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Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:26:58 -0500 From: "Holland, Jake" To: "mops@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons Thread-Index: AQHVzYU7wrbqhWOFsUaOH9B1EXfiWA== Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:26:58 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.21.0.200113 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.19.80.39] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2020-01-17_05:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1911140001 definitions=main-2001170171 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.572 definitions=2020-01-17_05:2020-01-16, 2020-01-17 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 clxscore=1011 impostorscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-1910280000 definitions=main-2001170172 Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 22:27:02 -0000 SGkgTW9wcywNCg0KSSdtIGZpbmFsbHkgd3JpdGluZyB0byBmb2xsb3cgdXAgb24gZHJhZnQtamhv bGxhbmQtbW9wcy10YXhvbm9teS4NCg0KSSBkaWQgYSBxdWljayByZXZpZXcgb2YgdGhlIHZpZGVv IGZyb20gdGhlIElFVEYgMTA2IG1vcHMgbWVldGluZzoNCmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29t L3dhdGNoP3Y9NF9rMzQweFQyak0NCg0KSSBjYXB0dXJlZCB0aGUgY29tbWVudHMgSSBoZWFyZCBp biBhIG5ldyBub3RlcyBzZWN0aW9uIGFuZA0KdXBkYXRlZCB0aGUgZHJhZnQgdG8gLTAxLCBwbHVz IGEgZmV3IHZlcnkgbWlub3IgZWRpdGluZyB0d2Vha3MuDQpJIHdhcyBnb2luZyB0byByZW5hbWUg aXQgdG8gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1tb3BzLXN0cmVhbWluZy1vcGNvbnMsIGJ1dA0KSSB0aG91Z2h0IEkn ZCB3YWl0IHVudGlsIGFmdGVyIHRoZSBhZG9wdGlvbiBjYWxsLCB0byBtYWtlIHN1cmUgaXQncw0K Y29uZmlybWVkIG9uLWxpc3QuICAoSSB0aGluayB0aGUgZGF0YSB0cmFja2VyIGlzIGVhc2llciB0 byB1c2Ugd2hlbg0KeW91IGNoYW5nZSBuYW1lcyBsZXNzIG9mdGVuLi4uKQ0KaHR0cHM6Ly90b29s cy5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sL2RyYWZ0LWpob2xsYW5kLW1vcHMtdGF4b25vbXktMDENCg0KSSBhbHNv IHdhbnRlZCB0byBzYXkgdGhhbmtzIHRvIHRoZSBmb2xrcyB3aG8gdm9sdW50ZWVyZWQgdG8gY28t YXV0aG9yDQp0aGlzIGRyYWZ0LiAgWW91IDMgYXJlIEJDQydkLCBhbmQgeW91ciBjb250cmlidXRp b25zIGFyZSB2ZXJ5IHdlbGNvbWUuDQoNCkkgYWxzbyB3YW50ZWQgdG8gYXNrIHdoZXRoZXIgdGhl cmUncyBhbnkgcGFydGljdWxhciB0b3BpY3MgeW91J2xsIGJlDQp3b3JraW5nIG9uLCBzbyB3ZSBk b24ndCBnZXQgbXVsdGlwbGUgcGVvcGxlIHdyaXRpbmcgdG8gdGhlIHNhbWUgcG9pbnRzPw0KDQpS ZWdhcmRsZXNzLCBmb3IgdGhlIG1vbWVudCB0aGUgY3VycmVudCB2ZXJzaW9uIGlzIGhlcmUgYW5k IEknbQ0KYWNjZXB0aW5nIHB1bGwgcmVxdWVzdHMgOikgOg0KaHR0cHM6Ly9naXRodWIuY29tL0dy dW1weU9sZFRyb2xsL2lldGYtbW9wcy1kcmFmdHMNCg0KQXNzdW1pbmcgdGhlIGFkb3B0aW9uIGNh bGwgc3RhcnRzIHNvb24gYW5kIGlzIHN1Y2Nlc3NmdWwsIHdlIG1heWJlDQpzaG91bGQgbW92ZSB0 byBhIFdHLW93bmVkIHJlcG8sIGJ1dCB0aGF0J3Mgd2hlcmUgaXQgaXMgZm9yIG5vdy4NCg0KVGhh bmtzIGFuZCByZWdhcmRzLA0KSmFrZQ0KDQoNCg== From nobody Sat Jan 18 22:25:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3AB120044 for ; 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Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:24:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 00:24:46 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Holland, Jake" Cc: mops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eb0642059c783b96" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mops] draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 06:25:06 -0000 --000000000000eb0642059c783b96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Jake, On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 16:27 Holland, Jake wrote: > Hi Mops, > > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. > > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_k340xT2jM > > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. > > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? > I plan to work on path asymmetry. Best, Spencer Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts > > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. > > Thanks and regards, > Jake > > > --000000000000eb0642059c783b96 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Jake,

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 16:27 Holland, Jake <= ;jholland@akamai.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2j= M

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list.=C2=A0 (I think the data tracker is easier to use when you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author
this draft.=C2=A0 You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welc= ome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll b= e
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

= I plan to work on path asymmetry.

Best,

Spencer<= /div>

Regardless, for the moment the current ve= rsion is here and I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-= mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake


--000000000000eb0642059c783b96-- From nobody Sun Jan 19 23:38:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE541200B3 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:38:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6pnSrdqntvgj for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC273120025 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 157E9F58E33D9E8DBC46 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:38:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMM423-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.40) by LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:38:01 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.143]) by dggemm423-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:37:58 +0800 From: "Roni Even (A)" To: "Holland, Jake" , "mops@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons Thread-Index: AQHVzYU7wrbqhWOFsUaOH9B1EXfiWKfzLbkA Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:37:58 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD27D62269@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.203.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mops] draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:38:10 -0000 Hi Jake, These are the bw recommendations from Netflix https://help.netflix.com/en/= node/306 Roni > -----Original Message----- > From: Mops [mailto:mops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Holland, Jake > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 12:27 AM > To: mops@ietf.org > Subject: [Mops] draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons >=20 > Hi Mops, >=20 > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >=20 > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >=20 > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and updated the > draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but I thoug= ht > I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's confirmed on-li= st. (I > think the data tracker is easier to use when you change names less often.= ..) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >=20 > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author thi= s > draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. >=20 > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be work= ing > on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? >=20 > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm accepting = pull > requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >=20 > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe should > move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >=20 > Thanks and regards, > Jake >=20 >=20 > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops From nobody Tue Jan 21 11:45:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A11120047 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=thinkingcat.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u9VCPpg2IUBE for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bird.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (bird.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A94CF12003F for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABDA3C1837; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-4-61.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.4.61]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 80F5F3C180B; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:45:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a1.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with comm= ents. We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item,=20 and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and now= . If anyone _objects_ to adoption of the document=20 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please=20 share your objection now. If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we=20 will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons . Thanks, Leslie. On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: > Hi Mops, > > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. > > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM > > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. > > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same=20 > points? > > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts > > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. > > Thanks and regards, > Jake > > > --=20 > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_8A03545D-8258-4C98-9167-834A3E797040_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from th= e IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chim= ing in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this o= n as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the l= ist here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (<= a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01" st= yle=3D"color:#3983C4">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-tax= onomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of Janua= ry 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opc= ons .

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-t= axonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops = meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section an= d
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxon= omy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered = to co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topic= s you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here an= d I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful,= we maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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[213.192.13.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n187sm3940980wme.28.2020.01.22.04.27.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jan 2020 04:27:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FC8B8E97-227A-402B-AED7-2E487A60C1C7 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Michal Krsek X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16G140) In-Reply-To: <3A53CF4A-AEC8-4D44-BC5D-A02B7DB6E0AC@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:27:34 +0100 Cc: Leslie Daigle , Kyle Rose , "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <3A53CF4A-AEC8-4D44-BC5D-A02B7DB6E0AC@cisco.com> To: "mops@ietf.org" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 12:27:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail-FC8B8E97-227A-402B-AED7-2E487A60C1C7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption M > On 22 Jan 2020, at 12:58, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:= >=20 > Let=E2=80=99s also show the support for adopting this document on the MOPS= WG mailing: sending a simple =E2=80=98I support the adoption=E2=80=99 is en= ough and I am sure that Jake will appreciate > =20 > Regards > =20 > -=C3=A9ric > =20 > =20 > From: Mops on behalf of Leslie Daigle > Date: Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45 > To: "mops@ietf.org" > Cc: Kyle Rose > Subject: [Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: draft-ietf-mops-streamin= g-opcons > =20 > Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOPS m= eeting. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with comme= nts. >=20 > We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item, a= nd I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and now. >=20 > If anyone objects to adoption of the document (https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now. >=20 > If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we w= ill adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons . >=20 > Thanks, > Leslie. >=20 > On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: >=20 > Hi Mops, >=20 > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >=20 > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >=20 > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >=20 > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. >=20 > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? >=20 > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >=20 > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >=20 > Thanks and regards, > Jake >=20 > --=20 > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >=20 > -- >=20 > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >=20 > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >=20 > --=20 > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops --Apple-Mail-FC8B8E97-227A-402B-AED7-2E487A60C1C7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I s= upport the adoption

M
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On 22 Jan 2020, at 12:58, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:

Let=E2=80=99s also show the supp= ort for adopting this document on the MOPS WG mailing: sending a simple =E2=80= =98I support the adoption=E2=80=99 is enough and I am sure that Jake will ap= preciate

 

Regards

 

-=C3=A9ric

=

 

 

 

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF= 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in= with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a= WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here a= nd now.

If anyone objects<= /em> to adoption of the document (https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31,= 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons .

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jhollan= d-mops-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 1= 06 mops meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes se= ction and
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-ta= xonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volu= nteered to co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particul= ar topics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is= here and I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is suc= cessful, we maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

--
Mops mailing list
Mops@ietf.org=
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops

--

Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:00:25 -0000 --00000000000062a188059cba1b56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking as a participant, I also support adoption. On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:50 AM Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) < Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com> wrote: > I support adoption. > > On Jan 22, 2020, at 3:58 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) > wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > Let=E2=80=99s also show the support for adopting this document on the MOP= S WG > mailing: sending a simple =E2=80=98I support the adoption=E2=80=99 is eno= ugh and I am sure > that Jake will appreciate > > > > Regards > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > > > *From: *Mops on behalf of Leslie Daigle < > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45 > *To: *"mops@ietf.org" > *Cc: *Kyle Rose > *Subject: *[Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: > draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons > > > > Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOPS > meeting. > > I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with comm= ents. > > We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item, > and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and now= . > > If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > ), > please share your objection now. > > If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we > will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons . > > Thanks, > Leslie. > > On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: > > Hi Mops, > > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. > > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM > > > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > > > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. > > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? > > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts > > > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. > > Thanks and regards, > Jake > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops__;= !!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!5l7EKvZOmJ-SRPvnQHW75y8wp4cE2L_IAQe1mfeDwf15HNT3xxgZiaYXxL= qkC9b2$ > > --00000000000062a188059cba1b56 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking as a participant, I also support adoption.
=
On Wed= , Jan 22, 2020, 7:50 AM Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com> wrote:
I support adoption.

On Jan 22, 2020, at 3:58 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke= ) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Let=E2=80=99s also show the sup= port for adopting this document on the MOPS WG mailing: sending a simple = =E2=80=98I support the adoption=E2=80=99 is enough and I am sure that Jake = will appreciate

=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Mops <mops-bo= unces@ietf.org> on behalf of Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinking= cat.com>
Date: Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45
To: "mops@ietf.org" <mops@ietf.org>
Cc: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Subject: [Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: draft-ietf-mops-st= reaming-opcons

=C2=A0

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IE= TF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming = in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as= a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list he= re and now.

If anyone objects= to adoption of the document (https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 3= 1, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons .<= u>

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:<= /span>

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-j= holland-mops-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF= 106 mops meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes = section and
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-= taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who vo= lunteered to co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's any pa= rticular topics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version = is here and I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is s= uccessful, we maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.<= u>

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@= thinkingcat.com

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This draft is certainly ready for the working group to work on it. Best, Spencer > > > Regards > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > > > *From: *Mops on behalf of Leslie Daigle < > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45 > *To: *"mops@ietf.org" > *Cc: *Kyle Rose > *Subject: *[Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: > draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons > > > > Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOPS > meeting. > > I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with comm= ents. > > We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item, > and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and now= . > > If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please > share your objection now. > > If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we > will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons . > > Thanks, > Leslie. > > On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: > > Hi Mops, > > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. > > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM > > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. > > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? > > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts > > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. > > Thanks and regards, > Jake > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > --000000000000c46d33059cba1e65 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 5:58 AM Eric = Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com= > wrote:

Let=E2=80=99s also show the sup= port for adopting this document on the MOPS WG mailing: sending a simple = =E2=80=98I support the adoption=E2=80=99 is enough and I am sure that Jake = will appreciate


I su= pport adoption. This draft is certainly ready for the working group to work= on it.

Best,

Spencer
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=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric=

=C2=A0

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From: Mops <mops-bounces@ietf.org>= ; on behalf of Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
Date: Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45
To: "mops@ie= tf.org" <mop= s@ietf.org>
Cc: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Subject: [Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: draft-ietf-mops-st= reaming-opcons

=C2=A0

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF= 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in= with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a= WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here= and now.

If anyone objects= to adoption of the document (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31,= 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons .=

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on = draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from t= he IETF 106 mops meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4= _k340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new= notes section and
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks= who volunteered to co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's= any particular topics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current v= ersion is here and I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTr= oll/ietf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon a= nd is successful, we maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.<= u>

Thanks and regards,
Jake

--
Mops mailing list
Mops@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/= mops

--

Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com=

--
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops
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adoption. Thanks for writing this up and presenting it to the group Lucas On Wed, 22 Jan 2020, 17:44 Davis, Scott, wrote: > I support the adoption of the document. It is a reasonable beginning > > > > S > > > > Scott M Davis > > Technology, Media, and Innovation > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Mops on behalf of Leslie Daigle < > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45 > *To: *"mops@ietf.org" > *Cc: *Kyle Rose > *Subject: *[Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: > draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons > > > > Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOPS > meeting. > > I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with comm= ents. > > We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item, > and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and now= . > > If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please > share your objection now. > > If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we > will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons . > > Thanks, > Leslie. > > On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: > > Hi Mops, > > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. > > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM > > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. > > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? > > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts > > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. > > Thanks and regards, > Jake > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > The contents of this e-mail message and > any attachments are intended solely for the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential > and/or legally privileged information. 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I support adoption. Thanks for writing this up and presen= ting it to the group

Lucas

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020, 17:44 Davis, Scott, <Scott.Davis1@charter.com> wrote:

I support the adoption of the document. It is a reas= onable beginning

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Scott M Davis

Technology, Media, and Innovation

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From: Mops <= mops-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com= >
Date: Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 20:45
To: "mops@ietf.org" <mops@ietf.org>
Cc: Kyle Rose <krose@krose= .org>
Subject: [Mops] Confirming adoption consensus Re: draft-ietf-mops-st= reaming-opcons

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Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF= 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in= with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a= WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here= and now.

If anyone objects= to adoption of the document (htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31,= 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons .=

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jho= lland-mops-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 1= 06 mops meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM= =

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes se= ction and
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jhol= land-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volu= nteered to co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's any part= icular topics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is= here and I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-dra= fts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is suc= cessful, we maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.<= u>

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Hi Jake

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:27 AM Holland, Jake= <jholland@akamai.com> wro= te:
Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list.=C2=A0 (I think the data tracker is easier to use when you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jhollan= d-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author
this draft.=C2=A0 You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welc= ome.

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll b= e
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

I think opening issues will help with = this. people can assign the topics to themselves. I already opened 3 issues= and still have a number of them to open.
=C2=A0
=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts=

I submitted the first request.

-acbegen
--000000000000f295f0059cf75a40-- From nobody Wed Jan 29 11:39:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietf.org Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BD212002E; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:39:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: mops-chairs@ietf.org, ldaigle@thinkingcat.com, mops@ietf.org, evyncke@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158032678727.2839.18423472303776580057.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:39:47 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] mops - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:39:47 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Leslie Daigle, a Chair of the mops working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Media OPerationS Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Leslie Daigle Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: Technology Overlap: quic cdni mboned pim mmusic httpbis doh taps dnssd hip homenet dprive Key Participant Conflict: tsvwg People who must be present: Eric Vyncke Leslie Daigle Kyle Rose Resources Requested: Special Requests: Additionally, we want to avoid APN if it gets scheduled. 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We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key conflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80= =99re a=20 potential conflict for a lot of groups, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be pati= ent=20 with how things work out in scheduling. The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are a couple more=20 areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the agenda, but=20 now would be a great time to float any particular issues you think would=20 merit discussion time on the agenda, and let us know. We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video delivered with=20 QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport and=20 application handling of video in development? Leslie. DRAFT Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG IETF 107 (Vancouver) DRAFT Agenda Intro Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, [10min] chair(s) Review of concrete work items: [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming=20 media Jake Holland draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons Updates from elsewhere Updates from other work [15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG [5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE [10min] 5G and video General discussion of issues Operational Issues Observed Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain=20 multicast for video --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_FFB31E11-3740-4254-9257-57578A3C974F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re plann= ing to meet in Vancouver at IETF 107. We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the ke= y conflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99re a potential conflict for a lot of= groups, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with how things work out in= scheduling.

The draft agenda below is still a little light. There ar= e a couple more areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on th= e agenda, but now would be a great time to float any particular issues yo= u think would merit discussion time on the agenda, and let us know.

We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video= delivered with QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transpo= rt and application handling of video in development?

Leslie.

DRAFT

Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG

IETF 107 (Vancouver)
<Date =E2=80=94 TBD>
<Location =E2=80=94 TBD>
DRAFT Agenda

Intro

Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,
[10min] chair(s)

Review of concrete work items:

[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations = for streaming media
Jake Holland
draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons

Updates from elsewhere

Updates from other work
[15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG
[5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE
[10min] 5G and video <TBC>

General discussion of issues

Operational Issues Observed
Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain mul= ticast for video <TBC>
<looking for suggestions>

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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, X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:25:49 -0000 --000000000000a2ff34059d62198d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of the draft. Matt On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle wrote: > Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOPS > meeting. > > I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with comm= ents. > > We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item, > and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and now= . > > If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please > share your objection now. > > If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we > will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons . > > Thanks, > Leslie. > > On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: > > Hi Mops, > > I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. > > I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM > > I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and > updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. > I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but > I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's > confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when > you change names less often...) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 > > I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author > this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. > > I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be > working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? > > Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm > accepting pull requests :) : > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts > > Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe > should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. > > Thanks and regards, > Jake > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > --=20 [image: Limelight Networks] Matt Stock* Principal Architect* EXPERIENCE FIRST. +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> www.limelight.com [image: Facebook] [image: LinkedIn] [image: Twitter] --000000000000a2ff34059d62198d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support the adoption of the draft.

Ma= tt


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> wr= ote:

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the = IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chimin= g in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on = as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list = here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January= 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons = .

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops= -taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops me= eting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340x= T2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and<= br> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to= co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.<= /p>

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular top= ics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and = I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ie= tf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, w= e maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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Thanks, Spencer On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock wrote: > I support the adoption of the draft. > > Matt > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle > wrote: > >> Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOPS >> meeting. >> >> I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with com= ments. >> >> We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item, >> and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and no= w. >> >> If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please >> share your objection now. >> >> If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, we >> will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons .. >> >> Thanks, >> Leslie. >> >> On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: >> >> Hi Mops, >> >> I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >> >> I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >> >> I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and >> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. >> I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but >> I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's >> confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when >> you change names less often...) >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >> >> I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author >> this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. >> >> I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be >> working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? >> >> Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm >> accepting pull requests :) : >> https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >> >> Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe >> should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> Jake >> >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> >> -- >> ------------------------------ >> >> Leslie Daigle >> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > > > -- > [image: Limelight Networks] > Matt Stock* Principal Architect* > EXPERIENCE FIRST. > +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> > www.limelight.com > [image: Facebook] [image: > LinkedIn] [image: > Twitter] > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > --000000000000cb008b059d627528 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since we seem to be getting "support" e-mail and= the 31st is tomorrow, is it too early to ask if the working group will hav= e its own repository for working group drafts?

Thanks,

Spencer

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt S= tock <mstock@llnw.com> wrote:<= br>
I support the adoption of the draft.

Matt

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> = wrote:

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the = IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chimin= g in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on = as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list = here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January= 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons = ..

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops= -taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops me= eting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340x= T2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and<= br> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to= co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.<= /p>

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular top= ics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and = I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ie= tf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, w= e maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

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As an example, many years back the Alt-Svc header [ https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838] was developed, and there seems to be some patchwork adoption across the ecosystem. In the context of live or live linear delivery, it could be a useful tool for traffic shifting, and additional testing and engagement with implementers would be valuable. There may be similar topics around HTTP/3 or QUIC. Matt On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Leslie Daigle wrote: > Hi, > > As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re planning to meet in V= ancouver at IETF 107. > We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key conflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99re= a potential > conflict for a lot of groups, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with h= ow things > work out in scheduling. > > The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are a couple more > areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the agenda, but no= w > would be a great time to float any particular issues you think would meri= t > discussion time on the agenda, and let us know. > > We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video delivered with > QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport and applicatio= n > handling of video in development? > > Leslie. > > DRAFT > > Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG > > IETF 107 (Vancouver) > > > DRAFT Agenda > > Intro > > Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, > [10min] chair(s) > > Review of concrete work items: > > [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming > media > Jake Holland > draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons > > Updates from elsewhere > > Updates from other work > [15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG > [5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE > [10min] 5G and video > > General discussion of issues > > Operational Issues Observed > Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain mul= ticast > for video > > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > --=20 [image: Limelight Networks] Matt Stock* Principal Architect* EXPERIENCE FIRST. +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> www.limelight.com [image: Facebook] [image: LinkedIn] [image: Twitter] --0000000000007c1443059d728a3f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would there be interest in a discussion of specific delive= ry challenges and work that has been done/is in progress in other WGs that = could help address them?=C2=A0 As an example, many years back the Alt-Svc h= eader [https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/rfc7838] was developed, and there seems to be some patchwork ad= option across the ecosystem.=C2=A0 In the context of live or live linear de= livery, it could be a useful tool for traffic shifting, and additional test= ing and engagement with implementers would be valuable.=C2=A0 There may be = similar topics around HTTP/3 or QUIC.

Matt

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> = wrote:

Hi,

As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re plannin= g to meet in Vancouver at IETF 107. We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key co= nflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99re a potential conflict for a lot of group= s, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with how things work out in schedul= ing.

The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are = a couple more areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the ag= enda, but now would be a great time to float any particular issues you thin= k would merit discussion time on the agenda, and let us know.

We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video d= elivered with QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport a= nd application handling of video in development?

Leslie.

DRAFT

Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG

IETF 107 (Vancouver)
<Date =E2=80=94 TBD>
<Location =E2=80=94 TBD>
DRAFT Agenda

Intro

Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,
[10min] chair(s)

Review of concrete work items:

[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations fo= r streaming media
Jake Holland
draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons

Updates from elsewhere

Updates from other work
[15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG
[5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE
[10min] 5G and video <TBC>

General discussion of issues

Operational Issues Observed
Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain multi= cast for video <TBC>
<looking for suggestions>

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This has identified a few corner cases and possible issues or concerns. I created a thread about this on the HTTP WG mailing list [1] mainly framed on seeing if a BCP would make sense. Widening the discussion to include people is something I'm interested in. Cheers Lucas [1] - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2019OctDec/0184.htm= l On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 17:02 Matt Stock, wrote: > Would there be interest in a discussion of specific delivery challenges > and work that has been done/is in progress in other WGs that could help > address them? As an example, many years back the Alt-Svc header [ > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838] was developed, and there seems to be > some patchwork adoption across the ecosystem. In the context of live or > live linear delivery, it could be a useful tool for traffic shifting, and > additional testing and engagement with implementers would be valuable. > There may be similar topics around HTTP/3 or QUIC. > > Matt > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Leslie Daigle > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re planning to meet in = Vancouver at IETF 107. >> We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key conflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99r= e a potential >> conflict for a lot of groups, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with = how things >> work out in scheduling. >> >> The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are a couple more >> areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the agenda, but n= ow >> would be a great time to float any particular issues you think would mer= it >> discussion time on the agenda, and let us know. >> >> We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video delivered with >> QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport and applicati= on >> handling of video in development? >> >> Leslie. >> >> DRAFT >> >> Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG >> >> IETF 107 (Vancouver) >> >> >> DRAFT Agenda >> >> Intro >> >> Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, >> [10min] chair(s) >> >> Review of concrete work items: >> >> [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming >> media >> Jake Holland >> draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons >> >> Updates from elsewhere >> >> Updates from other work >> [15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG >> [5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE >> [10min] 5G and video >> >> General discussion of issues >> >> Operational Issues Observed >> Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain mu= lticast >> for video >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------ >> >> Leslie Daigle >> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > > > -- > [image: Limelight Networks] > Matt Stock* Principal Architect* > EXPERIENCE FIRST. > +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> > www.limelight.com > [image: Facebook] [image: > LinkedIn] [image: > Twitter] > > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > --000000000000a1dc9f059d72e4d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Matt,

On the topic of Alt-Svc, in the QUIC WG we have been using Alt-Svc for H= TTP/3 protocol switching and fallback. This has identified a few corner cas= es and possible issues or concerns. I created a thread about this on the HT= TP WG mailing list [1] mainly framed on seeing if a BCP would make sense.

Widening the discussion t= o include people is something I'm interested in.

Cheers
Lucas





On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 17:02 Ma= tt Stock, <mstock@llnw.com> wr= ote:
Would there b= e interest in a discussion of specific delivery challenges and work that ha= s been done/is in progress in other WGs that could help address them?=C2=A0= As an example, many years back the Alt-Svc header [https://tools= .ietf.org/html/rfc7838] was developed, and there seems to be some patch= work adoption across the ecosystem.=C2=A0 In the context of live or live li= near delivery, it could be a useful tool for traffic shifting, and addition= al testing and engagement with implementers would be valuable.=C2=A0 There = may be similar topics around HTTP/3 or QUIC.

Matt
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Leslie Daigle <ld= aigle@thinkingcat.com> wrote:

Hi,

As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re plannin= g to meet in Vancouver at IETF 107. We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key co= nflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99re a potential conflict for a lot of group= s, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with how things work out in schedul= ing.

The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are = a couple more areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the ag= enda, but now would be a great time to float any particular issues you thin= k would merit discussion time on the agenda, and let us know.

We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video d= elivered with QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport a= nd application handling of video in development?

Leslie.

DRAFT

Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG

IETF 107 (Vancouver)
<Date =E2=80=94 TBD>
<Location =E2=80=94 TBD>
DRAFT Agenda

Intro

Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,
[10min] chair(s)

Review of concrete work items:

[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations fo= r streaming media
Jake Holland
draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons

Updates from elsewhere

Updates from other work
[15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG
[5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE
[10min] 5G and video <TBC>

General discussion of issues

Operational Issues Observed
Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain multi= cast for video <TBC>
<looking for suggestions>

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IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub for docs in this=20 WG, we should. Kyle? There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & Ali=E2=80=99s use s= o=20 far, but I, at least, would like to hear from others to know whether the=20 interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the authors of=20 that particular document? Leslie. On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > Since we seem to be getting "support" e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow,=20 > is > it too early to ask if the working group will have its own repository=20 > for > working group drafts? > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock wrote: > >> I support the adoption of the draft. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle=20 >> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106=20 >>> MOPS >>> meeting. >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with=20 >>> comments. >>> >>> We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG=20 >>> item, >>> and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and= now. >>> >>> If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please >>> share your objection now. >>> >>> If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31,=20 >>> 2020, we >>> will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons .. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Leslie. >>> >>> On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mops, >>> >>> I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >>> >>> I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >>> >>> I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and >>> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. >>> I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but >>> I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's >>> confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when >>> you change names less often...) >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >>> >>> I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to=20 >>> co-author >>> this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very=20 >>> welcome. >>> >>> I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be >>> working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same=20 >>> points? >>> >>> Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm >>> accepting pull requests :) : >>> https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >>> >>> Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe >>> should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> Jake >>> >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Leslie Daigle >>> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >>> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >> >> >> -- >> [image: Limelight Networks] >> Matt Stock* Principal Architect* >> EXPERIENCE FIRST. >> +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> >> www.limelight.com >> [image: Facebook] [image: >> LinkedIn]=20 >> [image: >> Twitter] >> >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > --=20 > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_9B1D6F2F-6C68-4E0A-B069-7374CDFF5E45_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That=E2=80=99s a fair question.

IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub f= or docs in this WG, we should. Kyle?

There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake &= Ali=E2=80=99s use so far, but I, at least, would like to hear from other= s to know whether the interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyo= nd the authors of that particular document?

Leslie.

On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:<= /p>

Since we seem to be getting "support" e-mail and= the 31st is tomorrow, is it too early to ask if the working group will h= ave its own repository for working group drafts?

Thank= s,

Spencer

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 P= M Matt Stock <mstock@llnw.com&g= t; wrote:
I support the adoption of the draft.

Ma= tt


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle &l= t;ldaigle@th= inkingcat.com> wrote:

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from th= e IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chim= ing in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this o= n as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the l= ist here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (<= a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01" st= yle=3D"color:rgb(57,131,196)" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.=

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of Janua= ry 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opc= ons ...

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mo= ps-taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops = meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k= 340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section an= d
updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it'= ;s
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/= html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered = to co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome= =2E

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular t= opics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same point= s?

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here an= d I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTrol= l/ietf-mops-drafts

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Kyle On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 12:34 PM Leslie Daigle wrote: > That=E2=80=99s a fair question. > > IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub for docs in this > WG, we should. Kyle? > > There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & Ali=E2=80=99s use s= o far, > but I, at least, would like to hear from others to know whether the > interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the authors of that > particular document? > > Leslie. > > On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > > Since we seem to be getting "support" e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow, is > it too early to ask if the working group will have its own repository for > working group drafts? > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock wrote: > >> I support the adoption of the draft. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOP= S >>> meeting. >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with co= mments. >>> >>> We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item= , >>> and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and n= ow. >>> >>> If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please >>> share your objection now. >>> >>> If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, w= e >>> will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons ... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Leslie. >>> >>> On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mops, >>> >>> I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >>> >>> I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >>> >>> I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and >>> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. >>> I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but >>> I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's >>> confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when >>> you change names less often...) >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >>> >>> I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author >>> this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. >>> >>> I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be >>> working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? >>> >>> Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm >>> accepting pull requests :) : >>> https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >>> >>> Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe >>> should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> Jake >>> >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Leslie Daigle >>> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >>> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >> >> >> -- >> [image: Limelight Networks] >> Matt Stock* Principal Architect* >> EXPERIENCE FIRST. >> +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> >> www.limelight.com >> [image: Facebook] [image: >> LinkedIn] [image: >> Twitter] >> >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > --0000000000001f6870059d73094e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Absolutely in support: GitHub workflows for collabora= tion have been a resounding success in both QUIC and TAPS, and probably oth= er groups.

Kyle

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1= 2:34 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigl= e@thinkingcat.com> wrote:

That=E2=80=99s a fair question.

IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub for= docs in this WG, we should. Kyle?

There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & A= li=E2=80=99s use so far, but I, at least, would like to hear from others to= know whether the interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the= authors of that particular document?

Leslie.

On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:

Since we see= m to be getting "support" e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow, is it = too early to ask if the working group will have its own repository for work= ing group drafts?

Thanks,

Spenc= er

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock <mstock@llnw.com> wrote:
I support = the adoption of the draft.

Matt


On T= ue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> wrote:
<= /div>

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the = IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chimin= g in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on = as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list = here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January= 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons = ...

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops= -taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops me= eting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340x= T2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and<= br> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to= co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.<= /p>

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular top= ics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and = I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ie= tf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, w= e maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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I would welcome it in this case, it improves the likelihood that I will participate in reviewing the documents. On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 17:34 Leslie Daigle, wrote: > That=E2=80=99s a fair question. > > IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub for docs in this > WG, we should. Kyle? > > There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & Ali=E2=80=99s use s= o far, > but I, at least, would like to hear from others to know whether the > interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the authors of that > particular document? > > Leslie. > > On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > > Since we seem to be getting "support" e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow, is > it too early to ask if the working group will have its own repository for > working group drafts? > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock wrote: > >> I support the adoption of the draft. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOP= S >>> meeting. >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with co= mments. >>> >>> We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item= , >>> and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and n= ow. >>> >>> If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please >>> share your objection now. >>> >>> If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, w= e >>> will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons ... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Leslie. >>> >>> On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mops, >>> >>> I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >>> >>> I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >>> >>> I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and >>> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. >>> I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but >>> I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's >>> confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when >>> you change names less often...) >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >>> >>> I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author >>> this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. >>> >>> I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be >>> working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? >>> >>> Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm >>> accepting pull requests :) : >>> https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >>> >>> Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe >>> should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> Jake >>> >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Leslie Daigle >>> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >>> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >> >> >> -- >> [image: Limelight Networks] >> Matt Stock* Principal Architect* >> EXPERIENCE FIRST. >> +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> >> www.limelight.com >> [image: Facebook] [image: >> LinkedIn] [image: >> Twitter] >> >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > --00000000000074b12a059d730ab2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've used a Github workflow extensively for the last = 4 years or more. I would welcome it in this case, it improves the likelihoo= d that I will participate in reviewing the documents.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2020,= 17:34 Leslie Daigle, <ldaigl= e@thinkingcat.com> wrote:

That=E2=80=99s a fair question.

IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub for= docs in this WG, we should. Kyle?

There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & A= li=E2=80=99s use so far, but I, at least, would like to hear from others to= know whether the interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the= authors of that particular document?

Leslie.

On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:

Since we seem to be getting "support"= ; e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow, is it too early to ask if the working gr= oup will have its own repository for working group drafts?

Thanks,

Spencer

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:= 25 PM Matt Stock <mstock@llnw.com> wrote:
I support the adoption of= the draft.

Matt


On Tue, Jan 21, 202= 0 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> wrote:<= br>

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the = IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chimin= g in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on = as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list = here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your ob= jection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January= 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons = ...

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops= -taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops me= eting:
https://www.youtube.co= m/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and<= br> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to= co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.<= /p>

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular top= ics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and = I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.co= m/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, w= e maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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In the context to MOPS, if there is interest in leveraging that mechanism more generally it may help energize the BCP development. Thanks, Matt On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 12:27 PM Lucas Pardue wrote: > Hey Matt, > > On the topic of Alt-Svc, in the QUIC WG we have been using Alt-Svc for > HTTP/3 protocol switching and fallback. This has identified a few corner > cases and possible issues or concerns. I created a thread about this on t= he > HTTP WG mailing list [1] mainly framed on seeing if a BCP would make sens= e. > > Widening the discussion to include people is something I'm interested in. > > Cheers > Lucas > > [1] - > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2019OctDec/0184.html > > > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 17:02 Matt Stock, wrote: > >> Would there be interest in a discussion of specific delivery challenges >> and work that has been done/is in progress in other WGs that could help >> address them? As an example, many years back the Alt-Svc header [ >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838] was developed, and there seems to >> be some patchwork adoption across the ecosystem. In the context of live= or >> live linear delivery, it could be a useful tool for traffic shifting, an= d >> additional testing and engagement with implementers would be valuable. >> There may be similar topics around HTTP/3 or QUIC. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Leslie Daigle >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re planning to meet in= Vancouver at IETF 107. >>> We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key conflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99= re a potential >>> conflict for a lot of groups, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with= how things >>> work out in scheduling. >>> >>> The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are a couple more >>> areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the agenda, but = now >>> would be a great time to float any particular issues you think would me= rit >>> discussion time on the agenda, and let us know. >>> >>> We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video delivered wit= h >>> QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport and applicat= ion >>> handling of video in development? >>> >>> Leslie. >>> >>> DRAFT >>> >>> Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG >>> >>> IETF 107 (Vancouver) >>> >>> >>> DRAFT Agenda >>> >>> Intro >>> >>> Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, >>> [10min] chair(s) >>> >>> Review of concrete work items: >>> >>> [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming >>> media >>> Jake Holland >>> draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons >>> >>> Updates from elsewhere >>> >>> Updates from other work >>> [15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG >>> [5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE >>> [10min] 5G and video >>> >>> General discussion of issues >>> >>> Operational Issues Observed >>> Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain m= ulticast >>> for video >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Leslie Daigle >>> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >>> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >> >> >> -- >> [image: Limelight Networks] >> Matt Stock* Principal Architect* >> EXPERIENCE FIRST. >> +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> >> www.limelight.com >> [image: Facebook] [image: >> LinkedIn] [image: >> Twitter] >> >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > --=20 [image: Limelight Networks] Matt Stock* Principal Architect* EXPERIENCE FIRST. +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> www.limelight.com [image: Facebook] [image: LinkedIn] [image: Twitter] --000000000000818aae059d732193 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lucas,

Yes, I watched the thread wit= h interest and was going to follow up in Vancouver.=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 I spent= some time late December doing some investigation related to my use case an= d feel like I am in a somewhat better position to contribute.=C2=A0 In the = context to MOPS, if there is interest in leveraging that mechanism more gen= erally it may help energize the BCP development.

T= hanks,

Matt

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 12:27 PM = Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.= 24.7@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Matt,

<= div dir=3D"auto">On the topic of Alt-Svc, in the QUIC WG we have been using= Alt-Svc for HTTP/3 protocol switching and fallback. This has identified a = few corner cases and possible issues or concerns. I created a thread about = this on the HTTP WG mailing list [1] mainly framed on seeing if a BCP would= make sense.

Widening th= e discussion to include people is something I'm interested in.

Cheers
Lu= cas



<= /div>

On Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 17:02 Matt Stock, <mstock@llnw.com> wrote:
Would there be inte= rest in a discussion of specific delivery challenges and work that has been= done/is in progress in other WGs that could help address them?=C2=A0 As an= example, many years back the Alt-Svc header [https://tools.ietf.= org/html/rfc7838] was developed, and there seems to be some patchwork a= doption across the ecosystem.=C2=A0 In the context of live or live linear d= elivery, it could be a useful tool for traffic shifting, and additional tes= ting and engagement with implementers would be valuable.=C2=A0 There may be= similar topics around HTTP/3 or QUIC.

Matt

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thin= kingcat.com> wrote:

Hi,

As you=E2=80=99ll have seen =E2=80=94 we=E2=80=99re plannin= g to meet in Vancouver at IETF 107. We=E2=80=99ve tried to flag the key co= nflicts to avoid, but we=E2=80=99re a potential conflict for a lot of group= s, and we=E2=80=99ll have to be patient with how things work out in schedul= ing.

The draft agenda below is still a little light. There are = a couple more areas we are exploring for input, not yet reflected on the ag= enda, but now would be a great time to float any particular issues you thin= k would merit discussion time on the agenda, and let us know.

We had a good discussion about measuring latency of video d= elivered with QUIC last time. What other issues are lurking in transport a= nd application handling of video in development?

Leslie.

DRAFT

Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG

IETF 107 (Vancouver)
<Date =E2=80=94 TBD>
<Location =E2=80=94 TBD>
DRAFT Agenda

Intro

Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,
[10min] chair(s)

Review of concrete work items:

[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations fo= r streaming media
Jake Holland
draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy->draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons

Updates from elsewhere

Updates from other work
[15min] Sanjay Mishra - anything from SVA Open Caching WG
[5min] Glenn Deen -- anything further re SMPTE
[10min] 5G and video <TBC>

General discussion of issues

Operational Issues Observed
Multicast and video =E2=80=94 experiences from deploying inter domain multi= cast for video <TBC>
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Kyle? > > There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & Ali=E2=80=99s use s= o far, > but I, at least, would like to hear from others to know whether the > interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the authors of that > particular document? > I certainly am (I have a PR waiting for that particular document now, but I don't know why we would not want to use Github for other docs). I'd also note that Ali has at least a few issues in Jake's repository now, and I've been waiting to see if the repository would change upon adoption before adding issues of my own. Best, Spencer > Leslie. > > On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > > Since we seem to be getting "support" e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow, is > it too early to ask if the working group will have its own repository for > working group drafts? > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock wrote: > >> I support the adoption of the draft. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the IETF 106 MOP= S >>> meeting. >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chiming in with co= mments. >>> >>> We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on as a WG item= , >>> and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list here and n= ow. >>> >>> If anyone *objects* to adoption of the document ( >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please >>> share your objection now. >>> >>> If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January 31, 2020, w= e >>> will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons ... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Leslie. >>> >>> On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mops, >>> >>> I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy. >>> >>> I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops meeting: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340xT2jM >>> >>> I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and >>> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks. >>> I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but >>> I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's >>> confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when >>> you change names less often...) >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01 >>> >>> I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to co-author >>> this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome. >>> >>> I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular topics you'll be >>> working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points? >>> >>> Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and I'm >>> accepting pull requests :) : >>> https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ietf-mops-drafts >>> >>> Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, we maybe >>> should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> Jake >>> >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Leslie Daigle >>> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises >>> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com >>> -- >>> Mops mailing list >>> Mops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >>> >> >> >> -- >> [image: Limelight Networks] >> Matt Stock* Principal Architect* >> EXPERIENCE FIRST. >> +1 716 949 0332 <+1+716+949+0332> >> www.limelight.com >> [image: Facebook] [image: >> LinkedIn] [image: >> Twitter] >> >> -- >> Mops mailing list >> Mops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops >> > -- > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops > > -- > ------------------------------ > > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > --0000000000008ae61e059d739637 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Leslie,=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at = 11:34 AM Leslie Daigle <ldaig= le@thinkingcat.com> wrote:

That=E2=80=99s a fair question.

IMO, if people are generally interested in using GitHub for= docs in this WG, we should. Kyle?

There seems to be some leaning that way, given Jake & A= li=E2=80=99s use so far, but I, at least, would like to hear from others to= know whether the interest in using GitHub for documents extends beyond the= authors of that particular document?

I certainly am (I have a PR waiting for that particular document now, but= I don't know why we would not want to use Github for other docs).=C2= =A0

I'd also note that Ali has at least a few = issues in Jake's repository now, and I've been waiting to see if th= e repository would change upon adoption before adding issues of my own.

Best,

Spencer=C2=A0

Leslie.

On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:51, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:

Since we see= m to be getting "support" e-mail and the 31st is tomorrow, is it = too early to ask if the working group will have its own repository for work= ing group drafts?

Thanks,

Spenc= er

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:25 PM Matt Stock <mstock@llnw.com> wrote:
I support = the adoption of the draft.

Matt


On T= ue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:45 PM Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> wrote:
<= /div>

Thanks, Jake, for putting together the follow ups from the = IETF 106 MOPS meeting.

I=E2=80=99m happy to see others have already started chimin= g in with comments.

We had pretty strong consensus in the room to take this on = as a WG item, and I=E2=80=99m happy to formally follow that up on the list = here and now.

If anyone objects to adoption of the document (https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01), please share your objection now.

If there is no (unresolved) objection by the end of January= 31, 2020, we will adopt this document as draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons = ...

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 17 Jan 2020, at 17:26, Holland, Jake wrote:

Hi Mops,

I'm finally writing to follow up on draft-jholland-mops= -taxonomy.

I did a quick review of the video from the IETF 106 mops me= eting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4_k340x= T2jM

I captured the comments I heard in a new notes section and<= br> updated the draft to -01, plus a few very minor editing tweaks.
I was going to rename it to draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons, but
I thought I'd wait until after the adoption call, to make sure it's=
confirmed on-list. (I think the data tracker is easier to use when
you change names less often...)
https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-jholland-mops-taxonomy-01

I also wanted to say thanks to the folks who volunteered to= co-author
this draft. You 3 are BCC'd, and your contributions are very welcome.<= /p>

I also wanted to ask whether there's any particular top= ics you'll be
working on, so we don't get multiple people writing to the same points?=

Regardless, for the moment the current version is here and = I'm
accepting pull requests :) :
https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/ie= tf-mops-drafts

Assuming the adoption call starts soon and is successful, w= e maybe
should move to a WG-owned repo, but that's where it is for now.

Thanks and regards,
Jake

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