions that can include application =
defined data.</span></div></div></blockquote></span><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Not su=
re how=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px">uint64 is =
useful here.</span>=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span class=3D"m=
_2553215905661100149gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><pre class=3D"m_25532159056611=
00149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;marg=
in-bottom:0px"><ul><ul><ul><li><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">wh=
at is the reason to differentiate between IPv4 and IPv6 continuity check se=
ssion statistics if both cases end up using cc-session-statistics.</font></=
li></ul></ul></ul></pre></pre>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</span><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)">[Authors] To provide granularity in reporting s=
tatistics differentiated on an address-family basis.=C2=A0 This can be made=
 coarse-grained, but could be useful in the present way to deployments.</sp=
an></div></div></blockquote></span><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Such as ...?</div><span=
 class=3D""><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span class=3D"m_255321590566110014=
9gmail-" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<span id=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285OLK_SRC_BODY_SE=
CTION" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>
<div>
<pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><pre class=3D"m_25532159056611=
00149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;marg=
in-bottom:0px"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Summarizing, I bel=
ieve that draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectio<wbr>nless-oam is not ready for pub=
lication.</font></pre><pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181=
854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><font fa=
ce=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I&#39;ll work on reviewing draft-ietf-lim=
e-yang-connectio<wbr>nless-oam-methods and will share my comments with you =
all.</font></pre><pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_847545518185400=
1285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><font face=3D=
"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></pre><pre class=3D"m_2553215905661=
100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-newpage" style=3D"margin-top:0px;mar=
gin-bottom:0px"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards,</font></=
pre><pre class=3D"m_2553215905661100149gmail-m_8475455181854001285gmail-new=
page" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><font face=3D"arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Greg</font></pre></pre>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos Pignata=
ro (cpignata)
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear WG,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting t=
hem to our AD.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see the respective write-ups at:</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/<=
/a></div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam-methods/s=
hepherdw<wbr>riteup/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos &amp; Ron.</div>
</div>
<br>
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Hi Greg

The latest draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-con=
nectionless-oam-methods/) has addressed the first two comments w.r.t Abstra=
ct and OAM retrieval methods hierarchy.

Regarding the 'leaf count', can you please clarify as to what datatype you =
are suggesting for the 'forever' mode?

Thanks
Srihari

From: Lime <lime-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com<mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>
Date: Saturday, 23 September 2017 at 12:39 AM
To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com<mailto:cpignata@cisco=
.com>>
Cc: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" <bclaise@cisco.com<mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>>=
, "lime@ietf.org<mailto:lime@ietf.org>" <lime@ietf.org<mailto:lime@ietf.org=
>>
Subject: Re: [Lime] Progress on LIME Connectionless documents

Dear All,
I haven't heard from authors of the CL OAM Methods draft response to these =
comments.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com<mailto:=
gregimirsky@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear All,
below please find my comments to the current version of draft-ietf-lime-yan=
g-connectionless-oam-methods draft:

  *   Abstract
     *   "... interactive OAM workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions at=
 same levels through a unified interface)." I think that "interactive" does=
 not accurately characterizes the relationship between domains on the same =
network layer. "Interworking" would be more accurate or, at the minimum, "i=
nteracting".
  *

OAM Retrieval Methods Hierarchy

     *   as noted in comments to draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam, n=
eed use case for Test Point of mac-address type;
     *   src-dst-address is not part of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless=
-oam tp-address grouping. Stale hierarchy?
     *   fec-type is not listed in tp-address grouping either. Another stal=
e element?
     *   tlv-address - same story, stale.
  *

OAM Retrieval Methods YANG Module

     *   leaf count (number of packets that will be sent) has type uint32 a=
nd thus cannot support "forever" mode. I believe support of "forever" mode =
is important and should be provided;

Summarizing, in my opinion the current version of draft-ietf-lime-yang-conn=
ectionless-oam-methods is not ready for publication.

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <cpignata@cis=
co.com<mailto:cpignata@cisco.com>> wrote:
Dear WG,

We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting them t=
o our AD.

Please see the respective write-ups at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam/sh=
epherdwriteup/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-me=
thods/shepherdwriteup/

Thanks,

Carlos & Ron.

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<div>Hi Greg</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The latest draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie=
tf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
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st two comments w.r.t Abstract and
 OAM retrieval methods hierarchy.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Regarding the &#8216;leaf count&#8217;, can you please clarify as to w=
hat datatype you are suggesting for the &#8216;forever&#8217; mode?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Srihari</div>
<div><br>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lime &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:li=
me-bounces@ietf.org">lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Greg Mirsky=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, 23 September 2017 a=
t 12:39 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;Carlos Pignataro (cpignat=
a)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&g=
t;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;Benoit Claise (bclaise)&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">bclaise@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &q=
uot;<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Lime] Progress on LIM=
E Connectionless documents<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,
<div>I haven't heard from authors of the CL OAM Methods draft response to t=
hese comments.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Greg</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Greg Mirsky <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,
<div>below please find my comments to the current version of&nbsp;draft-iet=
f-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam-methods draft:</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>Abstract
<ul>
<li>&quot;... interactive OAM workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions at=
 same levels through a unified interface).&quot; I think that &quot;interac=
tive&quot; does not accurately characterizes the relationship between domai=
ns on the same network layer. &quot;Interworking&quot; would be
 more accurate or, at the minimum, &quot;interacting&quot;.</li></ul>
</li><li>
<pre class=3D"m_7572808213157858705gmail-newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.333=
3px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class=3D"m_757=
2808213157858705gmail-h3" style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size=
:1em"><h3 style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><font face=
=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-weight:normal">OAM Retr=
ieval Methods Hierarchy</span></font></h3></span></pre>
<ul>
<li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">as noted in comments to draft=
-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam, need use case for Test Point of ma=
c-address type;</span></font></li><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-w=
rap">src-dst-address is not part of
</span></font>draft-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam tp-address group=
ing. Stale hierarchy?</li><li>fec-type is not listed in tp-address grouping=
 either. Another stale element?</li><li>tlv-address - same story, stale.</l=
i></ul>
</li><li>
<pre class=3D"m_7572808213157858705gmail-newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.333=
3px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class=3D"m_757=
2808213157858705gmail-h2" style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size=
:1em"><h2 style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><font face=
=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-weight:normal">OAM Retr=
ieval Methods YANG Module</span></font></h2></span></pre>
<ul>
<li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">leaf count (number of packets=
 that will be sent) has type uint32 and thus cannot support &quot;forever&q=
uot; mode. I believe support of &quot;forever&quot; mode is
 important and should be provided;</span></font></li></ul>
</li></ul>
<font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"=
font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Summarizing, in my opinion the cu=
rrent version of draft-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam-methods is no=
t ready for publication.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Regards,</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Greg</span></font></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 P=
M, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear WG,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting t=
hem to our AD.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see the respective write-ups at:</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/<=
/a></div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam-methods/s=
hepherdw<wbr>riteup/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos &amp; Ron.</div>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
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Hi Shrihari,
thank you fr your prompt response. I'll review the latest version and let
you know if I agree with the changes.
As for "forever" I can suggest the following example from TWAMP Light data
model

         leaf number-of-packets {
           type union {
                type uint32 {
                        range 1..4294967294 {
                                description
                                "The overall number of UDP test packet
                                to be transmitted by the sender for this
                                test session";
                        }
                }
                type enumeration {
                        enum forever {
                                description
                                "Indicates that the test session SHALL
                                be run *forever*.";
                        }
                }
           }
           default 10;
           description
           "This value determines if the TWAMP-Test session is
              bound by number of test packets or not.";
         }

then, if needed, you may check whether number-of-packets equals or not to
"forever", e.g.

         leaf session-timeout {
            when "../number-of-packets !=3D 'forever'" {
                description
                "Test session timeout only valid if the
                test mode is periodic.";
           }
           type uint32;
           units "seconds";
           default 900;
           description
           "The timeout value for the Session-Sender to
           collect outstanding reflected packets.";
         }

or

         leaf measurement-interval {
           when "../number-of-packets =3D 'forever'" {
                description
                "Valid only when the test to run forever,
                i.e. continuously.";
           }
           type uint32;
           units "seconds";
           default 60;
           description
           "Interval to calculate performance metric when
                 the test mode is 'continuous'.";
            }


Let me know if you have more questions.

Regards,
Greg


On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Srihari Raghavan (srihari) <
srihari@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Greg
>
> The latest draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-
> connectionless-oam-methods/) has addressed the first two comments w.r.t
> Abstract and OAM retrieval methods hierarchy.
>
> Regarding the =E2=80=98leaf count=E2=80=99, can you please clarify as to =
what datatype you
> are suggesting for the =E2=80=98forever=E2=80=99 mode?
>
> Thanks
> Srihari
>
> From: Lime <lime-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Mirsky <
> gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, 23 September 2017 at 12:39 AM
> To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
> Cc: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" <bclaise@cisco.com>, "lime@ietf.org" <
> lime@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lime] Progress on LIME Connectionless documents
>
> Dear All,
> I haven't heard from authors of the CL OAM Methods draft response to thes=
e
> comments.
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>> below please find my comments to the current version
>> of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods draft:
>>
>>    - Abstract
>>       - "... interactive OAM workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions
>>       at same levels through a unified interface)." I think that "intera=
ctive"
>>       does not accurately characterizes the relationship between domains=
 on the
>>       same network layer. "Interworking" would be more accurate or, at t=
he
>>       minimum, "interacting".
>>    -
>>
>>    OAM Retrieval Methods Hierarchy
>>
>>    - as noted in comments to draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam,
>>       need use case for Test Point of mac-address type;
>>       - src-dst-address is not part of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionle=
ss-oam
>>       tp-address grouping. Stale hierarchy?
>>       - fec-type is not listed in tp-address grouping either. Another
>>       stale element?
>>       - tlv-address - same story, stale.
>>    -
>>
>>    OAM Retrieval Methods YANG Module
>>
>>    - leaf count (number of packets that will be sent) has type uint32
>>       and thus cannot support "forever" mode. I believe support of "fore=
ver" mode
>>       is important and should be provided;
>>
>> Summarizing, in my opinion the current version of
>> draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods is not ready for
>> publication.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Greg
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <
>> cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear WG,
>>>
>>> We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting
>>> them to our AD.
>>>
>>> Please see the respective write-ups at:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec
>>> tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec
>>> tionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Carlos & Ron.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lime mailing list
>>> Lime@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Shrihari,<div>thank you fr your prompt response. I&#39;=
ll review the latest version and let you know if I agree with the changes.<=
/div><div>As for &quot;forever&quot; I can suggest the following example fr=
om TWAMP Light data model</div><div><pre style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;ove=
rflow:auto;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;,Monaco,monospace;font-size:14px;=
padding:10px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10.5px;line-height:1.214;color:rg=
b(0,0,0);word-break:break-all;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:rgb(255=
,253,245);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-radius:4px"><pre style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;,Mon=
aco,monospace;padding:10px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10.5px;line-height:=
1.214;word-break:break-all;word-wrap:break-word;border:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);border-radius:4px">         leaf number-of-packets {
           type union {
                type uint32 {
                        range 1..4294967294 {
                                description
                                &quot;The overall number of UDP test packet
                                to be transmitted by the sender for this
                                test session&quot;;
                        }
                }
                type enumeration {
                        enum forever {
                                description
                                &quot;Indicates that the test session SHALL
                                be run *forever*.&quot;;
                        }
                }
           }
           default 10;
           description
           &quot;This value determines if the TWAMP-Test session is
              bound by number of test packets or not.&quot;;
         }</pre></pre></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">then, if needed, you=
 may check whether number-of-packets equals or not to &quot;forever&quot;, =
e.g.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><pre style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;ov=
erflow:auto;font-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;,Monaco,monospace;font-size:14px=
;padding:10px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10.5px;line-height:1.214;color:r=
gb(0,0,0);word-break:break-all;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:rgb(25=
5,253,245);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-radius:4px">         le=
af session-timeout {
            when &quot;../number-of-packets !=3D &#39;forever&#39;&quot; {
                description
                &quot;Test session timeout only valid if the
                test mode is periodic.&quot;;
           }
           type uint32;
           units &quot;seconds&quot;;
           default 900;
           description
           &quot;The timeout value for the Session-Sender to
           collect outstanding reflected packets.&quot;;
         }
</pre><div>or</div><div><pre style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;f=
ont-family:&quot;PT Mono&quot;,Monaco,monospace;font-size:14px;padding:10px=
;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10.5px;line-height:1.214;color:rgb(0,0,0);wor=
d-break:break-all;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:rgb(255,253,245);bo=
rder:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-radius:4px">         leaf measuremen=
t-interval {
           when &quot;../number-of-packets =3D &#39;forever&#39;&quot; {
                description
                &quot;Valid only when the test to run forever,
                i.e. continuously.&quot;;
           }
           type uint32;
           units &quot;seconds&quot;;
           default 60;
           description
           &quot;Interval to calculate performance metric when
                 the test mode is &#39;continuous&#39;.&quot;;
            }
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>Let me know if you have more questions.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div><div><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 24, 2017=
 at 9:55 AM, Srihari Raghavan (srihari) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:srihari@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">srihari@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>Hi Greg</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The latest draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie=
tf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-<wbr>connectionless-oam-methods=
/</a>) has addressed the first two comments w.r.t Abstract and
 OAM retrieval methods hierarchy.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the =E2=80=98leaf count=E2=80=99, can you please clarify as =
to what datatype you are suggesting for the =E2=80=98forever=E2=80=99 mode?=
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Srihari</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"gmail-m_5221003048695415377OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:blac=
k;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-bottom=
-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-col=
or:rgb(181,196,223);border-right-color:initial"><span class=3D"gmail-">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lime &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:li=
me-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lime-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, 23 September=
 2017 at 12:39 AM<span class=3D"gmail-"><br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;Carlos Pignataro (cpignat=
a)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">cpigna=
ta@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;Benoit Claise (bclaise)&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">bclaise@cis=
co.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">li=
me@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">lime@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Lime] Progress on LIM=
E Connectionless documents<br>
</span></div><div><div class=3D"gmail-h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,
<div>I haven&#39;t heard from authors of the CL OAM Methods draft response =
to these comments.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Greg</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Greg Mirsky <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,
<div>below please find my comments to the current version of=C2=A0draft-iet=
f-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam-methods draft:</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>Abstract
<ul>
<li>&quot;... interactive OAM workflows ( i.e., performing OAM functions at=
 same levels through a unified interface).&quot; I think that &quot;interac=
tive&quot; does not accurately characterizes the relationship between domai=
ns on the same network layer. &quot;Interworking&quot; would be
 more accurate or, at the minimum, &quot;interacting&quot;.</li></ul>
</li><li>
<pre class=3D"gmail-m_5221003048695415377m_7572808213157858705gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0=
,0,0)"><span class=3D"gmail-m_5221003048695415377m_7572808213157858705gmail=
-h3" style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><h3 style=3D"li=
ne-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif"><span style=3D"font-weight:normal">OAM Retrieval Methods Hierarc=
hy</span></font></h3></span></pre>
<ul>
<li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">as noted in comments to draft=
-ietf-lime-yang-connectio<wbr>nless-oam, need use case for Test Point of ma=
c-address type;</span></font></li><li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-w=
rap">src-dst-address is not part of
</span></font>draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectio<wbr>nless-oam tp-address group=
ing. Stale hierarchy?</li><li>fec-type is not listed in tp-address grouping=
 either. Another stale element?</li><li>tlv-address - same story, stale.</l=
i></ul>
</li><li>
<pre class=3D"gmail-m_5221003048695415377m_7572808213157858705gmail-newpage=
" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0=
,0,0)"><span class=3D"gmail-m_5221003048695415377m_7572808213157858705gmail=
-h2" style=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><h2 style=3D"li=
ne-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em"><font face=3D"arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif"><span style=3D"font-weight:normal">OAM Retrieval Methods YANG Mo=
dule</span></font></h2></span></pre>
<ul>
<li><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">leaf count (number of packets=
 that will be sent) has type uint32 and thus cannot support &quot;forever&q=
uot; mode. I believe support of &quot;forever&quot; mode is
 important and should be provided;</span></font></li></ul>
</li></ul>
<font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"=
font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Summarizing, in my opinion the cu=
rrent version of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectio<wbr>nless-oam-methods is no=
t ready for publication.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Regards,</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;white-space:pre-wrap">Greg</span></font></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Carlos P=
ignataro (cpignata)
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5221003048695415377h5">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear WG,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will be progressing the LIME Connectionless documents, submitting t=
hem to our AD.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see the respective write-ups at:</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam/shepherdwriteup/<=
/a></div>
<div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
ctionless-oam-methods/shepherdwriteup/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/d<wbr>oc/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connec<wbr>tionless-oam-methods/s=
hepherdw<wbr>riteup/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos &amp; Ron.</div>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
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<br>
</span></blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div></span>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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