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Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-IETF-mpls-rfc3107bis
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Working Group,

We have started to prepare the thedraft-IETF-mpls-rfc3107bis for wglc,
prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

This mail starts this IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-IETF-mplS-rfc3107bis?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on 
draft-IETF-mpls-rfc3107bis, the individual document it replaced or the 
RFC that will
be updated.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

/Loa
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Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64


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I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft.



On 4/3/2017 2:10 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> We have started to prepare the thedraft-IETF-mpls-rfc3107bis for wglc,
> prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.
>
> This mail starts this IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-IETF-mplS-rfc3107bis?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
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Working Groups,

This is to initiate a two week working group last call in four working
groups on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.

According to agreement when we decided to host this document in the
MPLS working group, this last call is also copied to the IDR and BESS
working groups.

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org),
if you are not subscribed to the mpls wg list, send to "your own"
working group mailing list, and we'll make sure they are posted to the
MPLS wg list.

There are no IPR disclosures against this document.

All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
to this document.

This working group last call ends April 20, 2017.


/Loa
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Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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Hi Daniele,

I am unable to play the recording of this meeting using the below link.  Is
this the correct link?

The recordings can be found at the following link
http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3D
IETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&chapter=3Dchapter_1

Regards,
Satish.


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Daniele Ceccarelli <
daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> thanks for the useful and productive meeting.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the slides in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes=
 (thanks
> to Andy for putting them together)
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp
>
>
>
> The recordings can be found at the following link
>
> http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3D
> IETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&chapter=3Dchapter_1
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Daniele & Nic
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniele Ceccarelli
> *Sent:* marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:10
> *To:* Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; pce@ietf.org;
> TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org;
> ccamp@ietf.org
> *Cc:* Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@
> ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
> *Subject:* RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6and the agenda
>
>
>
> >> The agenda will be:
>
> >>
>
> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng
>
> >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain
>
> >> 3. FlexE in the IETF:            Mach Chen
>
> >> 4. Open Mic
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org>] *O=
n
> Behalf Of *Daniele Ceccarelli
> *Sent:* marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:00
> *To:* pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org;
> mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
> *Cc:* Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@
> ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
> *Subject:* [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:
>
>
>
> When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15
>
> Room: Zurich B
>
> Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/
> ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE
>
>
>
> BR
> Daniele, Nic, Loa
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Daniele,<br><br></div>I am unable to play the reco=
rding of this meeting using the below link.=C2=A0 Is this the correct link?=
<br><div><br><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The recordings can=
 be found at the following link</span></p>
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch=
.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3Dchapter_1" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/<wbr>Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3D<wbr>I=
ETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3D<wbr>chapter_1</a></span></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Regards,<br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra">Satish.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Daniele Ceccar=
elli <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" lang=3D"IT">
<div class=3D"m_4384056659013942765WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">thanks for the useful and produ=
ctive meeting.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the slide=
s in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks to Andy for putting them=
 together)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/<wbr>meeting/98/session/ccamp</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The recordings can be found at =
the following link<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://recs.conf.mee=
techo.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3Dch=
apter_1" target=3D"_blank">http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/<wbr>Playout/watch=
.jsp?recording=3D<wbr>IETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3D<wbr>chapter_1</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniele &amp; Nic<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Daniele Ceccarelli
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@eric=
sson.com" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.<wbr>com</a>&gt;; <=
a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pce@ietf.org</a>; TEAS WG =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt=
;; <a href=3D"mailto:routing-discussion@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">routing=
-discussion@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">cc=
amp@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ignas Bagdonas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ibagdona@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">ibagdona@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-izh-ccamp-f=
lexe-fwk@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@<wbr>ietf.or=
g</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de" target=3D"_blank">N.Leymann@=
telekom.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">=E2=80=A6and the agenda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; The agenda will be:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt;<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zhe=
ng<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=
ftekhar Hussain<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; 3. FlexE in the IETF:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mach Chen<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"m_4384056659013942765MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"=
>&gt;&gt; 4. Open Mic<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> CCAMP [<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounc=
es@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org</a><wbr>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:00<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pce@ietf.org</=
a>; TEAS WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@iet=
f.org</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:routing-discussion@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">routing-di=
scussion@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ccam=
p@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ignas Bagdonas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ibagdona@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">ibagdona@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dra=
ft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@<wbr>ietf.org</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de" target=3D"_blank">N.Leymann@telekom=
.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt">Hi everyone,<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">a =
reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Wh=
en: Tuesday 18:45-20:15<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Ro=
om: Zurich B<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Re=
mote participation - Meetecho:
<a href=3D"http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://www.meetecho.com/<wbr>ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">BR=
<br>
Daniele, Nic, Loa<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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The MPLS WG has placed draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl in state 
Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Loa Andersson)

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Comment:
MPLS-RT reviews are in the pipe.


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A comment on the minutes:

2) starts:
"Haomian gave an introduction to FlexE's background and definition by IEEE
802.3 and OIF (this is an overview, see the slides for the details)."

IEEE 802.3 is not defining FlexE. Looking at the slides, they say about the
same thing: "=E2=80=A2 Data Plane recommendaton has been defined in IEEE 80=
2.3 and
OIF;"

Both statements are misleading implying that IEEE 802.3 is actively
involved in defining FlexE. IEEE 802.3 defines Ethernet physical layers
(which are standards, not recommendations). OIF is defining a modification
to a subset of those physical layers (a FlexE shim) to create FlexE.

Regards,
Pat

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli <
daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> thanks for the useful and productive meeting.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the slides in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes=
 (thanks
> to Andy for putting them together)
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp
>
>
>
> The recordings can be found at the following link
>
> http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3D
> IETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&chapter=3Dchapter_1
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Daniele & Nic
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniele Ceccarelli
> *Sent:* marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:10
> *To:* Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; pce@ietf.org;
> TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org;
> ccamp@ietf.org
> *Cc:* Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@
> ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
> *Subject:* RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6and the agenda
>
>
>
> >> The agenda will be:
>
> >>
>
> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng
>
> >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain
>
> >> 3. FlexE in the IETF:            Mach Chen
>
> >> 4. Open Mic
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org>] *O=
n
> Behalf Of *Daniele Ceccarelli
> *Sent:* marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:00
> *To:* pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org;
> mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
> *Cc:* Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@
> ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
> *Subject:* [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:
>
>
>
> When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15
>
> Room: Zurich B
>
> Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/
> ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE
>
>
>
> BR
> Daniele, Nic, Loa
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A comment on the minutes:=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>2) star=
ts:<br><div>&quot;Haomian gave an introduction to FlexE&#39;s background an=
d definition by IEEE 802.3 and OIF (this is an overview, see the slides for=
 the details).&quot;<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>IEEE 802.3 is not d=
efining FlexE. Looking at the slides, they say about the same thing: &quot;=
=E2=80=A2 Data Plane recommendaton has been defined in IEEE 802.3 and OIF;&=
quot;=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Both statements are misleading implyin=
g that IEEE 802.3 is actively involved in defining FlexE. IEEE 802.3 define=
s Ethernet physical layers (which are standards, not recommendations). OIF =
is defining a modification to a subset of those physical layers (a FlexE sh=
im) to create FlexE.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Pat<=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed=
, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">daniele.cecca=
relli@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"IT" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">thanks for the useful and produ=
ctive meeting.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the slide=
s in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks to Andy for putting them=
 together)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/<wbr>meeting/98/session/ccamp</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The recordings can be found at =
the following link<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://recs.conf.mee=
techo.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3Dch=
apter_1" target=3D"_blank">http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/<wbr>Playout/watch=
.jsp?recording=3D<wbr>IETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3D<wbr>chapter_1</a>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniele &amp; Nic<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Daniele Ceccarelli
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@eric=
sson.com" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.<wbr>com</a>&gt;; <=
a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pce@ietf.org</a>; TEAS WG =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt=
;; <a href=3D"mailto:routing-discussion@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">routing=
-discussion@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">cc=
amp@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ignas Bagdonas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ibagdona@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">ibagdona@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-izh-ccamp-f=
lexe-fwk@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@<wbr>ietf.or=
g</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de" target=3D"_blank">N.Leymann@=
telekom.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=E2=80=A6and the agenda<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; The agenda will be:<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt;<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zh=
eng<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
Iftekhar Hussain<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt;&gt; 3. FlexE in the IETF:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mach Chen<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"m_-1801331138271950938MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt=
">&gt;&gt; 4. Open Mic<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> CCAMP [<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounc=
es@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org</a><wbr>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> marted=C3=AC 28 marzo 2017 12:00<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pce@ietf.org</=
a>; TEAS WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@iet=
f.org</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:routing-discussion@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">routing-di=
scussion@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ccam=
p@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ignas Bagdonas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ibagdona@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">ibagdona@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dra=
ft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@<wbr>ietf.org</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de" target=3D"_blank">N.Leymann@telekom=
.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt">Hi everyone,<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">a =
reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u=
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tp://www.meetecho.com/<wbr>ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE</a>
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On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 05:33 Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Groups,
>
> This is to initiate a two week working group last call in four working
> groups on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.
>
> According to agreement when we decided to host this document in the
> MPLS working group, this last call is also copied to the IDR and BESS
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> to this document.
>
> This working group last call ends April 20, 2017.
>
>
> /Loa
> MPLS wg co-chairs
> --
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>
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<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 05:33 Loa A=
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This draft is very useful and IMHO is ready to be submitted for publication.

Cheers,
Andy


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<div dir=3D"ltr">This draft is very useful and IMHO is ready to be submitte=
d for publication.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tu=
e, Apr 4, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Loa Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
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kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">Working Groups,<br>
<br>
This is to initiate a two week working group last call in four working<br>
groups on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.<br>
<br>
According to agreement when we decided to host this document in the<br>
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working groups.<br>
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Nice job Eric!

I particularly like the way section 1 explains the reasons for the changes and
what has changed.

Thanks for the work. 

I support publication as an RFC.

Adrian

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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 8150

        Title:      MPLS Transport Profile Linear Protection MIB 
        Author:     S. Kingston Smiler, 
                    M. Venkatesan,
                    D. King, 
                    S. Aldrin,
                    J. Ryoo
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       April 2017
        Mailbox:    kingstonsmiler@gmail.com, 
                    venkat.mahalingams@gmail.com, 
                    daniel@olddog.co.uk,
                    aldrin.ietf@gmail.com, 
                    ryoo@etri.re.kr
        Pages:      48
        Characters: 86066
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-12.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8150

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8150

This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
for use with network management protocols.  In particular, it defines
objects for managing Multiprotocol Label Switching - Transport
Profile (MPLS-TP) linear protection.

This document is a product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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I support as well.

> On 4/19/17, 12:54 PM, "Idr on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" <idr-
> bounces@ietf.org on behalf of acee@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
>     Hi Loa, et al,
>=20
>     I support publication of this draft as a standards track document. It=
 is
>     well-written and handles previously unspecified details of single and
>     multiple label BGP advertisement.
>=20
>     Thanks,
>     Acee
>=20
>     On 4/4/17, 8:33 AM, "BESS on behalf of Loa Andersson"
>     <bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>=20
>     >Working Groups,
>     >
>     >This is to initiate a two week working group last call in four worki=
ng
>     >groups on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.
>     >
>     >According to agreement when we decided to host this document in the
>     >MPLS working group, this last call is also copied to the IDR and BES=
S
>     >working groups.
>     >
>     >Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org=
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>     >if you are not subscribed to the mpls wg list, send to "your own"
>     >working group mailing list, and we'll make sure they are posted to t=
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>     >MPLS wg list.
>     >
>     >There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>     >
>     >All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
>     >mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
>     >to this document.
>     >
>     >This working group last call ends April 20, 2017.
>     >
>     >
>     >/Loa
>     >MPLS wg co-chairs
>     >--
>     >
>     >
>     >Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>     >Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>     >Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC3031,
"Multiprotocol Label Switching Architecture".

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3031&eid=5002

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com>

Section: 3.8

Original Text
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   Liberal label retention mode allows for quicker adaptation to routing
   changes, but conservative label retention mode though requires an LSR
   to maintain many fewer labels.

Corrected Text
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   Liberal label retention mode allows for quicker adaptation to routing
   changes, while conservative label retention mode requires an LSR to
   maintain many fewer labels.

Notes
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Grammar error in original text, which may make it harder for some to read and understand.

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RFC3031 (draft-ietf-mpls-arch-06)
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Title               : Multiprotocol Label Switching Architecture
Publication Date    : January 2001
Author(s)           : E. Rosen, A. Viswanathan, R. Callon
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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Dear All,
the new draft is intended to define use of draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint over
MPLS p2mp LSP.
Appreciate your comments, qustions, and suggestions.

Regards,
Greg

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Name:           draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd
Revision:       00
Title:          BFD for Multipoint Networks over Point-to-Multi-Point MPLS
LSP
Document date:  2017-04-21
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          6
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-
bfd-00.txt
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Abstract:
   This document describes procedures for using Bidirectional Forwarding
   Detection (BFD) for multipoint networks to detect data plane failures
   in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) point-to-multipoint (p2mp)
   Label Switched Paths (LSPs).  It also describes applicability of out-
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,<div>the new draft is intended to define use of d=
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ents, qustions, and suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><di=
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>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:43 PM<br>Subject: New Version=
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lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;<b=
r><br><br><br>
A new version of I-D, draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd-00.<wbr>txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Directed Return Path
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Entropy label for SPRING tunnels
        Authors         : Sriganesh Kini
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                          Siva Sivabalan
                          Stephane Litkowski
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                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-05.txt
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	Date            : 2017-04-24

Abstract:
   Source routed tunnels with label stacking is a technique that can be
   leveraged to provide a method to steer a packet through a controlled
   set of segments.  This can be applied to the Multi Protocol Label
   Switching (MPLS) data plane.  Entropy label (EL) is a technique used
   in MPLS to improve load balancing.  This document examines and
   describes how ELs are to be applied to source routed tunnels with
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Hi all,

Here is a new revision of the draft about the use of Entropy Label with SPR=
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Hope it will fit the comments that have been received.

Let us know your feedback on this new revision.


Brgds,

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Entropy label for SPRING tunnels
        Authors         : Sriganesh Kini
                          Kireeti Kompella
                          Siva Sivabalan
                          Stephane Litkowski
                          Rob Shakir
                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-05.txt
	Pages           : 23
	Date            : 2017-04-24

Abstract:
   Source routed tunnels with label stacking is a technique that can be
   leveraged to provide a method to steer a packet through a controlled
   set of segments.  This can be applied to the Multi Protocol Label
   Switching (MPLS) data plane.  Entropy label (EL) is a technique used
   in MPLS to improve load balancing.  This document examines and
   describes how ELs are to be applied to source routed tunnels with
   label stacks.


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On 23/03/2017 15:14, lizho.jin wrote:
> Hi,
> I review this draft, and also the two related SFL draft. Overall, this 
> document is useful and technically sound. And I have some non-blocking 
> comments listed below. Regarding the adoption, I suggest to consider 
> adopting draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework-03 first, then this draft 
> which is highly relied on the concept of SFL.

I have read draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework, did a minor edit and 
uploaded it. draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework-04 is ready for a WG 
adoption call.

>
> Section 3
>    The data service packets of the flow being instrumented are grouped
>    into batches, and all the packets within a batch are marked with the
>    SFL [I-D.ietf-mpls-flow-ident]
> [Lizhong] more suitable to refer [draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework], 
> not [I-D.ietf-mpls-flow-ident]

[I-D.ietf-mpls-flow-ident] describes the requirements in a solution 
agnostic way. I think the reference is correct.

We then describe the problems and that takes us to the framework draft 
and hence to the solution.

So I think it's all OK.

>
> Section 4
>    Such a packet may not need to be carried over an SFL since the delay
>    over a particular LSP should be a function of the TC bits.
> [Lizhong] not understand here, adding SFL does not change the LSE and 
> TC, why not possible to carry over SFL?

This is considering the case where we are using SFL to do packet loss, 
and want to do a single measurement of delay. We should be able to do 
this just by sending an RFC6374 packet over the LSP. However there is a 
corner case where RFC3270 (label based) prioritization is being used. I 
think there is another issue with ECMP. I will reword the section to 
make it clear.

The section now says:

RFC6374 describes how to measure the packet delay by measuring the
transit time of an RFC6374 packet over an LSP.  Such a packet may not
need to be carried over an SFL since the delay over a particular LSP
should be a function of the TC bits.

However where SFLs are being used to monitor packet loss or where
label inferred scheduling is used {{RFC3270}} then
the SFL would be REQUIRED to ensure that the RFC6374 packet
which was being used as a proxy for a data service packet experienced
a representative delay. The format of an
RFC6374 packet carried over the LSP using an SFL is shown in {{RFC6374SFL}}.

The packet loss case is petty firm, we need to think about the RFC3270 
case, but
can do that post adoption.

> Section 7
> 7.  Multiple Packet Delay Characteristics
> [Lizhong] is it assumed here that all packets belong to one flow will 
> go through the same path? Some network equipment may not be the case. 
> E.g., case in RFC7424.

Normally we try quite hard to make sure the packets of a flow go over a 
single path, so that is a good assumption. If we are load balancing 
across a number of paths then The method still works, but the delays 
will be multi-modal. Some of the methods will show this better than others.

>
> Section 7.1
>    There will be a number of Interval/Number pairs depending on the
>    number of buckets being specified by the Querier.  If an RFC6374
>    message is being used to configure the buckets, the Responder MUST
>    respond with 0 packets in each bucket until it has been configured
>    for a full measurement period (i.e. it was configured at the time of
>    the last response message).  Out of band configuration is permitted
>    by this mode of operation.
> [Lizhong] need detail process of Query and Reponse. E.g., does the 
> query need "Number pkts in Bucket" field, and if not, please specify.

I have updated the text as follows:

There will be a number of Interval/Number pairs depending on the
number of buckets being specified by the Querier. If an RFC6374
message is being used to configure the buckets, (i.e. the responder
is creating or modifying the buckets according to the intervals  in
the Query message), then the Responder
MUST respond with 0 packets in each bucket until it has been
configured for a full measurement period. This indicates that it was 
configured
at the time of the last response message, and thus the response
is valid for the whole interval. As per the {{RFC6374}} convention
the Number of pkts in Bucket fields are included in the Query message 
and set
to zero.

Out of band configuration is permitted by this mode of operation.

Hopefully this sufficiently  clarifies the operation of the protocol.
>
> 7.3.1.  RFC6374 Multi-Packet Delay Measurement Message Format
> [Lizhong] this is only for Classic Standard Deviation, right? why it 
> is not section 7.2.1?
>

Fixed

> 7.4
>    This RFC6374 message is carried over an LSP in the way described in
>    [RFC6374] and over an LSP with an SFL as described in Section 9
> [Lizhong] what's the format of query message, will it include "Time of 
> First Packet", "Time of First Packet", and other fields?

I have added:

As is the convention with RFC6374, the Query message contains placeholders
for the Response message. The placeholders are sent as zero.


>
> 13.1.  Allocation of PW Associated Channel Type
>    As per the IANA considerations in [RFC5586], IANA is requested to
>    allocate the following Channel Type in the "PW Associated Channel
>    Type" registry:
>
>    Value  Description                    TLV Follows  Reference
>    -----  -----------------------------  -----------  ---------
>    TBD    Description MPLS Multi-Packet  No   This
>           Delay Measurement
> [Lizhong] there is other two message type need to be defined here. 
> E.g., Bucket Jitter Measurement Message Format, Average Delay 
> Measurement Message Format
>
Thanks for catching that I have added it

New version will uploaded when I have responded to all the review comments.

Thanks for the review

Stewart

>
> Regards
> Lizhong
>
> On 03/9/2017 11:09，Loa Andersson<loa@pi.nu> <mailto:loa@pi.nu> wrote：
>
>     Huub, Andy, Vishwas and Lizhong,
>
>     You have been selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for
>     draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl-03.
>
>     Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know
>
>     that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own
>     document.
>
>     Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it
>     useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks),
>
>     nd is the document technically sound?
>
>     We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be
>     considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this
>     point, but should be a good start). Please remember that it often is
>     easier to progress the document when it has become a working group
>     document. All comments in the MPLS-RT review needs to be addressed,
>     but please think carefully about whether a comment is gating the
>     adoption or could just as easily be addressed after the adoption.
>
>     Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG
>     secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments
>     may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.
>
>     If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what
>
>     needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and
>
>     what can wait until the document is a working group document and the
>     working group has the revision control.
>
>     Are you able to review this draft by March 23, 2017? Please respond
>     whether you are available to do the review in a timely fashion.
>
>
>     Thanks, Loa
>     (as MPLS WG co-chair)
>     -- 
>
>
>     Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>     Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>     Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
>


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/03/2017 15:14, lizho.jin wrote:<br>
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          <div><span>Hi,</span></div>
          <div><span>I review this draft, and also the two related SFL
              draft. Overall, this document is useful and technically
              sound. And I have some non-blocking comments listed below.
              Regarding the adoption, I suggest to consider adopting </span>draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework-03
            first, then this draft which is highly relied on the concept
            of SFL.</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I have read draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework, did a minor edit and
    uploaded it. draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework-04 is ready for a WG
    adoption call.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
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          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Section 3</div>
          <div>
            <div>   The data service packets of the flow being
              instrumented are grouped</div>
            <div>   into batches, and all the packets within a batch are
              marked with the</div>
            <div>   SFL [I-D.ietf-mpls-flow-ident]</div>
            <div>[Lizhong] more suitable to refer
              [draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework], not
              [I-D.ietf-mpls-flow-ident]</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    [I-D.ietf-mpls-flow-ident] describes the requirements in a solution
    agnostic way. I think the reference is correct. <br>
    <br>
    We then describe the problems and that takes us to the framework
    draft and hence to the solution.<br>
    <br>
    So I think it's all OK.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:20653DE4-B6BE-4915-AB22-0574891CD225@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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          </div>
          <div><span>Section 4</span></div>
          <div><span>
              <div>   Such a packet may not need to be carried over an
                SFL since the delay</div>
              <div>   over a particular LSP should be a function of the
                TC bits.</div>
              <div>[Lizhong] not understand here, adding SFL does not
                change the LSE and TC, why not possible to carry over
                SFL?</div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    This is considering the case where we are using SFL to do packet
    loss, and want to do a single measurement of delay. We should be
    able to do this just by sending an RFC6374 packet over the LSP.
    However there is a corner case where RFC3270 (label based)
    prioritization is being used. I think there is another issue with
    ECMP. I will reword the section to make it clear.<br>
    <br>
    The section now says:<br>
    <br>
    RFC6374 describes how to measure the packet delay by measuring the<br>
    transit time of an RFC6374 packet over an LSP.  Such a packet may
    not <br>
    need to be carried over an SFL since the delay over a particular LSP
    <br>
    should be a function of the TC bits. <br>
    <br>
    However where SFLs are being used to monitor packet loss or where<br>
    label inferred scheduling is used {{RFC3270}} then<br>
    the SFL would be REQUIRED to ensure that the RFC6374 packet<br>
    which was being used as a proxy for a data service packet
    experienced<br>
    a representative delay. The format of an<br>
    RFC6374 packet carried over the LSP using an SFL is shown in
    {{RFC6374SFL}}.<br>
    <br>
    The packet loss case is petty firm, we need to think about the
    RFC3270 case, but<br>
    can do that post adoption.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:20653DE4-B6BE-4915-AB22-0574891CD225@gmail.com"
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              <div> </div>
              <div>Section 7</div>
              <div>
                <div>7.  Multiple Packet Delay Characteristics</div>
                <div><span style="line-height: 1.5;">[Lizhong] is it
                    assumed here that all packets belong to one flow
                    will go through the same path? Some network
                    equipment may not be the case. E.g., case in
                    RFC7424.</span></div>
              </div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Normally we try quite hard to make sure the packets of a flow go
    over a single path, so that is a good assumption. If we are load
    balancing across a number of paths then The method still works, but
    the delays will be multi-modal. Some of the methods will show this
    better than others.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:20653DE4-B6BE-4915-AB22-0574891CD225@gmail.com"
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          <div><span>
              <div><span style="line-height: 1.5;"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div>Section 7.1</div>
              <div>
                <div>   There will be a number of Interval/Number pairs
                  depending on the</div>
                <div>   number of buckets being specified by the
                  Querier.  If an RFC6374</div>
                <div>   message is being used to configure the buckets,
                  the Responder MUST</div>
                <div>   respond with 0 packets in each bucket until it
                  has been configured</div>
                <div>   for a full measurement period (i.e. it was
                  configured at the time of</div>
                <div>   the last response message).  Out of band
                  configuration is permitted</div>
                <div>   by this mode of operation.</div>
                <div>[Lizhong] need detail process of Query and
                  Reponse. <span style="line-height: 1.5;">E.g., does
                    the query need "Number pkts in Bucket" field, and if
                    not, please specify.</span></div>
              </div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I have updated the text as follows:<br>
    <br>
    There will be a number of Interval/Number pairs depending on the<br>
    number of buckets being specified by the Querier. If an RFC6374<br>
    message is being used to configure the buckets, (i.e. the responder
    <br>
    is creating or modifying the buckets according to the intervals  in<br>
    the Query message), then the Responder<br>
    MUST respond with 0 packets in each bucket until it has been<br>
    configured for a full measurement period. This indicates that it was
    configured<br>
    at the time of the last response message, and thus the response<br>
    is valid for the whole interval. As per the {{RFC6374}} convention<br>
    the Number of pkts in Bucket fields are included in the Query
    message and set<br>
    to zero.<br>
    <br>
    Out of band configuration is permitted by this mode of operation.<br>
    <br>
    Hopefully this sufficiently  clarifies the operation of the
    protocol.<br>
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              <div>
                <div>7.3.1.  RFC6374 Multi-Packet Delay Measurement
                  Message Format</div>
                <div>[Lizhong] this is only for Classic Standard
                  Deviation, right? why it is not section 7.2.1?</div>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Fixed<br>
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              <div>7.4</div>
              <div>
                <div>   This RFC6374 message is carried over an LSP in
                  the way described in</div>
                <div>   [RFC6374] and over an LSP with an SFL as
                  described in Section 9</div>
                <div><span style="line-height: 1.5;">[Lizhong] what's
                    the format of query message, will it include "Time
                    of First Packet", "Time of First Packet", and other
                    fields?</span></div>
              </div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I have added:<br>
    <br>
    As is the convention with RFC6374, the Query message contains
    placeholders<br>
    for the Response message. The placeholders are sent as zero.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:20653DE4-B6BE-4915-AB22-0574891CD225@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div style="font-family:&quot;微软雅黑&quot;; font-size: 14px;
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              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>13.1.  Allocation of PW Associated Channel Type</div>
                <div><span style="line-height: 1.5;">   As per the IANA
                    considerations in [RFC5586], IANA is requested to</span></div>
                <div>   allocate the following Channel Type in the "PW
                  Associated Channel</div>
                <div>   Type" registry:</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>   Value  Description                    TLV
                  Follows  Reference</div>
                <div>   -----  -----------------------------
                   -----------  ---------</div>
                <div>   TBD    Description MPLS Multi-Packet  No        
                    This</div>
                <div>          Delay Measurement</div>
                <div>[Lizhong] there is other two message type need to
                  be defined here. E.g., <span style="line-height: 1.5;">Bucket
                    Jitter Measurement Message Format, </span><span
                    style="line-height: 1.5;">Average Delay Measurement
                    Message Format</span></div>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </span></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Thanks for catching that I have added it<br>
    <br>
    New version will uploaded when I have responded to all the review
    comments.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for the review<br>
    <br>
    Stewart<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:20653DE4-B6BE-4915-AB22-0574891CD225@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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                <div id="ntes-pcmail-signature-default"
                  style="font-size:14px; color:#000; text-decoration:
                  none;">Regards</div>
                <div id="ntes-pcmail-signature-default"
                  style="font-size:14px; color:#000; text-decoration:
                  none;">Lizhong</div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="J-reply"
style="background-color:#f2f2f2;color:black;padding-top:6px;padding-bottom:6px;border-radius:3px;-moz-border-radius:3px;-webkit-border-radius:3px;margin-top:45px;margin-bottom:20px;font-family:'微软雅黑';">
          <div
style="font-size:14px;line-height:1.5;word-break:break-all;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px">On
            <span class="mail-date">03/9/2017 11:09</span>，<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="mail-to"
              style="text-decoration:none;color:#2a97ff;"
              href="mailto:loa@pi.nu">Loa Andersson&lt;loa@pi.nu&gt;</a>
            wrote： </div>
        </div>
        <blockquote id="ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin: 0; padding: 0;
          font-size: 13px; font-family: '微软雅黑';">
          Huub, Andy, Vishwas and Lizhong,
          <br>
          <br>
          You have been selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for 
          <br>
          draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl-03.
          <br>
          <br>
Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know
          <br>
that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own
          <br>
          document.
          <br>
          <br>
Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it
          <br>
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), 
          <br>
          nd is the document technically sound?
          <br>
          <br>
We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be
          <br>
considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this
          <br>
point, but should be a good start). Please remember that it often is
          <br>
easier to progress the document when it has become a working group
          <br>
document. All comments in the MPLS-RT review needs to be addressed,
          <br>
but please think carefully about whether a comment is gating the
          <br>
adoption or could just as easily be addressed after the adoption.
          <br>
          <br>
Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG
          <br>
secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments
          <br>
          may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.
          <br>
          <br>
If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what
          <br>
needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and
          <br>
what can wait until the document is a working group document and the
          <br>
          working group has the revision control.
          <br>
          <br>
Are you able to review this draft by March 23, 2017? Please respond
          <br>
whether you are available to do the review in a timely fashion.
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          Thanks, Loa
          <br>
          (as MPLS WG co-chair)
          <br>
          -- 
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
Loa Andersson                        email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com">loa@mail01.huawei.com</a>
          <br>
          Senior MPLS Expert                          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>
          <br>
          Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <!--😀-->
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On 07/04/2017 13:29, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote:
> Authors,
>
> Scanning through this draft due to this email, a quick comment:
>
> It seems to me that both draft-ietf-mpls-flow-ident and RFC 6374 need to be Normative and not Informative references.

I misread what you said. This needs to be Stds Track - I have fixed that.

RFC6374 needs to be normative - fixed.

flow-ident is really a requirements spec so should be info, and that 
means it need to be an informative ref, which I think is OK.

Flow ident is more of a requirements draft, so I will follow the advice 
of the chairs and will update it (if needed) when I next refresh.

Thanks for taking a look at the draft.

Stewart
>
> Thanks,
>
> — Carlos.
>
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 3:33 AM, IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The MPLS WG has placed draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl in state
>> Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Loa Andersson)
>>
>> The document is available at
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl/
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : LDP Specification
        Authors         : Xia Chen
                          Loa Andersson
                          Nic Leymann
                          Ina Minei
                          Kamran Raza
	Filename        : draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-04.txt
	Pages           : 141
	Date            : 2017-04-26

Abstract:
   The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is
   described in RFC 3031.  A fundamental concept in MPLS is that two
   Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of the
   labels used to forward traffic between and through them.  This common
   understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, called a
   label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another of
   label bindings it has made.  This document defines a set of such
   procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by which LSRs
   distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally routed
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : RFC6374 Synonymous Flow Labels
        Authors         : Stewart Bryant
                          Mach Chen
                          Zhenbin Li
                          George Swallow
                          Siva Sivabalan
                          Gregory Mirsky
                          Giuseppe Fioccola
	Filename        : draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl-04.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2017-04-26

Abstract:
   This document describes a method of making RFC6374 performance
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   allows loss and delay measurements to be made on multi-point to point
   LSPs and allows the measurement of flows within an MPLS construct
   using RFC6374.


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Working Group,

The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that
the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.

The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll
parallel to the start of the adoption poll.

This mail starts the IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


/Loa
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Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64


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The MPLS WG has placed draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework in state 
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Hi Giuseppe, et.al,
perhaps this is question for TI patent attorney. Will point that the
reference to ietf-ippm-alt-mark is informational.

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Group,
>
> The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that
> the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.
>
> The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll
> parallel to the start of the adoption poll.
>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
> /Loa
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> --
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Giuseppe, <a href=3D"http://et.al">et.al</a>,<div>perha=
ps this is question for TI patent attorney. Will point that the reference t=
o i<a name=3D"ref-I-D.ietf-ippm-alt-mark" id=3D"gmail-ref-I-D.ietf-ippm-alt=
-mark" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">etf-ippm-alt-mark is informational.</a=
></div><div><a name=3D"ref-I-D.ietf-ippm-alt-mark" style=3D"font-size:13.33=
33px"><br></a></div><div><a name=3D"ref-I-D.ietf-ippm-alt-mark" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:13.3333px">Regards,</a></div><div><a name=3D"ref-I-D.ietf-ippm-alt-=
mark" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">Greg</a></div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Loa=
 Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_bl=
ank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Work=
ing Group,<br>
<br>
The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that<br>
the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.<br>
<br>
The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll<br>
parallel to the start of the adoption poll.<br>
<br>
This mail starts the IPR poll.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?<br>
<br>
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<br>
<br>
There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
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Hi Loa,
I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft other that already been
disclosed.

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Group,
>
> The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that
> the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.
>
> The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll
> parallel to the start of the adoption poll.
>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
> --
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>
> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Loa,<div>I&#39;m not aware of any IPR related to this d=
raft other that already been disclosed.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</=
div><div>Greg</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Loa Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Working Group,<br>
<br>
The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that<br>
the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.<br>
<br>
The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll<br>
parallel to the start of the adoption poll.<br>
<br>
This mail starts the IPR poll.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?<br>
<br>
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<br>
<br>
There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
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Giuseppe,

I can't give advice on validity of one IPR or another. If you have
knowledge about IPRs that you think are relevant for one IETF document
or another you have to disclose. The fact that it has been disclosed 
against another document is not relevant, a disclosure is necessary for
each document you think it applies to.

/Loa

On 2017-04-27 18:26, Fioccola Giuseppe wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm one of the co-authors of this draft.
>
> The IPR disclosure, already linked to this document, is the fundamental one.
> There are other IPRs belonging to the same topic: the alternate marking technology (owned by Telecom Italia).
>
> These are already declared on draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark, that is a reference for draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl.
> Our draft mentions draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark in some points and explains how to use the alternate marking technology, so all the IPRs should be inherited in addition to the IPR already declared.
>
> Do you think we should declare also the other IPRs on our draft or are these already inherited from draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Giuseppe
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Inviato: giovedì 27 aprile 2017 05:32
> A: mpls@ietf.org
> Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl@ietf.org
> Oggetto: IPR poll on draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl
>
> Working Group,
>
> The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.
>
> The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll parallel to the start of the adoption poll.
>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
>

-- 


Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64


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Authors and WG,

I have been selected as a pre-adoption MPLS Review Team reviewer for
draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework.

While not really necessary for WG adoption, I note that idnits runs clean.

The draft is short and straightforward. My only comment on the content is
that it may be useful to note that in some router implementations, the use
of a synonymous label may, depending on triggered action, force a packet
from an internal fast path to an internal slow path. In such cases, it may
be useful to limit the use of a synonymous label to a fraction of those on
a particular LSP or PW. However, as noted in section 4, this may lead to
ECMP interactions unless an Entropy Label is also used. It may also lead to
out-of-order packets on a PW.

Regardless of this comment, I feel that this draft is ready for WG
adoption, and does not need to be updated prior to adoption.

Cheers,
Andy

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Authors and WG,</div><div><br></div><div>I have been =
selected as a pre-adoption MPLS Review Team reviewer for draft-bryant-mpls-=
sfl-framework.</div><div><br></div><div>While not really necessary for WG a=
doption, I note that idnits runs clean.</div><div><br></div><div>The draft =
is short and straightforward. My only comment on the content is that it may=
 be useful to note that in some router implementations, the use of a synony=
mous label may, depending on triggered action, force a packet from an inter=
nal fast path to an internal slow path. In such cases, it may be useful to =
limit the use of a synonymous label to a fraction of those on a particular =
LSP or PW. However, as noted in section 4, this may lead to ECMP interactio=
ns unless an Entropy Label is also used. It may also lead to out-of-order p=
ackets on a PW.</div><div><br></div><div>Regardless of this comment, I feel=
 that this draft is ready for WG adoption, and does not need to be updated =
prior to adoption.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><di=
v><br></div></div>

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There is Cisco IPR declared against synonymous flow labels (see 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework)

This solution uses SFL, so I wrote to the Cisco Patent department on 9 
March this year requesting a disclosure against this draft. I understand 
that the matter is in hand.

Best regards

Stewart

On 27/04/2017 04:31, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> The author of draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl has told us that
> the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.
>
> The document been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll
> parallel to the start of the adoption poll.
>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> There is one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
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> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
> /Loa
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Title: Intent to initiate approval of MPLS-TP Recommendations
Submission Date: 2017-04-27
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1519/

From: Hiroshi Ota <hiroshi.ota@itu.int>
To: Nicolai Leymann <n.leymann@telekom.de>,Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>
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Purpose: For information

Body: ITU-T SG15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to initiate the approval process for the following documents related to MPLS-TP at the June 2017 plenary meeting of Study Group 15:

1. Draft Recommendation ITU-T G.8132/Y.1383 MPLS-TP Shared Ring Protection, provided that the IESG approves the related Internet-Draft prior to the SG15 closing plenary.
2. Draft Amendment 1 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8112/Y.1371 Interfaces for the MPLS transport profile layer network: Amendment 1 (08/2015)
3. Draft Amendment 1 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8121/Y.1381 Characteristics of MPLS-TP equipment functional blocks: Amendment 1 (04/2016)
4. Draft Amendment 1 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8121.2/Y.1381.2 Characteristics of MPLS-TP equipment functional blocks supporting ITU-T G.8113.2/Y.1372.2 OAM mechanisms: Amendment 1 (04/2016)
5. Draft Amendment 1 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8113.2/Y.1372.2 Operations, administration and maintenance mechanisms for MPLS-TP networks using the tools defined for MPLS: Amendment 1 (08/2015)
6. Draft Revision of Recommendation ITU-T G.8151/Y.1374 Management aspects of the MPLS-TP network element (01/2015)

The current drafts of all the documents referenced above are attached. We would appreciate any comments you may have on these documents.

The next meeting of ITU-T SG15 is in Geneva, Switzerland, 19-30 June 2017.
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Working Groups, authors,

This working group last call is closed. We have a some comments, can the 
authors please address those and make sure that the reviewers are
comfortable with how they been addressed. And continue to post a new
version of the draft.

/Loa

On 2017-04-04 20:33, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Groups,
>
> This is to initiate a two week working group last call in four working
> groups on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.
>
> According to agreement when we decided to host this document in the
> MPLS working group, this last call is also copied to the IDR and BESS
> working groups.
>
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> if you are not subscribed to the mpls wg list, send to "your own"
> working group mailing list, and we'll make sure they are posted to the
> MPLS wg list.
>
> There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
> All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
> to this document.
>
> This working group last call ends April 20, 2017.
>
>
> /Loa
> MPLS wg co-chairs

-- 


Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64


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The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG
(mpls) to consider the following document:
- 'Shared-Ring protection (MSRP) mechanism for ring topology'
  <draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection-05.txt> as Proposed
Standard

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Abstract


   This document describes requirements, architecture and solutions for
   MPLS-TP Shared Ring Protection (MSRP) in a ring topology for point-
   to-point (P2P) services.  The MSRP mechanism is described to meet the
   ring protection requirements as described in RFC 5654.  This document
   defines the Ring Protection Switch (RPS) Protocol that is used to
   coordinate the protection behavior of the nodes on MPLS ring.





The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2680/
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2681/
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2682/
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2683/






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Dear Siva Sivabalan, George Swallow, Mach Chen, Zhenbin Li, Stewart Bryant, Giuseppe Fioccola, Gregory Mirsky:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "RFC6374
Synonymous Flow Labels" (draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl) was submitted to
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of the IPR disclosure is "Telecom Italia SpA's Statement about IPR related
to draft-bryant-mpls-rfc6374-sfl"


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Loa,

The document is coherent and possibly useful.  The question of IPR
should be resolved before accepting this as a WG document.

Briefly:

  1.  The document proposes a change to forwarding.  Whenever a change
      in forwarding is considered, there should be a very substantial
      benefit and interoperability with older hardware should be
      considered in the document.

  2.  The document leaves open the question of dealing with ECMP in
      section 4.  The first option in section 4 is not viable.  The
      document should drop this and expand on the second "worthy of
      consideration" solution, explaining how it will work in the same
      level of detail as provided in 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3.

  3.  In the VPN example a perceived advantage of MP2P LSP is lost.
      With MP2P LSP, the number of application labels needed is the
      number of VPN IDs.  The number of labels needed becomes number
      of VPN IDs times the number in ingress.  If Section 3.3 is
      supposed to address this, then this is not clear and therefore
      could benefit by referring back to the example and stating that
      the SFL could indicate source only and the application label
      indicate VPN ID only.

More detail:

Forwarding of labeled packets currently involves some special
processing of labels 0-15 and some form of lookup in a table or TCAM
or other structure with the lookup resolving to a set of operations.
At mimimum these operation are SWAP and forward to an egress
optionally after considering ECMP (EL or rest of stack), POP and look
at next label (or assume IP payload if no next label).  Forwarding
hardware currently need not support a POP and look for IP payload.
That operation is only required of the IPv4 Explicit NULL Label and
IPv6 Explicit NULL Label.  Second, both Explicit NULL labels in
RFC3032 are required to be at the bottom of stack in RFC3032 with this
restriction removed in RFC4182 for proper operation of the pipe model
when not using an ordinary label POP at egress.

The changes to forwarding are:

  1.  Processing of an ordinary label (label not in the 0-15 range)
      must be able to POP and look at the IPv4 or IPv6 payload to
      conform to section 3.2 of this draft.  Currently this processing
      can be fixed to label values 0 and 2 respectively.

  2.  Processing of an ordinary label taking on the function of an
      explicit NULL and processing of an explicit NULL label must be
      capable of handling ELI and EL below the SFL or Explicit NULL
      and then take the same action as would be taken for Explicit
      NULL after the ELI and EL POP.  This would be needed to support
      pipe model as described in RFC4182 and not change the
      penultimate LSR to SWAP a lable for SFL or Explicit NULL and
      remove ELI and EL from underneath.

I'm assuming that SFL would not map to special labels other than
Explicit NULL but such a statement should be made explicit.  Although
if applied to RFC 6374 then SFL might also map to GAL.  If SFL can map
to other special labels, then those others from the set of 0-15
including mapping to ESPL should be mentioned.  Each time a new
special label is defined there are complaints about changing
forwarding.  If now any ordinary label can map to a specific set of
special labels, or worse to any special label, then this is a
substantial change in the definition of MPLS forwarding.

btw- In practice the IPv6 Explicit NULL is rarely if ever used but
instead POP of an ordinary label at BOS, label zero (IPv4 Explicit
NULL) at BOS, or lack of a label stack after PHP looks for the IP
version in the payload.  Does any RFC say to do this (combine the
meaning of IPv4 Explicit NULL and IPv6 Explicit NULL and look at IP
version in the payload) or is this just common practice for almost 20
years that escaped getting documented?

The second issue relates to ECMP.  Section 4.1 item 1 suggests that
"The operator can elect to always run with the SFL in place".  If the
value of SFL is different for data traffic and PM traffic, then the PM
would not take the same path.  This would put each "flow" in a
multipoint to point LSP (ie: LDP) on a separate path which for ECMP is
not an issue.

If the only purpose of the SFL was maintain separately counters for
specific multipoint to point LSP ingress then lack of SFL for other
ingress has no effect.  In this case the "solution" described in
Section 4.1 item 1 is a NOOP.

If the purpose is to also provide separate PM for specific (or all)
multipoint to point LSP ingress or provide separate counters for PM
for a point to point LSP, then the "solution" described in Section 4.1
item 1 fails.

Section 4.1 item 1 therefore needs to be removed.

The implications of Section 4.1 item 2 need to be better explored.
The section as-is constitutes a "punt" on the problem of ECMP with SFL
used for PM.  A diagram of each case in Section 3 with ELI and EL can
be added in Section 4 or the optional placement of ELI and EL.  The
behaviour when ELI and EL are present can then be described in Section
4 with penultimate LSR behaviour in addition to egress LSR behaviour
described for both PHP and non-PHP case.

Nits:

In "Abstract" the phrase "on the on the" should be "on the".

In Section 2 "defined to be a label" is awkward.

An alternate:

An alternate to the proposal here would be to make something like what
is in Section 3.3 the only case, but where a ESPL range is used.  This
would add egress processing without stepping on ECMP since SPL and
ESPL are excluded from ECMP according to RFC 7274.  An ESPL with a few
top bits always set and less than 20 bits of range could be considered
(for example XL + 1111xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for 16 bits of range and 1/16
of the ESPL space in RFC 7274).  This range would be defined such that
it is application specific, is added at ingress, completely ingnored
along the way and provides the some egress specific functionality.
Most implementations that support RFC 6790 are likely to also support
the prohibition on using ESPL for ECMP since the documents were in the
MPLS WG at about the same time, though publication of the latter
lagged about a year.  This alternative also solves any scalability
problem associated with combining source and application label
functionality into one label.  It does add two labels to the stack
depth but newer hardware should no longer be constrained to very
shallow stack depth.  This alternate also might be an even more
attractive option if IPR becomes an issue with the current proposal.

Summary:

well written document.  not a great design.  multiple problems as
defined.  possible IPR issue.

consider alternative.  any alternative but I provided one.  feel free
to use the idea.  :-)

Curtis


In message <5774d63c-6980-103e-0b3f-a277db822462@pi.nu>
Loa Andersson writes:
> 
> Huub, Andy, Curtis and Kamran,
>  
> You have been selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for 
> draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework-04
> .
>  
[ ...]

