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MOPS at IETF 107 in Vancouver X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 18:13:30 -0000 --=_MailMate_D5BABAC5-4918-4E30-B89F-F7A3F042CB0F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We=E2=80=99re trying to keep a fix on whether or how productive a MOPS me= eting=20 we will have in person in Vancouver. We=E2=80=99ve already had challenge= s=20 filling agenda slots because of people who will be unable to travel. With the coronavirus concerns spanning the globe, I know that several=20 companies have various flavors of travel restrictions being imposed that=20 will impact their ability to travel. While the Secretariat can keep=20 track of who unregisters for the meeting, the harder segment to track is=20 people who are hoping they can be there, but haven=E2=80=99t yet gotten t= he=20 go-ahead, or expect travel restrictions may be imposed, or haven=E2=80=99= t yet=20 but may simply choose not to travel at this time. Could we therefore ask you to fill out the following doodle survey, to=20 indicate whether you are expecting to be there in person, expecting not=20 to be there in person, or something in between: https://www.doodle.com/poll/7zf4mwmh9qihwps3 And, if your situation changes over the next week or so, it would be=20 awesome if you could update your information on the survey (you can edit=20 an entry after completion). Thanks much, Leslie, co-chair MOPS. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_D5BABAC5-4918-4E30-B89F-F7A3F042CB0F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

We=E2=80=99re trying to keep a fix on whether or how prod= uctive a MOPS meeting we will have in person in Vancouver. We=E2=80=99ve= already had challenges filling agenda slots because of people who will b= e unable to travel.

With the coronavirus concerns spanning the globe, I know = that several companies have various flavors of travel restrictions being = imposed that will impact their ability to travel. While the Secretariat = can keep track of who unregisters for the meeting, the harder segment to = track is people who are hoping they can be there, but haven=E2=80=99t yet= gotten the go-ahead, or expect travel restrictions may be imposed, or ha= ven=E2=80=99t yet but may simply choose not to travel at this time.

Could we therefore ask you to fill out the following dood= le survey, to indicate whether you are expecting to be there in person, e= xpecting not to be there in person, or something in between:

https://www.doodle.com/poll/7zf4mwmh9qihwps3<= /p>

And, if your situation changes over the next week or so, = it would be awesome if you could update your information on the survey (y= ou can edit an entry after completion).

Thanks much,
Leslie, co-chair MOPS.

--

Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG IETF 107 (Vancouver) Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13h30-15h00 Regency D DRAFT Agenda Intro Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, [10min] chair(s) Review of concrete work items: [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming=20 media Jake Holland draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons Updates from elsewhere Updates from other work [15min] Sanjay Mishra (remote) - anything from SVA Open Caching WG [5min] Glenn Deen (remote) -- anything further re SMPTE General discussion of issues 5G and Video [15min] James Guichard =E2=80=94 APN and video Operational Issues Observed [15min] Jake Holland =E2=80=94 Experience making the world safe for=20 interdomain multicast Leslie. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_758CBB83-7971-4B41-9B2F-57A46949AF2E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

FYI =E2=80=94 here is the agenda for MOPS as we have it.<= /p>

Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG

IETF 107 (Vancouver)
Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13h30-15h00
Regency D

DRAFT Agenda

Intro

Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,
[10min] chair(s)

Review of concrete work items:

[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations = for streaming media
Jake Holland
draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons

Updates from elsewhere

Updates from other work
[15min] Sanjay Mishra (remote) - anything from SVA Open Caching WG
[5min] Glenn Deen (remote) -- anything further re SMPTE

General discussion of issues

5G and Video
[15min] James Guichard =E2=80=94 APN and video

Operational Issues Observed
[15min] Jake Holland =E2=80=94 Experience making the world safe for inter= domain multicast

Leslie.

--

Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

--=_MailMate_758CBB83-7971-4B41-9B2F-57A46949AF2E_=-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 16:25:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietf.org Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E980C3A093C; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:25:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mops@ietf.org Message-ID: <158379635789.5495.1698246324533976111@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:25:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-01.txt X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:25:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Fwd: IETF 107 Virtual Meeting Agenda X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:31:11 -0000 --=_MailMate_4A5AF224-05D1-4E98-9930-D01274557AF2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, As you=E2=80=99ll have seen already (and copied below), the agenda for th= e=20 virtual IETF meeting has been published, and MOPS is not on it. Kyle and I think it makes sense to plan a virtual interim, before IETF=20 108, to cover (minimally) updates to the WG=E2=80=99s document. With acknowledgement that it=E2=80=99s pretty hard to plan anything at th= is=20 point (!), do people have preferences for April or May for such an=20 interim (we can get to doodle polling for precise dates and times a=20 little later), and thoughts on which parts of the planned IETF 107 MOPS=20 agenda we should keep? Also copied below for reference. Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG IETF 107 (Vancouver) Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13h30-15h00 Regency D DRAFT Agenda Intro Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, [10min] chair(s) Review of concrete work items: [15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations for streaming=20 media Jake Holland draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons Updates from elsewhere Updates from other work [15min] Sanjay Mishra (remote) - anything from SVA Open Caching WG [5min] Glenn Deen (remote) -- anything further re SMPTE General discussion of issues 5G and Video [15min] James Guichard =E2=80=94 APN and video Operational Issues Observed [15min] Jake Holland =E2=80=94 Experience making the world safe for=20 interdomain multicast Best, Leslie. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: > From: The IESG > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 107all@ietf.org, irtf-announce@ietf.org > Subject: IETF 107 Virtual Meeting Agenda > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:34:54 -0700 > > We have created a virtual IETF 107 agenda because the in-person=20 > meeting was cancelled. This is a detailed email that explains our=20 > choices. Please read it to the end. > > We prioritized the scheduling of BOFs, working groups meeting for the=20 > first time, and dispatch-style working groups. Existing working groups=20 > should know how to progress their work via email and (virtual)=20 > interims, and many of them have a solid basis to do that with=20 > participants who have been collaborating together for a long time. But=20 > BOFs and new WGs do not have that established working mode and usually=20 > benefit from dedicated meeting time for bootstrapping purposes, as=20 > well as from a participant base drawn from all IETF areas. Similarly,=20 > dispatch-style groups are aiming to dispatch new work that otherwise=20 > has not seen much previous discussion. > > The virtual agenda is as follows, with all times listed in UTC: > > Monday, March 23 > 20:00-22:00 TXAUTH > 22:10-00:10 DISPATCH > > Tuesday, March 24 > 20:00-22:00 ADD, RAW > 22:10-00:10 MASQUE > > Wednesday, March 25 > 20:00-21:30 WPACK, DRIP > 21:40-22:40 GENDISPATCH > 22:50-00:30 Plenary > > Thursday, March 26 > 20:00-22:00 PRIVACYPASS > 22:10-00:10 RIPT > > Friday, March 27 > 20:00-22:00 SECDISPATCH > 22:10-00:10 WEBTRANS > > The total meeting block for WG and BOF sessions amounts to: > > Pacific Time 13:00-17:10 (17:30 on Weds) > Eastern Time 16:00-20:10 (20:30 on Weds) > Coordinated Universal Time 20:00-00:10 (00:30 on Weds) > Central European Time 21:00-01:10 (01:30 on Weds) > India Standard Time 01:30-05:40 (06:00 on Weds) > China Standard Time 04:00-08:10 (08:30 on Weds) > Australian Eastern Standard Time 07:00-11:10 (11:30 on Weds) > > We will be using Webex for all of these sessions. We will be posting=20 > training materials and online resources in an FAQ on the IETF web site=20 > next week for those who are unfamiliar with Webex. > > This agenda, with links to the Webex sessions, will appear in the=20 > datatracker shortly. If you plan to attend any of these sessions and=20 > you are not already registered for IETF 107, we encourage you to=20 > register as a remote participant=20 > . > > There will not be any other working group meetings, area meetings, or=20 > research group meetings scheduled between March 23 and March 27.=20 > HotRFC is cancelled. We are not providing virtual replacements for=20 > side meetings. The organizers of the Hackathon and the Code Sprint are=20 > working on virtual support for those events and they will communicate=20 > separately about those. > > We are aiming to provide a =E2=80=9Challway=E2=80=9D Webex meeting wher= e=20 > participants can go to test audio and other Webex features and to find=20 > others who are attending IETF 107 virtually. The=20 > hallway@jabber.ietf.org jabber room will also continue to be=20 > available. More information about these will be available on the FAQ=20 > page next week. > > There are many trade-offs involved in scheduling an all-virtual=20 > meeting. We will be pleased if the BOFs on the agenda are able to form=20 > WGs after this. But if not, the virtual BOF will not count as one=20 > attempt against the usual allotment of two attempts to form a WG,=20 > given the unusual circumstances. > > RFC 8713, which specifies the NomCom process, relies heavily on there=20 > being three meetings per year known as the first, second, and third=20 > meetings, respectively. We consider the virtual IETF 107 to be the=20 > first IETF meeting of 2020. We will be seating the new members of the=20 > 2020-2021 IESG, IAB, and IETF LLC Board at the virtual plenary. We are=20 > considering the implications of the cancelled Vancouver meeting for=20 > NomCom volunteer qualification specified in RFC 8713 Section 4.14 and=20 > we will be inviting community discussion about that soon. > > We chose to focus this agenda on the 4.5 hours between 20:00 UTC and=20 > 00:30 UTC. Because we anticipate having relatively few participants=20 > for the scheduled sessions located in the part of the world between=20 > Europe and China, this schedule aims to give the most participants an=20 > opportunity to experience =E2=80=9Cnight time=E2=80=9D -- albeit abbrev= iated --=20 > even if they wish to participate in the meeting multiple days in a=20 > row. We consulted with the chairs of the listed sessions when we were=20 > crafting this agenda to check if they thought that many of their=20 > expected participants would be disadvantaged by the slots chosen. They=20 > thought these slots were workable. > > We are preparing for an increased volume of virtual interim meetings=20 > in April and beyond. We will share more information about strategies=20 > for avoiding conflicts and ensuring fairness in scheduling of virtual=20 > interims next week. Until then, we would like to ask chairs to refrain=20 > from scheduling virtual interims. > > We understand that the agenda above is far from ideal. We know that=20 > some people reserved a whole week for IETF work and that week will now=20 > appear empty, and we know that working late into the night, working=20 > overnight, or getting up very early will be unpleasant or infeasible=20 > for some. We understand that when people join meetings from home,=20 > other commitments may interfere. We know there are many in our=20 > community with novel ideas about how to run virtual meetings, and=20 > these should be explored further. With the agenda above, we did the=20 > best we could given the rapidly changing conditions. We do not expect=20 > any of the decisions we made for this meeting to set a precedent for=20 > future meetings. > > It was very evident to the IESG in the course of developing this=20 > agenda that we lack consensus-based community recommendations about=20 > how to deal with the inherent difficulties of scheduling virtual=20 > meetings given time zone differences. After IETF 107, we will figure=20 > out the best way to work with those interested in the community on=20 > this topic, perhaps via the manycouches mailing list, GENDISPATCH, a=20 > BOF, or other ways. > > Feel free to send questions and comments to iesg@ietf.org. We may not=20 > be able to respond immediately since we are busier than usual at the=20 > moment as we prepare for the virtual meeting and the seating of the=20 > new IESG members. > > Regards, > The IESG > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce --=_MailMate_4A5AF224-05D1-4E98-9930-D01274557AF2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

As you=E2=80=99ll have seen already (and copied below), t= he agenda for the virtual IETF meeting has been published, and MOPS is no= t on it.

Kyle and I think it makes sense to plan a virtual interim= , before IETF 108, to cover (minimally) updates to the WG=E2=80=99s docum= ent.

With acknowledgement that it=E2=80=99s pretty hard to pla= n anything at this point (!), do people have preferences for April or May= for such an interim (we can get to doodle polling for precise dates and = times a little later), and thoughts on which parts of the planned IETF 10= 7 MOPS agenda we should keep? Also copied below for reference.

Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG

IETF 107 (Vancouver)
Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13h30-15h00
Regency D

DRAFT Agenda

Intro

Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,
[10min] chair(s)

Review of concrete work items:

[15min] Draft of edge network operational considerations = for streaming media
Jake Holland
draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons

Updates from elsewhere

Updates from other work
[15min] Sanjay Mishra (remote) - anything from SVA Open Caching WG
[5min] Glenn Deen (remote) -- anything further re SMPTE

General discussion of issues

5G and Video
[15min] James Guichard =E2=80=94 APN and video

Operational Issues Observed
[15min] Jake Holland =E2=80=94 Experience making the world safe for inter= domain multicast

Best,
Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

Forwarded message:

F= rom: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org, 107all@ietf.org, irtf-announce@ietf.org
Subject: IETF 107 Virtual Meeting Agenda
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:34:54 -0700

We have created a virtual IETF 107 agenda because the in-person meeting w= as cancelled. This is a detailed email that explains our choices. Please = read it to the end.

We prioritized the scheduling of BOFs, working groups meeting for the fir= st time, and dispatch-style working groups. Existing working groups shoul= d know how to progress their work via email and (virtual) interims, and m= any of them have a solid basis to do that with participants who have been= collaborating together for a long time. But BOFs and new WGs do not have= that established working mode and usually benefit from dedicated meeting= time for bootstrapping purposes, as well as from a participant base draw= n from all IETF areas. Similarly, dispatch-style groups are aiming to dis= patch new work that otherwise has not seen much previous discussion.

The virtual agenda is as follows, with all times listed in UTC:

Monday, March 23
20:00-22:00 TXAUTH
22:10-00:10 DISPATCH

Tuesday, March 24
20:00-22:00 ADD, RAW
22:10-00:10 MASQUE

Wednesday, March 25
20:00-21:30 WPACK, DRIP
21:40-22:40 GENDISPATCH
22:50-00:30 Plenary

Thursday, March 26
20:00-22:00 PRIVACYPASS
22:10-00:10 RIPT

Friday, March 27
20:00-22:00 SECDISPATCH
22:10-00:10 WEBTRANS

The total meeting block for WG and BOF sessions amounts to:

Pacific Time 13:00-17:10 (17:30 on Weds)
Eastern Time 16:00-20:10 (20:30 on Weds)
Coordinated Universal Time 20:00-00:10 (00:30 on Weds)
Central European Time 21:00-01:10 (01:30 on Weds)
India Standard Time 01:30-05:40 (06:00 on Weds)
China Standard Time 04:00-08:10 (08:30 on Weds)
Australian Eastern Standard Time 07:00-11:10 (11:30 on Weds)

We will be using Webex for all of these sessions. We will be posting trai= ning materials and online resources in an FAQ on the IETF web site next w= eek for those who are unfamiliar with Webex.

This agenda, with links to the Webex sessions, will appear in the datatra= cker shortly. If you plan to attend any of these sessions and you are not= already registered for IETF 107, we encourage you to register as a remot= e participant <https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/register/>= =2E

There will not be any other working group meetings, area meetings, or res= earch group meetings scheduled between March 23 and March 27. HotRFC is c= ancelled. We are not providing virtual replacements for side meetings. Th= e organizers of the Hackathon and the Code Sprint are working on virtual = support for those events and they will communicate separately about those= =2E

We are aiming to provide a =E2=80=9Challway=E2=80=9D Webex meeting where = participants can go to test audio and other Webex features and to find ot= hers who are attending IETF 107 virtually. The hallway@jabber.ietf.org ja= bber room will also continue to be available. More information about thes= e will be available on the FAQ page next week.

There are many trade-offs involved in scheduling an all-virtual meeting. = We will be pleased if the BOFs on the agenda are able to form WGs after t= his. But if not, the virtual BOF will not count as one attempt against th= e usual allotment of two attempts to form a WG, given the unusual circums= tances.

RFC 8713, which specifies the NomCom process, relies heavily on there bei= ng three meetings per year known as the first, second, and third meetings= , respectively. We consider the virtual IETF 107 to be the first IETF mee= ting of 2020. We will be seating the new members of the 2020-2021 IESG, I= AB, and IETF LLC Board at the virtual plenary. We are considering the imp= lications of the cancelled Vancouver meeting for NomCom volunteer qualifi= cation specified in RFC 8713 Section 4.14 and we will be inviting communi= ty discussion about that soon.

We chose to focus this agenda on the 4.5 hours between 20:00 UTC and 00:3= 0 UTC. Because we anticipate having relatively few participants for the s= cheduled sessions located in the part of the world between Europe and Chi= na, this schedule aims to give the most participants an opportunity to ex= perience =E2=80=9Cnight time=E2=80=9D -- albeit abbreviated -- even if th= ey wish to participate in the meeting multiple days in a row. We consulte= d with the chairs of the listed sessions when we were crafting this agend= a to check if they thought that many of their expected participants would= be disadvantaged by the slots chosen. They thought these slots were work= able.

We are preparing for an increased volume of virtual interim meetings in A= pril and beyond. We will share more information about strategies for avoi= ding conflicts and ensuring fairness in scheduling of virtual interims ne= xt week. Until then, we would like to ask chairs to refrain from scheduli= ng virtual interims.

We understand that the agenda above is far from ideal. We know that some = people reserved a whole week for IETF work and that week will now appear = empty, and we know that working late into the night, working overnight, o= r getting up very early will be unpleasant or infeasible for some. We und= erstand that when people join meetings from home, other commitments may i= nterfere. We know there are many in our community with novel ideas about = how to run virtual meetings, and these should be explored further. With t= he agenda above, we did the best we could given the rapidly changing cond= itions. We do not expect any of the decisions we made for this meeting to= set a precedent for future meetings.

It was very evident to the IESG in the course of developing this agenda t= hat we lack consensus-based community recommendations about how to deal w= ith the inherent difficulties of scheduling virtual meetings given time z= one differences. After IETF 107, we will figure out the best way to work = with those interested in the community on this topic, perhaps via the man= ycouches mailing list, GENDISPATCH, a BOF, or other ways.

Feel free to send questions and comments to iesg@ietf.org. We may not be = able to respond immediately since we are busier than usual at the moment = as we prepare for the virtual meeting and the seating of the new IESG mem= bers.

Regards,
The IESG

_______________________________________________
IETF-Announce mailing list
IETF-Announce@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce

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Those kinds of streams will drop in number. I = > believe we=E2=80=99re going to see a shift to many much smaller streams= , = > which by their nature will be somewhat less efficient. Quality will be = > somewhat lower. Live linear, and news channels in particular, will = > start to look like concert-type live events, with many people watching = > live press conferences to get their information. Adjusting those = > configurations proactively for higher scale and treating them like = > live event channels should be considered. Are there things we think MOPS should be looking at, long term, here? = Capturing information about implications for current operational = networks and standards? Leslie. -- = ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_6131966C-477A-4ADE-8797-2D058F41755A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some thoughts from the Streaming Video Alliance:

https://www.streamingvideoa= lliance.org/2020/03/16/forced-to-scale-advice-for-dealing-with-sudden-une= xpected-and-probably-consistent-demand/

E.g., from Matt Stock:

Matt Stock (Principal Architect, SMTS)

A lot of the live event capacity is structured around lar= ge events with many clients. Those kinds of streams will drop in number. = I believe we=E2=80=99re going to see a shift to many much smaller streams= , which by their nature will be somewhat less efficient. Quality will be = somewhat lower. Live linear, and news channels in particular, will start = to look like concert-type live events, with many people watching live pre= ss conferences to get their information. Adjusting those configurations p= roactively for higher scale and treating them like live event channels sh= ould be considered.

Are there things we think MOPS should be looking at, long= term, here? Capturing information about implications for current operat= ional networks and standards?

Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

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Those kinds of streams will drop in number. I believe we=E2= =80=99re > going to see a shift to many much smaller streams, which by their nature > will be somewhat less efficient. Quality will be somewhat lower. Live > linear, and news channels in particular, will start to look like > concert-type live events, with many people watching live press conference= s > to get their information. Adjusting those configurations proactively for > higher scale and treating them like live event channels should be > considered. > > Are there things we think MOPS should be looking at, long term, here? > Capturing information about implications for current operational networks > and standards? > Although we talked about it before CoViD-19 became A Thing, we did add section 2.5 to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-01#section-2.5= a while back, which talked about unpredictable usage profiles. ISTM that some of that's relevant, ISTM after looking at the SVA link you posted that the new section in the MOPS document is pretty focused on transport considerations, so taking a broader view might be helpful, and ISTM that one of the questions worth thinking about is whether there's an audience who would read a document with "Pandemic" in the title, so producing a document with that focus might be a community service. Thank you for bringing this up. However the chairs and working group might choose to structure the work, I'd definitely contribute. Best, Spencer --000000000000f9d1a305a112bed9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Leslie,=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at = 9:55 AM Leslie Daigle <ldaigl= e@thinkingcat.com> wrote:

Some thoughts from the Streaming Video Alliance:

https:/= /www.streamingvideoalliance.org/2020/03/16/forced-to-scale-advice-for-deali= ng-with-sudden-unexpected-and-probably-consistent-demand/

E.g., from Matt Stock:

Matt Stock (Principal Architect, SMTS)

A lot of the live event capacity is structured around large= events with many clients. Those kinds of streams will drop in number. I be= lieve we=E2=80=99re going to see a shift to many much smaller streams, whic= h by their nature will be somewhat less efficient. Quality will be somewhat= lower. Live linear, and news channels in particular, will start to look li= ke concert-type live events, with many people watching live press conferenc= es to get their information. Adjusting those configurations proactively for= higher scale and treating them like live event channels should be consider= ed.

Are there things we think MOPS should be looking at, long t= erm, here? Capturing information about implications for current operationa= l networks and standards?

Although w= e talked about it before CoViD-19 became A Thing, we did add section 2.5 to= =C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-op= cons-01#section-2.5=C2=A0a while back, which talked about unpredictable= usage profiles.

ISTM that some of that's rele= vant, ISTM after looking at the SVA link you posted that the new section in= the MOPS document is pretty focused on transport considerations, so taking= a broader view might be helpful, and ISTM that one of the questions worth = thinking about is whether there's an audience who would read a document= with "Pandemic" in the title, so producing a document with that = focus might be a community service.=C2=A0

Thank yo= u for bringing this up. However the chairs and working group might choose t= o structure the work, I'd definitely contribute.

Best,

Spencer
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At this moment, there are no other = interims scheduled [1] on that day. Please fill out the doodle below to = indicate what time would work for you, or if you absolutely cannot do = that day. (Note that I=E2=80=99ve blocked time in half hour chunks, but = we=E2=80=99re looking for a 90min meeting =E2=80=94 i.e., the best 3-cons= ecutive = will be chosen): https://doodle.com/poll/rct3vv58h2mctad7 If you absolutely can=E2=80=99t do April 15, please add that as a comment= in = the doodle poll. Proposed agenda: Media OPerationS (MOPS) WG April 2020 Virtual Interim Wednesday, April 15, 2020