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Dear all,

Here is the AD review of 
draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model. Sorry for the delay.

- Please use the latest Security Considerations template.
It was until recently at this location: 
https://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/yang-doctors.html
But not available any longer. I'm in discussion about it.

- you want to refer to RFC8174 instead of RFC2119

        The keywords "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
        "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
        "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described inBCP <https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14>
        14 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14>, [RFC2119 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119>] [RFC8174 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8174>] when, and only when, they appear in all
        capitals, as shown here.

- I like the section 4.x that explains part of the tree, with logical 
sections.

- you want to use the YANG tree diagrams in 
draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-04 
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams/>
I advice a section similar to 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03#section-1.3

- you are NMDA compliant. I guess you want a sentence such as:

    The YANG model in this document conforms to the Network Management
    Datastore Architecture defined in I-D.ietf-netmod-revised-datastores.

Again, take https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03 
as an example

- For the YANG specifics, I'm waiting for Carl Moberg YANG doctor review.
This should not prevent starting the IETF LC if Carl's feedback doesn't 
come soon.


Editorial:

- there are a few idnits. See 
https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-03.txt
For ex, "3 instances of too long lines in the document"

-

    As an example, consider a scenario where Loopback from device A to
    Device B fails.

Do you mean?

    As an example, consider a scenario where connectivity from device A loopback to
    device B fails.

Along the same lines, what does the following mean?

    Upon detecting the Loopback failures

- indpendent => independent
Note: multiple instances

-   identity rdi {
     base defect-types;
     description
       "Indicates the aggregate health of the remote
        Maintenance End Points (MEPs). ";
   }

It would be best if the identity name would either be meaningful or be 
explained in the description

- similar remark for
   typedef interval{
     type decimal64{
     fraction-digits 2;
    }
    units "milliseconds";
     description
     "Interval between packets in milliseconds.
     0 means no packets are sent.";
   }

Do you want to say to at least say time-interval?

- similar remark (or I guess this is a generic comment):
   grouping cos {
     description
     "Priority used in transmitted packets; for example, in the
      EXP field in MPLS-TP.";
     leaf cos-id {
      type uint8;
      description
      "Class of service.";
     }
   }

In the grouping description, you at least want to mention Class of Service.


- no need to list the WG chairs in the YANG module, as mentioned in 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-16#appendix-C

-

   identity name-format {
     description
     "This defines the name format, IEEE 8021ag CFM defines varying
     styles of names. It is expected name format as an identity ref
     to be extended with new types.";
   }

Name format of? I guess generic.
Please review the YANG module description.
For example:
     leaf md-name-format {
       type identityref {
         base name-format;
       }
       description
         "Name format.";
     }

At least mention the Management Domain Name Format.

-
	The RPC model facilitates issuing commands to a NETCONF server

It could be RESTCONF as well. It's best to mention "server"




              +--rw mas
                 +--rw ma* [ma-name-string]
                    +--rw ma-name-string          ma-name-string
                    +--rw ma-name-format?         identityref
                    +--rw (ma-name)?
                    |  +--:(ma-name-null)
                    |     +--rw ma-name-null?     empty

https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/yang_tree.php?module=ietf-connection-oriented-oam#

Regards, Benoit


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    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Here is the AD review of
    draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model. Sorry for the
    delay.<br>
    <br>
    - Please use the latest Security Considerations template.<br>
    It was until recently at this location:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/yang-doctors.html">https://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/yang-doctors.html</a><br>
    But not available any longer. I'm in discussion about it. <br>
    <br>
    - you want to refer to RFC8174 instead of RFC2119<br>
    <blockquote>
      <pre class="newpage">   The keywords "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14">BCP</a>
   <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14">14</a>, [<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119" title="&quot;Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels&quot;">RFC2119</a>] [<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8174" title="&quot;Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words&quot;">RFC8174</a>] when, and only when, they appear in all
   capitals, as shown here.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    - I like the section 4.x that explains part of the tree, with
    logical sections.<br>
    <br>
    - you want to use the YANG tree diagrams in <a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams/">draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-04</a><br>
    I advice a section similar to
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03#section-1.3">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03#section-1.3</a><br>
    <br>
    - you are NMDA compliant. I guess you want a sentence such as:<br>
    <pre>   The YANG model in this document conforms to the Network Management
   Datastore Architecture defined in I-D.ietf-netmod-revised-datastores.</pre>
    Again, take
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03</a> as an
    example<br>
    <br>
    - For the YANG specifics, I'm waiting for Carl Moberg YANG doctor
    review.<br>
    This should not prevent starting the IETF LC if Carl's feedback
    doesn't come soon.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Editorial:<br>
    <br>
    - there are a few idnits. See
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-03.txt">https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-03.txt</a><br>
    For ex, "3 instances of too long lines in the document"<br>
    <br>
    - <br>
    <pre class="newpage">   As an example, consider a scenario where Loopback from device A to
   Device B fails.

</pre>
    Do you mean?<br>
    <pre class="newpage">   As an example, consider a scenario where connectivity from device A loopback to
   device B fails.</pre>
    Along the same lines, what does the following mean?<br>
    <pre class="newpage">   Upon detecting the Loopback failures</pre>
    - indpendent =&gt; independent <br>
    Note: multiple instances<br>
    <br>
    -   identity rdi {<br>
        base defect-types;<br>
        description<br>
          "Indicates the aggregate health of the remote<br>
           Maintenance End Points (MEPs). ";<br>
      }<br>
    <br>
    It would be best if the identity name would either be meaningful or
    be explained in the description<br>
    <br>
    - similar remark for <br>
      typedef interval{<br>
        type decimal64{<br>
        fraction-digits 2;<br>
       }<br>
       units "milliseconds";<br>
        description<br>
        "Interval between packets in milliseconds.<br>
        0 means no packets are sent.";<br>
      }<br>
    <br>
    Do you want to say to at least say time-interval?<br>
    <br>
    - similar remark (or I guess this is a generic comment):<br>
      grouping cos {<br>
        description<br>
        "Priority used in transmitted packets; for example, in the<br>
         EXP field in MPLS-TP.";<br>
        leaf cos-id {<br>
         type uint8;<br>
         description<br>
         "Class of service.";<br>
        }<br>
      }<br>
    <br>
    In the grouping description, you at least want to mention Class of
    Service.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    - no need to list the WG chairs in the YANG module, as mentioned in
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-16#appendix-C">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-16#appendix-C</a><br>
    <br>
    - <br>
    <pre class="newpage">  identity name-format {
    description
    "This defines the name format, IEEE 8021ag CFM defines varying
    styles of names. It is expected name format as an identity ref
    to be extended with new types.";
  }

Name format of? I guess generic.
Please review the YANG module description.
For example:
    leaf md-name-format {
      type identityref {
        base name-format;
      }
      description
        "Name format.";
    }

At least mention the Management Domain Name Format. 

- 
	The RPC model facilitates issuing commands to a NETCONF server 

It could be RESTCONF as well. It's best to mention "server"




             +--rw mas
                +--rw ma* [ma-name-string]
                   +--rw ma-name-string          ma-name-string
                   +--rw ma-name-format?         identityref
                   +--rw (ma-name)?
                   |  +--:(ma-name-null)
                   |     +--rw ma-name-null?     empty

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/yang_tree.php?module=ietf-connection-oriented-oam#">https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/yang_tree.php?module=ietf-connection-oriented-oam#</a>

Regards, Benoit
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Reviewer: Carl Moberg
Review result: On the Right Track

This is my review of draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-03 and
the included YANG module.

Overall, the document is in reasonable shape but needs more attention around
one fundamental aspect, and a short list of minor issues.

My understanding is that this module is intended to be implemented as a network
service model, per the module classification RFC (RFC8199). But e.g. the ‘mip'
list has a key 'interface' of type 'if:interface-ref'. That type is defined in
ietf-interfaces to be a leafref with path "/if:interfaces/if:interface/if:name”
assuming that the module context is a single network element. This seems
self-contradicting and needs to be resolved. 

I would suggest running the YANG module through 'pyang -f yang' to provide
consistent formatting of the module. I think it would also be worth considering
putting the content in the canonical order. E.g. the location of the description
statement in the mip-address grouping makes it hard to read.

The 'session' list is 'ordered-by user', but does not provide any description or
explanation to the meaning of the order.

The content of the description strings are in need of language fixes.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Generic YANG Data Model for Connection Oriented Operations, Administration, and Maintenance(OAM) protocols
        Authors         : Deepak Kumar
                          Qin Wu
                          Michael Wang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-04.txt
	Pages           : 53
	Date            : 2018-01-30

Abstract:
   This document presents a base YANG Data model for connection oriented
   OAM protocols.  It provides a technology-independent abstraction of
   key OAM constructs for such protocols.  The model presented here can
   be extended to include technology specific details.  This guarantees
   uniformity in the management of OAM protocols and provides support
   for nested OAM workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at different
   levels through a unified interface)

   The YANG model in this document conforms to the Network Management
   Datastore Architecture defined in
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Hi Michael, Authors, et. al,
thank you for your dedication to this work. Please kindly consider my
comments below.
- this document introduces YANG data model of connection-oriented OAM
protocols. I couldn't find the definition or reference to normative
definition of the connection-oriented OAM. As we've discussed, I
believe that the definition of the channel forwarding in G.800 in
section 6.3.1, specifically for connection-oriented packet switching,
is the one we can use similarly to the definition of connectionless
OAM in draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam. And the fact that both
documents share one source of definitions, in my view, is advantage of
consistent dictionary.
- "This is the base identy of technology types which are
TRILL,MPLS-TP,vpls etc" Had VPLS been characterized as CO-PS? Not to
get into the discussion, perhaps stop after MPLS-TP be acceptable. And
I encourage to omit other references to VPLS in the document:
            - "... or for VPLS this can be per VPLS instance [RFC6136]."
            - " a VRF for VPLS,"
- what is the benefit to have specific ipv4-address and ipv6-address
in 'choice mep-address' rather than ip-address imported from
inet:ip-address?
- I think that 'leaf packet-size' is related to packet padding, not
the actual size of the test packet as there's always minimum size
determined by the corresponding technology and thus the packet size
cannot be smaller than the minimum size of, for example, LBM. Current
range for the leaf packet-size in rpc continuity-check is 0...10000
and in rpc continuity-verification the range is 64 ... 10000 (why such
inconsistency?). Test packet of 0 bytes doesn't seem practical while
test packet with 0 bytes of padding/payload does. And though we'd like
to use default for zero-touch (almost zero-touch), this is very
technology-specific parameter (compare Ethernet LBM and MPLS LSP
Ping).


Nits:
- s/interface)/interface)./
- consistency in using YANG vs. Yang throughout the document should be achi=
eved.
- s/../maintenance-domain]/co-oam:mas/co-oam:ma[/../maintenance-domain]/co-=
oam:mas/co-oam:ma/
- s/CoS field in MPLS-TP/TC field in MPLS-TP/

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:58 AM, wangzitao <wangzitao@huawei.com> wrote:
> Hi WG,
>
> This version addressed the issues arose by AD review and Yangdoctors earl=
y review.
> More details please review the document.
>
> Best Regards!
> -Michael
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>         Title           : Generic YANG Data Model for Connection Oriented=
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>         Authors         : Deepak Kumar
>                           Qin Wu
>                           Michael Wang
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>    key OAM constructs for such protocols.  The model presented here can
>    be extended to include technology specific details.  This guarantees
>    uniformity in the management of OAM protocols and provides support
>    for nested OAM workflows (i.e., performing OAM functions at different
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