From nobody Fri Nov 1 09:15:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietf.org Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447F31208F9; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:15:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , mops-chairs@ietf.org, mops@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <157262492027.31826.17321294930855375024.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:15:20 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] WG Action: Formed Media OPerationS (mops) X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:15:20 -0000 A new IETF WG has been formed in the Operations and Management Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair. Media OPerationS (mops) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Leslie Daigle Assigned Area Director: Éric Vyncke Operations and Management Area Directors: Warren Kumari Ignas Bagdonas Technical advisors: Warren Kumari Mailing list: Address: mops@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/mops/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/mops/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-mops/ Internet-wide and within-domain IP-delivered media is widespread, leading to significant technology development across industries not traditionally thought of as Internet technology developers or operators, as well as considerable quantities of traffic on local and transit networks. The focus of MOPS is on identifying areas where existing protocols and/or networks are challenged by updated requirements. MOPS will solicit input on media-related operational issues and practices; existing and proposed technologies related to the deployment, engineering, and operation of media streaming and manipulation protocols and procedures in the global Internet (inter-domain) and within-domain networking. In the context of this working group, media is considered to include the transport of video, audio, objects and any combination thereof, possibly non-sequentially. The scope is media and media protocols’ interactions with the network, but not the technologies of control protocols or media formats. MOPS provides a venue for both video industry and Internet engineering experts to engage in discussion of video technology’s requirements of networking standards, as well as proposals for new uses of IP technology in video. Where new protocols are needed, MOPS will help identify candidate venues for their development. The goals of MOPS include documenting existing protocol and operational issues with media on the Internet, and identifying requirements for potential IETF work. The general process of elaboration through documentation will be for issues to be identified (on the mailing list) and presentations made at WG meetings. When topics merit more coherent documentation, MOPS will adopt working group documents to capture the information in Internet-Drafts. If the working group consensus is that the material of the Internet-Draft is generally useful for archival purposes, the WG will seek publication of the work items as RFCs. At any point — from early discussion of topics, through later documentation stages — MOPS may identify a more appropriate WG for the matter and/or document, and dispatch it. With that in mind, MOPS will: 1/ Solicit regular updates from other media technology developing consortia/standards bodies working with IETF-developed protocols. 2/ Solicit input from network operators and users to identify operational issues with media delivery in and across networks, and determine solutions or workarounds to those issues. 3/ Solicit discussion and documentation of the issues and opportunities in media acquisition and delivery, and of the resulting protocols and technologies developed outside the IETF. 4/ Document operational requirements for media acquisition (for example, from cameras and recording devices) and delivery. 5/ Develop operational information to aid in operation of media technologies in the global Internet. These activities should document media operational experience, including global Internet, inter-domain and within-domain operations. In all cases of working with other organizations mentioned above, MOPS will work with existing liaison managers where the IETF has them, and informal connections with other organizations otherwise. If new formal liaison relationships are required, MOPS will work with the IAB to help establish them. Media operational and deployment issues with specific protocols or technologies (such as Applications, Transport Protocols, Routing Protocols, DNS or Sub-IP Protocols) remain the responsibility of the groups or areas responsible for those protocols or technologies. However, the MOPS Working Group may provide input to those areas/groups, as needed, and cooperate with those areas/groups in reviewing solutions to MOPS operational and deployment problems. There must be a continuing expression of interest for the Working Group to work on a particular work item. If there is no longer sufficient interest in the Working Group in a work item, the item may be removed from the list of Working Group items. The IESG is establishing this working group on an experimental basis and intends to review it, for rechartering to continue or else closure, in 2 years. Milestones: Feb 2020 - Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming media Feb 2020 - Initial draft operational considerations for low latency streaming video applications Mar 2020 - Draft documenting Streaming Video Alliance (SVA) reliance on IETF protocols Mar 2020 - Draft documenting Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) protocol reliance on IETF protocols Jul 2020 - Last-call document on Streaming Video Alliance (SVA) reliance on IETF protocols (including explicit outreach to SVA) Jul 2020 - Last-call document on Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) protocol reliance on IETF protocols (including explicit outreach to SMPTE) Jul 2020 - Revised draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming media Jul 2020 - Revised draft operational considerations for low latency streaming video applications Nov 2020 - Last-call document on edge network considerations for streaming media Nov 2020 - Last-call document on operational considerations for low latency streaming video applications Nov 2020 - Develop work items specific to media acquisition and delivery Nov 2021 - IESG to decide whether continue, re-charter or close MOPS WG From nobody Mon Nov 4 13:49:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEF1120AC6 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=thinkingcat.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hEezObMaHk2n for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from crocodile.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (crocodile.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51FCE120AC5 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694D850113E; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-187-103.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.187.103]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C2E34500F9D; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:48:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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Please let me know if you have items you would like to present/discuss. =20 I=E2=80=99m happy to take suggestions for larger topics as well as smalle= r=20 =E2=80=9Clightning=E2=80=9D issues. Leslie. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_09925A1E-30E0-457D-9A7E-E4F1E09A9DF6_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Now that we are officially a WG and have an agenda slot f= or Singapore =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m putting together the draft agenda that= will be posted on Wednesday.

Please let me know if you have items you would like to pr= esent/discuss. I=E2=80=99m happy to take suggestions for larger topics a= s well as smaller =E2=80=9Clightning=E2=80=9D issues.

Leslie.

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Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Leslie. On 4 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Leslie Daigle wrote: > Hi, > > Now that we are officially a WG and have an agenda slot for Singapore=20 > =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m putting together the draft agenda that will be po= sted on=20 > Wednesday. > > Please let me know if you have items you would like to=20 > present/discuss. I=E2=80=99m happy to take suggestions for larger topi= cs as=20 > well as smaller =E2=80=9Clightning=E2=80=9D issues. > > Leslie. > > --=20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --=20 > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_C4D6844E-BB60-4B15-A03F-AD2059670B05_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi again,

The DRAFT agenda is posted:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106= /session/mops

Let me know if there are other items you would like to pr= esent/discuss.

Leslie.

On 4 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Leslie Daigle wrote:

Hi,

Now that we are officially a WG and have an agenda slot f= or Singapore =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99m putting together the draft agenda that= will be posted on Wednesday.

Please let me know if you have items you would like to pr= esent/discuss. I=E2=80=99m happy to take suggestions for larger topics a= s well as smaller =E2=80=9Clightning=E2=80=9D issues.

Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Thanks to all who=20 contributed to the lively discussion in the room and in the remote=20 participation. One key action: the hum in the room and in jabber supported formally=20 adopting Jake Holland=E2=80=99s document as a WG item. Jake would welcom= e a=20 co-author =E2=80=94 please let him, or me, know if you are interested. Thanks to Roni Even for taking notes; we=E2=80=99ll be polishing up minut= es=20 and circulating those in the coming days. In the meantime, you can see the rough notes here (please don=E2=80=99t e= dit=20 or change language in that page): https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-mops?useMonospaceFont=3Dtrue And, the brief summary that I posted in the OPS area wiki was: First meeting as a WG. Discussion of draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy (edge=20 network operational considerations for streaming media), and formal=20 adoption as a WG work item. Jake Holland would welcome a co-author to=20 help move it forward. Updates from elsewhere -- Streaming Video Alliance's use of CDNI=20 protocol work; Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers=20 (SMPTE) recent meeting highlights -- clear dependencies on reliable and=20 granular time reporting in operations. Issues for streaming operations -- overview of QUIC implications for=20 networks streaming video. There are extensions proposed in the QUIC WG,=20 and operators interested in media delivery should go there to weigh in. Thanks, Leslie. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_494FDDA0-7812-4C49-B4E0-D4202AFB5C12_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

MOPS had its first official WG meeting today. Thanks to = all who contributed to the lively discussion in the room and in the remot= e participation.

One key action: the hum in the room and in jabber suppor= ted formally adopting Jake Holland=E2=80=99s document as a WG item. Jake= would welcome a co-author =E2=80=94 please let him, or me, know if you a= re interested.

Thanks to Roni Even for taking notes; we=E2=80=99ll be po= lishing up minutes and circulating those in the coming days.

In the meantime, you can see the rough notes here (please= don=E2=80=99t edit or change language in that page):

https://etherpad.ietf.= org/p/notes-ietf-106-mops?useMonospaceFont=3Dtrue

And, the brief summary that I posted in the OPS area wiki= was:

First meeting as a WG. Discussion of draft-jholland-mops-= taxonomy (edge network operational considerations for streaming media), a= nd formal adoption as a WG work item. Jake Holland would welcome a co-aut= hor to help move it forward.

Updates from elsewhere -- Streaming Video Alliance's use = of CDNI protocol work; Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers= (SMPTE) recent meeting highlights -- clear dependencies on reliable and = granular time reporting in operations.

Issues for streaming operations -- overview of QUIC impli= cations for networks streaming video. There are extensions proposed in th= e QUIC WG, and operators interested in media delivery should go there to = weigh in.

Thanks,
Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Assumin= g=20 there are no objections, I will plan to post these on Tuesday, December=20 3, 2019. If there are errors or omissions, please let me know. Thanks, Leslie. MOPs November 21 2019 - First MOPs WG meeting ever! Alas, in conflict with TSVWG... Chairs: Leslie Daigle, Glenn Deen No comments on agenda bash Intro to WG Review of Concrete work itmes [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming=20 media - Jake Holland - draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy On milestone but not adopted Key question: how to calculate the demand vs capacity in a way that will=20 be useful for communicating today and archiving for posterity [] [Jake] there is a mismatch between the maximum [Martin Thompson] try to break to where the capacity is important=20 (last mile, core) [Dave Oran] is there a correlation between high demand and live=20 data. [Glenn Deen] perhaps produce two charts, one for on-demand file to=20 stream delivery and the other for live. different metrics are important,=20 latency, BW,.. [Jake] there is some trext about ABR in the document [Leslie Daigle] it seems there is interset in the content, need to=20 see if this is a WG asopt. Action [Leslie] are we in favor of adopting [Leslie] Some hum for adopting low hum against it. 3 for in the=20 jabber. [Aaron Falk] use known metrics. [Jake] will be happy to have co-authors. Hum taken to adopt the document - hum appeared to support adoption ### Updates from elsewhere * Updates from other organizations' work - [15min] Sanjay Mishra - Streaming Video Alliance Labs initiative slide 3 is the list of the technical WGs SVA labs open source slide 6 what they did so far in open caching [Leslie] did you provide feedback to the CDNI WG, not only brining=20 new work. [Sanjay] the WG chiar are aware of what is happening in SVA. [Aaron] the slide colors are bad no more comments and questions - [5min] Glenn Deen -- reflections from SMPTE 2019 Time synchronization is important [Roni Even]How to synchronize media from different sources e.g.=20 different cameras with gos clocks. How is the media sent over the IP=20 network and address the clock resolutions [Aaron] there is work in ITU on time solution. it is good if we can=20 capture in MOPS the use case [Dave] data centers have more precise time and should be taken into=20 account. use atomic clocks that are now cheap [Glenn] there is no one way for measuring or distributing time. [Aaron] what is the focus in Jake's draft, production ,...? [Leslie] on the edge side [Glenn] security and integrity of time distribution is important in=20 this space and maybe an new area of work/focus [Aaron] capturing SMPTE operational use cases and issues around time=20 in draft maybe useful ### General discussion of issues * Operational Issues Observed - [15min] Igor Lubashev -- QUIC and streaming how to measure delay and loss when the inforamtion is encryptes=20 (QUIC) [Spencer Dawkins] first time OPS WG discuss this topic and not in=20 Transport. Why using similar TCP flow is not enough [Igor] TCP and UDP applications getting different treatment. [Bernard Aboba] this assumes similar streaming applications, need=20 more detail to allow the network to support for example layered media Spin bit in QUIC V1; support for loss bits may be in a QUIC=20 extension. Need feedback from operators about the need for such montoring=20 tools, were not present in QUIC WG [Spencer] explict signalling does it involve the endpoint [Igor] yes. [Spencer] do not understand how you can measure without involving=20 the endpoints. This is a good direction, wish we started years ago [Igor] QUIC is new and scaled up the problem [Colin Perkins] there is a draft in tsvwg about the effects of=20 header encryptions, please review the part about the network managment [Sanjay] this is good, there was feedback from operators and will=20 continue to follow [Saker] how do you do without involving endpoints, there is work in=20 MOSQUE to add explicit signals using proxies [Emile Stephan] as operator require the monitoring of network, were=20 involved in spin bit and now working on loss bit. [Spencer] there was the plus BOF in Berlin talkin about providing=20 information to on path observers which could not form a WG. [Emile] do not provide the session keys to the observers. endpoint=20 support is important [Colin] in conferencing video there is the RTCP for reporting ftom=20 the Endpoint. using reports from endpoints can be helpful. General discusion of issues [Eric Vyncke, responsible AD] happy with the session AOB Thanks to Roni Even for taking notes during the session. High level summary as posted to Operations & Management wiki: First meeting as a WG. Discussion of draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy (edge=20 network operational considerations for streaming media), and formal=20 adoption as a WG work item. Jake Holland would welcome a co-author to=20 help move it forward. Updates from elsewhere -- Streaming Video Alliance's use of CDNI=20 protocol work; Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers=20 (SMPTE) recent meeting highlights -- clear dependencies on reliable and=20 granular time reporting in operations. Issues for streaming operations -- overview of QUIC implications for=20 networks streaming video. There are extensions proposed in the QUIC WG,=20 and operators interested in media delivery should go there to weigh in. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_7685AD23-25EF-4123-87A5-584B7030646A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I=E2=80=99ve copied the current state of the MOPS minutes= below. Assuming there are no objections, I will plan to post these on T= uesday, December 3, 2019.

If there are errors or omissions, please let me know.

=

Thanks,

Leslie.

MOPs November 21 2019 - First MOPs WG meeting ever!
Alas, in conflict with TSVWG...
Chairs: Leslie Daigle, Glenn Deen

No comments on agenda bash
Intro to WG

Review of Concrete work itmes
[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming me= dia
- Jake Holland
- draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy
On milestone but not adopted

Key question: how to calculate the demand vs capacity in = a way that will be useful for communicating today and archiving for poste= rity

[]
[Jake] there is a mismatch between the maximum
[Martin Thompson] try to break to where the capacity is important (las= t mile, core)
[Dave Oran] is there a correlation between high demand and live data.<= br> [Glenn Deen] perhaps produce two charts, one for on-demand file to str= eam delivery and the other for live. different metrics are important, lat= ency, BW,..
[Jake] there is some trext about ABR in the document
[Leslie Daigle] it seems there is interset in the content, need to see= if this is a WG asopt.

Action
[Leslie] are we in favor of adopting
[Leslie] Some hum for adopting low hum against it. 3 for in the jabber= =2E

[Aaron Falk] use known metrics.
[Jake] will be happy to have co-authors.

Hum taken to adopt the document - hum appeared to suppor= t adoption

Updates from elsewhere

  • Updates from other organizations' work

    • [15min] Sanjay Mishra - Streaming Video Alliance Labs initiative slide 3 is the list of the technical WGs = SVA labs open source slide 6 what they did so far in open caching

    [Leslie] did you provide feedback to the CDNI WG, not onl= y brining new work.
    [Sanjay] the WG chiar are aware of what is happening in SVA.
    [Aaron] the slide colors are bad

    no more comments and questions
    - [5min] Glenn Deen -- reflections from SMPTE 2019

    Time synchronization is important
    [Roni Even]How to synchronize media from different sources e.g. different= cameras with gos clocks. How is the media sent over the IP network and a= ddress the clock resolutions
    [Aaron] there is work in ITU on time solution. it is good if we can captu= re in MOPS the use case
    [Dave] data centers have more precise time and should be taken into accou= nt. use atomic clocks that are now cheap
    [Glenn] there is no one way for measuring or distributing time.
    [Aaron] what is the focus in Jake's draft, production ,...?
    [Leslie] on the edge side

    [Glenn] security and integrity of time distribution is im= portant in this space and maybe an new area of work/focus
    [Aaron] capturing SMPTE operational use cases and issues around time in d= raft maybe useful

General discussion of issues

  • Operational Issues Observed
    • [15min] Igor Lubashev -- QUIC and streaming how to measure delay and loss when the inforamtion is encryptes (QUIC) [Spencer Dawkins] first time OPS WG discuss this topic and not in Transpo= rt. Why using similar TCP flow is not enough [Igor] TCP and UDP applications getting different treatment. [Bernard Aboba] this assumes similar streaming applications, need more de= tail to allow the network to support for example layered media Spin bit in QUIC V1; support for loss bits may be in a QUIC extension. = Need feedback from operators about the need for such montoring tools, wer= e not present in QUIC WG [Spencer] explict signalling does it involve the endpoint [Igor] yes. [Spencer] do not understand how you can measure without involving the end= points. This is a good direction, wish we started years ago [Igor] QUIC is new and scaled up the problem [Colin Perkins] there is a draft in tsvwg about the effects of header enc= ryptions, please review the part about the network managment [Sanjay] this is good, there was feedback from operators and will continu= e to follow [Saker] how do you do without involving endpoints, there is work in MOSQU= E to add explicit signals using proxies [Emile Stephan] as operator require the monitoring of network, were invol= ved in spin bit and now working on loss bit. [Spencer] there was the plus BOF in Berlin talkin about providing informa= tion to on path observers which could not form a WG. [Emile] do not provide the session keys to the observers. endpoint suppor= t is important [Colin] in conferencing video there is the RTCP for reporting ftom the En= dpoint. using reports from endpoints can be helpful.

General discusion of issues

[Eric Vyncke, responsible AD] happy with the session

AOB

Thanks to Roni Even for taking notes during the session.<= /p>

High level summary as posted to Operations & Manageme= nt wiki:

First meeting as a WG. Discussion of draft-jholland-mops= -taxonomy (edge network operational considerations for streaming media), = and formal adoption as a WG work item. Jake Holland would welcome a co-a= uthor to help move it forward.

Updates from elsewhere -- Streaming Video Alliance's use = of CDNI protocol work; Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers= (SMPTE) recent meeting highlights -- clear dependencies on reliable and = granular time reporting in operations.

Issues for streaming operations -- overview of QUIC impli= cations for networks streaming video. There are extensions proposed in t= he QUIC WG, and operators interested in media delivery should go there to= weigh in.

--

Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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