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Added Status indicator (Informational).

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I modified the examples of include Frank Ellermann's suggestion
regarding Link Header reference in the text.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-amundsen-item-and-collection-link-relation=
s-04

I will submit this I-D to the rfc-editor within 24 hrs. Anyone who
would like to volunteer as a potential reviewer, feel free to post on
this thread or contact me directly and I'll include your name/contact
info in the submission.

Thanks to all for the assistance.

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Hi mike,

--On October 9, 2011 1:14:26 PM -0400 mike amundsen <mamund@yahoo.com> 
wrote:

> I modified the examples of include Frank Ellermann's suggestion
> regarding Link Header reference in the text.
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-amundsen-item-and-collection-link-relati
> ons-04
>
> I will submit this I-D to the rfc-editor within 24 hrs. Anyone who
> would like to volunteer as a potential reviewer, feel free to post on
> this thread or contact me directly and I'll include your name/contact
> info in the submission.
>
> Thanks to all for the assistance.

Has any thought been given to scalability. I know of web applications where 
the number of "items" can be in the 1000's or more. Returning 1000+ Link 
headers seems inappropriate in that case. Perhaps what is needed is an 
"item-list" link which points to another resource where the full "item" 
listing can be retrieved in some suitable fashion?

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


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Cyrus:

The I-D does not mandate how the link-relation type is to be used.

Authors can use these values in message bodies only if they like;
there is no requirement to use Link headers. They can create "paged"
output that emits as many (or as few) links as desired.

Basically, this does not change the number of links, just adds the
possibility of a shared understanding of the rel value used to
decorate those links.

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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 07:36, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@daboo.name> wrote:
> Hi mike,
>
> --On October 9, 2011 1:14:26 PM -0400 mike amundsen <mamund@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I modified the examples of include Frank Ellermann's suggestion
>> regarding Link Header reference in the text.
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-amundsen-item-and-collection-link-relati
>> ons-04
>>
>> I will submit this I-D to the rfc-editor within 24 hrs. Anyone who
>> would like to volunteer as a potential reviewer, feel free to post on
>> this thread or contact me directly and I'll include your name/contact
>> info in the submission.
>>
>> Thanks to all for the assistance.
>
> Has any thought been given to scalability. I know of web applications where
> the number of "items" can be in the 1000's or more. Returning 1000+ Link
> headers seems inappropriate in that case. Perhaps what is needed is an
> "item-list" link which points to another resource where the full "item"
> listing can be retrieved in some suitable fashion?
>
> --
> Cyrus Daboo
>
>

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Hi,

  Some W3C Technical Reports apparently use rel='disclosure'. I could
not find it in any of the registries.

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Hi Bjoern,

Yes, I see use of this rel type in W3C documents: (from W3C style guide):

> Include this source code:
> [ . . . ] W3C maintains a <a rel="disclosure" href="@@URI to IPP 
> status or other page@@">public list of any patent disclosures</a> made 
> in connection with the deliverables of the group; that page also 
> includes instructions for disclosing a patent. [...]

... and the rel type has been used in some W3C reports.  I suppose it 
would be fine to register this relation with IANA.

I will draft its registration and notify on the list.

Mykyta Yevstifeyev

19.10.2011 1:22, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
>    Some W3C Technical Reports apparently use rel='disclosure'. I could
> not find it in any of the registries.
>
> regards,



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Hello,

Reacting to Bjoern's message, I've drafted the specification of 
'disclosure' relation type:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00

Please kindly provide your feedback on this draft.

Thanks,
Mykyta Yevstifeyev

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* Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:
>Reacting to Bjoern's message, I've drafted the specification of 
>'disclosure' relation type:
>
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00
>
>Please kindly provide your feedback on this draft.

I haven't read the Introduction but the rest looks ready for review by
the designated experts. I'm BCC-ing spec-prod@w3.org in case anyone on
that list has comments.

Thanks,
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