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Please make sure to send them by Wednesday 10th November at latest. Ciao L. From nobody Sun Nov 7 12:50:33 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietf.org Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0513A0CD0; Sun, 7 Nov 2021 12:50:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: lisp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lisp@ietf.org Message-ID: <163631823144.14484.10561701291553918191@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 12:50:31 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] I-D Action: draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-13.txt X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 20:50:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : LISP Distinguished Name Encoding Author : Dino Farinacci Filename : draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-13.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2021-11-07 Abstract: This draft defines how to use the AFI=17 Distinguished Names in LISP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-farinacci-lisp-name-encoding-13 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Nov 12 13:33:09 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032533A11F2 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5OL9cOJguN0n for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf1-x430.google.com (mail-pf1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE3633A11F7 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf1-x430.google.com with SMTP id r130so9583967pfc.1 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=28k8fFP1eHNBwjGDVnM3aT4/Ryp3Cm9cFkji8NHTweE=; b=PNzCBV0Srl4NdvgpYRwDr8FTnHzYkB9ny2NBrDJNP/lD/otsy5hjZYphXf+3t1A9fz ZnoGrAGTtzgPZQOdIjeZQpYYqtvNJuUYwIBV1GcgZ6tFNnjpWmp2kC3dH/tCzQvEvh0T lZqtS/kM8CqIiRS2v/iM4cEjegMx8K8Lewoxi/wegl23WFZoS09QNPJqRJ66FNxYf/UB 26e+wdmRtYe4z+pbILqfH8f66PJExr0nR8EomCB4bJc453RCOgAjrGRlqEg4Q5j8ecVD 0KKpLvbMkHX6PnZndi30WD1KOQSBQMuk4p/FJTnFUexV7wqTV58KWhl5NVUiQZ/U2q8P soLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=28k8fFP1eHNBwjGDVnM3aT4/Ryp3Cm9cFkji8NHTweE=; b=FTgDqXijboPr1TEBgs31AGlsdJlBDl9peyrTW/o7YHRsQElu4CCdOfSKZskJz7/E+U jYnOktkuqIAONyQx7P3HQ6Z+odVV5hOgFX+C9p+chuDrpun9VQGqI0rxJqRPcuRxXu4f FfBWISmV8WHl3KV8cKh7/jrc9GYIf3naDtDyeu8DN4HzmvvUdbYFW+YTaGl1gWs/Npbj i48+bZxgS6ycAPHtH9qwEqHWfyzOGk5z8Ahe3u9WThkIHRqnGfWPSZGHK2Glfd4uUqqK 7wjIFhy/kWbnJVz9AZTKAzNhSNUBlzHQUthH612Jgj2FNuMJQsLQPW6sgca2PiXOEke9 DThg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Y7KL9k1HiPXZEzFYwaqycVwi67ZU3bBo9Pje2FkVB+8/L7m8+ hpigE5eAe0E55GOs4W6/6ngO0D5ZxZvM+g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw908P2os4rEXjD4U92AKbOtsXgK6woQEY2NLtaxQ60YUL5owPYpKsklM/qCrZ1BLRIVOEXLA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:9508:: with SMTP id p8mr11813289pgd.413.1636752783104; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-98-234-33-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.234.33.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h1sm7541413pfi.168.2021.11.12.13.33.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dino Farinacci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) Message-Id: <70DF928E-780D-47C3-8B35-ECC67F1D4B86@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:33:01 -0800 To: "lisp@ietf.org list" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Suggestion to use site-id for a L2 segment-id X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:33:08 -0000 Luigi made this suggestion at the working group.=20 You cannot use site-id because all the L2 sites are part of the same L2 = network need the same value. And instance-ID is the only value that can = be used since it is in the encapsulated header. You need to use = instance-ID so multi-tenancy can be used. Because each site can be part = of multiple VLANs which may partially reside in other sites (i.e. = site-id A has VLANS (1,2,3), but site-id B has VLANS (1,2) and site-id C = has VLANs (1,3)) Dino= From nobody Fri Nov 12 13:53:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27F83A1265 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:53:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mdKCodgfZpMX for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-x62b.google.com (mail-pl1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E6BD3A1264 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id u17so9446168plg.9 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:53:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=alYkQOoQnZ0nxgVSGCKkEb8O3zv45aTCB8CBWkgPb10=; b=K73D+FYaWnK0QnU+xCi8Sp2s5OpFjB5gVvpcjH65rxkB7aWYFegi/T0JoLkfM5U0jG Q2ZCNeIt/q4+nF4z+jDZDhbC3FLVGpnH04UYgaqnNuFz88ujSB2trF0YZkZEi4g0Spum JIwXyZafRwALTTyBf1avvGGzSZm+PeD9YmuCJCdKcZiHydYDPv6Ij2nh3D3r03P41h9P uGRhHCqY/VSLcSC3ZyZAXgvvLxaJJs504/UtvhtNAEVfCBSiowHjhrXXDbmcidvWMbvM PuTZz6qnaqoCOao/shtaTl/MwnskHL3+IsSZyOL76LZLA3pC/Bc5h4rusHH+8trFj1/6 9RcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=alYkQOoQnZ0nxgVSGCKkEb8O3zv45aTCB8CBWkgPb10=; b=oOnyLESqZDbbZwgfi8yjq8VP31op6ek+5XGkaB8A/OTmzot/kRShYJdxXLnNYykxKi ZNGTvi7QAratTJQ38qoh4qfkt8oyit0e+bNNkpFMhU4pmZYiNpXU6OlhcgC/YDmVMF2r VBaknj08DfbMFGpab3O2fqtWgBQr8eXPpa6oavj3WXa95N172vmDfS7kslNEFIqnn2Hl 6YXDQ/JPKVnrr/VmOpXjbGEr4eN3/WD0fUV9NameHSGT+eQVGkubETJxzReNKu+iVrqg oPWwuihcgjonvKNdqUhmcM3Chbr3xiNOAtg0J48BXY/xIBJ0PnIJzWhEzKAcTLp6jJao yM0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530R6GwMLIrBVzbmJSiFhXsqUoRMIYyczRkx/0JFoRrANIkTZX0/ LLkn+7HsEU6Br42SNcJTEsZV5O0jtWQSsg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwA2jpapbAsegH8NO2rTzA+djVrsRXoBjD+fhwDBZfuP59s9s0nMbU2Gv3MfthjoDkiTev29Q== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:e851:b0:142:19fe:982a with SMTP id t17-20020a170902e85100b0014219fe982amr11722850plg.13.1636753979270; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-98-234-33-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.234.33.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d15sm8238891pfu.12.2021.11.12.13.52.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dino Farinacci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) Message-Id: <6758857D-4C15-446D-8D64-B3D51CA82F78@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:52:58 -0800 To: "lisp@ietf.org list" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] Reliable Transport issue - do you try UDP or TCP or both? X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:53:04 -0000 Regarding the Luigi comment, I didn't understand Marc's response. Simply = getting a Map-Notify doesn't tell the ETR if it should try a opening a = TCP connection to the Map-Server. I would suggest this simple signalling scheme: (1) Since we have bits in the Map-Register header that the ETR can set. = It sets a new "RT" bit to indicate to the Map-Server that it wants to = use TCP. (2) If the Map-Server sends a Map-Notify (with the "RT" bit set, ie. = copied from the Map-Register), then the ETR knows the Map-Server is = listening on TCP port 4342 and will accept TCP connections. (3) If the Map-Server does not support RT, it sets the "RT" bit to zero. = Which is its default setting because either an new implementation = doesn't want to (so it clears the bit in the Map-Notify) or an old = implementation doesn't know anything about the bit so it would default = to 0. Comments? 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[98.234.33.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm12300687pjm.14.2021.11.12.14.17.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: Dino Farinacci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:17:54 -0800 To: "lisp@ietf.org list" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] LISP Nexar presentation X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:18:00 -0000 Sharon, just want to make it clear, you are not embedding GPS = coordinates in a structured EID address, correct? 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[98.234.33.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm7433043pfl.53.2021.11.12.14.24.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: Dino Farinacci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) Message-Id: <8F9C48DE-F2C1-4D53-BCA4-A44BC49923FE@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:24:48 -0800 To: "lisp@ietf.org list" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) Archived-At: Subject: [lisp] LISP Nexar comment 2 X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:24:51 -0000 =46rom my understanding of the use-case, I believe there are no changes = to the base protocol to support this use-case. Regarding EID assignment = and allocation, that is an admin/configuration function. H3-EIDs makes sense for assigning to nodes that provide services. But I = forget if you wanted to allocate an H3-EID to a moving vehicle. Because = as the EID moves, the H3 hexagon can change even the H3-ID is from = resolution 16. Unless you want to scope the mobility and when the = vehicle moves, you assign a new H3-EID. I hope you don't do thw latter = or you lose the EID-mobility features LISP has (or maybe don't need it = in this case). 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The Edge Geolocation Services EIDs have a 64bit H3-ID part of the locatio= n of the Vehicle being served 2. This is how we eliminate the need for an actual geospatial network. These= are virtualized in the form of H3EIDs 3. The prefix of the service EID is the H3 location it serves, the suffix is= the specific Geolocation Service: collection, parking .. 4. The vehicle EID is not related to location (H3) because its moving. It is= however ephemeral to protect drivers geoprivacy 5. The only entity which knows the vehicle carrier assigned RLOC is its RTR.= We can host those at the carrier (UPF) or bring your own 6. Both lisp-nexagon and lisp-fix do not change the protocol. But you do hav= e to understand the map assisted overlay ucast/mcast 7. Maybe after more examples we can generalize how Compute First Networks us= e LISP to aggregate and reduce data on a need to know basis..=20 ..so that non lispers can follow a cookbook, but for now we need to do it ex= ample at a time i think. lisp-nexagon in publication lisp-fix-00 i think wor= k group response was good, so by next ietf??=20 --szb Cell: +972.53.2470068 WhatsApp: +1.650.492.0794 > On Nov 12, 2021, at 14:25, Dino Farinacci wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF=46rom my understanding of the use-case, I believe there are no c= hanges to the base protocol to support this use-case. Regarding EID assignme= nt and allocation, that is an admin/configuration function. >=20 > H3-EIDs makes sense for assigning to nodes that provide services. But I fo= rget if you wanted to allocate an H3-EID to a moving vehicle. Because as the= EID moves, the H3 hexagon can change even the H3-ID is from resolution 16. U= nless you want to scope the mobility and when the vehicle moves, you assign a= new H3-EID. I hope you don't do thw latter or you lose the EID-mobility fea= tures LISP has (or maybe don't need it in this case). >=20 > Dino > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp From nobody Fri Nov 12 15:04:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314793A08DA for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:03:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lunPeW3-OgTP for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pj1-x102f.google.com (mail-pj1-x102f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5C493A08DC for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102f.google.com with SMTP id gx15-20020a17090b124f00b001a695f3734aso8815961pjb.0 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:03:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4M9NGXv6aMTlOWAwnhDDtEojOEZxfaWXaXIYejd1tLY=; b=byBT3YTAIvBqUd2Jw57CWIW/EGMo+yYLr3v1MGPP2HIFrojPamiZI5G/QE9G2kDQkp j/89NvMOozW2V3E+y9jzkPxGtU8LNKkzgmNoRzLNOybD69RvdjxIRwwXjDDLP48OrUqs oaPjLyuC6DtIT33LZscVw68eymMv+yS8TQFgMIi2lYfl2DfW0EQHIdKOcPG3TKshazEn IdbcUBKgAEX9k02SgEHZ+diBRG6ivqG6cnXzakFaqTTJd17BjsXYCFCztHLd5uUJfzlF u1aZXeartlxLYIEvQiO7rcS15khvN2AFL68V3H5BNpdvhh+6SrHt0ceNSPT5sd7zRGfU +pdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4M9NGXv6aMTlOWAwnhDDtEojOEZxfaWXaXIYejd1tLY=; b=RKN3cgc8XO6QFGB8354piDoOa9rxWvplNnEh0cVd0esRu4WKSpSs5aeRjvK/v8XDYn UAeOu16nfe7GO3C4ktrNqUtyjSYj+Xw2GCgfkQJ394FKbkNu6DEB1R69qOV6xOI5iReZ Em3unBpbFeHilFer4eKICUK+ZULPCzI/z5BVqcVbhXBkQw3DfMa1oA4xWGmBg2kwIbC8 /KItaqras+mlSwebbHvzlFeZSeT9YAy3+2mtnevyUInwkPSKRWKYdKEXlbgq5hXXbODn 8q4FZf9o4efJwbCtyoKI9y2Jk8bw/tz6c3vBLnusy3ZYreFxz4onKbb6iqXDwN38RnOE tiNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530tlajCwst79yBFOcpQe4MZZCwkFbB6WQUZyge4q6sIhKuu4iMH MLPkJoRBbWSuVydI/HWHeM9cXVurvPWbaw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+dIDuvUdXuSfFtuQtl3/BD9kZKrAREzOVTGHZa6q3ask10qzgytlM5A9k1oK4VBRMCTmNtg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3a85:: with SMTP id om5mr41155680pjb.28.1636758235149; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-98-234-33-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. 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The Edge Geolocation Services EIDs have a 64bit H3-ID part of the = location of the Vehicle being served >=20 > 2. This is how we eliminate the need for an actual geospatial network. = These are virtualized in the form of H3EIDs Okay, so "Geolocation Services EID" equals an H3EID. > 3. The prefix of the service EID is the H3 location it serves, the = suffix is the specific Geolocation Service: collection, parking .. Right, thought so. > 4. The vehicle EID is not related to location (H3) because its moving. = It is however ephemeral to protect drivers geoprivacy Good. > 5. The only entity which knows the vehicle carrier assigned RLOC is = its RTR. We can host those at the carrier (UPF) or bring your own Great. > 6. Both lisp-nexagon and lisp-fix do not change the protocol. But you = do have to understand the map assisted overlay ucast/mcast I don't understand what you mean. Say more please. > 7. Maybe after more examples we can generalize how Compute First = Networks use LISP to aggregate and reduce data on a need to know basis..=20= >=20 > ..so that non lispers can follow a cookbook, but for now we need to do = it example at a time i think. lisp-nexagon in publication lisp-fix-00 i = think work group response was good, so by next ietf??=20 Yes. 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I think = you have done that in the drafts. Dino > On Nov 12, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Sharon Barkai = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 12, 2021, at 15:04, Dino Farinacci = wrote: >>=20 >>> 6. Both lisp-nexagon and lisp-fix do not change the protocol. But = you do have to understand the map assisted overlay ucast/mcast >>=20 >> I don't understand what you mean. Say more please. >=20 > I mean, if you didn't know LISP, you would need to reinvent its = mechanisms, the layering, the mapping, the signal-free=E2=80=A6 per app = domain, the hard way, proprietary..=20 >=20 From nobody Sat Nov 13 08:52:55 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370153A0F61 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=getnexar.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6DvIkDEmhk8d for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf1-x42f.google.com (mail-pf1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F30FC3A0EF3 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id x5so499354pfr.0 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=getnexar.com; s=google; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=O3Xyp5Lna5tQUEyofFA6NTGUmE7/5I8hVMVKqWVpoRY=; b=mNWZaM4DcSmadjiGXaj2ysYzApqyj46qLCGcx7U2V3R8sUD0PidsddaZpjWN6WX5TG 7u2LrJlv5Y0/08dcI5iE/94zX7AW4mQF2UNS4LPDltzSSnh2ulbXsg5Woj6KSAYERvf9 FH4l5KyeNqOLiclkFtdD683xGMemR80PfSy64= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=O3Xyp5Lna5tQUEyofFA6NTGUmE7/5I8hVMVKqWVpoRY=; b=iTG/uVnD10oCH04Yf4HVcREO3QkgWLaCyQNTxZUsffSLjGKxfEal+oqn3UT9PJtUxi oPlgmpBuQyOc0CzeQ3Feg3YsONwDqXcKHKSRSMWVsT6RiXd6uQrBWO9WgHe2HWCDSibn iC5VVxTvfjxj5bbxLnGBsm6rGwqQWJwp31LQ2kRs8efRw2qZ1cElUiukAxbFmUDs0gCY ETsOduVBjrH/S1+1ntfbS/7WiPJHPLu4Um1VN0b2Yuh4Ygw3oJ0z3rHMBPxYOWAv5OCl eAV3AuIuR1epmjWJceIZO0W0kbP4w1rWdpZrL72sTc4nYYbtjbCLlx6TSLeFh+UiDIT0 JioA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532dBmjqwwJtGg28bEuktb2xPCfoOo/cuBSFacxLiFQXGrFeFocW Xfg4ilkLGTniZ7FN9bjdlbeRhy4OLKOXoORtd+vh9hib/zoHQXDg7iLBtFH19vHajc9Lc1c2QK9 Je3D1v065JAEpCUV68pAyL7CCnYxpqSHrGSG6CsT6Pna4Q7JtaHxykf2EtbftwF7umY8vPw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxxuS2/sbOk6Af3LkpFZcBpACh59VqiPiSj3U87sxLq9MSMB0SurwAuvou+p2+6bDU/5s6/GQ== X-Received: by 2002:a62:6381:0:b0:492:71a2:76c1 with SMTP id x123-20020a626381000000b0049271a276c1mr21007854pfb.7.1636822367733; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2601:600:8181:53d0:8d6e:7ab9:c06b:29e9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id qe2sm6206478pjb.42.2021.11.13.08.52.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:47 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Sharon Barkai In-Reply-To: <39681CDD-45E1-4A90-9BF2-FD992B78DBAE@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:52:45 -0800 Cc: "lisp@ietf.org list" Message-Id: <7F3AD409-B91D-4988-A478-89605169843A@getnexar.com> References: <39681CDD-45E1-4A90-9BF2-FD992B78DBAE@gmail.com> To: Dino Farinacci X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18H17) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] LISP Nexar comment 2 X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 16:52:54 -0000 Yes i think you are right. Any attempt to generalize at this point will probably fail. --szb Cell: +972.53.2470068 WhatsApp: +1.650.492.0794 > On Nov 12, 2021, at 17:11, Dino Farinacci wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFWell you just need to list the features LISP-fix and LISP-nexagon= need and you state what mechanisms in LISP deliver those features. I think y= ou have done that in the drafts. >=20 > Dino >=20 >>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Sharon Barkai w= rote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 15:04, Dino Farinacci wrote: >>>=20 >>>> 6. Both lisp-nexagon and lisp-fix do not change the protocol. But you d= o have to understand the map assisted overlay ucast/mcast >>>=20 >>> I don't understand what you mean. 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Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2601:646:9600:fef0:8ce1:4d40:907e:eb19]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y18sm10914681pgh.18.2021.11.14.22.06.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:06:26 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dino Farinacci Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:06:26 -0800 Message-Id: <04C0EA49-36B4-4FDB-8C72-23DE026CC259@gmail.com> References: Cc: "lisp@ietf.org list" In-Reply-To: To: "Marc Portoles Comeras (mportole)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19C5036e) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Reliable Transport issue - do you try UDP or TCP or both? X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:06:34 -0000 Guessing and trying can work because if you try to SYN on port 4342, you=E2=80= =99ll get a RST or ICMP port unreachable back. That is if it gets back to yo= u.=20 Dino > On Nov 14, 2021, at 10:01 PM, Marc Portoles Comeras (mportole) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI would incorporate this proposal in the draft. >=20 > For now, in the current implementation, the ETRs are just "guessing and tr= ying". As you say there is nothing in the Map-Notify telling the ETR if the M= S can support the TCP connection.=20 > This signaling scheme would clear this part and remove this guesswork on t= he ETR. >=20 > Should we allow the Map-Server to set the RT bit even if the ETR has not r= equested it? >=20 > Marc >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/12/21, 1:53 PM, "lisp on behalf of Dino Farinacci" wrote: >=20 > Regarding the Luigi comment, I didn't understand Marc's response. Simply g= etting a Map-Notify doesn't tell the ETR if it should try a opening a TCP co= nnection to the Map-Server. >=20 > I would suggest this simple signalling scheme: >=20 > (1) Since we have bits in the Map-Register header that the ETR can set. It= sets a new "RT" bit to indicate to the Map-Server that it wants to use TCP.= >=20 > (2) If the Map-Server sends a Map-Notify (with the "RT" bit set, ie. copie= d from the Map-Register), then the ETR knows the Map-Server is listening on T= CP port 4342 and will accept TCP connections. >=20 > (3) If the Map-Server does not support RT, it sets the "RT" bit to zero. W= hich is its default setting because either an new implementation doesn't wan= t to (so it clears the bit in the Map-Notify) or an old implementation doesn= 't know anything about the bit so it would default to 0. >=20 > Comments? >=20 > Dino > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp >=20 From nobody Sun Nov 14 22:07:57 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4960C3A0E94 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id INnscyC-7J-q for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pj1-x102a.google.com (mail-pj1-x102a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38E513A0E92 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102a.google.com with SMTP id np6-20020a17090b4c4600b001a90b011e06so11874946pjb.5 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=LPsHO3m893cuDoMotI4C2dPJB49bzGk1+QeMVbK+21E=; b=U+9B+sHJUv+CLESSJG16WxisvwroRHbRYLsUXx5xixeocA2yDZfje+rhElDpYzTFSy YzEywX415nH+Qxu4aWtbmhxYPfpvTHvc2T+qs77VgAGgpqFJsnFvZxmgEqg9lCeGnytw zxvKb0nfrdFUuxtTfkZ4qXM1qvXT/JOQr181ld/S4p4/TYcN/nR3NLbXZw6FbNWkhQ+c PvKbiwNehG7uQACasFfcfJu9j+NPrdncQzoSX0466kGfaquHkIysO2ANy5nckgqjJApB fdqdbdfVS0Cj3DyFuPEPdrwhOAhpx321WxNbGVO3uaIAurwk00Mvf/QuHFhoS5yXpScZ IULg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=LPsHO3m893cuDoMotI4C2dPJB49bzGk1+QeMVbK+21E=; b=gCEnzv0/LUuA2FaGN55HfQuQMMNBlW0tvp7n9c63sJV3HsHOae7WGUq3ouu/mzXCml okzgXlRgFChprk5si1WVuzgCbRZZ/9+JBlrgFCgSLbWKfee+aB1UFDt2vOFWjOV26BJm bCVozSr7e28Dh3Zz3wILfdNl6xn9YcveWK+2qjZ/XoppuL4kOKTujDjl3WxGXJoXBiu1 qFWasuEkhwsjYSMxfC70sVsOl51Jh7ByNJHAnmSusRxH0KDo3PJVO4eUHGkgAGb8IDlv CqBLhRfwrhXSvj08AQWdjAOBLMFKH/RJOs9UmnFmlYSxQrZnt7hS909T3g5gcoL4H07A Kquw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532m2pgzPh1qJIyRmWofByju/Rmt1y/d0xqs6FrQrA8cdJsspTTl EQJX4eIMiJ6qPqNuI3Qm2395Tf+fIxJgKw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzSCtluz7j581kHtPk87JhhJNgeg+FD27H99bgIPtJpim4W4aVgz+d5hXX+wqjaChdcz6/voA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b110:b0:142:7621:aecb with SMTP id q16-20020a170902b11000b001427621aecbmr32211597plr.55.1636956472390; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2601:646:9600:fef0:8ce1:4d40:907e:eb19]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f3sm13817365pfg.167.2021.11.14.22.07.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dino Farinacci Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:07:51 -0800 Message-Id: <2DADBBA9-C3F4-44FD-B491-416951518AD8@gmail.com> References: Cc: "lisp@ietf.org list" In-Reply-To: To: "Marc Portoles Comeras (mportole)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19C5036e) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Reliable Transport issue - do you try UDP or TCP or both? X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:07:55 -0000 > Should we allow the Map-Server to set the RT bit even if the ETR has not r= equested it?=20 I guess. That is if you want to tell the xTR that you support it even if it d= oes t request it.=20 Dino= From nobody Sun Nov 14 22:11:53 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lisp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2EC3A0E99 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HE9x21vFy-Uo for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-x62b.google.com (mail-pl1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22D393A0E95 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id b13so13611915plg.2 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=BcW55xpBifPblxni75PWhBPzuFhc3g91XrV7NmLGvDI=; b=dAZC2wFtViJl1KadZt57tmTX29qJ73NDNPdXunUuDn6yFqv84HQRgSXBK0nLbICQwc qYDPxUzsn79yLJOXBk+pTLhPXvUiPAY26sEcwPe53E26ZgEyBnxNm9gSg0JtT3wMCFCN cMblArx5cF2pC2wpdfHY5f07PWo+Vr9lDIFPZLPLob9J2f9ThjlbPc/rqBrBQ69fTvai Bd3JgQkwdNru7VeHt78F+oKL2T5uwfO8jY7ADqNcItqWF2Yw9Es52bzAFNrhJ0RuzFZp YUEY11d8Rv6dK4rBsEcaPC2T5kJVHpklYsoCmp8K+AhAkMZBGzow8SIus9+shtptFpst eH1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=BcW55xpBifPblxni75PWhBPzuFhc3g91XrV7NmLGvDI=; b=F6Ol0VIGF87d8NJImovCDBgFZ6fsemPh7ByBrUyFq6Sq2mKnAH0eCUYJ5doC6yYVja e3HTAXildqFXoDVMRM3jjdXnoK3hXTFxNBar1hR50s/0307rN2ApcGG1tYTPU+zywzmu 9/sGVpc4pDXBKUWGEnvYt9UrhQh2d05g59HLT8AwILFygd6ndG/7wEVpn4mGQfq5J3kf gHbb0mlJ9XtyPeAqhnwbPhOFwzRZMYGLKzXxereBy9nMfS9udzIyL1SLP64FVJVcrTFO DKQawhMSGWUl/2mWA++Sf0Nc9KSm/TekCDtBnRRtQ9JT/hQNqT0JUYoi3K4tw5ZN5vi0 zPrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532lek7hhKGU5bu/lbatQtEsACCXn3Waq0YAwk9kgTxN0KZEsfs3 d6dm9m0hyjm/Vc2Yq6irv1lEi325tXQLnA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwyKoW7qy7js6JAqi0idUBgjdCN8+rbBRhrtlE7mK1m+vVUpYvbGdgDsFKzsNx9+QTXdWZk7w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5d8e:: with SMTP id t14mr60537399pji.95.1636956704004; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2601:646:9600:fef0:8ce1:4d40:907e:eb19]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h186sm13851056pfe.128.2021.11.14.22.11.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dino Farinacci Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:11:42 -0800 Message-Id: References: Cc: "lisp@ietf.org list" In-Reply-To: To: "Marc Portoles Comeras (mportole)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19C5036e) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lisp] Suggestion to use site-id for a L2 segment-id X-BeenThere: lisp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List for the discussion of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:11:51 -0000 > In this case, couldn't we use the pair to identify xTRs tha= t form a multihoming group? Or we'd need some extra identifier?=20 There is no point. Then you would have to store n site-ids for no use.=20 > Do you see a case when we have xTRs using different site-ids but providing= L2 multihoming to a common group of endpoints? That is a misconfiguration, if it is one host. Otherwise the MAC EID moved t= o a new site.=20 Doesn=E2=80=99t matter what the site-id is in the move case, you know from a= new RLOC registered.=20 Dino=