From nobody Fri Feb 2 01:59:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA2212D94D for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:59:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfO9xoweALmx for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE060127873 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id d125so2666828qkg.13 for ; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:59:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5TYh0t84bG6uFQ1tKDctMUewyfgEeAsCJ2yrt97h6DM=; b=MnZWgJvnfz2Es1DEfxEQquzV4C4lseMHvfy5Yz8XDsgAmZC7aVDPPz7wM5Vh2L3OoP srO03pHHnzGDR3SjZoQ/VyBdOl/7dU9f9WsdUt+Nfp0AkxoKFnxcnkSHxWW4LOC23rSg pjjr76bmP1b8dC95TRKe/mcYaNoHTGz/4UqEvF/VbloyBTv7J2kxy2mfQ88uValjLf6j Iq1IKWWgbrnlSOFWQFLrbXoVRR88beHAlj/RO6HkMMth4LoGKADe23IJphT8NY3AP2m3 RU1inbz5S4dmSJCs1aOgoKnH3MYjt8NLQGZeKesPwDiwnNWf1uDbdbYt1Es6wULKEzbJ Sg+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5TYh0t84bG6uFQ1tKDctMUewyfgEeAsCJ2yrt97h6DM=; b=iXiUSu4ol93xoWhXod7rG3kd2JS+3zTpMSN2165w/XIfgkPdiLPJ5FfD0fPNf/kFIx TfvnGedVEHaAxF5B+U+jNTtnNT5MVsRIh/2cCq5hbAKsW/XimcpXJwCB8/SpjP5+WEFj NSIL9sjq9SiJezwV3MGWYfVqlJozJdkRk7naL10kH+fMPuu6HY4nOvVMlMA8PTbHXAux 5r2ufk+ej00cQ2kOGPLo7c3k32bvPsXfR3hixfVG6dp6tntmSq1kEt9V4mCL9wamCgtB GdY5UwrItXB/uOfmlR4Hd8Ps59ybXTrPTKOLRGBrRKTKmtc8PhdM4CfdjoZcp3EBPTHB wEeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcVDMMXwCfreEE332lXVZM7yAY7Y7QCWbXbdUkd2JFbSn03doLT RQWMStkzITeezJh6nrk4LYfrcZT5h3q1z5zO24w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227oLS8i8itIRpBbDBcmh9dkd5Nzk3J7Q8vorJBWDajHRC/EY0fMmJX6x8jlKlaye4pA15OHAQDpueUtdLdo/SE= X-Received: by 10.55.16.196 with SMTP id 65mr61364070qkq.110.1517565551665; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:59:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.147 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Romascanu Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 11:59:11 +0200 Message-ID: To: lmap@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1146f31aa163dc056437c3c7" Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] no lmap meting at IETF 101 X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 09:59:15 -0000 --001a1146f31aa163dc056437c3c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, There were no answers to my query about a meeting at IETF 101 so I am pushing the 'no meeting' button. Regards, Dan --001a1146f31aa163dc056437c3c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Hi,

There were no answers to my query about a meeting at IETF 101 so I am pushing the 'no meeting' button.

Regards,

Dan

--001a1146f31aa163dc056437c3c7-- From nobody Fri Feb 2 02:04:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietf.org Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4CF12711E; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 02:04:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: bclaise@cisco.com, lmap-chairs@ietf.org, dromasca@gmail.com, lmap@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.71.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151756585272.25625.5431751046070461074.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:04:12 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] lmap - Not having a session at IETF 101 X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 10:04:13 -0000 Dan Romascanu, a chair of the lmap working group, indicated that the lmap working group does not plan to hold a session at IETF 101. 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From nobody Sat Feb 3 06:21:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87B412D850 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 06:21:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tgp3PzNB5QqB for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 06:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B2221289B0 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 06:21:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=654; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1517667676; x=1518877276; h=from:subject:to:cc:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=CKjc72Gyh0bRjfv0dHp59kTlnn2GRODj5VI9SaPFNR0=; b=jqo05sB5dK+wOy3/CbE3rEV8T8n+5Z58DMVz807LXv5e4m508b6bJU+K 2TxAziyj1bo3nG2SvNK6SXCi3hFjXEAsufN+P2ithasmKkggHaS50DShq IOakyZjOeD9c7iScGlhWsa0TcnKYT6EldgtXrswwAykql2Mbq4pEHeZTy U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CAAQD8xHVa/xbLJq1bGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYUnhA2LGKcZggMKhTEKgxIUAQEBAQEBAQECax0LhU0VQTUCJgJ?= =?us-ascii?q?fDQgBAYoxujOCJ4UAg3aCBgEBAQEGAQEBASSBD4Nbg2yBaCmHb4NPgmUFil6JX?= =?us-ascii?q?I9rlXGCBYoyh34Cj1+IF4E8NiKBUDMaCBsVPYJHhHdAjGQBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,454,1511827200"; d="scan'208";a="1832879" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 03 Feb 2018 14:21:12 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.36] (ams-bclaise-nitro3.cisco.com [10.55.221.36]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w13ELCIN007204; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:21:12 GMT From: Benoit Claise To: "lmap@ietf.org" Cc: Ignas Bagdonas Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 15:21:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] LMAP: time to declare success ... ? X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 14:21:18 -0000 Dear all, No LMAP meeting at 99, 100, and 101. No emails on the list for 6 months except from the chairs. No active LMAP drafts. The charter speaks about the control and report protocols. draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 pages how RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP. Is it time to declare success and move on? Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I'll take action before stepping down as AD. Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in the Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so. 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Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it go. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun Feb 4 03:18:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409B5126CF6 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:18:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDdZS_miuBO7 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-f169.google.com (mail-qk0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F48F1200B9 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id d125so8833457qkg.13 for ; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 03:18:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DRULfG2VpM/+BaxJILBIZb0eDYYimKW8NUM/628c7yk=; b=mCqvVeX7LCpX40HI3dD7mdybd9QPn8ib9fAqqJ7nRwSZ0YHiwqs1hYaUYLF1AMlrq3 0fuOhUeanfTl3rV4y8tdLogLwh3o1xng7b9GKJAWsOnJ6UBOC6Bsgj+/d2exjjfMceAV +VHw6C/u1+EXv/0Ol5EmMwMnBCFYBHmESrn0fshM1DRbSz+/zkSFK0qq3EdPUZak1qFn vT+EzBZQerVLcOuPe2ETbn1mT7ev21dYErbLCpBy1jginNqXfCUpov77MqM4f3TocbJW Mddc/67ktTtjComOJNHVTwTGWhrnIH6kbeAjp156HiypEyJfrkXaRzpVc66mo67R2tH+ nXhw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DRULfG2VpM/+BaxJILBIZb0eDYYimKW8NUM/628c7yk=; b=RXXraks1W98813Xn+mnOs/VfSGweYr68ALHI2SRjsXFQy3O0wWUirGr9i8Tzkeb2Ki x1RWb+Fb31LU1aVH4L4tW61RFav7s+LvslZ4xRMhS94DMjmgMlSF22LHNGswFV53y0qb sDFAnnECWsLqo5spmV+uGvXqDk167XGJy9dpNH++aa7RRoVNTHaW7PO+f3AEBzZgNHww tWp+9Gx5uhJAQcsBBTHYXlioDdqF+A8ecCToT4MU8VSqUoco5iL/z4xGPb0svuIRAh41 1udN9RN40Sq7vEijpXkZoYnQAzLf/624zNACBQz5zb6EjfzMi/IYSrRQJ0CIrcTh0+FQ I89g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdvW65aBbLJa8h8dKL8Twuf+nKlRDLv948vGQRXc+B1iOQcLP7R 27nVmcohnYr2+mFVPX5jDjI9rTuj4YVs0v1fmvX0TA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226R1Pexz/poshM5SclOFuJRhCCVKnjBNt/uv1EuQmrvsnEbSaeezVNf4MZuqH7FiLbWp/u0b3FkduTe+6GhjXk= X-Received: by 10.55.73.1 with SMTP id w1mr26474680qka.215.1517743042355; Sun, 04 Feb 2018 03:17:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.147 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Feb 2018 03:17:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180203165418.5sg3dtqcjfuawk6v@elstar.local> References: <20180203165418.5sg3dtqcjfuawk6v@elstar.local> From: Dan Romascanu Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:17:21 +0200 Message-ID: To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Benoit Claise , "lmap@ietf.org" , Ignas Bagdonas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114a6de8e664cc05646116d2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: time to declare success ... ? X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:18:25 -0000 --001a114a6de8e664cc05646116d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I do not believe that we can really declare success without having completed one of the key goals of our charter. My opinion is that draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be done. We may be able to do it without keeping the WG active. If the WG closes, my preference would be OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream. Regards, Dan On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:21:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > > > > The charter speaks about the control and report protocols. > > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 pages how > > RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP. > > > > Is it time to declare success and move on? > > Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I'll > take > > action before stepping down as AD. > > > > Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in the > > Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so. > > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF > configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have > not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the > door. > > Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it > go. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap > --001a114a6de8e664cc05646116d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I do not believe that we can re= ally declare success without having completed one of the key goals of our c= harter. My opinion is that draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be= done. We may be able to do it without keeping the WG active. If the WG clo= ses, my preference would be OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream.

=
Regards,

Dan


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM,= Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-universi= ty.de> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:21:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> The charter speaks about the control and report protocols.
> draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 page= s how
> RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP.
>
> Is it time to declare success and move on?
> Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I= 9;ll take
> action before stepping down as AD.
>
> Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in t= he
> Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so= .

draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF=
configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have
not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the
door.

Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting
draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it go.

/js

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<2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114DD0F8A3@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114DD0F8A3@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171215 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: time to declare success ... ? X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:20:33 -0000 In this case, we need to know what the final NETCONF/RESTCONF configuration model offers us. Kent Watsen (main author of the relevant documents) is arguing that the client side configuration coming out of the NETCONF WG should be a grouping that this grouping should be instantiated in the contexts where client side configuration is needed. I think he does have a point there and if this is the final result, we would have to instantiate this grouping somewhere in an LMAP configuration YANG module (I was hoping we would not need that but Kent might be right). Since the stuff we depend on is not yet stable nor settled, I think we should not move the wait state to the RFC editor queue. I am somewhat optimistic that the NMDA work is done by IETF 101 and this may help getting back to the other work items. That said, the NETCONF/RESTCONF configuration work is generally not seen as the most pressing work in the NETCONF WG so I would not make any predictions when this might be stable enough to complete the LMAP work item. /js On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 02:46:33PM +0000, STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > I’ve seen drafts-with-dependencies in other WGs get sent up the publication chain and then just sit in the RFC Editors queue until the dependencies were done. I had one that waited well over a year. Is there anything that is keeping this draft from having publication requested, and then just waiting? That is, do we think the work on the dependencies has a significant probability of either never being done or resulting in substantive changes to this draft? > Barbara > > From: lmap [mailto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dan Romascanu > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 6:17 AM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder ; Benoit Claise ; lmap@ietf.org; Ignas Bagdonas > Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: time to declare success ... ? > > Hi, > I do not believe that we can really declare success without having completed one of the key goals of our charter. My opinion is that draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be done. We may be able to do it without keeping the WG active. If the WG closes, my preference would be OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream. > Regards, > Dan > > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote: > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:21:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > > > > The charter speaks about the control and report protocols. > > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 pages how > > RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP. > > > > Is it time to declare success and move on? > > Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I'll take > > action before stepping down as AD. > > > > Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in the > > Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so. > > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF > configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have > not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the > door. > > Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it > go. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Feb 14 01:43:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8465126D73 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:43:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S3McaErxmABv for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4AA126CF9 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:43:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7928; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1518601386; x=1519810986; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=G0Nxriy9lV9lVFmOLe2FvBYuB4mponzUI/5rPQBGze0=; b=H5A4tYDQU1ramIygMk9Dpmkwzhj25ephhcYHfiH+7wq4yyJIienEzLdv jdQJfSWzYzeF5z06PyqbVySsbGyddKTBC03T7gGlIjGYKOYNggp6V38kt uyPpH0RUq1mvQD/1EALsQiUd/IYe/QnrIaUe4kKa6q6MBTAvBui3Lg15G c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B2AQBUBIRa/xbLJq1ZAxkBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEHAQEBAQGDJYETcCiDZYsYjw4ngReQZodzChgBCoM6gV4Cg0gUAQIBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQECayiFJAEBAQMBASFLGQIJAg4CCCcDAgIbDB8RBgEMBgIBAYoxEJIfnXSCJ?= =?us-ascii?q?yaEW4N/ghMBAQEBAQEBAQIBAQEBAQEBAQEBGQUFhHyDbIFoKQyCeYMvAQECghA?= =?us-ascii?q?mglCCZQWKY4lgj2sJlgSMPIgIj3+IGYE8NiIlgSszGggbFT2CRoIcgV8BB3VAN?= =?us-ascii?q?41sAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,511,1511827200"; d="scan'208,217";a="2062455" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Feb 2018 09:42:58 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.36] (ams-bclaise-nitro3.cisco.com [10.55.221.36]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w1E9gwBt026106; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:42:58 GMT To: Dan Romascanu , Juergen Schoenwaelder , "lmap@ietf.org" , Ignas Bagdonas References: <20180203165418.5sg3dtqcjfuawk6v@elstar.local> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <9b11d4cf-740a-e942-6359-e7a727e43600@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:42:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------34693187FDCD412A7985CCE0" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] LMAP: time to declare success ... ? X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:43:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------34693187FDCD412A7985CCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Dan, "declaring success?" was an image to mean "shall we close the WG?" If my memory serves me well... At charter time (in 2013!), there were discussions regarding the data models and specific protocols. YANG was not necessary a given or even a goal. When specifying a YANG data model, that simplified the choice of associated protocols. Regards, Benoit > Hi, > > I do not believe that we can really declare success without having > completed one of the key goals of our charter. My opinion is that > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be done. We may be able to do > it without keeping the WG active. If the WG closes, my preference > would be OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:21:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > > > > The charter speaks about the control and report protocols. > > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 > pages how > > RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP. > > > > Is it time to declare success and move on? > > Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 > weeks, I'll take > > action before stepping down as AD. > > > > Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still > proceed in the > > Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to > do so. > > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF > configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have > not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the > door. > > Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it > go. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder           Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587         >  Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103         >   > > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap > > > --------------34693187FDCD412A7985CCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Dan,

"declaring success?" was an image to mean "shall we close the WG?"

If my memory serves me well... At charter time (in 2013!), there were discussions regarding the data models and specific protocols. YANG was not necessary a given or even a goal. When specifying a YANG data model, that simplified the choice of associated protocols.

Regards, Benoit
Hi,

I do not believe that we can really declare success without having completed one of the key goals of our charter. My opinion is that draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be done. We may be able to do it without keeping the WG active. If the WG closes, my preference would be OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream.

Regards,

Dan


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:21:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> The charter speaks about the control and report protocols.
> draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 pages how
> RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP.
>
> Is it time to declare success and move on?
> Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I'll take
> action before stepping down as AD.
>
> Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in the
> Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so.

draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF
configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have
not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the
door.

Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting
draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it
go.

/js

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X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:05:29 -0000 --f4f5e80caf10cf724905652bc37a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Benoit, Actually the WG made a choice also related to the protocol to associate with YANG for LMAP - RESTCONF. The role of draft-ietf-lmap-restconf was to document this choice and detail the specifics. Just to be clear, I am personally fine with closing the WG. I believe that in order to really complete the charter we need to approve and publish draft-ietf-lmap-restconf to RFC. If the WG closes this can be done better IMO in opsawg. It would be good to mention this in the WG closing message. Regards, Dan On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Hi Dan, > > "declaring success?" was an image to mean "shall we close the WG?" > > If my memory serves me well... At charter time (in 2013!), there were > discussions regarding the data models and specific protocols. YANG was not > necessary a given or even a goal. When specifying a YANG data model, that > simplified the choice of associated protocols. > > Regards, Benoit > > Hi, > > I do not believe that we can really declare success without having > completed one of the key goals of our charter. My opinion is that > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be done. We may be able to do it > without keeping the WG active. If the WG closes, my preference would be > OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:21:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: >> > >> > The charter speaks about the control and report protocols. >> > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 pages how >> > RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP. >> > >> > Is it time to declare success and move on? >> > Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I'll >> take >> > action before stepping down as AD. >> > >> > Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in the >> > Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so. >> >> draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF >> configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have >> not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the >> door. >> >> Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting >> draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it >> go. >> >> /js >> >> -- >> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 <%2B49%20421%20200%203587> Campus Ring 1 >> | 28759 Bremen | Germany >> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <%2B49%20421%20200%203103> < >> https://www.jacobs-university.de/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lmap mailing list >> lmap@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap >> > > > --f4f5e80caf10cf724905652bc37a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Benoit,

Actually the = WG made a choice also related to the protocol to associate with YANG for LM= AP - RESTCONF. The role of draft-ietf-lmap-restconf was to document this ch= oice and detail the specifics.

Just to be clear, I am persona= lly fine with closing the WG. I believe that in order to really complete th= e charter we need to approve and publish draft-ietf-lmap-restconf to RFC. I= f the WG closes this can be done better IMO in opsawg. It would be good to = mention this in the WG closing message.

Regards,

Dan


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>= ; wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hi Dan,

"declaring success?" was an image to mean "shall we cl= ose the WG?"

If my memory serves me well... At charter time (in 2013!), there were discussions regarding the data models and specific protocols. YANG was not necessary a given or even a goal. When specifying a YANG data model, that simplified the choice of associated protocols.

Regards, Benoit
=20
Hi,

I do not believe that we can really declare success without having completed one of the key goals of our charter. My opinion is that draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt needs to be done. We may be able to do it without keeping the WG active. If the WG closes, my preference would be OPSAWG rather than Independent Stream.

Regards,

Dan


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-un= iversity.de> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:2= 1:12PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> The charter speaks about the control and report protocols.
> draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt, now expired, describes in 7 pages how
> RESTCONF can be used with a YANG data model for LMAP. >
> Is it time to declare success and move on?
> Unless there are spectacular activities in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I'll take
> action before stepping down as AD.
>
> Note that publishing draft-ietf-lmap-restconf could still proceed in the
> Independent Submission Stream, if there is some future energy to do so.

draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt depends on the NETCONF/RESTCONF
configuration drafts done in the NETCONF WG; these NETCONF I-Ds have
not been moving because people put priority on getting NMDA out of the
door.

Since nobody seems to be pushing for getting
draft-ietf-lmap-restconf-04.txt done, it might be OK to just let it
go.

/js

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--f4f5e80caf10cf724905652bc37a-- From nobody Mon Feb 19 11:56:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B1D12785F; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:56:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PVz5BZtmss62; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1598128959; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:56:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=595; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1519070180; x=1520279780; h=from:subject:to:cc:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=PF4c+OvuzMaclFC+WpIVu0qXoI2zImz6esDjoOiULUI=; b=jjm5ygjiDdRBhSEohexH0K8MWicXi+F+1+nOLRHXaZYKIveRDAdMST7g Fzg256cRMsJMdeNQrwekTnAn2Fgio1gdnGQmyP+k47GAoWvEEK1gFAL7X CrMWhVAdpt7d5MSaWDZI6e8XI40T/KB3V8J+K+pKPNXdN2cuE+t2pQrHJ 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BTAgAZK4ta/5tdJa1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYNPgVaED5gpgVuBPpZdggIKhTuCXVgUAQIBAQEBAQECax0LhU0?= =?us-ascii?q?VNgs1AiYCXw0IAQGKHrY8gieFAYN4ghMBAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBAQEggQ+DfIIog?= =?us-ascii?q?VeBaCkMh2SDT4JlBZNokE0JggqUAIIHijWIC5AFiBqBPDYigVEzGggbFTqCRIU?= =?us-ascii?q?TI44qAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,536,1511827200"; d="scan'208";a="72424679" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Feb 2018 19:56:20 +0000 Received: from [10.82.169.2] ([10.82.169.2]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w1JJuJV9012719; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:56:19 GMT From: Benoit Claise To: "lmap@ietf.org" Cc: "ops-ads@ietf.org" Message-ID: <7f4700f8-95fb-4095-c4f5-fa184766eeaf@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:56:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] Closure of the LMAP WG X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:56:30 -0000 Dear all, In light of the recent discussion and, in agreement with Warren Kumari, it's now time to close the LMAP WG. We took into consideration that the draft-ietf-lmap-restconf item still needs to complete. When there will be energy and time to proceed with this work item, this could proceed in OPSAWG. The mailing list will remain in place for some time. I would like to thank the authors of the four LMAP RFCs (RFC7536, RFC7594, RFC8193, and RFC8194), the reviewers, and the entire WG. And finally thanks a lot to the our LMAP chairs Dan and Jason. Regards, Benoit From nobody Mon Feb 19 13:14:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7772124E15; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MCQUsoBRiKLF; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B83BF1200B9; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id z197so13943009qkb.6; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mtgua4RwzHkdzXyZ1jk5p/oOhYbf1hc7Ze01zAMxPOs=; b=kQBOrDRIOIEDSu1sHnhNJEQVdPtl8Hl3+o1kvxLIozXU9iGa69DNZNr95Fp+QgvR1Y fRn3h+/Z4n3itqKtDbUO7VWIVor2WVXAMrKyrYZmoyWeT13PXOuBQEhSTFBXJBUF4gtv +EGyv93DV8ahpnqmC6uxjFTuhWj/AHTzEvOcJc6Zw3ytbIZA2Hjag74hZuNJo5VpwxCI jlP/8bgoFAOGV16A/frybscnshFM3jpPKsrPjiE30R7aG/JVudYmV8nUcIMyB+S0pGCW OcrZpBp1ksybACBIC7zdLhDrrKx1AGDi8XIJ/i2sRhAYVvxYR+UsVDvlynBMyvz5/SiL 56lQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mtgua4RwzHkdzXyZ1jk5p/oOhYbf1hc7Ze01zAMxPOs=; b=jqdMDKZZnhXDtYYvH4nYwSnFUuqoiqTT0Nu5MEY86ZYEUo0wPZznOce7VcVmPSw+sX XHdLKAiQNRBpkJqZAQF77cZgzf43cFe6zyw5/+YwxnMkG3/XhPoDkAZXZp3oA1wdgSm7 ZBp5bYNb/GxZ6elY1v83Ik+0IY1jUkgxevZuj0MDUiavGdprr4UIb5VOFY87gKZaQQ7U Jn33w60/aiw/4ZMeZPJmZQDHSsclWR4aaeQ64UygX9c3MFc1bDjZvCzqPzmyl1SYcB1e vcwmJcEcLsJj8N26kcwdCHXzzG8651A4V4RiQyQFME4jsoQGw7XBUI926YOSlU+UFSnL b78w== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPC3VH1SFv83Cb3GWyI27biLxYVN5CS+zBc1Pc3kOgHC0KARKUBN ba/eYB3v/frlznYkpWIDArOO9K4N5vDNRHqtIyk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225QWAZjV9e8KdHgRnYfPtvzUyT2Fsuc2XPHZGrwiTlgc4vEmi3pUxQq+fgHdiORNTlg7koNlxhvnypGBpGs7yo= X-Received: by 10.55.75.151 with SMTP id y145mr26478549qka.281.1519074847897; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.200 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7f4700f8-95fb-4095-c4f5-fa184766eeaf@cisco.com> References: <7f4700f8-95fb-4095-c4f5-fa184766eeaf@cisco.com> From: Dan Romascanu Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 23:14:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: Benoit Claise Cc: "lmap@ietf.org" , "ops-ads@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114a8236b246830565972c97" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lmap] Closure of the LMAP WG X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:14:11 -0000 --001a114a8236b246830565972c97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks for the coaching and support, Benoit! Congratulations to all the authors and contributors. Regards, Dan On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, > > In light of the recent discussion and, in agreement with Warren Kumari, > it's now time to close the LMAP WG. We took into consideration that the > draft-ietf-lmap-restconf item still needs to complete. When there will be > energy and time to proceed with this work item, this could proceed in > OPSAWG. > > The mailing list will remain in place for some time. > > I would like to thank the authors of the four LMAP RFCs (RFC7536, RFC7594, > RFC8193, and RFC8194), the reviewers, and the entire WG. And finally thanks > a lot to the our LMAP chairs Dan and Jason. > > Regards, Benoit > > _______________________________________________ > lmap mailing list > lmap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lmap > --001a114a8236b246830565972c97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the coaching and support, Benoit= !

Congratulations to all the authors and contributors.
Regards,

Dan

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Benoit Claise= <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
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--001a114a8236b246830565972c97-- From nobody Fri Feb 23 08:25:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lmap@ietf.org Delivered-To: lmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03161270A3; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:25:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF Announcement List" Cc: dromasca@gmail.com, jweil72@gmail.com, lmap@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: <151940311194.24070.17523381888705726824.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:25:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [lmap] WG Action: Conclusion of Large-Scale Measurement of Broadband Performance (lmap) X-BeenThere: lmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Large Scale Measurement of Access network Performance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:25:12 -0000 The Large-Scale Measurement of Broadband Performance (lmap) WG in the Operations and Management Area has concluded. The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Warren Kumari. The mailing list will remain open. Thanks the authors of the four LMAP RFCs (RFC7536, RFC7594, RFC8193, and RFC8194), the reviewers, and the entire WG. And finally thanks a lot to the our LMAP chairs, Dan and Jason.