From mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Thu Mar 1 10:03:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ltru@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3189721E8115 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:03:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6dhvqBD5nH2 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BED421E80F9 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by wicr5 with SMTP id r5so166131wic.31 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mark.edward.davis@gmail.com designates 10.180.107.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.107.6; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mark.edward.davis@gmail.com designates 10.180.107.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mark.edward.davis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.107.6]) by 10.180.107.6 with SMTP id gy6mr4800442wib.16.1330625006329 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:03:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Xmz5b9SNOntM0wygoRl41WxfcMU7+fORKSw9RRxVMOI=; b=Z4W6E7rMOZCsnFJtc14flnx4yMPVN4RiD/NA5qz4Zc++/g7T4RKqZqPd8CErMCIKdx 2AVb39btMg6JORGNndlAgIMTWiKs//ruWX6HsrVQRDKL1rl3aHpp5S1SCqBw8Vw9xNWf 4o9plni58bFipxyJg3el3iICpQCsyZG5TSi4o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.107.6 with SMTP id gy6mr3868344wib.16.1330625006189; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:03:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.160.73 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:03:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:03:26 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vZ1KlsTW43qlta0bN0yGZwowWDM Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJU=?= To: Peter Constable Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23569fd2bc6904ba32465c Cc: "LTRU Working Group \(ltru@ietf.org\)" , "ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" Subject: Re: [Ltru] Windows 8 user languages and BCP 47 X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:03:28 -0000 --e89a8f23569fd2bc6904ba32465c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a great achievement; I know something of what it is like to get all of the pieces lined up in a complex product (or set of products) to make something like this happen. It takes a lot of work=E2=80=A6 I'll look forward to trying it out; congratulations to you and your team, Peter! Mark * * *=E2=80=94 Il meglio =C3=A8 l=E2=80=99inimico del bene =E2=80=94* ** On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:43, Peter Constable wrot= e: > [I know this will sound like a product plug. It may be that in part, but > I really do want to applaud BCP 47.]**** > > ** ** > > The Windows 8 Consumer Preview went live today for the public to download > and try out. One of the changes in this release is in the area of > international settings, with the new Language control panel as the focal > point. In previous versions of Windows, users were very limited (relative > to the thousands of known languages) in terms of getting Windows to > recognize the languages that they use. Thanks to ISO 639-3 and BCP 47, th= is > is radically changed in Windows 8: users are now able to indicate > preferences from thousands of languages (and tens of thousands of > language-script pairings).**** > > ** ** > > To keep from having an overwhelming number of options from being > presented, we don=E2=80=99t list every possibility by default. But using = the search > feature when you add a language, you can search on many additional langua= ge > names, and you can also search using a BCP 47 tag. Any =E2=80=9Cvalid=E2= =80=9D BCP 47 > language tag will be accepted, and that language can be added to your use= r > profile. For our purposes, =E2=80=9Cvalid=E2=80=9D means (i) subtags are = known (we=E2=80=99ll have > a snapshot of LTRU), (ii) the script for the language is known (either an > explicit script subtag or the script can be implied from the language > subtag), and (iii) the script is one for which Windows 8 has text display > support (I=E2=80=99ve lost count=E2=80=94close to 50).**** > > ** ** > > So, for instance, users can add to their profile languages such as > sga-Oghm (Old Irish written in Ogham script) or tlh-Latn (Klingon written > in Latin script). And with that, they can search for web content in those > languages, or edit documents in those languages, or write apps or languag= e > tools like spelling checkers for those languages.**** > > ** ** > > It=E2=80=99s a milestone with personal significance for me=E2=80=94I star= ted looking into > how thousands of lesser-known languages could be supported in commercial > software over 12 years ago. I want to give a big thanks to everyone who w= as > involved in the (sometimes arduous) work on BCP 47 during that time. I se= e > this a great success for BCP 47, and I hope it will lead to lots of succe= ss > stories for smaller language communities throughout the world.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Thanks, all!**** > > Peter Constable**** > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > --e89a8f23569fd2bc6904ba32465c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's a great achievement; I= know something of what it is like to get all of the pieces lined up=C2=A0<= /font>=C2=A0in a comple= x product (or set of products)=C2=A0to make something like this happen. It takes a = lot of work=E2=80=A6

I'll look forward to trying it out; congratu= lations to you and your team, Peter!


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On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:43, Peter Con= stable <pete= rcon@microsoft.com> wrote:

[I know this will sound like a product plug. It may = be that in part, but I really do want to applaud BCP 47.]

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The Windows 8 Consumer Preview went live today for t= he public to download and try out. One of the changes in this release is in= the area of international settings, with the new Language control panel as= the focal point. In previous versions of Windows, users were very limited (relative to the thousands of known la= nguages) in terms of getting Windows to recognize the languages that they u= se. Thanks to ISO 639-3 and BCP 47, this is radically changed in Windows 8:= users are now able to indicate preferences from thousands of languages (and tens of thousands of language= -script pairings).

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To keep from having an overwhelming number of option= s from being presented, we don=E2=80=99t list every possibility by default.= But using the search feature when you add a language, you can search on ma= ny additional language names, and you can also search using a BCP 47 tag. Any =E2=80=9Cvalid=E2=80=9D BCP 47 languag= e tag will be accepted, and that language can be added to your user profile= . For our purposes, =E2=80=9Cvalid=E2=80=9D means (i) subtags are known (we= =E2=80=99ll have a snapshot of LTRU), (ii) the script for the language is known (either an explicit script subtag or the script can be implied from = the language subtag), and (iii) the script is one for which Windows 8 has t= ext display support (I=E2=80=99ve lost count=E2=80=94close to 50).

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So, for instance, users can add to their profile lan= guages such as sga-Oghm (Old Irish written in Ogham script) or tlh-Latn (Kl= ingon written in Latin script). And with that, they can search for web cont= ent in those languages, or edit documents in those languages, or write apps or language tools like spelling checkers= for those languages.

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It=E2=80=99s a milestone with personal significance = for me=E2=80=94I started looking into how thousands of lesser-known languag= es could be supported in commercial software over 12 years ago. I want to g= ive a big thanks to everyone who was involved in the (sometimes arduous) work on BCP 47 during that time. I see this a great su= ccess for BCP 47, and I hope it will lead to lots of success stories for sm= aller language communities throughout the world.

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Thanks, all!

Peter Constable


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