From meta-model-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 04:43:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcHNG-00010S-8h; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:43:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcHJz-0007Kt-MP; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:39:55 -0400 Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.100] helo=nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcHJy-0000fT-GZ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:39:55 -0400 Received: from 51.105.64.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Apr 2007 04:39:53 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,406,1170651600"; d="scan'208"; a="3114271:sNHT7244820" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:39:17 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Mailing Lists in the OPS area Thread-Index: Acd9pzhQm687EVF1RV2xvp6F3c5w/Q== From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:43:17 -0400 Cc: mib2rdml@ietf.org, nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, meta-model@ietf.org Subject: [META-MODEL] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area X-BeenThere: meta-model@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussions about a meta data model in the network management space List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: meta-model-bounces@ietf.org Following the OPS area meetings and mini-BOF sessions in Prague we have created two new mail lists:=20 meta-model@ietf.org - this list will focus on discussions about the need and requirements for a meta data model in the network management space and what the IETF should do on this respect mib2rdml@ietf.org - the list will discuss the need and requirements of converting MIB modules into resource models for the SOA/Web Services Management environment and work that should be done in the IETF in this field The two lists will create a framework for discussions and contributions for the respective subjects and will allow the operations and management community to debate the level of interest and what should be done respectively in the two fields. If you are interested please subscribe and participate.=20 Dan _______________________________________________ META-MODEL mailing list META-MODEL@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/meta-model From meta-model-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 04:43:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcHNG-00010K-71; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:43:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbyZt-0002Cr-5n for meta-model@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:39:05 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbyZr-0006Pr-VI for meta-model@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:39:05 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.105.51]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Apr 2007 08:39:02 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,401,1170651600"; d="scan'208"; a="2737311:sNHT5482440" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:38:22 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Testing, please ignore Thread-Index: Acd8/3R21YTAyob2QraHb+AK3m9rMA== From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:43:17 -0400 Subject: [META-MODEL] Testing, please ignore X-BeenThere: meta-model@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussions about a meta data model in the network management space List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: meta-model-bounces@ietf.org Testing, please ignore =20 _______________________________________________ META-MODEL mailing list META-MODEL@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/meta-model From meta-model-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 12:35:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcOk4-00015Z-Rh; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:35:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcOKB-00009Z-LK; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:08:35 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcOKA-0000gW-AW; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:08:35 -0400 Received: from harrington73653 (c-24-128-104-207.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.128.104.207]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070413160832m1400ina4ge>; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:08:33 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: <0e4d01c77de5$f198bc50$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acd9pzhQm687EVF1RV2xvp6F3c5w/QAPi1cw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:35:19 -0400 Cc: mib2rdml@ietf.org, nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, meta-model@ietf.org Subject: [META-MODEL] RE: [OPS-AREA] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area X-BeenThere: meta-model@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussions about a meta data model in the network management space List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: meta-model-bounces@ietf.org What does meta-modeling cover? dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:39 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Cc: mib2rdml@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de; meta-model@ietf.org > Subject: [OPS-AREA] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area > > Following the OPS area meetings and mini-BOF sessions in > Prague we have > created two new mail lists: > > meta-model@ietf.org - this list will focus on discussions > about the need > and requirements for a meta data model in the network management space > and what the IETF should do on this respect > > mib2rdml@ietf.org - the list will discuss the need and requirements of > converting MIB modules into resource models for the SOA/Web Services > Management environment and work that should be done in the > IETF in this > field > > The two lists will create a framework for discussions and > contributions > for the respective subjects and will allow the operations and > management > community to debate the level of interest and what should be done > respectively in the two fields. If you are interested please subscribe > and participate. > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ META-MODEL mailing list META-MODEL@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/meta-model From meta-model-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 12:39:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcOnf-0004a1-M2; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:39:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcOna-0004ZA-Pb; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:38:58 -0400 Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.100] helo=nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcOnZ-0006ge-H8; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:38:58 -0400 Received: from 51.105.64.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Apr 2007 12:38:56 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,408,1170651600"; d="scan'208"; a="3291489:sNHT7557786" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:38:20 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area Thread-Index: Acd9pzhQm687EVF1RV2xvp6F3c5w/QAPi1cwAAEdHiA= References: <0e4d01c77de5$f198bc50$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: "David Harrington" , X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: mib2rdml@ietf.org, nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, meta-model@ietf.org Subject: [META-MODEL] RE: [OPS-AREA] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area X-BeenThere: meta-model@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussions about a meta data model in the network management space List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: meta-model-bounces@ietf.org This is the follow-up to one of the mini-BOFs in Prague http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/slides/opsarea-4/sld1.htm.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net]=20 > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:08 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Cc: mib2rdml@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de; meta-model@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area >=20 > What does meta-modeling cover? >=20 > dbh=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:39 AM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Cc: mib2rdml@ietf.org; nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de; meta-model@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] New Mailing Lists in the OPS area > >=20 > > Following the OPS area meetings and mini-BOF sessions in Prague we=20 > > have created two new mail lists: > >=20 > > meta-model@ietf.org - this list will focus on discussions about the=20 > > need and requirements for a meta data model in the network=20 > management > space > > and what the IETF should do on this respect > >=20 > > mib2rdml@ietf.org - the list will discuss the need and requirements > of > > converting MIB modules into resource models for the SOA/Web=20 > Services=20 > > Management environment and work that should be done in the IETF in=20 > > this field > >=20 > > The two lists will create a framework for discussions and=20 > > contributions for the respective subjects and will allow the=20 > > operations and management community to debate the level of interest=20 > > and what should be done respectively in the two fields. 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( [137.208.224.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y37sm5490263iky.2007.04.13.11.04.37; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461FC612.5080606@wu-wien.ac.at> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:02 +0200 From: Michael Alexander User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ops-area@ietf.org, mib2rdml@ietf.org, nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, meta-model@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Cc: Subject: [META-MODEL] IETF68 Follow-Up: NE/Facilities/Lines/Protocols/Services Data Modeling X-BeenThere: meta-model@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussions about a meta data model in the network management space List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: meta-model-bounces@ietf.org In follow-up to the IETF 68 Mini-BOF on NE/Facilities/Lines/Protocols/Services Data Modeling: Effort Summary: =============== Modeling network of network elements (NE), facilities, lines, protocols and services for substantially easing development and operation of element manager systems (EMS), network management systems (NMS) and operations support systems (OSS). The framework is independent of the access method used, including SNMP, CLI, Netconf, Corba, CMIP, XML-RPC, etc.) It covers configuration, alarms, current-historical performance, accounting management and security. The frameworks builds on and reuses the existing base of MIBs. Effort Sub-Projects: ==================== - Namespaces - Object Model - Base Meta Model - Alarm Template Base Meta Model - Device/Line/Service/Protocol Class Meta Model - Device/Line/Service/Protocol Type Meta Model - Device/Line/Service/Protocol Model - MIB Transformation - Model Instances three devices, one line type, one protocol and one service. Draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-alexan-datamod-00.txt ppt: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/slides/opsarea-4/opsarea-4.ppt Next Steps: =========== This is a complex project which needs the cooperation of multiple foci in order to produce meta models and namespaces which very substantially decrease the burden of building EMS/NMS/OSSs and model protocols, devices etc. At this stage there has been a fair amount of interest for: - creating a base meta model (language) - and to a lesser extent an object model Skill that is in definite need is for: - Device Class Specialists: (IP-Router, ATM, SONET/SDH, IP PBX etc.) - Protocol Specialists: e.g. BGP, OSPF, SIP, MPLS - Service Specialists: eg. SIP IP Voice Provided the necessary skill comes together, and a structure is built that supports the required interaction for a layered modeling effort, a full BoF towards a Data Modeling WG at either at IETF69 or 70 would be targeted. FP7 Filing: =========== There has been substantial interest from many parties in the filing of this as an EU framework project 7 (FP7) project. The targeted filing budget sum would exceed EUR 8 Million. The number of participants would be >20, and can be from all over the world (NOT only the EU). Please send me an email if you or your organization is interested in participating. Please use the list meta-model@ietf.org for discussion. Best Regards, Dr. Michael Alexander WU Wien Dept. of Information Systems malexand@wu-wien.ac.at / +43.1.31336.4467 GSM +43.699.1228.3586 _______________________________________________ META-MODEL mailing list META-MODEL@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/meta-model