From owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 15 05:12:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1978928C200 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:12:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VuTA1c5PCHSk for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBA928C167 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FD3o9c047710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0FD3oHt047709; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com (scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com [65.242.48.253]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n0FD3dU9047688 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CWallace@cygnacom.com) Received: (qmail 12081 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from CWallace@cygnacom.com by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with EntrustECS-Server-7.4;15 Jan 2009 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scygexch1.cygnacom.com) (10.60.50.8) by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 13:03:41 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RFC 5378 and Draft Submissions Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RFC 5378 and Draft Submissions thread-index: Acl3Ea5jdfN3lxLnQr66Ur9Df2DvpQ== From: "Carl Wallace" To: Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: IETF Chair Russ Housley has asked WG chairs to apprise WGs of discussions related to RFC 5378. Eric Rescorla prepared the following summary of the issue. "If you've been following the IETF mailing list, you may be aware of the ongoing discussion about the impact of RFC 5378 on revised draft submissions. Briefly, RFC 5378 requires Contributors to grant a more expansive set of rights than were granted by RFC 3978, and 4748. If you are submitting a document which contains text contributed by others prior to the publication of RFC 5378 you may need to obtain additional rights from the copyright holders of that text in order to contribute under the 5378 terms. The IESG and the IETF Trustees are working to resolve those issues (see http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/Background-to-Draft-Update-to-IETF-Trust-Le gal-Provisions.txt). However, at present I would advise care prior to submitting any draft which contains material derived from an RFC, draft, or mailing list message published prior to November 10, 2008. Speaking personally, I have chosen not to submit new versions of most of my drafts until matters are resolved. Please take any general discussion of RFC 5378 to ietf@ietf.org." From owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 20 09:06:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96103A6C0D for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:06:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.455, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vqnjDYFieYHK for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB1F3A6982 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0KGxlp4027196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0KGxl4T027195; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0KGxkDF027189 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 966E43A6A00; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:00:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Data Structure for the Security Suitability of Cryptographic Algorithms (DSSC) Author(s) : T. Kunz, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2009-01-20 Since cryptographic algorithms can become weak over the years, it is necessary to evaluate their security suitability. When signing or verifying data, or when encrypting or decrypting data, these evaluations must be considered. This document specifies a data structure that enables an automated analysis of the security suitability of a given cryptographic algorithm at a given point of time which may be in the past, at the present time or in the future.Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-01-20085213.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 20 11:22:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC273A6942 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.855, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rc8YSRIYiBEQ for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6223A6982 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0KJGlPC033032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0KJGlHm033031; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com (scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com [65.242.48.253]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n0KJGZjP033006 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CWallace@cygnacom.com) Received: (qmail 9596 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0000 Received: from CWallace@cygnacom.com by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with EntrustECS-Server-7.4;20 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scygexch1.cygnacom.com) (10.60.50.8) by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Thread-Index: Acl7IMYZJtEa1nDWRVa5rpSm/iaJbQAErCqw References: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> From: "Carl Wallace" To: Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: A new WG last call will commence for this draft starting today and ending two weeks from tomorrow. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org > Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary=20 > Services Working Group of the IETF. >=20 >=20 > Title : Data Structure for the Security=20 > Suitability of Cryptographic Algorithms (DSSC) > Author(s) : T. Kunz, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt > Pages : 41 > Date : 2009-01-20 >=20 > Since cryptographic algorithms can become weak over the=20 > years, it is necessary to evaluate their security=20 > suitability. When signing or verifying data, or when=20 > encrypting or decrypting data, these evaluations must be=20 > considered. This document specifies a data structure that=20 > enables an automated analysis of the security suitability of=20 > a given cryptographic algorithm at a given point of time=20 > which may be in the past, at the present time or in the=20 > future.Conventions used in this document >=20 > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL=20 > NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and=20 > "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as=20 > described in [RFC2119]. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail=20 > reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII=20 > version of the Internet-Draft. >=20 From owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 20 17:55:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDDA3A6928 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4IZBWZN8h3-V for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8373A688F for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0L1n9uf048012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0L1n9Do048011; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0L1mwYm048002 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tglassey@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HmL4ZtHailW7ojY6JklBhf/mrvf6QtvSjvI+2auYvB/kg9Zbkt1z1zPKEhihwefb; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LPSDB-0007TQ-Iq; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: <49767F08.4040901@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:48:56 -0800 From: TSG User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Wallace CC: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt References: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79085e79e7c3178ca72f7c0d4c4d8b9767350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Carl Wallace wrote: > A new WG last call will commence for this draft starting today and > ending two weeks from tomorrow. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org >> [mailto:owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of >> Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org >> Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >> Good stuff. Especially the Policy Control Structures. My concerns simply are that the IETF should not be specifying the actual standards for use inside this. Those must be approved and supported by those that use them. For instance there are a number of non-public crypto services which will want to be interchanged with these, to do that the selection of the crypto type needs to be interchangeable. Also in the MOTIVE section there are several statement's which create specific requirements in the use models, but the use models are missing, so I would suggest changing the two key control statements in the MOTIVE section so they are not specific to "MUST DO" without defining what it is that must be done. Todd Glassey >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >> Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary >> Services Working Group of the IETF. >> >> >> Title : Data Structure for the Security >> Suitability of Cryptographic Algorithms (DSSC) >> Author(s) : T. Kunz, et al. >> Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >> Pages : 41 >> Date : 2009-01-20 >> >> Since cryptographic algorithms can become weak over the >> years, it is necessary to evaluate their security >> suitability. When signing or verifying data, or when >> encrypting or decrypting data, these evaluations must be >> considered. This document specifies a data structure that >> enables an automated analysis of the security suitability of >> a given cryptographic algorithm at a given point of time >> which may be in the past, at the present time or in the >> future.Conventions used in this document >> >> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL >> NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and >> "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as >> described in [RFC2119]. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail >> reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII >> version of the Internet-Draft. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM >> >> From owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 26 16:06:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltans-archive-ba2WohFa@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0353A657C for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:06:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.176, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NbM8MyrawPsb for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32143A6819 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0QNxtZ1041839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0QNxtJn041838; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0QNxikx041829 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 9D3663A6A0A; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ltans-xmlers-03.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090127000001.9D3663A6A0A@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:00:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extensible Markup Language Evidence Record Syntax Author(s) : A. Blazic, J. Blazic, T. Gondrom Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-xmlers-03.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2009-1-26 In many scenarios, users must be able to demonstrate the (time) existence, integrity and validity of data including signed data for long or undetermined period of time. This document specifies XML syntax and processing rules for creating evidence for long-term non- repudiation of existence of data. ERS-XML incorporates alternative syntax and processing rules to ASN.1 ERS syntax by using XML language. 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This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extensible Markup Language Evidence Record Syntax Author(s) : A. Blazic, J. Blazic, T. Gondrom Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-xmlers-03.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2009-1-26 In many scenarios, users must be able to demonstrate the (time) existence, integrity and validity of data including signed data for long or undetermined period of time. This document specifies XML syntax and processing rules for creating evidence for long-term non- repudiation of existence of data. ERS-XML incorporates alternative syntax and processing rules to ASN.1 ERS syntax by using XML language. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltans-xmlers-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ltans-xmlers-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-1-26155402.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0L1n9uf048012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0L1n9Do048011; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0L1mwYm048002 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tglassey@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HmL4ZtHailW7ojY6JklBhf/mrvf6QtvSjvI+2auYvB/kg9Zbkt1z1zPKEhihwefb; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LPSDB-0007TQ-Iq; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: <49767F08.4040901@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:48:56 -0800 From: TSG User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Wallace CC: ietf-ltans@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt References: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79085e79e7c3178ca72f7c0d4c4d8b9767350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Carl Wallace wrote: > A new WG last call will commence for this draft starting today and > ending two weeks from tomorrow. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org >> [mailto:owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of >> Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org >> Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >> Good stuff. Especially the Policy Control Structures. My concerns simply are that the IETF should not be specifying the actual standards for use inside this. Those must be approved and supported by those that use them. For instance there are a number of non-public crypto services which will want to be interchanged with these, to do that the selection of the crypto type needs to be interchangeable. Also in the MOTIVE section there are several statement's which create specific requirements in the use models, but the use models are missing, so I would suggest changing the two key control statements in the MOTIVE section so they are not specific to "MUST DO" without defining what it is that must be done. Todd Glassey >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >> Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary >> Services Working Group of the IETF. >> >> >> Title : Data Structure for the Security >> Suitability of Cryptographic Algorithms (DSSC) >> Author(s) : T. Kunz, et al. >> Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >> Pages : 41 >> Date : 2009-01-20 >> >> Since cryptographic algorithms can become weak over the >> years, it is necessary to evaluate their security >> suitability. When signing or verifying data, or when >> encrypting or decrypting data, these evaluations must be >> considered. This document specifies a data structure that >> enables an automated analysis of the security suitability of >> a given cryptographic algorithm at a given point of time >> which may be in the past, at the present time or in the >> future.Conventions used in this document >> >> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL >> NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and >> "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as >> described in [RFC2119]. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail >> reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII >> version of the Internet-Draft. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM >> >> Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0KJGlPC033032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0KJGlHm033031; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com (scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com [65.242.48.253]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n0KJGZjP033006 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CWallace@cygnacom.com) Received: (qmail 9596 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0000 Received: from CWallace@cygnacom.com by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with EntrustECS-Server-7.4;20 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scygexch1.cygnacom.com) (10.60.50.8) by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Thread-Index: Acl7IMYZJtEa1nDWRVa5rpSm/iaJbQAErCqw References: <20090120170001.966E43A6A00@core3.amsl.com> From: "Carl Wallace" To: Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: A new WG last call will commence for this draft starting today and ending two weeks from tomorrow. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ietf-ltans@imc.org > Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary=20 > Services Working Group of the IETF. >=20 >=20 > Title : Data Structure for the Security=20 > Suitability of Cryptographic Algorithms (DSSC) > Author(s) : T. 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This draft is a work item of the Long-Term Archive and Notary Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Data Structure for the Security Suitability of Cryptographic Algorithms (DSSC) Author(s) : T. Kunz, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2009-01-20 Since cryptographic algorithms can become weak over the years, it is necessary to evaluate their security suitability. When signing or verifying data, or when encrypting or decrypting data, these evaluations must be considered. This document specifies a data structure that enables an automated analysis of the security suitability of a given cryptographic algorithm at a given point of time which may be in the past, at the present time or in the future.Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ltans-dssc-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-01-20085213.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FD3o9c047710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n0FD3oHt047709; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com (scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com [65.242.48.253]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n0FD3dU9047688 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CWallace@cygnacom.com) Received: (qmail 12081 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from CWallace@cygnacom.com by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with EntrustECS-Server-7.4;15 Jan 2009 13:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scygexch1.cygnacom.com) (10.60.50.8) by scygmxsecs1.cygnacom.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 13:03:41 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RFC 5378 and Draft Submissions Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RFC 5378 and Draft Submissions thread-index: Acl3Ea5jdfN3lxLnQr66Ur9Df2DvpQ== From: "Carl Wallace" To: Sender: owner-ietf-ltans@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: IETF Chair Russ Housley has asked WG chairs to apprise WGs of discussions related to RFC 5378. Eric Rescorla prepared the following summary of the issue. "If you've been following the IETF mailing list, you may be aware of the ongoing discussion about the impact of RFC 5378 on revised draft submissions. Briefly, RFC 5378 requires Contributors to grant a more expansive set of rights than were granted by RFC 3978, and 4748. If you are submitting a document which contains text contributed by others prior to the publication of RFC 5378 you may need to obtain additional rights from the copyright holders of that text in order to contribute under the 5378 terms. The IESG and the IETF Trustees are working to resolve those issues (see http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/Background-to-Draft-Update-to-IETF-Trust-Le gal-Provisions.txt). However, at present I would advise care prior to submitting any draft which contains material derived from an RFC, draft, or mailing list message published prior to November 10, 2008. Speaking personally, I have chosen not to submit new versions of most of my drafts until matters are resolved. Please take any general discussion of RFC 5378 to ietf@ietf.org."