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I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. 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It looks quite relevant to 6lo WG workarea. We, 6lo-chairs will contact Scott and the ITU-T contact person provided in the liaison note. Will discuss with you on a separate email regarding the steps to connect. -Samita On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their > Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item > titled "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things > Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is 2018/01/28. = The > statement can be found at > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/ > > I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced > documents. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. > > Thanks > Suresh > > > _______________________________________________ > 6lo mailing list > 6lo@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lo > --f403045f8a4c46c781055aa0780a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Suresh, for sharing the information. It looks quite= relevant to 6lo WG workarea. We, 6lo-chairs will contact Scott and the ITU= -T contact person provided in the liaison note.=C2=A0
Will discuss with= you on a separate email regarding the steps to connect.

-Samita

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan = <suresh.k= rishnan@gmail.com> wrote:
H= i all,
=C2=A0 The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their = Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item tit= led "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is 2018/01/28. Th= e statement can be found at

https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/

I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced docu= ments. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process.

Thanks
Suresh


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--aimMwMvipI8ubqehFnBA0cXd41XnqDtb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Alper, Those changes seem fine to me. They'll be in -07 shortly. Cheers, S. On 23/09/17 11:57, Alper Yegin wrote: > Hello dear LPWAN WG members, >=20 > As promised, and with apologies for delay, here=E2=80=99s the proposed = changes for the LoRaWAN sections of the LPWAN Overview I-D; with the aim = to provide more details. >=20 > Following is the currently available first paragraph in Section 2.1.1 P= rovenance and Documents: >=20 > LoRaWAN is a wireless technology for long-range low-power low-data- > rate applications developed by the LoRa Alliance, a membership > consortium. This draft is based on= > version 1.0.2 [LoRaSpec] of the LoRa specification. Version 1.0, > which has also seen some deployment, is available at [LoRaSpec1.0]. >=20 > Here=E2=80=99s the proposed rewrite: >=20 > LoRaWAN is an ISM-based wireless technology for long-range low-power= low-data- > rate applications developed by the LoRa Alliance, a membership > consortium. This draft is based on= > version 1.0.2 [LoRaSpec] of the LoRa specification. That specificati= on > is publicly available and has already seen several deployments acros= s the=20 > globe. >=20 >=20 > Let=E2=80=99s add the following paragraph at the beginning of Section 2= =2E1.2. 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Belatedly responding to your various mails as I get the -07 ready. On 28/07/17 22:47, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > Here are my comments after reading the overview document: > page 4. > LoRaWAN acronym? It's not quite an acronym afaik. > page 8. > NwkID in Table 3, is it supposed to be NetID? Yep, I think you're right. > p.9 > DevEUI and AppEUI > I think they refer to the device and the application MAC addresses > in 64-bits Yes, those are explained in the text I think. > p. 13 > The 3GPP radio protocol architecture is illustration in Figure 4 > s/illustration/illustrated Yep, ta. >=20 > control plane protocol stack and data plane protocol stack section > numbering is missing I think that's ok, a 2-level TOC is enough. > p.14 > EPC not defined There are lots of nb-IoT/LTE terms there that could be better explained. But if you want to offer text for some of those I'd be happy to add that. > Fig. 1, Fig. 7 refer to non-3GPP architectures which means LoRaWAN, SIG= FOX > and Wi-SUN are basically IEEE 802.15.4 type of technologies? I'm not sure what change you'd like. >=20 > Regarding battery life, referred to on Page 11 for NB-IoT and p.15 for > SIGFOX, p.21 for Wi_SUN, > if these technologies are used to connect devices like refrigerators wh= ich > are almost always powered up, why long term battery life is an issue? > On the other hand the use on the pets is a different issue. Even when mounted on a mains-powered bit of equipment, sometimes these devices run on their own battery. On 28/07/17 23:17, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > More comments: > p.13 & p.24 > P-GW is packet data network gateway > it is not application server, the classification in Fig. 8 seems to be > correct. Sorry, not sure what you mean. Figure 3 and that text were contributed by folks who know more than me about that, but if you'd like to suggest specific text I'd be happy to make a change, if there are no objections on the list. On 31/07/17 22:40, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Comments on Section 4: > p.28 > Valid Lifetime in the 6CO it should be > > 6LoWPAN Context Option Ack. Ta. > > p.30 > s/LPWANs nodes/LPWAN nodes Ack. Ta. > p.31 > staple OCSP responses > > Online Certificate Status > Protocol (OCSP) Ack. Ta. > > p.30 section 4.8 second paragraph: > add the use of a gateway with LTE uplink as a mobility solution. I'm not sure what specific text you'd like. Cheers, S. > > Cheers, S. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Behcet > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:46 AM, wrote: >=20 >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Network= s WG >> of the IETF. >> >> Title : LPWAN Overview >> Author : Stephen Farrell >> Filename : draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt >> Pages : 41 >> Date : 2017-07-21 >> >> Abstract: >> Low Power Wide Area Networks (LPWAN) are wireless technologies with= >> characteristics such as large coverage areas, low bandwidth, possib= ly >> very small packet and application layer data sizes and long battery= >> life operation. This memo is an informational overview of the set = of >> LPWAN technologies being considered in the IETF and of the gaps tha= t >> exist between the needs of those technologies and the goal of runni= ng >> IP in LPWANs. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lp-wan mailing list >> lp-wan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >> >=20 --JemgRpJ27xxBLEPHvju5t7q1rVl8kOn62-- --EsPOK2NCFRMxNrCGTFxnmV9g1rCHM83AM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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boundary="94eb2c1b5e8a6f5680055aa5d8e0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Review of draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:13:46 -0000 --94eb2c1b5e8a6f5680055aa5d8e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > Thanks for the review. > > Belatedly responding to your various mails as I get > the -07 ready. > > On 28/07/17 22:47, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Here are my comments after reading the overview document: > > page 4. > > LoRaWAN acronym? > > It's not quite an acronym afaik. > > > page 8. > > NwkID in Table 3, is it supposed to be NetID? > > Yep, I think you're right. > > > p.9 > > DevEUI and AppEUI > > I think they refer to the device and the application MAC addresses > > in 64-bits > > Yes, those are explained in the text I think. > > > p. 13 > > The 3GPP radio protocol architecture is illustration in Figure 4 > > s/illustration/illustrated > > Yep, ta. > > > > > control plane protocol stack and data plane protocol stack section > > numbering is missing > > I think that's ok, a 2-level TOC is enough. > > > p.14 > > EPC not defined > > Evolved Packet Core (EPC) There are lots of nb-IoT/LTE terms there that could be > better explained. But if you want to offer text for some > of those I'd be happy to add that. > > > Fig. 1, Fig. 7 refer to non-3GPP architectures which means LoRaWAN, > SIGFOX > > and Wi-SUN are basically IEEE 802.15.4 type of technologies? > > I'm not sure what change you'd like. > > Maybe state that Wireless Smart Ubiquitous Network (Wi-SUN) is based on the IEEE 802.15.4g standard, therefore it is mesh network while Low Power Wide Area Network (LoRaWAN), SIGFOX support star architecture and are built on proprietary technologies. > > > Regarding battery life, referred to on Page 11 for NB-IoT and p.15 for > > SIGFOX, p.21 for Wi_SUN, > > if these technologies are used to connect devices like refrigerators > which > > are almost always powered up, why long term battery life is an issue? > > On the other hand the use on the pets is a different issue. > > Even when mounted on a mains-powered bit of equipment, > sometimes these devices run on their own battery. > > maybe add some text like above including mobility. On 28/07/17 23:17, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > > More comments: > > p.13 & p.24 > > P-GW is packet data network gateway > > it is not application server, the classification in Fig. 8 seems to be > > correct. > > Sorry, not sure what you mean. Figure 3 and that text were > contributed by folks who know more than me about that, but > if you'd like to suggest specific text I'd be happy to make > a change, if there are no objections on the list. > > I meant change this: Packet Data Node Gateway (P-GW) to packet data network gateway > On 31/07/17 22:40, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > > Comments on Section 4: > > p.28 > > Valid Lifetime in the 6CO it should be > > > > 6LoWPAN Context Option > > Ack. Ta. > > > > > p.30 > > s/LPWANs nodes/LPWAN nodes > > Ack. Ta. > > > p.31 > > staple OCSP responses > > > > Online Certificate Status > > Protocol (OCSP) > > Ack. Ta. > > > > > p.30 section 4.8 second paragraph: > > add the use of a gateway with LTE uplink as a mobility solution. > > I'm not sure what specific text you'd like. > > Add to the second paragraph NEMO [RFC3963 ] Mobility solutions or a gateway with LTE uplink may be used ... Cheers, Behcet Cheers, > S. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > S. > > > > > Regards, > > > > Behcet > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:46 AM, wrote: > > > >> > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >> directories. > >> This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks > WG > >> of the IETF. > >> > >> Title : LPWAN Overview > >> Author : Stephen Farrell > >> Filename : draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt > >> Pages : 41 > >> Date : 2017-07-21 > >> > >> Abstract: > >> Low Power Wide Area Networks (LPWAN) are wireless technologies with > >> characteristics such as large coverage areas, low bandwidth, possibly > >> very small packet and application layer data sizes and long battery > >> life operation. 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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Stephen Farrell <<= a href=3D"mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie" target=3D"_blank">stephen.farre= ll@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:

Hiya,

Thanks for the review.

Belatedly responding to your various mails as I get
the -07 ready.

On 28/07/17 22:47, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here are my comments after reading the overview document:
> page 4.
> LoRaWAN acronym?

It's not quite an acronym afaik.

> page 8.
> NwkID in Table 3, is it supposed to be NetID?

Yep, I think you're right.

> p.9
> DevEUI and AppEUI
> I think they refer to the device and the application MAC addresses
> in 64-bits

Yes, those are explained in the text I think.

> p. 13
> The 3GPP radio protocol architecture is illustration in Figure 4
> s/illustration/illustrated

Yep, ta.

>
> control plane protocol stack and data plane protocol stack section
> numbering is missing

I think that's ok, a 2-level TOC is enough.

> p.14
> EPC not defined

Evolved Packet Core (EPC)

There are lots of nb-IoT/LTE terms there that could be
better explained. But if you want to offer text for some
of those I'd be happy to add that.

> Fig. 1, Fig. 7 refer to non-3GPP architectures which means LoRaWAN, SI= GFOX
> and Wi-SUN are basically IEEE 802.15.4 type of technologies?

I'm not sure what change you'd like.

Maybe state that Wireless Smart Ubiquitous Network (W= i-SUN) is based on the IEEE 802.15.4g standard, therefore it is mesh networ= k while Low Power Wide Area Network (LoRaWAN), SIGFOX support star archite= cture and are built on proprietary technologies.

>
> Regarding battery life, referred to on Page 11 for NB-IoT and p.15 for=
> SIGFOX, p.21 for Wi_SUN,
> if these technologies are used to connect devices like refrigerators w= hich
> are almost always powered up, why long term battery life is an issue?<= br> > On the other hand the use on the pets is a different issue.

Even when mounted on a mains-powered bit of equipment,
sometimes these devices run on their own battery.

maybe add some text like above including mobility.

On 28/07/17 23:17, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> More comments:
> p.13 & p.24
> P-GW is packet data network gateway
> it is not application server, the classification in Fig. 8 seems to be=
> correct.

Sorry, not sure what you mean. Figure 3 and that text were
contributed by folks who know more than me about that, but
if you'd like to suggest specific text I'd be happy to make
a change, if there are no objections on the list.

I meant change this:
Packet Data Node Gateway (P-GW) 

to
packet data network gateway

On 31/07/17 22:40, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> Comments on Section 4:
> p.28
> Valid Lifetime in the 6CO it should be
>
> 6LoWPAN Context Option

Ack. Ta.

>
> p.30
> s/LPWANs nodes/LPWAN nodes

Ack. Ta.

> p.31
> staple OCSP responses
>
> Online Certificate Status
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Protocol (OCSP)

Ack. Ta.

>
> p.30 section 4.8 second paragraph:
> add the use of a gateway with LTE uplink as a mobility solution.

I'm not sure what specific text you'd like.


Add to the second paragraph
=
NEMO [RFC3963] Mobility = solutions
or a gateway with LTE uplink
may be used ...<= /div>

Cheers,
Behcet

Cheers,
S.

>
>


Cheers,
S.

>
> Regards,
>
> Behcet
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:46 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Net= works WG
>> of the IETF.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0: LPWAN Overview
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Author=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 : Stephen Farrell
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 : draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0: 41
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 2017-07-21
>>
>> Abstract:
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Low Power Wide Area Networks (LPWAN) are wireless tec= hnologies with
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 characteristics such as large coverage areas, low ban= dwidth, possibly
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 very small packet and application layer data sizes an= d long battery
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 life operation.=C2=A0 This memo is an informational o= verview of the set of
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LPWAN technologies being considered in the IETF and o= f the gaps that
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 exist between the needs of those technologies and the= goal of running
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IP in LPWANs.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview/
>>
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06
>> https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06
>>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdif= f?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of<= br> >> submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
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This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG of the IETF. Title : LPWAN Overview Author : Stephen Farrell Filename : draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2017-10-03 Abstract: Low Power Wide Area Networks (LPWAN) are wireless technologies with characteristics such as large coverage areas, low bandwidth, possibly very small packet and application layer data sizes and long battery life operation. This memo is an informational overview of the set of LPWAN technologies being considered in the IETF and of the gaps that exist between the needs of those technologies and the goal of running IP in LPWANs. 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On 03/10/17 16:07, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> p.14 >>> EPC not defined >> > Evolved Packet Core (EPC) Ack. Ta. >=20 > There are lots of nb-IoT/LTE terms there that could be >> better explained. But if you want to offer text for some >> of those I'd be happy to add that. >> >>> Fig. 1, Fig. 7 refer to non-3GPP architectures which means LoRaWAN, >> SIGFOX >>> and Wi-SUN are basically IEEE 802.15.4 type of technologies? >> >> I'm not sure what change you'd like. >> > Maybe state that Wireless Smart Ubiquitous Network (Wi-SUN) is based on= > the IEEE 802.15.4g standard, therefore it is mesh network while Low Pow= er > Wide Area Network (LoRaWAN), SIGFOX support star architecture and are b= uilt > on proprietary technologies. I suspect that the proponents of those might not like the term proprietary and the point about mesh and star networks is already made I think. >=20 >> >>> Regarding battery life, referred to on Page 11 for NB-IoT and p.15 fo= r >>> SIGFOX, p.21 for Wi_SUN, >>> if these technologies are used to connect devices like refrigerators >> which >>> are almost always powered up, why long term battery life is an issue?= >>> On the other hand the use on the pets is a different issue. >> >> Even when mounted on a mains-powered bit of equipment, >> sometimes these devices run on their own battery. >> > maybe add some text like above including mobility. Again, if you'd like to offer text, we could look at that but I think that point is pretty clear really to anyone who'd read this document. >=20 > On 28/07/17 23:17, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> More comments: >>> p.13 & p.24 >>> P-GW is packet data network gateway >>> it is not application server, the classification in Fig. 8 seems to b= e >>> correct. >> >> Sorry, not sure what you mean. Figure 3 and that text were >> contributed by folks who know more than me about that, but >> if you'd like to suggest specific text I'd be happy to make >> a change, if there are no objections on the list. >> >> I meant change this: >=20 > Packet Data Node Gateway (P-GW) >=20 > to > packet data network gateway Ah, gotcha. Sure, if that's better. >>> p.30 section 4.8 second paragraph: >>> add the use of a gateway with LTE uplink as a mobility solution. >> >> I'm not sure what specific text you'd like. >> >> > Add to the second paragraph > NEMO [RFC3963 ] Mobility solutions= > or a gateway with LTE uplink > may be used ... Fair enough. Added text along those lines. Version -07 will pop out shortly with these and the changes from Alper. 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([2601:647:4d01:db10:513d:a67a:c717:2308]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm14990882wmm.22.2017.10.03.09.30.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Oct 2017 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <9F2E96BD-F1C5-4DF4-95DB-0AF5CBB5B6AC@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_091AFA1F-AD88-42AA-AFB6-C6F45CB1560E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:30:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Bob Hinden , Suresh Krishnan , int-area , its@ietf.org, int-dir@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org, iot-dir , lo <6lo@ietf.org>, lp-wan@ietf.org, IPv6 List , 6tisch <6tisch@ietf.org> To: Samita Chakrabarti References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 23:53:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] [6lo] Liaison statement received from ITU-T regarding a "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things Deployment" X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:30:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_091AFA1F-AD88-42AA-AFB6-C6F45CB1560E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 6man as well, depending on what is in the actual document. Bob > On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:42 AM, Samita Chakrabarti = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Suresh, for sharing the information. It looks quite relevant to = 6lo WG workarea. We, 6lo-chairs will contact Scott and the ITU-T contact = person provided in the liaison note. > Will discuss with you on a separate email regarding the steps to = connect. >=20 > -Samita >=20 > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan = wrote: > Hi all, > The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their = Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item = titled "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things > Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is = 2018/01/28. The statement can be found at >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/ >=20 > I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced = documents. 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([2600:8802:5600:e::1ef9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 55sm25009972wrw.60.2017.10.03.10.09.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.2\)) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:09:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: 6lo@ietf.org, 6man WG , 6tisch@ietf.org, int-area , int-dir@ietf.org, iot-dir@ietf.org, its@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org To: Suresh Krishnan References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.2) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 23:53:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Liaison statement received from ITU-T regarding a "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things Deployment" X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:10:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks. I would like to also get operational commentary from v6ops. Like = you, when I search for the document, I come up to a paywall; the = document is not openly available. Please forward either the document or = the link when ITU decides to get serious about asking for comment. A general comment: the model being followed in RFC 4861 and in the = various IOT groups is fundamentally as follows. The IPv6 address = consists of a prefix and an IID. In the general Internet, routing = operates on prefixes, and a subnet is identified by a prefix. Within a = subnet defined by WiFi, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.15.4/4g, Power Line = Communication technologies, and the like, network elements generally use = some form of host routing, whether source or distributed, on the = presumption that topologies may be continuously changing or devices may = be moving. 6LowPAN specifically has some recommendations on the = structure of the address designed to minimize the actual size of an IPv6 = header, and in many of them, that is treated as a lower layer problem. = I'd like to believe that the work party is sufficiently clued in to not = want to materially change that without discussing it with us (putting = documents behind a paywall not being a great example of open = discussion). > On Oct 2, 2017, at 7:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan = wrote: >=20 > Hi all, > The IETF has received a liaison statement from the ITU-T that their = Study Group SG20 is inviting inputs from the IETF regarding a work item = titled "Reference Model of IPv6 Addressing Plan for Internet of Things > Deployment=E2=80=9D and the deadline for providing inputs is = 2018/01/28. The statement can be found at >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1546/ >=20 > I have no further info and I am trying to get access to the referenced = documents. I just want to provide a heads up while that is in process. >=20 > Thanks > Suresh >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEctjlJjQmVrp9uMq7EhdRnd2GP+AFAlnTxGAACgkQEhdRnd2G P+AF5BAAj9UyZajt/xa+V+GsLX1GtdYWbxcK4uaE+IHh+uiMepuiO8GGsQDGS8gY VVaReppQX78F0Kt1n6bY1h+zBQMZUsOiU6rd0iEJROGw+/3uWFwETlk6ilGXN7z4 ym/rdDuH7H8VdzU1J2Q4DMwNNTGOigckWH25mREzckV9kKpxe7trJaovcMG1GveT x/Z3b25E9xkZ9fea5vBeEuyBYVec67WMdyE8nzcPNDf7dHxbrwFNw1Hj1e6VXoKY sGDtHar8lF9jRncygnahMsJxoOY2bff0a1h3jhP3knCtoy2ohAlfEFD0g8tVCpKH MMyJBfZb8e51NnP7ABfqb16wdoesFamLVxi9rE6Yb5/F+dhbc7UP8n/Mj5PY51mk LzjPPXRAILEf/Gs4hmay6iWhHvyB+CQfgv1AbpwH5ObzU0oXl70QD9sthnleCg6R lHla8TEKjU8iL0ah4bbEEz81/LAcsVQCHTv613YsdrYtnrOq28TNJmf5Shj4spMM AfsGNyqrilfcN0kFcLdNjWWc45EJhrc2n0rbJffu/BKYrpExuRksenE1LRBsMTCx V65kR4wpSz1c/WZeI9/YQ6p/C+f292fFIF832kt5kAIk4zhjC87GFw2xV9KMiIsp qD6kF0lKMmRNx37tlIru5O/uNlK9AhH5ad89/4IisjEztMPK6RQ= =85O7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AC7519D8-F1F8-4BBC-80B7-99E42407407D-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 00:05:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B08912EC30 for ; 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boundary="_000_8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:05:13 -0700 Subject: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 06:57:35 -0000 --_000_8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? 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Authors, Contributors, ( an= d WG if you are aware of something ),

 

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--_000_8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 00:19:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E03813306F for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:19:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bqZccuaBuFrg for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from violet.upc.es (violet.upc.es [147.83.2.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD5591321CB for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from entelserver.upc.edu (entelserver.upc.es [147.83.39.4]) by violet.upc.es (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v947JkA0032132 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:19:46 +0200 Received: from webmail.entel.upc.edu (webmail.entel.upc.edu [147.83.39.6]) by entelserver.upc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFA31D53C1; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.193.93.143 by webmail.entel.upc.edu with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:19:41 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:19:41 +0200 From: "Carles Gomez Montenegro" To: lp-wan@ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21-1.fc14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at violet X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: ACL matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (violet.upc.es [147.83.2.51]); Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:19:46 +0200 (CEST) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Problem with downlink fragmentation (and proposed solution) X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 07:19:51 -0000 Dear LPWANners, I would like to report a possible problem with downlink fragmentation in Window mode - ACK Always, and a possible solution for it. The problem *********** Let us assume *downlink* transmission of an IPv6 packet that requires fragmentation, and ACK Always mode. Recall that in some LPWAN technologies and scenarios, a number of downlink transmissions can only be performed after reception of an uplink frame that allows the opportunity for downlink transmissions. As an example, let us assume a window size of 4 fragments is used (and supported by the lower layer technology as well), and an IPv6 packet that requires 6 fragments to be carried. In the example, after an uplink frame that triggers transmission in the downlink, the first 4 fragments are transmitted and successfully delivered to the receiver. Since ACK Always is used, an ACK is sent by the receiver (to confirm that all those first 4 fragments were successfully received). But the ACK is lost. If the ACK is lost, the ACK Always timer will expire and the sender will attempt a retry of the last fragment sent (as a way to request the ACK). However, since transmission of the fragments is in the downlink, such retry will not be possible without an uplink frame transmission that allows the opportunity to transmit further downlink frames: ----> downlink <---- uplink Sender Receiver |<-- trigger UL ------| |-----W=0, FCN=3----->| |-----W=0, FCN=2----->| |-----W=0, FCN=1----->| |-----W=0, FCN=0----->| lost |<--X--ACK, W=1-------|no bitmap (*) |-----W=0, FCN=0----->| (*) This fragment should be (re)sent, but it will not be possible without a previous uplink frame At this point, i.e. after loss of the ACK, fragmented IPv6 packet transmission would stall as per the current SCHC draft. Something similar would happen if some of the fragments had been lost and the ACK (with a bitmap) was lost. Possible solution ***************** A possible solution to the above problem would be to allow the receiver to resend the ACK after some time without receiving further fragments. In fact, the receiver can tell that the packet transmission has not finished at the moment of transmission of the ACK, since it has not received yet the “all-1” fragment (FCN=2^N-1, e.g. FCN=7 in the example). This means adding a timer at the receiver for downlink fragment transmission (possibly as an optional feature). What does the WG think about adding this feature to the SCHC draft? Do you see other approaches to solve the above mentioned problem? Thanks, Carles From nobody Wed Oct 4 00:36:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA2C13416B for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uWJr240e3gAn for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from violet.upc.es (violet.upc.es [147.83.2.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1549213292A for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from entelserver.upc.edu (entelserver.upc.es [147.83.39.4]) by violet.upc.es (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id v947ZFsJ038018; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:35:15 +0200 Received: from webmail.entel.upc.edu (webmail.entel.upc.edu [147.83.39.6]) by entelserver.upc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1EB1D53C1; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 10.193.93.143 by webmail.entel.upc.edu with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:35:11 +0200 Message-ID: <1fb762632c18d6937fae9027de200cfa.squirrel@webmail.entel.upc.edu> In-Reply-To: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:35:11 +0200 From: "Carles Gomez Montenegro" To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: "Stephen Farrell" , "jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk" , "bheile@ieee.org" , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" , "Antti Ratilainen" , "sum@wi-sun.org" , "Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu" , "JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com" , "Charlie Perkins" , "lp-wan" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21-1.fc14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at violet X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Delayed for 69:50:30 by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (violet.upc.es [147.83.2.51]); Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:35:17 +0200 (CEST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:36:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 07:35:43 -0000 Hi Pascal, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks, Carles > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO > LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the > IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of > IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > LPWAN WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > From nobody Wed Oct 4 01:12:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29C91332CE for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 01:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9aS11UNdlWYF for ; Wed, 4 Oct 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<2ed2e449-977d-a53f-1360-9d17832942ab@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:43:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <94554BCAC338AB47A9A96BAFDDA4C7853C0F66B6@ESESSMB107.ericsson.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J3iXoRFwXQx7XMRCuHQKjhus15ecn6tRI" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Review of draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 08:43:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --J3iXoRFwXQx7XMRCuHQKjhus15ecn6tRI Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="crVLXaxXQ2NiOpDBtTcn8khrHbbF0wcaX"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Edgar Ramos Cc: lp-wan Message-ID: <2ed2e449-977d-a53f-1360-9d17832942ab@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Review of draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt References: <23416f7b-c23e-b5a0-4917-061449b4ce18@cs.tcd.ie> <94554BCAC338AB47A9A96BAFDDA4C7853C0F66B6@ESESSMB107.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <94554BCAC338AB47A9A96BAFDDA4C7853C0F66B6@ESESSMB107.ericsson.se> --crVLXaxXQ2NiOpDBtTcn8khrHbbF0wcaX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Edgar, On 04/10/17 09:12, Edgar Ramos wrote: > Hi Stephen, >=20 > I can provide you with better explanation for nb-iot/LTE terminology=20 > that you consider not well explained. Are there any in particular=20 > that you have in mind ? Thanks! I'll go over it to see what's left (that's still puzzling to me:-) and send a substative reply later. (Won't be today though.) Cheers, S. >=20 > Br >=20 > EDGAR RAMOS Senior Researcher >=20 > Oy LM Ericsson AB Hardware, Devices and EMF IoT technologies > Ericsson Research 02420 Jorvas, Finland www.ericsson.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email > on the basis of the terms set out at > www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Farrell=20 > [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017=20 > 4:09 PM To: sarikaya@ieee.org Cc: lp-wan Subject:=20 > Re: [lp-wan] Review of draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt >=20 >=20 > Hiya, >=20 > Thanks for the review. >=20 > Belatedly responding to your various mails as I get the -07 ready. >=20 > On 28/07/17 22:47, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> Hi all, >>=20 >> Here are my comments after reading the overview document: page 4.=20 >> LoRaWAN acronym? >=20 > It's not quite an acronym afaik. >=20 >> page 8. NwkID in Table 3, is it supposed to be NetID? >=20 > Yep, I think you're right. >=20 >> p.9 DevEUI and AppEUI I think they refer to the device and the=20 >> application MAC addresses in 64-bits >=20 > Yes, those are explained in the text I think. >=20 >> p. 13 The 3GPP radio protocol architecture is illustration in=20 >> Figure 4 s/illustration/illustrated >=20 > Yep, ta. >=20 >>=20 >> control plane protocol stack and data plane protocol stack section=20 >> numbering is missing >=20 > I think that's ok, a 2-level TOC is enough. >=20 >> p.14 EPC not defined >=20 > There are lots of nb-IoT/LTE terms there that could be better=20 > explained. But if you want to offer text for some of those I'd be=20 > happy to add that. >=20 >> Fig. 1, Fig. 7 refer to non-3GPP architectures which means >> LoRaWAN, SIGFOX and Wi-SUN are basically IEEE 802.15.4 type of=20 >> technologies? >=20 > I'm not sure what change you'd like. >=20 >>=20 >> Regarding battery life, referred to on Page 11 for NB-IoT and p.15=20 >> for SIGFOX, p.21 for Wi_SUN, if these technologies are used to=20 >> connect devices like refrigerators which are almost always powered=20 >> up, why long term battery life is an issue? On the other hand the=20 >> use on the pets is a different issue. >=20 > Even when mounted on a mains-powered bit of equipment, sometimes=20 > these devices run on their own battery. >=20 > On 28/07/17 23:17, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> More comments: p.13 & p.24 P-GW is packet data network gateway it=20 >> is not application server, the classification in Fig. 8 seems to >> be correct. >=20 > Sorry, not sure what you mean. Figure 3 and that text were=20 > contributed by folks who know more than me about that, but if you'd=20 > like to suggest specific text I'd be happy to make a change, if > there are no objections on the list. >=20 >=20 > On 31/07/17 22:40, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> Comments on Section 4: p.28 Valid Lifetime in the 6CO it should be >>=20 >> 6LoWPAN Context Option >=20 > Ack. Ta. >=20 >>=20 >> p.30 s/LPWANs nodes/LPWAN nodes >=20 > Ack. Ta. >=20 >> p.31 staple OCSP responses >>=20 >> Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP) >=20 > Ack. Ta. >=20 >>=20 >> p.30 section 4.8 second paragraph: add the use of a gateway with=20 >> LTE uplink as a mobility solution. >=20 > I'm not sure what specific text you'd like. >=20 > Cheers, S. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers, S. >=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Behcet On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:46 AM, =20 >> wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 >>> Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the=20 >>> IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG of the IETF. >>>=20 >>> Title : LPWAN Overview Author : Stephen=20 >>> Farrell Filename : draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06.txt Pages=20 >>> : 41 Date : 2017-07-21 >>>=20 >>> Abstract: Low Power Wide Area Networks (LPWAN) are wireless=20 >>> technologies with characteristics such as large coverage areas,=20 >>> low bandwidth, possibly very small packet and application layer=20 >>> data sizes and long battery life operation. This memo is an=20 >>> informational overview of the set of LPWAN technologies being=20 >>> considered in the IETF and of the gaps that exist between the=20 >>> needs of those technologies and the goal of running IP in=20 >>> LPWANs. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:=20 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview/ >>>=20 >>> There are also htmlized versions available at:=20 >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06=20 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06 >>> >>> >>> >>>=20 A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lpwan-overview-06 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time >>> of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available >>> at tools.ietf.org. >>>=20 >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:=20 >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ lp-wan mailing=20 >>> list lp-wan@ietf.org=20 >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ lp-wan mailing list=20 > lp-wan@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >=20 --crVLXaxXQ2NiOpDBtTcn8khrHbbF0wcaX-- --J3iXoRFwXQx7XMRCuHQKjhus15ecn6tRI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/10/17 07:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" The above is my answer. S. PS: There are a lot of contributors here, I bet the IESG won't need every single one to have answered this to the list, but the more the merrier I guess. 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[213.152.19.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g25sm11879843wmc.16.2017.10.04.05.16.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Oct 2017 05:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) From: Alper Yegin In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:16:11 +0200 Cc: lp-wan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <49C00597-A5E5-48EA-8D2F-6A97399054C3@actility.com> References: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 12:16:10 -0000 Hello Pascal, folks, I am not aware of IPR that applies to this draft. 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[213.152.19.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b190sm16046522wma.41.2017.10.04.05.11.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Oct 2017 05:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alper Yegin Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E710085D-EC4C-4CFB-999E-38CF8CD3B6C4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:11:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Cc: Stephen Farrell , "jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk" , Carles Gomez Montenegro , "bheile@ieee.org" , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" , Antti Ratilainen , "sum@wi-sun.org" , "Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu" , "JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com" , Charlie Perkins , lp-wan To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" References: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 05:50:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 12:11:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E710085D-EC4C-4CFB-999E-38CF8CD3B6C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Pascal, folks, I am not aware of IPR that applies to this draft. Alper > On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > =20 > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > =20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > =20 > Please state either: > =20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > =20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > =20 > If yes to the above, please state either: > =20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > =20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. > =20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you = are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the = next stage until a response has been received from each author and = listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS = MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > =20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations = under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you = are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty = . > =20 > Thank you, > LPWAN WG Chairs > =20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your = response. > =20 > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan = --Apple-Mail=_E710085D-EC4C-4CFB-999E-38CF8CD3B6C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello Pascal, folks,

I am not aware of IPR that applies to = this draft.

Alper




On = Oct 4, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something = ),
 
As part of the preparation for WG = Adoption Call:
 
Are you aware of any IPR that applies = to the draft identified above?
 
Please state either:
 
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies = to this draft"
 
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more = details)?
 
If yes to the above, please state = either:
 
"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"
 
If you answer no, please provide any = additional details you think appropriate.
 
If you are listed as a document = author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this = email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. = This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has = been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS = APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.
 
If you are on the WG email list or = attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we = remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages = you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF = contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please = see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.
 
Thank you,
LPWAN WG Chairs
 
PS Please include all listed in the = headers of this message in your response.
 
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Recall that in some LPWAN > technologies and scenarios, a number of downlink transmissions can only b= e > performed after reception of an uplink frame that allows the opportunity = for > downlink transmissions. >=20 > As an example, let us assume a window size of 4 fragments is used (and > supported by the lower layer technology as well), and an IPv6 packet that > requires 6 fragments to be carried. In the example, after an uplink frame= that > triggers transmission in the downlink, the first 4 fragments are transmit= ted > and successfully delivered to the receiver. Since ACK Always is used, an = ACK is > sent by the receiver (to confirm that all those first 4 fragments were > successfully received). But the ACK is lost. >=20 > If the ACK is lost, the ACK Always timer will expire and the sender will > attempt a retry of the last fragment sent (as a way to request the ACK). > However, since transmission of the fragments is in the downlink, such ret= ry > will not be possible without an uplink frame transmission that allows the > opportunity to transmit further downlink frames: >=20 > ----> downlink > <---- uplink >=20 > Sender Receiver > |<-- trigger UL ------| > |-----W=3D0, FCN=3D3----->| > |-----W=3D0, FCN=3D2----->| > |-----W=3D0, FCN=3D1----->| > |-----W=3D0, FCN=3D0----->| > lost |<--X--ACK, W=3D1-------|no bitmap > (*) |-----W=3D0, FCN=3D0----->| >=20 > (*) This fragment should be (re)sent, but it will not be possible > without a previous uplink frame >=20 > At this point, i.e. after loss of the ACK, fragmented IPv6 packet transmi= ssion > would stall as per the current SCHC draft. Something similar would happen= if > some of the fragments had been lost and the ACK (with a > bitmap) was lost. >=20 [JCZ] True. This would be a problem >=20 > Possible solution > ***************** >=20 > A possible solution to the above problem would be to allow the receiver t= o > resend the ACK after some time without receiving further fragments. In fa= ct, > the receiver can tell that the packet transmission has not finished at th= e > moment of transmission of the ACK, since it has not received yet the "all= -1" > fragment (FCN=3D2^N-1, e.g. FCN=3D7 in the example). >=20 > This means adding a timer at the receiver for downlink fragment > transmission (possibly as an optional feature). >=20 > What does the WG think about adding this feature to the SCHC draft? >=20 > Do you see other approaches to solve the above mentioned problem? [JCZ] I think that the proposed solution makes sense and it is a minor chan= ge to the current spec. The specific timer value could be defined in an eventual SCHC-over-foo docu= ment. Best, Juan Carlos=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Carles >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan From nobody Wed Oct 4 12:03:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852D51330C1 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sigfoxgroup.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJNTnUcTAxFq for ; 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Best, Juan Carlos From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com] Sent: October 4, 2017 2:57 AM To: Stephen Farrell ; jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk= ; carlesgo@entel.upc.edu; bheile@ieee.org; bheile@ieee.org; josep.paradells= @entel.upc.edu; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; Antti Ratilainen ; sum@wi-sun.org; Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu; = Juan Carlos Zuniga ; Charlie Perkins Cc: lp-wan Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? 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Hi Pascal,

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I'm not aware of any IPR= that applies to this draft.

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Best,<= /p>

 =

Juan Carlos

 =

From: = Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com]
Sent: October 4, 2017 2:57 AM
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>; jon.crowcroft= @cl.cam.ac.uk; carlesgo@entel.upc.edu; bheile@ieee.org; bheile@ieee.org; jo= sep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; Antti Ratilaine= n <antti.ratilainen@ericsson.com>; sum@wi-sun.org; Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu; Juan Carlos Zuniga <juancarlos.zun= iga@sigfox.com>; Charlie Perkins <Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>
Cc: lp-wan <lp-wan@ietf.org>
Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07

 

Authors, Con= tributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ),

 <= /o:p>

As part of t= he preparation for WG Adoption Call:

 <= /o:p>

Are you awar= e of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?<= /p>

 <= /o:p>

Please state= either:

 <= /o:p>

"No, I'= m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I= 'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

 <= /o:p>

If so, has t= his IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 53= 78 and 8179 for more details)?

 <= /o:p>

If yes to th= e above, please state either:

 <= /o:p>

"Yes, t= he IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, th= e IPR has not been disclosed"

 <= /o:p>

If you answe= r no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate.

 <= /o:p>

If you are l= isted as a document author or contributor please answer the above by respon= ding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next = stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contri= butor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.<= o:p>

 <= /o:p>

If you are o= n the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author o= r contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are awar= e of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participatin= g in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For mo= re information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

 <= /o:p>

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Cha= irs

 <= /o:p>

PS Please in= clude all listed in the headers of this message in your response.

 

--_000_DB6PR08MB26799A783E3C43FB17CEDBAF89730DB6PR08MB2679eurp_-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 13:14:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818DD13217D for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3AaE0Hu4ZjkR for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6821A1330B0 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [173.76.56.219] (helo=bheile-PC.ieee.org) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1dzpkX-000ClA-Bz; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 15:54:33 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20171004155243.06846660@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bheile@earthlink.net@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 15:54:09 -0400 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Stephen Farrell , "jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk" , Carles Gomez Montenegro , "bheile@ieee.org" , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" , Antti Ratilainen , "sum@wi-sun.org" , "Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu" , "JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com" , "Charlie Perkins" From: Bob Heile Cc: lp-wan In-Reply-To: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_94684728==.ALT" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 171004-4, 10/04/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-ELNK-Trace: 1730ea5aae6ee9fa94f5150ab1c16ac05dedcb3b0f7069a43a65b5cbfa2a0c56a4cce5bac9e5351d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 173.76.56.219 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:14:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 19:55:00 -0000 --=====================_94684728==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Pascal No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Regards Bob At 06:57 AM 10/4/2017 +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > >As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > >Please state either: > >"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >or >"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see >RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > >If yes to the above, please state either: > >"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >or >"No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the >above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are >aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >stage until a response has been received from each author and listed >contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO >LINES. > >If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed >as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the >IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of >IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in >any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more >information, please see the RFCs listed above and >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > >Thank you, > >LPWAN WG Chairs > >PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. > > Bob Heile, Ph.D Director of Standards, Wi-SUN Alliance Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Specialty Networks Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2 Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications 11 Robert Toner Blvd, Suite 5-301 North Attleboro, MA 02763 USA Mobile: +1-781-929-4832 email: bheile@ieee.org --=====================_94684728==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Pascal

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft

Regards

Bob

At 06:57 AM 10/4/2017 +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ),

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response.

 


Bob Heile, Ph.D

Director of Standards, Wi-SUN Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Specialty Networks
Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications

11 Robert Toner Blvd, Suite 5-301
North Attleboro, MA  02763   USA
Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
email:   bheile@ieee.org
 --=====================_94684728==.ALT-- From sum@wi-sun.org Thu Oct 5 08:27:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1921320D9 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gLM_7w9f5s1k for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outmail148102.authsmtp.net (outmail148102.authsmtp.net [62.13.148.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CE3B126DFE for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt20.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id v95FQpsh056838; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:26:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from SumTHINK (238.158.182.58.starhub.net.sg [58.182.158.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v95FQfF8057452 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:26:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from sum@wi-sun.org) From: "Sum Chin Sean" To: "'Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)'" , "'Stephen Farrell'" , , "'Carles Gomez Montenegro'" , , , , , "'Antti Ratilainen'" , , , "'Charlie Perkins'" Cc: "'lp-wan'" References: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 23:26:39 +0800 Message-ID: <000f01d33dee$5de4c1a0$19ae44e0$@wi-sun.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01D33E31.6C093A20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFFAtwtEr04hjlqQtpmj8In19qox6Px1o0w Content-Language: en-sg X-Server-Quench: 9b813062-a9e1-11e7-8deb-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd1Yw4UClZOUQEy FSJBFzJGDwI/KQtJ HBsfLBNeLRpQDEVH ahsdCVFPdwdEHA4R AmABWVJeVFQ/XGtr agJTcwRYalRMXA11 VE5MXVMcUgxtd31X cBYeVx52cgcIeXt1 bU9gEHkJVEV5dUB/ Xx9dQGwbZGY1b30X BBUKagNUcgZDfk5E bwQuUz1vFG8XBC83 FhU/PjY+dRRnEmxS REkBN1scXQMKEyIy AhQaAjwpWEobSj8t LhE5bwZDdAMA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633633363139.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 58.182.158.238/465 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:54:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 16:36:34 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D33E31.6C093A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pascal No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Sum From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 October, 2017 2:57 PM To: Stephen Farrell; jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk; Carles Gomez Montenegro; bheile@ieee.org; bheile@ieee.org; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; Antti Ratilainen; sum@wi-sun.org; Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu; JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com; Charlie Perkins Cc: lp-wan Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, LPWAN WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D33E31.6C093A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pascal

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft.

Sum

 

From:= Pascal = Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, 4 October, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Stephen Farrell; = jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk; Carles Gomez Montenegro; bheile@ieee.org; = bheile@ieee.org; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; = josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; Antti Ratilainen; sum@wi-sun.org; = Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu; JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com; = Charlie Perkins
Cc: lp-wan
Subject: Regarding IPR on = draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07

 

Authors, = Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something = ),

 

As part of = the preparation for WG Adoption Call:

 

Are you aware = of any IPR that applies to the draft identified = above?

 

Please state = either:

 

"No, I'm = not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or<= /span>

"Yes, = I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has = this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs = 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

 

If yes to the = above, please state either:

 

"Yes, = the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules"

or<= /span>

"No, the = IPR has not been disclosed"

 

If you answer = no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate.

 

If you are = listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by = responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of = any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until = a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. = NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

 

If you are on = the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author = or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR = rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of = others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more = information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellectual= Property.

 

Thank = you,

LPWAN WG = Chairs

 

PS Please = include all listed in the headers of this message in your = response.

 =

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D33E31.6C093A20-- From nobody Fri Oct 6 00:50:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38958134599 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 00:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.618 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.618 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UrtDJGZu4UYH for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 00:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AFE713459A for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 192.44.77.209 Received: from el-meco.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (nat-asr-incub-b209.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.209]) (Authenticated sender: ana@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B421A8113; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:50:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Ana Minaburo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FC7906AE-9423-476E-8BA0-AF516603E70B" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:50:22 +0200 References: Cc: lp-wan To: Pascal Thubert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 07:50:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FC7906AE-9423-476E-8BA0-AF516603E70B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 =20 Ana Minaburo Research Division Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 ana at ackl.io 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20 France=20 www.acklio.com > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Ana Minaburo > Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 > Date: 6 October 2017 at 09:47:49 GMT+2 > To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" > Cc: Stephen Farrell , = "jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk" , Carles Gomez = Montenegro , "bheile@ieee.org" = , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" = , Antti Ratilainen = , "sum@wi-sun.org" , = "Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu" = , "JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com" = , Charlie Perkins = , lp-wan >=20 > Hello Pascal, >=20 > No I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft >=20 > Thanks > Ana >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Ana Minaburo >=20 > Research Division >=20 > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 > ana at ackl.io >=20 > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie > 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20 > France=20 >=20 > www.acklio.com >> On 04 Oct 2017, at 08:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = > wrote: >>=20 >> Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), >> =20 >> As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: >> =20 >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? >> =20 >> Please state either: >> =20 >> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >> or >> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> =20 >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >> =20 >> If yes to the above, please state either: >> =20 >> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >> or >> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> =20 >> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. >> =20 >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you = are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the = next stage until a response has been received from each author and = listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS = MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >> =20 >> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations = under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you = are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty = . >> =20 >> Thank you, >> LPWAN WG Chairs >> =20 >> PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your = response. >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> lp-wan mailing list >> lp-wan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan = --Apple-Mail=_FC7906AE-9423-476E-8BA0-AF516603E70B Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BE5AAE31-8C52-434C-8323-C8D77C6E65B2" --Apple-Mail=_BE5AAE31-8C52-434C-8323-C8D77C6E65B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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Ana = Minaburo

Research = Division

Phone: +33 = (0)2.99.12.24.14
ana at ackl.io

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Begin forwarded message:

From: = Ana Minaburo <ana@ackl.io>
Subject: = Re: [lp-wan] = Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07
Date: = 6 October 2017 at 09:47:49 = GMT+2
To: = "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" = <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, "jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk" <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>, Carles Gomez Montenegro = <carlesgo@entel.upc.edu>, "bheile@ieee.org" <bheile@ieee.org>, "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" <josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu>, Antti Ratilainen = <antti.ratilainen@ericsson.com>, "sum@wi-sun.org" <sum@wi-sun.org>, "Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu" <Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu>, "JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com" <JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com>, Charlie Perkins <Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, lp-wan <lp-wan@ietf.org>

Hello = Pascal,

No I=E2=80=99m= not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft

Thanks
Ana


<= /span>   

Ana Minaburo

Research = Division

Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14
ana at ackl.io

2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie
35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 
France 

www.acklio.com


On 04 Oct 2017, at 08:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something = ),
 
As part of the preparation for WG = Adoption Call:
 
Are you aware of any IPR that applies = to the draft identified above?
 
Please state either:
 
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies = to this draft"
 
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more = details)?
 
If yes to the above, please state = either:
 
"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"
 
If you answer no, please provide any = additional details you think appropriate.
 
If you are listed as a document = author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this = email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. = This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has = been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS = APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.
 
If you are on the WG email list or = attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we = remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages = you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF = contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please = see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.
 
Thank you,
LPWAN WG Chairs
 
PS Please include all listed in the = headers of this message in your response.
 
_______________________________________________
lp-wan mailing = list
lp-wan@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan


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[lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 07:48:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F0D93C28-39D1-464F-8BA6-A89169F6C181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal, No I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft Thanks Ana =20 Ana Minaburo Research Division Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 ana at ackl.io 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20 France=20 www.acklio.com > On 04 Oct 2017, at 08:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > =20 > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > =20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > =20 > Please state either: > =20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > =20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > =20 > If yes to the above, please state either: > =20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > =20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. > =20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you = are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the = next stage until a response has been received from each author and = listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS = MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > =20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations = under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you = are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty = . > =20 > Thank you, > LPWAN WG Chairs > =20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your = response. > =20 > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan = --Apple-Mail=_F0D93C28-39D1-464F-8BA6-A89169F6C181 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F546FE56-1147-480F-B3B6-91512FAC2BE0" --Apple-Mail=_F546FE56-1147-480F-B3B6-91512FAC2BE0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal,

No I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies on this = draft

Thanks
Ana


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ana at ackl.io

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On 04 Oct 2017, at 08:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something = ),
 
As part of the preparation for WG = Adoption Call:
 
Are you aware of any IPR that applies = to the draft identified above?
 
Please state either:
 
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft"
or
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09:49:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5459b435-3967-a3c5-9f05-a1831813ac77@ackl.io> From: Laurent Toutain Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 18:49:39 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Ana Minaburo Cc: Arun , lp-wan Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="089e08240fd0b7155a055af7c011" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Field Length in schc X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:50:30 -0000 --089e08240fd0b7155a055af7c011 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e08240fd0b71558055af7c010" --089e08240fd0b71558055af7c010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sorry for my late reply but this is not an easy question :-). For the length we want to solve the following problem. if a variable length field has a fix size in a specific rule (for example an URI-path is always 3 byte long), we can save 4 bits in the air if the length not have to be sent before the value. If we add a column in the rule with the length, we can either specify that a Field is variable or have a fixed length If we don't add a column, we have to add this property in the MO arguments. We can add a check_length MO which replace "ignore" and test the field size. The problem comes with MSB, if we have for example a query k=3DXXXX, and XX= XX must be 4 byte longs, we need to create a 2-argument MO "check_length_MSB (L, V)" with L specifying the length and V the first bits to check. In my point of view the question can be summarized on how we can represent in the rule arguments to MO. Until now we have only 1 arg for MSB, so the rule looks like: Currently we have something like this * |Fid|Pos|dir|TV|MO|arg|CDF|arg* * | | | | | | X | | * If we want to add another arguments, we have two solutions. Either add a column * |Fid|Pos|dir|TV|MO|arg1|arg2|CDF|arg* * | | | | | | X | Y | |* or in the same column: * |Fid|Pos|dir|TV|MO|arg|CDF|arg* * | | | | | |X,Y| | |* The first approach is less flexible but easier to manage since it is quite easy to access separately to each arguments. The second is more flexible since the number of arguments is not limited, but it is a little bit more complex to access to a specific argument. To try do to math, if N is the number of columns without arguments columns and M the number of argument columns, the number of bits to access a argument will be log2(N+M) in the first solution and in the other log2(N)+log2(M). So the second solution takes more bits for managements. Therefore the best solution depends of what we want to optimize: - evolution of the protocol. If we want to implement new MO with several arguments, the second solution is better - on the air they are equivalent, except for rule management where the second one may add 1 byte or 2 over the air. For memory usage on device, they seems to be quite equivalent. So my answer will be to create one column for length because it is something that could be useful to optimize uri-path and especially uri-query and stop here. Length and values are independent so it seems logical to have it. If we find in the future some values that need to be added to the rule, will can add them in the argument list using the second approach (list of arg in the arg column). we will have * |Fid |Pos|dir|Length|TV|MO |arg|CDF|arg* * |path | 1 | |24 | |ign| |v-s| |* * |path | 2 | |var | |ign| |v-s| |* * |query| | |32 |K=3D|MSB|16 |LSB| |* Laurent On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Ana Minaburo wrote: > Hello, > > I think that the best solution is the one that sends less bits > > Proposal 1: use more memory in the devices but sends the actual bits: > length bits plus LSB value > agree, we add a column with length and keep using MSB with one argument > Proposal 2: is similar to the first one, you are not change the actual > number of bits > > Proposal 3: instead of LSB bits you are sending the complete value, for > instance you are not sending the length bits (4, or 8, or 16) > no, for the same reason > > Proposal 4: you are eliminating the length bits you send and you are > sending the LSB bits. > yes, but we have to represent it in the rule > > So for me the best for the transmission view if the proposal 4 > > > Ana > > On 26 Sep 2017, at 21:00, Arun wrote: > > Hello all, > following are some proposals which you can vote to choose one, or can > propose a better one :) > > "Proposal 1: > add a length column: > - actual length to represent static fields. > - -1 to represent variable length fields." > > -1 is a convention, we can also use names as variable and number for direct length. We need also to sole the token field case which do not enter in those 2 categories. We don't need to send its length since another field contains it and token is not a static field. It is the same for MO of CDF we used a name but it can be converted into numbers in implementations. > > "Proposal 2: > add a length column: > - ""variable"" to represent variable length fields > - ""static"" to represent static fields, length here is obtained > with the help from parser." > > This is not really an optimization. > > "Proposal 3: > no extra column: > - use check_len(x) as MO, where x is the length of the variable fie= ld > - static fields, length here is obtained with the help from parser. > - there is a limitation to use LSB with MSB as MO for variable > length field since we don't know the msb_val." > > no, if we add a length columns, check_length is implicitly made on each field, MSB is not changed. > > "Proposal 4: > no extra column: > - static fields, length here is obtained with the help from parser. > - check_len(x),for variable length fields. > - msb_check(x,y) for variable length fields to use LSB. x can be > length, and y be msb_val." > > no, but we need to be aware that some MO may need several arguments in th= e future and the current standard must allow it. > thanks, > > -- > Arunprabhu Kandasamy > arun at ackl.io > > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie > 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 > France > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> > > > On 25/09/2017 09:55, Arun wrote: > > Hi Ana, > It becomes trickier when we use LSB without argument. In that case, > check_length overloads the MSB MO with additional argument specifying the > msb bits? > > > thanks, > arun > > On 15/09/2017 10:22, Ana Minaburo wrote: > > Hello LPWANers, > > I understand why you need the length column, but I=E2=80=99m not sure tha= t adding > a column is the best way to solve this problem. Correct me if I=E2=80=99m= wrong you > need the length in order to get the size of the variable fields of the Co= AP > header as path, but this length is used only for this variable fields the > rest of the header fields are known, with the idea of creating a column > with the length values you will repeat this known values as much times as > rules you have and it will use memory. > > I propose the following: if we need to have the length of this variable > fields, we create a Matching Operator that gives this information, for > example MO called check-length(x) so when you need to read your field you > know that you need to read x bits. > > rule id 1 > +-------------------+------+-------+----------------+------- > ----------------+----------------+ > | Field | dir | TV |MO |CDF > | Sent | > +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D+ > |CoAP version | bi | 01 | equal | not-sent > | | > |CoAP Type | bi | | ignore | value-sent > |TT | > |CoAP TKL | bi | 0 | equal | not-sent > | | > |CoAP Code | bi | ML1 | match-map | matching-sent | CC CCC > | > |CoAP MID | bi | 0000 | MSB(7 ) | LSB(9) = | > M-ID | > |CoAP Uri-Path | dn | | check_length(24) | value-sent | > XXX | > +-------------------+-----+--------+-----------------+------ > -----------------+----------------+ > > Ana > > > > > Ana Minaburo > > Research Division > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> > ana at ackl.io > > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie > 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 > France > > www.acklio.com > > On 13 Sep 2017, at 10:38, Laurent Toutain atlantique.fr> wrote: > > Hi, > > thanks Arun, > > That's a good idea to add an entry in the rule for length, especially fo= r > CoAP compression. > > In my views the description of the entry can be: > > > *The Field Length entry contains either the size in bit of the field or a > keyword indicating the way the length is defined:* > > *- variable: indicates that the field length is variable and is coded as > described in section 2.5* > > *- static : indicates that the compressor and the decompressor learn the > length by another means.* > The static is useful for the Token field. The size is variable, but there > is no need to send it since the Token Length field indicates this length. > > Laurent > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Arun wrote: > >> Hello All, >> Sending again to restart the discussion in the ML after today's interim >> meeting. >> >> somethings which arose during the call: >> >> - We need some sensible way to represent the variable length. 0 doesn'= t >> seem good as Pascal pointed out that there can be fields of 0 length. >> - Do we need to define the type for the length , so that we can >> represent it in json or some other format. >> - As type int and -1 value could be also used, as suggested by Alex. >> >> any thoughts? >> >> >> thanks, >> >> On 03/09/2017 22:00, Arun wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> We need a column/field in the context to represent the length of the >> field. >> For the fixed length field the actual length in bits shall be used and >> '0' shall be used to indicate variable length fields with the length bei= ng >> sent on wire. >> >> Ref: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6- >> static-context-hc-05, Section:6 >> >> "The receiver must be able to find the size of each compressed field whi= ch can be given by the >> rule or may be sent with the compressed header >> >> >> thanks, >> >> -- >> Arunprabhu Kandasamy >> arun at ackl.io >> >> 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie >> 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 >> France >> Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lp-wan mailing listlp-wan@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/= lp-wan >> >> >> -- >> Arunprabhu Kandasamy >> arun at ackl.io >> >> 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie >> 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 >> France >> Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lp-wan mailing list >> lp-wan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >> >> > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing listlp-wan@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l= p-wan > > > -- > Arunprabhu Kandasamy > arun at ackl.io > > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie > 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 > France > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing listlp-wan@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l= p-wan > > > -- > Arunprabhu Kandasamy > arun at ackl.io > > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie > 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 > France > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > > > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > > --089e08240fd0b71558055af7c010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

Sorry for m= y late reply but this is not an easy question :-).

For the length we want to solve the= following problem. if a variable
length fi= eld has a fix size in a specific rule (for example an URI-path is always 3 = byte long), we can save 4 bits in the air if the
length not have to be sent before the value.

If we add a column in the rule with the length, we = can either specify that a Field is variable or have a fixed length
If we don't add a column,= we have to add this property in the MO arguments. We can add a check_lengt= h MO which
replace "ignore" and test the field siz= e.

The problem comes with MSB, if we have for exam= ple a query k=3DXXXX, and XXXX must be 4 byte longs, we need to
c= reate a 2-argument MO "check_length_MSB (L, V)" with L specifying= the length and V the first bits to check.

In my point of view the ques= tion can be summarized on how we can represent in the rule
arguments to = MO. Until now we have only 1 arg for MSB, so the rule looks like:

Cu= rrently we have something like this

=C2=A0 |Fid|Pos|dir|TV|MO|arg|CDF|arg
=C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 | X |=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0
=
If we want= to add another arguments, we have two solutions.

Either add a colum= n

=C2=A0 |Fi= d|Pos|dir|TV|MO|arg1|arg2|CDF|arg
=C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 | X=C2=A0 | Y= =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 |

or in the same column:=C2=A0
=C2=A0 |Fid|Pos|dir|TV|MO|arg|CDF|arg<= /b>
=C2=A0 | =C2=A0 | =C2= =A0 | =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |X,Y| =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 |
=


The first approach is less flexible but easier to manage = since it is quite easy to access separately to each arguments.
The second is more flexible since the number of argumen= ts is not limited, but it is a little bit more complex to access
=
to a specific argument.

To try do to math, if N is the= number of columns without arguments columns and M the number of argument c= olumns, the number of
bits to access a argu= ment will be log2(N+M) in the first solution and in the other log2(N)+log2(= M).

So the second solution takes more bits for managements.

Therefore the best so= lution depends of what we want to optimize:
- evolution of the protocol. If we want to implement new MO with several a= rguments, the second solution is better
- o= n the air they are equivalent, except for rule management where the second = one may add 1 byte or 2 over the air.
For m= emory usage on device, they seems to be quite equivalent.

So my answer will be = to create one column for length because it is something that could be usefu= l to
optimize uri-path and especially uri-q= uery and stop here.
Length and values are i= ndependent so it seems logical to have it.

If we find in the future some val= ues that need to be added to the rule, will can add them in the argument li= st using the
second approach (list of = arg in the arg column).

we will have

=C2=A0 |Fid=C2=A0 |Pos|dir|Length|TV|MO |arg|CDF|arg
=C2=A0 |path | 1 | =C2=A0 |24 =C2= =A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |ign| =C2=A0 |v-s| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0 |path | 2 | =C2=A0 |var=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |ign| = =C2=A0 |v-s| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0 |query| =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 |32 = =C2=A0=C2=A0 |K=3D|MSB|16 |LSB| =C2=A0 |

Laurent


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Ana Minaburo <ana@ackl.i= o> wrote:
Hello,

I think that the best solution is the one that sends less bits
<= div>
Proposal 1: use more memory in the devices but sends the= actual bits: length bits plus LSB value

<= /div>
agree, we add a column with length and keep using MSB with one ar= gument
=C2=A0
Proposal 2: i= s similar to the first one, you are not change the actual number of bits=C2= =A0


=
Proposal 3: instead of LSB bits you are sending the complete value, fo= r instance you are not sending the length bits (4, or 8, or 16)
=

no, for the same reason

Proposal 4: you are eliminating the length bit= s you send and you are sending the LSB bits.=C2=A0
=

yes, but we have to represent it in the rule
=

So for me the best for the transmissio= n view if the proposal 4


Ana

On 26 Sep 2017, at 21:00, Arun <= arun@ackl.io> wrot= e:

=

Hello all,=C2=A0
following are some pr= oposals which you can vote to choose one, or can propose a better one :)

"Proposal 1:
add a length column:<= br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - actual length to represent static fields.
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 -=C2=A0 -1 to represent variable length fields."=C2=A0

=C2=A0-1 is a co= nvention, we can
also use names as variable and number for direct= length. We need also to sole the token field case which
do not e= nter in those 2 categories. We don't need to send its length since anot= her field contains it and token is
not a static field.
=

It is the same for MO of CDF we used a name but it can = be converted into numbers in implementations.
=


"Propo= sal 2:
add a length column:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - "&q= uot;variable"" to represent variable length fields
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - ""static"" to represent static = fields, length here is obtained with the help from parser."=C2=A0

=C2=A0This is not = really an optimization.

=

"Proposal 3:
=C2=A0no extra= column:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - use check_len(x) as MO, where = x is the length of the variable field
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - s= tatic fields, length here is obtained with the help from parser.
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - there is a limitation to use LSB with MSB as MO = for variable length field since we don't know the msb_val."=C2=A0

=

no, if we add a length columns, check_length is implicitly made on each fi= eld, MSB is not changed.=C2=A0


"Proposal 4:
=C2=A0n= o extra column:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - static fields, length here is= obtained with the help from parser.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - check_le= n(x),for variable length fields.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - msb_check(x,= y) for variable length fields to use LSB. x can be length, and y be msb_val= ."=C2= =A0

no, but we need to be aware that some MO may need several arguments= in the future and the current standard
must allow it.
=


thanks,

--=20
Arunprabhu Kandasamy
arun at ackl.io

2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie
35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20
France=20
Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14

On 25/09/2017 09:55, Aru= n wrote:
Hi Ana,= =C2=A0
=C2=A0It becomes trickier when we use LSB without argument= . In that case, check_length overloads the MSB MO with additional argument = specifying the msb bits?
=C2=A0

thanks,
arun


On 15/09/2017 10:22, Ana= Minaburo wrote:
Hello LPWANers,

I understand why you need the length column, but I= =E2=80=99m not sure that adding a column is the best way to solve this prob= lem. Correct me if I=E2=80=99m wrong you need the length in order to get th= e size of the variable fields of the CoAP header as path, but this length i= s used only for this variable fields the rest of the header fields are know= n, with the idea of creating a column with the length values you will repea= t this known values as much times as rules you have and it will use memory.= =C2=A0

I propose the following: if we need to have= the length of this variable fields, we create a Matching Operator that giv= es this information, for example MO called check-length(x) so when you need= to read your field you know that you need to read x bits.

rule id 1
+-------------------+------+-------+= ----------------+-----------------------+----------------+
<= div>| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Field =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| dir = =C2=A0 | TV =C2=A0 =C2=A0|MO =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 |CDF =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 | =C2=A0Sent =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |
+=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D+
|CoAP version =C2=A0| bi =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A001 =C2= =A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0equal =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | not-sent =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |
|CoAP Type =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| bi= =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 ignore =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | value-sent =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |TT = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
|CoAP TKL =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | bi =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0= equal =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| not-sent =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
|CoAP Code =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | bi =C2=A0 = =C2=A0| ML1 =C2=A0| match-map =C2=A0 | matching-sent =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| = CC CCC =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
|CoAP MID =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | bi =C2=A0 = =C2=A0| =C2=A00000 =C2=A0| =C2=A0MSB(7 ) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| LSB(9) =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0M-ID =C2=A0 |
|CoAP Uri-Path | dn =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | check_length(24) =C2=A0| value-sent | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0XXX =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
+-------------------+-----+--= ------+-----------------+-----------------------+----------------+

Ana


=C2=A0 =C2=A0=

Ana Minaburo

Research Division

Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12= .24.14
ana at=C2=A0ackl.io

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On 13 Sep 2017, at 10:38, Laurent = Toutain <laurent.toutain@imt-atlantique.fr> wrote:

Hi,

thanks = Arun,=C2= =A0

That's a good idea to=C2=A0 add an entry in the= rule for length, especially for CoAP compression.=C2=A0

In= my views the description of the entry can be:

The Field Le= ngth entry contains either the size in bit of the field or a keyword indica= ting the way the length is defined:
- variable: indicates t= hat the field length is variable and is coded as described in section 2.5
- static : indicates that the compressor and the decompresso= r learn the length by another means.

The static is useful = for the Token field. The size is variable, but there is no need to send it = since the Token Length field indicates this length.

Laurent

On Tue, Se= p 12, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Arun=C2=A0<arun@ackl.io>=C2=A0wrote:

Hello= All,=C2= =A0
=C2=A0Sending again to restart the discussion in the ML after= today's interim meeting.=C2=A0

somethings which arose during th= e call:

=C2=A0-=C2=A0 We need some sensible way to represent the = variable length. 0 doesn't seem good as Pascal pointed out that there c= an be fields of 0 length.=C2=A0
=C2=A0-=C2=A0 Do we need=C2=A0 to define th= e type for the length , so that we can represent it in json or some other f= ormat.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0-=C2=A0 As type int and -1 value could be al= so used, as suggested by Alex.

any thoughts?


tha= nks,


On 03= /09/2017 22:00, Arun wrote:
=

Hello All,=C2=A0

We need a column/field in the context to represent the length of the field= .=C2=A0
For the fixed length field the actual length in bits shall be used = and '0' shall be used to indicate variable length fields with the l= ength being sent on wire.

Ref:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-conte= xt-hc-05, Section:6=C2=A0

"The receiver must=
 be able to find the size of each compressed field which can be given by th=
e
   rule or may be sent with the compressed header


thanks,

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+0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: lp-wan Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="94eb2c095bdc3291d3055b17f2e1" Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] new FSM X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 07:18:20 -0000 --94eb2c095bdc3291d3055b17f2e1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c095bdc3291d0055b17f2df" --94eb2c095bdc3291d0055b17f2df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi State Machine lovers, This is a new version on the FSM for fragmentation. Window 0 and Winfow 1 states are collapsed, which make it easier to read. The receiver includes the ack always (in green) and ack on err (in blue). Laurent --94eb2c095bdc3291d0055b17f2df Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi State Machine lovers,

This = is a new version on the FSM for fragmentation. Window 0 and Winfow 1 states= are collapsed,
which make it easier to read. The receiver includ= es the ack always (in green) and ack on err (in blue).

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<320E0B35-A32A-4870-89AE-F117A711DF8D@ackl.io> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:31:30 +0200 To: lp-wan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Agenda for interim meeting, October 10 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:35:03 -0000 Dear all, You can find the updated agenda for tomorrow=E2=80=99s meeting (October = 10) on the Datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2017-lpwan-09-lpwan-01/ Please, do review the FSM sent by Laurent and pitch in for the length = field as indicated by Arun. Best, The Chairs From nobody Tue Oct 10 00:10:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C46C1348AE for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HkJqo5WKbH0F for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B576134914 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:06:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 192.44.77.209 Received: from el-meco.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (nat-asr-incub-b209.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.209]) (Authenticated sender: ana@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C256A80D2; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:06:10 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4373AFB7-2D0C-4A3D-9A09-0DF9E6A0D409" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Ana Minaburo In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:06:09 +0200 Cc: lp-wan Message-Id: References: To: Laurent Toutain X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] new FSM X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:10:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4373AFB7-2D0C-4A3D-9A09-0DF9E6A0D409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, I=E2=80=99ve looked to your slides once again, and I was wondering if it = is not better to have each fragmentation mode in one state machine? For = the moment you have try to put some color in order to make them cleared = but when we will need to put this into ASCII, it will be difficult to = represent all the things together in one. I may perhaps suggest to rename the sate because not all modes have a = window, and at last perhaps if you agree we can reduce the states, we = can discuss if you want. Ana =20 Ana Minaburo Research Division Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 ana at ackl.io 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20 France=20 www.acklio.com > On 09 Oct 2017, at 09:14, Laurent Toutain = wrote: >=20 > Hi State Machine lovers, >=20 > This is a new version on the FSM for fragmentation. Window 0 and = Winfow 1 states are collapsed,=20 > which make it easier to read. The receiver includes the ack always (in = green) and ack on err (in blue). >=20 > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan --Apple-Mail=_4373AFB7-2D0C-4A3D-9A09-0DF9E6A0D409 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_15DCED92-DC4B-4149-9D45-6F5742DB7762" --Apple-Mail=_15DCED92-DC4B-4149-9D45-6F5742DB7762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello,

I=E2=80=99ve looked to your slides once again, and I was = wondering if it is not better to have each fragmentation mode in one = state machine? For the moment you have try to put some color in order to = make them cleared but when we will need to put this into ASCII, it will = be difficult to represent all the things together in one.

I may perhaps suggest to = rename the sate because not all modes have a window, and at last perhaps = if you agree we can reduce the states, we can discuss if you = want.

Ana

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On 09 Oct 2017, at 09:14, Laurent Toutain <laurent.toutain@imt-atlantique.fr> wrote:

Hi State = Machine lovers,

This is a new version = on the FSM for fragmentation. Window 0 and Winfow 1 states are = collapsed,
which make it easier to read. The = receiver includes the ack always (in green) and ack on err (in blue).

Laurent
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Tue, 10 Oct 2017 08:55:35 -0000 --f403045ec68e3044a4055b2d784b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" oops, sorry, forgot to reply on list: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any 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oops, sorry, forgot to reply on list:

"No, I'm not aware of any=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0that applies to this draft"



On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pt= hubert@cisco.com> wrote:

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"No, I'm not aware= of any IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of= IPR that applies to this draft"

=C2=A0=

If so, has this IPR been di= sclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for= more details)?

=C2=A0=

If yes to the above, please= state either:

=C2=A0=

"Yes, the IPR has been= disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not b= een disclosed"

=C2=A0=

If you answer no, please pr= ovide any additional details you think appropriate.

=C2=A0=

If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a= response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: = THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.=

=C2=A0=

If you are on the WG email = list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, = we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and ht= tp://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPropert= y.

=C2=A0=

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Chairs

=C2=A0=

PS Please include all liste= d in the headers of this message in your response.

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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft. Best regards Josep Paradells On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next sta= ge > until a response has been received from each author and listed contributo= r. > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the > IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware o= f > IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating i= n > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > Thank you, > > LPWAN WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Nou M=C3=A0ster IoT O O O Josep Paradells Aspas O O O Universitat Polit=C3=A8cnica de Catalunya O O O c/ Jordi Girona 1-3, Modul C3 U P C Barcelona, 08034 ___________________________________________________________ --001a1143d50c0fc75d055b2e1c82 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Pascal

Sorry for the delay in the = response.

I am not aware of any IPR that applies t= o the draft.

Best regards

Josep Paradells

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pth= ubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( an= d WG if you are aware of something ),

=C2=A0=

As part of the preparation = for WG Adoption Call:

=C2=A0=

Are you aware of any IPR th= at applies to the draft identified above?

=C2=A0=

Please state either:=

=C2=A0=

"No, I'm not aware= of any IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of= IPR that applies to this draft"

=C2=A0=

If so, has this IPR been di= sclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for= more details)?

=C2=A0=

If yes to the above, please= state either:

=C2=A0=

"Yes, the IPR has been= disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not b= een disclosed"

=C2=A0=

If you answer no, please pr= ovide any additional details you think appropriate.

=C2=A0=

If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a= response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: = THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.=

=C2=A0=

If you are on the WG email = list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, = we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and ht= tp://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPropert= y.

=C2=A0=

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Chairs

=C2=A0=

PS Please include all liste= d in the headers of this message in your response.

=C2=A0




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O O O=C2=A0=20 Josep Paradells Aspas
O O O=C2=A0 Universitat Polit=C3=A8cnica de Catal= unya
O O O=C2=A0 c/ Jordi Girona 1-3, Modul C3
U=C2=A0 P C=C2=A0 Barcelona, 0= 8034
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"I am not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft.=E2=80=9D Kind Regards Lorenzo > On 10 Oct 2017, at 05:41, Josep Paradells = wrote: >=20 > Dear Pascal >=20 > Sorry for the delay in the response. >=20 > I am not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft. >=20 > Best regards >=20 > Josep Paradells >=20 > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = > wrote: > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), >=20 > =20 >=20 > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: >=20 > =20 >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > =20 >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > or >=20 > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > =20 >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > =20 >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > =20 >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >=20 > or >=20 > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > =20 >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. >=20 > =20 >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you = are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the = next stage until a response has been received from each author and = listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS = MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > =20 >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations = under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you = are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty = . >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > LPWAN WG Chairs >=20 > =20 >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your = response. >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ___________________________________________________________=20 >=20 > Nou M=C3=A0ster IoT >=20 > O O O Josep Paradells Aspas=20 > O O O Universitat Polit=C3=A8cnica de Catalunya=20 > O O O c/ Jordi Girona 1-3, Modul C3=20 > U P C Barcelona, 08034 > ___________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan --Apple-Mail=_FDA17F26-2E90-4EC0-9C51-AB42DCB17F2D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I am sorry too Pascal.

"I am not aware of any IPR that applies to the = draft.=E2=80=9D

Kind Regards

Lorenzo
On 10 Oct 2017, at 05:41, Josep Paradells = <josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu> wrote:

Dear Pascal

Sorry for the delay in the response.

I am not aware of any IPR that applies = to the draft.

Best regards

Josep Paradells

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:57 AM, = Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware = of something ),

 

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption = Call:

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the = draft identified above?

 

Please state either:

 

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to = this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

 

If yes to the above, please state either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional = details you think appropriate.

 

If you are listed as a document author or = contributor please answer the above by responding to this email = regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage = until a response has been received from each author and listed = contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG = meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you = of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of = IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating = in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For = more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

 

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Chairs

 

PS Please include all listed in the headers of = this message in your response.

 




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= --Apple-Mail=_FDA17F26-2E90-4EC0-9C51-AB42DCB17F2D-- From nobody Tue Oct 10 07:26:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49725134337 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:26:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UzHRn1RLmuWR for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA65C12ECEC for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:660:330f:38:55bb:b39e:6279:25e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:330f:38:55bb:b39e:6279:25e]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78C461720DD for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:26:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Pelov Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6C6972C0-751D-4198-AF1D-762484FF0E5E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <758D9DFF-BCF8-4763-92D1-C8DE624B8502@ackl.io> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:26:24 +0200 To: lp-wan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Interim meeting starting in less than an hour (October 10th) X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:26:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6C6972C0-751D-4198-AF1D-762484FF0E5E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, This is a gentle reminder for our interim meeting, which will start in = less than an hour. The agenda can be found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2017-lpwan-09-lpwan-01/02/= The aggregated slides here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2017-lpwan-09/materials/slide= s-interim-2017-lpwan-09-sessa-aggregated-slides-for-lpwan-meeting/ Please, use the Etherpad for note-taking here: = http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/lpwan?useMonospaceFont=3Dtrue Finally, the connection details are at the end of this mail and in the = beginning of the agenda. See you very soon, Pascal and Alexander Connection details ------------------ * Date: October 10, 2017 * Time: 8-9AM DDate: 8-9AM DST, 17:00 CEST: = https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=3D1&lid=3D2988507,1816670,5391959,51285= 81&h=3D2988507&date=3D2017-10-10&sln=3D17-18 = * Webex Link: = https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dmda0658c049908cec459a2a0be= 9e0039b = * Meeting number: 208 224 943 * Meeting password: d5bBrqTZ (35227789 from phones) * Join from a video conferencing system or application * Dial 208224943@cisco.webex.com * Join by phone * +1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) * +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) * Access code: 208 224 943 --Apple-Mail=_6C6972C0-751D-4198-AF1D-762484FF0E5E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dear all,

This is a gentle reminder for our interim meeting, which will = start in less than an hour.

The agenda can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2017-lpwan-09-l= pwan-01/02/
The aggregated slides here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2017-lpwan-09/mate= rials/slides-interim-2017-lpwan-09-sessa-aggregated-slides-for-lpwan-meeti= ng/

Please, = use the Etherpad for note-taking here: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/lpwan?useMonospaceFont=3D= true

Finally, the connection details are at the end of this mail = and in the beginning of the agenda.

See you very soon,
Pascal and Alexander



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= --Apple-Mail=_6C6972C0-751D-4198-AF1D-762484FF0E5E-- From nobody Tue Oct 10 09:22:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6796513460D for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a1m-hV_ZwS6U for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 039051350A2 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:660:330f:38:55bb:b39e:6279:25e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:330f:38:55bb:b39e:6279:25e]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BB8AA80F1 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:06:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Pelov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:06:31 +0200 To: lp-wan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Minutes from the Interim Meeting on October 10th and Action Points X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:22:36 -0000 Dear all, The minutes from today's meeting can be found on the Datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2017-lpwan-09/materials/minut= es-interim-2017-lpwan-09-201710101700/ Please, review them and send a note in case you have any modification or = correction to be made. The action points for the next meeting are as follow: * Laurent to split the FSM into two FSM (both for sender and receiver) = and add to draft * Ana to change names of ACK/No ACK to shorter names * Arun to publish the change of the additional column for field lenght * Publish the version by next Tuesday (October 17th) * Chairs to wait for final IPR statements and continue with publishing = LPWAN Overview document * The ML should discuss the Time Scale draft Thanks all for the productive call and see you on October 24, same time, = same place. 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No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks for the reminder to answer! Regards, Charlie P. > > > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether > or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. 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For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > . > > Thank you, > > LPWAN WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in > your response. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan --------------4D3DF2E9581D728F39ED88AD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello folks,

To answer the question...

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks for the reminder to answer!

Regards,
Charlie P.





On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ),

 

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call:

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

 

Please state either:

 

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

 

If yes to the above, please state either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate.

 

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

 

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Chairs

 

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response.

 




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--------------4D3DF2E9581D728F39ED88AD-- From nobody Wed Oct 11 04:52:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E12133221 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:25:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hYOKP9mvNxcZ for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FFB5128D0D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:25:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-de7ff70000006897-34-59ddf1b1d675 Received: from ESESSHC010.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.48]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 42.51.26775.1B1FDD95; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:25:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB108.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.21]) by ESESSHC010.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:25:53 +0200 From: Antti Ratilainen To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Stephen Farrell , "jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk" , Carles Gomez Montenegro , "bheile@ieee.org" , "bheile@ieee.org" , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" , "josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu" , "sum@wi-sun.org" , "Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu" , "JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com" , "Charlie Perkins" CC: lp-wan Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 Thread-Index: AdM25wV/mgNCdzqBRKmevhJ6+EH/HgLlCC/Q Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:25:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8d1e97d6aa1247bebc01332a182b3715@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C8E10AE26D0C9F43B90254616F5E900B36FF8C39ESESSMB108erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrMIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7ge6mj3cjDbbfYrZY0L2GxeLgtu+s Fh9fHGG0eHDxCZNFw98tTBa9t2cxWpxpirN4M8veYsaUd4wW0/deY7c4eXwJiwO3x5TfG1k9 trYeZ/FY232VzeP+wQfMHi1H3rJ6PJ1wkMljyZKfTB5PP2R6TF06hdHjxMEzLAFcUVw2Kak5 mWWpRfp2CVwZW5o+MRfcKKxY+6SVsYHxdWoXIyeHhICJxK8DX1lBbCGBI4wSDTf9uhi5gOzF jBLfV51k6WLk4GATMJN48E4LJC4i0M0qserkbCaQBmYBGYmDjVPYQWxhASuJL/0dzCC2iIC1 xOH9x6FsI4lTl04ygtgsAqoS87f9YAWZySvgK9F7XAlir4vE84N3wcZwCrhKLHt3gw3EZhQQ k/h+ag3UKnGJW0/mM0HcLCCxZM95ZghbVOLl43+sELaixMdX+xhBxjML5Es8fFIAEuYVEJQ4 OfMJywRGkVlIJs1CqJqFpAqiREdiwe5PbBC2tsSyha+ZYewzBx4zIYsvYGRfxShanFpcnJtu ZKSXWpSZXFycn6eXl1qyiREY9Qe3/LbawXjwueMhRgEORiUeXp+rdyOFWBPLiitzDzFKcDAr ifAueA0U4k1JrKxKLcqPLyrNSS0+xCjNwaIkzuuw70KEkEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgVGu b1/yJKFXUf+j9qX+Z6k8vW6rv9ypZee0zfvZdqzam72ymPfDUYMLen9iRf8z6aofDzt4pYan gsknm8XFVi1x/aN1ryKflWj0l1QKzLjy9WZeoUKMWecm0w3+twW9xV522fjMzmo6cahy96dp 5z8avTw+Y2Jt9Ae1H3emFPLO527dydf+PE6JpTgj0VCLuag4EQDKKujY9gIAAA== Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 04:52:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:25:59 -0000 --_000_C8E10AE26D0C9F43B90254616F5E900B36FF8C39ESESSMB108erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm sorry for the late reply, which is: No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Thanks for the heads up! Best regards, Antti From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com] Sent: 4. lokakuuta 2017 9:57 To: Stephen Farrell ; jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk= ; Carles Gomez Montenegro ; bheile@ieee.org; bheile= @ieee.org; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; An= tti Ratilainen ; sum@wi-sun.org; Laurent.Tou= tain@telecom-bretagne.eu; JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sigfox.com; Charlie Perkins Cc: lp-wan Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07 Authors, Contributors, ( and WG if you are aware of something ), As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the abo= ve by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware o= f any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until = a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE:= THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, LPWAN WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. --_000_C8E10AE26D0C9F43B90254616F5E900B36FF8C39ESESSMB108erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I’m sorry for the late reply, which is:

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draf= t

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

Best regards,

Antti

 

 

From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mai= lto:pthubert@cisco.com]
Sent: 4. lokakuuta 2017 9:57
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>; jon.crowcroft= @cl.cam.ac.uk; Carles Gomez Montenegro <carlesgo@entel.upc.edu>; bhei= le@ieee.org; bheile@ieee.org; josep.paradells@entel.upc.edu; josep.paradell= s@entel.upc.edu; Antti Ratilainen <antti.ratilainen@ericsson.com>; sum@wi-sun.org; Laurent.Toutain@telecom-bretagne.eu; JuanCarlos.Zuniga@sig= fox.com; Charlie Perkins <Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>
Cc: lp-wan <lp-wan@ietf.org>
Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-lpwan-overview-07

 

Authors, Contributors, ( an= d WG if you are aware of something ),

 

As part of the preparation = for WG Adoption Call:

 

Are you aware of any IPR th= at applies to the draft identified above?

 

Please state either:

 

"No, I'm not aware of = any IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR= that applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been di= sclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for= more details)?

 

If yes to the above, please= state either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been= disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not b= een disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please pr= ovide any additional details you think appropriate.

 

If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a= response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: = THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the WG email = list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, = we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and ht= tp://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

 

Thank you,

LPWAN WG Chairs<= /span>

 

PS Please include all liste= d in the headers of this message in your response.

 

--_000_C8E10AE26D0C9F43B90254616F5E900B36FF8C39ESESSMB108erics_-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 00:15:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FCF126B7E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:14:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.081 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.081 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EndKiaWhDja5 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9697132D41 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:14:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 192.44.77.209 Received: from el-meco.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (nat-asr-incub-b209.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.209]) (Authenticated sender: ana@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF23EA80DC for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:14:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Ana Minaburo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_914B3B30-25BC-484A-9B6B-CAB5E1BBEB9D" Message-Id: <85041355-EA2D-45BE-9676-CCF2DE326EFC@ackl.io> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:14:53 +0200 To: lp-wan Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Shortcuts for fragmentation modes names X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:14:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_914B3B30-25BC-484A-9B6B-CAB5E1BBEB9D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the = names of the fragmentation modes were long and so, it was too difficult = to read the description of the fragmentation.=20 This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during = the meeting, please tell us if you agree with them. Actually =3D=3D> Proposed No ACK =3D=3D> No ACK Window mode - ACK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D =3D=3D> ACK always Window mode - ACK on error =3D=3D> ACK on error Thanks Ana =20 Ana Minaburo Research Division Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 ana at ackl.io 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20 France=20 www.acklio.com --Apple-Mail=_914B3B30-25BC-484A-9B6B-CAB5E1BBEB9D Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5C058FCB-F78A-4DC7-BD2E-BD49C4FAD6D9" --Apple-Mail=_5C058FCB-F78A-4DC7-BD2E-BD49C4FAD6D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello,

In the = last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the names of = the fragmentation modes were long and so, it was too difficult to = read the description of the fragmentation. 

This email is to get consensus about the short-names we = decide during the meeting, please tell us if you agree with = them.

Actually  =3D=3D> =  Proposed

No ACK  =3D=3D> No = ACK

Window mode - ACK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D= =3D=3D> ACK always

Window mode - ACK on = error  =3D=3D> ACK on error

Thanks
Ana



  =  

Ana = Minaburo

Research = Division

Phone: +33 = (0)2.99.12.24.14
ana at ackl.io

2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie
35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 
France 

www.acklio.com


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(CEST) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Shortcuts for fragmentation modes names X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:26:57 -0000 Hi Ana, I agree with the proposed shorter names. :) I think at least some of us have naturally evolved towards using the shorter names proposed in your email. Also, since we don't currently have a "packet mode", it is not necessary to include the "window mode" prefix in the names. Thanks, Carles > Hello, > > In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the > names of the fragmentation modes were long and so, it was too difficult to > read the description of the fragmentation. > > This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during the > meeting, please tell us if you agree with them. > > Actually ==> Proposed > > No ACK ==> No ACK > > Window mode - ACK “always†==> ACK always > > Window mode - ACK on error ==> ACK on error > > Thanks > > Ana From nobody Sat Oct 14 02:24:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552361320B5; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:24:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6Ed--rZSCjJ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48CD1126B7E; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9E9Nunx003763; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.119] (p5DC7FC78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.252.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3yDfKR6CnmzDMBq; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:23:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 529665835.110935-1549a6feb9f7c8fcb6eb670f5b90f243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:23:55 +0200 Message-Id: <3DD87467-9262-41B1-A6E4-0ED0B3DB25EE@tzi.org> To: lo <6lo@ietf.org>, 6tisch <6tisch@ietf.org>, lp-wan , lwip@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF100: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:24:02 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF100. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. The CBOR/SUIT conflict needs to be fixed. Also, maybe CORE and 6TISCH are going to swap so we have more time between the two CORE meetings. All times are SGT (UTC+0800). (You can get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, November 10, 2017 -- Joint meeting of OCF and T2TRG @ OCF meeting venue SATURDAY/SUNDAY -- Hackathon (including various interops) MONDAY, November 13, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART dispatch Dispatch WG - 0930-1100 Joint = with ARTAREA Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG - = 1100-1200 Olivia INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Olivia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Padang OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Bras Basah ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Collyer INT homenet Home Networking WG Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Canning SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Canning TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG TUESDAY, November 14, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Sophia TSV taps Transport Services WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Olivia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Canning OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Bras Basah SEC tokbind Token Binding WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Padang IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Olivia RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Sophia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG WEDNESDAY, November 15, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Sophia INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Collyer INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG - 0930-1030 Collyer INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG = - 1100-1200 Bras Basah IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Canning TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Bras Basah ART uta Using TLS in Applications WG Collyer SEC *** teep A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution = Environment Enablement BOF Orchard TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Collyer INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Orchard SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG THURSDAY, November 16, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Sophia RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Canning SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Collyer IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking Proposed RG Padang SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Sophia INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Canning RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Orchard SEC curdle CURves, Deprecating and a Little more = Encryption WG Padang TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting FRIDAY, November 17, 2017 0930-1130 Morning Session I Canning ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Orchard RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Collyer TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1150-1320 Afternoon Session I Olivia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG From nobody Sat Oct 14 02:55:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC46126B7E; 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Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.119] (p5DC7FC78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.252.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3yDg2306v8zDMC6; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:55:38 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <3DD87467-9262-41B1-A6E4-0ED0B3DB25EE@tzi.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:55:38 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 529667738.274719-e354e89f28621fe005a50e34cc57f897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3DD87467-9262-41B1-A6E4-0ED0B3DB25EE@tzi.org> To: lo <6lo@ietf.org>, 6tisch <6tisch@ietf.org>, lp-wan , lwip@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] FIXED: Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF100: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:55:45 -0000 (Sorry for the resend; the previous version missed out on all meetings in the room "VIP A", and I didn't see those conflicts either.) Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF100. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. The CBOR/SUIT conflict needs to be fixed. Also, maybe CORE and 6TISCH are going to swap so we have more time between the two CORE meetings. ROLL vs. TEEP is a bit unfortunate, as is DINRG vs. LPWAN vs. DISPATCH. All times are SGT (UTC+0800). (You can get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten MONDAY, November 13, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART dispatch Dispatch WG - 0930-1100 Joint = with ARTAREA Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG - = 1100-1200 Olivia INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG VIP A IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure = Proposed RG Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Olivia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Padang OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Bras Basah ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Collyer INT homenet Home Networking WG Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Canning SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Canning TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG TUESDAY, November 14, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Sophia TSV taps Transport Services WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Olivia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Canning OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Bras Basah SEC tokbind Token Binding WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Padang IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Olivia RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Sophia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG WEDNESDAY, November 15, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Sophia INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Collyer INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG - 0930-1030 Collyer INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG = - 1100-1200 Bras Basah IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Canning TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Bras Basah ART uta Using TLS in Applications WG VIP A RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Collyer SEC *** teep A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution = Environment Enablement BOF Orchard TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Collyer INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG VIP A IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Orchard SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG THURSDAY, November 16, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Sophia RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Canning SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Collyer IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking Proposed RG Padang SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II VIP A ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment = WG - 1550-1650 Sophia INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Canning RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Orchard SEC curdle CURves, Deprecating and a Little more = Encryption WG Padang TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting FRIDAY, November 17, 2017 0930-1130 Morning Session I Canning ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Orchard RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Collyer TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1150-1320 Afternoon Session I Olivia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG From nobody Sat Oct 14 10:05:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DAD126E64 for ; 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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Ana Minaburo wrote: > Hello, > > In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the > names of the fragmentation modes were long and so, it was too difficult t= o > read the description of the fragmentation. > > This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during the > meeting, please tell us if you agree with them. > > Actually =3D=3D> Proposed > > No ACK =3D=3D> No ACK > > Window mode - ACK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D =3D=3D> ACK always > > Window mode - ACK on error =3D=3D> ACK on error > > Thanks > > Ana > > > > > > Ana Minaburo > > Research Division > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <+33%202%2099%2012%2024%2014> > ana at ackl.io > > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie > 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 > France > > www.acklio.com > > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > > --089e0826eb20eb5575055b84c582 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1,
I agree to the proposed names, preferable than acr= onyms.

On Fri,= Oct 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Ana Minaburo <ana@ackl.io> wrote:
Hello,=

In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that t= he names of the fragmentation modes were long=C2=A0and so, it was too diffi= cult to read the description of the fragmentation.=C2=A0

This email = is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during the meeting, ple= ase tell us if you agree=C2=A0with them.

Actually =C2=A0=3D=3D> = =C2=A0Proposed

No ACK =C2=A0=3D=3D> No ACK

Window mode - A= CK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D =3D=3D> ACK always

Window mode - ACK = on error =C2=A0=3D=3D> ACK on error

Thanks

Ana
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Best regards, Ivaylo Petrov ivaylo at ackl.io www.ackl.io 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie, 35510 Cesson S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 2017-10-14 19:16 GMT+02:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) : > +1 > > > Regards, > > Pascal > > Le 14 oct. 2017 =C3=A0 19:05, =E0=AE=85=E0=AE=B0=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A3=E0=AF= =8D=E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81 (arunprabhu) a =C3=A9crit : > > +1, > I agree to the proposed names, preferable than acronyms. > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Ana Minaburo wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the >> names of the fragmentation modes were long and so, it was too difficult = to >> read the description of the fragmentation. >> >> This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during th= e >> meeting, please tell us if you agree with them. >> >> Actually =3D=3D> Proposed >> >> No ACK =3D=3D> No ACK >> >> Window mode - 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2017-10-14 19:16 GMT+02:00 Pascal Thubert (p= thubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:
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Regards,

Pascal

Le 14 oct. 2017 =C3=A0 19:05, =E0=AE=85=E0=AE=B0=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A3=E0=AF=8D= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81 (arunprabhu) <arun@ackl.io> a =C3=A9crit=C2= =A0:

+1,
I agree to the proposed names, preferable than acronyms.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM= , Ana Minaburo <ana@ackl.io> wrote:
Hello,

In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the names= of the fragmentation modes were long=C2=A0and so, it was too difficult to = read the description of the fragmentation.=C2=A0

This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during the m= eeting, please tell us if you agree=C2=A0with them.

Actually =C2=A0=3D=3D> =C2=A0Proposed

No ACK =C2=A0=3D=3D> No ACK

Window mode - ACK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D =3D=3D> ACK always

Window mode - ACK on error =C2=A0=3D=3D> ACK on error

Thanks

Ana



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boundary="089e08288c00e3a184055ba48043" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [lp-wan] Shortcuts for fragmentation modes names X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 06:56:27 -0000 --089e08288c00e3a184055ba48043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Laurent On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ivaylo Petrov wrote: > +1 > > Best regards, > > Ivaylo Petrov > ivaylo at ackl.io > > > > www.ackl.io > > 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie, > 35510 Cesson S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 > FRANCE > > Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <02%2099%2012%2024%2014> > > 2017-10-14 19:16 GMT+02:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = : > >> +1 >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Pascal >> >> Le 14 oct. 2017 =C3=A0 19:05, =E0=AE=85=E0=AE=B0=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A3=E0=AF= =8D=E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81 (arunprabhu) a =C3=A9crit : >> >> +1, >> I agree to the proposed names, preferable than acronyms. >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Ana Minaburo wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the >>> names of the fragmentation modes were long and so, it was too difficult= to >>> read the description of the fragmentation. >>> >>> This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during >>> the meeting, please tell us if you agree with them. >>> >>> Actually =3D=3D> Proposed >>> >>> No ACK =3D=3D> No ACK >>> >>> Window mode - ACK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D =3D=3D> ACK always >>> >>> Window mode - ACK on error =3D=3D> ACK on error >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Ana >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ana Minaburo >>> >>> Research Division >>> Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 <+33%202%2099%2012%2024%2014> >>> ana at ackl.io >>> >>> 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie >>> 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 >>> France >>> >>> www.acklio.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lp-wan mailing list >>> lp-wan@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> lp-wan mailing list >> lp-wan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lp-wan mailing list >> lp-wan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > > --089e08288c00e3a184055ba48043 Content-Type: text/html; 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+1

Laurent

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ivay= lo Petrov <ivaylo@ackl.io> wrote:
+1

Best regards,

Ivaylo Petrov
ivaylo at ackl.io




2= bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie,
35510 Cesson S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=
FRANCE


2017-10-14 19:16 GMT+02:00 Pascal Thubert (p= thubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:
+1


Regards,

Pascal

Le 14 oct. 2017 =C3=A0 19:05, =E0=AE=85=E0=AE=B0=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A3=E0=AF=8D= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81 (arunprabhu) <arun@ackl.io> a =C3=A9crit=C2= =A0:

+1,
I agree to the proposed names, preferable than acronyms.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Ana Minab= uro <ana@ackl.io> wrote:
Hello,

In the last interim meeting, most of us agree about the fact that the names= of the fragmentation modes were long=C2=A0and so, it was too difficult to = read the description of the fragmentation.=C2=A0

This email is to get consensus about the short-names we decide during the m= eeting, please tell us if you agree=C2=A0with them.

Actually =C2=A0=3D=3D> =C2=A0Proposed

No ACK =C2=A0=3D=3D> No ACK

Window mode - ACK =E2=80=9Calways=E2=80=9D =3D=3D> ACK always

Window mode - ACK on error =C2=A0=3D=3D> ACK on error

Thanks

Ana



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Ana Minaburo

Research Division

Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14
ana at ackl.io

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Subject: [lp-wan] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:16:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG of the IETF. Title : LPWAN Static Context Header Compression (SCHC) and fragmentation for IPv6 and UDP Authors : Ana Minaburo Laurent Toutain Carles Gomez Filename : draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt Pages : 51 Date : 2017-10-20 Abstract: This document describes a header compression scheme and fragmentation functionality for very low bandwidth networks. These techniques are specially tailored for LPWAN (Low Power Wide Area Network) networks. The Static Context Header Compression (SCHC) offers a great level of flexibility when processing the header fields. SCHC compression is based on a common static context stored in a LPWAN device and in the network. Static context means that the stored information does not change during the packet transmission. The context describes the field values and keeps information that will not be transmitted through the constrained network. SCHC must be used for LPWAN networks because it avoids complex resynchronization mechanisms, which are incompatible with LPWAN characteristics. And also because in most cases, IPv6/UDP headers are reduced to a small identifier called Rule ID. Eventhough sometimes, a SCHC compressed packet will not fit in one L2 PDU, and the SCHC fragmentation protocol will be used. The SCHC fragmentation and reassembly mechanism is used in two situations: for SCHC- compressed packets that still exceed the L2 PDU size; and for the case where the SCHC compression cannot be performed. This document describes the SCHC compression/decompression framework and applies it to IPv6/UDP headers. This document also specifies a fragmentation and reassembly mechanism that is used to support the IPv6 MTU requirement over LPWAN technologies. Fragmentation is mandatory for IPv6 datagrams that, after SCHC compression or when it has not been possible to apply such compression, still exceed the L2 maximum payload size. Similar solutions for other protocols such as CoAP will be described in separate documents. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Oct 20 10:20:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3E7132D22 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Opx1WOjrAPbr for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89309132D17 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 2.10.255.80 Received: from el-meco.home (LFbn-REN-1-431-80.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr [2.10.255.80]) (Authenticated sender: ana@ackl.io) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0954EFB883 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:20:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Ana Minaburo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9B0C4954-91E1-44C7-9DD0-84C1421491A5" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:20:02 +0200 References: <150851978086.15356.16524070386712245893@ietfa.amsl.com> To: lp-wan Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:20:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9B0C4954-91E1-44C7-9DD0-84C1421491A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, Here you will find a new version of the draft SCHC, I tried to simplify = many descriptions of the fragmentation part, there is a big thing to = finish for the bitmap and abort I will continue working on this. The most important is to see the differences and the state machines=20 See you=20 Ana =20 Ana Minaburo Research Division Phone: +33 (0)2.99.12.24.14 ana at ackl.io 2 bis rue de la Ch=C3=A2taigneraie 35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9=20 France=20 www.acklio.com > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: [lp-wan] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt > Date: 20 October 2017 at 19:16:20 GMT+2 > To: > Cc: lp-wan@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area = Networks WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : LPWAN Static Context Header Compression = (SCHC) and fragmentation for IPv6 and UDP > Authors : Ana Minaburo > Laurent Toutain > Carles Gomez > Filename : draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt > Pages : 51 > Date : 2017-10-20 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes a header compression scheme and = fragmentation > functionality for very low bandwidth networks. These techniques are > specially tailored for LPWAN (Low Power Wide Area Network) networks. >=20 > The Static Context Header Compression (SCHC) offers a great level of > flexibility when processing the header fields. SCHC compression is > based on a common static context stored in a LPWAN device and in the > network. Static context means that the stored information does not > change during the packet transmission. The context describes the > field values and keeps information that will not be transmitted > through the constrained network. >=20 > SCHC must be used for LPWAN networks because it avoids complex > resynchronization mechanisms, which are incompatible with LPWAN > characteristics. And also because in most cases, IPv6/UDP headers > are reduced to a small identifier called Rule ID. Eventhough > sometimes, a SCHC compressed packet will not fit in one L2 PDU, and > the SCHC fragmentation protocol will be used. The SCHC = fragmentation > and reassembly mechanism is used in two situations: for SCHC- > compressed packets that still exceed the L2 PDU size; and for the > case where the SCHC compression cannot be performed. >=20 > This document describes the SCHC compression/decompression framework > and applies it to IPv6/UDP headers. This document also specifies a > fragmentation and reassembly mechanism that is used to support the > IPv6 MTU requirement over LPWAN technologies. Fragmentation is > mandatory for IPv6 datagrams that, after SCHC compression or when it > has not been possible to apply such compression, still exceed the L2 > maximum payload size. Similar solutions for other protocols such as > CoAP will be described in separate documents. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context= -hc-07 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-h= c-07 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan --Apple-Mail=_9B0C4954-91E1-44C7-9DD0-84C1421491A5 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_30B3C6B8-88A4-47FF-817C-ED89CB83C651" --Apple-Mail=_30B3C6B8-88A4-47FF-817C-ED89CB83C651 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello,
Here you will find a new version of = the draft SCHC, I tried to simplify many descriptions of the = fragmentation part, there is a big thing to finish for the bitmap and = abort I will continue working on this.

The most important is to see the = differences and the state machines 

See you 

Ana



  =  

Ana = Minaburo

Research = Division

Phone: +33 = (0)2.99.12.24.14
ana at ackl.io

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35510 Cesson-S=C3=A9vign=C3=A9 
France 

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From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = [lp-wan] I-D = Action: draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt
Date: = 20 October 2017 at 19:16:20 = GMT+2
To: = <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: lp-wan@ietf.org


A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories.
This draft is a work item of the IPv6 over = Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG of the IETF.

=        Title =           : LPWAN = Static Context Header Compression (SCHC) and fragmentation for IPv6 and = UDP
       Authors =         : Ana Minaburo
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Laurent Toutain
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Carles Gomez
Filename =        : = draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-07.txt
Pages =           : 51
= Date =            : = 2017-10-20

Abstract:
=   This document describes a header compression scheme and = fragmentation
  functionality for very low = bandwidth networks.  These techniques are
=   specially tailored for LPWAN (Low Power Wide Area Network) = networks.

  The Static Context = Header Compression (SCHC) offers a great level of
=   flexibility when processing the header fields.  SCHC = compression is
  based on a common static = context stored in a LPWAN device and in the
=   network.  Static context means that the stored = information does not
  change during the packet = transmission.  The context describes the
=   field values and keeps information that will not be = transmitted
  through the constrained = network.

  SCHC must be used for = LPWAN networks because it avoids complex
=   resynchronization mechanisms, which are incompatible with = LPWAN
  characteristics.  And also because = in most cases, IPv6/UDP headers
  are reduced = to a small identifier called Rule ID.  Eventhough
=   sometimes, a SCHC compressed packet will not fit in one L2 = PDU, and
  the SCHC fragmentation protocol will = be used.  The SCHC fragmentation
  and = reassembly mechanism is used in two situations: for SCHC-
=   compressed packets that still exceed the L2 PDU size; and = for the
  case where the SCHC compression = cannot be performed.

  This = document describes the SCHC compression/decompression framework
  and applies it to IPv6/UDP headers.  This = document also specifies a
  fragmentation and = reassembly mechanism that is used to support the
=   IPv6 MTU requirement over LPWAN technologies. =  Fragmentation is
  mandatory for IPv6 = datagrams that, after SCHC compression or when it
=   has not been possible to apply such compression, still = exceed the L2
  maximum payload size. =  Similar solutions for other protocols such as
=   CoAP will be described in separate documents.


The IETF datatracker status = page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-c= ontext-hc/

There are also htmlized = versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-contex= t-hc-07
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-sta= tic-context-hc-07

A diff from the previous = version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-stati= c-context-hc-07


Please note = that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD06134465; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: lp-wan@ietf.org, suresh@kaloom.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854545536.20809.12990988181947988486.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] lpwan - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:15 -0000 Dear Pascal Thubert, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. lpwan Session 1 (2:30:00) Monday, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Olivia size: 150 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Pascal Thubert Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: 6lo roll 6tisch core intarea Second Priority: ace detnet t2trg netconf Third Priority: 6man lwig tsvwg cbor People who must be present: Pascal Thubert Suresh Krishnan Alexander Pelov Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Oct 21 00:25:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66324132D79; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t3zmcqPiDQ8g; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA9E21329B5; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9L7PVAP002694; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 09:25:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.44.182] (vpn27.hotsplots.net [185.46.137.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3yJvMX6JQWzDWYX; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 09:25:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 530263514.869388-9ce69b8460a0bd20a5491a916d903f69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 09:25:14 +0200 Message-Id: <073DD8D1-4E5E-4843-BB92-7DBB91557086@tzi.org> To: lo <6lo@ietf.org>, 6tisch <6tisch@ietf.org>, lp-wan , lwip@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF100: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 07:25:37 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA for IETF100. Remember that "FINAL" means this will be the basis for printed agenda sheets, there is still some potential for changes after that. The CBOR/SUIT conflict has been fixed, but now there is overlap between 6TISCH and SUIT. ROLL vs. TEEP is a bit unfortunate, as is DINRG vs. LPWAN vs. DISPATCH. All times are SGT (UTC+0800). (You can get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, November 10, 2017 -- Joint meeting of OCF and T2TRG @ OCF meeting venue SATURDAY/SUNDAY -- Hackathon (including various interops) MONDAY, November 13, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART dispatch Dispatch WG - 0930-1100 Joint = with ARTAREA Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG - = 1100-1200 Olivia INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG VIP A IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure = Proposed RG Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Sophia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Padang OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Bras Basah INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Collyer INT homenet Home Networking WG Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Canning SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = BOF 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Sophia INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG - 0930-1030 Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Canning TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG TUESDAY, November 14, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Collyer SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Olivia TSV taps Transport Services WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Bras Basah ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Canning INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG VIP A SEC tokbind Token Binding WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Padang IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Olivia RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Sophia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG WEDNESDAY, November 15, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Canning INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Olivia INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG = - 1100-1200 VIP A IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Collyer TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Bras Basah ART uta Using TLS in Applications WG VIP A RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Collyer SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning BOF Orchard TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Collyer INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG VIP A IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Orchard SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG THURSDAY, November 16, 2017 0930-1200 Morning Session I Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Collyer OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Sophia RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Canning SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Collyer IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking Proposed RG Padang SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Olivia ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG VIP A ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment = WG - 1550-1650 Canning RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Sophia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III VIP A SEC curdle CURves, Deprecating and a Little more = Encryption WG Padang TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting FRIDAY, November 17, 2017 0930-1130 Morning Session I Canning ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG VIP A RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Collyer TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG From nobody Mon Oct 23 00:58:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0438A13EDFA for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LPWANers, The final agenda for IETF 100 has been published at: https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/meeting/100/agenda.html. Keep this link, it's always useful with a n= umber of pointers to meeting needful things. Also consider the IETF applica= tion for your smartphone... So LPWAN will be meeting on Monday from 9:30 to 12:00, during Morning sessi= on I in room Olivia. If you'd like a slot to present a draft, please send a request to the chair= s (cc) by Monday October 30th. Please note that this is also the deadline f= or both draft document and draft agenda submission. Please provide the following information: - Draft name - Presenter name - Expected duration - Objective of the discussion We kindly request to send your slides for presentations by Wednesday, Novem= ber 8th. A template will be provided. Any WG draft not being discussed/presented needs a status update sent to th= e list by November 10th. As always - we would appreciate your help in taking notes and jabber, pleas= e do volunteer! Looking forward to seeing you in all Singapore! Cheers, Alexander and Pascal --_000_5230bb84ee84460abbd18fbb25d7c09fXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LPWANers,

 

The final agenda for IETF 100 has been published = at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda.html. Keep this link, i= t's always useful with a number of pointers to meeting needful things. Also= consider the IETF application for your smartphone...

 

So LPWAN will be meeting on Monday from 9:30 to 1= 2:00, during Morning session I in room Olivia.

 

If you'd like a slot to present a draft, please s= end a request to the chairs (cc) by Monday October 30th. Please note that this is also the de= adline for both draft document and draft agenda submission.

 

Please provide the following information:

-       = ;  Draft name

-       = ;  Presenter name

-       = ;  Expected duration

-       = ;  Objective of the discussion

 

We kindly request to send your slides for present= ations by Wednesday, November 8th. A template will be provided.<= o:p>

 

Any WG draft not being discussed/presented needs = a status update sent to the list by November 10th.

 

As always - we would appreciate your help in taki= ng notes and jabber, please do volunteer!

 

Looking forward to seeing you in all Singapore!

 

Cheers,

 

Alexander and Pascal

 

--_000_5230bb84ee84460abbd18fbb25d7c09fXCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 11:08:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5252B137C4A for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fmmGE__UTA0z for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8766E138AEE for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 88.191.87.30 Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [88.191.87.30]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0AC9A80C6 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:08:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Pelov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <6067C28A-8B17-4766-B6F1-820830E69186@ackl.io> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:08:34 +0200 To: lp-wan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Agenda for Interim meeting (tomorrow, October 24) X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:08:40 -0000 Dear all, The updated version of the Agenda for the Interim Meeting tomorrow = (October 24) is now on the datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2017-lpwan-10-lpwan-01/ As we have finalized the work on the LPWAN Overview and we are nearing = finalization of the IP/UDP SCHC draft, this call will be almost = exclusively on the latter. There have been a very important readability = improvements in the latest version submitted a couple of days ago, so = please participate in the discussion and read the draft. The call details can be found in the Agenda. See you tomorrow! Best, The Chairs From nobody Tue Oct 24 02:31:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EEF13F3C4 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KtAP6tLG9P6Y for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8FB113F3C2 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:660:7301:3728:c876:cfba:896:950c] (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:7301:3728:c876:cfba:896:950c]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58366C5A84 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:31:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Pelov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:31:08 +0200 References: <6067C28A-8B17-4766-B6F1-820830E69186@ackl.io> To: lp-wan In-Reply-To: <6067C28A-8B17-4766-B6F1-820830E69186@ackl.io> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Materials for Interim meeting (today, October 24) X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:31:12 -0000 Dear all, You can find the materials for today=E2=80=99s interim on the = Datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2017-lpwan-10/materials/slide= s-interim-2017-lpwan-10-sessa-aggregated-slides-for-lpwan-meeting/ As always, please do take notes and check the discussions on the = Etherpad. See you in a couple of hours, The Chairs > Le 23 oct. 2017 =C3=A0 20:08, Alexander Pelov a =C3=A9crit = : >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > The updated version of the Agenda for the Interim Meeting tomorrow = (October 24) is now on the datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2017-lpwan-10-lpwan-01/ >=20 > As we have finalized the work on the LPWAN Overview and we are nearing = finalization of the IP/UDP SCHC draft, this call will be almost = exclusively on the latter. There have been a very important readability = improvements in the latest version submitted a couple of days ago, so = please participate in the discussion and read the draft. >=20 > The call details can be found in the Agenda. >=20 > See you tomorrow! >=20 > Best, > The Chairs >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan From nobody Tue Oct 24 10:20:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7A4138FA0 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uFmB_vlLn1TH for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16CDC138103 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 192.44.77.209 Received: from zax.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (nat-asr-incub-b209.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.209]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 349D6A80C1 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:20:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Pelov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:20:39 +0200 References: <6067C28A-8B17-4766-B6F1-820830E69186@ackl.io> To: lp-wan In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <549973F2-2238-4DD3-AB20-12F6F660ACB8@ackl.io> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] Minutes from today's meeting X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:20:47 -0000 Dear all, Thank you for the fruitful meeting today! You can find the minutes in = the Datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2017-lpwan-10-20171024170= 0/ Action points: - Carles: send description of the timer solution of the ACK lost in = downlink fragmentation case to the ML - All: review latest version of IP/UDP SCHC after a big readability = improvement and some new optimization techniques We are aiming at adding the final touches in Singapore, so we do need = your feedback before. See you in two weeks (November 7th) on our usual time-slot. 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As we discussed yesterday, I think we can solve the problem with only on Downlink message at the time and then generalize if with a special uplink request. I will also reverse the scenario it is easier for me (uplink from the left to the right). A exchange without losses looks like that: D Network | | DL request |-------------------->| Wbitmap |<--------------------| W=0; FCN=0; data BM=01 |-------------------->| |<--------------------| W=1; FCN=0; data BM=11 |-------------------->| |<--------------------| W=0; FCN=0; data BM=01 |-------------------->| |<--------------------| W=1; FCN=0; data BM=11 |-------------------->| |<--------------------| W=0; FCN=1; data BM=01 |-------------------->| if a all-0 is lost: D Network | | DL request |-------------------->| |<--------------------| W=0; FCN=0; data BM=01 |-------------------->| | | x------------| W=1; FCN=0; data | | | | | | | | | | | v | | H W=1; FCN=0; data v | H BM=01 |-------------------->H ignored since w is wrong |<--------------------| The sender timer expire, the frag is sent again but blocked by the NGW. In any case, we can say that the device expect data since it has not received FCN=1. The device must send a UL to get it. Timer must be higher than the one used by the fragmenter. If bitmap is lost (the FSM states are shown: on the left hand-side which window is expected, and in the right hand-side which is the current window). D Network expect| | current window v| | v DL request 0|-------------------->| 0| 0|<--------------------| 0| W=0; FCN=0; data BM=01 1|-------------------->| ---------------------- 1|<--------------------| 1| W=1; FCN=0; data BM=11 0|----------X | 1| | | 0| | 1| | | 0| | 1| | | 0| | 1| | | 0| | 1| | | 0| | 1| v | 0| H 1| W=1; FCN=0; data v 0| H 1| BM=11 0|-------------------->H ------------- ignore w==1 0|<--------------------H 0| frag is NGW sent BM=11 0|-------------------->| 0| W==1; ignored 1|<--------------------| 0| W=0; FCN=0; data BM=01 1|-------------------->| ------------- In that case, the fragmentation side sends again the frag, which is buffered in the NGW. Then the receiver timer expires which triggers the bitmap retransmission. For an All-1 lost, the scenario is almost the same, the receivers knows that all fragmentation ends with an All-1. So the same timer in the receiver side can be used to request a DL transmission D Network | | DL request |-------------------->| |<--------------------| W=0; FCN=0; data BM=01 |-------------------->| | | x------------| W=1; FCN=1; data | | | | | | | | | | | v | | H W=1; FCN=1; data v | H BM=01 |-------------------->H ignored since w is wrong |<--------------------H BM=11 |-------------------->| end if the bitmap is lost, it is more complex, I don't remember clearly Alex's proposal. The problem is that the receiver state machine considers that the transmission is over, and I don't see why it should send again the bitmap to be sure that the sender has received it. 1|<--------------------| 1| W=1; FCN=1; data BM=11 e|----------X | 1| | | e| | 1| | | e| | 1| | | e| | 1| | | e| | 1| | | e| | 1| v | e| H 1| W=1; FCN=1; data v e| H 1| BM=11 e|-------------------->H e e|<--------------------H e e|-------------------->| e e| | e Laurent On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Juan Carlos Zuniga < juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com> wrote: > Hi Carles, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lp-wan [mailto:lp-wan-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carles Gomez > > Montenegro > > Sent: October 4, 2017 3:20 AM > > To: lp-wan@ietf.org > > Subject: [lp-wan] Problem with downlink fragmentation (and proposed > > solution) > > > > Dear LPWANners, > > > > I would like to report a possible problem with downlink fragmentation in > > Window mode - ACK Always, and a possible solution for it. > > > > The problem > > *********** > > > > Let us assume *downlink* transmission of an IPv6 packet that requires > > fragmentation, and ACK Always mode. Recall that in some LPWAN > > technologies and scenarios, a number of downlink transmissions can only > be > > performed after reception of an uplink frame that allows the opportunity > for > > downlink transmissions. > > > > As an example, let us assume a window size of 4 fragments is used (and > > supported by the lower layer technology as well), and an IPv6 packet that > > requires 6 fragments to be carried. In the example, after an uplink > frame that > > triggers transmission in the downlink, the first 4 fragments are > transmitted > > and successfully delivered to the receiver. Since ACK Always is used, an > ACK is > > sent by the receiver (to confirm that all those first 4 fragments were > > successfully received). But the ACK is lost. > > > > If the ACK is lost, the ACK Always timer will expire and the sender will > > attempt a retry of the last fragment sent (as a way to request the ACK). > > However, since transmission of the fragments is in the downlink, such > retry > > will not be possible without an uplink frame transmission that allows the > > opportunity to transmit further downlink frames: > > > > ----> downlink > > <---- uplink > > > > Sender Receiver > > |<-- trigger UL ------| > > |-----W=0, FCN=3----->| > > |-----W=0, FCN=2----->| > > |-----W=0, FCN=1----->| > > |-----W=0, FCN=0----->| > > lost |<--X--ACK, W=1-------|no bitmap > > (*) |-----W=0, FCN=0----->| > > > > (*) This fragment should be (re)sent, but it will not be possible > > without a previous uplink frame > > > > At this point, i.e. after loss of the ACK, fragmented IPv6 packet > transmission > > would stall as per the current SCHC draft. Something similar would > happen if > > some of the fragments had been lost and the ACK (with a > > bitmap) was lost. > > > [JCZ] True. This would be a problem > > > > > Possible solution > > ***************** > > > > A possible solution to the above problem would be to allow the receiver > to > > resend the ACK after some time without receiving further fragments. In > fact, > > the receiver can tell that the packet transmission has not finished at > the > > moment of transmission of the ACK, since it has not received yet the > "all-1" > > fragment (FCN=2^N-1, e.g. FCN=7 in the example). > > > > This means adding a timer at the receiver for downlink fragment > > transmission (possibly as an optional feature). > > > > What does the WG think about adding this feature to the SCHC draft? > > > > Do you see other approaches to solve the above mentioned problem? > > [JCZ] I think that the proposed solution makes sense and it is a minor > change to the current spec. > The specific timer value could be defined in an eventual SCHC-over-foo > document. > > Best, > > Juan Carlos > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lp-wan mailing list > > lp-wan@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > > _______________________________________________ > lp-wan mailing list > lp-wan@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lp-wan > --001a114836fa74fae9055c6f84eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Carles,

Thank you to raise this = element for the FSM.
As we discussed yesterday, I think we ca= n solve the problem with only on Downlink message at the time and then gene= ralize if with a special uplink request. I will also reverse the scenario i= t is easier for me (uplink from the left to the right).

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A exchange without losses looks like that:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Network
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=
DL request |----= ---------------->|
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wbitmap |<--------------------| W=3D0; FCN=3D0;= data
BM= =3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->|
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<---------------= -----| W=3D1; FCN=3D0; data
BM=3D11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |------------------= -->|=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 |<--------------------| W=3D0; FCN=3D0; data
BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->|
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<--------------------| W=3D1; FCN=3D0; data=
BM=3D11=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<--------= ------------| W=3D0; FCN=3D1; data
BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |----------------= ---->|=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0



if a all-0 is lost:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Network<= /span>
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 |
DL request |-------------------->|
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<--------------------| W=3D0; FCN=3D0; data
BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->|
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 x------= ------| W=3D1; FCN=3D0; data
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | v
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H W=3D1; FCN=3D0; d= ata=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 v=C2=A0 |=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H
BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |------------------<= wbr>-->H ignored since w is wrong
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<--------------------|


=

The sender=C2=A0 timer expire, the frag is sent again b= ut blocked by the NGW. In any case, we can say that the device expect data = since it has not received FCN=3D1. The device must send a UL to get it. Tim= er must be higher than the one used by the fragmenter.

<= /div>
If bitmap is lost (the FSM states are shown: on the left hand-sid= e which window is expected, and in the right hand-side which is the current= window).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Network
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = expect|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | current window
=
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 v|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | v
DL request=C2=A0 0|-------------------->| 0|
<= /span>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0|<-----------= ---------| 0|=C2=A0 W=3D0; FCN=3D0; data
BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = 1|-------------------->| ----------------------
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1|<--------------------| 1|=C2=A0 = W=3D1; FCN=3D0; data
BM=3D11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0|----------X =C2=A0=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1|=C2=A0=C2=A0 |
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0|= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2= =A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 | 0|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1|=C2=A0=C2= =A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0= |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2=A0 v
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H 1|=C2=A0 = W=3D1; FCN=3D0; data=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 v 0|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 H 1|
BM=3D11=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0|-------------------->H -------------
ignore w=3D=3D1 0|<= ;--------------------H 0|=C2=A0 frag is NGW sent
BM=3D11=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0|-------------------->|= 0|=C2=A0 W=3D=3D1; ignored
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 1|<--------------------| 0|=C2=A0 = W=3D0; FCN=3D0; data
BM=3D01= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1|-------------------->| ----------= ---

In that case, the frag= mentation side sends again the frag, which is buffered in the NGW.
Then the receiver timer expires which triggers the bitmap retransmis= sion.


For an All-1 lost, the s= cenario is almost the same, the receivers knows that all fragmentation
ends with an All-1. So the same timer in the receiver side can be use= d to request a DL transmission


=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Network
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |
DL request |-------------------->|
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<--------------------| W=3D0; F= CN=3D0; data
BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->|
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 x------------| W=3D1; FCN=3D1; data
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | |<= span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | |<= br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | v =
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H W=3D1; FCN=3D1; data=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 v=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 H
<= span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">BM=3D01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->H ignored since w is wrong
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |<---------------= -----H
BM=3D11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |-------------------->| end


if the bitmap is lost, = it is more complex, I don't remember clearly Alex's proposal. The p= roblem is that the
receiver state machine considers that the tran= smission is over, and I don't see why it should send
aga= in the bitmap to be sure that the sender has received it.
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1|<----------------= ----| 1|=C2=A0 W=3D1; FCN=3D1; data
BM=3D11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e|--------= --X =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1|=C2=A0=C2=A0 |
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= | e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | = 1| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2=A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1|=C2= =A0=C2=A0 |
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 | e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1| =C2=A0 v
<= span style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H 1|= =C2=A0 W=3D1; FCN=3D1; data=C2=A0=C2= =A0
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 v e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H 1|
BM= =3D11=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 e|-------------------->= H e
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 e|<--------------------H e
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e|----------= ---------->| e
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = e|=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | e
=
Laurent


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at = 9:01 PM, Juan Carlos Zuniga <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com&g= t; wrote:
Hi Carles,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lp-wan [mailto:lp-wan= -bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carles Gomez
> Montenegro
> Sent: October 4, 2017 3:20 AM
> To: lp-wan@ietf.org
> Subject: [lp-wan] Problem with downlink fragmentation (and proposed > solution)
>
> Dear LPWANners,
>
> I would like to report a possible problem with downlink fragmentation = in
> Window mode - ACK Always, and a possible solution for it.
>
> The problem
> ***********
>
> Let us assume *downlink* transmission of an IPv6 packet that requires<= br> > fragmentation, and ACK Always mode. Recall that in some LPWAN
> technologies and scenarios, a number of downlink transmissions can onl= y be
> performed after reception of an uplink frame that allows the opportuni= ty for
> downlink transmissions.
>
> As an example, let us assume a window size of 4 fragments is used (and=
> supported by the lower layer technology as well), and an IPv6 packet t= hat
> requires 6 fragments to be carried. In the example, after an uplink fr= ame that
> triggers transmission in the downlink, the first 4 fragments are trans= mitted
> and successfully delivered to the receiver. Since ACK Always is used, = an ACK is
> sent by the receiver (to confirm that all those first 4 fragments were=
> successfully received). But the ACK is lost.
>
> If the ACK is lost, the ACK Always timer will expire and the sender wi= ll
> attempt a retry of the last fragment sent (as a way to request the ACK= ).
> However, since transmission of the fragments is in the downlink, such = retry
> will not be possible without an uplink frame transmission that allows = the
> opportunity to transmit further downlink frames:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----> downlink
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <---- uplink
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sender=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Receiver
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|<-- trigger = UL ------|
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|-----W=3D0, FCN= =3D3----->|
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|-----W=3D0, FCN= =3D2----->|
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|-----W=3D0, FCN= =3D1----->|
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|-----W=3D0, FCN= =3D0----->|
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 lost |<--X--ACK, W=3D1-------|no = bitmap
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(*) |-----W=3D0, FCN=3D0-----&= gt;|
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (*) This fragment should be (re)sent, but it will not be = possible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 without a previous uplink frame
>
> At this point, i.e. after loss of the ACK, fragmented IPv6 packet tran= smission
> would stall as per the current SCHC draft. Something similar would hap= pen if
> some of the fragments had been lost and the ACK (with a
> bitmap) was lost.
>
[JCZ] True. This would be a problem

>
> Possible solution
> *****************
>
> A possible solution to the above problem would be to allow the receive= r to
> resend the ACK after some time without receiving further fragments. In= fact,
> the receiver can tell that the packet transmission has not finished at= the
> moment of transmission of the ACK, since it has not received yet the &= quot;all-1"
> fragment (FCN=3D2^N-1, e.g. FCN=3D7 in the example).
>
> This means adding a timer at the receiver for downlink fragment
> transmission=C2=A0 (possibly as an optional feature).
>
> What does the WG think about adding this feature to the SCHC draft? >
> Do you see other approaches to solve the above mentioned problem?

[JCZ] I think that the proposed solution makes sense and it is a min= or change to the current spec.
The specific timer value could be defined in an eventual SCHC-over-foo docu= ment.

Best,

Juan Carlos

>
> Thanks,
>
> Carles
>
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From your view, it will be useful for CoAP servers responding to clients connected to a LPWAN network. Since clients are sleeping most of the time, interactions will take longer. Servers must adapt their behavior. We would like to have a feedback from the CoAP community on this proposal. Laurent and Ana. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 4:33 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-toutain-core-time-scale-00.txt To: Laurent Toutain , Ana Minaburo < ana@ackl.io>, Laurent Toutain A new version of I-D, draft-toutain-core-time-scale-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Laurent Toutain and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-toutain-core-time-scale Revision: 00 Title: CoAP Time Scale Option Document date: 2017-10-26 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 6 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-toutain-core- time-scale-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-toutain-core-time- scale/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-toutain-core-time-scale-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-toutain-core- time-scale-00 Abstract: SCHC compression mechanism for LPWAN network enables IPv6 on devices connected to a constrained network (LPWAN). They can communicate with a CoAP server located anywhere in the Internet. LPWAN network characteristics limits the number of exchanges and may impose a long RTT. The CoAP server must be aware of these properties to manage correctly requests. The Time Scale option allows a device to inform a CoAP server of the duration the message ID value should be kept in memory to manage correctly message duplication. 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Hi,

We just published this dra= ft for a new CoAP option called Time Scale. From your view, it will be usef= ul for CoAP servers responding to clients connected to a LPWAN network. Sin= ce clients are sleeping most of the time, interactions will take longer. Se= rvers must adapt their behavior.

We would like to have a feedb= ack from the CoAP community on this proposal.

Laurent and Ana.=

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Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 4:33 PM
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To: Laure= nt Toutain <Laurent= .Toutain@imt-atlantique.fr>, Ana Minaburo <ana@ackl.io>, Laurent Toutain <laurent.toutain@imt-atlantique.fr>


A new version of I-D, draft-toutain-core-time-scale-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Laurent Toutain and posted to the
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SCHC compression mechanism for LPWAN network enables IPv6 on d= evices
=C2=A0 =C2=A0connected to a constrained network (LPWAN).=C2=A0 They can com= municate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0with a CoAP server located anywhere in the Internet.=C2=A0 LPW= AN network
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0RTT.=C2=A0 The CoAP server must be aware of these properties t= o manage
=C2=A0 =C2=A0correctly requests.=C2=A0 The Time Scale option allows a devic= e to inform
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a CoAP server of the duration the message ID value should be k= ept in
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--001a114323f8bd9b2a055c892c63-- From nobody Sat Oct 28 22:23:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: lp-wan@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0235D13ADF6 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRZq91x95uyg for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta240.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E174C13F632 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.11]) by opfedar26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 5E04C1C0712 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:23:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.69]) by opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 46A7418003F for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:23:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8c90:f4e9:be28:2a1]) by OPEXCLILMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::bc1c:ad2f:eda3:8c3d%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:23:34 +0100 From: To: "lp-wan@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-barthel-icmpv6-schc-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHTUHYRNBazojToQ025UwphfW3Xxw== Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 05:23:34 +0000 Message-ID: <32611_1509254615_59F565D7_32611_481_1_D61B234F.4AA51%dominique.barthel@orange.com> References: <150920585846.2564.1845133964277806472.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150920585846.2564.1845133964277806472.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.3.170325 x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <5F4EC5E4DA1377419D1C0376E51D6154@adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [lp-wan] FW: New Version Notification for draft-barthel-icmpv6-schc-00.txt X-BeenThere: lp-wan@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Low-Power Wide Area Networking \(LP-WAN\), also known as LPWA or Low-Rate WAN \(LR-WAN\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 05:23:39 -0000 Dear LPWANers This is to let you know that we have submitted a new draft regarding the use of ICMPv6 error messages and Echo Request/Reply in LPWANs. This is very preliminary draft discusses proxying the Device at the infrastructure level and/or compressing the above-mentioned headers using SCHC. It will be presented at our meeting in Singapore. Feel free to comment on the mailing list in the meantime. 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ICMPv6 messages are > transported on IPv6. > > This document describes how to adapt ICMPv6 to Low Power Wide Area > Networks (LPWANs) by compressing ICMPv6/IPv6 headers and by > protecting the LPWAN network and the Device from undesirable ICMPv6 > traffic. > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >The IETF Secretariat > ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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During the following weeks we plan to enrich it considerably. We would like to ask for a time slot for discussion during the IETF 100. Best regards, Alper and Ivaylo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan-00.txt Date: 2017-10-30 18:43 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: "Ivaylo Petrov" , "Alper Yegin" A new version of I-D, draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Ivaylo Petrov and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan Revision: 00 Title: Static Context Header Compression (SCHC) over LoRaWAN Document date: 2017-10-30 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 7 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan-00 Abstract: The Static Context Header Compression (SCHC) specification describes generic header compression and fragmentation techniques for LPWAN (Low Power Wide Area Networks) technologies. SCHC is a generic mechanism designed for great flexibility, so that it can be adapted for any of the LPWAN technologies. This document provides the adaptation of SCHC for use in LoRaWAN networks, and provides elements such as efficient parameterization and modes of operation. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all : We placed a draft agenda on the IETF tools site https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-100-lpwan/ At the time of the posting it reads as follows; please let us know if we ne= ed to consider changing anything before next Monday. The chairs. Meeting : IETF 100, July 16 - 21, 2017, Singapore Time : November 13, 2017, 9:30-12:00 SGT (150min) Location : Olivia Chairs : Pascal Thubert Alexander Pelov Responsible AD : Suresh Krishnan URLs : http://tools.ietf.org/wg/lpwan/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/lpwan/ https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lpwan Agenda ------ * [09:30] Administrivia [20min= ] o Note-Well, Scribes, Agenda Bashing o Status of drafts (WGLC / forthcoming WGLC) * [09:50] draft-ietf-lpwan-overview [10min= ] o LPWAN Overview - Doc status and updates * [10:00] draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc o Update on IPv6 compression [10min= ] o Update on SCHC fragmentation [20min= ] * [10:30] draft-ietf-lpwan-coap-static-context-hc [10min= ] * [10:40] draft-barthel-icmpv6-schc [10min= ] * [10:50] draft-petrov-lpwan-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan [15min= ] * [11:05] draft-zuniga-lpwan-schc-over-sigfox [15min= ] * [11:20] ETSI LTN and LPWAN-CSS [30min= ] * [11:50] AOB [10min= ] --_000_b832a5f300844640bf984f90fdb6d30aXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all :

 

We placed a draft agenda on the IETF tools site=

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-100-lpwan/

 

At the time of the posting it reads as follows; plea= se let us know if we need to consider changing anything before next Monday.=

 

The chairs.

 

Meeting        :   IETF 100, July 16 - 2=
1, 2017, Singapore
Time           : &=
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Responsible AD :   Suresh Krishnan
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sp;  https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/lpwan/
      &n=
bsp;            https://www.ietf.org/mailman/=
listinfo/lpwan

Agenda
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*    [09:30] Admini=
strivia                   =
;                     &nb=
sp;  [20min]
    o    Note-Well, Scribes, Agend=
a Bashing
    o    Status of drafts (WGLC / forthcom=
ing WGLC)

*    [09:50] draft-ietf-lpwan-overview  &nb=
sp;                     &=
nbsp;      [10min]
    o    LPWAN Ove=
rview - Doc status and updates

*    [10:00] draft-ietf-lpw=
an-ipv6-static-context-hc
    o    Update on IPv6 co=
mpression                  &nb=
sp;               [10min]
  &nbs=
p; o    Update on SCHC fragmentation        &=
nbsp;                    =
   [20min]

*    [10:30] draft-ietf-lpwan-coap-static-=
context-hc                 [10=
min]

*    [10:40] draft-barthel-icmpv6-schc    &=
nbsp;                    =
      [10min]

*    [10:50] draft-petrov-lpw=
an-ipv6-schc-over-lorawan             &n=
bsp; [15min]

*    [11:05] draft-zuniga-lpwan-schc-over-sig=
fox                   &nb=
sp; [15min]

*    [11:20] ETSI LTN and LPWAN-CSS  &nbs=
p;                     &n=
bsp;         [30min]
*    [11:50] AOB =
;                     &nb=
sp;                     &=
nbsp;        [10min]

 

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